It's Worse Than It Looks: Lessons for Democrats from Election 2016

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Kessler's speech was entitled "2016 Election: It's Worse Than It Looks." Kessler is part of the Third Way Institute, which means Clinton Democrat through and through. The vast majority of the speech was a very thorough demographic analysis of the election, which convincingly showed that the Democratic Party is thoroughly fucked if it does not change its ways. Basically, it showed that Hillary was wildly successful in the populous Pacific coast and in SOME of the northeast (specifically, Massachusetts and New York) and a dismal failure in the rest of the country.

What I found most interesting, though, was his policy issues: basically, he didn't have any. Now this guy is a think tank guy, not a politico or a commentator (though he has appeared on Fox News and MSNBC). But his responses on policy were comically nonexistent. In his speech he did not mention wealth inequality AT ALL. (He did address wealth inequality briefly in response to a question from the audience.) Nor did he have a single word to say about getting money out of politics. (Wonder who funds the Third Way Institute, hmmm?)

The closest he got to talking about policy was one of the two most revealing and interesting points of his speech. He said that centrists believe that "we are dealing with two forces that are inevitable, or almost inevitable: globalism and technology. Well, technology certainly is. And they have benefitted 1/3 of the country (the Pacific Coast and the northeast, by population -- ed.) but have harmed the other 2/3 of the nation."

And he said, "What we have to do is figure out how to bring the benefits of globalism and technology to the other 2/3 of the nation." And he stopped cold there, like a dog that had gone to the limit of its leash. He had no policy solutions to present, like, well, all the elected Dems, just a vague hint that such policy solutions might exist, and would be wonderful.

To my mind, there are a number of fairly simple policies that could be implemented to do just that: UBI for example. Or a $15 minimum wage for a start. How about a huge government program to employ people in converting the US to wind and solar power rather than coal and oil power? All of it funded by increased taxes on the wealthy and corporations? Or by grabbing some of that $27 TRILLION dollars that they have hidden in offshore bank accounts?

All of these are policies I can EASILY consider, as a progressive. But he CAN'T consider it, because the corporate masters who fund the Third Way Institute wouldn't like that. And that's where his limit is. He can't see it, and would probably deny it if it was brought up to him bluntly. He would insist that it's his own viewpoint, honestly arrived at. But the truth is, if he starts advocating stuff like that, he 's a progressive, and progressives don't have a lot of cushy think tank jobs.

The other interesting thing he said was when he addressed wealth inequality in response to an audience question. He said that he saw wealth inequality as a BYPRODUCT of globalism and technology. He did not say if he thought it was bad or good, but given that he thinks globalism and technology are inevitable, he undoubtedly thinks wealth inequality is inevitable, too. Once again, a very convenient sort of belief for someone working for a corporate think tank to have.

My big takeaways from the speech is:

1) If the corporate masters of the Democratic centrists can be persuaded that our policies might WORK for the 2/3 that are "left out" by globalism and technology, and won't harm the One Percent, they might go for such policies, in which case, the Dem centrists might actually join us in advocating for them. Like building green energy infrastructure. That's gonna make a LOT of rich people richer, and also provide lots of jobs to lower and middle class people, especially on the construction, installation and maintenance end.

2) We must be on the lookout for bogus policy "solutions" that will be offered that will please centrists' corporate masters but which will not work for the rest of us. I see a strong possibility of such coming up. Along with more repetition of the "retraining" mantra for jobs that don't exist.

This has been a public service by Pat Powers, watching centrists, so you don't have to. I mean, really, that's 50 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

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[MUSIC PLAYING] So it's great to be here. Yes, gulp, it's worse than it looks. Yes, I'm a Democrat. I'm going to be talking about this from a democratic perspective. Third Way, my think tank, is kind of more of the center leaning part of the Democratic Party as opposed to sort of like the Bernie leaning part of the Democratic Party. So I just want to kind of put my biases out there. I'm going to run through a whole bunch of numbers, looking at the election. Feel free to interrupt for sort of like clarifications. But I definitely want to leave, I'm going to leave a lot of room for discussion, because I think the discussion is going to be most interesting. Let's see how this works. What do I need to do to-- here we go. OK, so let's start. Why am I saying it's worse than it looks? And I'm going to run through kind of five lessons, five reasons why we need to look at this election and elections previously. That for Democrats this is really kind of a dire situation and that we need to expand our map and expand our coalition. And reason number one is, yes, sure, Hillary won the popular vote. We all know that, by almost 3 million. And in the three blue wall states that flipped and really cost us the election, the margin was very, very thin. It was like the margin that would fit into a sports arena. Comey, Russian hacking, a few things, she wins this election. But the truth is that Hillary's defeat is really for Democrats the final indignity of a series of defeats that have been going on for eight years and have left Democrats in the worst electoral position they've been in since Reconstruction, really since the 1870s, really since the light bulb. And I want to take you through it. So since the halcyon days of 2009, Democrats have lost one fifth of our Senate seats, US Senate seats, about one fourth of our US house seats, about one half of our governors. And more than one half of the state legislatures we control. And you know, that's like the beginning slope, the intermediate slope, the black diamond slope, and then the double black diamond slope. And now would be great if we were skiing, but not if these are your electoral seats. And then, if we just look at governors for a second, there are now seven states where Democrats have the governorship and both houses of the state legislature. I know this map looks like it's only three states. That's because four of the states we control are the four smallest states in the country. One of them being this state, and your wonderful governor Gina Rimando, who I think is absolutely spectacular. Republicans control 25 governorships and the state legislatures in those states. And that's almost to the point where you can start passing constitutional amendments. So there is a sea of red out there. So reason number one that this is worse than you look is, you know, it wasn't just Hillary losing. This has been a long thing for Democrats. Number two is Democrats are starting to look like a regional party, not a national party. Let's start at the presidential level. Yes, Hillary wins the popular vote, and we know that. But she wins the popular vote because in New York, Massachusetts, and California, arguably the three wealthiest, the three most educated, the three most cosmopolitan states in the country, she won overwhelmingly. She won by seven million votes. In the other 47 states, she lost by four million. And not only that, in those three states, she outperformed Obama by a million votes. She did better than Obama 2012 by a million. And she underperformed Obama in those 47 states by 3 million votes. And then, if you look at the congressional level in these same three states, Democrats have a 66 to 23 lead in US house seats. And we trailed 128 to 218 everywhere else. And I'm going to expand this out just a little bit. So on the East Coast it's going to be the Acela Corridor, and then on the West Coast we're going to do the entire Pacific Coast. And House Democrats have a 98 to 33 lead in house seats there. And we trail 96 to 208 every place else, like better than a two to one margin. And in these 40 states, in these 40 states that are not the Acela Corridor, West Coast, again wealthiest, most educated, most cosmopolitan, most sophisticated, most embracing of globalization and technology, in those other 40 states, Hillary lost the electoral college 306 to 80. So this is what a regional party looks like. And nothing says regional party more than the county map. So this is a map of the presidential election broken down by who won the counties. Red is Trump. Blue is Hillary. And you know, Hillary won 493 counties. Trump won about 2,600. Now not all counties are created equal. You know Queens County in New York, you'd rather win that than Schoharie County up in the Catskills of New York. Counties are very, very different. But you can go from the Atlantic coast to the Pacific coast and never touch blue soil. And you can go from the Canadian border to the Mexican border and never touch blue soil. And the truth of the matter, whether we like it or not, our constitution gives a lot of power to sparse places. And it always has been. So Montana gets two senators. New York gets two senators. Wyoming gets one governor, California gets one governor. And the electoral college has a slight tilt towards rural, sparse places. So if you're not doing well in this kind of vast areas, you're going to be in trouble. And this is what a regional party looks like. Let me go to lesson number three on this, and why it's worse than it looks, and why we need to expand the map. And lesson number three really is it wasn't supposed to be this way. We had an electoral theory as Democrats. And when I say we, I don't mean my group. Because we always felt this was not going to work. But there was this belief. And there was a book that came out in 2002, very well-researched, called The Emerging Democratic Majority. It was by Ruy Teixeira and John Judis, Jr. who are both very, very, very smart guys, and they did a good job on this book. And what they argued was that the changing face of America, the increase in essentially non-white Americans and the millennial generation, and an increase in the number of single women and non-religious people-- that these are democratic leaning folks, and this was going to basically make democratic majorities inevitable. So you know if we just basically held our own among white voters, this change in the population was going to make democratic majorities inevitable. And in fact, the party could move further left because that's the way it was going to be. And it was called demography equals destiny. So why didn't it work? Well, the first thing I want to show you on this chart is why this theory was powerful. So this is the electorate from 1976 to 2016. These are people who actually voted. And it's broken down into two categories. The light gray are white voters and the dark gray are nonwhite voters. And starting in 1976, you can see that 88% of the electorate in the Ford-Carter race was white. And then you see that it bounces along, and then it really starts to change in the late '90s. And by the time you get to 2016, you know the electorate's 70% white and 30% nonwhite. Those non-whites vote full overwhelmingly for Democrats. You know, you can see why this theory would take hold. This should work for us. So what happened? Couple of problems with it, I'm just going to use a couple of slides to illustrate. The first is that demographic change is not evenly distributed across the country, and really not even close. So one way to look at congressional districts is you can divide them into three categories. There's 435 congressional districts, house members and the US Congress. And you can put them into three categories, easy blue, easy red, up for grabs purple. And these categories, those are my names, but these categories were developed by an organization called the Cook Report, which is a nonpartisan organization that analyzes elections in congressional districts. And they basically say, look, there's 159 congressional districts that just by their past voting behavior, these are safe Democratic districts. It'll take a miracle for a Republican to win, and sure enough Democrats have seats in 158 out of those 159. Well, those districts are 45% white and 55% nonwhite. In the 90 congressional districts that are up for grabs, the districts are 70% white and 30% nonwhite, which resembles the 186 easy red districts that are 74% white and 26% nonwhite. Because of gerrymandering, because of the way people sort themselves out, where they decide to live, all sorts of factors, the non-white portion of America lives in concentrated places, and that's what it shows up on this House map. And it's even more so when you look at the Senate. The second reason that this has not reached fruition was that it was based on the notion that we would hold our own among whites. We didn't have to win whites. We just had to hold our own. So this is exit polls from the 2016 election. 70 percent of the electorate was white. And among white voters, according to exit polls, Hillary got 37%, Trump got 58%. Do the math, Hillary lost by 21 points. By way of comparison, in 1992, Bill Clinton lost the white vote by one point. Now for Hillary to win, she doesn't need to-- or a future Democrat to win, you don't need to win the white vote or break even with the white vote. You don't even have to lose by 10 points. But if you're losing by 21 points what it means is, if you're winning African-Americans 88 to eight, winning them by 80 points as Hillary did, that's not enough. And if you're winning Asians by 36 as Hillary did, it's not enough. And if you're winning Hispanics by 36, as Hillary did, it's not enough. So if you look at Bill Clinton 1992, 1% loss to Hillary 2016, 21 point loss, there's basically kind of a straight line, trend line, that is taking you from that one to 21%. There's a bit of a blip in 2008 because Obama does so well. There's a little spike among white voters. So the portion of the non-white electorate is going to continue to grow. But if in the next election in 2020, we lose by what is expected-- the trend line will take us, we're going to lose by 24 points-- even as this portion here starts to grow, and we're winning by these big margins, we're always going to fill like we're just one election away from this demographic change taking hold. So this demography is destiny only works if you lose among whites by just a bad margin, not like a horrific margin. Reason number four that it's worse than it looks is that turning out the base is super, super, super, super, super important. And a lot of analysis of this election is that if we'd only turned out our base more we would have won. But the truth of the matter is base turnout wasn't that huge of a factor in this election. So there were six states that flipped from Obama 2012 to Trump 2016. In three of those states, turnout was up. In two of those states, turnout not only was up, it was up a lot. In Florida, turnout was up almost a million votes and more than 11%. In Pennsylvania, turnout was up nearly 400,000 votes and more than 6%. And a couple of places where turnout was down, Iowa and Ohio, we lost by such huge margins, it didn't really matter. I mean we just got swamped. So the truth is, turnout hurt us in Wisconsin. It killed us in Wisconsin. It hurt us in Michigan, but it was a non-factor or a minor factor in these other states. And in fact turnout in the 2016 election was bigger than turnout in 2012, and Hillary got more votes in 2016 than Obama got in 2012. Like people did turn out. Jim, just a second. This is Democratic turnout, not total turnout? No, this is total turnout in those states. This is turnout. So we don't know exactly who, but for example, let's just take Philadelphia and Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania. If you add up the number of votes that Hillary got in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh combined, and those are the two most African-American places in Pennsylvania, that was more than the vote that Obama got in 2012. So she outperformed Obama in total vote in those two places. Not in Milwaukee, down; not in Detroit, down; but definitely to combine Philadelphia, PA-- a little bit down in Philadelphia, a little bit up in Pittsburgh. And in Florida, turnout was up everywhere. There was no place where turnout really wasn't up. If it wasn't turnout, what was kind of the big factor? And this is maybe the most wearing thing is that there was a lot of vote switching. People changed their votes. So this is another county map of the presidential election. And those red things and blue things, those little things, they're arrows. This isn't a map of who won those counties. This is a map about movement. How did the county do in 2016 compared to how it did do in 2012. And so if the arrow is blue, the county voted more for Hillary than it did for Obama. And if the arrow was red, more for Trump than Romney. And if you look at the blue arrows, you see kind of some familiar patterns. It's again like the East Coast and kind of the cosmopolitan areas in the West Coast. The Rocky Mountains those are Mormon counties. You may recall that Trump had some Mormon issues that didn't work out well. And then dotted in there are some are some Latino counties. And then everywhere else you just see this sea of red, and you see that there is a movement in these counties more Republican, more for Trump than for Romney. And a lot of these counties, they moved a lot. So if you think about this whole general election, the 2016 and 2012 elections-- the total vote, they were very similar. Obama won by 3.8 percent. Hillary won by 2.1 percent in the popular vote. You know it's very-- they look almost like identical twins if you just look at the vote totals. But underneath, there was tons and tons and tons of volatility. And 28 states moved by more than five points. And 24 of those states moved more than five points in favor of Trump. So there's a lot of movement there. And within those-- Yeah? I have a lot of questions here. I know that there are counties on the border of North Carolina and South Carolina that are very poor rural counties. And I think Dante Chinni in The Wall Street Journal in his project called them African-American majority counties. They're actually majority white. But they've got 40% African-American. And his theory is that in those counties, the African-American population came out strongly in 2012 and did not in 2016. But that the white population there came out strongly in 2016 but did not four years earlier. Well, there's definitely-- so we're going to know more. Because the voter rolls are going to come out in May. And we're going to know more about who voted about whether-- That are just switching in people showing up rather than-- Right, we'll be able to know like, in this county 87% of the people who voted in 2016 also voted in 2012. We all know that more forcefully. And I think there's probably some truth to that. I think in certain areas you saw some depressed turnout in African-American areas, particularly in some of the states where there's some voter suppression going on. So you didn't see that in the urban areas though, for the most part. Except places like Milwaukee and Detroit, where I just think the campaign, Hillary campaign dropped the ball in those areas and didn't do what they were supposed to do. Also North Carolina, Obama really, really, really went after North Carolina. And Hillary's people, they started to back off on that, too. So I don't know if that's part of it as well. But we'll know more probably in May. On these like how much were switchers and how much were-- Swappers. Yeah, I like that. [LAUGHTER] Trademark. Trademark, Marc Dunkelman. And there were 403 counties that voted for Obama at least once, and then voted for Trump. And you could see there are a lot in the Rust Belt and industrial Midwest. And then what I want to do is I'm going to just zoom in a little bit closer. There were 93 counties in the blue wall states that broke our hearts that flipped, in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. And I just want to give you, this is some of the bare bones breakdown of those counties. First, the median household incomes in each of those counties is well below the median household income nationally, which is about $56,000, and well below the median incomes of those states by $5,000 or more. So these are definitely downscale folks economically. You can see, as you've read in the paper about this election, they tend to be-- they're not diverse. They're overwhelmingly white. They are the parts of the country where the number of college educated voters is very low compared to nationally. So this number nationally, college whites over the age of 25, that would be above 30. And so these are a lot of folks without a college degree. And then let me just kind of take you to one county, which is Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, which is a county that I've become a little bit obsessed about. Luzerne-- does anybody know Luzerne County? Is there anybody familiar with it? I actually grew up in Monroe County which is [INAUDIBLE] border with New Jersey touching [INAUDIBLE]. Well, how would you describe Luzerne County? Very rural, very not to be offensive, redneck, very much so. No industry, nothing really going on. No tourism even. It's very empty. So Luzerne County-- I picked it for a couple of reasons. One is that's where I was for Al Gore in 2000. I had Luzerne and Lackawanna County. Lackawanna County is where Joe Biden is from, Scranton. Luzerne is right next to it. Wilkes-Barre is the biggest city there. And then it's a bunch of small to medium sized towns. There's some farm land there. It used to have a lot of industry, actually tons of industry. It doesn't anymore. The median household income is $50,300. It is mostly white. Again, the education levels are what we saw before. And it voted for Bill Clinton by 15, then went to Gore by eight, and Kerry by four, and Obama by nine, then Obama by five-- and then Trump by 19. It's a county with 330,000 people. Trump outperformed Romney by 32,000 votes there. This county in the past helped elect Barack Obama president, Democrat Bob Casey to the US Senate, Democrat Tom Wolf to be governor, Democrat Matt Cartwright to be a congressman, and just put Donald Trump, helped put Donald Trump in office. In fact, by the amount that it switched from the last election, that was 3/4 of the margin of Pennsylvania. That's only one of 67 counties. There it is, and that's how much it changed. And it's not that much different from a bunch of other counties out there. Can we win that county back? Can we win that county back and also do well in Montgomery County, that's where I grew up. Montgomery County is sort of a wealthy, college educated, just outside of Philadelphia, professional class county that moved 32,000 votes in the direction of Hillary Clinton over Obama, the exact mirror opposite. And also do well in Philadelphia, urban, African-American, Latino, urban problems, like can we get voters, do something that gets voters back in these areas. So I'm going to spend a very short time talking about what I think are three things that I think the Democratic Party, sort of writ large, sort of missed on a little bit. And then we're going to open it up for questions. Number one, I feel that the Democratic Party needs to be the party about more jobs, not just fair jobs. And what I mean by that is if you look at the Democratic agenda for the most part, it talks about a lot of things that have to do with some version of economic justice that is very important. Minimum wage increase, pay equity, all sorts of issues to make the workplace more fair, et cetera, and those are important issues. But if you're not sure that the job you have is going to be there five years from now, if you're not sure that the industry that you grew up in will be able to employ your son or daughter, if you're not sure that your kids are going to be able to succeed in the area where they grew up, if you have doubts about that-- and a lot of people have doubts-- then those issues having to do with pay equity and things like that that are very, very important, they seem like side issues to you. If you feel that the forces of globalization and technology is a gale force wind in your face, those issues just seem to be somebody else's problems. If you work at Amazon at a distribution center and we're talking about paid sick leave, well, they now have robots that can move products from the warehouse to out the door six times faster than a person. Paid sick leave, that's the least of your problems. You know, you're thinking about those sort of things. And frankly, for a lot of people who dress like me or go to schools like this, globalization and technology, it's exciting. It's wind at our back. We're part of this economy. And I think about a third of this country is really part of this economy, and that's where Democrats are winning. The Acela Corridor, the West Coast, places like Colorado. But every place else, where those forces are wind in your face, we're losing those people. And I think we need to be a party that is as passionate about more jobs as fair jobs. Can we continue to make social progress that's very important to Democrats without heaping so much social scorn on people who are not yet with us? And I think one of the things I'm proud about as a centrist Democrat and the founder of an organization that was kind of the intellectual center of centrist Democrats is, in the '80s and '90s, when that organization started, the previous one, the Democratic Leadership Council, which was a great organization, the cleave in the Democratic Party was cultural. It was social issues. It was things like guns, things like gay issues and things like that. That is not the case anymore. Democrats are united on those things. I'm really, really glad about that. I'm glad we're part of making sure that happened. But there's definitely a lot of people who feel like, OK, if you're not sort of at the tip of the spear on these social issues, the Democratic Party is looking down on you. And I want to give you one example. How many people here remember the TV show MASH? The younger people, of course, don't. How many liked it? OK, for those who never saw the show, MASH was a show in the 1970s that was the most kind of forward thinking, progressive show on television. It was in some ways a parody of the Vietnam War, although it used the Korean War as a backdrop. And the star of the show was Alan Alda, who was considered the modern progressive man. He was even on the cover of Time magazine to be-- you know, this is the way, this is what the modern progressivism, the modern man, American male should be. And it was the paragon in some ways of liberalism on television. If that show came out today-- I watched it two months ago, I tuned into it, I watched it for the first time in about 30 years-- if that show came on today, half the people in this room would picket it. Let me tell you, the main character, Hawkeye Pierce, the one that we all loved and thought was the forward end of the social movement of progressivism, was an absolute total pig. He was a misogynist. He was a womanizer. he was a philanderer. He would drink martinis, and then he would operate on American troops. He had a bunk mate he didn't like. He bullied that person incessantly. All the doctors in the MASH outfit were men. All the nurses were women. The American army, the US army as it was depicted, might as well have been from Finland. You didn't find a black or Latino face among them. They did have a transgender person, someone who was a transvestite. His name was Corporal Klinger. He did it purely by choice as a ruse to convince higher ups that he was crazy so that he could get discharged. And that's not the worst of it. There was one competent person in the entire outfit. Her name was Lieutenant Margaret Houlihan. And our hero Captain Pierce had a nickname for her, and it was Hotlips. OK, you're thinking, what is this guy's point? My point is this-- in 1977, we looked at that and said, that is the edge of social progress in America. There is an arc to social movements in social history and social progress. And what looked like the far edge then, looks like Neanderthals now. So if you were in 2017 and as a lot of Democrats, socially we're in 2017, and we're looking forward to 2027, there's still a bunch of people who are in 2007. There's some people who are still in 1997. If you're in 1957, you're a deplorable. But if you're in 2007, and sort of waiting to catch up, we can't treat you like there's something wrong with you. Everyone has their own journey, and we have to show a little empathy and patience for people who are on that journey. Last is we have to be for better government as much as we are about bigger government. We have to show people that we care about reform. So the goal is to get to 270 electoral votes, 218 house seats, 51 Senate seats, 26 governors seats. We're not really close in any of those places right now. Can we do this in a way that can win back people in Luzerne County? Can still win the socially liberal affluent people of Montgomery County, where I'm from? And also appeal to people in Philadelphia or in the urban centers of Providence and New Haven and in New York, and rebuild the Democratic Party that way? I believe we can. It's not going to be easy. But the alternative is that we have this monster as President. And the Republicans continue to win majority after majority after majority. So with that, let me conclude. And just with the time we have, take whatever questions or comments that folks have. And thanks so much. [APPLAUSE] Who wants to kick it off? Who's going to be the first? So we have microphones so that we can all hear the questions as well as the answers. I'll yell. So just while everybody's thinking about a question, a quick one. Would you get-- you're in the middle of let's call it, a discussion in the Democratic Party to which there are two sides. I think many of the people here would possibly be a little skeptical of the moderate side, Bernie, let's call them Bernie fans. Would you just characterize how you see the two sides, the differences, the real differences between them, and what's the picture of the Democratic Party today. So there's definitely a split within the Democratic Party. And what happens is when you have the presidency, the differences underneath get papered over. And this has been simmering for quite a while. And if Hillary had won, those differences, they would have been papered over again until a Republican had won. What I see as the major difference between the two wings of the party is the diagnosis of what the economic problems are in the country. And so my wing of the party, the centrist wing of the party says the problem is that we have these forces, globalization and technology. They're basically, I wouldn't quite call them unstoppable forces. But they're close to being unstoppable forces. Certainly technology is. And that those huge economic forces are extremely disruptive. And it's basically created a society in which there are winners and losers. And I don't think those winners and losers are the 1% or the 99%. I think it's the one third and the 2/3. One third of this country is doing very well. And 2/3 of this country is [INAUDIBLE]. And that what my wing of the party says is we have to figure out a way to make those forces work for average people instead of working against average people. So that's how we diagnose the problem and that's how we think about the solutions. And then we would say income inequality is a symptom of that problem. The Bernie way, the Elizabeth Warren wing of the party says, that's true. There's stuff like that going on. But the real problem is this. This is a broken system, and a rigged system. And that the people and the entities that control most of the wealth in this country and create most of the rules in this country have basically set up a system in which the benefits of this economy is going to flow towards a very select number of people and away from another group of people. And unless you change these rules then this is just going to perpetuate itself. And they're the more populist wing of the party. And they say, look, not only is it rigged. But it's those people are rigging it. That CEO, that politician, on and on and on and on. So they have a list of enemies. I think just like any movement that is successful, each side, including the people who voted for Donald Trump, like they have their own piece of the truth, and their piece of the truth. Like there's some merit to it. But those are basically, I think, the fault lines within the Democrat party. Yes, please. Well, I want to go back to Luzerne County for a minute. For counties like Luzerne County, rural, chronically underemployed, it seems to me that those are the people who rely most heavily on public education, social security, you know, Affordable Care Act. Sitting here in my blue bubble, it seems to me that they've just shot themselves in the foot. But what are they thinking now? How do they see it? Are they worried about what's going to happen to their education, to their health care, to their social security? I would look at it this way. So I think that's a very good point. They see their-- We want to capture it on audio. OK, got it. So they see the trajectory of their lives and their community. And it looks kind of like this or maybe like this. It's not this, and it's not that. And they're saying, you know, I could vote for Hillary. But I know basically what's going to happen. My trajectory whatever it is, it's not going to change that much. That guy, I'm not so sure. But something is going to change and I'm ready to roll the dice. Because I know what's going to happen-- think of Luzerne County as a slowly leaking balloon. Like it still has its shape. You go there, parts of it are really beautiful. Detached houses and nice neighborhoods and hills and some nice restaurants and things like that. But it still retains its shape, but it feels like it's not as taut anymore. Just feels like something is leaking. Everything is getting a little bit smaller. And they're saying, I'm ready to roll the dice. I'm ready to try something different right now, even though I might lose on this. So I heard one voter said, talking to somebody that I know I said, who was voting for Trump, she said to the person, I just need to find a way out. And like with Hillary or with Democrats are saying, this is not my way out. And out didn't mean like out of the county. Just like out of my situation, like something's got to change. That's what I think was happening there. So back to Luzerne County, how do we get Luzerne County back when we can't get our message out? I feel like people in Luzerne County are watching Fox News. I don't know where-- like when people were watching MASH, they were watching I would think ABC and CBS News, which seemed to be a little bit more in the middle. That's not what's going on right now. How many people here watch Fox News? So we've got two Fox News watchers. I want to say thank you, because that's actually the only news station that I appear on. I go on Fox News, not as often as I used to. But I used to go on, like during the election, a lot. And my office mate, co-founder of Third Way, Matt Bennett, he went on Megan Kelly's show like 40 times during 2016. And let me tell you, she is tough. She is good, and she is tough. I think one of the things we have to do as Democrats, we have to go on Fox News. And I know how everybody feels about Fox News, like how awful it is. But only two people actually watch it. And I watch it some. It is pretty bad. I mean, I'm not going to lie to you. But we have to make our case now. Like we can't just keep making our case on MSNBC, like nobody watches MSNBC except us. OK? So we have to make our case in other venues there. And you know, I'd say one hopeful sign about this-- I'll give you the pessimistic view and the optimistic view. The pessimistic view is Luzerne County and counties like this, this is like what happened in the South 30 years ago. They left the Democrats because they feel the Democrats left them, and they never came back and that's it. That's a possibility. And the other is that there's a lot of Trump triers. They're not Trump voters, they're Trump triers. And they're going to try In this guy on for size. And the evidence of that is that in the last six election cycles, we've had a change, a change of at least one house of Congress or the White House in five of them. And that's never happened. You know, maybe it's happened before like in the 1830s or 1840s. So people are trying something on, and then saying like, I'm going to go one place else. There's one other thing I think Democrats need to do. Since the election, I've been talking to tons and tons and tons of people, including a lot of the political consultants that were in these races and ran ads. And one of them said something that was really smart. He said, I can tell you who's going to win the race, any sort of handicapped, roughly even race by one factor. Which is the candidate that seems most independent of their party? So Donald Trump was essentially an independent who made a hostile takeover of the Republican Party, and Hillary Clinton was not. Bernie Sanders was an independent of sorts that nearly made a hostile take over the Democratic Party, too. And he did extraordinarily well in the primary considering his profile coming into it. So Democrats to win these areas back, they have to show that in some ways they are independent from the orthodoxy and the doctrines of their own party. That's going to be tough to do. But I think that's something that is necessary. Let's go here. How do you-- We'll do the mike switch here. I understand what you're saying in terms of national races and in House and Senate races in the major biennial elections. But it doesn't seem to explain all those local, state legislatures. Particularly in the instance where you've had a fairly vaunted Obama machine in 2008 and 2012 that were getting out votes, I think getting new members or active members to the Democratic Party. And the Trump phenomenon wasn't there then, I don't think. I mean what's happening at the local level? Has the entire sinew, the strength of the party just disappeared except coming around for the 2008, 2012? I think that the relying on demography as destiny, that believing that this was going to solve our problems made us a complacent party. And said, like look, there's a bunch of voters. And you can, by what box they check on the census form, they're going to be with us. So we're set here. Like this is going to be inevitable. And you know, we don't have to pay attention to these voters as much anymore, because these guys are going to carry us all the way. And then you add sort of non-religious people and single women, this is our ticket. So there was an electoral theory that was followed, that basically said, we don't really have to pay that much attention to all these other parts of the country. Because things are just going to automatically work out. You add to that Republicans saw this and said hm. We're going to invest in these areas. And whether it was the Koch brothers, other big money, or the party, they did what Howard Dean did in 2004 and 2006. And said, we're going to have a 50 state party. We're going to invest in these places. And we're going to invest in city council races and things like that. And then, you know I just think that there's a lot of people who felt ignored by the Democratic Party. Jim, we're going to take one more. OK, let's go all the way over here. This person has the worst view. [LAUGHTER] Thanks very much. I enjoyed your speech. And I know time was limited, so you couldn't cover probably all the subjects you wanted to. The thing that stood out in my mind was that you didn't discuss the gender issue. Because I imagine these guys out in Luzerne County were just uncomfortable with the fact of a woman with power. I think the two things seem to go hand-in-hand. The larger point I want to make is that I've been a centrist Democrat, but I'm not anymore. Because I'm pissed off about the way things are going, mostly because of the what I consider the ineptitude of the Democratic Party, that it keeps losing news cycles, congressional races, Senate races, presidential races. So how would the Third Way recapture a guy like me who wants to put the elbows out a bit more in Bush v. Gore, the Willie Horton ad, and 20 other issues. Where's the third way on stuff like that? So I think the challenge of centrism is how do you be as exciting and bold as populism is on the left and populism is on the right? And I think if I was going to say what is the biggest mistake that my organization has made in the last 12 years, and we're 12 years old, is I think we made a very, very, very good case for our policies. But we never made it a cause. And I think we have to move from a case to a cause. And that's how we inspire people like you and others to say like, I want to be part of this. And I think answering people's economic concerns is primary to making that cause and feeling like this is really going to make a difference. And this is modern. This is forward looking. And I'm part of this. And I also think that all Democrats, including centrists, like we have to do more listening for people. So one of the things I'm doing is I'm leaving Washington starting now a lot, and listening to other people. Because I think the answers are going to come not where I am, but where you are. So that's your last question. The first one on gender-- you know, I had lunch yesterday with Jennifer Palmieri. Does that name ring a bell? Yeah, so I've known her for years. And she's a wonderful, wonderful. I knew her when she worked for Leon Panetta in the House, who was a great guy. So I've known her for years and I had lunch with her. And she talked about how there were just real walls that they could never overcome. And some had to do with gender. Some had to do with people just hated her, that there were barriers that in all the focus groups, all that sort of thing, like there was something there that they couldn't overcome. Some of it I think was unique to her. Some of it might have been gender. Some of it might have been gender following race. Like oh, we made history here, you mean we've got to make history now? But I don't know the answer to that question. But I think it's worth thinking about. Jim, thank you for coming. Thank you. This is great. I really enjoyed it.
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