Intel... What the HECK are you DOING?? - WAN Show June 26, 2020

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and welcome to the wan show ladies and gentlemen second time's a charm we've got a lot of great topics for you guys today and we're gonna do our best as we go through them to sound like we're just learning about them for the first time i mean something i found out about really and legitimately not that long ago was doctor disrespect allegedly has been banned permanently from twitch this is something that's not in our dock the earliest reference i can find to it is from about four or five hours ago so this is very much breaking news and we can talk a little bit about what the heck might be going on on twitch right now because they are having a bit of a pr crisis at this moment in time uh in other news oh yeah more streaming news uh microsoft axes mixer joins the dark side excuse me sorry oh facebook gaming joins wow uh joins forces with facebook gaming and there's a whole bunch of implications there and uh luke i know you love the cpu topics i know you love it you know you love it tell us about tell us about the cpu this one this one in particular is actually quite fantastic intel claimed superior gaming performance over amd oh yeah yeah so that makes it oh oh wait wait wait wait wait wait graphic card for the comparison oh no no okay i kind of want to jump in right now and just get started on this topic can i just start on this topic we got an intro role man no no i want to also microsoft to permanently close all physical retail stores all of them all of them all the retail stores you have got to be kidding me okay we say it a lot we say it a lot it's going to be a great show today guys we got a lot to talk about today guys sometimes we lie sometimes we got nothing today we got everything there's so much there's caught fire this week okay it's fire it's fire ladies and gentlemen yeah all right we're gonna let's just let's roll the intro and then i want to dive right into that intel thing because it is just brutal rolling that intro there we go oh yeah right wait we gotta have some sponsors today uh uh uh moss backpacks bestie footwear and anchor with the power expand power expand wow that really sounds a lot dirtier than it probably is power expand whoa it's hot hot just like the news this week okay uh why don't we jump into this intel thing right off the hop here this was supposed to they should uh they should enlarge that product stack and get like the power extend the power extend the power gerthinator the power spreader oh wow that is very very uncomfortable luke thank you for that mental image schwelmo 92 posted this on the forum and here's the story underscore row game a respected hardware leaker has just shared some slides from intel comparing gaming performance of their 10th generation 10 750h mobile processors in an msi gl65 laptop versus the amd zen 2r9 4900hs mobile processor in the zephyrus g14 and if you guys remember from our review of the zephyrus g14 the verizon 9 4900 hs is i think the hs is short for hot stuff because that thing is freaking fire not that it actually runs hot it actually runs really cool its performance is just absolutely outstanding it is right up there when it comes to gaming with amd's desktop flagship processors um however intel saw fit to put amd in their place and the slides uh reference here hold on let's see if we can see if we can pull these slides up here because this is high freaking hilarious uh display capture um let's go ahead and uh not do that actually that's not what i meant to do uh you know what that actually worked out really great um fine sure let's roll with it here we go superior gaming performance for gamers with 10th gen core platforms at a lower price so base is sort of what they um the terminology they use to describe team red over here and then up to 20 better up to 22 better up to 18 better up to 20 better up to 23 better and not to forget up to 23 better again except we've got a small problem here if we just use our technology to enhance enhance enhance enhance enhance enhance okay if we enhanced it enough man this page does not does not enhance simulate very well here we let's let's enhance a different way hold on we've got more enhancing to do let me just enhance this hold on give me a second here ladies and gentlemen there we go kind of weird while you're busy enhancing yeah yeah these they used little laptops to display this information but they look like macbooks oh is that later on in the thing uh we'll have to get to that later give me give me oh oh that's cute oh they're little laptops i thought they just had lines under them that's adorable no all right so this is interesting we've got a core i7 10 750h right there got some bass clocks and boost clocks got some core counts and tdp ratings and cool stuff like that oh yeah it's a 10 10 watt lower tdp for the amd processor that's interesting uh also noted in here is nvidia rtx 2060 and nvidia rtx 2060 max q now that wouldn't normally be as big of a problem except that nvidia has gone and created some very very confusiony confusion around their rtx 2060 because they went and did a little thing where they refreshed their 2070 and 2080 mobile gpus with super variants and so it was very clear that those had better performance than the 2070 and 2080 that they replaced but then at the same time they went and replaced their 2060 without calling it a super but but they made the performance way better so what's actually going on here is the zephyrus g14 is running an older version of the rtx 2060 that doesn't have the the super under the hood even though nvidia's marketing people didn't see fit to include that bloody information and the intel laptop even though it's running a uh oh yeah sorry it's not only not running a max q but seems to be running a full tilt um 2060 so a max p as it's uh sort of colloquially known uh is not only running a max p but it's also running the newer variant this is this is this is this is my this is my understanding of what uh what went down here so uh so at the very least even if the the difference in uh hold on a second that's not in my notes the bit about um nvidia refreshing the cards so maybe they're both new ones you know what it doesn't matter what they should have done at least yeah they should have just they should have just colored both bars green nvidia versus nvidia yeah so here's what happened okay at the very least even if into uh nvidia's branding thing which i went off about and isn't in my notes so maybe it's not true and i'm i'm very hesitant to like double down on stuff these days even if that isn't what happened at the very least it's a max q versus a max p we are talking a 65 watt gpu versus a 90 watt one and the 65 one 65 watt one is limited to a boost of about 1185 megahertz while the max p1 the full tilt one runs at 15.60 so that is an increase in clock speed of hold on just a moment here let me do some quick napkin math which i do in a calculator app now because what freaking year is it uh 1560. hold on luke can you just refresh me real quick here uh on uh what were the claims that intel made with respect to the performance delta between these two laptops these intel and amd laptops here at a minimum delta of eighteen to twenty three eighteen to twenty percent so fifteen to sixty two up two yeah what it's up to was eighteen percent so how much how much is 1560 versus 1185 well that happens to be a 31.6 percent increase in clock speed that's real awkward yeah that's real it's real awkward right now it's got real it's like there's a partial other throttle on the system yeah it's almost stopping it from going that much faster okay i wouldn't i wouldn't actually i wouldn't actually say that because um mean i wouldn't actually say what they're saying yeah bumping bumping bumping your gpu clock 25 does not yield 25 more frames per second so i don't want to i don't want to accuse intel of also being slower in addition to uh not doing these benchmarks correctly but here's the problem guys like this is the kind of stuff that makes like it's just embarrassing you know it's just you're either evil or stupid at this point those are the only two options and i will say at least they did it it's a little slightly odd that they didn't bowl uh i don't know if it's even a bold they didn't highlight in white the graphics card on the zephyrus g14 but they did on the msi gl65 at least they did include that information we have seen like inside benchmarks uh completely hide that type of information in the past they could have definitely just included the model of the laptop and not noted the graphics card that's in there because it probably would have covered that unless these are laptops that come in multiple variants but usually there would be a suffix of some kind um so there's like some things going for them there i guess at least they were very clear about what they were doing they just shouldn't have done it no they shouldn't have done it there's actually quite a few things in here that they shouldn't have done and there's something that really it man one of the reasons this bothers me is that when intel destroys their own credibility they go and destroy the credibility of people that they work with as well this has been bothering me since last night when i was reading the comments on a techwiki video that we did on what exactly is a process node because i think to the to the lay person it's not really clear like why it is that 14 nanometer versus 10 nanometer is you know a full process node shrink you know or you know why is it that um why is it that going from 14 to 10 is a process node whereas going from uh hold on it's hard to do this math in my head so hold on 90 times 0.7 equals uh that would have been really nice is if they if they actually like using base for every single one of uh the the amd performance lines is is kind of annoying oh we need to showing that the baseline is actually zero okay there's a bunch of stuff in there we're gonna get don't worry we're gonna get back to that we're gonna get back to that but we did a video basically just explaining why it is that you have to go from 90 nanometer all the way down to 65 and then you only have to go from 14 nanometer down to 10 and then from 10 down to 7 to qualify as a full process node and the comments on the we we reached out to intel to get some clarification on this subject because they were kind of there the whole time um and the video is nothing but factual and the people that we were talking to at intel were not just you know marketing layers um or anything like that like they were actual technical people who we talked to um and instead of people just being able to look at this video and go hey here's some information about a thing that i didn't know about it's now stained by some of the marketing that intel is doing so when i said in the video um you know hey you got to remember that the process note is not the be all and end all people are misinterpreting that as some kind of an intel talking point that was actually something that i added on my own not because you got to remember a lot of intel's marketing over the years has been around how many freaking nanometers they're at and this video was an explainer of how that number and the meaning of it has actually shifted over time it's just informative it wasn't sponsored by intel and the information that's in the video is nothing to do with intel's current marketing messaging when i said that the thing that i was actually thinking of was nvidia versus amd right now amd is a node ahead of nvidia and getting absolutely curb stomped in terms of everything from performance to efficiency that is just the situation the reality of it is that not everything is just down to how many nanometers you have another example that i didn't get into in depth in the video because it was beyond the scope of the tech quickie like it's supposed to be quick it's supposed to be focused was that you can optimize a given manufacturing process like a given you know nanometer size a given transistor size you can optimize it for high power parts or low power parts i remember we ran into this when man which node was nvidia stuck on for freaking ever in the maxwell days um it escapes me right now it doesn't really matter the point is that there were smaller processes available but they were more optimized for high efficiency low power parts and were not properly optimized for a gpu which is why nvidia opted to stay on a previous node that had better optimizations for their use case versus just jumping to a node for the sake of having a lower you know nanometer number that they could put in their marketing that's the point i was trying to make and yet the comment section on this video is full of people accusing me intel basically accusing intel and by extension me of trying to downplay that amd is on seven nanometer and intel is still stuck on 14 nanometer for a lot of their products and just finally shipping some 10 nanometer stuff and it's like no that wasn't even one of the things intel mentioned that was just something that i felt was important for people to know and another thing that i said at the end of the video and this this is really pissing me off right now was i said that at the end of the day when you are shopping for a computer processor it comes down to the real world performance in the applications that you actually use and because of intel's stupid statements that they've been making recently about how pretty much down playing actual real world performance in real benchmarks because they're making the argument that a lot of people don't use those particular applications i'm getting caught up in this kind of crossfire where people are saying i'm some kind of an intel shill because i'm saying real world performance and applications that you use is what is important when you shop for a product that is true that is true today it'll be true 10 years from now it was true 10 years and 20 years ago and it has absolutely nothing to do with intel's marketing the problem is that intel is muddying the waters they're taking a benchmark like cinebench and they're saying well we should be putting less emphasis on this and we should be putting more emphasis on the applications that people are legitimately using every day the problem is that here we've got a slide from this great article over on videocards.com hold on where's this slide go and for video editing they're using magix fast cut plus the is magix fast cut plus and who the is using it how is that more real world than like you know cinema 4d which is an actual application that real actual professionals do use so people are drawing this false parallel between what i said which is that if you're gonna shop for if all you ever do is play fortnite that's that's all you do you go to work you get home you turn on your computer you play fortnite you go to sleep you wake up in the morning you go to work rinse and repeat that's all you do then the only thing that matters to you when you choose a cpu is how many fps you get in fortnite that's it that's all that matters because that's what you actually do with your computer you shouldn't buy a processor based on how good it is at running cinebench or how good it is at running adobe premiere or whatever the case may be that is a 100 truth the issue is that intel is using that truth as a shield and then twisting the narrative around to applications that people don't necessarily use that was intense that was that was my rant i was just really upset by people when i was reading the comments on that video because a i'm being accused of being a paid chill when i'm not all we did is talk to people at intel who told gave us real information nothing to do with these dumb slides which i promise you we are going to get back to in a moment here and people not understanding the video it was a bit of a deeper dive video and i can see how some people who think they're very smart and very perceptive and oh i'm seeing through the bs on this actually just had no idea what i was talking about and defaulted to criticizing instead of just trying to actually understand what i was saying i can see how there might have been some of that but um you know there's just no excuse for it if you don't understand the video don't leave a comment there was nothing in that video that was wrong and i said nothing in that video that was uh that was an intel marketing point that wasn't just completely correct now let's get into the problems with intel's marketing that are making them look bad making me look bad and making their partners look bad okay i'm going back to display capture guys you can check out this full thing over on videocards.com it really is worth a looky-loo because there's some there's some just kind of shockingly frustrating stuff in here sorry i'm just going to give it a little resizey size here so you guys can get a good look here so all right market landscape blah blah blah now these slides were limited distribution not for end users but the reality of it is is if you're intel you're kind of a big voice and whenever you say something people sit up and take notice so you can't pretend that when you're saying something it's not going to eventually end up in front of the eyeballs of end users it's just the way that it works i'm sorry guys i don't make the rules we live in the information age yeah you got to deal with that what do pc users actually do office applications games media consumption light content creation and game streaming and this seems to be color coded according to i don't know what this color coding is this is this is stupid these are stupid colors all right so chrome has a popularity of 63 i don't know why they would arbitrarily isolate chrome as web browsing i would say if you just said web browsing it would have a popularity of a hundred percent but you know whatever minor details uh word steam winrar yeah sure uh i mean oh man see okay okay we got we got some problems here like this is people making this slide that i feel like don't properly understand how people use their computers winrar might have a popularity of 37 in the sense that 37 of people have it or something similar installed on their computer when it comes to the percentage of time that i actually spend using winrar like what what fraction of a percent would that be for you luke i don't i haven't used okay i haven't used winrar in extremely long time yeah i haven't used winrar specifically in a very long time a a like application i would say like some tiny tiny decimal of a of a percentage sure yeah so i'm going to chat said 0.0001 i'll yeah yeah like once in a while when i download something that for whatever reason doesn't go straight into uh like a game launcher um all right so so winrar and you could make the argument that unzipping games is also like a a winrar-like application so i guess i do it a little more often than that 0.0001 or whatever but let's have a look at some of the other things that are showing up as popular popular uses uh obs at five percent i actually find that very hard to believe what what how are you getting i find all these that's the problem with these numbers is it's not like this is an invalid exercise figuring out what people actually do with their computers and then determining the value of your product compared to your competitor by looking at these things people actually do with their computers i just i just don't understand these numbers outlook is 17.6 when was the last time the cpu made a difference to outlook performance and and how do you how could you possibly say that obs has a 5 popularity what does that even mean i so i i think these slides are probably for people that are like the the product managers at at various companies and i think it is a little bit negatively manipulative for that reason but i don't it's probably not okay some of them like i'm extremely surprised 21.27 on vlc i was i was gonna that was my next one that was my next one there's no way there's just no way yeah um cs go is also written really weird there's there's some stuff in here that's really weird but like being putting a thing up and being like look this is this is what most people use is not useless to a product manager that might be a little bit spaced but it's being misused i think absolutely these numbers feel very arbitrary so then we move on to some of the other slides here gaming uh the 9700 kl performs at 3950x in popular games fair fair point um i don't know that i would say that far cry new dawn and far cry 5 are especially popular games right now in this moment um or almost any of these to be completely fair well that's an old game uh well yeah it kind of is far cry new dawn is kind of old total warhammer 2 total warhammer 2 that's that's actually current there's a bunch of these that people definitely play but like this is not if if we want to go back up to the what do pc users actually do uh graph if you try to apply that to these games they're going to be really low percentages yes uh okay so now let's talk frequency advantage drives intel's gaming leadership okay so like we and like some of these examples sorry to just jump back in yeah like world of tanks like yeah okay if you have a 9700k you're probably fine in world of tanks if you have a ryzen 9 39 and 50x you're fine in world of tanks so like you're not yeah intel needs to get their story straight because they can say that you know oh yeah it's only applicable to a small percentage of users uh you know cinema 4d which they have on there as 0.54 or adobe premiere which they have on as 3.7 that's only applicable to a small percentage of users i would make the argument that an 11 to 18 fps improvement in most games is only applicable to competitive players who are a very small percentage of users and a much better chart that they could have given is these are the applications uh this is the percentage of usage of these various applications that someone who's actually in the market for this processor will use not people that just use computers in general so they they want to kind of have their cake and eat it too or excuse me eat their cake and have it too i've been corrected on that it actually makes a lot more sense that way um so they want to say okay well these things aren't that important so we should like ignore them but also rah-rah-rah we've got this thing that i would make the argument that once you get beyond probably in the neighborhood of 75 to 120 or so fps it is a point of extremely diminishing returns for the vast majority of people i consider myself pretty sensitive to low fps like if there's a stutter or frame rate dip i'm gonna feel it if i get down to 70 to 85 fps but beyond about 100 i usually can't tell especially if i'm using like um a refresh rate synchronization technology like g-sync or freesync okay moving on frequency drives intel's gaming leadership yes having higher frequency versus more cores is more important for gaming these days and there's a reason that they chose the 9700k specifically it's a six core processor and boosting up the frequency does tend to give you better return yeah that's fair uh hold on a second where's your power consumption slide i don't see one that's unfortunate anyway um cpu performance based on real world usage yes this is a cpu that costs half as much but amd could easily pick and choose their compare points as well they could just as easily have taken intel's 9900 ks special edition or you know 10 900k or whatever and compared it to something like a 3600 or 3600x and they would have also looked really good in terms of price performance you don't get to take your value gaming chip and put it up against someone else's flagship chip they should have put it up against a 3800x or something like that something that's at least remotely price comparable now we get onto the everyday workload slide like this whole thing just really annoys me so that's where we've got this stupid magix fast cut plus powered by intel quick sync video up to 2.7 times faster yeah that's the problem with quick sync video though is that the support for it is so limited that it's sort of a it's sort of a nothing burger like when you can find something that uses it it's awesome but the reality of it is that when it comes to video editing most people are not using that tool most people are using adobe creative cloud and if they can't afford adobe creative cloud they are either using davinci resolve or they are pirating adobe creative cloud look i don't make the rules luke like but that's that's the way it is or they're on final cut because they're using a mac very few people are actually able to take advantage of that 2.7 times faster which is a very real advantage and when you use you know something like uh when you use a you know an actual dedicated encoding application and you can take advantage of that path it really is fast but gpus are also catching up so adobe in the latest beta of premiere and media encoder added support for cuda so it's now faster and supposedly without a quality drawback although we haven't actually tested that internally yet um but why you know why make the apples to apples comparison of the intel chip with nvidia encoding and the amd chip with nvidia encoding when you can pick and like cherry cherry pick this example where you get to be 2.7 times faster ah office productivity this is this is great eight percent better office productivity i mean like man we need the pepsi challenge back ladies and gentlemen do you think you could detect eight percent better uh powerpoint powerpoint performance in a blind taste test nope i would like to say that i could i would like to say that i am that sensitive towards performance improvements but uh in in productivity suites i'm not going to notice it which i i might be able to potentially at at certain levels of performance within gaming but not office productivity which isn't to say that there's anything necessarily wrong with pointing out that in sys mark 2018 you have up to seven percent better scores compared to your competitor that cost twice as much there's nothing inherently wrong with saying hey well you know yeah seven percent might not be a big deal but hey seven percent is better than a kick in the teeth ain't it it's just that they didn't manage to find any application where amd outperformed them even though those things do exist so and the thing is when when you have a list of charts like this where like you you start with that one that's just brutal of like the which we need to get back to still the the like no numbers on either side of the graph amd's listed as base up to whatever percentage we use a different graphs card all this other kind of stuff every single other slide after that what the heck every single slide after that becomes highly questionable and now now we're going to look at things like the the the small amount of desktop uh sorry not desktop uh productivity suite performance increase which normally we would just scroll over that slide and be like yeah whatever i don't really care it doesn't matter and move forward um but but now it we want to call it out because we want to call everything out just you can avoid these problems by just not being fishy in the first place yeah here's a really weird one like when okay you know what i'm i'm not gonna go too hard at this next slide because uh based on the timing i think that um amd's zen 2 value processors might not have been out yet so i'm not going to i'm not going to slam them for this uh intel really did deliver a better gaming experience on the low end uh before amd was uh had zen two uh chips available so the ryzen 3 100 and 3300 those are those are killer um the 3400g really was probably not worth settling for for gaming so i'm not going to go after them for that so let's go back to that one slide that you had wanted to talk about uh which one was the one you wanted one quick thing before we go back yep um if you look at the very next slide after everyday workloads yep elite real world performance for gaming and creating yeah this is all versus their last gen i think you also notice what they included hold on a second can i have a look here wait why is video editing in here oh gaming and creating okay sure fine versus three okay they just pick and choose what they're comparing against okay wait look at the video editing application that is used oh no what what is it i can't even tell premiere wait what now they use premiere they have the logo right there pr oh there it is oh you got to be kidding me that is ridiculous okay i you know what that's really ridiculous you're right you're right but i'm gonna i'm gonna move on to more cherry picking here and they just seem to have seemingly arbitrarily chosen what they want to compare against here the games hold on a second uh let me just let me just move this elite real world performance here we go so up to 33 more uh whatever this is is this what is this gaming uh more fps versus their own previous gen okay up to 81 more versus three-year-old pc uh okay up to 187 fps what is that what does that even mean up to 2x better mega tasking what am i like what am i even okay three-year-old pc never mind i only saw that over here i thought okay previous channel okay okay all right all right so these are all internal comparisons against their own stuff so that's fine i'm less mad about that but still the percentage stuff i'm not too worried about it's just the fact that they they they cherry-picked their example that no one uses previously for video editing and then they went and they used premiere when it mattered yeah and they're like well we know we know this one's the actually important one so we're going to include it in this later slide and just hope nobody notices so here's the bottom line real world performance matters intel is not wrong in that sense the thing that is wrong is taking someone else's benchmark that you feel is not real world representative enough and substituting your own equally not representative of the real world benchmark okay when i said in that video i'm going back to the comments on that techwiki video again when i said in that video that real world performance is what matters that is like an age-old wisdom that comes from back when cpu reviews used to contain almost nothing but the following stupid meaningless arbitrary synthetic benchmarks like scisoft sandra which just measures things like millions of instructions per second which doesn't necessarily translate to the real world okay so a purely synthetic benchmark it would also contain things like um oh yes right synthetic gaming benchmarks like 3dmark 2001 or whatever back then the tools to to measure the fps of real games were much more rudimentary very very difficult to use if you could get anything working at all um and you couldn't get the same amount of like detail you know frame times and stuff like that we didn't have tools for measuring it so you'd get these synthetic games that ultimately could be meaningless you could have one cpu that performs twice as good in you know 3d mark and then half as well in an actual game that people are actually playing so that's why that was important getting away from synthetic game benchmarks and then the other thing that you'd have was uh oh what was the other one that i had wanted to point out right yeah totally unrealistic real world gaming applications like people would run you know quake 3 at 640 by 480 just to show you know what the maximum fps that a cpu could drive was when you remove the gpu as a bottleneck and there is still some validity particularly to that last one because it does tell you okay when you remove the gpu as a bottleneck how many fps can you get so it's like turning a game all the way down to low settings and saying which one at the at the the end of the day is the better like gaming cpu um so you're trying to effectively like extrapolate to when games get more demanding you know which one is going to keep up for longer um but that doesn't inform how the user is actually going to use the computer none of those things do and that's why there was a big shift to real world benchmarks and whether intel likes it or not cinema 4d is a real world application that real people do actually use even if it's very few of them and one of the nice things about it for a reviewer is that it tends to give us a really quick look at you know what to expect in an application that uh scales really well across multiple cores so it's not synthetic and if you don't like you know cinema 4d or cinebench or whatever you could say that you could say that specific benchmark we don't feel is applicable to many people and i and they have said that but you don't get to then pick your own random benchmarks or real world applications that nobody uses and substitute those that is my point and that all is all i have to say about it now intel stop embarrassing yourself and stop embarrassing me because i have the you know poor sense to talk to you about something as basic as you know what a die shrink means and then have people jump down my throat because they think that what i'm saying is somehow part of your dumb bench marketing i'm calm now you want to talk about doctor disrespect getting banned from twitch wait luke i can't hear you i can't hear you luke right sorry there's people cheering outside my window sorry i meet him i'm like uh maybe talk to shrout about how you should present some of this stuff before you present some of the stuff and stop assuming that just because you put a usage guideline limited distribution not suitable for end user messaging that it's not gonna leak all of these things and besides if it's not suitable for if it's not suitable for end-user messaging it's not suitable for partner messaging you just shouldn't be saying it if you wouldn't say it to a customer if it could be considered misleading to say to a customer you should never say it to anyone that's that should be your rule and i thought you were talking to me when you were like talk to shroud i'm like why do i have to talk to shroud i don't need to talk to shroud i know i know shroud knows his stuff so we're talking about ryan shroud who used to run pc perspective and is now at intel like that's all these guys have to do talk to shrout because he would be able to look at that that slide deck and say whoa we cannot show this to anybody all right let's talk about doctor disrespect getting banned from twitch so i have no idea if these two things are related but there has been uh a a sort of resurgence in the hashtag metoo movement this time uh quite lazy on twitch we don't technically know that this one is in line with that i don't personally seen any public anything yet about it that does nothing no real information we have no idea what we do know and the reason that i was tying those things together is not because i think i i don't remember his real name unfortunately but uh not because i think that loop loop something is it you know it doesn't matter uh not because i think that um these things are necessarily directly related or that he was involved in any kind of sexual misconduct i have no idea i don't know the guy but um what i think it could be related to is platforms like twitch suddenly realizing and i don't know why it took this long that they really need to take some responsibility for the people that they partner with because that's what the meaning of the word partner is when you're a twitch partner you are you are partnered and whether you know whether you know your amazon and you put in your contract that uh you know i cannot in any way um uh imply that i am associated with amazon or affiliated affiliated that's the word because it used to be called amazon affiliate and they changed it to amazon associates so uh in the contract it says that i can't say that i'm affiliated with amazon formally in any way um but you actually still go to affiliate amazon.com or whatever it is to access the amazon associates program so whenever you have a word like affiliate i think that's why amazon got rid of it or partner you create this perception that you are you know working together and they are they're they're giving money to this this individual or these individuals and these individuals are creating content for their platform it is a partnership it's a symbiotic partnership and i think what twitch is realizing as part of this me too moment that is happening on twitch right now where everyone from prominent streamers to partner managers is being accused of impropriety right now is that holy crap it actually reflects on us when our partners do stuff that is terrible so i don't know ultimately what dr disrespect did part of his character is being disrespectful and he has definitely done stuff that i think um you know if he were employed at more of a conventional media organization like a like a news outlet for example would have gotten him absolutely fired and completely unhireable ever again like that incident where uh he live streamed in a public bathroom um so i don't know exactly what he did i suspect that it's just even if it's not directly related to what's going on right now with hashtag metoo over on twitch it is probably related to some kind of thing that i find believable that he might have done um and they they probably just want to create some distance now i have a bit of a tinfoil hat theory but i'm going to wait until uh see if luke has sort of two cents to chime in here first tinfoil hat theory is coming though um i i have heard a bunch of different ideas on this and and as far as i know there's no there's no publicly i can't wait inserted ones that are solved the one i don't watch his stream i don't really watch twitch streams in general every once in a while i jump on summit stream because i find his gta rp stuff really entertaining sure and i like it when you play sea of thieves um but i'm not really a twitch viewer but uh there's apparently some potential theories that it could be a um was it ftc violation due to some undisclosed sponsorships oh that seems i don't know you know what that doesn't make sense to me though because my understanding of those guidelines is that ultimately they fall back on the individual or excuse me on the brand not on the individual themselves now i haven't looked at the guidelines lately because for us it's a lot easier to just make sure that our disclosures are all in line um than to you know figure out what the consequences are but when i went back through this a while ago someone submitted a complaint to some kind of canadian regulatory body that uh we weren't disclosing sponsorships um so i went through and i i really immersed myself in the in the in the um in the documentation for this stuff i went through both the american and canadian ones because uh i'm canadian and a lot of our partners are american i felt like i needed to understand it on both sides of the border and we ultimately were found by the canadian organization to have not been um in violation of anything of any of their standards because they accused us of not disclosing a sponsorship but i was like this video that they flagged here we disclosed the sponsorship literally three times once verbally uh again in text and then a third time verbally it's like what are you talking about um anyway the point is the last time i looked at it my understanding was that when there was a violation it ultimately reflected on the brand that was paying not on the influencer themselves so there was sort of a really um sort of wild west era there anywhere from probably three to ten years ago where what was happening was brands did not properly understand these guidelines slash they didn't exist yet and influencers didn't care because ultimately nothing bad could happen to them so there were a lot of undisclosed sponsorships going around well here's the problem brands started to wise up when i think it what was it uh xbox got in trouble when they had a bunch of like undisclosed uh partnerships around the xbox one launch they had people playing games and not disclosing that they were sponsored by microsoft do you remember that luke uh yes i think that was sort of like a watershed moment for all of this when everyone kind of woke up and went oh it's actually microsoft that they're gonna go after so it is very typical now for non-shady companies to have really really strict guidelines in their partner contracts about how you have to disclose and it's all in line with the ftc now there's there's lots of companies that don't bother or don't understand it or think they're just going to skirt around it and i have seen still even now like even as as recently as this year and last year um some videos go up that i know for a fact are sponsored because like you know i worked on a video with the brand at around that same time with similar a similar spin on it similar messaging but for whatever reason mine is disclosed and the other person's isn't um or ones where i know from talking to the brand like who they're working with and i see the video go up and i'm like oh yeah that's not disclosed that's interesting um so it's definitely still happening but it's not nearly as prevalent as it was even two three years ago um so yes can i can i go tin foil hat for a second here yeah okay i think that it could be any reason i think it could be some kind of accusation i think it could be uh whatever the thing you said that sounded credible was some kind of undisclosed sponsorship thing i think it could be that i think that um he's probably done enough things that are bannable at this point that um there was some theory there was some theory in the past that he would intentionally get himself in trouble uh sure yep trying to get temp bands and stuff like that because it really actually lined up quite well with his character yeah with his brand and it gets them a bunch of press okay so whatever the reason is part of me kind of goes you know what maybe it actually doesn't matter maybe what twitch is realizing is like i said before they have a responsibility to their brand to associate or partner with people who are going to reflect on it positively and maybe they're having a little bit of buyer's remorse about that exclusivity deal that they signed with them and at this point the cost of not having him on the platform is less than the cost of paying him not to go to a platform that no longer exists because they just paid him reportedly an enormous sum of money millions and millions of dollars to not go over to mixer because realistically nobody was going over to facebook gaming if any of the scuttlebutt is to be believed um both ninja and shroud were offered significantly more than their existing mixer contracts to make the migration over to facebook gaming and didn't do it because nobody with a brand to protect right now wants it associated with facebook in any way outside of like the normie sphere like if if you have like a tech savvy or like a media savvy audience you do not want any association with facebook i mean aren't they going through like a corporate um a boycott right now i think i saw that uh oh who was it unilever just uh just boycotted advertising on facebook or something like that there's been a lot of pull outs um let me just double check make sure uh and yeah yeah unilever uh pulled out of both facebook and uh a twitter i believe verizon pledged to uh pull ads from facebook so like that is a super toxic brand so realistically the only thing left is youtube gaming and if i'm youtube gaming i'm not going to be signing any like gigantic uh gigantic deals right now i'm just going to let this toxicity on twitch play out and i'm going to sit there and go oh my goodness i'm not in the news right now this is wonderful so i kind of wonder if part of the timing is you know hey this guy was already toxic um now that we've made this big splash partnering with them it reflects on us even more uh and i wonder if they were just waiting for him to do something bannable that simple and save themselves yeah they they very recently signed a i don't have the exact date or the exact value on this uh but they very recently i think it was within the last two years signed a very large yeah it was so when when all those streamers were being poached by mixer they signed a big exclusivity contract with him so it still sounds a little bit surprising um that they dropped him you know yep um it's a huge deal and i mean the thing is like i think at the end of the day the dock is probably going to be okay but getting d platformed is extremely traumatic like i can i can probably count on my hands and toes or my fingers and toes the number of people that um have not just successfully but have but that have thrived moving from one platform over to another um yeah what's uh yeah sometimes sometimes it works okay when you continue on the previous platform um but fully switching is is often not super fantastic yeah as as we saw in a topic we're going to be going into with uh with ninja and shroud moving over to mixer oh yeah let's get through our sponsors real quick here before we move on to that uh this show is brought to you today by anchor the anker power expand direct 7 and 2 usbc adapter allows you to connect more devices to your macbook simply attach it to the side of your macbook via the usb type-c ports and you will get in return a thunderbolt port a usbc two usb 3as one hdmi one sd and one microsd it supports 4k at 30 hertz over hdmi and of course because you've got thunderbolt 3 you can connect to a thunderbolt display at up to 5k 60hz it's compatible with the macbook pro 2016 to 2019 and macbook air 2018 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you expect you know these these platforms to just kind of you know oh yeah i'll acquire yahoo acquired it and you're like what does yahoo even own like what does yahoo even do you know like that kind of thing you expect that but just gone acquire things and then let them die yeah exactly um this one just died on its own though uh all mixer sites and apps will redirect users to facebook gaming that's crazy um which i think we're gonna have to come back to that in a moment during the current controversy holy cow the the fact that they decided to do that was nuts uh the company stayed in a blog post on june 22 blindsiding definitely talked to a few people from that platform definitely blindsiding streamers employees and their partners the move microsoft said is in direct reaction to the company's lack of success with with uh uh growth in the mixer audience overall on the platform there is if you watch like uh shroud or ninja on that platform they will have a lot of viewers the issue is the platform as a whole the viewership has not really gone up and i really do mean that because it seems like the viewers from other streams just went to shroud and ninja yep it doesn't really seem that more people came to mixer don't quote me on this but i was reading an article that said that in the same time period mixer grew by like one percent and facebook gaming had doubled or something like that yeah i mean if you click on the the blue text that says stats you should be able to scroll down and see year over year growth that's a very interesting chart and it very accurately displays the issue um where there was a zero point two percent year-over-year growth from mixer there was no 138 year-over-year growth for facebook gaming 65 for youtube gaming and almost exactly a hundred percent for twitch there was no there was effectively no growth from mixer um and they had the the highest like opportunity to grow um being at a smaller number and bringing in these massive streamers and they didn't see any growth um streamers were locked into exclusivity deals with mixer and they were fully released from their contracts so ninja and shroud and i believe others were fully released from their contracts ninja's deal was estimated at 20 to 30 million dollars and he has been fully released from his contract uh facebook apparently offered them wild amounts of money i don't have exact some people were talking about potentially 2x the original contract amounts and neither as far as i know neither shroud nor ninja have publicly stated what they're going to be doing moving forward i mean i would i would for 60 million dollars i would definitely be thinking about it at least look look you know what you can facebook very bad very very bad on the record very bad here i am so clearly they're never going to make me an offer at this point than if i keep burning bridges like this but uh man for like 50 million bucks uh man i would at least have to think about it you know if they offered me 40 million dollars like i would definitely i would definitely have to at least talk to the wife you know like if facebook called up and they were like look i'll give you 30 million dollars to stream on facebook gaming it's it's worth it's worth considering okay okay okay hypothetically they offer 20 million dollars i just keep going down you have to at least think about it this is accepted 40 million but you had to cease all activity on all other platforms i wouldn't do it right yeah i wouldn't okay okay let's let's just go let's just say uh flow plane and youtube because those are the other only other because like twitter and instagram is not the same level of video i have to stop no there's no way i'm a youtuber like for better for worse um i kind of i kind of live or die by that sort um you know if if youtube dies that's you know i would probably just i'd probably just hang up my screwdriver uh you know like honestly like i think i just like i like the statement i i would i would keep like i would probably keep creating some content but it would be something that i would do as a hobby as opposed to my profession i think it is very likely right yeah yeah things that you found interesting like i could see myself legitimately and in like a semi-retirement where i'm still on something like float plane and i'm still on twitter and just like you know tweeting random thoughts and i'm still like you know live streaming just playing video games um to like that audience in particular is really fun to engage with uh you know i could i could see myself doing that because it would it would be justifiable because these are paying these are effectively paying customers that want to engage with you and um you know it's it's way better you know use of time compared to you know ad-supported platforms so in that sense like i could i could definitely justify taking the time to do something like that but if i was effectively like d platformed like where i do most of my volume business as opposed to like my high profit business i i just i don't think i'd want to pick up the pieces again it's demoralizing even if i could do it and i think i could do it i think i think i'm a very good you know online personality um i think that's fair to say at this point i think if i wanted to make it as a game streamer i could make that work or whatever um but it would just be it would be borderline depressing to have to start over yeah i i could definitely see that um i don't know if that's what you're asking that that is and i want to jump back on that quick i just want to finish the notes here facebook is offering 2 500 signing bonus to mixer partners and it was much easier to become a mixer partner than it was a twitch partner um who they're offering that twenty five hundred dollars if they join uh the facebook gaming creator program and stay for 90 days along with fulfilling obligations which is probably like minimum streaming times and days etc um now what do you think let's focus on what everybody's focusing on which is which is ninja and shroud what do you think they will do and you cannot answer uh individually if you want i think they're going to end up going back to twitch i think that they're going to go back to twitch with uh less lucrative deals but i think twitch is in a position where again talking about you know d platforming so they d-platformed from sweden do you think after after getting potentially 30 million dollars as a signing bonus then just being able to walk away that ninja is going to in a certain way crawl back to twitch and take a worse contract what are his other options he could just quit he could stream wherever he wants he could go to youtube at this point he has spoken out against twitch specifically and they trashed his channel after he left do you remember that that's true no i had actually forgotten about that i did know that they weren't going to accept them back with open arms i do know that yeah like like ninja had to specifically call out twitch for abusing his channel um and there was uh there was there was some very odd content posted on his stream i don't remember exactly what it was um but but they they posted stuff on his page that he was very not okay with youtube chat's like only fans oh man you know what is the man what is the answer because nothing beats the discoverability well okay they have terrible discoverability but once you're big nothing beats the discoverability of twitch if you're a game streamer period um if you don't want to get in bed with facebook which i can understand not wanting to do you can't go there youtube gaming like so shroud yeah honestly i wouldn't be too surprised if you went back to twitch uh i feel like his his cut from twitch was much cleaner uh yeah for sure um and i don't remember much public at least major fighting between them ninja's cut from twitch was not clean um he got very upset with them they seemed to get pretty upset with him um twitch as a whole streamed some stuff on his page that he was extremely not okay with i don't want to say the word for what it was because it might uh flag this video um but like and and he he posted a whole video uh essentially if we want to use like civilization terms uh he denounced twitch in a certain way like like we've been playing lately uh moving out why do they keep denouncing me they just have more i just have more great people than them um but uh i guess in this situation actually um but yeah i think it would be a very interesting move if he went back to twitch and i think it would definitely take some explanation due to the fighting that has happened in the past and i think it would take both sides kind of coming together and trying to wipe the slate clean i do not think it would just be ninja crawling back i think it would be both sides trying to split their differences and try to move forward if he goes back to twitch i honestly wouldn't be too surprised if he maybe went to youtube my reasoning for that is facebook's super controversial right now i would be very surprised if either of them went to facebook um twitch for ninja is rather controversial right now i wouldn't be stunned but i'd be a little bit surprised if they made that work again but youtube is kind of this neutral zone um it also doesn't go in line with the the statements he was making when he first moved to mixer which is that he could maybe uh help guide and direct the direction there and have a bigger voice yeah having a bigger place i think you'll have no voice at youtube basically yeah they don't really seem to care i was actually decently surprised that the youtube gaming numbers were as high as they were on that stats page last year they kill the dedicated app and when's the last time they said anything about youtube gaming they're just lucky i guess and just it just carries from the youtube name as a whole well yes and no i mean there's there's no luck to how good youtube is at live video delivery and vaude video delivery like good engineering at some point is valuable yeah the dashboard is horrible um the actual usability of youtube live is terrible um i mean i know how to use it now it's okay yeah but selling intuitiveness and ease of use is probably close to worth and worst in the industry um i'm sure they'll figure it out because they're youtube but right now it's very bad so like i i just losing his voice almost completely all these other things would be a surprising i don't know everything from him i think is just gonna be a surprising move because like the the youtube move is so against the reason why you went to mixer yeah and the twitch move is so against everything as far as i know that he said about twitch since he left so you know what i mean you know 20 or 30 million or let's say it's even just 10 million dollars that really is set for life money um maybe they just stream as a hobby and it actually doesn't really matter where they go you know what i'm i'm here okay fine fine with all the extra information you've given me you've made it easier i think uh i think ninja stays on youtube i think shroud makes a triumphant return back to twitch there because i mean ninjas got like 20 million subscribers on youtube it's not like he's like starting over there he's really big on youtube yeah he would do super well he always had massive fortnite clips yep um he would do super well on youtube for sure and he he was one of the twitch people who always talked about their youtube audience as well and like like you youtube felt like a like a side thing in the story instead of a uh weird underlying platform like it was it was a platform that he definitely cared a lot about i'm gonna say neither of them gets a sweetheart deal to go anywhere though at this point uh except for facebook but well apparently they've both publicly turned it down yeah so but they still got the deal well yeah uh who knows it was him or not but uh whoever manages his youtube channel has uploaded a video there as recently as seven hours ago yep and that wasn't like oh geez we have to keep this going there's videos going up there all the time they could come to float plane just saying we've i had someone in chat actually ask uh this is a super chat uh over on youtube could floatplane support um those kinds of viewers um the answer is yes but with a big asterisk so right now the way it's architected we could support a nearly unlimited number of concurrent viewers but not a nearly unlimited number of concurrent streamers so if like one of them on top of that as well but yeah yeah if if one of them showed up we could probably make it work like you know all three of these guys knocked on our door and were like hey we'd have to we'd have to real quick fast duct tape engineer some stuff and uh it might not be smooth probably wouldn't go that well probably we could try though probably wouldn't be swimming well we could like manually baseball try we could manually do an email no no hold on a second hold on i got an idea i got to work around luke we just manually fully duplicate the entire streaming infrastructure we have now for each of them beautiful okay tell me it wouldn't work tell me it wouldn't work i mean yeah go on i think aj would have to like take the the second half of the year off and do all the rest of his hours in the next four weeks but it wouldn't work you could i mean you could do it hey there it is let's get it done yeah we've done most of our work on vaude at this point um yeah all right uh okay do we have any other big topics i feel like we still do anything oh my goodness microsoft to permanently close all physical retail stores uh yeah apparently this was not uh pandemic related or at least not pandemic hinged like it wasn't purely done because of the pandemic um retail is dying to change i think at the same yeah retail is dying and i've walked past many at microsoft store and seen them completely empty but i think microsoft is having a little bit of trouble like like honestly outside of xbox they are a little bit newer to the hardware space yeah they're not brand new but they're a new player they needed more they need more actual microsoft products to make it worth it to go in their store and experience them and experience them working together that's why apple is successful because in order to it part of experiencing an apple product is experiencing how it works with apple's other products whereas i don't think microsoft really has that story in a compelling way outside of xbox and even that is basically in its infancy as far as i can tell like they're really still like if if part of the experience of going to a microsoft store was gaming with my friend on a pc and me being on an xbox that'd be like super cool i'd be like yeah that's something that you that's an experience that you would have to go to a store in order to have and fully fully appreciate um but when microsoft started just like filling up these stores with like partner notebook skus and stuff like that i was like what are you guys even doing like there's no money in reselling notebooks and i'm not that's not to say that there is zero money in it there's just not enough to support all that retail overhead and microsoft's not the kind of company that can afford the risk of having poorly trained people in their stores that you know create some kind of racist hullabaloo or whatever the case may be like you just you just can't afford it so they have to have expensive and thorough training programs and all that stuff and there's just so much overhead involved so this doesn't surprise me see i have seen a lot of them so i thought they were more common uh but apparently seven of them are in british columbia alberta and ontario so maybe that's why i think that but they only had 83 stores worldwide which is a lot less than i thought 72 of them were in us wow yeah so they were basically all north american yep so this was we have one in the taiwan tech mall is that like the other one i'm not sure i thought like razer had a store there or something i think they only have four outside of that so like yeah i i don't know online's the way to go and they've got some cool new features coming to their online storefronts including one-to-one video chat that's pretty cool online tutorials virtual workshops and more digital solutions that makes so much more sense because it's like i remember someone talking to me about why i don't do more in-person fan engagement and the the cold hard truth is that it's not great use of my time not because i don't enjoy it i really do and that's why we do ltx or at least we normally do uh because i i love it it's a blast the problem is that if i have two hours to do something i can either tweet like hey anyone want to meet up at the starbucks and i can engage with three people or i can sit down in front of my computer and live stream and engage with a thousand people or ten thousand people are a hundred thousand people uh so you know what's a better return on the investment of my time at that point online i don't think your sieve streams get a hundred thousand people bro they get a thousand and that was one of the numbers i said [Laughter] if i make a video i can reach a hundred thousand people like that so there you go smart guys it's true yeah one cool thing actually in hearing the part about like the the one to one video chat yeah online tutorials uh virtual workshops and stuff like that is there's no information yet about layoffs i would find it extremely difficult for them to keep everyone related to all 83 stores employed in those ways but they might be able to flip some of them and be able to retain any of these people during a pandemic is really good news for those people yeah being able to transition those people to potentially working from home is also kind of a cool idea um some of the microsoft stores will apparently be reimagined as microsoft experience centers in london new york city sydney and redmond that might even be a better idea oh man there's like so much news this week we didn't even talk about this yet uh nvidia releases the first driver with directx 12 ultimate support and hardware accelerated gpu scheduling also there's a windows update that shows your gpu temps right in task manager that's so cool um so this is really good news for rtx card owners making rtx variable rate shading and mesh shading easier for developers to implement that's great they also support hardware accelerated gpu scheduling which allows the gpu to directly manage vram sweet microsoft says this lowers latency and can lead to higher minimum fps numbers love it and there was just one more thing that i wanted to talk wow we didn't even talk about the whole apple arm thing but that's okay i did a dedicated video about that reaching a million people by the way luke um uh wait no i guess that's it was it just like a super chat thing that i had wanted to talk about uh steam summer sale rip your wallet civ six is 15 bucks um oh you got to be you've got to be kidding me i just paid 80 canadian dollars for it uh you may be able to uh ask for a refund and uh they they will basically give you the difference between the discounted price it's called price protection yeah i can i can apply for price protection i may i may just do that because that's a lot of money anyway yeah there's also a bunch of other interesting discounts it's the steam summer sale almost every discount is going to be the same as almost every other steam sale but there is some cool stuff in there man there's even super chats about how doomed retail is macy's apparently cutting staff i just saw in the news a couple days ago gnc filing for bankruptcy and closing 1200 stores so that's like one of those supplement vitamin places chuck e cheese no yeah chuck e cheese not chuck e cheese chuck e cheese parrot company we closed 34 locations permanently whoa it's it i went there a little while ago the one in langley it was pretty bad it's like they haven't really done anything they had that story about reusing pizza and stuff too yeah yeah crap crash crawlies crash crawlies for life actually their food's pretty bad too anyway sorry back to back to super chats here um pro gogurt says how do you think the ps5 ssd will compare to optane um i mean it's just it's such an apples to oranges comparison opt-in is all about low latency and the ps5 ssd is all about uh architecting um the whole system so that games have direct access to the data on it so it's just like it's just not the same thing at all so to speak uh aj35 lightning says would you consider dailying the new xperia one actually yeah um i would definitely consider it because the one thing my note 9 does not do well these days compared to newer phones is the camera is falling behind a little bit [Music] core maximus says after 90 90 days after purchase netgear charges a hundred dollars for phone support to file an rma really wish i didn't buy a nighthawk after seeing your sponsored vid i'm really sorry to hear that is there a reason you didn't file an rma online though you gotta understand i mean i'm not saying this is right that's horrible and they shouldn't do that but netgear is more of like a b2b um slash uh yeah business to business company and so it's pretty normal for you to have paid phone support after a very short period of time for those types of products and i think this is one of those cases where they just don't really fully understand that when you're selling to consumers you like actually can't do that so yeah raise a stink complain try and get a refund but it doesn't surprise me that much but that also doesn't mean that it's necessarily a bad product i'm sorry yours was uh doa though uh ludo says i'm already paying on float plane hi from quebec you inspired me to work in it and then leave the field because i liked it better as a hobby lmao you know i don't even blame you don't even blame you yeah what else we got here uh muhammad says since ten dollars thanks for the free bottle replacement after the paint job faded it's not free anymore if you send a 10 super chat dude uh general disregard says uh gotta keep the personal protective wait no ppt what's ppt performance on point ppt what is ppt performance luke help me out performance product technologies oh powerpoint oh that's probably when we're talking about the intel thing all right fair enough uh what else we got in the intel slides it compared to 3400g with integrated graphics versus an i3 with a dedicated gpu i actually didn't even notice that i'd have to look closer at them to validate that but uh all right thanks christian johnson um let me have a look is there anything else uh josh asks how can float planes succeed when mixer and microsoft cannot yes it's different but floatplane was just included in the same category let's hear it well floatplane for better or for worse hasn't really found its it's calling yet i mean i think if luke and i had said two years ago uh you know what let's do an only fans type concept uh floatplane could absolutely be a gigantic platform today it's not a deficiency of the actual video delivery technology it's just a matter of us figuring out sort of what the identity needs to be because i think the earlier vision was that creators would just kind of decide what the identity was but that seems to have kind of uh made our messaging unclear we still we still have work to do on the site anyway and the thing about floatplane is that massive shout out by the way to our floatplane pilots and all the people who follow slash subscribe slash whatever we call it um on floatplane to linus media group and to the other creators we have on there like bitwit techdeals uh ufd uh forgotten weapons is one that's actually been crushing it on the platform lately uh he's uploaded he's uploaded look at this he's uploaded 10 videos in the last week and just like killing it there i already watched a lot of his content but now i watch like a lot a lot of his content really cool stuff really cool stuff um a fun one about that i don't i don't know worst aka ever i'm gonna go into it anyways but um a fun one about that is that i can watch his content with my grandpa right and yeah yeah and he'll he'll like add in his own like experience or knowledge of those firearms and whatever else as well and that's really interesting too so that's it's it's made this like cool loop where i just like email my grandpa videos from him and go like oh i thought this one was cool because of these reasons and where your grandpa actually understands what you do for a living even though you're like a developer it's pretty much the only thing that's been able to like bring us together in that way it's been kind of cool that is very cool because i remember your grandpa was not super approving of like our shenanigans in the early days with a knife at one point that was very awkward yeah that was that was really not great he also when i made the uh i don't know if the the audience knows this but when i made the fallout bomb video um he took that a little seriously instead of just like that i built a computer inside of a a thing i was like from a video game because the authorities might come for you and stuff and i'm like it's okay it's okay gramps they're a little bit more calm about internet stuff these days yeah i'm sorry so yeah because of the supporters that we have over there now we can take our time uh we don't have to worry about like oh you know we're losing money well we gotta we gotta sell this thing or we gotta you know go raise a bunch of venture capital from people who are going to pressure us to sell it or pressure us to to change it in ways that we don't agree with or whatever the case may be we can take our time we can figure out what it is um you know i'll i'll say it outright like i would not be against bringing on a controversial figure like dr dr disrespect or i would not be against what happened first yeah i guess i wouldn't mind knowing what happened but in general we are not looking to shy away from controversial figures and i don't even think we would shy away from someone who's posting explicit stuff either like it's it doesn't really have an identity and that was sort of intentional um but we'll see whether we decide to change that in the future and and kind of rebrand it in some way or whether we decide to leave it the way that it is right yeah so that's my long answer to that question um eric jackson says can i get a shout out for adored tv he was even on one of those video card slides there it is shout out to adored tv right there yeah and i think that's pretty much it for the show thank you guys very much for tuning in we're a ton of you watching today holy smokes over 3000 on twitch over thirteen thousand on youtube and then i still don't have a live viewer counter on uh floatplane loop i'm sure you're working on that uh so how however many of you are playing yeah yeah however many others are breaking actually a lot more than we used to have i can just tell by all the chat activity so thanks for tuning in guys we'll see you again next week same bad time same bet channel bye
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Published: Sat Jun 27 2020
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