James O'Brien's top 10 Best Brexit calls | LBC

i i've got a contract with eurostar right um i run out same day deliveries i've got a van on the way back from brussels at the moment on the same day off the trains um with supplies right so he was sent out at the early hours of the morning out to brussels reload bustles back to london um i go out to paris paris reload paris back to london twice two three times a week i do it um no customs checks all i have to do is run out the goods on what's called a cmr full which is an international delivery note right um if we go outside the customs union in any sense of the imagination we will need to do what's called transit documents they cost 75 to 90 quid a pop you have to go to customs housing over to clear them you have to park up if you get sent down what is called a route 1 which i've had before you're stuck there for six to seven hours waiting to clear them on a good day you could be in and out in 45 50 minutes um so and and customs house but how many how many vehicles potentially would have to do that if we were outside the customs union all of them and all of them would take 45 to 50 minutes well that's on a quiet day if you're going in at night no this is scary mate because i i i'll let look i've laid out what i thought i understood and then i admitted i know nothing you live and work and depend upon this free movement of goods completely you do it every single day often several times a day and if i've understood you correctly so far you're saying it's even worse than you thought james i've said all along a vote to leave would be a vote to leave the customs union which scared me and i knew it would possibly be the beginning of the end for express van transport in this country a just-in-time supply chain yes is already suffering a big massive polish company has already gone busting poland because of the drop just the time movements of goods in the vehicle um automotive industry why would that have happened already though kieran well no because what they do they they have set budgets right like you know all the car plans have set budgets on what they want to spend every year um to get their overnight stuff you want a pallet of airfields in france going to luton you pick it up at four o'clock in the evening it's at the doorstep in luna eight o'clock the next morning and if it isn't then whatever you're building in luton doesn't get built and everything gets well well the production line stops you know um and this would be true in sunderland this will be true in all i mean i saw a just-in-time explanation of what goes on at the nissan plant in sunderland and and the the margins are like minutes on there you you lose a minute somewhere and it could actually stop a conveyor belt halfway around the factory yeah i mean i'll give you an example i've picked up an urgent job out of stuttgart um and i had to give an update every hour where i was it was going to bagging and ford engine plant where they only build engines now um because it stopped i literally done a same-day delivery from stuttgart to dagenham non-stop when the referendum happened and the result came through what did you think would be in place by now two years later because this is if i've understood you correctly your livelihood's under threat right as we speak you know what james come on no but when that when that when that vote came in i cried oh god right i knew that everything i'd built up over the last 15 years of doing this job was going to be finished we are whether you like it or not we are a foreign owned production line in this country where we are owned by outside interests and we put things together we are not like germany where we own bmw you know where we are in audi we own vw we we we got bmw mini in oxford sunderland swindon honda you know they're all foreign owned and they're all here because they've got access to the single market and they've got the freedom of movement of goods where you do not need transit documents and you do not need car names and i i'll tell you and i'll give you another example please do exhibitions and services going to exhibitions if you go to norway or switzerland and you've got 100 brands worth of exhibition stuff in the back of your van you've got to pay 25 up front before it even goes into the country right yeah that will put people out of business overnight we've had to do it right why this isn't your field of expertise it's ostensibly mine but does it does it baffle you that that the coverage is so low and so confused because it's clear to you what's going on you hear politicians and obviously some of them on this radio station saying stuff about the customs union that's palpably absurd they're going unchallenged not really because of bias but because of ignorance this is your field of knowledge this is literally your specialist subject what i've been doing been calling out the liars on twitter yeah hurry goes out to switzerland for an hour stands at a border and says it's frictionless yeah people believe it i put a million pictures on there i put a picture of a transit document a carnate and a and a cmr form i said list me what those forms do how you fill them out and what they cost didn't get a reply who was that there was kate hurry yeah standing on a boarder crossing she got obviously five she went in and daniel has done taking a picture of himself somewhere as well and said it's all really easy pulled him out as well i called him out and called him a liar i've got actual pictures on my phone of going through the swiss border in basel and coming out at lake homo and i tell you now it's far from frictionless when you when you're going i'll tell you what swift the swiss border closes at five o'clock on a friday evening and reopens at nine o'clock on a monday morning good grief i can't enter with commercial goods yeah for people i don't want people to get confused it's in schengen so if you're on your holidays you can cross over to your heart's content but if yes yes yes you can as long as you get as long as you get your vignette you can cross but you still have to drive down the motorway that will end and drive underneath a big customs plaza with the police stand in there and you've still got a chance of getting stopped yeah and this unless your goods are running and what is called a carne right which is a passport for your goods if they go from multiple place to place they cost 650 pounds to compile i've done one yeah i've done one to norway 650 quid i had to go and pick it up from the department of trade in london and it took them a week to put together and my customers said you're never going to norway to do an extension again i don't know if i should do this but why did i'm late for the news you've blown the story wide open anyone who's doubting it first of all saying it's all my fault for um making these predictions and then i point out it's actually the government you do his is one genius saying oh yeah you've got your mate to phone in nice one this desperation people have to believe that the unicorns are coming it's quite incredible because this is you you run a haulage company you're not some remainer academic or some metropolitan you're a blinking van driver who's built up a business and now you're about to see it go down the toilet because of brexit well i am and i tell you what i need enough of that because my work's actually expanded but i'm scared to buy one because steve i'll be left with a van i've got to pay finance on and they're not cheap and i might lose my contract so what do i do i was in the us and canada with the international trade committee the week before last yeah um and it was interesting i examined greg hans as a trade minister in our committee yesterday and one of the things that i was pointing out was that some of the numerical assumptions that people have been making about um effectively they've been saying how little benefit there will be to the uk economy of potentially doing trade deals around the rest of the world just don't really stack up when you look at the numbers behind them but they have to be better than what we've currently got don't they well look it's it's um no no i won't look they just do because to in order to persuade people to do something you have to persuade them that they'll end up in a better place than where they started and you don't need me to remind you that donald trump donald trump's just announced a trade war well my position has always been that net net net things in the medium term would be effectively around the same as where they are now you know something about in the short term things will be a bit uh less than they were before and other things will be more would it be would it be would it be unfair of me to ask hang on a minute can can you refer me in any way to to pre-referendum pronouncements when you said things will be worse than they were before in some areas so when i um made a speech in the house of commons before the vote i was very careful to set out the net net effects there were some positives and some negative these would be these would be economic impact assessments wouldn't they so where are things going to be worse actually economics a lot of it wasn't economical we're talking about i'd listen i don't want this to get fractious because i am short of time but but i'm looking for reasons to be cheerful and saying that we can do more trade with a country that's just announced a trade war it's low on my dial of cheerfulness so for example the aussies when they did their free trade agreement with the us they vastly underestimated what that would be worth to them they've actually seen their trading increase by 50 percent but you lead me again to the question of how that is going to be better than what we've currently got i mean we can talk over each other until the cows come home but make up for any um extra costs of what we do with the you do know that australia is on the other side of the world and the european union has a land border with the united kingdom it's also a long way from the us yes it is but we're not the us and the us was never in the largest single market in the world and we're leaving it you say to benefit from being able to trade with australia while diminishing our ability to trade with germany so just just to give an example the 0.2 which the treasury has said is what the potential value of doing with the us doing a deal with the us might be is about 5 billion yes and and in the context of the european union well in your own government's impact assess your own government's impact market in the us rights over a trillion dollars of business every year that's just one sector that's because they don't have a health service there is huge huge opportunity that's because they don't have a health service health health is actually a pretty small proportion of that there's a there's a lot more in the process okay i'm grateful i'm grateful for the call if i was to annotate what you've told me and i am insisting that you obey the same rules as everybody else who rings the program reasons to be cheerful you've given me australia's trade deal with america being a bit better than they expected or even a lot better than they expect i don't want to put that words in your mouth that's what you've got marcus fish mp for yoga yeah okay thanks have a great day what do you do now elected members of parliament we're walking away both sides now conceded his own prime minister concedes is going to do is economic damage where are the pluses well america signed a trade deal with australia and it's gone a bit better than some people predicted i recently went self-employed a couple of years ago so it was a big thing voting brexit because i was building my business with client base etc um but i think it's all going to be short term um what what business are you in if you don't mind me asking um i'm a i'm a self-employed electrician um although we've checked we've we're getting bigger and bigger and as the weeks go by but you know what's going to be short term personal loss personal financial loss oh but they did to be fair before the vote they did tell you there wouldn't be any well i think well i wasn't i was never naive to the fact that there would be i mean i believe there would be um and i was willing to take that sacrifice just for the for the independence and the um just you know so we control our own laws i mean you know what i do now don't you what's that i ask you which law it is you're really looking forward to not having to obey anymore um any it no that's that's right anyway yeah any any yeah so give me one um the shape of bananas it's not funny is it well it it the pound's at the lowest it's been since 1985 and and you just said any law and i'm just asking you to name one we both know that bananas was a lie made up by boris johnson remind me which side he was on during the leave campaign well he was up for himself but that's that's not so what is the law actually because you didn't vote you knew you were going to take short-term economic damage you knew that all your customers would do as a newly formed electrician company every single customer in the country potentially is going to be worse off than they were before the vote so i'm just wondering what those laws are that you won't have to obey anymore that made you vote for this short-term economic hit well it wasn't the laws which was the main which was the main reason this is just the main reason you gave me wasn't it a minute ago yeah sorry it's there's no there's can you name one yet um i wouldn't be able to know so you voted so that you wouldn't have to obey these eu laws that you can't name no no it's it's more than that it's i mean well you you watch a bus you what you go to um brussels you watch the guys talking it's it's all very it's very political and it's so i mean they're they're throwing their toys out the pram because we you know the british people chose to leave um and you know it's it's like baking a cake taking it in to work and someone said they don't want a slice and you get all happy about it i mean it's it's we're trying to be we're trying to examine why you voted the way you voted because you now accept that it's going to cost you money you you hope in the short term i i hate to break it to you but we're not even going to be close to signing deals for years so that uncertainty that's affecting your balance book your your order book is going to continue indefinitely and then i ask you why you did it then why you accepted that hit to your own pocket and you say well because of all those laws that you can't name and then when i ask you what the real reason is you say because the eu is really political no well i mean i mean what what at what point this mirror that i'm holding up and that you're looking at at what point are you going to recognize what you're seeing in the reflection you're seeing a man who hasn't got an argument well i i believe the the argument is is there's there's multiple arguments immigration they've got controlled immigration but again it's not about it's not about you know i'm not xenophobic i you know i'm not totally multicultural got a family in america in in bermuda in in spain and all immigrants yeah well immigrants are fine you know it's there's nothing wrong you know they're the same as me and you looking for the best future for their family but it's not about that it's it's about the control it's about our pr our prime minister having not having to succumb to the eu saying that he can or she can't do and he said i mean it's the fact that we you know and that's fine i've got no beef with you if it's if immigration is all you've got then you're you're the cliche you're the walking cliche but what's interesting actually and i hope you won't take this the wrong way what's interesting is that you spend five minutes pretending that you've got proper political arguments or economic understanding and then as all of those claims fall away you're just left with foreigners no no definitely not how has immigration damaged your life would you say in its current form well well obviously being a being a trade immigration has has pulled prices no not not not and yet not not for electricians there's scant evidence that for completely unskilled labor it might have subjected some wage compression in the care home industry and maybe unskilled labor on working sites but there's actually a shortage of qualified electricians in this camp country which is probably why you've gone self-employed so it's not that is it yeah it's well plasterers club those electricians you're an electrician i'm asking all skilled labor is actually a shortage at the moment that's one of the reasons we can't build as many houses as we need to so just in terms of ashley and pinner and the damage that the uncontrolled mass immigration has done to your life just give me the headlines um walking walking through the city centre and seeing and seeing mobs of um of immigrants not willing to integrate not really walking through the centre of pinner and seeing mobs of immigrants not willing to immigrate not willing to integrate plymouth standby court okay not not pinner but yeah i mean how how how do you think leaving the european union is going to disperse those mobs actually i think we can we'll have more control over how but they're already here mate yeah but we'll have we'll have more control too they're here so those mobs that upset you so much as you walk through town and see these mobs of immigrants refusing to integrate now that we're going to leave the european union what's going to happen to the mobs um i believe that we can we can integrate them because we can we we you know we we have the choice and we have the the um the authority to do what we like without so when we passed so you've cast your vote because you don't want these people here in the numbers that they're hearing but you think that by doing that you're going to make them more amenable to integration and friendliness so you deliver a message to someone saying we don't like you and you think that makes them more likely to be your friend not it's not about liking anyone we you don't like the mobs in the middle of town do you no and that goes that goes with mobs of of englishmen as well you know it doesn't matter on race okay so it's got nothing to do with immigration then it's just mobs you don't like yeah i just don't like mobs and bananas yeah yeah and all those laws that you can't name bananas yeah let's just finish with a quick question when you said it's going to be a short-term economic hit how long is short term i think it's going to be under five years it's just like every single one of your customers is going to be worse off than they needed to be for half a decade and you're happy with that i'm happy yeah i'm happy with that all right mate let's not fall out and i hope the business goes i really do i hope it booms even though you voted to have fewer customers and less money in the pockets of the ones you've already got i actually think in order to negotiate um the um issue who's that shouting in the background it's my mum okay do you apologize that's all right it kind of goes with the territory for people who call themselves brexiteers doesn't it yes so basically in order to negotiate with those people who want second referendum why don't we make it more democratic by introducing a pr election at the same time right yes so we change our entire electoral system by the end of march well you know it's not going to happen but you know it's it's what do you think you won robert well what i would like is no what do you think you want what i won is uh basically our whole governance or the way that um the wealth uh controls our country no no what do you think what do you think you won well i'm just about to explain that i i want uh no not want one w-o-n what do you think um a slap in the government's face to show them that they uh that government's gone so what did you win well that government is a reform of the continuous politicians that are put forward in instead of actually giving people and let's have one more take a little pause and tell me what you think you want what a button yeah um i want to vote to leave the eu no i know that but what did you win what was the prize to actually undress our politicians if that's a better way to actually put it because it's even worse incredibly you almost deserve credit for that so you see what you want to undress our politicians and who's going to be in charge of brexit well um the way that they're dealing with brexit is not something i agree with because quite frankly i would be yeah now we're back no but now we're back to silly rhetoric aren't we and on ludicrous claims in terms of measurable tangible benefits what did you win what did i win i won a deregulated country what does that mean handy regularly well it means that we can strip away from the eu laws that we don't like for example and uh well for me one of the ones is um the plug system um i know it's not very uh hugely but we obviously use free plain plugs in this country yeah you don't and uh so basically it means that our safety aspects are a lot stronger than the generalization of the eu but we're in the u.s rather than going we're in the eu so you think we have to leave the eu to get three pin plugs no it's about going back to some of the things where we are stronger yeah go on talk talk me through the plugs things so what what what what can we do now with plugs that we can't do as members as well we can still do it but the manufacturer so what did you win compliancy to british law compliancy to british law yes right so when you bring something into this country it has to comply to the uk um that's what happens already that's why we've got three pin plugs you see and they have because rather than metal the eu sets the base level above which we are all free to go as the fact that we have gone proves mate just know pause for a minute and think about what you've just done you've come live on national radio yeah you've described yourself as a brexiteer you're getting told off by your mum in the background and when i've asked you what you think you've won you've said the right to have three pin plugs that we already have it's also it's half past ten on monday morning mate simon conway has the headlines i think he should introduce himself my name is dominic raab and i'm a touring i don't support the human rights act and i don't believe in economic and social rights yeah down with economic and social rights if you didn't have any economic and social rights what would happen to disabled and sick people with the work capability assessment napier university and harriet watt just released evidence about how it causes almost universal permanent heart damage it kills people i have friends who were institutionalized after going through it it is an act of violence and we are dying and this this election is life or death for us but the raw truth is the money's going to come from somewhere and it it's very it's very easy let him respond it's very easy and i can think of lots of things that i would uh like to avoid making difficult decisions on and lots of areas like the health service or schools i want to put even more money in but unless you've got a strong economy creating the revenue it's just a childish wish list we're trying to do our best to get the balance right between responsible public finances and investments crucial areas you choose to sacrifice tens of thousands of disabled people for the sake of that well i've heard the persecution of disabled and sick people called many many things and i've heard calls for to be stopped and properly funded called many things as well but i've never heard it called a childish wish list before crikey because you don't have to be disabled or sick to suffer from austerity the typical user of food bank is not someone that's languishing in poverty it's someone who has a cash flow problem episodically no it's true but that's what that is what the trust trust says it is um he was lying when he said that that claim had come from the trussell trust the trust said that while delays to benefit payments were one of the main reasons people turned to food banks such crises tended to be exacerbated by poverty and low pay which were also direct causes for many to seek assistance this came after research was published showing that there are at least 2 000 food banks in the uk being a bit unfair to dominic rob because he does actually understand some stuff you know all the people saying that we'll easily be able to leave the european union and have no checks at all on the irish border yeah that stuff we've got a bilateral relationship with ireland we're very close relationship we've also got the history of the troubles all of these things can be handled very sensitively but i think if not people could you if ireland obviously remains an eu member then eu nationals can travel there and then come into the uk without a passport if you're worried about border controls and security in front xr if you're worried about the effect of those eu rules you couldn't leave a back door without some kind either of cheques there with any country or assurances in relation to the checks that they're conducting are obviously otherwise everyone with ill will towards this country would go around that route but hang on a minute how could anybody campaign for brexit simultaneously acknowledge that we cheat need checks at the british border in ireland and also understand the objectives of the good friday agreement it's almost as if he'd never read the good friday agreement presumably he had done so before he actually started pontificating as secretary of state for leaving the european union presumably and since you had such a critical role as a role as the brexit secretary i presume that in battery hardware the belfast agreement please don't line up behind the immigration minister and tell us that you haven't read the agreement um i haven't sit down and start at the beginning and gone through it but of course at various points in the negotiations um when issues have been raised it has been an important opportunity to delve in to the different aspects but very carefully so which aspects of the so you haven't read the belfast agreement in its entirety i haven't sat down and gone from i've used it as a reference tool gosh so no social and economic rights looking after disabled and sick people is a childish wish list people using food banks have got cash flow problems you would need checks at the irish border but we should leave the european union anyway which suggests you haven't read the good friday agreement by the time you become secretary of state for leaving the european union you're pushed into a corner where you have to admit that you hadn't and i quote properly even though the words sound wrong you've never sit down and gone through it um crikey any sort of positives we agree to free movement of peoples it depends what you mean by full access to the single market i think we would not see any trade barriers go up because we're the fifth biggest economy in the world uh the um the european firms said 68 billion pounds more in goods and services than we do then look at the options being put out there swiss norwegian turkish i think because britain's economy is bigger than all of those economies combined and because the french car manufa french farmers german car manufacturers sellers 60 and 68 billion pounds more each year than we sell them we're very well placed and mutual self-interest suggests we'd cut a very good deal and there's an it's it's certainly not in the europeans interest to erect trade barriers wow i i mean seriously now is it possible that he could be more wrong about everything even if he woke up every morning and said today i am determined to be the most wrong person in wrong land dominic rob just being dominic rob would manage to be even more wrong presumably he he accepted at the time questions and criticisms of his analysis given that we now know his analysis was completely ridiculous i think there is a lot of uh project fear coming out almost like a scare story every day the cbi have said we'd have a high high-level ambitious free trade deal and even the prime minister has said it would be scaremongering to suggest otherwise cbi and indeed the tuc today of course have described in apocalyptic terms the no deal that rob for reasons i'm yet to fully understand has suddenly found himself in favor of i'm not the only one that doesn't understand things we want a bespoke arrangement on goods which recognizes the peculiar frankly geographic economic entity that is the united kingdom we are and i haven't quite understood the full extent of this but if you look at the uk and you look at how we trade in goods we're particularly reliant on the dover calais crossing well who'd have thought it hey and um i guess in his defense as he said on ian dale's program the other night he is the kind of person that really speaks up for ordinary working people except when he authored a book in 2012 which described british workers as among the worst idlers in the world in your usual irrational way that you're overstating the case and being totally unrealistic which well the case if you're having negotiations you know i prefer to talk would you let me say what i was going to say when you tell me what i've been irrational about yeah well i'm just about to if you'd let me get on with it well go on then thank you when you have negotiations the positions can't start off fixed and then remain fixed all the way throughout otherwise you'll never have negotiations how's barney moved that's right no i'm not would you just let me finish oh how's barney would you let me state my statement well you've already said something that's not true no no no i've you've got to allow me to develop my argument carry on therefore you develop away my view are you going to allow me to finish yes paul carry on thank you that that otherwise so what happens is this the uk position is that they want to preserve to free border with ireland that's it if the eu if if the eu are prepared to accept something like that in other words to modify their rules to suit the conditions of their own member state island that might happen if the eu show no intention of doing that then you have to move to plan b and for for johnson to conduct to a state what is the objective and that is an objective which is also a public objective and then and then deal with the alternatives if the eu aren't going to play ball it's just rational thinking and i don't see how anybody can expect anybody else to do otherwise well let's begin let's begin with your first step yes so let's begin with your first statement that it's a negotiation and that means everybody moves how is michelle barnier's position on the irish border change since he first laid it out 18 months ago i don't think it has changed but you just you just said it rationality on the eu part irrationality is a description of facts no well what i'm saying is that they eventually i know what you're saying paul i gave you lots of time to say it and now we're examining it so your first statement was that i had been irrational i i'm going to park my ego and not insist that you explain how that's going to be a big job for you absolutely it is so let's look instead of what you said about negotiations michelle barnier's position last week and last year was that if we leave the customs union in the single market there is no earthly way we can avoid having a hard border or moving the border to the sea you said that positions change during negotiations i would just give you one opportunity now to explain how his position has changed ever okay well i i agree with you formally there his position hasn't changed which shows that they aren't proper negotiations no it doesn't it shows that his position is is contractually uh binding it's the nature of the good friday agreement that says it cannot move well yes paul this isn't a matter of opinion this is a man i've allowed you to be rude to me and i've allowed you to insist on talking even though you've got nothing to say and i've allowed you to be personal so here is the question now okay how do you have identical economic conditions on both sides of the irish border are you asking me no paul i'm asking andy pandy okay so i thought you might have dropped me in from the conversation now well the point i'm the point i'm making is i don't i've heard your point the question is this how do you have identical economic conditions on both sides of the irish border how do you make that happen paul well you have you have some sort of compromise whereby as a sort you can't compromise the good friday agreement paul you have compromised an electronic border it is not beyond the wit of man for the eu and the uk to agree something which suits the special conditions of ireland so you've just reached for that magic wand now that says electronic border pole you don't know what you're talking about there's a solution to it and if you're saying there isn't a solution tell me what the solution is are you seated we should not leave the eu because of the irish border you tell me what the solution is paul are you suggesting that we cannot make on you because of the existence of the irish border i am telling you that we cannot sustain the good friday agreement and brexit in its current form without either building a border in ireland or moving oh paul my friend i'm sorry it's just going to carry on you can't expect 60 million people to have their future governed by a particular agreement you rang in to tell me that i was being irrational about the irish border and you conclude the conversation by saying actually you're absolutely right it's an utterly insuperable obstacle but it shouldn't stop us from leaving the european union because it involves some renegotiation of the good friday agreement yes have you read the good friday agreement have you read the bit about renegotiations in the good friday agreement the bit where it says it's a holding tactic let's get this straight let's get this straight what you're saying to the uk public is that we cannot leave the european union because of the existence of the good friday agreement no we cannot have a hard brexit that involves leaving the customs union and the single market because of the good friday agreement there's a thing that no let me tell you let me tell you james come on let's just follow this through no paul let's follow this through let's follow this through you carry on mate no you let's follow this through you're now saying is that the eu refused to change that to change their rules or to modify their rules to suit the special case of ireland and on that basis that means that the good friday agreement can't be changed and that means because the good friday agreement can't be changed the uk cannot leave the european union paul is a wonderful thing you haven't asked the question if you did i just said no you said is that what you're saying i said no does that work in your head as an answer does that work as in your head as an answer well good good so now no bull i'm going to insist on speaking now because here's what you've done okay you've phoned in to say that boris johnson is somehow embarked upon a very sophisticated and clever negotiating process you've ended up by acknowledging that there is no solution to the problems that the irish border presents that would involve retaining anything that remotely resembles what we've got now you've added to that the idea that somehow i'm suggesting we have to stay in the european union because of brexit because of the irish border which is simply not true and the only question i have for you is this how do you have identical economic conditions on both sides of the irish border after paul you have to listen to me because otherwise you just make all these weird noises and none of us ever learn anything the simple instruction is this identical economic conditions on both sides of the irish border one side is in the customs union and the single market one side is in neither now make that work paul no doubt that there can be arrangements which will allow describe one circumstance of those two describe them in the north of ireland to be settled describe them describe them it's whether people are willing to do it or not describe them well you know what uh that it's a technical issue describe it i'm clever i can keep up describe the circumstances in which you can make that work paul because i don't have to go through all the details of it but i don't want all the details paul i want one detail you can have an electronic board you can have the trade what does that mean what does that mean paul you can have it done electronically with a minimum whether how does an electronic border how does an electronic border test about it how does an electronic border test the milk to see whether or not it's infected or not how does an electronic body count the amount of barrels in the back of a lorry how does an electronic border know whether i've got guns in my boot milk isn't infected you don't have to test every all the milk all the time you do not all products come from wood not everything is tested all the time not every sample is tested because there's no border there now paul everything i've said is true no it's not you're making it up you're putting extreme positions unyielding positions let me ask you again paul how is the border how are we going to have identical economic conditions on both sides of the irish border when one side is in the customs union incompatible that's all you have to have is compatibility some degree of compromise of course you can do it and it's a question of belief you're absolutely certain it can be done but you have no idea how to do it of course it can be done how well i've just told you you have it as even as exactly i'm sorry it's you're inventing the difficulties because you you because uh i'm inventing the difficulties that boris johnson described as unthinkable economic and political of course no that was that was that was because that is a uk negotiation because that's what they want the that's what they want the eu to agree to but the eu are not yielding on it therefore we have to move to plan b and what's plan b again well plan b is some form of electronic border okay let's let's just agree on that where the electronic border is the new unicorn am i right what yes it's 1048. phil's in exmouth bill what would you like to say actually jane wrote an apology by their fellow oh i i was wrong come on i was wrong i was wrong i was wrong and i think you're absolutely right i think that um you know i you know i'm an old-fashioned get really i suppose i i we've spoken before yeah we've spoken before you know and uh do you know what you were right i was wrong for something so for some reason for some reason for some reason i thought we were better off and clearly i was wrong well don't beat yourself up bill mate listen to all the people that told you we would be i've spent the whole morning telling them they've been whispering in your ear not just for two and a half years for 30 years i was wrong i am so sorry oh bellman come on oh my god to my country i'm so sorry bill bill bill there's 17.4 million people you can't take all the blame on your own shoulders my friend come on and look at the effort these people are billionaires they own the ritz bill they own the daily telegraph they wouldn't have spent all that money and put all that effort into trying to persuade you to act against your own interest if they didn't think it was plausible i'm not going to let you blame yourself bill all right do not blame yourself i'm sorry james don't be sorry be angry all right and if you're not angry yet i'll get angry on your behalf that that right there that's why i've been doing what i've been doing for the last two and a half years philip is in san batch in cheshire phillip is that what happened yesterday hello hello uh actually i think you are you're distorting the whole issue of brexit we the electorate were asked by mps for a very clear insight i have been over this quite a few times can we confine ourselves to what happened in the house of commons yesterday yes uh i think basically uh those uh those conservative mps who are rebelling are are traitors they are betraying but but they're just asking for the right to vote on something in the event that it's appalling no no not at all no what is it though they they received a very clear mandate no i i appreciate that but we're talking about what happened yesterday very very specifically here's what i think philip and then you can pick it apart okay but let's do let's deal in the specifics they have posited the notion and we will keep it theoretical for the purposes of our conversation they've posited the notion that the prime minister is not going to be able to um conjure up anything that isn't demonstrably and considerably inferior to our current arrangements if that becomes clear they want the right to say whoa stop it and the government or the parliamentary majority and people like you don't want them to have the right to put the brakes on if it becomes absolutely obvious that we're driving into a brick wall now what's wrong with that analysis do you think yes because the alternative they're suggesting would keep us in the eu by the backstory no no but that's not what happened in i'm talking very specifically about what happened in the house of commons yesterday they say we must have the right to apply the break if it becomes absolutely obvious that we're driving into a into a burning building and you say no even if we're driving into a burning building we must not have a break yes i agree because yeah i thought you might actually yes if the prime minister can't come you did you did hear the words that came out of my mouth i said if we're driving into a burning building philippine sambach doesn't want us to not only apply the break he doesn't want us to even have a break if brexit means falling off a cliff edge so be it i salute your honesty philip i salute your honesty that's what we voted for absolutely we voted to fall off a cliff edge and to drive into a burning building no you're right we did can i is there any way we can prove that you rang in um of your own volition that you're not an actor that you haven't been put up to this or because i'm now going to get bombarded with emails saying i'm going to get bombarded with emails saying oh carefully hand-picked and filtered from all the cowards who haven't got the guts to ring in themselves can we prove that you're real yes yes yes how about the brexiteer well i know that philip because i speak to people like you every day but but other people aren't quite as honest as you are and they still think that there's an intelligent analysis of the stuff you've just said i stood i stood for you give four times there you go hand a bit you see you keeper about bingo the real deal what did you vote for we voted for for payne and oblivion and just talk me through the positives the things that when i put on the scales that we're going to be poorer that we're not going to be able to trade with the largest single market in the world that we're going to be damaged well the outgoing head of the cbi says that large parts of the car industry today are going to go extinct if we don't stay in the customs union so i put all that on the scales on this side all the measurable materials mentioned you haven't mentioned immigration exactly that so you put you put on the other side the stuff that really makes it all worthwhile go immigration is the greatest threat that's faced us yes since the second world war it is immigration absolutely immigration leads to third world ghettos it does yes that that's that's that's creating the enemy within right you are that's why yes that's why we voted to leave it is yes ghettos and the enemy within yes so you talk you're talking about ghettos of of continental european people like sort of little venice the the open door to europe is also an open door to the rest of the world but it isn't mo is it do you mean it isn't we we've had twenty thousand somalis come to britain via the netherlands right we and how many of them are in san batch oh sandbatch is 98 white british well i guess i suppose so my my neighborhood fortunately hasn't yet been affected no but around the southeast around the southeast yes what you have essentially are suspects suspects third world cultures do you know where i quite like to go i live in the south east do you do you know where they are london is the worst example obviously i'm actually in the middle of london at the moment and you're in sandbach and you're telling me that what i can see out of my own window is is what is it an illusion in most most london barrels well go on to talk me through which ones uh in most london go on which ones have you been to like lambert etc where the archbishop of canterbury lived whites white whites are actually in a minority in a minority contains no countries that are not majority white that's not the point that's not the point what is what is the point the point the point is where you've got these large immigrant ghettos yeah like in lambeth their own within their own cultures within their own cultures of french people and italians and spanish framework we end up with with social with um with chaos right and so and and a lack of social cohesion we do a lack of social cohesion what does cohesion mean philip it means it means neighbors neighborhoods coming together and communities coming together as long as they're not brown subscribing i happen to be an east african asian myself of course you do feel it of course you do and and do you live in a ghetto no i've chosen to live in a town that's 98 percent white british right you are and are you the enemy within i'm an assimilationist no can you prove that you're not the enemy within philip a few of us james prove it a few of us have chosen to assimilate and there you have it just just for the record you are 100 real philip and you've rang up entirely of your own volition and you're not an actor or a stooge or anything like that you're a full-time ukip candidate am i right or am i right i i i stood four times for you kip i'm no longer a member i'm an executive okay mate four times for you kip have a great day it's 21 minutes after 10. so when the when the vote is um lost tonight by the prime minister and we go back to brussels and ask them to do what they've said in very clear terms they're not prepared to do um what happens then well there's then a choice for the european union as much as there is for us whether we leave with a different deal or whether we leave without one because that's what the law provides for sorry say that again the european union get to decide what happens to us no there is a choice for both of us that's not what you said no i said there's a choice for both of us either we have a new deal which both sides are then willing to accept or we leave without you so that's the option now the european union if they're telling the truth when they say that we're not going to renegotiate anything we leave without a deal but this is a negotiation so when people say this is our bottom line it very rarely is but time will tell how much time have we got uh we've got what is it 73 days yes so you think in the next 73 days the european union are going to change the negotiating position that has been more or less constant for the last 12 months in reality i think it's more likely that we leave without an agreement on wta terms so that goes back to what we were discussing before it does so you're advocating for no deal that's what you believe is the most likely outcome what one believes is most likely and what one is advocating for not necessarily the same thing what is one advocating i would be in favor of a deal but if that proves impossible there is nothing to be fearful about uh leaving on wta terms okay and all the people that say there's a lot to be fearful of like the national farmers union and the governor of the bank of england and the cbi you you can see what they can't see which is well the cbi has got everything wrong in its history it wanted to destroy the euro wanted to destroy the exchange rate i think that's what you just call the red herring or something isn't it so the question is what can you see that they can't see what i would say is that you should judge people by their previous track records well i am why haven't you taken down that tweet from the sun about what terrace really means because the sun withdrew it and it's still on your twitter account so i'm judging you by your track record judge away the governor of the bank of england said we'd have a technical resection thank you so much fortunately you're not part of the judiciary uh the governor of the bank of england said we would have a technical recession purely on a vote to believe the question is what can you see that they can't see and you know that the governor i mean this is so disingenuous the governor of the bank of england dedicated himself on the morning after the vote to making his own predictions not come true but you know this you just know that if you say it in a plausible and persuasive fashion people will continue to believe you despite the fact that you've led them to the precipice of a no deal brexit which even you know deep down will be disastrous unless you can answer this question what is it you can see that they can't you're you're trying to get up to the uh hysterical tribe i think sorry we can postpone the adverts what can you see that all of the people who warn against coming out with no deal can't see i can see what they've got wrong before and why not asking about the past i'm asking about the future what can you see that they can't see the past is a very useful guide to future because you can see why people are making the judgments the cbi protects incumbent interests and therefore it always goes for things that are not for the consumer interest but the producer interest the government bank of england is a deeply politicized figure who has been anti-brexit from the moment it was uh proposed what can i see i can see the opportunities of cheaper food clothing and footwear helping most of all the income absolutely nobody's agreeing with terrorists absolutely nobody agrees with the even even the summer economy is exciting it's a great opportunity model of the european union which has the euro and high unemployment and even germany going into recession it is a wonderful opportunity for our nation you should rejoice and be proud at the end of this conversation so i'll ask you one final time the economic modeling that you rely upon has been discredited so badly that even the sun withdrew it why do you persist that's not true and the advice i take is from economists for free trade and patrick minford who has the best track record of almost any forecaster you can find in this uh country and that cutting tariffs does cut prices patrick minford let me just write that down patrick minford has the best reputation for economic forecasting he got the exchange rate mechanism right he got the euro right his record in this in this field gordon brown right so jacob rees-mogg is the gentleman that said for brexit to succeed agriculture and industry will be decimated in this country but he said that and he's the manual sighting that actually it will be an opportunity for us no no no but we need to be clear he's the manual sighting and those are his words you're taking one very selective quotation from him he's actually saying that there's a real economic competition did he or did he not say that and we'll get fast did he or did he not say the manufacturing industry and agriculture would be more or less destroyed you've got what he said uh in the full context of the economic growth that we will did he or did he not say that agriculture and industry would be destroyed i think you as i referred the answer i've just given you well i'd like to yes or no did he or did he not say it you might like all sorts of things did he or did he not say extraordinarily selective so he did somebody who has forecast so he said he has forecast correctly on the exchange rate mechanism on the euro and the opportunities that come from cutting the barriers to trade which have worked in your favorite economic forecaster explaining which of the agriculture and industry would be destroyed by brexit you're completely exaggerating a comment that uh he made so he did say it what you're saying is inaccurate you're trying to spin something that's mine when he points to it is indeed yes it's your reputation absolutely but it's a fine one and it makes good listening yes so you're not going to answer the question i've answered many of your questions but here's the last one did patrick menford your economic forecast i've already answered that one i've told you you're doing the classic thing of taking some assistance selectively and out of context to make a wrong point okay so did he say it or not i've just answered your question i refer you to what i said a moment ago well just remind my listeners did he say it or not they were paying more attention than you i heard you say that he'd been quoted which would suggest he did say it but you haven't answered my question except obliquely so demand that you cite as an economic forecaster to be true i'm so classically inaccurate i've answered your question really not in the way i'm very grateful for your time well no i asked a question that admits a yes or no answer and you haven't provided a yes or no answer so we can at least end on a tone of agreement you didn't answer the question in the way that i wanted to and we both know why i live in harrow yeah when i go down to harrow and this is not being racist james because that that term is so easily used and very loosely used when i go down to harrow and i've lived here for 30 years i walk into harrow shopper center and i swear to god i don't know where i am i've got polish romanians bulgarians sitting outside coffee houses doing soda all day i've got every nationality under the sun and i've and it's lost its identity when i go into norfolk park hospital and i went in there three sundays ago because i had to go in an emergency i walked into the into the accident emergency as i said to your to a researcher 120 people in there i was lucky if i saw three or four white faces it's okay if you live now that is racist no no that last bit is it's realistic no no it isn't because you're you're you're forming an opinion of people or their or their value based on their color there are people who don't have white faces who are just as british as you and me steve perhaps there are james but if you know they all are you and that's namely the european union steve may let's not do this let's do it nicely just tell me the european union country that is populated by non-white people shouldn't tell you we'll have a go have a little think say the question again the european union countries because we're talking about your reasons for leaving the european union and then you mention the fact that there weren't any white people in northwick past hospitals so which european union countries are essentially non-white probably none so why are you talking about those people then all right all right let's let's backtrack yeah let's mate i'm happy to let you do that no let's backtrack but it is still it is still a valid point james not in the context of a conversation about the european union steve yeah and i'm afraid that if you are judging people according to their skin color then you are and i i say this with love and reluctance then you are indulging in racial prejudice but but james is so i don't care what color you are i don't say i'm never going to say to beth at the end of the program we had too many black people on today or we had too many white people on today but it's not all about it's not all about um white people by english people we're going off tangentially i know you did mate i'm just reigning you back in again so crack on all about it's not all about the racist issue it's just about the fact that the country has lost its identity what does that mean and that well what does it mean it means that what i've just said that you don't you've just said that you don't like seeing brown faces at the hospital okay no is it is it right then james let's give another example right i might be digging myself a big hole but i'll pull you out mate i promise right but the point i'm trying to make if you if you went down to my local and i'll give you an absolute point here if you went down to my local supermarket i won't name which one it is okay yeah and one of my sons tried to get a job down or two of my sons tried to get a job down there in a few years when they were in between university and going into it going from college to university at one point james there was 23 tills open and 22 of them okay uh indians or pakistani people we're talking about the european union steve no but what i'm trying to say to james is this is where it's all coming from and when i mentioned this to the manager okay the manager said to me we have to reflect the local community and the point i'm trying to make change and you're you're you're trying to uh it's your own degree defend me but to attack me is is that right james that is why people have voted out of europe because we've got too many brown people on the tools in harrow no it's not about having too many but when i was what is it then steve just can't make slow down a little bit because because if you're not complaining about there being too many brown people why do you keep talking about the number of brown people in the hospital and the number of brown people in the supermarket but the reason i'm the reason i'm saying that is james is because that is why people voted to leave europe because of of great britain i don't disagree with him no it's not because of great britain losing its identities because people are frightened of brown people no it's not about it no change what difference does it make to me just help me out here because i can kind of get my just because i work on the phones every day so i have no idea what color anybody is i could steve stop talking stop talking just for a moment my friend all right why does it matter to you what color the person that you buy your milk off is well it doesn't matter the color that i want the person i buy my milk off uh james but what the point i'm trying to make is why people voted out of europe i'm not arguing with you they voted out europe because they think there's too many brown people in their hometown is it is it is it unfair then james to say that when i mention what i said about the local supermarket that and the hospital i'm told and the hospital but let's go to the supermarket when i am told that we have to reflect the local community is that not racist james no steve you

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