Jay Alvarrez: El Primer Influencer del Mundo

a lot of successful people in the world it comes from trauma a lot of amazing athletes musicians artists my trauma was yeah I dropped out of school at 12 years old and [Music] I always referred to you as the first influencer ever yeah so always made me challenge myself to want to go bigger and losing my mom at a young age it was like perfect mix of traumas that led to me somehow having success I don't want more friend I truly don't want more fame most the beautiful girls I know and most the successful and beautiful men I know they're not the happiest people they really are not you really are an influencer because you influence people you know I've been following you a lot and you've been a reference to me and inspiration as well my biggest passion and past my biggest dream is to have a daughter if you were a male and listen to Andrew Tate and you think this is going to help you get girls it will not you were one of the first to use social media platforms to create that sort of content what do you think is the the key of happiness I don't know for everything has [Music] [Applause] [Music] thank you this is our first podcast ever in English which is uh well we started two months ago so it didn't take long uh this is episode number 12 and we have a very very very special guest for us because we've known you for so long we have uh with us Jay Alvarez thanks for having me bro well it's a pleasure it's been a crazy ride to say the least I know I was trying to think when was the first day I I remember clearly meeting you I don't we're in Valencia and I was with your brother and mads and we walked up to the top at sushi place and I remember going upstairs and looking at you and you look like a Dawn and you're sitting at this table and like I don't know just the whole setting was funny but yeah that's exactly I remember was that the time you came to visit us to the office yeah that was in the same period and it was in the green um the green Lamborghini was there too yeah but we didn't meet before in La no I knew you before I met you before everyone else did in La I remember that trip I remember all that yeah but then I have memories when we were living together and like when you were in L.A all the time yeah that was that was the funniest face Good Times yeah I was thinking about the show I was thinking about it in uh on my way here that you and us we shared a very very special time in life because I mean you were growing in so many ways I was thinking exactly this yesterday I was like when I agreed to do the podcast I was thinking you somehow are also in like the same chapters I was like 2016 1718 was such a crazy era and such a crazy time like for me and social media you and your companies and how we got intertwined there and it was so funny it was amazing it was crazy I haven't met your brother before I met you yeah that's crazy isn't it we were working with uh Matt we were trying to help her with the decision career yeah and then the opportunity arised ah now I remember someone told me Jay it's in uh in Spain yeah or it was through mads I don't know through math I posted that was when I was filming like my third travel video yeah I I remember posting my story I was like oh is anybody um in Europe like have a connection to DJs because I wanted to film with the DJ or like on stage for an idea you know it all came from that yeah there's a there's a really good video from that right like is still online yeah all my old videos are online oh cool yeah yeah I wanted to touch that uh for a second because when I met you your whole Obsession was creating uh content but not content as we understand it today you were creating through like pieces of art like or at least that's how you yeah we're trying to do it it was crazy because it was more of like a process of just me wanting to have fun and travel the world and I was also like obsessed with photography and videography growing up and being at the right timing of social media just so many things lined up to make that work but yeah I don't know my my mindset nowadays is very different but I still love creating content yeah that's that's what I was thinking because I remember you probably remember this as well we were in Loma Linda in the in the house in Beverly Hills The Glass House The Glass House yeah and we were in the sofa and you were showing me um I think it was from Jordan I think you were or yeah I don't know if it was the actual footage that you got or it was ideas and you you were working on on another video but soon after that you kind of stopped doing it yeah so I did that first phase of travel videos and I don't know those were so successful and between Facebook YouTube Instagram it was hundreds and hundreds of millions of views and that's kind of what first put me on to like the map of social media and being known and then I went through a breakup with the girl who was in the videos Alexis and after that just my ideas of videos kind of changed a bit but also after that relationship I don't know my whole perspective changed and then also all of social media started doing similar content you know and when I saw everyone doing the same thing I kind of wanted to change direction because I was always trying to just go like do something that's different than the rest of the crowd and I don't know I never had like I still make videos here and there but I never had the motivation to go back in and do like a full series of like Vlog or travel or I don't know does my interests are always changing it's like one day it's this next day it's this and so yeah I never like I never dived fully back into it it is it somehow in your scope in the future to create content somehow I still want to create content and don't get me wrong I still do but it's more like personalized stuff or fun things for me but I don't know I was thinking about this last couple months now with the new AI stuff I don't even know what like content creators will be doing moving forward I mean I still think we have a lifespan of a while but things like this face the camera or like real conversation will probably be more of the future but all like the the AI is just creating better content than photographers now so that kind of scares me in a sense of I don't know what everyone's gonna do I want to dive in in because I want to to know your perspective into this um we had a conversation the other day with uh with another guy John that he did the podcast and I said that I believe personal Brands and Brands will matter more than ever and I compare it with a t-shirt t-shirts nowadays are very similar no matter what no matter if you spend a thousand dollars it gets to a point where like a 50 t-shirt it's the same quality same cotton same everything as a thousand dollar the only difference is the logo so when it comes to AI uh you can generate Amazing Music amazing content voices anything you want right so the only thing that will matter is that people want to listen to a Drake's song yeah no matter if it's generated by AI or not right right so what will have value in the future in my point of view is Drake's brand yeah but how are newer people going to establish themselves I think five ten years down the road it's like how are new artists gonna emerge is it just gonna be ghost producers or is it gonna be like like so that's that's the question and that's why I want to to see your your perspective on that uh because right now I don't know if you've seen this but on on Instagram there's there's accounts that they with AI training a model they create uh the face of a girl like they're doing it mostly with the girls right and they create an entire environment I've seen this girl that uh sees obviously rich like the environment is very rich and she's always like riding horses or like in very opulent [Music] yeah yeah one accounts went really vile recently that they somehow nailed the exact prompt writing for like mid-journey for that AI creating app and they're making insane images that were just like Vogue quality exactly yeah so so so that could be a person and that could be a personal brand of a girl a real one but you cannot see the difference like I'm sure that so many people saw those pictures and they thought that they were real so yeah for sure how do you find a way to sew your your brand to the world in this new era I don't know I personally think it's gonna be a big divide I think it's me such a large divide between people who are already established and then people who are unknown I don't know the the craziest one for me I saw that everything was the the track of Drake in the weekend wow the the Ghost Rider track remember it was called um Diva or something but I heard that for the first time I was like oh cool like a new track of Drake and I realized it was Ai and it's just it's so good and that's just now nothing two years later five years later ten years later I was talking one of the guys and they're saying they think that Spotify and all these things will use AI and just figure out what kind of music you like figure out your exact taste and start just making music to your mood to your feeling and that sounds crazy and far out but it's not that crazy if they're already curating playlists from artists that exist they're gonna start making music exactly to you imagine if you like techno if you like a mix of black coffee or I think like David Guetta it's just gonna make everything to you it's gonna make it perfect for you and that's for like the next level of social media and dopamine addiction is going to be or imagine if you like Drake but bunny on black coffee then there's a collab that they imagine a blend yeah to your taste I think that's why regulation is gonna play a key role as well as a verification and also when we're talking with Joanne we're talking about uh personal brand and building a big or in strong personal brand is going to be a key role in the future and I think that's gonna get a lot of value because everything's gonna be like kind of fake right I feel like a lot of people got famous really easily and really quickly in the last five years of social media because the algorithm of tick tock of YouTube and everything and that's cool that's great everyone gets opportunity but now it's gonna start narrowing things down so I think it'll be a lot challenging moving forward I want to go back a little bit because to me when I talk about you with anyone I always refer to you as the first influencer yes yeah I suppose so it's just it's because the attributions in my life how things happened perhaps luck and just timing you know I had the right idea at the right place with the the right past and timing of Instagram and Tumblr that made it work but the goal is never be an influencer honestly even like when I hear that name today like I don't recognize with it I like I feel like it's just like a job title that is like a part-time job that makes sense I I know you don't see yourself as an influencer per se because I mean it's it's a very wide description yeah it's a job title right but um to me observing from the outside how you deal with uh uh being an influencer and how you go through life I think you are beautifully dancing between the good and the bad the whole time meaning you take the things that are important for you from being an influencer and make your own life the way that you want and you don't get out of that line ever yeah it's like okay I'll do three campaigns with whichever brand that will allow me to do the travel that truly fulfill my dreams yeah maybe it's because I'm spoiled but I just feel like I really don't want to do what doesn't inspire me or doesn't motivate me and I mean I reflect and look back I could have done a lot of things different with my branding I could have done a lot of things different with my career path I could have done vlogging every day I could have gone and even pushed on acting or things like that but I know at the end of the day like none that truly touched me or fulfilled me like more important to me was just how my actual life happening was you know like my daily basis of how I feel what motivates me what's true to me you know you need x amount of money in life to be comfortable you need X my money in life to fuel your passions and your ideas but the difference of me of a few million to 10 million to 20 million at least subjectively isn't enough for me to want to change my identity and myself and ideas to please a mass media or please a big audience you know and I don't know I think ironically for how much I've used social media very few people know me besides like my inner group and people who have you know intrinsically experienced life next to me the last like six to ten years but as a follower as well because there there has been times that I haven't been with you right but I've been following you the whole time the way that you express yourself and the way that you touch different topics I think people like smart people can see that there's a lot behind the facade yeah no for sure for sure there's so many times that you truly dive really deep into subjects and you do it in a way that it's very unique kind of like going anti-system or what's established yes that's my problem I gotta stay uh I gotta say filtered sometimes in social media with Brands and stuff but I think I just grew up a bit readily if that's a word like I grew up a bit of a rebel in Hawaii and also I never fit in Hawaii I've probably never talked about this but where I come from is uh is Hawaii is America but you have to understand Hawaii's Polynesia it's part of the Polynesian Triangle of like Tahiti Samoa Tonga it's it's an island country you know and so I grew up with Polynesian culture I grew up around mostly um Pacific Islanders and it's not like growing up in La it's not like growing up in Florida or New York or something like that it's very much its own thing and so that had a large influence on me not fitting in with the rest of the crowd like when I came to actual Mainland America around 15 16 17 the way I spoke the way I thought it was just so different than everything around me and so a lot of what was considered normal I never fit into so it's always kind of the black sheep growing up and even in Hawaii I was never totally accepted because I wasn't you know I wasn't summer to everyone else around me yeah that's uh that's crazy I mean definitely that shaped the way that you think today like our environment growing up yeah it's key to Define how we react or see the world right everything too this is the traumas I had also you know everyone has trauma my trauma was in particular not fitting in at all where I growed up so it always made me challenge myself to want to go bigger to kind of show that I am enough you know and then losing my mom at a young age it was just it was like a perfect mix of traumas that led to me somehow having success and I was talking to my friend about this recently that a lot of successful people in the world it comes from trauma a lot of amazing athletes musicians artists it's because I feel like you never were good enough you challenge yourself so much harder you know it's like being like a small kid on like a basketball team and there's a few of them were like football who are just incredible you know because they're never like considered good enough when I started what about the success that you've got did you really look for it because the way I see it is that you just got it like naturally it's like it's like nothing was planned like that I've always had an idea yeah if I was an idea in life like what I wanted and how I like the things I wanted to do and feel but there was never a plan to get fame or to do 90 of things that got me here but you definitely embraced it for sure dude look at the end of the day like I came from Hawaii and I didn't have a whole lot of opportunity there it's like Hawaii the whole island is like living in a small town it's like growing up like a small village maybe outside I don't know Alicante yeah Valencia whatever I was so hungry and my parents and I will like have much money so I was just school system everything I just was so [ __ ] hungry to go out there and want to explore and live life and even like 10 years later I still have that feeling every day so I want to know a lot more about you today because I obviously don't talk to you as much as I used to do before like we had a phone call um like not long ago when I tried the weed for the first time I needed your advice and you were there for me yeah have you talked about that before uh yeah yeah I did uh briefly like yeah I said I I don't do drugs I don't I've never had alcohol in my life you still never had alcohol never no that's impressive that's that's interesting but at the same time I feel like in life you should experience everything to try it but also if it's worked this long I mean also [ __ ] it I've never seen you with a drink either should I go into like my story and experience actually I've talked about this a little bit on social media but not a whole lot so I I went most my childhood without drugs you know I tried smoking weed a few times alcohol a few times but I think growing up I've seen a lot of kids around me it wasn't the best example and I was always scared to like mess up like that and it wasn't until I was 20 where I tried um like the Ecstasy for the first time I can't believe I talk about this publicly whatever whatever it makes it better yeah that's okay and where was that where did you try it for the first time making us of course making us when I was like 20 years old and it was the funnest experience ever I'm sure anyone who's done it understands like how fun it is and yeah that like after that I had the confidence to want to try psychedelics and all these different things open my mind a bit I was like oh I was always scared of it but now I want to try it right and so I had like three years of um just trying all these different psychedelics I never personally was into hard drugs or anything like that I've never done cocaine I've never liked that kind of stuff I don't really drink or smoke cigarettes but I love the mushrooms I love the DMT and I still think your early 20s is quite young to do those things but it did teach me a lot but at the same time it was a bit of coping with trauma and it was also a huge distraction because like my early 20s I had so much potential and things moving but I also just wanted to go out and travel and live life and do my thing and the psychedelics were like this whole new thing to explore but anyway so about three years later I had combined mushrooms and something else but no smoking weed and I had like a bad trip from it and I never had a bad trip before I was always so confident so sure of myself and then something just clicked I was at a party and all of a sudden it felt like I was just actual projecting out of my body as woohoo crazy as that sounds I was like looking down myself at the party I was like wait where am I what am I and there's so much fear and panic filled myself and it was just for like two or three hours I was in a terrible State and when it was over it was just like like that was back to normal but for like the two three months after that I had this weird lingering feeling of like depersonalization of being like disconnected unsure everything just felt foreign like even my own thoughts my look in my hands the world around me was like you ever seen that movie The Truman Show yeah okay well like he doesn't know but he's like on a big movie Step that's his life it felt like that for a little bit and it was the strangest feeling ever and that's actually what caused me to go sober and I look and in the moment it was the worst trip ever but I looked back and it was probably the best trip ever because it really realigned a lot of things in my life you know it made me sit there and reflect introspectively very hard on what I was doing and where I was and it helps me a lot actually so I've been four years sober as of last April from any psychedelics I've had a couple drinks along the way I've had a drink in like two years now but again I was never I never had a relationship with alcohol I never really cared about it you know but yeah so I understood that without deep personalization feeling was like so when you called me and saying you're freaking out and that feeling I knew exactly what you're dealing with I've actually walked through a lot of people through that experience now dude you don't know how helpful that conversation so that conversation was because I felt lost like I smoked weed for the first time and it was the strongest kind of weed that you can have and I had the whole thing like the whole joint yeah who are you with What's um I was with uh and Eric Eric oh my God Eric is so wild exactly I mean I remember being on FaceTime you're like dude I'm kind of freaking out Eric's like bro you're just high it's okay I'm like no Eric chill out you know but yeah I've had like I've had almost 10 people probably I've met who had that same experience or I've helped talk through because for those listening who don't know what it is it's like a new spectrum of feeling because imagine you're really sad and therefore when you're very sad the life around you everything feels kind of gray you're not you know you feel uncomfortable if someone cuts you off in the car you're like [ __ ] you you just have a bad mood but if you're very happy then you're like oh no it's okay you know you always you feel loved you want to help those around you this feeling of depersonalization is like everything's been flipped upside down and nothing is recognizable you don't even feel human you don't know if you're awake or dreaming this is a weird illusion and it's all thought based so I looked into this a lot when it happened to me and some call it psychosis some call it depersonalization but it's just a big disconnect and your body has a lot of fear and panic and it doesn't know what it's associated with because nothing's wrong but it feels like it's in danger and the only way to truly get out of it is just by reminding yourself with your conscious mind that you are you have to distract your thoughts from thinking about it because basically what happens is you get anxiety and then you get these uh attributions of the feeling of depersonalization which is your vision feels weird sounds feel kind of loud and Equity everything your vision feels foreign and the only way to get yourself normal is by slowing those those gaps of just like the fear of it it's the strangest thing it's a thought-based disorder for anyone who's curious to look at what that is up just Google depersonalization I don't know what it'd be called in Spanish but we'll translate it yeah no but definitely like for me was something very very new I never experienced that as a matter of fact the first few hours before I went to a hospital because I I had to go to a hospital like I I couldn't handle it myself um I felt like every 15 seconds life was resetting inside of my eyes it's insane the feeling I can't explain to anyone even to this day it's been four years since I felt it I try to explain that feeling and words can't touch upon it it's such a strange illusion and what's crazy is like for me when it was over it actually ended like a month and a half to two months later when I was in Ibiza in May 2019. I was here on vacation with the gorilla scene and I remember one morning I woke up and just everything felt settled again it was the weirdest feeling it's like this whole thing was lifted off me and I looked around with my hands and just it felt like I had came out of a trip after [ __ ] two months that's crazy anyone this thing that just sounds crazy but during the whole time I'm conscious I'm there no one can really tell on the outside that anything's wrong but your thoughts are just going crazy that really that did open a door to me about understanding mental health and understanding anxiety because before that I had more stress and anxiety but that was that was a huge wake-up call for me they said I want to talk about that because I'm uh I'm 35 years old and I think for the first 30 years of my life I didn't even know or think about anxiety as a thing like I didn't like never thought oh I feel anxious like never in my life and then all of a sudden when my life it's in the best moment I mean I I sold the company like I have no no Financial issues like I'm having a kid like everything is perfect like everyone around me it's fine I start having feelings that I never had before and I remember I was in Miami and I started having uh like a burning sensation in my back and I was like what's wrong with me like I I went to a doctor and I and I and I thought maybe I fell like one day I fell on the boat and I thought that I hit my back or something and something in my nerves like changed yeah and they couldn't find what it was and then I went went on with my life and it disappeared and then I it came back again but now I had the feeling as well on my arms and my face and everything and I started reading online that could be just anxiety right so I discovered this whole like mental health and anxiety thing very recently and up to this day like this few last months I'm discovering things about me that I thought that were like normal regular pains from other things that are just very very connected with my thoughts and my mind right totally so I see you always that you are very mindful of everything around you the moment how you feel I try my best I mean by no means am I [ __ ] perfect I definitely wake up day stressed out wake up days like [ __ ] [ __ ] life that kind of feeling but I'm very lucky that for me the biggest thing is realization and the fact that we're sitting here in a first world country with people you love people you're comfortable with in a business and a beautiful place the realization that your life is so beyond comfortable that sometimes you have to zoom out and to zoom out and see all the happenings of what's going on in the world and you've been blessed to be in this position is so beyond lucky and that always like brings my worries down the fact that you have a bed to sleep and that's comfortable you have people who love you you have good food phenomenal food in Spain this is like you get so zoomed in you think this is normal but this is beyond a blessing Beyond a blessing in every [ __ ] way but also I think like the new generation I don't know about how it is in Spain but the new generation has so much distraction and so much [ __ ] and we're involved in it you know we're here on social media everyone's listening to this on a on a smartphone now but uh no and that's why I want to talk about it because and I want to see your point of view on this I have more than 99.9 of the population on planet Earth in in a lot of different aspects right no not only monetary but like as you said I live in a great country like we have a roof like food on the table everything right we have family friends still I go on social media and I see something that I maybe wanted to be part of and I feel fomo or I feel I know you get fomo I remember the Hawkers party at Coachella you're like I had to be a part of it I I do I do feel it to this day and I'm always thinking if I am in this position how does a kid feel in his house when he's 16 17 18 and I mean the whole thing's a facade though like my friend told me this recently and I told him the same thing it's like sometimes I'll be like doing something I'm all happy where I am and I might see my friends on like a skydiving trip somewhere in like I don't know like Maldives I'm like oh my God I need to go there right now and it's like five grand and go there and pay for everything and it's just like it's in logical but my friend told me he's like I don't ever worry about none of that because the way I feel and my dopeness whatever I'm doing I think is the dopest and maybe that's I don't know how relatable is the rest of the world but like a lot of it's just a facade it's more fun than it looks like the majority of things on social media is it's so polished it's so it's made to look so perfect but I don't know even like after doing most my goals and dreams still my favorite thing is the simple things you know it took me I had to go get I had to get famous I had to do all the crazy things all the things you can imagine to really appreciate how good the present moment is just look at older people they got it figured out they just want to sit and just be and if their loved ones are round that's even all that matters in life you know that's true that'll be in the sunshine this and that but it's always that hunger there's always that once as a human to expand and it never goes away when you have 10 mil you want 20 million you have 50 million 100 Mil when you have a pretty girl you want another pretty girl when you have this physical item it's just like especially I think as a man it's just like your desire to always expand is always there it's just taking money yeah especially the money yeah the money is just like it never stops it's a number and this goes into Infinite yeah I think there are there are up and downs but but it's true maybe age has something to do with that because I've been feeling kind of the same you know I don't have the same feeling of responsibility but I used to have 10 years ago but right now I have that sense and that's really a weight right so um you were talking about what you were feeling in those trips and the kind of dopamine that you release I I feel that in all the activities and the jumps that you do of the plane you you release a lot of adrenaline right yeah how does that let's see skydiving it's for me it's been 10 years skydiving 15-year skateboarding a couple years slacklining but these extreme sports just became just normal for me believe it or not like when I get to Edge the plane and I look over and it's 3600 meters I don't feel any fear I just feel more alignment it's just more like a deep breath because in that one to two minutes I don't think I just entirely feel it's it's summer to getting high no matter what you argue drug uh Sports sex all the things you are you're getting so extremely present with the moment and skydiving just happens to be a way that's a healthier way to do it I mean healthy in the long term I don't know but like it's it's a special feeling for sure are you um addicted to any of that I I always have this argument I think everyone has addictive personalities I truly think everyone does because maybe my addiction is in cigarettes or alcohol my addiction is definitely freedom and being the sunshine and doing these Sports because every day I think about like wow I want to go fly when I look at this guy I want to go fly when I see the ocean I want to go surf it's just that I think there's a quote where it's like man feels the most anxiety and stress when he feels a duality between him and himself in life and so when I feel the most unity of life I feel the best I feel the most happy and surfing skydiving have been a very consistent thing that allows that happening every single time I think it's not an addiction I think it's more of a passion definitely the thing is that when it's related with something that is not that common the people calls it I don't know if the right word it's addiction right but not only adrenaline or dopamine or whatever it is um you've always had to have something around you and you say that the uh the sun sign the the skydiving the the sports uh woman you you have always had all those things around you constantly good food like it's it's your lifestyle that you created and it's very constant but I wonder if there's a line between that and somehow having an addition to any of that can you drop any of those things tomorrow yeah I think the beautiful thing about being a human is you're made to adapt you know I would hate to lose any of the beautiful attributions I have in life but no matter what I know I'd be fine you know I have a very close relationship with I always say God but for me God has a definition of just life in the universe so I always believe that life has my back and so you know I've lost great things I've lost amazing relationships girls I've lost amazing friends to sports and I don't know I always just put my trust back in life that it'll deliver back to me you know especially into God it must be difficult and uh I don't know how to what's the right angle for this right but for instance because of all your success how people see you from the outside your entire life put you in a in a position where you have an advantage in so many things yeah like people want to be friends with you I didn't see a lot when I was younger which is crazy and that led me into a lot of problems and issues with certain people as I'm getting older I figured out more but it's sometimes I feel guilty to even speak or to give advice or to give anything besides just my empirical knowledge because what I'm doing living isn't always relatable you know it's like I can relate to people on emotional and human level but sometimes the problems like again any of us have it might not be relatable to the mass there's definitely been a lot of people who've came to my life that I don't know I yeah that'll be a whole different subject but yeah it's a lot of weird twists in the life for sure the fam like I I see the beauty of all of it but I think I see a dark side as well like you mind that you have a group of good friends around you and they have their qualities and they have whoever they have in life but if you go travel the world for the next three months with them somehow you are probably going to get more attention than them even if you don't try just because of the position that you have in life how has that been an issue ever or have you ever thought man I wish I didn't have like all these situations I don't want more Fame which sounds crazy because I look at some people who are in the space they want to get more and more famous More Money More this I truly don't want more Fame I don't even know I don't know what level Fama be consider but it's like my generation knows me I think anyone that's between 18 to 30 that was on social media on this last five years probably seen my work I don't want more Fame for sure because there's a huge positive side to it where it's like you get free things people treat you a special way that's cool but there's a whole con you know it's like people around you for the wrong reasons a lot of people want your energy just want to be in your presence for their own personal gang which I can't blame people for but you get a bigger filtration system I sometimes look at like the big celebrities like Drake or like people like that how do they live their life like their Circle has to be so tight you know yeah it must be difficult like I've been with uh celebrities traveling with them and you cannot go out without having hundreds of remember the first time we came together to Ibiza Yeah by that time we we have already been with a lot of famous people but I remember going with YouTube beso together and all the people coming to you where was it the best peso informantera a restaurant ah okay to be honest like so much of the past I remember that time I do remember that you were ordering Carpaccio oh yeah but I think it was right at the moment where you started liking it a lot yeah yeah olive oil that was my vibe but um yeah I mean I can't lie honestly I've I've never in 10 years had someone come up to me and say something negative which is so crazy because like people write hey and people won't like you whatever that's part of life but everyone is always sweet I'll get full grown men who are like 20s 30s coming up and shaking like bro can I have a photo and it's I mean it's just it makes you feel good because like you positively impacted these people cool girls come up too and they're always so sweet so cute like I always get good energy like that but it's just like online there's no filtration people just want to hate people want to like let out their Steam on you and I guess having a Fame is just part of accepting that but I the these podcasts will never be and we don't want to to to be about dramas at all like I don't want to talk about that but to me I I know because I've experienced it with you um you see another side of people especially a woman right because you are very very attractive to them for so many reasons not only because you are attractive but like because of uh the image that you have and like the fame and and everything and you probably get DMS from girls that you see that they are in a relationship and you you see things very well from all my close friends yeah like my very close friends we always I mean you can't blame humans for being humans but social media definitely adds a twisted side to it and I mean I see it all the time that's why yeah I have in my close friends yeah yeah yeah I'm there so I I see it all the time I'm always thinking how many DMS is Jay getting every single day it's a lot of dams for sure what's more impressive is like I have some female friends who are very beautiful and very popular and looking at their DMS It's the funniest thing ever I was with my homegirl in Miami recently dude she had like Snoop Dogg in her DMS and it's just like the highest level celebrities they all slide in DMS it's so funny I I think Instagram is so interesting in particular because it's no one can kid themselves it's not like oh you're sharing photos it's your it's your social identity especially for the younger generation for like you know dates or like you know other gender other people like it's just that's how like when I hear someone I'm like okay I'm looking at their Instagram see what they're about who they are even if I meet someone in person like oh you have Instagram just because I want to see like oh maybe you can see where they studied where did they grow up it you know it's pros and cons we made it look normal but nowadays as you said like you can change your entire perspective on someone in a room just by seeing something different on their Instagram than what you see in person like if if we meet with a group of 20 people tonight and you don't have time to talk to them at all this is like 30 seconds each you will form an opinion on all of them that can drastically change the moment that you see their profile like you can see probably oh this girl she went to a great College like she has a great environment like maybe this is a right pit for me like RC oh she's posting these kind of pictures that and the funny thing is you can fake it all yeah 100 dude I gotta say 90 social media is a facade even like when I share stuff I share things with my heart was also for me it's also a brand but I'm always trying to share the best moments most beautiful looking things like the majority of my life I'm like I'm chilling I'm not I'm not on as you see social media you know like my social media has been traveling skydiving sports with friends great cool stuff but most of the time I'm just relaxing chilling you know like and uh what do you think that it's going to happen in the next decade or so with social media in the sense of now I believe more than ever that it will have a very fact in mental health this was an answer how is it in Spain because I get to understand America firsthand but I don't see how it's in Spain I know everyone's on their phone all day for sure but like uh I would say it's slightly different because the influencers in Spain are completely different than what you get in the US so the people that are really really really famous are very normal like they're not handsome they're not I mean some of them are but it's not like in the United States where like you get the American dream type of guy or girl yeah there it's more like the very normal guy from his house in a very normal environment that's cool though no it's great that's almost more relatable and real it's more beautiful so we don't get the uh Ferraris and Lamborghinis as much I would say 19 95 of the influencers yeah yeah don't have a car like they don't sell a car everybody has access to the content from the US as well but most of the content they consume is from Spain so I think it's kind of softer it's a great Point honestly because I never thought it like that I think in Spain overall he has a better impact than in the U.S because people in Spain will cancel you really fast or won't make you bigger if you are doing it with the wrong reasons right so if you take the top 10 uh YouTubers or streamers in Spain and you put them anywhere and I tell you find out who they are you can never say like they look like very normal they're not like specifically saved for anything so it's great now that you say it's great uh but still so what's your your take on Mental Health on uh social media oh my God it's so bad I don't like I'm not an expert I don't know anything besides my empirical knowledge and watching those around me but even me my screen time is so high I use my phone so much I guess it's what you use it for like I'm I'm pretty much on WhatsApp or YouTube most the time YouTube watching videos learning new stuff being entertained WhatsApp talking to friends and so on but I think the average individual who's either at school or working on my job just the way that the algorithm knows what you want to watch Tick Tock Instagram and just the scrolling method the going endlessly endlessly looking at whatever X Y and Z the level of comparison the level of stress that you obtain just by yeah having fomo like we talked about before or not feeling good enough like seeing girl a girl that might be more prettier than you're a boy more prettier than is so much [ __ ] and then you that's just one attribution so I mean this is like a like a spider web effect that you have this and then you have everyone who gets anxiety gets on you know a sort of pharmaceutical pill which in America is absolutely disgusting the way that it's arranged then you have that tied into the health care and the government just it's a giant business like any other thing it's some sort of corrupted business but I don't have an answer how it's gonna get better I see it I think it's gonna get worse before it gets better but I think we will always figure out a way like that adapts into like you know we will I don't know if it's a good way or a bad way but we'll figure out a way so we will survive but there will be damage yeah I see it you already see the damage yeah there should be more relocation as well imagine this this is an interesting uh way to look at it it's like so most of most most the beautiful girls I know and most the successful and beautiful men I know successful women they're not the happiest people they really are not because they have a lot of stress to keep like a lot of stress to keep up an image or an idea and then I have people who are close friends or even people I know that are working a normal job or they live in a normal lifestyle that accumulates stress that they're not at these people's level but these people are stressed out because they don't have the comfort and peace of mind so it's like whether you're at the top or bottom you're still accumulating a lot of stress you know it's just huge [ __ ] irony it's just everyone it's everyone has to get so in their head because the way the algorithm and all these things work you've been everywhere in the world you've seen the top and the bottom if you had to design and choose a life for you and you had to choose between being an extreme extremely rich individual in LA or someone that has a Financial Freedom and works in their passion every single day meaning like you're a photographer you do photography you mean you work with the art anything whatever it is you have to choose one or the other which one would you choose the one that has a journey for sure but the bad guy that's during photos has the journey that's the best because success is comfortable you get there you work your whole life to get to the idea of success whatever you think it is and you get better and you realize oh and then what an hour you know you're still here you're still the same person that's still the same conscious being inside you and the only destination in life truly is death if you zoom out enough it's like you can work your whole life for what you think is gonna be the best thing ever but really deaf is the final destination so it's so important at least for me subjectively how I spend my journey so back to that question for sure be the individual who has you know this is the photography career but also at the same time once you have the Comforts of money it's so hard to give that up knowing that you can take care of your family knowing that you can go and eat good food you can travel to where you want it's like it's like it's hard to give up those luxuries well mine that both have Financial Freedom one is Extreme wealth and the other one it's just like Financial Freedom Financial Freedom yeah yeah 100 right like absolutely I I thought so um it's uh have you ever been lost in your journey because when I when I think of all the years that we know each other um I think I've seen you lost a couple times for sure but maybe it was my perspective I mean dude for sure I I no matter how much success I gain or how much internal success or goals I achieve there's always going to be a next one the mountain always has a higher Peak and so I think it comes down more so to what is success to you subjectively what do you feel like is Success so some it may look lost but to others I don't know maybe the dream people write me all the time and be like oh when are you gonna do something next like you're doing nothing or people around me all the time like you live my dream life it's totally it's totally subjective to everyone so I don't know for me I definitely go on peers to gain loss sometimes I'll I'll wake up from a nap and I'm like oh my God I'm back in this life I feel lost I don't know what I'm doing you know but I think as you age and as biology plays a role there's certain things that ground you back into the just Human Experience you know like for example you having a kid and selling it down with one girl I've seen a lot of my close friends do that and that is the highest form of success in my opinion which is so crazy because it beats the most common thing but at the end of the day is like you can have all the success in the world you can have all the money have all these things and you lay in bed at night and how do you feel inside what makes you feel good do you lay next to the woman you love and like your son or your daughter like that's the most fulfilling thing ever because you were fulfilling the the the process of life you know you're fulfilling what the whole person of life is is in which to extend life itself but you know the the social media thing it's so good at manipulating people that even if we we've seen it from the inside right I was yesterday playing with my son and I was thinking oh my God I'm so happy like like I could be in this moment forever and be fulfilled for my entire life I know it sounds cliche no it's not but then that's real thing he goes to school right and I get back to my normal life and I have my ambitions and my things right and I always try to think I will give up everything on planet Earth but my son and my family and my wife that's it you win bro that's it I know but what I'm saying is like but then you see uh oh Jay is in Mykonos or living a vacation or someone else is just buying a new house or someone else is buying a new car and then that can trigger Stress and Anxiety because you want the same thing but if you go to the raw question of would you rather have your family and kid and wife or a new car new house new trip it's always going to be here you got to experience both to understand it I still don't know what it's like to have a kid yet but looking at you from you know when I met you you were in full send phase you know going to party did the [ __ ] that we were doing was so funny the parties the travels like you were in full sin and now you have a son it's like your whole life like it looks more balanced from the outside even though I don't get to be internally with you so much just talking to you it's like you I think you know you go out and Crush all those dreams and ideas you had when you're younger and you come back and then you now you have a family you have someone you love you've always talked about your mother to me you know back and forth and another way to talk about love and life it shows that you've you've you you come home you know I'm still in a sense waiting to come home because I've gone out and had this crazy life but I know the end goal is to have a family I know the end goal is to make my my father proud to make my mother proud to no no male is gonna like agree with me on this but my biggest passion and or past my biggest um dream is to have a daughter and it sounds funny because you know the boys you always like grew up like oh my God I want a daughter like how are you gonna deal with it but like because I lost my mom at such a young age I just I always wanted to have a girl that was permanent and I know I have a wife one day I know I have one girl who will be my everything but like I have a daughter that's like you're a human and that you can Unconditionally Love so much it's my biggest dream I can tell you that's the best feeling ever you have a daughter yeah yeah Alex I haven't seen you in so long I know what's going on here and a half years now yeah yeah you know I was reading an article the other day and just uh there was a question that really touched me yeah and it was about that it was like if you were about to die what what would you like to do the most and I did that exercise and the question was really simple it was spending the most of the time with my friends with my family with my daughter yeah so why don't you do it now you know that's a tricky thing I think because like I'm 27 I'm 28 in one month in July and um I still feel like I don't want to give up my freedom and I still want to live selfishly to an extent before I dedicate myself to that because I meet I meet a lot of girls along the way in my journey who have bad father figures who have dads who either one we're not around who didn't love them correctly or didn't know how to love him now the last one is the most interesting because when I have a girl I like or a girl I love or I'm interested in I'm always talking to her in a way is like I don't just ask how are you I ask how are you how is your heart how is your mind how is your soul how do all these things feel you know like open up to me motion let me understand and but just also feel you and I feel like a lot of girls didn't get that love language growing up of such closeness and and some do and you know very lucky them but I know that goes back to being a parent like the most you can do for your kid is unconditional love and that's like my dream is to have a daughter that I can put all that [ __ ] love inside me because I have so much flowing love that I need to put in something would you say that the reason why one of the reasons why you want to have a daughter to love unconditionally it's because you don't see yourself prepared to love one woman that's not your daughter unconditionally you know I'm I think that is often I'm not closed off to it but everyone everyone always says the one and if the right girl comes along I'm so down for it it's I know it's a huge commitment and it's like it would chop off other parts of my life but I'm totally open to that don't you see that people not only women like people in general when you travel we believe that as individuals we're very unique but when you get to meet a thousand people a year you realize that Jeremy or Adam or Alex or whoever you met it's really looking like this other guy that you met a year ago I remember oh I always say like we're one day conscious is caught up in different people but there's a beautiful contrast to it and I love I've always loved being around European European people because you guys Customs your way look at life I always felt more relatable to then when I'm from Polynesia in America but yeah it can blend together I'm terrible with names too I meet so many people and I often there's like Memories just blend together I don't hold on to it I don't know but yeah I was trying to get to the point where like if you are experiencing uh relationships with different girls for the last five years at a very very fast pace don't you get to a point where a lot of them feel very similar to you like you don't see the uniqueness anymore when you're you've seen so many different ones and then you kind of see that they fall into like categories but not only girls like it happens to guys as well like yeah once you met like 25 people from Asia they kind of have the same background like same cultures same ideas you meet 25 people from Europe we're kind of like the same so wouldn't you say that in few years from now maybe you want to find that just one person I guess it's just more if I want to make that my main purpose if I'm ready to have a full-time partner you know it's not just about the one girl it's about like me having to give up a bit of my freedom and not to be of a different girl or something but just like if if it's a random day my friends are in Indonesia like oh the waves are gonna be good come surf but if I have a girl it's like do I want to make her change her job or schedule to bring her or do I want to make her miss me for two weeks I don't know it's like I have so much of the life I want to explore and someone's challenges and things I want to go through before I dedicate into one person but again at the same time you never know you'll meet someone I I like to have an idea in my head when I meet a girl but I don't know you know yeah I'm also still figuring it out like I I don't want to get with a girl and then break her heart and be unsure like I want to be very dedicated when I go into you know so I think that's the biggest issue right like did you say that right there that if you want to go south and she wants to go north and you want to have the freedom to not yeah the compromise yeah not only to do it just to not hurt her feelings yeah you know because the the if you zoom out of all of it the biggest question is like am I ready to take care of two and then just one you know it's like I still have I still have other goals and other things I want to achieve and go after and feel before I settle down to that but I don't know maybe the girl comes to Mom and she comes next year I don't I try not to like one I try not to live in the idea and yearn for it but I'm totally open to it and uh so what are your goals right now my overall goals yeah overall yeah I say okay there's there's difference in business there's goals and life and but one of the things I just did was a huge goal of mine for a long time was retire my dad in Hawaii so I put him away on my property in Hawaii I got him all taken care of and that was a huge a huge thing for me because like growing up it's like I've watched my dad move around do this and that but I just want him happy and to be in one place and so that was a goal I was working on for years financially just to figure that all out and I just did that two months ago so that was a huge thing for me I have extreme sports goals there's still things that I want to do like cool ideas of skydiving and surfing all these kind of stuff I also have I've been having a yearning to expand back into business I mean I do a lot of different business things I have different income streams this and that but I want to work on something that will start benefiting the world around me I don't know exactly what that is yet but I've always had a feel for two things is people that are heavily suffering and third world countries like Sudan Somalia eastern Ukraine things like that and then people have handicap I don't know exactly if it's gonna be a product or it's gonna be a foundation but I know with the presence I have and the ability I want to funnel that into something that's more than myself you know so again it's it's my purpose in gold right now are split up in different Avenues and it's just about I guess moving forward full down one you know because again I'm still feel young and I want to just go run around have fun and go surf and Scott having to do those things but at the same time I feel that the age is creeping up and I'm getting to the point where it's like all right I need to take a few things more serious do you think that you got into a comfort zone around 2015-16 I think I had my real Comfort Zone after covet actually oh really yeah like when covet happened and the whole world is turned off and I was like [ __ ] this is kind of nice you know everything felt like everything turned off and I was like damn this is actually very peaceful but after yeah after covid I don't know it's like when you have like a good group of friends and you're enjoying the present moment so much and like code for me was like a very internal thing because not not like the disease but like it just it became like you had nothing but your own time and salt to hang out with and it became almost like a spiritual journey in a deeper sense and I was sober that I don't know it's like and as well you were more focused on business like I remember you were more like active with crypto like you were working on it like I honestly don't know if you post these uh for close friends or not but like you're always like you have a number in your mind do you post this like publicly or not like about you always say I want to have this x amount of ethereum like you know oh yeah yeah I mean uh it's I have money goals but again at some point the money goes just blend together it's like is is five million 10 million give me that much different of a life no not at all actually yeah you've been dreaming living your dream life for the last few years yeah I mean maybe you could get a bigger house in Hawaii but you already have one right yeah it doesn't change it yeah it doesn't change I think for you I think the big thing is like it's funny because once again once you're a public figure and once you have X amount of success everyone seems to want to voice their opinion to you and tell you how you should live and how you shouldn't live for me again I zoom out it's like what is my my deepest feeling inside myself I feel love I feel connected I feel good you know so I want to further that happening I want to further that internal experience and let that radiate out of me into other ways just intrinsically as I flow through life but also at the same time have you know these structures and plans like the last few years it was a lot of financially set myself up I was figuring out Investments more I was figuring out stuff like that just so I know I can have this life 20 years from now 30 years from now things like that I mean I know you're from Hawaii and it's kind of different from Mainland America right there's a lot of uh Young American would you say that a lot of them are living a lie in a sense of when you started traveling the world and you saw things with your own eyes you kind of got perspective and you you thought it's a lot of weird division out there a lot of like I feel like every country has their own version of the news own version of History own version of like what they think success is I don't know yeah like one of the one of the most beautiful quotes I ever heard is like it's not about learning more it's about unlearning yeah it's like you get so much information from different angles from different people and different things it's like what makes you like what is your Symphony of happiness and success what makes you feel intrinsically good it's like zoom in on that you know it's like I have so many people all the time in my ear tell me this and that from either my friends my father like other people tell me ideas or this and I'm like what [ __ ] makes me feel good you know it's a matter of reality and perspective right sometimes I think that the more you know the worst right sometimes your mind so much yeah yeah you know why I say this because recently in their recent years I've experienced different things in different countries and I kind of realized how much of an impact news for instance having in our opinion in how we behave we defend ideas with our life they're a lie and so much of it during during covet actually everyone had an opinion on coffee right how different against that subject is yeah maybe not I'm not going to touch that one but I'm going to touch another one for Spain sensors as possible yeah yeah no no let's not touch that one let's use our imagination like for instance with guns right weapons in America right I I've been living in the US for a long time and I have friends there that I consider a very very very smart and when they voice their opinion on the subject I'm like this guy can't be serious right now defending something like this I have so many friends of the craziest theories and beliefs and all that I don't personally shoot guns nor do I I don't really know my opinion on that because it's like there's so much division it's like a cult it's like a religion people like either go on the left or the right and I don't know I almost try to zoom out and it's not involved in it but yeah people live and die for these political left and right but but forget about the specific subject right like forget about guns I always try to gather all these like information that I I have now because of experiencing different countries and like different levels and on and all that and I questioned myself what's true anymore in our lives because when I see it and and again forget about the specific side subject of guns but when I see something where I have a completely different take just because in Spain we don't have them there's no weapons whatsoever here like you don't hear there's a shooting here or there like not happening yeah that shit's crazy in America again I'm also from Polynesia and so that doesn't happen really in Hawaii but at the same time I I don't know I really don't have that strong opinion on this because it's just it's the chaos of it seems so foreign from my own feeling of it that I never get too involved but it's actually it's absolutely crazy the division is insane with it all the you have been believing in lies there's so much of it's a lot so much almost all of it yeah I mean after covid if a lot of the world didn't realize how manipulated things are and even the whole financial system the school system everything me my friends have a joke we say everything's a Ponzi everything is a [ __ ] Ponzi and Healthcare is a Ponzi um schools of Ponzi I mean I don't want to say I don't want to judge the entirety of things but like there's good attributions from school but for those that don't know my background I don't know if you guys know what totally I do I yeah I dropped out of school at 12 years old and it wasn't just a personal choice like boom I'm 12 years old you know [ __ ] the world I'm done although it felt like that it was because my mom got cancer and that I wanted to spend those last couple years alongside her and homeschool and then when my mom passed away I never got really the I guess I've never forced to go back to school because my dad was kind of dealing with things in his life and I moved out when I was 15 also and so just so many happens that I never went back to school so I never I don't know uh yeah but you know it's it's a subject it's a it's a thing that most people don't discuss and I don't see them discussing it I'm every time I bring the subject with like different people I feel like a lot of people avoid it the school subjects no no no no in general like I have a feeling and it's a recent feeling like I thought that somehow I got to a level of awareness right in my life so when we had success with the with our company we we kind of had access to a different level of life right where everything can be bought or paid to an extent but recently as I'm getting older and I have experienced all these different levels of life I'm not talking only like monetary right but different levels of connecting with people knowing people like traveling more like uh different cultures different religions different everything I wonder how much of it it's orchestrated or how much is just the nature of how we are like for instance news if every single day your father was watching any channel oh no Fox News whatever it is every single day for the last 25 years most likely your father's opinions are very similar to anyone watching Fox News yeah totally if I'm born in Spain I'm probably going to be uh of any religion that's practiced here if you were born in India wherever it's there right yeah I question what what's true yeah what is right and what is it and who can we trust exactly I think you have to for me it's like following the constant because I've lived in different countries other than different cultures it's what is the constant you know it's funny there's a there's an understanding about religion where it's like there's what eight billion people alive and they say quote unquote about half them are religious and a half will be considered atheists or believing something else but you know what every person does believe in is love whether it's love for another person themself their country their passion so love is always a constant and so in life you should have a moral confidence of what is right and wrong and as you get older and you go through trial and error because I've had [ __ ] so much talent air in my life that that that narrows down that observation was right and wrong you know so having that internal moral competence compass for me is the most important I think every person can relate to that every person can understand that because I don't know there's things in my country that I may enjoy that they might not see as normal or good or Society is a better way to put in not legally or legally but I don't know at the end of the day is like yeah follow your own moral compass what is right and wrong a big thing is like how did your parents raise you did they raise you with unconditional love with understanding with room for you to have trial and error or they're strict if you had to be this way that way you know how are you formed again going back to unlearning a lot of the [ __ ] yes it's kind of uh it's all about consensus right you were talking about that everything is sponsy right now yeah but I think it's more about Community you know it's up it applies to everything it applies to crypto it applies to nft it's like if there is a lot of people a big Community supporting it so at the end for these people is right so it all applies in all that applies to politics to to news to everything is like get away yeah I mean I would say that in general uh uh for me I don't believe in what scared me the most is that I always thought growing up that my teacher at the school was giving me the the right information I never doubted the source of the information I mean they don't know I mean they're trying to do their best yeah they're trying to do their best what they've been taught and they've been taught from whoever else I mean I don't know I don't know the exact answer of this I think yeah thinking for yourself and empirical knowledge and experience just of you intrinsically going through trial and error in life will be the most important thing I think another question for you guys both Oscar you don't have kids do you no Oscar is going to talk to you but um yeah it's like how are what are you gonna do to rate like raising your kids now like how how what things are you gonna do that you never had from your parents and what different values what different happenings what would it be so in my case I think my my parents did an amazing job uh uh I'm the younger of uh four and I think they kind of like figure it out for me you know yeah so you're the you're the last one yeah I'm the last of our experience yeah so they did an amazing job in general now for my kid it's difficult it's tough because on one side I don't want him to have the anxiety or stress that I'm recently feeling ever right for me that's like a big thing so I kind of want to teach him that he shouldn't be celebrating the highs a lot neither been super depressed on the lows try to find that line the balance of accepting things as they come the iron is is gonna have to probably go through all of it yeah like I don't know it's just a journey of Being Human like I'll share something personal it's like my own subjective belief and it's when my mom passed away when I was 15. it was it was the years after that you know I really missed her a lot but there's something that stuck with me to this day you know a lot of people they lose a loved one and it's like a black hole it's like a thing that will never fill it but for me she was so unconditionally loving I even remember this one time driving the car and she's just telling me like randomly how much she loved me and I probably was like 10 years old and I was quizzing and I was like how much do you love me do you love me more than your husband then your parents then your mom your dad and she just told me she's like I love you more than anything that could ever be like you are Beyond like what you are is my whole Beyond purpose you know and so that that feeling of unconventional love like I still feel inside me even though I miss her I trust me I trade the World Trade everything I have just it's been I trade every bit of my life to give my mom a 10 second hug but like that that unconditional love she gave me with like it flows through man that made like without that I would have had such a [ __ ] rough life to be honest yeah so I really think it's all about love yeah honestly I was always thinking what was going to be the best education I can give to my daughter right at the end it always comes the the same answer as long as she feels love and she feels infamy and everything I think everything is gonna well work fine yeah I cannot wait to do that I like but I swear to God my daughter I will keep her like in my arms until she's like 35. maybe not 35 but like I swear to God I'm gonna be so hard to let that girl go there's a risk there you know like yeah I know that dance is not going to be able to like cope with like like you're gonna have a daughter of 100 I was feeling like you yeah I wanted to have a daughter and then I'm so jealous honestly about a daughter it's like I know it's so funny I think it's just it's like of all things everything most happy would have a family but yeah having a daughter would be like a German there's people like in mind that we were here together like on a trip right and something happens whatever it is like they want to kick us out of the Villa for X reason whatever it is there's always people in the room well not always but like there's always people somewhere that are strong enough to not lose their temper to not feel affected by the situation and calmly find the solution and I feel like you're one of those right like at this point perhaps when I was younger I was I was a bit more like temperature not temperature but it's like just intense like not as emotionally balanced I think most men are when they're young but I do remember but I remember um like I I saw your Revolution I mean I see your Revolution I see everyone's Evolution and I try to see mine as well but there's always that strength strength in some people that you see that if a problem arises everyone in the room will look at that person yeah usually it's called a leader wherever it is so how do you feel that you came to that moment in your life where you had the strength is it because you experience so much is it because of the love that you got from your parents or the education what do you think it's a key factor for people out there listening to us to become that a strong person that can handle things again I'm not like an expert on anything besides my own empirical experience but for me it was to have a relationship with the unknown fear and vulnerability I think fear can be added into anything in life that is what creates a gap between you and life you know of course when I say fear you guys might think of a melee extreme sports because that's what I'm associated with but if there can be anything I mean talking to the pretty girl it can be going out to your dreams that your family doesn't support and having a relationship with vulnerability to go into that fear will be the biggest thing because when you have that level of fear lowered you will be more hungry and you'll be more able to life around you and the simple trick that A friend brought to my attention is your exposure to it don't go at things 100 go out at five percent go to ten percent go to bit by bit because every day if you compound a little bit of interaction with that fear I think let's just use a very simple understand if you're a guy and you want to talk to girls you're not going to get better by just watching pick up stuff by let's see in the [ __ ] agitate or whoever you're gonna get better by going and just being in the presence of females first have female friends then go to a girl on the street and just try like what's the worst that's gonna happen is no but having that relationship with fear it will give you Evolution every part of your life and that's a big thing for me still to this day I have fewer particular things and it's just always trying to go forth and speak Moana even speaking publicly I'm I'm very exposed through social media at the same time I'm very like inside myself you know and having these conversations I often don't even have because I feel like I'm misunderstood judge so on but you know I try to come like when you tell me this podcast is like oh man I haven't been like publicly speaking for so long I was like [ __ ] I'll try it you know just to have like to dive into that vulnerability a little bit more I agree with you that like exposure to whatever creates the fear it's one thousand percent key we sometimes do it do it through our life like if you're in business for long enough you've experienced so many ups and downs and issues that that fear kind of like dissipates because you already know the outcome one thing that when I was in a really really bad position in my life and like I had to to uh to face fear right in the face one thing that someone told me is just think of the worst total worst outcome and be okay with it yeah so coming back to like talking to to a girl like if you're okay with a rejection like if you think okay well worst case is scenario I get rejected fine I'm okay with it there's other opportunities out there then that mitigates that fear because you're already happy with it and it can be applied to so many other stuff you know like in in general in life people underestimate themselves too and also I think Society has been designed to put people down and believe in them selfless I was not the most confident kickering up I was super insecure growing up I was unsure of [ __ ] everything growing up but just that that vulnerability and push myself into a bit more evolve me into the character I am today but the average person out there male female were so told to be a particular way and I think it's it's really interesting for women right now because if you look in the last 80 years the way that women are having an evolution now because they're so [ __ ] suppressed for so long you're gonna see so many happenings that we didn't think were possible before and even girls now it's like there's so much [ __ ] suppression of women when you have to understand that women are the purpose of life and I say this in such an ironic way but like if you dive down to it like you can see any man you can meet any anyone that has all the things but if they don't have like love in their life they don't have I want to say partner to make it more broad but for us as guys talking like if you don't have a good girl next to you I don't know like your life is missing like that balance that love that that partnership is so beautiful so well and I think most humans crave being next to like not humans like most men if they're straight they crave being next to a woman right yeah like the entire freaking world moves around them in so many ways I always say like women are intrinsically perfect like every girl I meet when I see like if you look them into like their core and soul it's like they're so perfect like they're they're Pure Love from the get-go it's just because it's been a man-dominated world that there's so much harm cause to their happening which is ironic when they're the most valuable potential of life you know without women you have nothing you know I wish that everyone could see that love is is the answer in general no matter who you are where you come from the job though you have to find it that's the that's the empirical happen of life I mean you can like we brought back earlier imagine in your party phase or your your high Hawkers phase when you're 30 and it's like you never imagine that that level of love with your son would Trump all the fun things you're doing oh 100 sometimes like when we started doing this we were lucky to have most of the comments were very very very very positive but some of them that you know this is this is really funny and it's touching on like everything we've been talking uh for me um I'm a very secure person like I was I don't know how I guess I've always watched you keep your calm yeah yeah I don't know why I guess it's because my environment growing up like having three older brothers like they were very smart secure my parents my mom my dad well I don't know my environment but I discover insecurities recently like not long ago like probably like three four years ago like up until that day I had zero like none it was non-existent but anyway when we started posting the videos the first one we did without announcing it because I didn't want to have the pressure of like people commenting like saying whatever like I just wanted to flow but then it blew up a little bit so it went really good and we had hundreds of comments and all of them were very positive and we were discussing it between us and we were like man we're so lucky like yeah all the comments are very positive until one day I discovered that YouTube suppresses the Bible completely not like Instagram like completely yeah yeah yeah and there was uh an option on the YouTube Studio to see it and I have to say we didn't have much yeah but when I started reading that I felt so bad I was like damn like these [ __ ] can get under your skin at the end of the day it's like I get hate my stuff too you've been hiding that to us right yeah I'm sorry guys honestly now I didn't want to show it to you yeah I mean look man I've been doing this for 10 years and I get all sorts of hate over time things are not even true things blame on me and so on and I didn't say it's like thank God there's a divide between real life and social media because the moment my phone turns off doesn't exist yeah like I told you earlier I've never had someone come with me like hate on me or like bring anything negative to me only positive but I sympathize with people who hate and I have hate on things in the past myself and when you when you realize when you when you totally zoom out you have to realize that no matter the level of hate or even dislike is a mere insecurity of yourself and that's the thing too like even as I get older I'm like I hate on particular things internally in my head I hear it but I'm like I have to challenge myself like why do I dislike that why do I hate that it's a reflection of me not a bad person you know so long as no one's hurting anyone or harming anyone or whatever it's like what can you really say about their life their beliefs or what they're doing and so on you know it's always it's always a mere reflection of yourself it is and and when we see someone there it's very public and dude you have to be brave to to expose yourself to social media like in general like it's [ __ ] it's rough it very yeah it's rough as far and as you said like once you are out there like everyone wants to tell you how to live your life yeah they want to say hey this is how you have to spend your money this is how you have to spend your time this is how you have to treat people like this is how your opinion should be it's very very very very very rough because yes it's true that when you get to like a level of audience you have some sort of uh responsibility of you know say the right things so you have the right influence but in the end [ __ ] we want to be humans like we want to have our own opinion right or wrong you know like I I always have a strong opinion on on most things but because it's my personality and I don't want to not say my opinion because people say yeah don't say it I mean it's a Tetris of life it's I have so many pains in my head that sometimes like I just want to blur it especially when people are close to or that may be younger than you or haven't experienced them yet and you're just like don't [ __ ] do it don't think that way but it's like oh no yeah you have to let everything flow and it becomes the whole life is inside job on you you know it's how you deal with it how you think about it how do you react to things one I think we've been touching a lot of subjects um and I and I know that you realize that your fame or impact it wasn't only for you it was for a lot of people like your you passing through life the way that you did wanted or not you impacted so many people's lives as a matter of fact I almost forgot uh uh the guys that are usually filming with us one of them Marco he grew up obsessed with your content right and somehow that made him into the person that he is today like it touched a percentage of him I it only is only in the recent years when my fame intention slowed down a bit where I got to zoom in on that because when you're in it it just seems so normal and it seems like such a happening that I realized how much I've affected people because I didn't want to believe it at first because I didn't in my early 20s I didn't value myself like I do now I didn't see myself as I do now and I didn't know the fact I was talking about people it just simply was being I was just being crazy I was doing what all the things I thought was enjoyable and fun and now I'm getting older and realizing now if I made were like yo I I started doing this filming or I started traveling started going to ask my goals because of just watching some of your content still to this day I don't know how to digest that entirely all I can do is just be thankful that life is moving its Force Through Me into other people you know we're talking before about uh how good influencer you you are right and you you really are an influencer because you Influence People yeah um you know I've been following you a lot and you've been a reference to me and inspiration as well I'm sure not really because you know especially during covet I really realized that um time is relative you know and and and the thing is that time um really passes you just don't do anything but when you make the most of it of time and you keep busy yourself most of the time it's like the time pass slower right and every time I was thinking about that I was thinking about you I mean look at the time you use it the the way you use the time and the way you um I wake up every day and I have a hunger for life of wanting to do the most I can't find time I had I had my best friends die uh seven months ago or almost a year ago actually now sorry bro and you know it's part of life it's death again it's the Final Destination but I just remember like when he died like how it impacted our friend group it was just because he was so beautiful he was so young he was so positive he was just like he's pure love I remember like no matter what happened in the situation he was just pure love and he died doing wingsuit bass which is skydiving from the mountains in the in the suit and he hit a tree on high impact and he was just a very daring person but I remember that happened I was just like [ __ ] like every goalie I set out for business or this and that or all the expectations of life like it kind of It kind of falls to the feet of that you know and it's like every day I wake up and I have this I have this opportunity still to go live and to go be and to go do all the things I want your life provides and I was just that was such an impactful moment for me it's like not slow down and not get too comfortable you know what I'm saying have you ever feared death they [ __ ] I try to think about it every day I probably do think about it every day and I wake up it's one of the things my mind like your daughter now what if you're no longer here with the whole experience stops right here I mean surpass the suffering you won't know it consciously perhaps but it sounds a gentle reminder every day to better yourself and compound and back to what you're saying before like I'm very it's very sweet bro like I mean I want to say it's so [ __ ] cold I really mean inspired other people around me even you and now it's when I look at you and it's like you have a daughter but I'm jealous I'm so jealous of that but I'm by no means a [ __ ] perfect individual and I've shared this life of of what may be the ideal dream life to my generation of being in the tropics and being around beautiful cool people and this and that and brought my [ __ ] perfect At All by any means like I there has been so much child and air and one thing noted is like when I was younger the amount of ego I I created by going from not being really a popular individual black sheep of My Tribe growing up in Hawaii to having everything that having anything I wanted however I wanted the level of ego is you cannot run from it and still to this day it's like I have to unlearn that [ __ ] ego I have to unlearn that's [ __ ] because everyone just treats you so good everyone's just so nice to you get whatever you want you think this is a normal life but it's not you know like I had there's there's adversities that happen through my life that you know made me reflect on that and grow and I'm still trying to better that every day but yeah it's easy for your um your ego to get a hold of you I mean I remember the the first few months when we met you were too young I was young as well I had a big ego as well like we both did yeah but in a sense you always treated me right I I guess because we were at the same level Yeah by my core I'm always loved with people like if someone can break down their vulnerability with me even to the phase when I had a big ego I'm able to sit there with a loving setting with people you know like I truly don't think I'm better than anyone I just I think I have less patience and I'm very selfish with things when I was younger you know especially with relationships with certain friendships where I should have you know people who helped put me on I didn't recognize how much effect it had on me because I thought it was very much myself and I didn't realize until later on in life how much more I should have helped them and how selfless they were to me and then you know just even be in particular relationships whereas like I I didn't appreciate how to treat that person right you know that's a big thing there's certain because of the good attributions in my life like when I losing my mom there's so many you know bad and good things that came out of it but there's definitely bad things there's like I never had a mom to tell me like when I brought home a girl like that's a good girl or that's a bad girl like you know like I never had female Direction I had a trial and error of [ __ ] trauma and insecurity and ego with amazing women that I ruined relationships over you know and so like there's so much of that when I was younger that I just didn't [ __ ] grasp and understand and then later after re the sorrow realized like oh I was you know I was an egotistical person for that and now having to like again unlearn all that and better myself and yeah it's uh it's been a [ __ ] Journey with that it's it's a journey but I think you still have obviously a lot to to learn but I think from what you said before right when we were talking about your future you said that you want to like somehow uh direct your effort efforts into like uh helping other people right just doing more things outside myself because if you live a life full of hedoism and just pleasure at some point and just you just exhaust your soul but I think you have an amazing opportunity here um let me remind you that not only because I know that we've seen this together and we had really funny moments looking at guys trying to identically copy your style right I know you remember yeah we had some fun fun stuff like there's guys that just like copy your tattoos like your way of like dressing your hairstyle even like the having a girlfriend whatever it is right but let me let me remind you that when we were living those days in in La you weren't only impacting those kids or some kid in Spain one in India whatever you were influencing people that will become influencers like for instance I remember the day that you met something so and you're gonna say yeah yeah so some namesake is a is a photographer um probably one of the best of Our Generation yeah he's up on the best especially in the US and California specifically yeah the day that he met you I remember him calling me texting me please introduce me to Jay please please please please please it truly changed his life because it was the first time that he experienced working with someone that he had such a deep respect and like oh no he you you were for him an idol of sorts right so why I'm saying this is you you influence other people like that will end up influencing other people and I believe you have so much to say that will help and create a very positive impact in what we are going to see in the near future about mental health yeah you have a voice yeah I think you should if you I mean it's up to you obviously but if you could take social media again not every day but like here and there to find the format that you feel comfortable with and start talking the way that you're talking to us today I guarantee you your impact will be bigger than you could ever do with like creating any sort of organization that's probably true it's look it's been on my mind I'm not gonna lie a way to communicate to my generation and again it's not like you know I'm not some famous celebrity like a Mike Tyson or someone who has an incredible crazy story I have my own story I don't know exactly what I can offer I guess I can only offer empirical knowledge or just I guess my own past experiences and talk upon that I just want to feel like I'm telling people everyone to do I only want to suggest things that maybe have worked for me or not work for me it's um it's also because of what the mainstream cultures now it's part of the reason why I stopped so my social media work is because I just feel like I wasn't it wasn't room for me there's so much things happening that I don't connect with that's like if I mean I suppose I'd rather have the niche minority of people who see and feel and connect how I do then the vast that may not but do they think there's a lot of not bad ego but a lot of ego they're holding you back from being a great influencer for a lot of people like you might think that yeah obviously you're not Mike Tyson but you are somewhere there if you only speak your truth and obviously bro you are not trying to convince people of anything like but if you speak your truth your experience through life with mental health and like everything around it and how you went through it good or bad I think that will help a lot of people there's a lot of influencers out there today for example Andrew Tate that just because he has the money he's in a position to tell people how to feel yeah that that itself is such a strange thing I think the undertale character is such a strange happening because I personally look at agitate as a as a as an Entertainer because all the stuff he says is like I mean there's some neutral some bad some good overall like I wouldn't say it's a healthy thing for society but maybe there's message in there that some people need to hear but there's a lot of bad stuff you know and I I'll say this now because I think it's so important if you were a male and listen to adjective and you think this is going to help you get girls it will not [ __ ] I would like to try to see you do it because it's so entertaining because as you get older you realize that this is you cannot be this way it doesn't work but yeah it's strange that like I get though why he's popular because as a young male if you don't have a father figure to look up to who do you look up to what Biden the president you know what what good politics do we have what good like it's great we have you know good athletes but there's there's not like a necessary Father Figure overall like for me a lot of you know I have a great father but a lot of the men I looked up to was like um OSHA a sad Guru which is more of on the spiritual realm but even more for women I I don't know if you're a girl you don't have a good mother or like who do you look up to you know is it Nicki Minaj or these kind of girls the right women to look up to I don't know I'm just thinking the first yeah it's not even who you want to look up for like you said also like that you have to read a book like Andrew you'll find him in every single Tick Tock while you're scrolling and the more that you consume it the more that they show it to you or similar ideas and I believe the reason why he has so much uh success from a marketing point of view it's uh specifically because of what you say before he says a lot of things that makes sense that could be great advice and then he says a bunch of things that are awful that way he creates polar polarization so different people have to position themselves yeah he captures both sides he captures both sides very well and the polarity is intense because as men and women we have the strongest polarity to each other it's a need it's a yin and yang and he attacks while giving and he pulls while pushing which is a very smart tactic to get into the mind and so on he's not a dumb individual I wouldn't say he's necessarily a really good person but he's not dumb he knows what he's doing and the more and more people more and more people that fall into it and feed into that I mean you're just feeling the fire but and again zooming out I don't even think undertale is like that big of a threat to the rest of the world there's much bigger worries in the world we're on the brink of World War III there's um there's a government that feels like he's trying to enslave everyone there's much worse things but I think as a young individual it's it can be an influences very much in your face well but coming back to creating a a positive impact I wonder why is it for personal reasons why don't you get it's just a it's a field that I need to it's like again I think when you're going through life first you get yourself right first you get your money straight if you can figure that out you get your family straight and then with all the successes and all the the joys of life you're like okay and then what I should probably better the world around me I should do something for Society at least something for my brothers and sisters you know I've done that to an extent but I've also been very shy and held back so I don't so how do I do that as a question do I go on YouTube and start speaking my mind start talking to people do I go out and create a foundation that can Target certain parts of the world to try to help I mean that's that's still something I juggle with my mind and it's also how much of that do I create my lifestyle around you know you know what I would love to see I would love you to go back to you being an artist and creating pieces of content that this time have a storytelling that have a positive impact and do it whenever you feel like and do it as you wish but do it because I feel like in the end you're right we feel like first we have together our situation straight and then people around us I think you're at that point yeah and something is holding you back probably that you've been trapped into like a very good lifestyle very good balance and and everything but I would love to see it I mean whatever you do is gonna have a great impact you know you were talking about uh before like like helping others helping others not only persons it could be animals it could be uh climate change you know and that takes part of your values as well you know we've been talking about that before like we live in a world that no matter I mean we are vegetarians uh we oh are you guys to recycle everything but that really has that really doesn't have an impact you know because as long I mean the government doesn't yeah action is gonna make a change but I think that people like you uh can use like social uh social platforms to really uh has an impact through your post it would be amazing to get like a variety of I guess conscious understanding conscious love and just a greater power to move at the rate that like an Andrew Tate moves or something like that I just don't know because that sort of stuff feeds into the ego of everyone like the kind of content again agitate or whatever like the hateful content feeds into everyone's ego and everyone I feel like his needs have a [ __ ] release that's why that content's so much more digestible than say this kind of content but there's a way to do it no doubt there's a way to do that isolate the good from the bad probably you will have 100 000 people saying what the [ __ ] are you doing who you think you are to tell me how to think or act or leave or whatever but then you will have whatever amount 25 000 people that you might save their life yeah so isolate the good focus on that that's true that's true that should get advice Alex you always have given good advice since we've met yeah you too to me like I think it's uh it goes both ways but anyway like I I think it's me being being a fan of your work who's speaking right now I want to see Jay back I want to see and and I know you don't necessarily have to do this like we don't have to be the same version of what we were in the past or like a better one or whatever it's just like I guess I feel nostalgic of those days where you were like creating something beautiful dude yeah you were one of the first to use social media platforms to create that sort of content and it's resonating with so many individuals in so many countries you may only think of the US but I know entire generations of content creators that because of what you did the few videos and think that there were many of them few videos today they're dedicating their life to create content in in a in a way that's true uh different now appreciate all that I'm definitely taking the Mind seriously and it's been in my mind but hearing it from you is definitely a good motivation I want to ask you something of all the craziness you've lived through the last seven eight ten years what is your crazy story so yeah about the top of your head the most crazy moment or insane thing you've ever done I mean a lot of them goes I mean honestly I think I normalized a lot of situations as you did as well for sure I couldn't say one but I feel like the crisis craziest thing that happened to me and to us was to come from a small town in Spain and not only leave the Hollywood life but we kind of like create a little bit later because I was gonna I was in I was in a relationship for that 2015 period but it wasn't until I was in 2016 I started hanging out with all you guys it was hilarious everyone knows Hawkers as the most wild parties most fun times the most everything I mean now there's more wild parties like to be honest like you see Danville Syrian and he has a Wilder party like there's always things that become better but at that moment what was the concept of the last minute after the party yeah yeah it was great you know it's funny because you I don't know if you remember I never go to clubs like I never would go to Warwick or hide I would always just go to House Parties but that two three month period that you guys or whenever that was that we lived in the glass house I remember I go to bed at like 11 and wake up to the whole entire Courtyard full of like 100 people raging and I'd be like I had sick throw my t-shirt go out there and start chilling but that house was so funny I mean I remember one moment where I don't know what happened or what time it was all of you guys just got up and left back to Spain it was something with visas I don't know what it was I think it was like no no no no it was with um there was a day that we had to all leave no go back uh I don't know where we were I think it was when Mexico no no I think so we had an issue in Mexico yeah with uh now it's a very successful Formula One racer uh okay uh he he tweeted that we were that he was breaking the contract with us because of a comment that we made on Twitter but it was a Mexican guy working in our our Mexican office when Trump won the election he made a call he said like make sure that you wear Hoggers and glasses when you are building the wall like or something like that oh my God it was very awful awesome man yeah yeah so it was because we had to it was damage control I didn't know that's why I thought it was some of these related but you guys all got up and left yeah it was just me at the house and I remember um what's the photographer friend of Niger best friend oh Nathan Nathan it was just me and Nathan the house and I've been staying in one of the rooms and I was like [ __ ] there's no one here I walked around the house I was like Alex is gone Oscar's gone I was gone no one's here and I just stayed there for a few weeks I was lit by myself just had a great time but I just thought it was the funniest moment like me and what Justin Bieber's old glass house it was like so expensive and then also like the the changing of rooms or do you remember one moment I was living in the garage I do remember it I I didn't want to bring it up but no it's so funny if I run it I went from having like the Epic room didn't be in the garage for a bit and then go into a different room I don't know it was so funny I don't give a [ __ ] it was worth it we're having the best times I I remember that you were very very capable of adapting actually I remember that the garage we had their uh DeLorean the car oh yeah yeah and then a McLaren and then there was this it wasn't even the garage it was a small room with some of the air conditioning yeah equipment right and you put uh yeah and you were there I remember one day that there was a party and a lot of girls were waiting by the but by the by the hallway that led to the garage and I was like what's going on in here and the funniest part is like when I left that room it's like Alex Hayes came in and then he stayed in the room and it became like just the lower Edge room of the house you know it was a great group of people huh like it was such an epic group honestly like one I think what do you guys leave in 2017 or 2016 well I stayed but like Hoggers is a as a whole like we sold the company in November 2017. yeah I stayed for another year and then I stayed when that era ended it was just like there's like nowhere to hang out not as fun I mean then we moved to Blue Jay way yeah yeah I I always remember seeing you around the party with like your whole black outfit and like this uh longer jacket that you were wearing on Audio Repair you know I always wanted to train you know what's funny you know I wear black it's not actually a stylish thing it's just when I would travel I had one suitcase and 80 of it was camera gear so I would only have room to throw in like five shirts and a few pairs of pants and it's still that way today like half my stuff is a sports gear so it's just like I'm throwing a few like linen pants Jeans like yeah dude I was uh so we're starting a clothing brand with uh this uh these guys so we're trying to prove a concept like they're just creating content and like we're helping them so we're more on like the back end of things uh but I wanted to bring you some of the clothing oh I'm done no I I know it's black I'm not going to give him anything that's not black but I will give you I will send you a package all right I'm like you like usually I wear black most of the time I just like it it's simple and as you said it's when you travel so much like it's just simple to put like Basic clothing like if you have to do like Oscar that he has an entire outfit every single day yeah Oscar's got swag he's got style yeah no but you really created the trend like every time we're wearing normal black is like are you wearing like gay over it yeah it's so funny it's funny because it even start with me it was my buddy Rocky who like when I first started hanging out with him when I was like 16 17 he's like he would kind of like dress me or like he had cooler clothings I don't want to wear it and then it just came from that yeah that's funny are you actively modeling as well like right now or not yes I mean after coveted all that changed a bit but I still yeah do campaigns here and there I'm not like super as excited about it like I won't go to castings but I'll still do it here now so I mean I I already know what you're going to do for this summer like you're just going to travel like have fun and like that a big part of it spend time with friends the issue is like I spend X my year say in Hawaii then part in Europe and then part maybe in like Bali or LA and I have like close friends all over the world I have friends in Italia friends and uh Greece yeah exactly it's like I only get to see him that time of the year and so yeah I'm just I don't know just enjoying it so much man that's amazing do you ever think about performing in a movie or I actually did one part of a movie um it was called 19 there's 1992 or 42. it's about the LA riots and me and um you know the real Tarzan right animal guy yeah so me and him got flown out and did like a small part where we're like we're two gangsters and we're like trying to fight um you know his actor Tyson yeah yeah we're trying to fight him which is so funny because I had to learn on like the day before how to like fake fall and fake hit but yeah we did a short part for like 20 seconds which is cool I don't know I I I've not wanted to like dedicate my life into that realm but it's definitely fun like when it present like when I get the opportunity to present it's really fun I mean I I already know what you're going to do for the next few years like even if you have some plans like you're very stable on like what you do year after year like you know yeah like work but that's why I said before like you always dance between the edge of like the good and bad of like your job like you would do like few campaigns enough to sustain participating it's just been young bro so yourself so much [ __ ] fire inside myself to like want to play that yeah but it's it's creeping in I feel it coming it's coming right I definitely feel like coming well so two things I want to say because uh I think we've been talking for two hours so it's a time to to put an end to this soon uh one is I've been to almost every state in the United States but Hawaii no never been so I want to experience it with you I'll bring my wife and my kid and then let's do it bro I probably want to reflect you but I want to I'll get you surfing well we'll try surfing bro we'll try we're gonna get you uh over the fear or be on the plane that's a good one for anyone who's listening of course you're Spanish Alex took a car from Madrid to Valencia Alicante to Denia in near Berlin and then the boat all the way here how long is the boat two hours yeah it's a whole process from the flight's an hour and a half dude I was telling you in 45 minutes 45 minutes yeah no no that's from Alicante from Madrid it's one hour and 15 minutes but I'm going to tell you why uh very briefly okay and I was telling you before the podcast a little bit um I've been traveling for the last 10 years so much as you guys did and we were taking planes every other week or every other day and sometimes I had that fear of being in a plane like not being in control like the basic fear that you get from flying but nothing that I couldn't control or nothing that was going to stop me from going on an airplane but recently just because I had to do like some freaking MRI like a year ago or a year and a half ago ago um I became claustrophobic so it's a new thing now I don't give a single [ __ ] but you start kind of freaking out when you're in the seat on the planet so yeah I took a a plane for the first time in a year and a half the other day because I was in London and I wanted to see my family so I didn't want to do the whole like going on a train to Paris or whatever so I said you know what let's freaking do it so I went into the plane by myself and I was in the very first row and we were just going to get on the uh taxis to to to take off and the moment that I knew that we were going to go there everything kicked in and I said like I cannot do this I need to get out of this plane no way so I told the lady the the stewardess yeah yeah the fly waitress yeah serious yeah so I I told her like I have to go and she's like sit down it's fine I was like no no no I gotta go and she's like you just relax and she's like pull the the curtain so I couldn't see her anymore and I was like they're panicking dude like I thought I was going to pass away as a matter of fact I wrote an entire note because the flight was like two hours yeah the whole two hours was like getting into panicking almost passing yeah and then going back to like feel normal and grateful for being alive and then so it was really intense so I wrote an entire note of how I failed and like how I want to be a better person like yeah you know all those things that you do when you are like in on Theory yeah on fear and stress but uh you know what like I think I think I just have to expose myself more to that City I'll take you skydiving how about that yeah well that's a no that's a big no that that's that's something that I will probably never do if if you asked me to do that when we first met you had a two percent chance oh my God today you have a minus a thousand percent just because I love my family so much that I would never want to do anything yeah fair enough but he's down me too me too yeah the boys will ride yeah let's do it well I I always think I I always think why the heck Jay can do this so easily like wake up 7 A.M in the morning go freaking jump and by the time that I'm waking up 9 A.M on my holiday he already fell from a plane and I'm here having breakfast and it's so easy for you yeah just I don't know I'm not attached to things too much so I guess it's also just normalized for me yeah I know I know like me and my friends will make plans like oh you want to start fighter you wanna do a jump you want to get the helicopter okay so I know it sounds crazy but it's really like to be normal for a friend group no I know trust me I know well I I wish I could do that but I guess I'm going to be ready bro enjoy music whenever you're ready I have a question as well so I wanted to ask you because as a person that has experience and and lived almost everything about having a daughter uh you you're a person like that you could die tomorrow and you you couldn't feel regret so what do you think is the is the key of happiness I think this is back what we said I don't know for everything has to be love as the balance and highest purpose but at the same time for like day-to-day happiness doesn't make sense psychologically biologically it just doesn't there's ups and downs ups and downs my personal self I don't interact with um certain things that would make that harder like I don't interact with like tobacco or nicotine or alcohol or things or I try to get good sleep you know Health whatever just because I don't want those to be too extreme I'd rather have my UPS and my Downs through life I don't want to have like crazy ups and crazy Downs so yeah just not seeking happiness but seeking peace you know just having like a conscious relationship with peace and yeah that's kind of I guess for me more than happiness that's that's great yeah I think we have to bring this to an end because otherwise it's going to be like a day but I can sit here and talk to the boys all day no I know me too but I mean we do like around two hour uh podcasts yeah uh eventually I think we have to have a deeper conversation maybe in a couple years from now so we'll do another episode yeah but bringing back I want to experience Hawaii with you and I truly would love to see you creating something and if you do please let me be part of it from even if it's only from like helping you with the creative Direction whatever it is yeah yeah you know that I always enjoyed working with you uh but I truly want to see that day I'm pretty sure I will I keep things Brewing up I'm down all right boys thank you guys so much I love you all thank you so much thank you for uh you guys platform yeah to connect to Spain and the rest of the Spanish-speaking world too yeah it's going to be weird to see you talking with yeah I'll do the the Netflix Latin yeah yeah everyone who's listening is not my actual voice people are going to think that's your your voice

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Published: Sun Jun 25 2023