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Transcriber: Amanda Zhu Reviewer: Peter Van de Ven I'm actually going to go slightly off-piste here and build on what Richard said. Because two nights ago, I went out to dinner with a bunch of geneticists. As an advertising man, I said to them, 'Look, I think you're probably right about IQ. It is this single monolithic measure, and it correlates with lots of different things.' But I said, 'As an advertising and marketing man, can I make a suggestion? I think you ought to lie.' (Laughter) And I said, 'If you actually tell people that stark fact that there is this single measure and it's monolithic and it correlates with goodness knows what else,' I said, 'the problem is it's fundamentally unpalatable, and no one will be able to form policy on it.' What I said is, 'What you ought to do is say there are different kinds of intelligence and they're complementary.' The one story is unpalatable because it essentially implies you should rank human value on a linear scale, which says that X is more valuable than Y. I said, 'If you could just create multiple forms of intelligence, you can tell a completely different story, which is, "This kind of person is highly complementary to that kind of person, and we've actually all got different strengths and comparative advantages, and great organizations can draw on them all in a complementary and different way."' What it now appears is that you don't need to lie to do this. This is in fact neuroscientific truth. So I'm extraordinarily grateful for that last talk. What I'm also going to do is build quite a lot on what Professor Pine - who would make an excellent, I think, new participant in a new gender-neutral form of Cluedo, by the way, as a name - I think I'd like to build on what Professor Pine has to say about the question of breaking out of choice, breaking away from what you might call the standard script. Now, no sensible definition of wealth will simply be financial. At some level, any healthy definition of wealth is that to be wealthy, you are in a position where you can make a large number of reasonably well-informed, successful choices. To be financially wealthy but to live in a highly impoverished area is not really wealth, because you may have a large amount of money and derive some pleasure from reading your bank account, but when you are out of the house, because everybody else is poor, there are no restaurants, there are no bars, there's virtually nothing worthwhile for you to do with your money. So the idea of wealth as purely an individualistic thing strikes me as dangerous, but I think there's a really important question here, which is that we tend to assume - and this comes from some of the precepts and axioms of neoclassical economics - that in order to make society wealthy and individuals more wealthy, the only way to do it is essentially to create more stuff. I would argue that since wealth really lies in the number of rewarding choices you can make, you can create wealth in a much more interesting and more environmentally friendly manner by just generating the possibility for people to make new and better choices. Once you define wealth in that way, the whole tenor of debate becomes different. The problem, I think, here lies in the central axioms of neoclassical economics, one of which is that we all make decisions. And the reason they make this assumption is simply to make economics look like it's a science. In order to make economics look like it's a science, where the maths is reasonably tractable and the things that are important are expressible in numerical form, you make a whole series of assumptions. And the assumptions are that we all are a series of utility maximising actors making decisions in standalone economic transactions in an atmosphere of perfect information and perfect trust. Now, just to be clear about this, I completely accept the idea that scientists have to make assumptions in order to develop models. I would argue these aren't actually assumptions. They are barefaced lies. None of that is true. First of all, almost never on Earth do you find the conditions of perfect information and perfect trust. Secondly, even if you could create those conditions, our brains did not evolve to make decisions under such conditions. Most of our evolutionary inheritance took place in cases where we had to make decisions using deeply imperfect and incomplete information. We probably had to make those decisions in limited time and in an environment where it was never entirely clear who you could trust. So even if you could create a world that was ideal for Homo economicus, Homo sapiens would find it deeply strange. Part of the problem of that assumption, which is that people have perfect information and perfect trust, is you assume that people already are making the best choices they possibly can and the only possible way of creating economic value is to add more choices. What it's completely blind to is the idea that by designing choices differently, we can make people richer - wealthier perhaps, if I'm to be precise with my distinctions in my use of language - we can make people wealthier without using any more resources at all. We can just help people choose more widely. Here's an example, which I think is one of the most important quotations to come from the dot-com world, which comes up with some pretty stupid stuff, but this is really important: 'The best, maybe the only real direct measure of innovation is change in human behaviour.' This comes from Stewart Butterfield, who's the inventor of Slack and before that, the inventor of Flickr. What's really valuable in life is when you allow people to do different things, things they otherwise wouldn't have contemplated, things they lack the confidence to do previously, or things that simply didn't occur to them. I would argue that marketing plays just as great a role in innovation, by the way, as technology does, for the simple reason that it's one thing to come up with a technology, it's a separate, in some cases, more difficult challenge to get people comfortably to adopt a new behaviour. And the reason for that, as I said, is the distinction between the economic idea of how we make decisions and an evolutionary psychologist's idea. One of the things that's deeply embedded in us for perfectly healthy evolutionary reasons is that by and large, we're not trying to maximise anything, we're trying to avoid catastrophe. As an evolutionary biologist explained to me, there are far more ways of dying than there are of surviving. And so our brain is calibrated slightly like a smoke detector: we want something that's pretty good, but we definitely, definitely don't want it to be terrible. When you're making decisions under uncertainty, it isn't just the average outcome that matters, it's the variance. That's why I ignore satnavs when I go to an airport. What the satnav is telling me is the fastest route on average. On the way home, that's pretty good; on the way to the airport, I ignore the satnav and take A-roads. Why? Because my brain also factors in - I did this instinctively before I realised what the math was - the A-road will always be 20-minute slower, but unlike the motorway - where if a lorry jackknives at Clacket Lane, I'm basically there all morning - the A-road will never be so significantly slower that I miss my plane. The motorway has a higher average but a far more extreme variance. The A-road also has higher optionality: I can turn off it if there's a problem, and try route C or route D or route E. On the motorway, I'm effectively trapped, okay, unless you have a four-by-four vehicle and are prepared to drive through a fence. There's really no escape. (Laughter) It's an interesting question, by the way, in motorway design why nobody spotted this problem. A proper motorway, really, is designed for optimal conditions. What they forgot to include is little emergency exits if things go badly wrong. But if we define wealth as actually the range of possible rewarding behaviours we can adopt, everything becomes different. And one of the most important disciplines once you define wealth this way is how well you design choice. Now, this is a menu in a format I've only come across once in my life. It was in a restaurant in Portugal, which doubles as a clown school - don't ask, okay? (Laughter) It was actually a very good meal. Now, I personally think every restaurant menu should take this format. As you can see, this was taken in the era before mobile phones had very good cameras. And as you can also see by the appalling focus, I think it was taken after lunch. I think I asked him to bring a menu back. This is how it works: you choose the menu Branco, the menu Amarelo - sorry, too much Dora the Explorer there - then there's the orange one, the red one, or the green one. Each one is a set menu, but you can substitute laterally any way you like. So it offers you exactly the same amount of freedom as an à la carte menu. One, it makes deciding a bit easier because you can split into two stages: Which of those do I like the most? Is there any one thing on the, say, orange menu which I really don't like the sound of much? In which case, I'll substitute. But there's an extra layer of information in there, which is what the chef thinks works as a cohesive menu. Chefs would apparently go crazy because they know which main courses complement which starter. But then they'd have to put it on a menu format, which allows people to ride roughshod over that knowledge. If you think about it, you don't go to a classical music concert and go, 'Actually, I think today we'll have the first movement of Schubert's Unfinished Symphony and the second movement of Mendelssohn's Sixth' or whatever, okay? You'd tend to go, 'Mendelssohn probably knows his shit about music, (Laughter) so we'll allow him to actually set the agenda here.' But with restaurants, no, no, no, we ignore the chef's recommendations completely, and we just pick things at random. You're still free to pick things at random, if you want to be perverse here, but you have an extra layer of information, which is not freedom reducing in the slightest, but, I would argue, it's welfare enhancing. Now, why aren't all menus designed like this? There is a very strange facet of the human brain, which is that when the choices we're presented with are bad, we don't notice. We seem to have evolved to make decisions instantaneously using whatever information is to hand, something that Daniel Kahneman's remarked on. It's very rare for people, when you present them with a choice, to say, 'Before I can make this decision, I need more information.' Let me give you an example. Driving back from Deal towards Sevenoaks - and Brighton is actually an incredibly germane audience to give you this example - as you drive along the M20 towards the M25, you come to this sign. Now to start with, the sign is shit because it relies on you knowing London is sign posted in both lanes. Dartford Crossing, which of course mentally, is to the right, is obviously the left-hand Lane. Even people in Swanley don't know whether it's south or north of the M20. There is no primary route destination. It should say Brighton or Gatwick or something we can actually get our head around. So you get to that thing - you're probably tooling along at about 75 at that point - and you go, 'Shit, I didn't really understand that sign at all.' (Laughter) Now, has anybody in the audience ever missed the turn for the M25 coming back from Dover? I've got about 8,10 - oh, more, okay. You've all done it, right? Now, if you think you're weird, this is Brighton. I got one person raising their hand when I asked the question in Johannesburg. This is a widespread problem. And after I'd made this mistake for the fourth time, I finally asked the question, 'Maybe it's not you. It's them.' So I went on Google Street View. As you can see, this is a screen graph from Google Street View. So you get to this sign, you go, 'I don't understand this. Where the hell is Swanley? What's going on?' Swanley is chiefly famous for a road-rage killing rather than as a place on the M25. (Laughter) Don't worry, because hid on the horizon, I can see another gantry. You can just see that just on the horizon. I will wait for the next signpost, and I will use it to inform my choice. And so you go, 'Not to worry. Let's wait for the next signpost.' And as you approach it, before you can read what it says … (Laughter) So it wasn't you; it's them. And I've complained to the Highways Agency about this and said, 'Look, by the time you can read that sign, it's too late to act on the information it contains.' Frankly, for all the value of that sign, you might as well just paint, instead of London and Lewisham, you might as well paint: 'Haha! You've missed the turning, you dickhead', right? (Laughter) And you know the strange thing was - and this is what's odd about it, I think it's something about the evolved brain. It was only after I made the mistake repeatedly and I suddenly realised, 'Hold on, You're not in the habit of missing exits everywhere you go. What's so special about this one?' that I finally discovered how unbelievably mind-blowingly, actually, not only stupid but dangerous that is. Because a certain percentage of people then swerve across the stripy bit into the path of oncoming traffic. But we didn't notice that there was something wrong; we just made a bad decision. And I think that's true about a lot of choice architecture. I'm going to make myself unpopular twice in this talk: once at the end when I suggest that baking programs should be banned for two years (Laughter) because they're stupid - okay, right, okay, sorry! There is minority support for that anyway - and the second one when I suggest that wine as a drink is overrated. Whoo … Okay. (Applause) Basically, there is never a situation where white wine is nicer than a gin and tonic. We're just pretending, okay? - just pretentious middle-class toss. You know, it's like The Princess and the Pea. You claim you care about these totally irrelevant distinctions. It's also massively inconsistent - wine - when you think about it. If I opened a bottle of cornflakes and they were all soggy and black, I rang up the Kellogg's company and they said, 'Ah, that's the 2016 cornflake. We had slightly late rainfall.' (Laughter) I would not go, 'Marvellous, Kellogg's. Let me try and notice some of the exciting new taste features'; I'd go, 'Sort your fucking act out, Kellogg's!' (Laughter) Okay? I want the third bloody box to taste like the first. But with wine, no, no, no, no, it's perfectly acceptable to have absolutely no quality control whatsoever. (Laughter) Okay. Now, when you go into a restaurant, what happens? You are effectively manipulated by wine. First of all, there are wine glasses on the table. We found that if you remove these, wine consumption goes down. Secondly, you're handed a drinks list, which is not called the drinks list. It's called the ... wine list, right? Now, that contains in choice architecture about four pages of totally unnecessary variety of red and white wine in various price points, and then a small laminated page at the back for the deviants and perverts (Laughter) who want to drink an alcoholic drink from a country that's actually mastered the technology required for brewing or distillation. (Laughter) And then what happens? Even cleverer still, they then pass the wine list to one person. Now, there's only one alcoholic drink you can share among a whole table of people, so the second that guy says red or white, it's game over for the gin drinkers. (Laughter) You've basically been bullied into the position, but you never object. The choice architecture of ordering wine in a restaurant is basically the same as that you find on the M20. (Laughter) We don't notice when our choices are presented in a choice-limiting way. This is an airline website. Notice it asks you what class of ticket do you want before you know the price difference. It's a totally stupid point to ask that question. Patently, if it's 20 quid more to go in premium economy, I'm on; if it's 2,000, I'm not. You cannot answer that question at that point on the website; nonetheless, they ask it, and we make our best stab at it. Okay? We don't notice when choice architecture is bad. So by improving choice architecture, we can increase human wealth without increasing human consumption. This is a beautiful example, by the way - the Ocado green van, which gets people to choose an environmentally friendly thing without offering them a financial incentive. It just makes the van green. I asked someone at Ocado, How well does it work? He said, I'm not allowed to tell you. He said, 'Let me just say this: you wouldn't believe it.' Changes to choice can solve massive problems. The delayed prescription reduces unnecessary prescriptions of antibiotics by a significant factor. The patient leaves the doctor perfectly happy because they've got a bit of paper in their hand. It's post-dated to Friday. Most of them never go and cash it in, because they're feeling better by then. And basically, once we're feeling better, we're over any need for medicine, once we start on the up, okay? If you give people a prescription and say, 'Don't take it for three days' time', what they actually do is they walk past boots on the way back to the car, they go, 'I might as well cash this in now. They paid eight quid for the antibiotics, so sunk-cost bias are paying for these buggers. So I might as well take them.' That reduces by, I think, about a factor of three the level of unnecessary consumption of antibiotics. If you want a big economic one rather than a health benefit one: that is the old Tube map when I moved to London; this is the new Tube map, and it includes what young people call the 'Ginger line', which is the Overground. Now, how many of you've used the Ginger line or the Overground? A fairly significant group, actually. What you may not know is that 95% of that line already existed when I moved to London. It was called Silverlink Metro. It was operated by rail companies. When they took it over, yes, they made the trains a bit nicer and more frequent; yes, they lit the stations better. The most important thing they did was they added it to the map. I would argue by adding it to the Tube map, they created something like six to eight billion of infrastructure value at a cost of some ink. (Laughter) How do I know that? Because although these trains had been running for years, when it appeared on the Tube map, usage of those lines went up by 400% in one month alone. The reason people weren't using the infrastructure wasn't because it didn't exist; it's because it wasn't mentally accessible - it wasn't an accessible choice. Creating choice creates wealth. You don't need to build a damn thing. And so, here's my kind of idea at the end of all this, which I call the libertarian intervention. Now, this is, I think, a beautiful example from Public Health England of a libertarian intervention. It's difficult to stop smoking because doing it on your own is hard. If you can just encourage large groups of people to do the same thing simultaneously, a choice which was difficult becomes significantly easier. You are five times more likely to quit for good if you do it in that October period, when you've got quite a lot of support from other people who are trying the same thing, where there's a limited target. It's just really well-designed choice. So my question is what else can we do? Let's look. For hundreds, it's easy, it's inexpensive, and it can be fantastic. I'll go back today to a town called Sevenoaks, where you get off the train, and basically it's a commuter town. And yet all the shops, which complain massively that everybody is always going to out-of-town shops, they close at 5:30. Around six o'clock, something like 10,000 people with money disgorge themselves into Sevenoaks to find all the shops closed. Why do they not stay open later and open later? It's because it's one of those coordination problems. If you're the only shop to do it, it makes no difference to you. It's something which can either be done simultaneously or not at all. And that's where libertarianism falls down, in fact. It falls down on coordination issues. If you're a hardcore libertarian, I guess you'd say, 'I disapprove of painted lines in the car park because it interferes with my right to park at the diagonal.' But by and large, you need someone to paint lines in the car park. So, in the United States, forty percent of people took no vacation at all in 2014. And the reason is, if you ask people, most Americans would prefer to have less salary and more vacation. If you think about it, you could double American vacation allowance from two weeks to four with just a 4% pay cut. So people want vacation. Why do they not do it? Well, in economic theory, they just choose the perfect balance between leisure and money. In reality, how hard should you work if you're in an office? And there's only one [inaudible] answer to that, which is 'A bit harder than the bugger next to you.' So it creates an arms race. I've tried to do this at Ogilvy. I haven't succeeded yet. Every time we offer someone a pay rise, we should be mandated to say, 'You can either take this all as money, or you can take it as half money, half holiday' to create a choice, where practically, for reasons of social norming, non existed before. Stop Tober - let's steal from that idea. Doing your finances is really boring, okay? Let's create an extra bank holiday and call it National Sort Your Financial Shit Out weekend. (Laughter) There can be intensive advertising of financial products, and you will create conversation around pensions. The rest of the year, if you mentioned pensions, people will quite rightly shun you as the most boring person in the room. On that one weekend, it's kind of 'Start Tober'. It's like on that one weekend, it's okay to discuss those things. We create a little coordinated burst. When higher education expanded, I would argue we sort of reduced choice. Everybody would say there are more places of further education. The problem is now you put a badge over someone who didn't go to university. When it was 20% of people who went to university, not going to university didn't have much significance. Now you're one of the people who hasn't got a degree. If you reserve 20% of places for people over 30, it becomes a perfectly acceptable decision to make, socially, to say, 'I've decided to defer it. I'd rather get a job first and go and do something when I'm a bit older.' Anything that creates, makes a choice socially possible is, I would argue, wealth creating. And if we look at wealth that way, we'll do things differently, and we'll also ban bakery programs. Let me explain why. (Laughter) They set the bar too high. (Laughter) If you go home this evening and you order a pizza from Pizza Hut or Domino's and a six-pack of beer, you will have a time which is 95% as enjoyable as if you start creating some three-tier insane creation with homemade profiteroles, okay? (Laughter) But because the competitive bar is set unrealistically high, what actually happens is people have dinner parties too infrequently because the price of failure is just too high. (Laughter) So deliberate Slavenisation of the country in terms of its eating habits would actually be a social boom. Again, it's a libertarian invention. Go and invent some of your own. Thank you very much indeed. (Applause) (Cheers)
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Published: Thu Mar 23 2017
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