Intel Arc 2024 Revisit & Benchmarks (A750, A770, A580, A380 Updated GPU Tests)

Nvidia has shown that it it doesn't care that much there's some 30 series stuff go buy that if you want it you peasants otherwise up here for the nonp we have the 40 series when int Arc launched I remember talking to one of the people I respect the most in this industry he's highly technical brilliant technical analyst and it's David caner and he's been interviewed on this channel before but David said to me Intel doesn't have to be number one uh it just has to be second place he said Intel won't take market share from Nvidia it's going to take it from AMD and he was absolutely right Intel Arc has been competing at the more budget end of cards since it launched and that's exactly what Intel has to do because it's battling from a weaker position Nvidia has shown that it doesn't compete there many years ago an Nvidia employee told me when I asked about how do you intend to compete with these AMD price cuts of whatever card it was he said Steve we don't compete on price we compete on quality and Nvidia with the modern 40 series its lowest card for price is a 460 at $300 so Intel and AMD are the ones who are in the closest competition at this we'll call it budget end of the market these days flexible use the word there mid-range uh but AMD is the one that really has to fight hard and interestingly AMD has been fighting pretty hard against nvidia's $700 $800 class card so things are changing a little bit where they're all starting to fall into their own place and Intel is the one we're focusing on today because the launch of Ark was abysmal it was the worst GPU launch that we have ever covered and it was all because of the drivers our immediate concerns were that Intel would kill the projects before it could fix the drivers that corporate management would lose faith in it late last year we Revisited Arc for drivers and we saw that they had improved a lot and now we're revisiting performance now that the market has adjusted uh and shipped the rest of the cards at least for now in the refreshes so our early conclusions were that when it worked the hardware was competitive but it was the when it worked that was problematic because we couldn't recommend something that works sometimes really well and other times not at all uh that has slowly been shifting and now going on almost 2 years later we feel a little more comfortable recommending Arc to a slightly wider group of users this huge list of patch notes were showing is just one of the two most recent drivers Intel published similar sized updates for over a year now and that's dangerous for AMD and Nvidia whenever they're competing in a similar price class to Intel's Arc cart because AMD and nvidia's drivers are so impressively mature and established already that there's little extra juice to squeeze out of driver updates and that's where we think AMD is almost more threatened right now at this range of the market than Nvidia is NVIDIA has shown that it doesn't care that much there's some 30 series stuff go buy that if you want it you peasants otherwise up here for the non-pes we have the 40 series and that leaves AMD which oddly again has been fighting harder at the 7900 XT Mark than down here so let's look into it before that this video is brought to you by thermal Grizzly and the cryos sheet graphine pads these cryos sheets are molecularly stacked in the z-axis to encourage vertical direct thermal transfer from the IHS to the cooler cryo sheet pads are made to be easily applicable for a thermal interface and completely avoid past dry out because it's not paced it makes them particularly useful for lawn service life systems with minimal maintenance they come in multiple sizes for suitability on the most common laptops and desktop CPUs and you can learn more at the thermal Grizzly cryo sheets at the link in the description below today's testing will be focused on the improvements for Intel Arc we're looking at the a770 the a750 the a580 we have A380 results in there as well uh it's not really the key Focus today but they're in there if you care about them we're testing with the latest 5252 drivers that are supposed to further bolster performance in several games and these were preceded by 5234 not a huge change between them in fact in most instances there's zero change uh it's just that there were some iterative improvements with 5252 for Starfield so we added those and they both offer a huge list of dx11 improvements and some dx12 improvements Intel's biggest challenges have been directx9 and DirectX 11 and they really focused on directx9 dx11 has been the next Focus so that's supporting those older games and anything coming out today that's been development for long enough to use either uh Intel's also changed how it's running dx9 uh or is working on changing and how it's running dx11 we'll have news for you soon on that and some of the technical details of it that should improve as well but the video today will be a mix of benchmarks and some talking head commentary just for fun to talk about where things are right now because we think this is a lot more interesting than what Nvidia and AMD have sh out for the last month pricing is a good starting point so let's start there with some quick browsing here's the update on the relevant part of the market in US pricing the Intel rcade 770 16 gigb model which is what we're testing these days is typically around $290 to $300 a750 has its cheapest entry at $25 at least at the time of writing uh a sparkle variant that we tested is at 210 and plenty of others are in the $220 range the 750 has been the card we've tended to recommend the most out of Intel's current lineup and that's been because of the value the a580 is pric at $165 at the lowest with other options at $180 with new Egon Amazon listings the A380 is priced at around $120 these days with the A310 the only card not tested today since it's too lowend for these tests at around $90 to $110 for competition the RTX 460 is nvidia's cheapest and most relevant 40 series card priced at around $300 to 320 the 4060 TI 8 GB is still around $400 and is in a substantially different price class from Intel's options today the 3050 is around 250 bucks these days for the 8 GB model and will underperform every single one of these cars we've mentioned so far except the A380 and the 3056 GB doesn't count there's also the 3060 at $285 for AMD it's mostly the 7600 at $260 the 7600 XT the brand new car at $330 and the RX 6600 from last gen but still a great value at $200 the 6600 XT is around $2 40 bucks also a pretty good value the past year and the 6650 XT refresh is at 250 so those 6600 series cards are going to be the most relevant from amd's price to Performance standpoint while the 7600 is it's most relevant from the newest standpoint so there's a surprising amount of cards in this price class actually if you really look at it it's just that most of them are from AMD and from Intel the AMD part's not surprising Intel is obviously the the new one to arrive to this part of the market but Nvidia has only one modern option that's anywhere close to this price class and uh again the 3050 6 GB technically is a new card but it has cut down cores it is slower for frequency a lot uh and uh it it doesn't count so it's 4060 is the closest relevant one other than last gen stuff where it's kind of the 3060 and we have that in the charts as well for the charts today we have cut the high-end from them to make space for all these cards so the 490 480 480 super 700 XTX those have been removed the 6950 in a lot of instances removed if you want those numbers check our 480 uh super or actually you get more numbers in the 470 TI super review and that'll give you the high end we've also just published the article versions of our super reviews on Gamers access.net and this will join them in a few days so you can check it out there as a reminder that's an adree version of all of our reviews absolutely no thirdparty banner ads so it loads stupidly fast as a result it's single page no jumping through a ton of pages for review and if you want fast answers on Hardware performance check out the site it's all entirely funded by you all so to support our adree written reviews and to support the benchmarking that happens here in the videos head over to store. Gamers nexus.net and please consider grabbing one of our comfortable t-shirts with PC component designs our silicone soldering and project mats with extreme heat resistance or our GN 3D emblem glass the 15th anniversary edition which has a super cool metal emblem on the glass you can find all that on the store let's get into the testing Resident Evil 4 had the Intel a750 at 4 to 105 FPS average which is about tied with the RX 6600 XT and RX 7600 gpus it's a great place for the a750 to start and at a lower price than the RX 7600 it's also competitive the a770 pushes up to 116 FPS average leading the brand new freshly launched $330 RX 7600 XT by 5.2% while costing $40 less as for NVIDIA its last genen 3060 TI is about equal while the new 4060 about $10 more than an a770 falls behind in this chart it's remarkable comparative performance for Intel for the a580 we saw 91 FPS average that ranked it between the RX 6600 currently still available for 190 to 20000 bucks and the RTX 2070 super it's not distant either from the goated 1080 TI and finally the A380 is predictably at the bottom of the chart it's the lowest end card we've tested any time recently so we need to add the GT 1030 or gtx650 class cards to compare closer at 1440p the a750 and a770 remain in completely playable territory despite the increas in graphic strain the a580 is also playable here although depending on your preferences maybe just barely the A380 predictably can't handle this and the important comparisons go like this the a750 runs about 72 FPS average tied with the brand new significantly more expensive 7600 XT which falls in relative position in this test from The increased pixel processing load that means the 7600 XT is 57% more expensive than the a750 for equivalent performance so in other words yikes the RX 7600 meanwhile is also functionally tied but it still costs more as for NVIDIA the 4060 allows Intel a lead of almost 5% but Intel maintains the cost Advantage the a580 also punches above its weight class landing at 62 FPS average and leading the RX 6600 by 7% and finally the a770 leads the 7600 XT by about 9% with the 4060 TI leading the a770 more notably at about 14% at 4K the a770 doesn't quite make it to playable territory without any upscaling assistance or lower settings comparatively it's now about equal to the 4060 TI though which has shifted down due to weaknesses in places like memory bandwidth we talked about that with the 460 TI review we're moving on to Rainbow Six Siege this game was the bane of int's existence at launch posting some of the worst performance we'd seen for this level of Hardware ever it was so so bad that Rainbow 6 was one of the first titles that Intel specifically targeted for improvement prompting follow-up testing where we actually did see the parts start to improve for the first time in today's updated chart though in first at 4K the A50 runs at 79 FPS average and roughly ties both the 4060 and the 7600 in average 1% .1% Lads given that it's cheaper than both that's another strong position for Intel especially with the frame time pacing now being fixed the a770 sits between the 6700 XT which outpaces the 7600 XT and the RTX 460 TI the a770 is lead over the 7600 XT is 8% with a lead of 10% over the 4060 and the 4060 TI leads the a770 by 12% similar to last time just for perspective we have two a580 entries on this chart that's intentional other cards haven't changed nearly as much but Intel has and that indicates that Intel's improvements largely came from its drivers not just the game which itself has updated the old a580 result had it at 36 FPS average with completely unplayable and highly inconsistent loads the frame time pacing was bad the new drivers have brought that up to an impressive 68 FPS or a 91% improvement shows how much power the drivers have when they're not as mature as Nvidia are the lows have gone from broken to actually consistent and that pulls it ahead of the 6600 at 1440p the int Arc cards fall in the ranks comparatively they're doing a lot better at 4K against the competition the a750 here though outperforms the RX 6600 XT by 5.3% but the 7600 leads the a750 by 133% up at 177 FPS average the a770 also doesn't scale as strongly here roughly tying the 4060 and falling behind the 7600 that odd behavior continues at 1080p where Intel struggles to keep rank with its normal competition the r 7600 now leads the a750 by around 25% which is a massive change the a770 is is also behind the RTX 460 and the RX 7600 at least they're playable but this does illustrate ark's weakness as being its General unpredictability at times DL 2 at 1440p the $290 Arc a770 Rivals the $400 460 TI the latter of which has an advantage of only 7% despite a price increase of 38% against the 7600 XT the a770 manages a lead not only in better pricing but in outright performance with a 10% Advantage the a750 is roughly tied with the 7600 XT the 4060 and the 7600 meaning the primary differentiating factor between these in this game is price and as for the a580 it's competitive with the 6600 XT here which is a good spot for it to be at 1080p the 4060 climbs and equals the a770 GPU the 7600 isn't far behind the a750 approaches the 7600 levels of performance but has clearly Fallen somewhat from its higher resolution rankings Final Fantasy at 4K the a770 runs at about 56 FPS average which has it 5% ahead of the RTX 460 the 460 leads the a750 by 9% AMD 7600 XT is about tied with the a750 doing it no favors in a price battle finally the a580 is now about equal to the 6600 XT at 1440p the a770 is tied with the 4060 in all metrics leading the 7600 XT and the 7600 the a750 is perceptibly equal to the 7600 from a user experience standpoint although with technically better 1% Lads and the a580 is flanked by the 6600 and the 360 Intel is competing with its similarly classed Parts here that's all it needs to do at 1080p a wider Gap forms again so this seems to be a trend between some games with Intel the 4060 at 190 FPS average now leads the a770 by 3.7% the a770 is about tied with the 7600 for average FPS now it's only only advantage in this chart is price this time in an absolute sense the a580 and the A380 are both playable here in the very least unfortunately for Intel it's sometimes just completely broken GTA 5 appears to be one of those times in this test none of the Intel cards could get out of the 30fps range when running with these settings you can still get the frame rate higher but you have to drop the settings and the resolution and the point here is that they are deviating from what we expected from all the other results so based on the previous charts the a770 should be at least up around 50 FPS if not closer to 60 but it's just not doing it here Starfield is another one that's specifically broken in a sense on Arc and they know this in fact their latest driver was supposed to fix this but we're not seeing the fix we tried these drivers and the ones that predate them one revision as well and both produced to the same result unfortunately for Arc its performance it mirrors that of GTA 5s in the prior test and it's just clearly broken it runs but the RTX 4060 has has a frame rate multiples faster with the 7600 also boosted Way Beyond what we've seen in other games it's instances like these that hurt arc's wide reaching viability and these are the only reasons we hesitate when answering whether or not someone should buy arc our R tracing tests are next and these are actually really interesting for Arc some of these games are shared with the earlier ones for rasterized tests but for RT we use different settings obviously and they're not directly comparable as an interesting not as while RT Hardware is available even on the A310 it won't run well for most applications but the hardware is there that could be useful somewhere but we'll start with cyberpunk and 1080p medium RT settings without upscaling if you want to use upscaling to boost the performance go for it but for purposes of comparing two devices by relative performance this is what we want in this test the a770 ran at 38 FPS average and held strong lows that were proportional to the average you would want upscaling or reduced settings to get a more stable experience here but again our goals are to compare in the relative sense the RTX 460 outperformance the A7 70 by 3.4% putting Intel dangerously close to Nvidia when considering nvidia's General advantage in RT workloads and in fact the a770 has stronger 0.1% low performance that we'll see in a frame time plot in a moment the 4060 has more sporadic performance and frame time pacing with these settings than we typically see the a750 allowed the 4060 an 18% Advantage so a big gap from the 770 but it still managed a significant lead over the RX 7600 this Frame time plot shows the raw frame to frame interval in milliseconds or time required to render a frame as presented in its base metric of time we're currently showing two passes of the RTX 460 here you can see that one of the passes had several spikes higher than 50 milliseconds the other pass has one bad Spike to about 110 milliseconds which is 1/10th of a second that you'd be staring at the same frame so that's a pretty big spike the a770 is much more consistent and lacks any of these massive spikes that's how the 0.1% lows are supposed to be used used in our FPS charts they're an indicator as a bar that points us towards a problem we can represent as a line and here the problem is the 40's ability to consistently deliver well Ed frames 10p Ultra is where we see Nvidia really pull ahead of AMD with unbelievably large gaps that illustrate how higher RT loads will disproportionately benefit Nvidia performance despite being unplayable the raw performance shows that Intel manages to keep up better than AMD does price for Price Arc is impressive 28 FPS average result for the a770 still with relatively flat frame times has it close to an RX 7700 XT that's a $290 Intel card competing with a $420 to $450 AMD card the lead over the RX 7600 XT model for the a770 is 46% here with the a750 leading the RX 7600 base model by 58% the a750 also manages to maintain more proportional frame times than the RX 7600 00 which sees them diverge from the average more noticeably as for why Intel does so well in cyberpunk specifically Intel's Tom Peterson provided some engineering Insight when we asked why and he said this quote in cyberpunk we see good results from the BBH cache since a large fraction of the time in that app with rt heavy workloads we're walking bbh's it also is likely that the thread sorting unit is helping the thread sorting unit is a physical piece of hardware on the GPU while BBH cash is an area where Intel has spent significant special optimization effort we'll talk more about these in future topics and Video in Resident Evil 4 at 1080p with rt and using quality FSR the a770 landed at about 84 FPS average and equated the RX 7600 although it maintained better frame time consistency in the 0.1% lows the RTX 460 leads the a770 by 14.6% here with a750 tying the 2070 this game is a lighter RT workload so AMD is able to recover its position in this particular title we see similar behavior in games like Tomb Raider with rt where only one RT feature is actually used we're including 1440p here because it reinforces an earlier point the a770 is able to gain ground on the RTX 460 in this test which has its lead reduced from 15% in the 1080p charge to just one so a big jump and the resolution bump is hard for the 4060 and 460 TI cards to handle at this scale dlight 2 is significantly heavier as an RT workload than Resident Evil 4 and tends to have wider gaps between AMD and Nvidia at 1080p the a770 ran at 66 FPS average and actually managed to technically outmatch the 4060 the a750 follows with the 7600 and its 46 FPS average just an afterthought the a750 is lead over the 7600 is 30% here at 1440p the a770 is slightly ahead of the RTX 460 again with the a750 just behind and these RX 7600 series cards are dragging behind here as well as usual we have have plenty more data and games we've tested you can find most of those in our 7600 XT review our 4070 TI super review uh they have more games packed into them and most of these Arc results well the cards are present just they've gotten updated a little more since then uh but you can find even more there if you really want it the point is though that the trend in all the games matches the trend of what we showed today it kind of encapsulates everything where sometimes it works phenomenally well and we're really impressed by how much ground they've gained and other times it's still just functionally utterly broken which is unfortunate so uh outside of gaming Intel still has some challenges we didn't talk about and those can be with power consumptions so for example The Arc cards have relatively high idle power consumption uh and that's something we talked about in our driver update video where we did the revisit one year later about a month or or I guess two three months ago now additionally under load frame for frame Intel is less efficient than Nvidia it's maybe not a surprise amd's in the same boat uh but if it's something you really really care about then Intel is weaker there and we think there has to be a priorities list for GPU manufacturers when they're in a position like Intel is where it it's not only the underdog but it's brand new to this market and it's fighting another Underdog because if you can't run games or you struggle with it like GTA like Starfield like they did with Counter Strike at the beginning that's fixed now uh then none of it matters doesn't matter how power efficient it is it's it's infinitely power efficient if there's zero FPS uh or actually maybe maybe infinitely power inefficient depends how you want to divide by zero there but the point is we've separately deep dived into Intel's Arc drivers on the software suite as recently as again a couple months ago and when we did that revisit we found that they had massively improved and we'll link that below um if you want to learn more about it or you can read it on the website as for conclusions they're pretty simple when Intel Arc works it works exceptionally well for the price that it is the this is a stark change from the initial launch when we uh bashed it for having several games that were completely broken stuttered in unplayable ways had a driver package that would crash when you clicked on buttons as if no one had ever used the software at Intel so that so far has been fixed they had all kinds of blurring and artifacting mess that happened as a result of their special features and much of that has been resolved it seems Arc is still somewhat binary but it's a lot better despite its strong performance it either works in which case it's a scary competitor for AMD more than it is for NVIDIA or it's functionally broken and stuck at frame rates that are so low as to be Irrelevant in this round of tests though the amount of times it was broken is far lower than we've seen for our numerous revisits over the past year we are at two titles that performed really poorly in this round of tests and that's out of 14 games that we tested in total when including the unpublished tests so two of 14 it's not a good percentage but both are on older engines and maybe there's a link there we do think that Intel remains in a class of buyers where it should probably be someone with Enthusiast level knowledge however it's slowly exiting that class and becoming something that can be recommended to a slightly more mainstream level so where we draw a line is somewhere like if you have a family member who wants to build a PC and they have either no patience or time for pcbs uh or it is someone who has absolutely no troubleshooting capabilities or a mix of the two probably you don't tell them to buy an a750 uh if you don't want to deal with the problems when they arise but we do think that this is now in some type of category between hardcore enthusiasts and mainstream so whatever you might call that Slimmer group of users maybe the word is just patient and the good news is that the patience isn't getting tested nearly as much as it was 18 months ago as for RT Intel is competitive with AMD and it's outclassing it in some scenarios Nvidia still holds significant advantages and overwhelmingly RT heavy titles like cyberp Punk but once again Intel is competing in sometimes stronger ways than AMD is and that's where we think a lot of this story is going for Value the a750 has held strong recommendations when it occasionally drops to 180 bucks that was crazy when it did that but even at 210 we think it makes sense to buy now it's starting to clear some of those hurdles for a lot of our audience if you're spending $200 it really makes sense to seriously consider Ark now the a770 is also posting better value now that its price has fallen below $300 and certainly it puts some pressure on the 4060 and 7600 XT we still want to be extremely clear though which is that Intel Arc still has problems and those problems when they happen are the kind that are frustrating because there's really not much you can do about it and it's not just like the the performance isn't quite as good as a competitor it's like the performance is half or worse of a competitor uh a lot of the frame time pacing problems have been fixed so at least it's not stuttering as hard in those situations but we're talking half the frame rate it probably should be it's not a good feeling and the big caveat is that it doesn't happen a whole lot but the reason I feel the need to keep saying it is because I need the audience need you all to be aware of it where we do think it's a good value but the times it doesn't work it's going to suck it's just that those times aren't as much as they used to be overall though we are hugely impressed with the performance improvements that Intel has posted the if you go look at the driver patch notes the length of some of those lists uh shows that there is an active effort to continue improving hopefully the uh recent rounds of layoffs at Intel and other tech companies but Intel here haven't affected the driver development team in a way that's going to really slow things because that's where they need their focus uh the drivers as we showed improved a lot for usability for the interface but now it's on continuing to push the performance um and we think they're doing well there so anyway we have an active project right now we're doing some PC build guides again first time in a while so some of those use Intel Arc we've got AMD and Nvidia follow-ups for people who want to just have that guaranteed I don't want to deal with anything weird at all uh we're going to be working on build guides for each of those so really excited about it check back for that subscribe for it go to store. 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Length: 27min 31sec (1651 seconds)

Published: Sun Feb 18 2024