Is The West Going to Fall apart like Ancient Rome - Jordan Peterson and camille paglia

[Music] so you know there are elements in my character that are optimistic you know I've looked for example I worked for a UN Committee and on the relationship between economic development sustainability and I found out a variety of things that we're very optimistic like the fact that you know the UN set out to have poverty between 2000 and 2015 worldwide and actually hit that by about 2010 right so we're in that period of the fastest transformation of the bottom strata of the world's population into something approximating middle class that's ever occurred and there's all these great technological innovations on the horizon and it looks to me like things could go extraordinarily well if we were careful but I'm not optimistic and maybe that's me I'm pessimistic because I also see that there's five or six things happening all of which appear at the level of catastrophe that are all happening at the same time and so one of the things that I'd like to ask you is like what do you see happening in the next 10 years in the universities are in culture at large and I mean you just put forward a proposal for the universities for the treatment of women which i think is a very interesting one because women do have a different time frame than men but like what the hell is the proper way forward I've been encouraging young men to tell the truth and to take responsibility and there's a huge market for that message but but I'm not convinced by any stretch of the imagination that it's enough what like when you look forward and you try to be optimistic what the hell do you see well and in the largest you know scale I'm concerned about the future Western culture because as a student of history it looks too much to me like ancient Rome okay which became over expanded which became it was at the mercy of a bureaucratic creep okay and and in the and Roman identity eventually got blurred okay in its incorporation of so many different cultures which I first seems like a healthy kind of multiculturalism but eventually over expand and simply collapse of its own the way so III and I so I am concerned about the you know whether Western culture is in a rapid decline I think it would be very easy because we are you know so interconnected and so over complex very easy to bring it to ruin it would only take one major natural disaster you know to do that but the universities themselves I mean I think people are all of a sudden in the United States much more attentive to issues of political correctness because of the the riots at Berkeley which was the you know which was the capital free speech I mean I mean the the Free Speech Movement happened in the spring before I entered college in nineteen sixty forty one of the great principles and inspirational stories of my entire life Mario Savio is you know you know assertion of the of the supremacy of you know free thought and free speech he's okay and I so I think that perhaps you know we might just have turned a corner and but it's gonna take a very very long time for the university to be reformed I feel and that the cafeteria menu okay of the university curriculum has to be abandoned we must return to historical courses that begin in a in the earliest period in the Stone Age in antiquity in order to give perspective you know to to our to our present to an analysis of a person a culture I want fifty fifty to seventy five percent of college administrators fired okay and the money be transferred over okay to to to faculty into the libraries and to into to instruction okay I think that you know the obviously the way things are being people are being a trained right now including at the public school level okay is I think that I think the public school level has gone to hell yeah when my twin twin when my mother came you know came to United States the age of six there was the old public school system was so very strict and therefore if she had excellent education you know it's a and you know didn't got all A's and in her in her and even though she started out not speaking English spoke without an accent etc okay so today this to feel good the public school education which is which is a form of ideologies and indoctrination right now it's all about no bullying okay and not about it not even seriously about no bullying yes so I mean I can tell in my own students I mean I've been teaching for 46 years so I can tell the this slow degradation of public school education get to the point now that the students have absolutely no sense of world geography of world history they know absolutely on the net they don't know anything about wars okay and the reality the barbaric reality of most of human history and when it whatever defense that's triggering yes right what a fantastic culture we live in and so you know it doesn't identity politics itself has just got to stop I mean it was important once okay again I I was a rebel against the the wasp you know hegemony okay white anglo-saxon Protestant of Germany in American culture it was it was suffocating III was raised in the 1950s where they went when wasps control corporations and and and education and politics so any identity politics was necessary once okay to it we asserted getting gay rights okay and he was into Stonewall Rebellion of 1969 we have so we asserted okay the women's rights with thee with with the rebirth of second wave feminism in the late 1960s okay but this endless ok preoccupation with with a fragmented identity we must return to be authentic nineteen sixties vision which is about identity coming from consciousness which transcends gender which transcends all these divisions of race okay and the ethnicity okay consciousness itself okay right there's no sense of that any longer and that's what this 1960s thought well I see if that is a complete abandonment of personal responsibility because that like that consciousness I think symbolically and I got a lot of this from young and also from Eric Norman I mean that's the great logos of the West right that's the transcendent principle which is is respect for the primacy of individual consciousness and what goes along with that primarily isn't individual rights although that's built into it I mean that's the reason we have individual rights is for respect for that but the responsibility that comes along with being an individual instead the member of some group especially a victimized group which is like that sure I wrote an article with one of my students who had toured the mass grave sites in in the former Yugoslavia you know what haven't been exposed to that sort of thing and one of the things that our research indicated was that the best predictor of genocide is victimization on the part of the group that produces the genocide right a sense of an accelerated sense of victimization and then it's well we get them before they get us so and everyone's being taught now that they're a victim and then no one seems to have any sense that you know that's part of the essential tragedy of being that life is suffering and that and that and that and and that the world rests on a foundation of suffering it's nothing to take personally and something to take responsibility for instead of blaming and and resentment and all of the things that have polluted our universities and our culture

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Length: 7min 18sec (438 seconds)

Published: Sun Oct 15 2017