Ivermectin in Australia

well warm welcome to this talk it's thursday the 16th of september now i get asked uh frequently asked questions and i do try and answer them when i can so lots of people are asking me about ivamectin and particularly the recent report from the australian government sites on ivermecton so let's look at that now and see what the australians are saying but if you're short of time for this video i will give you a bit of a bottom line on it because there is a bit of detail to go through the main arguments here put forward by the australian department of health against ivamectin seems to be firstly that it discourages people from getting vaccinated and if people think they're covered with ivamectin they could be a transmission risk so that's one it discourages people from getting vaccinated the second one is that some social media accounts have been getting the dose wrong we'll pad that one out in a minute and the third reason is that they're running out of stock for other vital reasons now let's just say for now all of those reasons given by the australian government are open to um critique uh so so we'll do that now now this is this is the site here if you want to look at it for yourself just to make sure i'm not making anything up the whole uh report is there um not too extensive and uh very accessible very easy to read quite comprehensible nothing difficult about it now this is um from the australian government department of health therapeutic goods administration tga new restrictions on prescribing ivan mechtin for covered 19. so these are new restrictions came on the 10th of 10th of september so about six days ago now so therapeutic goods administration acting on the advice of the advisory committee for medicine's scheduling so this seems to have gone through the appropriate channels in australia placed new restrictions on the prescribing of oral ivermectin general practitioners are now only able to prescribe ivormectin for tga approved conditions scabies and certain parasitic infections now let me clarify what's been happening here general practitioners in australia have been prescribing ivormectin and now the therapeutic goods administration is telling general practitioners these are qualified doctors in australia that they can't prescribe it for the viral indications is what they are saying they can only give it four specific indications which are scabies and certain parasitic infections certain specialists will be able to still prescribe the drug if they think it's uh appropriate for a particular patient and i would have been surprised if the gps in australia had been prescribing it to patients who they didn't think it was appropriate for but this is this is what the australian authorities are are saying ivamectin is not approved for covered 19 use in australia of course we know this that is the case and yet some doctors were prescribing it they say it's currently strongly discouraged by the national covered clinical evidence task force fair enough the world health organization yes and the us food and drug administration yes they seem to forget to mention that the national institutes of health in the united states so it puts an open question on ivermectin there's insufficient evidence for the covered 19 treatment guidelines panel to recommend either for or against the use of image in the treatment of covid19 so that is from the nih in the united states but uh as i say that wasn't mentioned in the australia report now getting on to their reasons and this is where it gets really quite interesting i might be revealing something quite fundamental actually but i'll let you decide that when we look at it first reason so there's a number of significant public health risks associated with taking ivormectin in an attempt to prevent coven-19 infection rather than getting vaccinated well we're not talking about vaccines here we're talking about hyvermectin now i strongly advocate vaccination of course because i believe in preventing disease but i also believe if treatments are available for disease we should treat it prevention is better than cure of course so vaccination is important but why they seem to be conflating the issue of ivormectin as a prophylaxis with vaccine as a prophylaxis is not really quite explained on on their uh documentation i've erected an attempt to prevent people infecting uh infection rather than getting vaccinated so i would certainly say get vaccinated as well i don't quite see where they're coming from there unless they're suggesting that people will be taking ivmex instead of getting vaccinated which i would go against uh the advice of every doctor in australia that i would i would imagine every single general practitioner in australia would be advising uh vaccination um it would just be bizarre if they weren't if your general practitioner in australia is not advising you to be vaccinated do do let me know i will be astounded if there's any jeep general practitioners in australia that are not recommending vaccinations so quite why those two should be mutually exclusive i don't really quite see individuals who believe that they are protected from infection by taking ivermectin may choose not to get tested or to seek medical care if they experience symptoms well again um if these if this ivormection has been prescribed by the doctor presumably the doctor could say look if you get symptoms still come come and see me you know i'm your doctor and i want to see you if you get sick you would imagine they could say that doing so is the potential to spread uh the risk of covered 19 infection throughout the community so what they're saying here is well people that are taking ivamectin probably won't want to get vaccinated uh people who believe they're protected from infection by taking ivormectin may choose not to get tested or to seek medical advice whether it could be or not to get if they get symptoms well i would have thought symptomatic people would but if they were vaccinated as well um their risk would presumably be the same or less of anyone else so is this getting to the heart of the matter so what what the australian authorities seem to be saying here not that either mectin's good or bad or indifferent or dangerous or lethal or brilliant they seem to be saying any of that what's going to stop people getting vaccinated and if people are taking over mexican and they think it's going to protect them against uh infection then if they get symptoms they might just go on spreading the disease so is this the heart of the issue is ivormectin being poo pooed around the world because people think it will discourage people from being vaccinated i i don't know i'm just reporting what they have said uh pretty directly actually from this from this australian site there it is read it for yourself that's what the australian authorities are saying i simply uh report what they say so that's their first reason secondly the dose of ivan mectin that are being advocated uh for use in unreliable social media posts and other sources of covered 19 and other sources of for copper 19 are significantly higher than those approved and found to be safe escapes or parasitic treatment so the second reason the saying that they don't want their doctors to prescribe ivormectin is that they are unreliable social media posts which get the dose wrong now this is this is rather strange now in australia um i believe they have something called the uh australian medicines handbook now i don't subscribe to this so i couldn't actually get a copy of it um but when when you go into a drug imagine imagine you're looking for a drug say i take a tour for statins so it says a tour of a statin um good for lowering cholesterol for dose please see a convenient social media poster i suspect it doesn't say that i suspect it says 20 milligrams or whatever the appropriate dose is and for sure um i've actually looked at this uh this document here from australia and this says quite a lot about it ivormectin it's the official australian site as far as i can gather uh starts off with the description either mexican is derived from the avon mechanisms a class of highly active broad spectrometry anti-parasitic agents isolated from fermentation broths of streptomyces avermitalis so that's the bug that they brewed up with so and and this does go on of course and give the precise dose it gives a lot of information about it and it does give the precise dose nowhere on this document does it say refer to unreliable social media posts to determine the dose that doctors want to prescribe to their patients i mean this is just weird weird that it says this positively weird so because some unreliable social media posts are getting the dose wrong there's a problem and these higher doses can be associated with serious adverse effects well of course yes uh serious adverse effects including severe nausea if you give too much vomiting if you give too much dizziness if you give too much neurological effects such as this anesthesia and coma of course it's a dangerous drug in overdose of course now in the uk we have this thing called the british national formulary which we have um here this is from the national institute for health and care excellent and that gives us the dose of the drug in quite precise terms for various indications so for chronic strongest infection 200 micrograms 200 micrograms per kilogram for daily two doses now for ivamectin to be fair you might need to give it a bit longer than that but the doses are here so and this is absolutely standard in pharmacology so it's 200 micrograms per kilogram which is 0.2 milligrams so if i weigh 80 kilograms i wish away a little bit more but if i weigh 80 kilograms then it's 0.2 milligrams times 80 which i think works out at about work it out for yourself it's about 16 milligrams i think it the the the these things are so well known i mean when i was um 18 19 years old i had to do a drug round as part of my assessments to be to be a registered nurse and um the the uh the child's nurse who was doing the assessment came in and he said what are the prerequisites of giving drugs then you had to say the right dose of the right drug to the right patient by the right route at the right time if you didn't get those five rights you failed you didn't you didn't do the assessment so of course everyone memorize those these are chiseled into the brains of all of all nurses and doctors you've got to give the right dose and yet here in australia they're saying that because social media gets it wrong doctors are not allowed to prescribe general practitioners doctors are not allowed to get it wrong because some people are not allowed to prescribe the drug because some people get it wrong on social media this is positively weird you know there's a there's a joke that the pharmacy is is poison in small doses and it's basically true you give too much of anything it's going to be poisonous so um can overdoses of other drugs be a problem or just to give you one example here in a e you spend i wouldn't say half your life but maybe five percent of your life treating paracetamol overdoses can other drugs be a problem with this is in british medical journal direct quote untreated paracetamol poisoning may cause varying degrees of liver injury over the two to four days following ingestion including fulminant hepatic failure which basically means you get liver failure if you don't get a liver transplant you die this is a common drug called paracetamol acetaminophen tylenol depending on where you live it's all the same molecules so what they're not saying on this australian site is well look there's a drug here called paracetamol another one called ibuprofen if you've got if you've got a viral infection it might give you a fever if you take paracetamol or ibuprofen that might bring the fever down making you think you're better i mean it doesn't just doesn't come into it it's you know we know that we have to give the right dose of the drug and yet because it's mentioned on social media doctors in australia apparently are so stupid that they can't tell the difference between official guidelines and unreliable social media posts no offense to doctors in australia but that seems to be what is being implicated and of course that's nonsense of course doctors know all about dosing drugs that is what they do day in and day out third third reason final reason there's been a three to four increase in three to four fold increase dispensing of iv prescriptions in recent months leading to a national local shortage for those who need the medicine for scabies and parasitic infections so australia's running out of ivormectin it would appear it believes that this is due to recent prescribing and dispensing for unapproved uses such as covered 19. okay so that's why they think it is such shortages can disproportionately impact vulnerable people including those in aboriginal and torres strait island communities okay um right so it looks like the australian government can't procure enough ivamectin in india they make this stuff by the thousands of kilograms thousands of kilograms it is readily available everywhere and if the australian government can't work out how to buy if you arrive in mectin tablets i'm a bit concerned for everyone in australia if you can't work that out australian government it just i mean this is just nonsense the idea that the australian government cannot procure enough ivormectin to treat some parasitic infections as such to my mind utter nonsense but why are they say why do they even say this it's such a shallow thing to say there's only one tga approval uh approved oral ivamectin that particular product there three milligram blister pack indicated for the treatment of river blindness oncopsoriasis yes so this is good so this australian website is telling us that is used for the treatment of this horrible condition oncoriasis um oh um here's the world health organization note on that here um onco psoriasis um river blindness more than 99 of infected people live in 31 african countries the disease also exists in some foci in latin america and yemen oh it doesn't actually mention that you get it in australia and just to clarify the issue give us a map so here's where this disease occurs and as we see in australia there isn't any so why does the australian website mention that i really don't know because there isn't any in australia strange um having said that thread worms um in interstellar stronghold ice stronger void isis is fairly common in uh rural aboriginal and torres strait communities as is scabies both of which of course have excellent alternative treatments i i i tend to use a bender's offer for strongholds as a first long trial line treatment but anyway you can't argue with it is an indication um but i suspect if the australian government wanted to order a million tablets from india they could get them pretty quickly i suspect if they wanted to order a billion tablets that could get them pretty quickly but hey they're saying they're running out or medical uh practitioners can continue to prescribe all i've met him for the approved indications and then they say however the prescribing of all i've emec for indicators not approved is now limited to certain specialists presumably they're talking about senior hospital consultants so there you go that is the question frequently asked about ivormectin in australia so the reasons that ivamectin is not being prescribed in australia is firstly it will stop people getting the vaccine secondly social media posts get the dose wrong therefore doctors can't prescribe it thirdly they're running out of stock i mean this is really that is pathetic australian government um now what i'm looking forward to for the australian government is what's the efficacy what are the contraindications um are there contraindications what are the interactions because we know that this drug can interact with a couple of um um blood thinning or anticoagulant agents and another another anti-parasitic agent um what's the evidence that it works what's the evidence that it doesn't work but not not not not stuff like this this is um that this really adds nothing to the debate and tells me nothing about your view australian authorities of the efficacy of ivamectin or the dangers of ivamectin um as as a drug in its own right so there you go um look at it for yourself really look at it for yourself i mean i i've said as much as i can really that that's it that that's that's what they say so um they go that's from the um australian government department of health therapeutic goods administration so um not a lot further forward really but if you have to watch this video nonetheless thank you for watching

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Published: Thu Sep 16 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/MaxPressureWell]

The "vaccine or nothing" policies are one of the reasons I'm hesitant.

[u/ceesna]

BINGO. Hallelujah someone gets it. Can’t have both, big pharma will win this one until people figure it out. Thanks god for the FLCCC

[u/ReuvSin]

OK but even a believer in ivermectin could get vaccinated as well.

[u/UsedConcentrate]

Actually it's because…

Ivermectin is not approved for use in COVID-19 in Australia or in other developed countries, and its use by the general public for COVID-19 is currently strongly discouraged by the National COVID Clinical Evidence Taskforce, the World Health Organisation and the US Food and Drug Administration.

Firstly, there are a number of significant public health risks associated with taking ivermectin in an attempt to prevent COVID-19 infection rather than getting vaccinated. Individuals who believe that they are protected from infection by taking ivermectin may choose not to get tested or to seek medical care if they experience symptoms. Doing so has the potential to spread the risk of COVID-19 infection throughout the community.

Secondly, the doses of ivermectin that are being advocated for use in unreliable social media posts and other sources for COVID-19 are significantly higher than those approved and found safe for scabies or parasite treatment. These higher doses can be associated with serious adverse effects, including severe nausea, vomiting, dizziness, neurological effects such as dizziness, seizures and coma.

Finally, there has been a 3-4-fold increased dispensing of ivermectin prescriptions in recent months, leading to national and local shortages for those who need the medicine for scabies and parasite infections. It is believed that this is due to recent prescribing and dispensing for unapproved uses, such as COVID-19. Such shortages can disproportionately impact vulnerable people, including those in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities.

https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/new-restrictions-prescribing-ivermectin-covid-19

[u/DiagonalArg]

John's beginning to wake up.