HAPPEN. IT WOULD HAVE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES. JOINING ME NOW TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER TOPICS IS THE FORMER FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY IS THE AUTHOR OF THE NEW CRIME NOVEL WESTPORT OUT JUST THIS WEEK. >> GOOD TO SEE. WE'LL TALK ABOUT YOUR SECOND BOOK IN THE TRILOGY IN A MOMENT. BUT FIRST OF ALL, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF ALL OF REPORTING IN THIS CLAIMS OF THE FBI POTENTIALLY ASSASSINATING DONALD TRUMP. >> IT'S SO KNOTS THAT IF I TRIED TO PUT IT IN THE NEXT BOOK, THE EDITOR WOULD STRIKE IT OUT AND SAY COME ON. WHO WOULD BELIEVE THAT? AS YOU SAID TO YOUR VIEWERS, IT'S THE STANDARD PART OF EVERY OPS ORDER TO REMIND THE AGENTS OF THESE ARE THE RULES THAT GOVERN HOW WE CONDUCT OURSELVES. SAME IN EVERY CASE, WHETHER IT'S A DRUG CASE OR YOU'RE SEARCHING SOME POLITICIANS LOCATION AND SOME OF THEM ARE CLAIMING WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO CONCEAL YOUR WEAPONS WRITER WEARING POLO SHIRTS. >> WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THAT THAT ACTUALLY CUTS THE OTHER WAY? THAT WAS AN UNUSUAL PART OF THE OPS ORDER TO TRY AND MAKE SURE IT WAS A LOW OF IS SEARCH THAT WOULDN'T ATTRACT ATTENTION, EMBARRASSMENT. PRESS NOTICE THEY WERE TRYING TO KEEP QUIET. GET. THERE'S A POLL THAT JUST CAME OUT THAT SAYS THAT AMERICANS HAVE A 75% FAVORABLE OPINION OF POLICE, BUT JUST A SET. 57 1% FAVORABLE OPINION OF THE FBI IN MY VIEW, IT'S A GOOD THING THAT'S STILL A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS DO THE FBI FAVORABLY. BUT WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE GAP THERE? I'M NOT SURE I MY INSTINCT IS PART OF IT HAS TO BE DO TO THE FLAME THROWER. THE DONALD TRUMP AND HIS NEIGHBORS HAVE AIMED AT THE FBI FOR THE LAST. I DON'T 7, 8, YEARS. AND EVERY TIME IT SEEMS CHRIS RAY GOES IN FRONT OF CONGRESS. HE'S ASKED ABOUT THESE ISSUES HERE GIVE YOU A LITTLE EXAMPLE OF OF WHAT CHRIS RAY HAS SAID IN RESPONSE. AND THE IDEA THAT I AS A REPUBLICAN APPOINTEE, A LIFELONG REPUBLICAN AND BIASED IN THE WAY THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. >> WE MAKE IT. I MEAN, CHRIS WRAY HAS BEEN CONSTANTLY UNDER FIRE, PARTICULARLY FROM THE RIGHT, YOUR FORMER REPUBLICAN YOURSELF SAYING THAT HE IS OUT TO GET REPUBLICANS. >> ANOTHER THING THAT WILL BE STRICKEN FROM YOUR NOVEL IF YOU TRIED TO PUT IT IN THE FBI FOLLOWS THE FACTS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE BUREAU DOESN'T HAVE FRIENDS IN HIGH PLACES. IF YOU'RE A POLITICIAN, YOU CAN'T TRUST THE FBI. IF YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING SHADY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO TRACK IT DOWN, NO MATTER WHAT PARTY YOU'RE AFFILIATED WITH. JUST LOOK AT THE RECORD OF WHO'S BEEN CHARGED WITH FEDERAL CORRUPTION OFFENSES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. THE BUREAU IS IN A POLITICAL ORGANIZATION AND IT'S GOOD FOR TO DEFEND IT. EXPRESSES FRUSTRATION. DO THINK THAT THIS IS IMPACTING MORALE. >> AT THE FBI, THESE CONSTANT ATTACKS. KNOW IT IS BECAUSE I TALK TO PEOPLE THERE. OF COURSE, WHEN PEOPLE GOOD PEOPLE INTERNALIZE THESE LIES, THEY HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN ECHOED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP'S MILES FROM LOTS OF OTHER MOUNDS. >> AND THEY TAKE IT ON BOARD. THEY THINK ALL THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE LAMAR LAGO SEARCH. THAT'S THAT'S DISPIRITING FOR PEOPLE IN THE FBI BECAUSE THESE ARE OUR NEIGHBORS, THE FBI'S EVERY COMMUNITY IN THIS COUNTRY, THEY GO TO BALL GAMES THERE COOKOUTS AND THEY HEAR THIS NONSENSE ECHOED BACK AT THEM. AND THAT'S PAINFUL. >> LET ME SWITCH TOPICS FOR A IF YOU HAD BEEN THE MANHATTAN DA WHO ARE FORMER TOP PROSECUTOR IN NEW YORK, NOT THE MANHATTAN DA, BUT IN ANOTHER ROLE WOULD YOU HAVE BROUGHT THE HUSH MONEY CASE? >> I WASN'T SURE THAT I WOULD HAVE WHAT I READ THE INDICTMENT. BUT NOW HAVING SEEN THE CASE, I'M NOT SURE AFTER INVESTIGATING HOW THEY WOULDN'T BRING IT. THEY HAD A MUCH STRONGER CASE THAN I IMAGINED AND THEY BE TAKING A PASS ON IT BECAUSE OF WHO THE DEFENDANT WAS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEVER WANT TO DO AS A PROSECUTOR. WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE FED'S, INCLUDING THE BIDEN DOJ TOOK A PASS ON IT AND YOU WOULD THINK THAT PARTICULAR WHEN IT COMES TO THE ELECTION PIECE OF THIS. >> THAT THAT IS TYPICALLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TRIED IN A FEDERAL COURT. YEAH, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. AND SO LIKE REALLY DON'T KNOW. COULD BE ALL KINDS OF REASONS THAT I CAN SEE INTERNAL TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WHEN GOING TO HAPPEN. I CAN'T IMAGINE WILL BE ANYTHING BUT A HUNG JURY. BUT THAT JUST MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE A DIFFERENT TAKE. IS THERE'S AN OVERWHELMING CHANCE OF A CONVICTION, A SIGNIFICANT BUT MUCH SMALLER CHANCE OF A HUNG JURY AND 0 CHANCE OF AN ACQUITTAL. WHAT WISER ATTENTION. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT'S MORE OF A CHANCE OF A CONVICTION, THEN THAT A HUNG JURY BECAUSE THEY BUILT A VERY STRONG CIRCUMSTANTIAL CASE. THEY BUILT BUILDING OUT OF A SERIES OF BRICKS THAT REALLY COULDN'T BE CROSSED BECAUSE THEY WERE DOCUMENTS. THEY WERE TAX. THEY WERE THE WORDS OF THE DEFENDANT BEFORE THEY WENT TO THEIR COOPERATE. AT THE END, I BET THEY EVEN DEBATED WHETHER THEY NEEDED TO CALL. COHEN IS A COOPERATOR AND THAT CIRCUMSTANTIAL CASE BASED MY EXPERIENCE, HAVING TRIED A LOT OF CASES IS VERY, VERY POWERFUL WITH THE JURY. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF CASE RIGHT, THAT THE TYPICAL LEGAL ANALYSIS THAT I END UP DOING ON TYPICAL CASES DOESN'T APPLY. >> HERE THAT THAT THE QUESTIONS THAT JURORS MAYBE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE EVALUATING LIKE. ARE WE REALLY HERE OVER A PAYOUT TO A STAR WITH THE FORMER PRESIDENT KNIGHTED STATES WHO'S NOW THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE. I'M SITTING HERE. THIS IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. I THINK THAT MAY FACTOR INTO SOME OF THE JURORS THINKING EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT WHAT THE JUDGE IS GOING TO INSTRUCT THEM. >> MAYBE MY GUT TELLS ME AND A LOT OF EXPERIENCE THAT THEY'LL BE IMPRESSED WITH THE WAY IN WHICH THE PROSECUTION CONNECTED TO BROADER THEMES TO ELECTION 2, THE TRUMP'S NEED, ACCORDING TO THE PROVED TO SUPPRESS INFORMATION TO CONCEAL FROM THE VOTERS. THAT KIND OF STUFF RINGS LOUD. I THINK IN THE MINDS OF PUBLIC-SPIRITED CITIZENS THAT WHEN YOU'RE ON A JURY PUBLIC SPIRIT JUST FLOWS THROUGH YOU. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT TO BE A CONVICTION. >> YOU WROTE IN YOUR BOOK THAT YOU DID NOT THINK THAT BIDEN SHOULD PURSUE FEDERAL PROSECUTION OF DONALD TRUMP. HE SAID NO MATTER HOW COMPELLING THE ROAD MAP OR HOW POWERFUL THE EVIDENCE STREWN ACROSS THIS HISTORY OF STARS AND FINANCIAL FRAUD LATER, YOU ACTUALLY SUGGESTED BIDEN SHOULD CONSIDER PARDONING HIM TO STAND BY THAT. I DON'T FEEL THAT WAY NOW BECAUSE THAT WAS BEFORE JANUARY, THE 6TH OR THE MAR-A-LAGO CASE. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DON'T PURSUE THOSE CASES, BUT I WAS ATTRACTED THEN HONESTLY, STILL HIM TO THE IDEA THAT WOULDN'T BE GOOD IF WE COULD GET THIS DEMAGOGUE OFF OF CENTER STAGE. I READ A PIECE BY FORMER CIA COUNTER INSURGENCY PERSON WHO SAID THE FIRST THING 30 PROGRAMMING A COLD IS GET THE THE PROGRAM OR TO THE CORNER SO YOU CAN THEN HAVE LET PEOPLE ESCAPE THE FOG OF LIES. IT WILL BE A WHOLE LOT BETTER IF WE WEREN'T SEEING DONALD TRUMP EVEN IN THE MANHATTAN CASE ON OUR SCREENS EVERY DAY. >> IT MUST BE ON BEING JAMES COMEY. I'M LISTENING TO SAY THIS AND THINKING, OH, THE RIGHT IS GOING YOU KNOW, BE INFURIATED BY WHAT JAMES COMEY SAYING RIGHT NOW. AND THEN I THINK ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THE LEFT ARE FURIOUS AT AT JAMES COMEY ABOUT REOPENING THE HILLARY CLINTON INVESTIGATION 11 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION. THEY BELIEVE THAT YOU HANDED THE ELECTION TO DONALD TRUMP DO YOU FEEL LIKE A MAN WITHOUT A WITHOUT A COUNTRY? I DON'T FORGET ABOUT >> FIRST, I DON'T CARE THAT MUCH. WHAT THE THE ENDS OF OUR BELL CURVE THINK THEY'RE IN SUCH BUBBLES AND EACH THINK SOME OF THE OTHER TEAMS SIDE, I THINK THE WHOLE SWATH OF PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE WHO HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE WAY IN WHICH THE FBI CONDUCTS ITSELF WHO FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT IT. AND APART FROM THAT, MY FAMILY LOVES ME. I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE DECISIONS I MADE. YOU HAVE ANY REGRETS MEAN NOW YOU EVEN MENTIONED YOU'VE KIND OF CHANGED YOUR VIEW IN PART BASED ON THINGS THAT HAPPENED. BUT IN PART, BASED ON LOOKING BACK ON IT. >> ANYTHING YOU LOOK BACK ON NOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT HE WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY. >> OH, NUMBER OF SMALL THINGS, BUT NOT ON THE BIG DECISIONS THAT I FACED. A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION EVEN THROUGH ALL THE LENS OF TIME. I DON'T SEE IT DIFFERENTLY. I COULD NOT CONCEAL FROM THE CONGRESS, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT WE HAD REOPENED THAT INVESTIGATION AFTER TESTIFYING UNDER OATH ALL SUMMER. THAT WORD AND YOU CAN IGNORE US. WE'RE DONE. WE'RE DONE. WE'RE DONE NOW. WE KNOW WE'RE NOT DONE AND THE RESULT MAY CHANGE. HOW DO I CAN SEE ALL THAT SO I DON'T FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THE MAJOR DECISION? I HATED IN THE MOMENT WE'RE INVOLVED AND THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. AND INCLUDING THE COMING OUT. >> WHEN YOU MADE THE DECISION NOT TO CHARGE AND GIVING VERY SPECIFIC ACCOUNTS AND CRITICAL OF HILLARY CLINTON RIGHT THING TO DO. >> YEAH. INCONSISTENT WITH DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TRADITION WHICH YOU'VE ACTUALLY SEEN SINCE THEN OF OFFERING TRANSPARENCY IN CASES WHERE THE DETAILS MATTER TO FOLKS CONFIDENCE THAT THE SYSTEM IS ACTED. JUSTLY. >> SOME ON THE ON THE LEFT HAVE THE RELEASE OF YOUR OCTOBER 2016 LETTER ANNNOUNCING REOPENING THE INVESTIGATION TOO. ROBERT, REPORT ON ON JOE BIDEN. THE POINT BEING THAT IN BOTH INSTANCES >> PROSECUTOR ENDED UP DISCLOSING WHAT THE LEFT WOULD ARGUE IS IRRELEVANT INFORMATION IN AN EFFORT TO ROBERT HERZ CASE HURT JOE BIDEN IN YOUR CASE TO HURT HILLARY CLINTON? FAIR COMPARISON. NO, A NUMBER OF LEVELS. FIRST I WROTE A 2 SENTENCE LETTER TO THE CHAIRS AND RANKINGS OF THE COMMITTEES. RIGHT TESTIFIED UNDER OATH. WE WERE DONE. >> AND MISTER, HER ISSUED A DETAILED REPORT. SO IT'S HARD TO COMPARE THOSE 2 THINGS WHAT YOU MAKE OF THE SAMUEL ALITO CONTROVERSY. THE FACT TURNS OUT THAT HE HAS HOUSE HAD AN UPSIDE DOWN FLAG. HE SAYS IT WAS HIS RIGHT AFTER JANUARY 6. AND NOW WE LEARNED IN THE LAST DAY IF THERE WAS ANOTHER FLAG THAT HAS BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH JANUARY 6, THAT WAS AT ANOTHER HOUSE. THE HAD YOU THINK HE SHOULD HAVE TO RECUSE HIMSELF FROM CASES INVOLVING DONALD TRUMP? >> I DON'T KNOW. IT'S CONCERNING. THE UPSIDE DOWN FLAG IS CONFUSING AND CONCERNING THIS LATEST FLAG. I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN EXTREMIST FLAG-WAVING BUT IS ALSO CONCERNING. I JUST THINK HE OUGHT TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT HE DID BEFORE, WHICH IS ACCOUNT FOR. SO WHY IS THIS THERE AND HOW DOES THIS CAN IS THIS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR ROLE AS A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE ISSUE OF AND ANY THOUGHTS ON WHETHER CLARENCE THOMAS SHOULD HAVE TO RECUSE BASED ON HIS WIFE'S INVOLVEMENT IN JANUARY 6? NO, NO, NO USEFUL THOUGHTS. THOUGHTS OF PROBABLY WANT TO SHARE IN NEXT. PERKINS, YOU CAN. YOU HAVE ACCESS TO PLENTY OF SMART PEOPLE KNOW THE STANDARD BETTER THAN I. >> BEFORE WE TALK YOUR YOUR BOOK YOU JUST BIG PICTURE. I THINK I ASKED YOU THIS YEARS AGO, BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU AGAIN, IN ADDITION TO A MAN WHO WROTE GREAT NOVELS, WHAT ARE YOU HOPING THAT YOUR YOUR LEGACY WILL BE? WELL, THAT'S EASY. >> THAT I WAS A GREAT FATHER, HUSBAND AND GRANDFATHER. THE REST IS NOT IMPORTANT TO ME. IT. I KNOW WHO I WANT TO HAVE BEEN AND I I MIND MY GRANDCHILDREN EVERY WEEK. AND THAT MATTERS TO ME IS THE REASON I DEDICATED THIS BOOK TO THEM. THAT'S WHO WANT TO BE REMEMBERED BY. WHAT ABOUT TO BE REMEMBERED AS >> YOU ARE DISCUSSING THIS BOOK? IT'S CALLED WESTPORT. IT IS THE SECOND IN A TRILOGY. SAME PER TAG. BEFORES. LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BOOK COULD BE USE YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE, OBVIOUSLY IN WHAT YOU DID TO CREATE THE PROTAGONIST AND THE DETAILS IN THE BOOK. OH, YEAH, OF COURSE. IN ATTACKING U.S. DOES INSPIRED BY MY >> GIRLS, ESPECIALLY MY OLDEST DAUGHTER WHO IS A FEDERAL PROSECUTOR RIGHT NOW. AND SO I PICTURE THEM WHEN I WRITE THAT CHARACTER, WHICH MAKES IT EASY. WE HAVE TRIED TO PEOPLE KNOW BETTER THAN I'VE SAID, WRITE WHAT YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE WRITING FICTION. SO I TRY TO DRAW MY ACTUAL EXPERIENCES AND TAKE PEOPLE IN IN A WAY THAT I THINK WILL BE GREAT SUMMER READING, TAKE THEM INSIDE A A MURDER AND A FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT COMPANY. YEAH. TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT THE DIFFERENCES IN BECAUSE THIS IS A CONTINUATION FROM THE FIRST BOOK. A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT THE FIRST BOOK WAS AND HOW THIS IS A FOLLOW-UP FROM THE FIRST BOOK IS A MOB INVESTIGATION BOOK WERE NORCARLTON IS HANDLING A MOB CASE. >> WITH HER PARTNER, A GRUFF, ENORMOUS BROOKLYN BORN MAFIA INVESTIGATOR. ALSO BASED ON ONE OF MY LONGTIME FRIENDS. >> AND THE 2 OF THEM STRUGGLED ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS IN THAT CASE. SHE GETS SO BURNED OUT THAT SHE MOVES TO THE SUBURBS AND GOES TO WORK FOR A LARGE HEDGE FUND AS THEIR GENERAL COUNSEL AND IN THE NOT GIVE ANYTHING AWAY YOUR ONE OF HER COLLEAGUES FOUND MURDERED AND THE EYE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT FALLS ON HER AND SHE HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO NAVIGATE THAT IN A WAY THAT I THINK IS PRETTY TWISTY AND WILL BE INTERESTING TO PEOPLE. AND THERE'S A 3RD COMING AS WELL UPCOMING NEXT SPRING. IT'S A DOMESTC TERRORISM BASED. >> SHE'S BACK IN MANHATTAN RETURNS TO GOVERNMENT AND IT IS GRAPPLING WITH SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OF THE FBI'S WORK AGAINST WHAT THE FBI WILL CALL WHITE IDENTITY EXTREMISM. SO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, THE BOOK IS CALLED THE I WANT TO ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION MAKE SURE WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THE BOOK A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST A BIG PICTURE ON THE POLITICAL FUTURE OF THE OF THE COUNTRY. YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ELECTION? VERY MUCH. YEAH. I THINK THIS ELECTION IS A TIME FOR PEOPLE TO REALIZE OUR POLICY DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT IMPORTANT STUFF. ARE BELOW SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HAVE IN COMMON, A COMMITMENT TO THE RULE OF LAW. NOBODY SHOULD LOW INFORMATION. VOTERS THIS FALL. >> AND SO IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER, GO DON'T LET ME TELL YOU WHAT TO GO WATCH VIDEOS OF JANUARY. THE 6TH GO LISTEN TO THE VOICES OF DONALD TRUMP'S FORMER CABINET SAYING THIS TO YOU SHOULD NEVER BE ANYWHERE NEAR THE OVAL OFFICE AND THAT IS DO IT FOR YOU. WATCH ONE OF HIS RALLIES THEN DECIDE WHO YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR, BUT YOU MUST VOTE BECAUSE THIS THING IS ABOVE ALL OF THE THINGS WE NORMALLY ARGUE ABOUT. ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT HE'S DOING AS WELL AS HE NO, BECAUSE I KNOW THE POWER OF A DEMAGOGUE. THAT'S WHAT OUR FOUNDERS FEARED. VERY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO ESCAPE. THAT FOG OF LIES. AND I THINK I HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL DRAG THEMSELVES OUT OF IT BY GETTING SOME REAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE STAKES HERE. BUT BIG PICTURE, YOU WOULD STILL IN OTHER ELECTIONS POTENTIALLY VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS. CORRECT? >> WHAT A WINDOWS. WHAT OUT? I MEAN, IF NOT FOR PRESIDENT, I MEAN, FOR SENATOR FOR CONGRESS, FOR MAYOR, FOR I THINK WE SHOULD TRY AND PICK THE BEST YOU STILL YOU VIEW YOURSELF AS A DEMOCRAT? NOW I CONSIDER MYSELF AN INDEPENDENT, BUT I'M GONNA VOTE FOR JOE BIDEN BECAUSE I KNO
