Is Anakin a Mary Sue?
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Published: Thu Jul 23 2020
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What's interesting here, is how PT showed where Anakin's hubris came from, how it shaped him, and what it caused. Compare that to Jake who just suddenly finds himself above his nephew, touching his lightsaber inappropriately, and ponders sticking it in, and when it all goes ploin-shaped blames having done the opposite with Vader, and the Jedi tradition that told him not to do that.
It's a great video, I've just watched it a few minutes ago. The Drinker knows his writing!
No.
No he isn't. From the movies alone, this can be refuted. He is shown to occasionally be reckless & impulsive. He doesn't follow orders to the letter. His viewpoints conflict with the values of the Jedi Order & he is swayed towards the Dark-Side for these reasons. Not everything went exactly his way, regardless of how he felt about the situation. He actually receives efficient Jedi Training within a reasonable time-span; They couldn't have shown him dedicating a decade of his life to Jedi Training & still suck. That's absurd. He is lectured, frequently, by Obi-Wan & not everybody adores him e.g. Mace Windu. Clearly, there a wider variety of reasons as to why he isn't but these are the basic ones.
Rey, clearly, is a Mary Sue unlike him. I can understand her piloting skills. She is the same age as Luke was in the Trilogy, but they could've given us a reasonable explanation as to why she can fly. Maybe change her backstory, like she was raised by pirates or something similar to Star-Lord from Marvel. However, everything else about her makes her a Mary Sue. She learns things too quickly & easily for the audience to digest, for someone who supposed to be a complete newcomer to the Force in general.
Key Note: I know Critical Drinker & knew this was a Rhetorical Question. He's always sarcastic & rhetorical (I was stating my opinion on the matter).
No. end of discussion.
No absolutely not. Vader is one of the best villains in all fiction in human history.
Rey and Jyn Erso are Mary Sues because they represent their "creator's" idealized self image...how Kathleen Kennedy sees herself.
Important are the historical and visual similarities, the longer, straight brown hair and the "I need help from no man, I owe nothing of who I am to any man" certainly hits home if you look at how KK got her start in the business (Speilberg's personally chosen assistant).
If Vader was a "Marty Sue" for George Lucas here's what Vader's backstory would have to be like:
A young boy in a middle class home on an unremarkable planet in the SW galaxy gets picked on for being nerdy and unathletic, but his interest in D&D type games causes him to unlock a secret level in a game that conjures a space wizard who tells him he is the chosen one, showing his nerdy non-athletedom can be a strength.
Like "The Last Starfighter" only pre-video game.
With Luke, there's just not enough key similarities to reasonably argue that Luke is a 'marty sue' for George Lucas, just to get that out there.
He is not a mary sue. He failed many times and was defeated several times in combat after biting off more than he could chew. In the end, and although he was a good person, he succumbed to his pride and selfishness, and as punishment for his dark deeds he was burned alive and confined to a suit for the rest of his life.
I have a bit of beef with the Drinker, so I'm not willing to watch his video right now.
Can anybody summarize his arguments for me?