>> Pastor: I had been a
witch doctor for 14 years. >> Rev. Angley:
For over 14 years? Tell the people about how
you became a witch doctor, how you got
into witchcraft. >> Pastor: Yes, during
my time, my lifetime, there was a strange thing
happening in my life in which these spirits
used to come upon me, and I used to have a
severe attack of headache. And this headache went
on for a very long time, almost to drive me mad. In which I went
to the physicians and they couldn't get me
a drug to cool it down. So, a friend of mine told me
that these were evil spirits which needs to
be- be charmed or be brought to
possess my life. >> Rev. Angley: Um-hmm. But these evil spirits
should be charmed and would take you
over and possess you? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley:
Go right ahead. What happened then? >> Pastor: Now during this time
I was taken to a small hut, in which I had to stay
in there for 9 days. And there were about 9
witch doctors around me. And this- the witch doctors
used to shake their calabashes until the spirits
come upon me and I be totally possessed
and come out of my senses. And at that time
the spirits could make me do anything
they wanted them to do. >> Rev. Angley: Those devils
could make you do anything? >> Pastor: Yes,
at that time. >> Rev. Angley: Um-hmm. >> Pastor: At one time they
came so mighty upon me, I just found myself
rushing out of that hut and being chased, followed
by these nine witch doctors, and I was slain
to the ground, I don't know how. And then a goat was brought
and slaughtered there, and that blood was
given to me to drink. >> Rev. Angley: And
you drank that blood? Of that goat? >> Pastor: Yes, I drank
that blood of that goat mingled with herbs. >> Rev. Angley: And how
often, how many times did they give you that the
nine days you were there? >> Pastor: They gave me
goat's blood for two days. >> Rev. Angley:
For two days. >> Pastor: For two days. >> Rev. Angley:
And that was three- how many times a day?
Once a day? >> Pastor: Once a day, yes. >> Rev. Angley:
Once a day? >> Pastor: Once a day.
>> Rev. Angley: Um-hmm. >> Pastor: And
the other days, they used to slaughter chickens. And I was not allowed
to take any meat. The goat's meat, I was
not allowed to eat that. They used to bring the
goatskin and put it over me. >> Rev. Angley: They put
the goatskin over you? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: What
about the chickens? >> Pastor: The chickens,
they just slaughtered it and smeared it around,
around my body. >> Rev. Angley:
Around your body? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: Um-hmm. >> Pastor: This was
done frequently. >> Rev. Angley: And
they'd take that blood and put it all over your body? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: And this
was done frequently? >> Pastor: Frequently >> Rev. Angley: During
those nine days? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: And what did
they tell you would happen? Did they tell you anything
that would happen to you in the future? Did they tell you anything about what was going
to take place? Or of what understanding
did you have? >> Pastor: yes, they
did tell me that when I have gone
through this processes, I'll be possessed
with a greater power. In order I would be doing,
be doing some miracles in the demonic, with
the demonic spirits. >> Rev. Angley: with
the demonic spirits, that you would be able
to perform miracles? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: And you
really believed that, didn't you? >> Pastor: Yes, I
did really believe. And I was strong
believer in them. >> Rev. Angley: And
how did you feel? Did you feel
different sensations as more devils
took you over? >> Pastor: When the
devil took me over, yes, I did feel a
difference in my life. But it was not all
the time there. It used to be certain periods
the devil comes upon me and then I had to
drink some drugs in order to ease the tension
of the spirits upon me. >> Rev. Angley: To keep
them from manifesting themselves through you >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: And
how long was it before the devils came upon you that you could foretell
through the devil? People to tell things
that were going to- >> Pastor: That is a special occasion when it is needful; then I have to go in the house, then start charming the spirit until they overtake me, then I'm transformed and then I would start
telling the people what is happening
in their lives, or what is going to happen. >> Rev. Angley: And the
devil would tell you things about people? You realize that now. >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: Did you realize
it was coming from the devil? >> Pastor: Yes, I did. >> Rev. Angley:
At the time? >> Pastor: Yes, and I
was really proud of it. >> Rev. Angley: You
were proud of it? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: You
loved the devil? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley:
You loved his work? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: You loved
what he was doing to you? >> Pastor: Exactly. >> Rev. Angley: And you
wanted all of his power? That you could get? >> Pastor: That's right. That was my aim, to
get all of his power, so I could do even
greater things than that. >> Rev. Angley: And
he would tell you if you would do
certain things, he would give
you more power? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: And
you would do anything they told you to do? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: The devil
was really your master. >> Pastor: That's right,
because I remember one time an evangelist came to me
and told me about Jesus. I told him I
could do more- I could do the same thing
as what God can do. >> Rev. Angley: You told
him that you could do the same things
that God could do? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: And
those devils made you really believe that? >> Pastor: That's right. I remember I was being
wanted by the military for certain reasons. And they came
down to take me, but I was disguised
by those spirit and I walked through them,
and I could... >> Rev. Angley: The devils
changed your facial >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: Uh-
looks so much, until they didn't
recognize you? >> Pastor: They
didn't recognize me. >> Rev. Angley:
The devil did that? >> Pastor: The
devil did that, yes. That was after
sacrificing my daughter. >> Rev. Angley: After
sacrificing your daughter? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: And you
were able for the devil to take your face over? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: And make
it look so different? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: That- did
you feel any drawings, any drawing in your
face or what? >> Pastor: I didn't
feel anything. >> Rev. Angley: You
didn't feel anything? >> Pastor: Un-unn. >> Rev. Angley: And you
just walked- they didn't >> Pastor: I just
walked in between them. >> Rev. Angley: But they
knew- they were supposed to have known you, though? >> Pastor: Yeah, they were
supposed to have known me. >> Rev. Angley: They were
supposed to have known you? >> Pastor: Yeah. >> Rev. Angley: And they
could have identified you? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: But the
devil gave you power? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: To walk
right through them? >> Pastor: That's right. I was transformed. >> Rev. Angley: You
were transformed? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley:
By his power? >> Pastor: Um-hmm. >> Rev. Angley: That
you were able to walk right through them? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: And they
didn't even recognize you? >> Pastor: No,
they didn't. >> Rev. Angley: And that
the way you escaped? >> Pastor: Yes,
that's how I escaped. During that time,
my wife got saved. >> Rev. Angley: And
she stayed with you? >> Pastor: No, she
didn't stay with me. She said she couldn't
stay with a witch doctor. She went back to her
mother and stayed there. >> Rev. Angley:
And she left you? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: Alright,
continue now with your story. You're a witch doctor. Tell us some of the
things that you did as a witch doctor. >> Pastor: Okay. During my time of
witch doctor um- people used to come for the
help that some people came that they needed their wives
ran away, I mean they- they left their husbands
and they used to come to me that they need
their wife to come back. And I used to charm the
spirits and used to go and get the wife
back to the husband. >> Rev. Angley: How
did you work that? >> Pastor: I used to charm the
spirits with this calabash. >> Rev. Angley: And the devils
would take the wife over? >> Pastor: Yes,
that's right. >> Rev. Angley: And give
her a desire to come back? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: And through
the power of the devil you would
bring them back? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: And
they would come to you for other things. >> Pastor: Yes, for
other things such as they need a job and they
need to kill someone. They need to
bewitch some people to get in a better
position in work. >> Rev. Angley: And you
could, and you would kill, kill others? Give them or tell
them how to do it? Or how did you work
it when they wanted, came to you to >> Pastor: I
would give them, I would give them some
herb-ical medicines and tell them to sacrifice
a chicken, a black chicken. And to take that blood and
sprinkle it over a calabash, which I used
to give them, and they can speak
what they want and these spirits [indescipherible] >> Rev. Angley:
Now, what is that that you gave them? >> Pastor: The
calabash, a calabash. >> Rev. Angley:
what's it like? >> Pastor: It is
something like a gourd. >> Rev. Angley: Oh, I see. >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley:
Yeah, and they >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: Yes. And why, why did it have
to be a black chicken? >> Pastor: Because the black
chicken represents evil. >> Rev. Angley: And you
were work- you knew you were working with evil? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: And you
didn't- you, did you, you knew you were
working against God? Or did you believe >> Pastor: At that
time, at that time I didn't believe that
there is a God because >> Rev. Angley:
You didn't believe >> Pastor: What I
could do is enough to to prove that
there is no God. >> Rev. Angley: Oh,
that's the way you felt. >> Pastor: Yeah. >> Rev. Angley: You didn't
believe there was a God, that, that you had
power yourself? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: And you were
getting it from the devil? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: And
you used that power? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: Would the
people actually be killed? >> Pastor: Yes,
they would. They would and then those
who came for me to do that... >> Rev. Angley: How do
you think that happened? That... >> Pastor: They would
come back and let me know. >> Rev. Angley:
I mean though, how did the
killings take place? Any, were they
all different? >> Pastor: Difference >> Rev. Angley:
Somebody kill them? or did the
>> Pastor: No, no. >> Rev. Angley:
Devils take them over? Or how did they die? >> Pastor: Some of
them in car accidents, some of them
commit suicide by throwing themselves
over in the river and some of them
were taking this poison and killing themselves. >> Rev. Angley: That was because
the devils took them over? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: But you
know, a child of God, Blood-washed, you wouldn't have
been able to have done that. >> Pastor: [chuckling] >> Rev. Angley: And that's
the reason that I say that you don't
have to be afraid. >> Pastor: Yeah, that is,
let me tell you one thing >> Rev. Angley: If
you're a child of God >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley:
And, go ahead. >> Pastor: I want to
tell you one thing, during that time, when
I'm a witch doctor, I used to take
very much care not meeting with anybody
who is born-again, who is washed with
the Blood of Jesus. >> Rev. Angley: Un-hnn.
That's- >> Pastor: Because whenever,
when they used- I used to meet with them, it used to confuse the spirits. >> Rev. Angley:
Well, I guess it did. >> Pastor: [chuckling]
So I decided not to going anywhere near
there was a born-again >> Rev. Angley: What about cards, did you use- what did you use
to bring about >> Pastor:
No, I just >> Rev. Angley: Anything else? >> Pastor: No,
I just use that >> Rev. Angley:
That's all you used? >> Pastor: That gourd,
with the charming [chuckling] until
I'm possessed. >> Rev. Angley: But
you didn't want to be, want to meet anybody
Blood-washed? >> Pastor: No. No. >> Rev. Angley:
You didn't, you feared the Blood,
didn't you? >> Pastor: [chuckling] >> Rev. Angley: There
was a fear there? >> Pastor: Yeah, there
was a fear there. >> Rev. Angley: There
was a fear there. >> Pastor: Yeah. >> Rev. Angley: Because
anybody that's covered with the Blood,
they are protected. They don't have
to be afraid. And the only way you could
get in to do anything to them is through fear, or anybody that's using the
devil's power, that I know. >> Pastor: Um-hmm. >> Rev. Angley: Because
I've dealt with this, with demonic spirits
so much myself and to deliver people
from devil possession. Now, go ahead and tell
us what happened to you. About, how did
you find the Lord? >> Pastor: Well it became
in a process of time. I, I decided that I
should commit suicide, you know that would
get rid of everything. I thought that be
committing suicide was the end of everything. So, during that time,
while I was deciding to commit suicide, I tried
to look for a suitable place to do it privately,
without anybody knowing. But the time was too late, so I decided to do
it the next morning. And by that time, I really
had the boldness of doing it. There was no fear of
committing suicide by hanging myself. >> Rev. Angley: No fear? >> Pastor: No fear. >> Rev. Angley: The
devil knew that you was gonna get saved. >> Pastor: I don't know. [laughter] >> Pastor: I didn't
know by then. >> Rev. Angley: He knew
God was moving for you. Okay, and what happened? Tell us the rest
of the story. >> Pastor: Now,
during the night, it was a restless night. All what I could think that
"I must commit suicide." Now, the early
hour of the morning, about around 6 am, then I heard a voice,
a strange voice. And when I heard
that voice, I realized that
it was the Lord. I don't know how
it came to be but I realized that
time it was the voice, and He said to
me, "my son, don't commit
thyself suicide. I am your savior;
I'm here." And I fell down and weeped
bitterly for about 2 hours. And then I heard the
Lord speak again. He said unto me, that I have
to take a fast of 3 days, not getting
off my bed. And which I walk
and went on my bed. I stayed there for 3 days. Well the neighbors did
not worry about this; they thought it was the
demons are dealing with me, so they didn't
interfere in anything. Now after 3 days, then
the Lord spoke to me, it was around 7 in
the morning, said, "Rise and go to my servant, and he will tell
you what to do." I've been in bed
3 days, fasting, and then early hour of the morning around 7 am, the Lord told
me that I should "arise and go to my
faithful servant," to His faithful servant and
he will tell me what to do. And which I did; I
walked about 3 miles, I mean, 1 mile, and I found myself
in a pastor's home. And that pastor pointed
out to me and said, that "the Lord had
told me 3 days ago that you'll be coming here." >> Rev. Angley: Praise the Lord! >> Pastor: [chuckling] >> Rev. Angley:
That's wonderful. >> Pastor: That's how I
received the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal savior. >> Rev. Angley:
Right then and there? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: This
pastor prayed with you? >> Pastor: He prayed
with me and he led me >> Rev. Angley: And he let
you know the Blood of Jesus would wash away
all your sins? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: And those
devils would leave you? >> Pastor: Would leave
me and they did leave me >> Rev. Angley: All
the devils left you >> Pastor: Because while I was
there in the pastor's house, after he prayed for
me, I felt the zeal and the power of God, that I told the pastor,
"now let us go home and get all this
rubbish and burn them." >> Rev. Angley: All
the devil's rubbish. >> Pastor: All the
devil rubbish ... skin, goat skins, bones
and many rubbishes. >> Rev. Angley: All of
that stuff you'd used? >> Pastor: About 3
basket full of it. >> Rev. Angley: 3 basket
full and you burned up all the devil's wares? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley:
Got rid of it? >> Pastor: Everything. >> Rev. Angley:
And then, later, God called you
into the ministry. >> Pastor: That's right. The Lord called
me to the ministry because when I went back
home, that very night, again, the Lord told me that
I should for another 6 days. >> Rev. Angley:
For how many? >> Pastor: 6 days. >> Rev. Angley:
For 6 days? >> Pastor: For
6 days, yeah. >> Rev. Angley: And
you fasted 6 days? >> Pastor: I
fasted 6 days. And I went to a church. And when I got into the
church, the pastor told me that "the Lord has chosen
you to be His servant." >> Rev. Angley: And you just
started in preaching? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: And the
Lord just gifted you? >> Pastor: Gifted
me, that's right. >> Rev. Angley: With
preaching the Word of God? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: I want to
know something though, how did you recognize
the voice of God to be different from
the voice of the devil? >> Pastor: It was very strange,
I don't know how it did but that moment, I think God
gave me the understanding. >> Rev. Angley: He-
I'm sure He did. I want to hear you say it. The Lord gave you
understanding, a revelation of Himself,
didn't He? >> Pastor: That's, exactly. >> Rev. Angley: Gave
you knowledge of Him. >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley:
Opened your eyes? >> Pastor: That's right. [chuckling] >> Rev. Angley: And let
you there's a God up there; >> Pastor: that's right. >> Rev. Angley:
and down here too. >> Pastor: Yeah. >> Rev. Angley: And
that He had all power, even over that devil that
you'd been serving. >> Pastor: That's right. Because after,
after one week, I went to the witch doctor-
to those witch doctors who were dealing, where we were charming
the spirits together, and I preached them the gospel. >> Rev. Angley: You
went back to those >> Pastor: Yeah. >> Rev. Angley: And
preached them the gospel? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley:
How did they react? [laughter] >> Rev. Angley: Were they
ready to murder you? >> Pastor: They
were very surprised, and they wanted to chase
me out of their house. >> Rev. Angley: I imagine. I imagaine. But you felt led of
the Lord to go to them? >> Pastor: Yes, I felt the
power of God was upon me. >> Rev. Angley: Yes. >> Pastor: And I told
them the Word of God and I told them that "I'm
not more witch doctor, I've burnt up all
of their wares." >> Rev. Angley: God wanted
you to witness to them, to give them a chance. >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley:
And they turned it- and they turned God down? >> Pastor: They
turned God down. >> Rev. Angley: That's
unfortunate, isn't it? >> Pastor: It
is unfortunate. >> Rev. Angley: And did
any of them ever come back to you, after that? >> Pastor: Yes, they-
what you would call the chief witch
doctor of that area came back to me and said that "we
are very sorry. We tried to send the
spirits to kill you because you have revealed
our secrets to the people. We didn't want you
to be alive anymore, but we couldn't do it. Everytime the spirits
came, they came back to us, and those spirits told
us that they would kill, that they would kill
them rather than kill me because I have
a strange power which they cannot
penetrate through." >> Rev. Angley: Praise God! That's what I've contended
and tried to tell the people. And there it is. And I contend that a
Blood-washed child of God is safe, that no curse can be put on a Blood-washed child of God. >> Pastor: It
is really true. >> Rev. Angley: And I've
told the people, I said, "all the witch doctors,
all the devils at one time possessing them
could come after me, but they couldn't do me any harm
because I'm under the Blood; I'm covered with
the Blood of Jesus." >> Pastor: Exactly;
that's how it was. >> Rev. Angley: And
that's how it worked. >> Pastor: Yeah. >> Rev. Angley: Praise
God; that's wonderful! And now you live through
the Blood of Jesus. >> Pastor: Yes.
And I have peace. >> Rev. Angley: And
you have peace and joy? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: Did you get
to- I want to know something, did you get
your wife back? >> Pastor: Yes, when she
knew that I was saved, just within a few
weeks, she came. >> Rev. Angley:
Within a few weeks? >> Pastor: Yes. >> Rev. Angley: The
Lord brought her back? >> Pastor: Yes, and she
said that she was praying for me always. >> Rev. Angley: Oh,
my dear brother, I'm so glad that you're
a pastor in a church, and God is blessing you. And that you understand
about demonic powers and that you know that
Jesus saves and heals. >> Pastor: Exactly. And the book which you,
which you gave me, once, I think it was last year,
"The Deceit of Lucifer," >> Rev. Angley: Yes. >> Pastor: When I read
that, I could understand it very well because I was
in those, those things so it helped me, and God has been
using me on that line. >> Rev. Angley: I want
you to tell the people how the people would be slain through that power
of the devil. And there's a difference
in that power of the devil and the power of
God slaying people. >> Pastor: Yes, there
is a great difference. There is a great
difference in that because through
the power of God, it is not something
you have to exercise or be like someone who
is doing something, but God does it
through the Word and the name of Jesus. I just used to charm,
and dance around smeared with mud and
what and they started- >> Rev. Angley: They'd
start falling out. >> Pastor: Yeah. >> Rev. Angley:
And you went down, the devil told you to
go down to the market? >> Pastor: That's right. That's right. >> Rev. Angley: And dance
around half naked >> Pastor: So, that the devil
can demonstrate the power. >> Rev. Angley: Could
demonstrate his power? >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: And
you would do that? >> Pastor: And
I would do that. >> Rev. Angley: But
you're able now to really separate
the power of God and the power of
the devil, right? >> Pastor: Exactly. >> Rev. Angley: You
know the difference. >> Pastor: I know
the difference. >> Rev. Angley: And there's
a drastic difference, isn't there?
>> Pastor: there is. >> Rev. Angley: When you know,
when you have the knowledge >> Pastor: That's right.
>> Rev. Angley: from God. >> Pastor: I do know. >> Rev. Angley: And God
gave you that knowledge. >> Pastor: He did. >> Rev. Angley: Are
you happy today? >> Pastor: Very happy. I'm rejoicing. >> Rev. Angley: Is
it really different in serving God and
using His power? >> Pastor: Yes, there
is a great difference, great difference. >> Rev. Angley: You
can sleep at night. >> Pastor: Oh, very well. >> Rev. Angley: And when
you're awake, you're happy. >> Pastor: I'm happy. >> Rev. Angley: But that
other was false, wasn't it? It was a false happiness? >> Pastor: The demonic
..., well no, >> Rev. Angley: It
wasn't for real? >> Pastor: There was
no happiness there. >> Rev. Angley: No
happiness there. >> Pastor: No, no,
there was no happiness. I always was very serious,
sad in my face, very cruel. >> Rev. Angley: Oh, you
didn't have any happiness? >> Pastor: No,
no I didn't. >> Rev. Angley: Oh, I >> Pastor: I
thought you were >> Rev. Angley: That's
what I wanted to know. >> Pastor: I thought
you were saying during my salvation journey. >> Rev. Angley: No, no,
no, I mean when you were a witch doctor. You didn't have
any happiness? >> Pastor: No, there
was no happiness. >> Rev. Angley:
No happiness. >> Pastor: No happiness,
there was cruelty in my life. >> Rev. Angley: And it was >> Pastor: There
was no peace at all. >> Rev. Angley: No
peace, just hatred >> Pastor: bitterness and >> Rev. Angley: bitterness. Well, all those
devils living in you and through you. >> Pastor: Yeah. >> Rev. Angley: They
had taken you over. >> Pastor: That's right. >> Rev. Angley: And there
was no peace and no joy. >> Pastor: No
joy, no peace. >> Rev. Angley: But
through the Blood of Jesus >> Pastor: Yes, it
brought me joy, peace and happiness. >> Rev. Angley: Neighbor, if
the Lord can deliver this man who was, it's hard to tell
how many devils had him. It makes me think about
Legion when Jesus met him. He was among the
tombs, out of his mind and the Lord delivered him; and the Lord delivered
this man, in our day. He's Jesus Christ,
is still the same. And if you're
bound in anyway, if you're in witchcraft,
you can be delivered. You've heard this man
tell you what it is, and then he's telling
you how to be delivered. And he's telling you
that the Blood of Jesus delivered him, and he is free
and happy at last, serving God and helping
others to find Jesus through His shed Blood. God bless.
