Jin Xing Full Interview: ON THE "ENDLESS POWER OF AN ARTFUL SPIRIT"

[Music] Albert Einstein once said that all religions Arts and Sciences are branches of the same tree as today's technology and global risks race ahead of our understanding and stretch the boundaries of humanity we face unprecedented ethical conundrums I believe that reaching beyond the sciences and religion to that third branch the Arts offers essential insight into these challenges I call ethical decision making on the borders of humanity ethics on the edge we all Teeter on the edge how do we define a life well lived in a partly virtual world where do we look for moral guidelines and truth when curated selves befriend each other through algorithms how do we make conscionable decisions in the uncharted territory of civilian space travel designer genetics and artificial intelligence and what about the problems that are still on the ethical edge but shouldn't be such as inequality or racism please join me in conversation with some of the world's leading artists and arts world pioneers as we explore some of today's most challenging ethical questions through the lens of the visual and performing arts architecture and literature [Music] chin chin thank you so much for having me it is really an honor to be here and it's a particular treat to be in your dance studio in Shanghai this pleasure is mine last night I'm wondering if we can start with just an overview of your incredible journey because many watching this won't necessarily understand the context for your story yeah even if they've read about it and in particular can you talk about the beginning of your passion for dance and how is such a young child you had such commitment and talent to end up with one of the most coveted spots in the People's Liberation Army dance troupe it was extraordinary ok star was very young age I don't know as a young age I have no idea about a dance or even a performance form music and the traditional theater everything I always fascinating about the stage the stage I often tell people I said I choose to be standing on stage but the dance choose me I become a dancer so I always fasten you see the stage and all the curtains going open and all the lights on you whatever you're singing dancing crying whatever it was in our state and people the constant reason that make me feel very good and the important and the feel very well I like the tension I think for the young kid I didn't know that then dancing come up choose me become a dancer that time I thought if that time may be picking opera music choose me maybe I've become opera singer or musicians I don't know but things come up so I become a dancer and where the self-confidence come from so young to pursue the opportunity to join the military dance troupe and then just to continue on after that that takes an extraordinary amount of self-confidence that time I think if you're talking about today we'll use we're popular words everybody chasing their dreams okay that time I said okay I won't be on stage I very clear I wanna be but I didn't not behind it get on the stage how much sacrifice you have to you know okay I have no idea then I was very determined talked to my parent I said that's what I want of course my parents gave me very hard deal nine years old I wrote two letters one letter to my parents isn't completely my personal choices if I'm regretted one day I'm not blaming on my parents so they have no responsibility exactly my mother right down to this and one letter I read on to the military dance company I said it take me if you don't take me you'll be regretted Wow I don't know I just did that of course then my mom's okay go ahead actually after three years in the military dance training I was regretted Oh such a hard life I said I want to give up that time I'm only 12 13 years old I come back on talk to my mom I said can I come back I want to go back to school my mom say no you make your choices you stick to it if you like this you will make anything in your life it's too easy make choices if too hard give up no stick to it this life you belong to stage and dance then it's okay then I come back so she was right I think she was the first my role model still is she's really you know clear if you stick with your decision and take a responsibilities so we'll get into in a minute some of the more ethical decisions that individuals have to make today and that society has to make today yeah but in particular young people really they're so used to you know the apps the instant gratification the instant photographs etc do you think that there's a difference today in the ethos of young people in terms of their willingness to make a commitment and continue working through the hard times I've seen that this modern times as a young kid because they have too much overloading that information floating around and they have so many choices sometimes I have too many choices that I have no choice because they say I can do this I can do this everything is an opportunity but you don't see what opportunities face to you that's unclear earnest for the young people they are very active they are very that every minute every second they are brainstorming thicker they could be somebody but they don't they forget if you choose one stick to that work on it that's the young people missing today so easy to switch like the fingertips in that size I think that's a given and take opportunities so that's a I think a whole world particularly I don't see the Chinese kids everybody how I can put this words you can have a dream but don't become a dreamer right I'm three I have a full of a dream of fantasy but I'm working on chasing my dream but I'm not that kind a dreamer oh my god I don't get that no never happened like that so that's a big difference so even as a teenager I read that you managed to get yourself to New York with the scholarship and so tell me a little bit about the different places that you've lived and what you learned from that generally and in terms of ethos in terms of the cultures what struck you most in these different areas actually before the 17th I haven't no idea my life can get a contact with Western world I was a military educated military dancing you job halt your life even you are 12 13 years old the car from there already planning for your life until 50 years old you can see okay that's my role I go there if I don't make any mistake so always my fantasy one day I want to speak fluent English and presenting all over the world which might have my own dance company and maybe I'll set of China one day that's all a fantasy in the 15 years or the military tensor sitting the military compound looking for the sky counting the stars there's oh my god would be happen okay even never happen still beautiful dream and fantasy maybe next life I go and to be clear military was really military it was not just dance it was weapons it was military morning nine years old I have a military uniform I start receiving military salary my job is a tensor training as a dancer but all the discipline everything is the military even once a year I have to go to real military can I receive two months training that's what ten years old I know how to use all the machine guns I know how to put the bomb under the bridge you have training as a soldier because your job is a kind of warm start you go to friend cheer it up the soldier fighting for the country and you join the world so New York in Europe and these other places in your own dance your own dance troupe seemed a bit far off that's complete the front does never think about then one day after when I was 17 I received the national dance competition what's the best male dancer of the country then I got I saw the one advertising the first modern dance research class will be established in the Guangdong modern dance on the dance academy all the training by the American teacher and the what one person from this class choosen by the America get the scholarship go to New York to study then I looked up and I said that person is me the I began the self-confidence yeah and I want to come back to that because it's a combination of self confidence and courage and just before we do get some of the more broader ethical issues of society you know you decided that who you really are was a woman yeah very difficult time to do that in China very very how did you get this sense of I Know Who I am well I always thinking I'm the happy child even I've been just so difficult journey but my character always facing the passive side of life just like a day and night you can see the dark side you can see a bright side but we'd said you feel better I'll find a way when I was six years old I very clearly I said okay I should feel like my older sister but I know I born as a boy Dennis okay maybe that means something to me but I don't know maybe I'm not completely agree with that but I'm but I have take it so that I'm a star fantasy maybe one day I become a pretty woman that I want to have my own family I love fantasizing I love fairy tales but you make your fairy tales come true yeah there's a lot of grit and a lot of hard work between your first understanding that you have a dream or a fantasy as you put it and actually realizing it yeah realizing entertainer somehow I told the young people I said it I keep on fantasizing ibama not this year I'm 50 years old I'm still understand I keep sending the message into the air to the sky then after that I work on it concentrating to what I'm doing seriously pick my job so after everything then become a teenager that time I have self adult I said about my sexuality am i woman no you're still men are you category of a homosexual I said I will I don't know then I was doubting I said okay drop are doubting concentrate on your job as a dancer that I'm very clear in China homsexual transgender my car Tony must think about it only since you can do it to your pests in this dense field in the art field you'll be the top of that then people maybe pay attention to your artistic achievement let's carry your personal personal life I was a wrong I was thinking that but I was wrong then okay then I put all my attention to my dancing training I become top of the China then okay I got a chance get the scholarship of into New York after we into New York I said okay let's discover the world I was a fantasizing discovered a new world and reconstruct myself Who I am and from 19 years old until 28 take me nine years old nine years taken me nine years every day thinking miser who I am of course I'm not just wondering but same time I'm working hard discover the world North America Europe and everything Dennis okay at the end of the day I find myself get back myself and when you made the decision to have the surgery and you come out as a ballerina yeah and you were very well accepted it's extraordinary I mean from from what I read at the end of the day it took people all of five minutes because you have so much talent and you have so much conviction about who you are that time I think people appreciated you are artistic talent and same time awaits your decision personal decision they're hard to make any comment they just quiet I think the quiet I've already gave me a confidence they are waiting for I proved I proved I wasn't right so I think that that time I keep the society the time to be quiet to be silent then of course I I didn't go back in Europe actually if I go back here maybe my life much easier I stick in China and put up the first modern dance company Bay and developing modern dancing and later by later more and more people preciate okay she's she's still the chinjung what I we everybody expecting for so I think not more and more become people appreciate it yeah I'm people skill like me and love me whatever so it isn't just that you knew who you were and you became who you always knew you were it's that the public recognized you it is who you really were and the reason I'm asking the question is that there's a lot of discussion these days about authenticity yeah and we see it everywhere from Harvard Business Review saying how do you become the authentic CEO to more spiritual kinds of writings and then just in mainstream television especially in in the West and this idea of authenticity is something that you just embody you just are who you are and I'm wondering if that word resonates with you and I'm wondering if it's something that for you you describe it as as work you work toward authenticity but now at this stage of your life is it just natural for you or is it something that you're still working out to continue to find out who you really are I think the environment is not natural for me but of Who I am is natural the idea the attitude tuning through life the energy very authentic very changing and just like a word five years ago I published in one book that just the title said I don't want to change the world but I don't want to work change me either we make deal we cope together so that's my idea so I think the time will be explained everything I think it's people couldn't get the water why I think it's okay no problem I think people understanding me appreciated I also deeply prefer on my heart if you don't get it I understand I said don't worry next life no problem that kind of attitude I'm continue carry on I've become a more and more people attentions and it's okay start to get into the ideas so I'm hearing from you incredible courage but also non judgment and I'm wondering what other principles are important to you in terms of how you guide your life your decision-making how you try to educate your children what are what I would call the North Star the guiding principles that are most important to you yeah actually people knows me better actually maybe may are govision turning to the world very modern very open very free and according the family education we have the freedom but also have a highly value the traditional value moralities and respected for the olders this kind of traditional chinese culture still strongly in me and with my kids i think education IQ EQ whatever post needed developed but most people's and develop your own vision and personality if I'm the person acting so much a freedom for myself same time I give my kids our freedom to choice and also make a response take responsibilities so how would you describe traditional Chinese moral values in addition to respect for elders what else is at the core of traditional Chinese values because upon a Chinese culture I think I would learn the like in the Western whatever young people whatever in the in the business in the school whatever for the they are open the platform for the young people not age different that you'll have to show your opinion by in China is different if you have strong opinions you have to know who's the oldest what the people before you you give a certain respect then you show your opinions it's not like okay no it's our young generation it's almost gone the other extreme in the West especially in Silicon Valley in places where there's technology you know where there's in this adulation of young people yeah it's almost like you have to be twenty five in order to be respected yeah are there particular figures in Chinese history that you admire most for their ethical fortitude for their ethical stance oh I don't know I didn't particularly for sit facing a lot of role models but I think really just like I said before I'm a real role model is for me it's a the big influence it's my mother yeah the strong woman I often joking with my friend as if you don't know me you look my mother you know what where I'm come from determination you know the hard working ideas and then I said okay then I have a lot for me I choose my life up from the bottom again then I said eh you will have a right also you have no choice - looking people everybody in the equal position you want asking for the equal respect but you have to give the same same thing that's of give me ideas I treat people looking at even I'm nowhere become celebrity big celebrity China picks out whatever but for me my heart always the same and I know like you within my studio whatever how Fame I am I know the dancing dance is most authentic - or whatever my energy from life I never give up this I can give up my TV shows I gave up this give up in not my dance now my dance not my stage I also say the two young keepers that the stage never fire bend in nobody only you give up yourself so that's why even I don't dance that must stay stay I'm still on stage dancing sometimes but I still keep me as actress theatre please do that get on stage well I love what you're saying about people being all people and I've read a lot about your refusal to give in to labels and in particular LGBTQ yes and that really resonated with me because one of the things in my work on ethics is I try very hard to get people not to use though I use the word category yes this is because when you put people in categories most of the time especially with ethics you oversimplify and you don't give people a chance to really understand really who they are their perspective and so I really appreciated that can you talk a little bit about how you I mean I how you really sort of enforce in your own life this refusal to give into labels yeah because in Chinese cultural like LGB the group everything different sexuality definitely behaviors you are old cultural history we're always there we have it that it's nothing new for China but Chinese coaches everything we don't categorize and labor lines as lighter be naturally so that's the certain free to make your own choices and make people understanding to you know different peoples but not modern society especially times to open up and we got a lot of Western idea it like you said care and also label eyes you belong to certain group certain group certain group then you have to behave like this I said no I said why don't leave people open that's by myself people say why don't you too much more you should do much more work refer to the homosexuals not group and the but I said no I just be myself I'm hard-working standing there already mean a lot God said I don't need to label eyes myself so that's the interesting other side of the label which is that people start to hold you responsible for being part of what they consider a labeled groove ya know why aren't you doing more of this why aren't you doing more exactly 10-digit don't block me I have my freedom to be myself you don't need to put me in a certain area just I I only I'm speaking for this area I didn't know that's why even for me I'm very fortunate I said it because I have a meal 28 years male experience and not become a woman then ice pick as a gift perspective exactly I think I said you have the most respect opinion in this modern society don't standing on the genders at a gave a judgement judgement from male point of view of finger-pointing not standing from the human being point of view to say that that's the most powerful and authentic and how can the arts more generally I mean for you it's dance it's also other kinds of stage presence and your television shows and we'll talk about more of those in a minute but how did the arts help anchor us to humanity we are so technologically driven certainly China is a major leader in technology as is the US but we seem to be losing touch with our humanity how do you see the role of the Arts today in anchoring us in our humanity and in anchoring us in the importance of ethical decision making I think that the art especially performing art I think the last space the territory for human being still realize that hope no matter how the modern technology developed don't forget that you're still human being how the human being to understand each other to the art form listen to the music share the stage dancing theater then you're sitting there you're thinking hard life changing developing and even we're out of the theater we have a fool of a modern technology how the convenience to the modern life but don't forget the end of the day everything's to serve the people but who serve the people most ourself our mentality our still belong to each other now we are depending on the technologies technologies only making life either convenience but not take life away I think that's company wrong idea that's why I think white art from so important some people get the idea from the fine art whatever I think this is the last territory people tsuki respect looking at Dhamma in China I'm a highly even I can tell the truth people may be laughing at me I never do the internet shopping oh I don't do internet shopping either I never China sold popular but I'm the one I'm not against but it's not my thing when I call so shopping I need the called the supermarket I need to go to shop to buying a clothes I need to see the shoes Fred and I are kinda buying since through my fingertips I should know that's company of mine maybe I'm an old-fashioned but I think people say also unconvenient I think it that's the I did your tuning to let you take the effort to carry what he want that's a beauty part of life every sound the fingertips and you get things okay you not appreciate anymore well and you think about the choices you're making as opposed to click first and then just have it sort of show up but certainly in your art when you're resonating with an audience whether it's through dance or whether it's on your TV show and the one I was watching and my Chinese wasn't good enough to keep up with all of it but with some of it and you see people laughing it's really human-to-human yes and there's kind of a symbolic message when we go into a dance concert and we're told turn your cell phones off so I think that's also a very interesting way to say now we're gonna reconnect as human beings or we're going to interpret something for you are there other artists today whether Chinese or international who you feel really have taken a voice and really tried to hold up their art as a way to convey messages about some of the things going on in society today I see so many many artists it is an art form some writers some fine art painters and musicians doing ever their own way to get the connected and try to tell people who's the real world is but for me that's why I think young people there are so much technology in orientated but somehow they lost the real human eye to eye contact how to orally communication and this cans getting a little bit pitchy but but that's why I come to see it I said can you give yourself some time let your mind be free that's why I said take my dance back with a year with your eyes now it's your mobile phone as it doesn't mean anything if you'd see one dance in one movement touch your heart that I were standing for 30 years it's not just capture it's it's not like a tourism spot it's a theater I remember the moment when we Sarge anything do a particular thing exactly then for the talk show and I talk to the people people I think that's why I feel really deeply appreciated no matter hot modern technology developed people still on here the human voice of the real voice real thinking and they do want to see your guests come out and talk about their real lives exactly and all the celebrity I'm interviewing before all the talks interview their cars I'm okay you know whatever your previous in that discussion come to my talks all stars we're just sitting there start right away then this is so often it was so true cuz I think that's what people like my shells then I also I get that energy from the audience from the eye so I feel that we real communications and actually the physical space at least from what I was be able to able to see in watching the shows the physical space is quite small so your audience is actually quite close to you yes and I would imagine could see your facial expressions see your guests facial all the details yeah so it's it's really an experience for them it must be quite difficult to get tickets and this is very lively be kind of according to the broadcasting time for example we brought cutting about 30 minutes but that need I need an interview for one hour 20 minutes for the materials but so much interesting conversation and hilarious herbs and those are sensitive issues I cannot broadcasting but still that's a real life that's why one day if you ask me my dream my target or whatever I said if one day in China I can the talk show on life on Saturday not a pre-recording that big hit in China oh that would be fantastic I'm looking for that one day if they are happening now are you trying to make social commentary of any kind with your talk show or are you trying to provide a forum for others to make social commentary or is it more personal discussion sort of you to another guess I said the more powerful things that anybody is spending your individual opinion angle to speak out I don't want to put myself to become opinion leaders no in every mind I'd always think I just don't be myself if then naturally spread out the energy opinion it's not my you know I want the like that just need to be there like this that's why I think for me just like it would be the authentic person is very important for me you might talk to keep very intimate between two people that's enough in the naturally the influence doing other people's that's a good signature of things it's not my intention to it that sometimes I also joking on the media I said with uncle to the University go go to school study but a who who's real the educator for us its life its life is experience experience is that as best education education can get and even I just did I talk to my children you can read a lot of book but don't stick to the book and don't 100% believe in the book even the bocal wrote writen by the people so take reference and think about it and make a judgment reference that I think is very important to think exactly make is thinking people are thinking maybe I have a religion you have as its holding order in the Bible's but I think a book just give you a reference just make you thinking that's the most good things so speaking of experience what has been the most difficult ethical conundrum that you've had to face either personally or professionally was there a moment in life where you just really struggled to come to what you thought was the right decision I always learn a make decision it's not like a hundred percent a cleaner crystal clear yeah that's it no always I feel my heart feel right and you know I'm tense I'm very sensitive with my body muscles everything when I go the direction I feel good but actually in front unclear this is right destruction but I feel my body I think given the good energy then I go for it I I just think yes I correspond exactly physical response then I don't crack the arm if I think make these choices so what can the result I can I'm not that kind of calculated I said follow my heart if this decision wrong and feel failed then I still say okay I take the experience why I take the positive side in next decision I mean much more you know beware be clear so follow your heart this word easy to say but I think my physical tells me a lot have you ever made a decision sort of from an ethical standpoint where you said afterwards oh wow I really didn't do the right thing that really isn't Who I am can you give me an example for example when by 2006 I wa I established my own independent Dance Festival in Shanghai and where's the financial support no financial support then I put my my older house whatever only my property in China in Shanghai then I put in a banking for the market get more money to set up the festival and setting up this house and then you catch money I'm not that kind of financial person actually you're sitting the how the hospital gone on time then you get a complete trapped but this comes in earnest oh my god then I say okay next time I never had touched a realistic market I financially I'm not that kind of person so you better working hard performance more earning you money they use this money to support in your art that's my way I learned that I said it don't into people saying that you have big big celebrity no you have a lot of incomes maybe you invested see message I know I don't even best anything if I invest my art that's only I learned that that reflects that you were putting you were 100% putting everything into your art so you may have regretted the decision and I'm very sympathetic to not being financially savvy and not being savvy in the real estate market because I'm not either but I love that the reason for the decision was to support your art but automation is a run wrong you can support in your art about the wrong way and I said okay how I can earn more money to supporting my art you know the purely performing art is hard to you know survive in the country then I said okay let's enter the TV another performance another stage another stage for me become a charge become a toxic host whatever dinners I can okay so my work so my performance I earned the money supporting my tense performance study state performance I think that worked well then is okay then I'd also tell the young people a lot of young dancers it's tough oh my god I should be attentive one day I become a Gingin like a celebrity I didn't know that's different don't get the wrong idea we are definitely in a celebrity focused culture and there's a very big difference between saying I want to be a great painter or a great dancer or a great financier for that matter and saying I want to be a celebrity there's a lot of emphasis on being famous is that true in China as well China in the horrible period time we become a star Factory star Factory I love that term they selling the idea for young people you want to famous reach become a star quickly become a star they don't tell people how you're you know working and study become never know and that's why I always tell people in my eyes who's real actress who's star who's the celebrities this completive in the categories you can be a star but the donkey's of any man respect you become a celebrity working on your life do you use this term in China famous for being famous yeah yeah you know this idea that people are getting famous just because they have however many hits in their Instagram account or however many likes in their Facebook accounts and people who are doing absolutely nothing who have absolutely no talent and who are making no contribution whatsoever to society that's lucky for a lot of young people wrong idea they also say that she could not sing she's not back at the gorgeous right she's still the pop why why famous for famous and all behind is all kind of financial deals everything well no okay then I said I respect people I find the only way to survive fine but don't ask me why you ask my opinion I don't commit it you are the artist right you're not deserve that but you get that that's fine what's your lock point for me that I have a certain category okay I'd like to ask you about something that is rampant in the US and certainly in the news in the US and the UK now which is sexual harassment mmm so you probably saw a Harvey Weinstein story you know and all of these sort of entertainment industry stories about sexual harassment it's everywhere it's not just in the entertainment industry and we're seeing it now in politics there's discussion in Washington there's discussion in London around the Emmys and I'm wondering is that a big issue in China culturally you know in organizations whether it's an entertainment or or in corporations is that a big issue a we were in the world just don't bring up the media profuse media don't pour casting it you know the all the power games no matter America and China everywhere if you have a human being you have the circle this is sexual harassment between the male to female or female to male everywhere just people how the dealing with it that what the people are actually returning to it so what's the difference in the attitude in China toward sexual harassment and the attitude that you see in the West I think the woman's still got a lot of pressures because of the media everything stuff still that's why this reason I'm now I'm a playing this drama by just August Strindberg the father so much male torment don't don't mistake you know dominated a society I think China's feel like that of course Chinese women become a stronger with often talking about the equal equal it you know and there are a lot of very impressive Chinese women in business leadership in the arts leadership you know at women have a very impressive international profile but you're quite right also to point out that sexual harassment is also sometimes against men and we have a terrible record in the US military for example yeah of sexual assault and the statistics are terrible for men and the statistics are terrible you know women men victims and women we have like on the news there are some female politicians already take away from the position when they're on the position they have sexual they have a maybe 15 20 male lovers maybe that the harassment stay there I was shocked I said oh my god this female politicians he's been worse than the male that happens it's power yeah it's a power game and you had power position then if you you know you show me you're totally brilliant the Public Media's I use my power to denied it and this means everything that's power game I something special for financial side special for the show business you cannot deny this everywhere how do you deal with I think the end of the day comes the personal decision choices how do you facing it you committee you take it or you disagree I think complete personal choices and just to switch gears a little bit I was watching a little bit of a rehearsal happening here yeah which is just wonderful how do you choose your dancers it's such a privilege for them to be working with you I'm sure they learned so much I'm sure they're also put through the paces and they understand what the word work means exactly but how do you choose your dancers is it purely technical is it personality is it is there any component of character of ethics I think the personality and idea of dancing because so many things form there so many modern dance company there why you want to come to change intense theater dancing with me That's not me you're moti choices you know from both sides I don't get that one day audition I came for like two weeks you just come to take class you have the idea I want to come two weeks during the two weeks then I okay choose then I will talk so is it dance audition is there an interview also is there okay yep kinds of things do you ask them I said okay why what why you want to come this company what would you sing modern dance and witches style use your preference and I look into certain pieces keep in the opinion may be very simple naive doesn't matter but I want you all have I just I don't want to have my company that you just give me working with as a physical tool or more she no I wonder you have I deem the ideas very naive very simple but you have idea the idea can't rowing so it comes back to what you were saying about your children of you want people to think exactly want people to think for themselves that's a very difficult thing in a world where truth is under siege and I'm wondering if we could talk for a moment about that we have fake news we have all sorts of reports of Russia meddling in European and US elections we have all manner of distorted truth and it's spread on social media to hundreds of millions if not more instantaneously is true that topic in China is fake news a topic in China and and what is your thinking about the importance of this I think that's a fake news all you can manipulating it is everything back to the power to manipulating people what kind of thing you want I want people know I want you to say is complete the power game and that's why I think I cannot even with stop big Jack J and power games but I can at least educating my kids influence my dancers I'm like you know employees I said think about it if this thing so eat ice and areas in this world lasting oh that's absurd must be black and white like you facing an art piece don't think this is wrong or this is right you can only say I like this I don't like this that's why you're in whatever news coming up attend so oh my god like they gave a second thought don't immediately give your opinions let the time help you observing and digest a little bit then you feel that and follow your heart maybe people all people say this is wrong this cinema maybe you feel so maybe something I think a different way that's also fine I think that's thinking it's most important and don't rush don't rush into yourself into any other opinion you don't even have a clue about it and that may very well be the best weapon against untruth against fake news yes because if we just take everything instantaneously as true or if we don't bother to sort of stop and think about yeah you know what are the nuances here do I agree with it I saw something yesterday that would disprove this you know you know if we sort of abandon our responsibility to think we let weapons like fake truth then also you have to be aware Russia might be a very logical think about it all the news is may be from a human being point of the emotionally you have a lot of things Eve for something some Wickham and the further from the logical law point of view you need a clear why they happen like this one can start to make any collapse must be both side make a club then you think very clear then you you give your opinion clearly don't just become so emotional in this Center I'm a very logical person people say in this moment you are not like an artist you are very large I say yes I'm very clear that's why people like my talk show I have a passion to share feelings but I'm very clear with getting the opinions maybe the open sometimes are hard to digest but they're the truth yeah we've talked a little bit about your talk show we talked about your dating show mmm so the dating show one thing that was very fascinating from a Western perspective was to see parents invited yep and I've always thought that it would be very nice for my children to invite my opinions on their daily lives but can you talk about what your theory was about that dating show and and it was was the invitation to parents sort of a nod to Chinese traditional values and what else went into your thinking about how to do a dating show in the Western world like American Europe how to how the marriage mean to family maybe the young people that have their company the freedom to individual choices and the steak with a responsibilities by in China to young people can fall in love freely they like love bird but when they're talking about the marriage certainly family standing out it's become a true family issue even today China developing of open kind of after 30 years everything economy growth but the mentality of the marriage still much much more as a family business for example young people how you can ask a young people when they get married by a parent impossible but that that become a one wonderful deal if you the boy you have no apartment no house don't even think about marriage who going to help you you'll pair two young people get the kids who can help you to reach the kid all the young people going to work the parents so that's what parents have the power and tool say to know the woman the man you choose for your life this no to family getting together that's why I produced it is this a china dating shills like people see that even today the according to marriage how the mentality changing it are we are still in all the time all well start to learn how to dealing the new time new era or maybe there can be a bit mix of course because in America when you see advertisements for example for match websites where you can sort of find your perfect match even in the space of a 30-second television commercial they go from finding the perfect match and you see with the app yeah to marriage we instantaneously see people married here imagine sort of dating apps and all of that kind of thing if the families are gonna get involved as you say they can do whatever they want with their apps but at the end of the day if the families are gonna be involved I don't think that that's - I think that they can take it as a game that's why the Chinese people are very important I didn't know for the Western world also after dating Surrey years that they have to bring the girl see the parents if the parents do that's very difficult and I said that's a china dating shows inviting also a lot of not the chance we have these shows they just want the viewer have a pretend to it a lot of a set up have a script writing it then that this shows I want to be authentic maybe young people they want to look at appearance and be a cope with the script play but when you're inviting real parents coming it's very interesting to watch the real parents all different kinds of parents are fine there's no right way to be a good parents and people come from different perspectives people come from different upbringing and it's kind of a way of saying you know not you know different choices for different people it's kind of mixing the modern and the traditional and though some of the family the parents are super will educate it but according to marriage give most of the opinion that shows of this my goodness I think like some parents and you know their professor in the university and the blah blah and ask what kind of daughter-in-law you're looking for today I don't want to see you know smartest pretty okay and have five babies if a degree online on it I said are you just looking for the birth most deep machine over there it's just shocking sometimes what kind age couldn't get but one of the things that struck me on your dating show from westernized but somebody who's trying to understand the Chinese yes was that the parents were acting and reacting from a very authentic place and they were very different and I actually interpreted as a platform to showcase you know the different types of parents are all good that these are difficult decisions for everybody yeah but what is most what most shock to you in doing that show in terms of reaction of parents or even reaction of the participants we often say that oh the the the parents know they are chosen best oh I have come to young people so I have confidence I know my father I know my man no problem I said don't be so naive certain things you know but according to marriage no that's why four of the parents discover oh my god my son or my daughter have start to taste about their future partner and the kids have especially discovered parents act completely different opinion about the marriage doesn't have more you know better not just mutual understanding to this platform they are also for me too shocking just like said come to the point of marriage no matter your parents will educated all now you're from the peasant from the farmer doesn't matter the idea is so different I remember one parents father of the professor and mother was a successful businesswoman they asked a daughter-in-law only the condition is a pretty submissive and have a five babies in the future and the help has been to running the business so subservient submissive and from two highly educated parents I said really my god then I was like okay that's what you're looking for and I think how many girls waiting for typical condition so we really do see a mix on your platform of old and new and even some people for whom new is very good being a businesswoman very good but I want my son to have the old-fashioned way yeah yeah very interesting you mentioned earlier trust that people will go on your show and you'll be themselves will be authentic because they trust you yeah what do you think is happening to trust in society today and do you think that it has to the extent that it's suffering do you think it's suffering because basic principles that we talked about earlier of courage of commitment of integrity are failing we lost a lot of trust - between the peoples the society developing so fast and then our moral system you know more morality system a it's going down so quick for example I often see the news one older people falling on the street if young people helping them get up and all the people's communities showing the young people you make me fall down you have to pay me back and that's why this in child if some elderly people falling on the street nobody touch it because a physical brain and one of the core kids were the one there so the young people you have the response for the old people completely want people to people the trustee so really fit out that's almost horrible things sometimes we don't trust advertising we don't trust the product and everything so what do we do to rebuild trust what do we do to set ourselves back on the right path because that's a downward spiral that's I think as the society development should be slowed down a little bit and looking back what are we missing sitting the dinner table all the people gathering on the restaurant they still either we don't talk like this some words they're hard to spit out from the mouth and chew their you know fingertips talking to each other how sad it is then I said that's oh my god can you trust people if you don't talk about how we can dealing with the people we still be human being we are leaving the one universe but no you know earth but if you don't have the basic trust to people it's very sad settings and this is trust going to be rebuilt through individuals stopping the fingertip communication or is it going to be rebuilt through institutions of some sort whether it's governmental institutions or schools or you're both that both sides and there's always photos also promotional propaganda things and how to telling people the value this meant person to person men to men to talk that the communication was more important than just sending a message I think this is very important as we establish that and really build up that the people trust each other trust the society and society are counting on the people you know for the mutual sight it's very scary because it means that it paralyzes people exactly people don't do people don't want to do exactly if your society become such a business so be a soul you know alert and that's sad about that development always on the defense yeah yeah and people looking each other first if they are thinking they not have that kind of curious to know the new people stranger we always protect defense a very important point about curiosity it's because we've seem to have exchanged curiosity for fear yeah and fear is a very dangerous place and I wonder how much there isn't a link between the fake news and all of this fear that other things are fake that we can't trust we certainly have seen with the fake news kind of the demise of expertise and we'll say that you know climate change isn't real we'll say that experts don't know what they're talking about and so when you mention doctors no we don't even trust doctors who are credentialed who have experience I are visiting the missing trust and everything as a fake names everything one thing is that the hot is it of the trigger because when money everything some money leave it money and power exactly everything some money and empowered driven people make a fake use a fake product now that's a destroy the trustful society cause waivers and money is the most dangerous thing so just a couple more questions if I may on this question of technology whether it's used for online shopping whether it's used at the dinner table whether it's used to generate fake news what extent do you think that the big companies and I don't just mean Chinese something's but big companies probably responsibility to make sure that they do more to assure that their platforms are not misused whether it's for online bullying and whether it's for fake news do you think the companies are standing up as much as they should and do you think that we need to expect more from technology companies of cordage do much more isin don't just developing competing with the heart of how fast with developing technologies and the home of the responsible same time you share with a society take the responsibilities I think Chinese have a one word I don't know how to answer in English truly I would you know want them you come out something one day have to pay back easy you think it develop six but when they pay back to the individual family maybe one day you grandchildren to get it either meeting your spouse put it on the society there are lots of sensitive issues for all over the world and I said the young people have to learn we take modern technologies that the TWiT part of the convenience but have to learn them to keep everything a certain distance these tens created beauty about from the human beings relationship you maybe with the technologies everything need to keep the good this there are a lot of things about what you said that I think we're very important and they all come back to the importance of looking at individuals as human beings one is if you're running a big technology company think about when you see you know online sex trafficking online believe all sorts of fraud think about what would happen if it was one of your employees are one of your family members who is a victim so bring it back to the individual person but the other thing that I think I hear you saying is that as we use these technologies we as individuals need to take responsibility above and beyond the law as individuals but also the companies they're taking a lot they're earning a lot of profit yes they're getting a lot of celebrity yes and the law is never going to catch up with the technology and this is something that I've spoken a lot about so they need to proactively step up and not say oh well you know it's not illegal yes absolutely I think the institution and the system have to became clear idea we give your space of developing it the same time the other percentage you can develop divide it but you take this full responsibility that the influence the idea the direction you're guiding to people or even to people follow our steps everything take responsibilities and that's what I'll come back you individuals thinking and say you are part of the society and you have to pay back the respect and response to the society I think that's the healthy circulation absolutely and in into your comment about distance it's so important I think we all forget it we forget it as parents we forget it as educators yeah but if you I've often said to people for example in a university if you can't do it in a room face-to-face with someone you can't do it online exact so about online bullying but I think we I think sometimes the distance really gives people the idea that they're somehow protected that they can do this thing out there and it isn't really you know they're not bad people because it's kind of being done on this machine and you can see the fake news or the horrible news of spare elders for the internet or the world wherever everything this all the human being weak point everybody tried to find that the lucky part of themselves to spilling all the transformer you know sharing the horrible news then said oh I'm the lucky one or sometimes sometimes the chosen leader let people know that was horrible things happening for the human world but sometimes like a bully people just let people all that hi can see the wrong energy the bad energy and it fuels itself it becomes contagious exactly then I don't mean is oh okay sometimes we just covered up no but how are you looking at the things you know that you'll be worth as you don't need like sharing the wonderful news about bad I think no no that's completely wrong ideas yeah well we lose control I think once somebody sends these bad stories in motion or this fake news in motion it takes on a life of its own it gets spread and re spread and modified exactly but on the good side I mean I've looked at this Chinese app me too which is quite interesting well you basically a few swipes you can take away a few wrinkles you can take away a few pounds and then then you go send that on to you know you're dating site or to your social media page what do you think about this idea that we feel an increasing need to put out a positive to what this term curate ourselves so we're saying oh look at my life I've been on a beach this last week and I almost have celebrity status like you know ex person and look at my skin is perfect and what do you think about the idea that we have to curate and only put out some artificial either an artificial self or just the part of ourselves that we want people to see I think that's how I think it's a self entertainment okay to make yourself a happier whatever you'll find is a way to make yourself happier even though I have so many you know the negative side of whatever something happening they won't bring up cheer up the positive side of life I think there's good things where people make yourself happier and share something with a friend that's okay that's I think of they're very easy I think in a good way take it from the light exactly in light way why not you're fine enjoying it yeah but that's part of life but now order life about it so it doesn't take it easy part everybody have choosing their way to express but at the end come back the world we talk of so much time coming out the world I think whatever happening into life just a give aside and give a thought and think about it and mix make action and we could write action you know so what are you thinking about for yourself what's the next big fantasy I don't know I don't know I have a you ask me the question I'm not try the sinking curry of some say ideas i sedae well leave me next production and I didn't really I have no clue I just follow my heart I just follow my heart I think we're all gonna be looking forward to hearing when you know your heart tells you the next production the next idea the next thought it doesn't have to be a moment if people expect to not become a politicians I said really I was joking I said I never thought about that I become a politicians I say that never come to my mind but said all you already have up huge power on people influence I said that's my medication I mean I'm just like I'm a performer whatever stage there I'm ready to get on the stage whatever the curtains open I'm already to perform this I deliver the best performance I can that's why I think that's me it's not intentions on my must intercept ensure they get the power that's no I'm not enjoying that but I enjoy deliver to pass the performance I can do you enjoy that moment of lives exact same eunuch Asians for me it's communication most important connection exactly connection with people communicating with people and the sharing with people that's for me it's most important yeah well I'd like to end sort of where we began which is with this word courage I mean your childhood was rife with courage your teen years your 20s and then all the way through today where do you get this courage and you have advice for others about how to find courage for themselves find this self confidence that you have in in in all the best way it's sort of self confidence without arrogance I think that the passion for life all makers come from passion for level I don't know this life I born as a Chinese my mother gave me first a life as a boy second time I gave my birth again as a woman past year I'm a human being in this planet then I have to know cheering and sharing treasure this moment and the P+ love it cool or bet on dark or whatever everything's good and sharing that there's most beautiful things then I said give me whatever experience bring to your next life whatever I think why not there's so many spiritual right today who are writing about stay in the present you know Eckhart Tolle and there are a whole host of others particularly in the West and that's basically what you just described which is we don't have to have expectations and things are good or bad we just experience that's what I often see people that don't regret what is already over yesterday don't worry about it the day after tomorrow not coming yet enjoy the present and make a fool of colorful awful you know happy in this moment even the tears dropping today take the tears in a good side and next is another new day I think that's a pot that's of all my courage because I have a full of passion for life and even today I'm still having full of the curiosity things I don't know I want to discover it Evi pay some price I discover new things that's good part thank you so much again it's truly an honor and such a pleasure and in particular to be here in Shanghai with you I'm most grateful you welcome Lisa pleasure's mine Silas laughs that's a nice conversation with you yes [Music]

Channel: The Ethics Incubator

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Keywords: Jin Xing, China, Dance, Theatre, Ethics, Courage, Transgender, Labels, Moral, Truth, Technology, Responsibility, Military Dance Training, Dating, TV host, Shanghai Dance Festival

Id: RukIi34qbQ4

Length: 57min 52sec (3472 seconds)

Published: Mon Feb 19 2018