Independence Day vs. War of the Worlds

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I started watching thinking I would stop somewhere and not watch it completely.

I watched the whole thing, felt like a breeze, love this channel!

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 20 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/poringo šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Feb 01 2019 šŸ—«︎ replies

As someone who was Robbie's age when this came out and also has massive Daddy issues, it's so hard to not apply a generational reading of War of the Worlds as Boomers trying and completely failing to "man up" in the aftermath of 9/11.

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 13 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/Spiritofchokedout šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Feb 01 2019 šŸ—«︎ replies

Definitely one of my favorite YouTubers. I always watch her with my meals as well!

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 44 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/Doriphor šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Feb 01 2019 šŸ—«︎ replies

I found this to be very intellectually stimulating as well as entertaining. Brava

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 29 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/blazin_chalice šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Feb 01 2019 šŸ—«︎ replies

I've got a crush on Lindsay Ellis...

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 13 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/aspieboy74 šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Feb 01 2019 šŸ—«︎ replies

the 90s had a very different, shall we say, mouth feel

Not sure I'd compare the zeitgeist to penises, but I approve the reference nonetheless.

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 8 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/KangooQ šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Feb 01 2019 šŸ—«︎ replies

I forgot how depressing the first half of War of the Worlds is. That shit is pretty dark.

šŸ‘ļøŽ︎ 3 šŸ‘¤ļøŽ︎ u/Emperor-Commodus šŸ“…ļøŽ︎ Feb 01 2019 šŸ—«︎ replies

Great video!

Does anyone know what the clip at 3:03 is?

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The Franco-Prussian war was a conflict between the second French empire and the Northern German confederation led by the kingdom of Prussia, which owing to the Germansā€™ superior strength and numbers, quickly led to the capitulation of the French Empire and the capture of the Emperor, Napoleon III. The conflict culminated with the Seige of Paris in the winter of 1871 in which the German troops invading the french capital. Months later the German states unified into a German Empire shifting the balance of power in Europe towards a now unified, powerful Germany. Britain, who mostly stayed out of it, of course kept a close eye on the conflict, and all the major newspapers, journals, and magazines reported at length on the course of the War of 1870 and on the prospects for the British in the changed Europe of 1871. Out of this national obsession with the conflict in Europe emerged a short story written by ex-soldier George Tomkyns Chesney - "Battle of Dorking"ā€”in 1871. The Battle of Dorking recounts the final days before and during a fictionalized devastating invasion of Britain by a German-speaking enemy, retold 50 years after the fact by a nameless narrator to his grandchildren, who have grown up in a contested Britain that is now a heavily-taxed annex of The Enemy. The German-speaking invaders are never named, and are instead referred to obliquely as The Other Power, or The Enemy. ā€œBattle of Dorkingā€ was not only an overnight national sensation and controversy - Most readers saw the idea that the greatest imperial power in the world could be invaded, let alone could cease to exist was ludicrous - but for many it was an indictment for nationalistic hubris; for even more it was an outrage, unmerited judgment and a betrayal of Great Britain. But ā€œBattle of Dorkingā€ would set off a trend of its own - one that literary historians would eventually call ā€œinvasion literatureā€ - fiction that spoke to the taboo and the thrill of the obviously ludicrous idea that the sovereign empire of britain could ever fall to a foreign power ahahaha - but what if? Between 1871 and 1914, over 60 works of fiction for adult readers describing hypothetical invasions of Great Britain were published. During that time, British writer HG Wells combined the popularity of invasion literature with the widespread interest in the idea of life on mars to pioneer a whole new genre, one that has endured in popularity in some form ever since - the alien invasion. Here's an idea: Aliens in fiction are never just aliens Just as monsters in fiction are never just monsters There is the literal function within the narrative, of course, but then there is that layer of metaphor, of significance to the culture that the work is being presented to, a significance that may not even be obvious to either the author or the audience until some time later. So while I think itā€™s not very interesting to reduce a text to a one to one allegory, it is important to be open to textual metaphor, especially where aliens come in, be they sympathetic, threatening, beyond comprehension, or total gibberish. guys it's me, let me out of this frankenstein box Aliens as a narrative device can reflect a historically colonized people, they can be the innocence of childhood, they can be some sort of spiritual revelation, they can be hey can be a class oppressed by poverty, or the ravages of poverty itself, or they can DUMB AS ROCKS Welcome to Earth Author and professor of English Frank McConnell describes Wellsā€™ Martians as "what you fear most , what your culture and environment have taught you is the worst thing that could happen to you, the situation over which you would have the least degree of controlā€ Wells was writing for an audience of Victorian Britons, whom he describes in the opening of the novel, ā€œsecure in their Empire over this Earth.ā€ Wells was writing for an audience for whom the very idea that intelligent beings from another planet could be capable of launching an attack on the most powerful nation on Earth was a most bizarre and outlandish notion. But the invasion narrative is a manifest of different cultural anxieties in different eras - Invasion of the Body Snatchers came at the height of the McCarthy era - and is just one of a ton of invasion narratives that came out during the beginning of the Cold War. HOWEVER when I say an alien is never just an alien, I donā€™t mean that an alien is a one to one metaphor for something else - and that is a trap a lot of people fall into. yes and no, Dakota Fanning. Interpreting Animal Farm as a metaphor for totalitarian communism is great for your 8th grade English class, but metaphor is rarely that simple Invasion narratives capture the ecosystem of the culture in which they were made, what that culture fears most With that in mind, we are going to compare invasion narratives from two wildly different cultures. America in the 1990's And America in 2005 We're going to live on, we're going to survive Today we celebrate our Independence Day! Independence Day is 1996 film directed by Roland Emmerich, starring Will Smith, Jeff Goldblum and Bill Pullman, each playing characters experiencing different perspectives during an alien invasion: that of a soldier, a scientist, and the president of the united states, respectively. Over the course of the film, the invading alien horde wipes out most major cities on the planet, and all hope seems lost until the scientist devises a computer virus, which, with the help of the soldier, he is able to upload into the mothership, disabling all subordinate ships. This enables the American military not only to destroy the local ship threatening them, but also to instruct the rest of the world on how to do the same. The invasion is thwarted, and the remnants of humanity celebrate. Didn't I promise you fireworks? It is dumb as a bag of rocks and it is one of my favorite movies. I love it. War of the Worlds is a 2005 film directed by Steven Spielberg, starring Tom Cruise. The film follows dock worker and inadequate father Ray Ferrier on the rare weekend when he has custody of his two children as he tries to protect them during an alien invasion. As their circumstances become increasingly desperate, they narrowly escaped certain death several times until Ray is eventually separated from his oldest child. The film concludes when all family members are reunited, and the aliens die from their lack of immunity to the planetā€™s pathogens. It is a stone cold bummer and I also kind of love it. Despite taking place over a century after the novel takes place, the bones of Wellsā€™ story remain in tact - the invasion is seen the perspective of one character, it is more an episodic survival narrative than anything else, the tripods are fairly faithful, the narrator is tested by another character driven to madness whom he must kill in order to survive, and the invasion is stopped not by human ingenuity but by a lack of immunity They were undone destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that god in his wisdom had put upon this Earth In this way Spielberg's adaptation is perhaps the most faithful But War of the Worlds isn't like Les Miserables, where it's the same characters and basically the same story each time. War of the Worlds is not a classic STORY, per se--itā€™s more of a classic premise, and the characters themselves are totally different in each iteration. Spielberg himself has pointed out that adaptations of War of the Worlds tend to come about in times of cultural stress - with the two most well-known adaptations besides the ā€˜05 version being Orson Wellesā€™ radio drama from 1938 and the film adaptation from 1953. And of course there was the original - a twist on a trend in invasion literature, released during a period of growing international tension in Europe where everyone kind of sensed that a Great War was on the horizon. So while the 1890ā€™s was technically a time of peace in the UK, it was peace squished between recent violence and the massive sense of tension growing throughout Europe. But War of the Worlds is also read as a biting critique of British imperialism, encouraging the reader consider the world from the perspective of a people being invaded by colonizers. Wells states this explicitly in the first chapter of the novel: And before we judge them [the Martians] too harshly, we must remember what ruthless and utter destruction our own species has wrought, not only upon animals, ... but upon its own inferior races. The Tasmanians, in spite of their human likeness, were entirely swept out of existence in a war of extermination waged by European immigrants, in the space of fifty years. Are we such apostles of mercy as to complain if the Martians warred in the same spirit? I bring this up because the context in which War of the Worlds the novel became a success, and the context in which Independence Day became a success, are perhaps more analogous to each other than the 2005 adaptation. Both Independence Day and Wellā€™s novel came about during times of relative peace and prosperity, for and by people living in a dominating world power of the day. And both preceded violent upheavals that would completely change those cultures forever. Of course the huge difference between Independence Day and Wellsā€™ original novel is that Wells encourages the reader to reflect on their own position as citizens of an imperial power built on the exploitation of other people--Independence Day, not so much. Welcome to Earth Dumb. As. Rocks. In Independence Day - the aliens less reflect a broad cultural anxiety so much as arrogance - yes, this incomprehensible technological force is impressive, but it cannot withstand the might of american ingenuity and hegemony - a bizarre and outlandish notion So what do the war of the worlds aliens reflect? wellā€¦. kyind of? The America of 1996 and the America of 2005 may as well exist in different dimensions. Here is 90ā€™s batman Never leave the cave without it vs. 2000ā€™s batman SWEAR TO ME The 90ā€™s had a very different, shall we say, mouthfeel. The white middle class filmgoing public of 1996 didnā€™t have much to worry about! Cold Warā€™s over, economyā€™s booming, every middle school dance is getting jiggy with a charming little ditty called the Macarena, and hollywood is spending a lot of time in thought exercises of ā€œwhat if x disaster?ā€ We got tornadoes, we got volcanoes, we got sharks, we got asteroids, we got more asteroids - just destroy everything, itā€™s fun! somebody dial 911! Here was an ecosystem in which both a movie like Mars Attacks, released the same year as Independence Day, can just blow up congress willy nilly and hey itā€™s funny! They blew up congress hahaha! Americans were bored and disconnected from any kind of real social anxieties, and disaster movies were an effective outlet to get some quick, easy thrills and enjoy some blameless conflict. I'm BAAAAAACK Itā€™s a FUN-pocalypse! So compare this to the genuine, visceral terror we see in War of the Worlds. There isnā€™t really any horror in seeing these symbols of American hegemony destroyed in the most complete and terrible way. Even now itā€™s not framed to be an uncomfortable thing to watch. In fact itā€™sā€¦ kind of awesome. Here was a film where little children stare upon the smouldering ruins of the only home they've ever known and say things like "What happened, Mommy?" Here is a film in which tens of MILLIONS of people have died, and this man whose family is missing, presumed dead responds with: ā€œjust want to whoop ETā€™s assā€ The 90ā€™s was a time in which it made sense for Aliens to ominously show up over major cities and a lot of people are like ā€œYeah they come in peace!ā€ people dancing on top of that skyscraper like weeeeew, itā€™s the 90ā€™s did you catch seinfeld last night Aliens show up ominously and our dingbat president doesnā€™t evacuate the cities, but itā€™s okay because he heroically plays a saxopho--I MEAN flies a plane and shoots the aliens and America saves the day I'm a combat pilot, WIll. I belong in the air. And itā€™s dumb in ways that arenā€™t immediately obvious - like the sheer amount of time people spend on the phone in this movie, but never allow any time for information to be conveyed it's the secretary of defense Yes? Mr. President, there are aliens outside. Can you say that again? Aliens, sir. So playing on this idea of movie monsters, and invading aliens in particular, embodying cultural anxieties, why is the tone of the invasion narrative so different in 2005ā€¦ as it is from 1996? This is yet another entry into my ongoing series called: 9/11 ruins everything! Ignoring the seriousness of the massive loss of life and scar to the national psyche, Another pop culture casualty of the most destructive act of terrorism in history, at least for a time - the disaster movie. Gone were the days of goofy action movies like Independence Day and Godzilla and Wild Wild West. No more disaster movies for these jaded masses--The few stragglers that were in production before 9/11 and crept in afterward were released, ignored and forgotten just as quickly. According the Los Angeles Times in 2002, ā€œthe public appetite for plots involving disasters and terrorism has vanished.ā€ Obviously this did not stick, but for a while, filmmakers did not know how to approach mass destruction in film so they justā€¦ didnā€™t. When Big, Destructive action movies DID eventually begin to edge their way back into the theatersā€¦ things were different. A movie like Independence Day no longer makes sense in a post-9/11 world in which audiences have actually lived through watching the destruction of familiar landmarks and mass casualties on live television. So Spielberg wanted to create an invasion narrative that worked in a post 9/11 world. But thereā€™s a problem - see, War of the Worlds is, in many ways, a response to, if not refutation of, Independence Day. This (lets light the fires big daddy) evolves into this (we gotta get back at them) This (what happened mommy?) evolves into this (AAAHHHH) (Rachel Screaming) And this, my favorite subtle dig - (itā€™s like the fourth of july) No it isn't. Oh, say can you - One of the biggest differences is the focus on what is being destroyed, in independence day, itā€™s landmarks, buildings, cities. In war of the worlds, there is much more focus on the loss of human life - the closest thing we get to a landmark is the bayonne bridge - the horror comes not from mass destruction, but from individuals - we see their faces as they are zapped out of existence. We see crowds as they are vaporized en masse. Rolandā€™s extermination is one of symbols - spielbergs, of human life. The most obvious refutation is the tone, which turns big optimistic 90ā€™s bombast into a low-saturation death march. Where, as with all of Rolandā€™s movies, the fall of civilization brings people together, in War of the Worldā€™s the fall of civilization turns people into self-serving animals. Which becomes a problem with the film in and of itself - weā€™ll get to that. But at the same time, Independence Day established a lot of generic staples and shorthand, which War of the Worlds certainly borrows For instance thereā€™s this - Followed by the powering up sounds of the primary weapon (revving up sound effect) And of course, there is the design of the invaders. *deep, beleaguered sigh* This is not to imply that the independence day aliens are the most original design ever. Again, theyā€™re basically just Roswell aliens only a little slimey - in part because itā€™s implied in Independence Day that the Roswell aliens inspired our pop cultural ideas of what aliens look like. But in War of the Worlds, thereā€™s no in-universe reason for them to look the way they do. Only the real world context of coming out after Independence Day, and of Independence Day setting a standard. So they look pretty identical, only these guys have mouths. So they can go blaah The aliens themselves also show up a little too late in the film to be anything really unfamiliar-looking. This is a balancing act in any visual medium when you have a non-human creature--the more alien they look, the more time the audience has to spend getting used to them, for them to feel tangible, believable. In War of the Worlds they donā€™t show up until act 3, so they pretty much have to look like our preconceived idea of alien, or it's just going to be confusing. But this comes after an hour of the sheer unadulterated terrifying eldritch horror that is the tripods You spend hours building this up and then we get... this. A scene which is the second scene in a row which is a cut rate ripoff from the raptor scene from jurassic park now letā€™s do this scene again, but worse! Iā€™d personally rather not have seen them, maybe a hand at the end of the movie the end and thatā€™s it. But showing them at all contradicts the horror slant that War of the Worlds is going for It's going for a more stylistically real invasion where indepedence day was big and cartoonish from the get-go Is that glass bulletproof? No, sir. So seeing these big-eyed cute aliens feels incongruently silly. It's like if Schumacher's Riddler showed up in a Chris Nolan Batman movie You're as blind as a bat DO I LOOK LIKE A COP But we saw em in Independence Day soā€¦ guess we better do it here too. So War of the Worlds already has the problem of existing in the shadow of Independence Day - now it has to walk the tightrope of thatā€¦ and also existing in a post-9/11 hellscape. CAN HE DO IT? THE ANSWER IS YES! ā€¦. For the first half. In a time as complicated and confusing as the mid-Bush administration years, itā€™s not as simple as saying the War of the Worlds aliens are really embodiments of terrorism. Spielbergā€™s intent here is less to say that terrorists are literally invading aliens than to tap into that sense of helplessness and impotent desire for retaliation americans felt after 9/11. Now we'll be the ones coming up from underground Of trying to capture that feeling through genre fiction Thereā€™s the misguided impulse to get back at any enemy you donā€™t understand or even know how to fight. We catch up with these soldiers, and we get back at them! We get back at them! The rage and terror that something could threaten all the power and security that you never really had to begin with. And in terms of sheer imagery there is a LOT in here. Even the very first shot of the film, we swoop in on the backdrop of the place where the World Trade Center isnā€™t any more. Taking it a step furtherā€¦. Well, this image of Cruise covered in gray dust ā€¦ is umā€¦ loaded. The top floors collapsed down I saw it blow and then ran like hell. Thank God... As is this scene It's not that aliens = terrorists Itā€™s Spielbergā€™s ultimate statement on living in an America that no longer feels secure. We canā€™t mindlessly enjoy the destruction of a major city or landmark as large movie crowds gape up in wordless horror, because we had just gone through the same thing in real life. But none of these things are the deal breaker. Obviously mass destruction of cities made their way back into movies eventually, and a dark tone in a monster movie is a totally valid creative decision. With War of the Worlds, I think most people agree that it sours in the second half. People like to complain about the illogic of aliens burying tripods underground or wouldnā€™t they have known about the common cold, that sort of thing, but I can forgive that in Independence Day I can definitely forgive it here No, where War of the Worlds goes wrong is honestly a little simpler than that. One clear example of the problem with the structure of the story is the inconsistent theming - in direct contrast to Rolandā€™s optimism of disaster bringing humanity together, - I'm not Jewish - Nobody's perfect. here disaster turns humans into animals. Put down the gun, I'm taking the car. Throughout the film we keep seeing increasing intensity of this thing - Ray must protect his children from other humans as much as he does the aliens. Before the end, he must kill another man to protect his daughter. I can't let my daughter die because of you Buhhhhht then we work together when the plot needs us to. Suddenly at the end of the movie, with no change in circumstance, humans arenā€™t barbarous animals. Suddenly itā€™s teamwork! Everybody down! So are humans monsters or arenā€™t they? So War of the Worlds is about this one guyā€™s relationship to his children and how that is tested byā€¦ apocalyptic alien invasion. This is relevant because the aliens are, at the emotional core of the film, what tests the strength of the family unit. Ray, the inadequate father, is forced for the first time in his life to take responsibility for his family. Can he do it? You're an asshole. I hate coming here. Itā€™s a solid conceit, and for the first half of the film, it executes this question fairly wellā€¦ but unfortunately, the screenplay didnā€™t have an answer. Look at that ending. And no, I donā€™t mean how the aliens went down. Although Iā€™m not a stickler for faithful adaptations, thatā€™s not the problem - the resolution for the characters is the problem. So unlike Rolandā€™s trademark cast of thousands, War of the Worlds features a cast ofā€¦ four. Well, I take that back. You had two A-listers, one ā€¦ this kid, and Tim Robbins, whose introduction brings the filmā€™s momentum to a screeching halt to which it never recovers. We didnā€™t need humanity to save the day, we just needed a satisfactory arc for these three characters we spend the entire movie with - and that, and not how the aliens are defeated, is the core of the narrative. Andā€¦ itā€™s kind of a hot mess. For instance, with Rachel, dear rachel - She said she can get it -it's heavy -She said she can get it - mom clearly thinks she's incapable, dad says she can get it- almost like we're setting up a character arc here. Like Rachelā€™s gonna realize that she could, indeed, get it even though mom and therapists coddle her to the point of being a complete deer in the he-- nope. (Rachel screaming) Rachel canā€™t get the bag. A realistic kid and well rounded character in the first half, sheā€™s relegated to little more than macguffin in act 2 and basically a doe-eye trauma figurine in what passes for act 3 in this movie. Kind of a problem for the second biggest character in your movie. And here is the one spot where Independence Day is the superior film - despite having the trademark roland cast of thousands, all of the character arcs are complete andā€¦ work! Theyā€™re silly, donā€™t get me wrong, but they are complete. Roland managed to give all of them a starting point and a culminating moment. President Clintmore is faced with a country beginning to doubt his adequacy (i.e, ā€œelected a warrior and got a wimpā€) and through a series of trial and error, including the use of nuclear weapons May our children forgive us whoopsie daisy, he self-actualizes by firing his secretary of defense and he becomes the warrior the country needs- literally Eagle 1, Fox 3 Captain Hiller aspires to fly the space shuttle, despite political crap, and after a series of conflicts arguably becomes the most qualified person on the planet to fly the alien shuttle. I've been waiting for this my whole life And Jeff Goldblum starts with his father and his ex wife berating him for being a lazy genius if you're so smart, why did you spend eight years at MIT to become a cable repairman? but in the end not only does he rise above his inadequacy, but his genius saves the world. Know how I'm always trying to save the planet? Here's my chance. There are three separate and distinguishable arcs here, and they are all set up really well so the audience is very clear about whoā€™s accomplishing what based on whose skill set by the time act 3 rolls around. Hell, even the randy quaid subplot, which seems genuinely pointless for most of the film, ends up being one of the most important elements in the movie. His motivation by way of his kids, why heā€™s drunk all the time, his skill as a pilot, seems years back our boy was kidnapped by aliens, they did all kinds of experiments on him. Tell em bout it, Russ! all of it--we see all of it for a reason, so when it culminates, weā€™re likeā€¦ oh, ALRIGHT YOU ALIEN ASSHOLES! OH. YEAH! sure. HELLO, BOYS. I'M BAAAACK Wheeeeeeeeeee!!! War of the Worlds, for all its masterful tension-building, beautiful cinematography, genius sound design and pretty good first half of a screenplay, does not have the same level of buildup and payoff as independence day. So compared to these plots, each cheesy but complete in its own little world, To the one protagonist arc in War of the Worlds What is Rayā€™s culminating moment? He is set up as an inadequate father, a blue collar kinda guy who doesnā€™t know how to take care of his children and only endures his custody weekends out of obligation. And when the aliens invade, he is forced into a situation where he MUST care for his children, all the while said children--a teenage boy on the verge of manhood and a confused neurotic pre-teen---are actually acting their age. Rachel, shut up, Rachel! (Rachel screaming) Ray does not know how to take responsibility for them, but through this situation he is forced to. Annndā€¦. the screenwriters didnā€™t seem to know where to go with that. And this is where the movie falls apart. Robbie is constantly wanting to get out and break free and ā€¦ be a man, but break free from what? You only chose Boston because you hope mom is there and you can dump us on her Rayā€™s not an overbearing father--he doesnā€™t even give Robbie a slap on the wrist when he steals his car. Why I might just slap my own hand Nor is Robbie is given any motivation to find some kind of greater calling in Act 1. He doesnā€™t lose anyone or see the initial carnage Ray saw--so this? We catch up with these soldiers, hook up with whoever else isn't dead and We get back at them, we get back at them! is the idiotic macho blathering of a teenage boy who has no idea what heā€™s talking about. So by the time the movie starts to fall apart, Robbie has shown no maturation. Then this happens. Robbie no, Robbie come back, Robbie youā€™re going to ruin the movie. Get back here! What are you going to be the randy quaid of this movie? This isnā€™t 1996 anymore, Robbie! Please let me go, you need to let me go! So then Robbie is basically out of the movie, and despite idiotically running into a fireball, donā€™t worry, everyone makes it to grandmaā€™s house. He's fine. Itā€™s not even that Robbie needed to die in the fireball--itā€™s that he needed a different story arc altogether. If they wanted it to be ā€œRay realizes Robbieā€™s a manā€, they should have built to that - because Robbie as writ IS A COMPLETE DIPSHIT. If we had any balls we'd go back and find one of those things and kill it. Every action he takes is immature, spiteful and wrong-headed. Let's try one that doesn't involve your ten-year-old sister joining the army! The movie begins with him stealing Rayā€™s car, and he does not mature past that. He never once earns the trust that Ray deigns to give him, thereā€™s never a moment where Robbie and Ray learn to respect each other as men. So this? Please let me go, you need to let me go! it's like ā€¦.where the hell did that come from? Letā€™s draw a comparison to cinemaā€™s most famous ā€œyou need to let goā€ moment When marlin and dory are trapped in a whale and marlin has to make a metaphorical leap of faith. He says, you have to let go, everything is gonna be alright! This is a culminating moment for marlinā€™s character. Marlin is an overprotective father. Heā€™s overbearing, heā€™s overcompensating, heā€™s neurotic, heā€™s already endured the horrible loss of his wife, which makes the loss of Nemo his greatest fear, and literally the worst thing that could happen to him. How do you know something bad isn't going to happen? I don't! So Marlin letting go in the face of uncertainty is a signifier of character growth Ray on the other hand is the polar opposite of that. Heā€™s a bad father, he makes no room in his life for his children, he is a poor caretaker, and takes no interest in their lives. I'm allergic to peanut butter. Yeah, since when? Birth. So what sense does this make for it to be any kind of culminating moment? itā€™s this kid trying to break free from a dad whoā€¦ never really was there for him in the first place. And eventually Rayā€™s likeā€¦ okay. Do whatever you want You can see the movie trying to push that itā€™s Building Up that this is ā€¦ robbie crossing into manhood and ray learning to respect him as a man, but this doesn't work given how obviously wrong headed his moves have been and continue to be Please let me go, you need to let me go! NOPE If we had any balls we'd go back and find one of those things and kill it. So here we trade in Robbie for Tim Robbins and spend the next forty minutes in a basement. He slides into the role of Robbie in the narrative as the party who wants to fight back, - Why did you bring us here? -To fight em. Together. against the wishes of ray who is just trying to not die, and it is the worst thing. Now we'll be the ones coming up from underground Only we have no emotional attachment to this guy. He is crazy and ā€¦ just showed up. Here now. In the movie. YAaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy So rather than making it a story about how Robbie and Ray reconcile these two approaches to, you know, alien invasion, all the while trying to keep the helpless girlchild safe from the barbarousness of humanity, we got tim robbins We're under their feet, Ray. Right here, under their feet. So pretty much no matter what happens after this, itā€™s not going to be satisfying to the audience as a story, even if it is tense, because the payoff does not work, either logically, thematically or emotionally, with what was built up. So this isnā€™t the real problem - itā€™s this. Iā€™m not saying it would have been better if Robbie never came back- well it would have, shown Ray that his inadequacy actually has a consequence - but rather that Ray steps up and is the goddamn dad, like then maybe later when this happens Robbie plays some integral role and helps Ray out, and then later when this happens maybe it was Robbie Who pulls him back out instead of this random guy we've never met and then they realize that yeah we did need each other something something and father and son develop a sense of something something mutual respect, you know, SOMETHING that pays off the setup. And itā€™s not a bad setup. But it needs to find some sense of organic resolution or your audience is gonna be pissed that they spent the last two hours with these people. Which is more or less what happened. The problem of invasion narratives in general - theyā€™re really difficult to resolve in ways that arenā€™t just transparentlyā€¦ unrealistic. Especially when a movie like War of the Worlds does such a great job of creating such an unfathomable horror of an invader like it does in the first actā€¦ in the end it creates an undefeatable enemy. An enemy we neither can nor want to understand. And in 2005, thatā€™s not what we were here for. But moreover, especially for American-made films, ā€œrevengeā€ is often a key element, and helplessness is never good - we want revenge against the invaders, and War of the Worlds ā€˜05 doesnā€™t deliver, it just kind of peters out, as does the narrative about Ray and his family. Both the invasion narrative and the character narrative just kind of slops out at the end like this alien out of a tripod. But moreover, especially for American-made films, ā€œrevengeā€ is often a key element - we want revenge against the invaders, and War of the Worlds ā€˜05 doesnā€™t deliver, it just kind of peters out, as does the narrative about Ray and his family. Both the invasion narrative and the character narrative just kind of slops out at the end like a dying alien out of a tripod. American audiences in 2005, jacked up on war on terror propaganda and seeking narratives that provide a sense of ā€œrevengeā€, were left cold by this film upon release. In the fourteen years since, feelings have softened on it to the point of a sort of cultural amnesia of how much people hated it at the time - but a more positive reevaluation is deserved in my opinion - except, of course, the resolution. part of why invasion narratives have fallen out of favor is that they're really hard to resolve with a happy ending We were okay with a dumb happy ending in 1996 But not in 2005 and not really now either It will never be 1996 again. You cannot go back to Independence Day. If we can conceive of an "Other" enemy that is capable of defeating us so completely It's harder to suspend disbelief that there is a way we could fight back and have a happy ending Now, a complete-ness in an invasion narrative just doesnā€™t feel narratively truthful that humanity could survive something so devastating And it's not that invasion narratives are gone Nowadays, invasion narratives tend to be secondary to the main conflicts, like Avengers, Transformers or even Man of Steel - the ā€œinvasionā€ only happens in the third act, and ALL of these involve superpowered beings or giant anthropomorphic robots protecting earth. Not normal humans as in Independence Day and War of the Worlds Moreover, the villains in these films are not like ā€œlocustsā€, They're like locusts, moving from planet to planet... they are not intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, Intellects vast, and cool, and unsympathetic they are, in effect, despite technically being aliens, human - their motivations are clear and completely understandable to the audience. The more straightforward alien invasion, as seen in Edge of Tomorrow tend to be commercial failures Now audiences want a twist, and the ones you do see tend to be low budget suspense thrillers that have more in common with the horror genre and character studies than action scifi, like A Quiet Place and 10 Cloverfield Lane. So the alien invasion motif is not gone, but it's nothing like War of the Worlds or Independence Day We are not interested in villains we canā€™t understand anymore - we have culturally stared down an event that we were unprepared and incapable of adequately resolving, in part because comprehending it would mean facing our own societal evil. So an incomprehensible villain - mass audiences just donā€™t want it. I can think of a number of reasons why that might be
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