Incredible Charging Speed But Not Without Issues? Kia EV6 Prototype Charging Testing From 0-100%

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tl;dw - 0-80% in ~24 min. 40-80% in <14 min. and was well past 100kW over 80%. Hot damn.

If getting real world 250mi range then this is a complete game changer and basically nixes any road trip range anxiety (assuming there are suitable L3 chargers available....)

Too bad won't see this in real numbers in the US any time soon it seems....

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 21 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/pithy_pun πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Sep 15 2021 πŸ—«︎ replies

I Like how it revs back from 30kw to 190kw at 65% Soc.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 5 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Working_Sundae πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Sep 15 2021 πŸ—«︎ replies

Comments on the video were saying H/K do some interesting charging curve tricks to avoid lithium plating issues internally as well as a diagnostic check at 80%, which might explain some of the drops in charging curve.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 5 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/sithanas πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Sep 15 2021 πŸ—«︎ replies

I love how this car and the other e-GMPs are shaping up. The EV6 GT is the first vehicle that has caused my eyes to wander from my I-Pace, but I'm not sure I'd be able to get over our local Kia dealership experience.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 4 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/vandy1981 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Sep 15 2021 πŸ—«︎ replies

Nice but at 58k most people can’t afford it

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 3 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/mitrucker1 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Sep 15 2021 πŸ—«︎ replies

Bit off topic: Heard a Hyundai radio add about the ioniq 5 today. Promoted with "charge enough for 100km driving in just 5mins thanks to its 800V system. The new ioniq 5 starting at 39.9k€"

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 2 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/blindeshuhn666 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Sep 15 2021 πŸ—«︎ replies

TWENTY THREE MINUTES LONG?! Jesus ffs

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 5 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/ieattoomanybeans πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Sep 15 2021 πŸ—«︎ replies

Not bad, seems pretty on par with Tesla’s model 3 and model Y (albeit the Y charges slower but it’s charging more miles so about the same per capita). Depends on if you have a charger that can support this speed near you, but if so, it’s pretty similar to Tesla’s more similarly priced models. Glad to see EV’s are consistently charging faster and faster.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 1 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/nightman008 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Sep 15 2021 πŸ—«︎ replies

Could there have been some grid related issues for charge rate?

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hello and welcome to another out of spec reviews video and welcome to another video with the kia ev6 i am so excited so curious so genuinely interested in today's video because this is the first egmp platform vehicle that we'll be charging in our zero to 100 percent dc fast charging test this thing at least the rumor is is a charging monster so we're gonna give it a go charge it from dead to full i'll walk you through the testing procedures and then we'll get it going this of course is the new kia ev6 it's sort of a sister card to the hyundai ioniq 5 and this particular car is the 77 kilowatt hour version so big battery all-wheel drive i've just run the car down from a full charge all day it's actually been dc charged as well today just for a brief period of time to make sure it works on the ionity station the battery pack is nice and warm exactly where we want it we went max speed down the autobahn and then for the last i'd say 15 just drove pretty normally with the station plugged in to the internal car's nav system so it can precondition for the charger which it can do this car is a pretty neat looking car the headlights are cool for sure at night time and with this car in black i think it actually looks pretty good i have to say uh we keep talking about styling but it's so polarizing i've been posting about this car on twitter some people love it some people hate it i'd say it's the ionix fives more sporty cousin but this isn't the full sporty one so in terms of testing procedures battery pack is at the correct temperature we pulled in here to the charging station at one percent by the way still has plenty of acceleration down to one percent pretty impressive right now i have the heater running on the cabin to take it down to zero percent as soon as it goes zero percent then we will start our tests on the ionity 350 kilowatt charging station you can see it's still sitting at one percent state of charge right there it's very important to remember that in the real world you're never really going to be charging dead to full but what this test allows us to do is analyze the full charging curve which i know a lot of you are waiting for but it also allows you to sort of gauge your 10 to 80 or 10 to 90 time or 20 to 80 percent time there are a couple exclusions to this rule though and this would be cars with time-based charging charging algorithms like mustang machi and of course sometimes like porsche tycoon we can overheat the battery if we don't have the cars in the correct modes therefore actually starting at zero percent puts you at a disadvantage for high state of charge charging because it would have already been hot so these are the things we learned by doing this baseline 0 to 100 then we can play around we can plug the car in at 20 30 40 whatever it is but for now let's get it down to zero percent plug her in and see how this thing charges all the way to 100 again genuinely very curious i have no idea what to expect our smart car gets 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charges you see um when we're charging at such high power you know this car is rated at 240 kilowatts it's possible things get hot it's possible charging stations get hot it's possible external factors play a role such as sometimes it's not actually best to pull into the charging station with a fully preconditioned battery because it just means you don't have as much of a thermal limit so let's start with the full zero to 100 percent test where the car has selected the battery pack temperature because i was pre-conditioned to the charging station this is what is most replicated in the real world it was chilly outside low 60 degree fahrenheit temperatures i want to say 62 f so let's um let me get this cued up here and we'll be good to go in a second starting here at zero percent the car is showing 648 volts on the pack uh this is why we always say 800 volt cars aren't exactly 800 volts it's the 800 volt class now when we dump current into the car before we start charging i'm going to just explain this you're going to see pack voltage jump and shoot up high but if we were to actually stop charging pack voltage would settle back down so when we're charging with this much power there's two limits that the car is most likely going to run into there's plenty of others but the first is a voltage limit if you're just dumping so much current into the battery pack for such a long period of time sometimes the car has to occasionally back off the charge rate to let the pack voltage drop to a safe level second is thermals obviously dumping so much energy into the battery pack things are going to get hot and there are limits to any anything whatsoever so here we go the car is predicting 51 minutes to 100 in its little window this little window showing the car screen doesn't last very long uh just because the battery died in that camera so play here we go ramping slow walk up to over 200 kilowatts it's gonna go amazing dumping 300 amps in there that's kind of what the car is requesting and then i think like the 303 is running cooling system auxiliary 217 kilowatts we've added five kilowatt hours in two minutes amazing amazing amazing right off the bat plugging this thing in at zero on road trips is not a detriment some cars wait and then go up i think ionic five does this at least from what i've heard this is just max right at the beginning 223 kilowatts still sitting there at 16 state of charge 13 kilowatt hours in four minutes amazing you can see pack voltage way up there at 742 volts that's just because we've been dumping the current in there cars predicting 45 minutes to 100 right now pretty insane charging i mean still 225 kilowatts it's just sitting there how much more could you ask for this thing is just pegged the whole way from zero to thirty percent even this is just mind-blowing this is not a porsche tycoon that's a hundred grand this is an ev6 that's like 40 to 50 grand base insane insane insane insane charging this is just gonna blow out the rest of the market i think i truly believe this is a transformative vehicle here we have amps up at 305 306 again ac starting to kick out on the car at around 40 i heard the fan here we are crossing the 45 mark and oh it's backing down backing down here so we've hit 760 volts now we're down to 186 kilowatts here at 50 percent uh 50 has come in 11 minutes crazy considering the range of this car i haven't done a full range test 40 kilowatt hours in 12 minutes now it's just sitting at 187 188 my feeling at this point is this is because of thermals uh i think pack voltage is still fine and look now we're at 116 at 57 just backing down this is not uh what i was expecting and it's not what i've heard so i think charging from zero was heating things up the whole way and then the car went oh my goodness i can't keep myself cool let me back down on the charging we see this in taikon this is really what we get into when we get into the super high power evs now 62 we're down to 30 kilowatts what's going on here so 50 kilowatt hours in 16 minutes i think it's just got itself so hot it doesn't know what to do it's just like i need to cool down 30 kilowatts it's just sitting there so yeah this was a little bit of a disappointment here that it wasn't able to thermally recover even after dropping the charge rate to 180 kilowatts what i did in the next charging test was actually plug in at 40 state of charge to avoid all that rapid heating from zero to 40 because we know it just sits pegged and then we can try and log the rest of the curve but interesting here i think it's cooled itself down boom right back up to 190 kilowatts i think it just went okay rock and roll 250 amps boom and uh so now we're back 184 kilowatts at 70 percent for reference a tesla model 3 long range is about 70 kilowatts at 70 state of charge this is 170 kilowatts at 70 state of charge on a very similar size battery pack just just crazy here i mean e-tron is just left the chat in terms of charging curve certainly this needs some thermal management improvements again this is a pre-production prototype car it's possible that the engineers can do fine-tuning on software to run ac compressor when you start plugging in now i'm not a hundred percent certain this is thermally related but i don't see any other thing that would be causing this dip in charge look down to six kilowatts then it waits and it sits at eighty-two percent it's just five six kilowatts and it'll ramp back up here in a little bit uh i've never seen this before on any charging curve i think it's just early car pre-production it's just what we're dealing with it can't keep itself cool it's sitting hitting some sort of limit i'm pretty sure the five or six kilowatts is not even going to the battery pack at all this is probably all just a thermal management and then it said yep start up go charging again even then 122 kilowatts at 83 holy smokes we are just living in a whole new world here folks this is the new gold standard if they can keep this thing cool it's going to be amazing so 90 kilowatts at 86 percent 88 kilowatts at 86 this seems normal to me this seems like now okay thermals aren't playing a huge factor 75 kilowatts ramping down as we get close to 90 state of charge you can see pack voltage is at 802 so what i guess the car is probably doing is just ramping the current to keep pack voltage right at around 800 it probably doesn't want to go much higher than that so it's just dropping the current to keep uh voltage right about the same 60 kilowatts at 90 percent on a 77 kilowatt hour pack oh my god this is stupid it's really stupid i don't know how else to describe this charging this thing on a road trip is just gonna be incredible once they can keep it cool oh my goodness i cannot wait to test a production version and of course we'll be doing the same exact testing on a production car and this is why the zero to 100 tests are important not because anyone's ever going to do this in the real world it's because we see these thermal issues we see these weird charging stuff that you wouldn't get if you just start plugging in at 10 and go to 80. this is needed to go from zero to full takes a lot of time of course a lot of planning a lot of effort but i think it's really really worth it here we are i love the ionity screens giving us all the info 40 kilowatts at 95 just for reference model 3 at 95 is doing 20 something i think so this is more than twice as good um what i'm interested to see is does it just hit 100 and stop that would indicate a top buffer on the battery pack or is it just going to ramp down slowly we'll see we've added 78 kilowatt hours to the battery pack again this is um i shouldn't say added to the battery pack the 79 kilowatt hours we're looking at here has been delivered out of the plug into the vehicle again the car also has to run thermal systems and there's always losses in transmission so this is not a good way to gauge battery pack capacity but at least you know if it's showing 80 kilowatts i think we got every last drop of juice in there uh possible because it's about 77 usable uh and i'd be surprised if we lost three kilowatts 98 still doing 22 kilowatts what a monster 43 minutes zero to 98 even including the thermal issues that like stopped the charge here or there just stupid i don't know how else to describe this we're we're living in a dream world here folks i'm so excited to do the next test with you that'll come after this clip where we plug it in at 40 state of charge and i'm filming this a few days later so i genuinely don't even remember what happened so it's like i'm viewing this for the first time with you 99 15 kilowatts that's crazy that shows me that there's probably a pretty big top buffer on this battery pack 81 and a half kilowatt hours delivered let's wait for it to complete i really want to see does it go down to two kilowatts one kilowatts nope just shuts off so there is a bit of a top buffer in this battery pack so there you have it zero to one hundred percent very interesting charging curve very odd charging curve uh and and i mean that the best way possible just sits pegged and then it just overheats itself is my guess if you guys think something else is happening other than thermals let me know but i don't think it's pack voltage uh i just think something gets hot and i didn't know if it was the charging station or the car i don't imagine it was the charging station because ionitis can do you know ticons at 270 kilowatts we've used this exact station for that before too and it didn't overheat um but just to be sure i actually went on the next day i let the car cool down overnight i um drove the car around in the morning a little bit from about 60 state of charge to 30 state of charge dc fast charged it from 30 to 50 just to make sure it was good and then drove it really slowly and gently down to 40 with the navigation programmed in so now we have a warm battery plugging in at 40 state of charge for this test and again same temperature outside it was relatively chilly munich in september is kind of chilly so let's plug in here and see if we notice that same weird anomaly and here we are now starting at 40 state of charge exactly interestingly with no current flowing through the pack it's sitting at 697 volts this is what i was saying when you put current into the battery pack it pulls the voltage up and eventually there's a limit but here at least sitting stable with no loads on the vehicle nominal voltage is 697 at 40 so let's hit the play button and see how this thing does is it just gonna sit you know again we started to taper at what 47 state of charge on the previous one down to 180 kilowatts let's see if we can maintain more uh that would indicate that that was a thermal throttle so here we are plugging in it's ramping up the current 50 kilowatts 70 100 pack voltage is shooting through the roof 88 kilowatts just sitting there for a little bit it has to think then it goes up to 130 then 160 and then it sits there for a little bit interesting it's ledging itself up now 200 kilowatts this could be itself warming it up but even then 223 kilowatts here at 43 state of charge the car is estimating 12 minutes to 80 crazy crazy crazy stuff here so everything's looking the same here 223 kilowatts at 46 sorry for the reflections of me on the phone walking around the screen not sure i can do much about that but um you know this is just the problems of filming in the real world we don't have a lab where we can do these things but look at this uh let me tap the screen here in a second i just realized come on there we go 223 kilowatts at 51 so it definitely tapered earlier starting from zero percent state of charge probably due to heat here we are still 220 plus kilowatt 54 amazing interestingly i believe it was doing a 300 amp request at the previous charging station here it's doing a 288 amp request from the charger that's interesting um anyway still sixty percent state of charge almost 220 kilowatts so this means that the charging curve itself is just flat then at 59 percent look it just hit a wall we're down to 128 i think 60 yep 128. so from zero to 58 percent for sure we know in our testing this car can go max out speed but it hits this limit and it's a different limit each time and i think it's all thermally related it can't keep itself cool again here i wonder if this is truly the case or if this is a voltage case here now it's just sitting at 127 128 kilowatts at 64 it seems that the mid you know that 60 to 85 percent state of charge rain is is not well tuned on this car they really need to beef up that middle the end is amazing the beginning stellar but as soon as you get from let's just say realistically 50 to 85 this little bit this needs all the work whether it's cooling whether it's just charging curve whether it's a weird anomaly because this is a pre-production car and it's maybe having isolation issues i don't know um you know it's really hard to say what's causing this current ramp down but now we're just sitting at 130 kilowatts at 70 percent and i'm pretty certain the first charging curve was doing better if you take a look at inside evs in a couple days probably these these videos go out first and then we write them up on insideevs.com we will have these charts showing but keep in mind this is all preliminary data on an early pre-production car it's all very promising it's all great and i think it's only going to get better with a production version at least this is what i hoped for 73 state of charge sitting at 70 or 130 kilowatts this doesn't seem right at all i'm curious if it does this 80 once we hit 80 percent state of charge if it dips again because going down to like zero kilowatts into the battery and just running the thermal systems chargers delivering three four five kilowatts this is crazy to me um but but what an insane charging curve if you're road tripping this thing pull in as low as possible ride it until it tapers and then head to the next one it'll cool down while driving i did notice too even when unplugging after that zero to 100 i floored it onto the highway and it was limiting power it was hot uh so eighty percent here look at this dropping 60 50 40 30 20 kilowatts 81 down to 4 kilowatts same thing maybe it's not thermally related maybe it's another weird issue it's just crazy to me that it's just 81 same state of charge both times totally different tests totally different charges just right down and then it sits there and it does this thing where it pops up and it goes you know big power and then it goes oh wait can't do that anymore and then down this is where i think it might be a a voltage limitation because it's just hitting a top voltage and it goes ah so who knows who knows i don't know not me obviously i don't know why you're watching this video i don't know but here we are now 1.6 1.7 kilowatts that was a nice woman asking me all about the car in german she spoke no english there was a lot of hand signs everyone comes up to look at this car by the way it's so interesting it's so exciting everyone wants to see it if you go ahead and look at inside evs i have a video review towards the end i was driving it i have it on video where a guy in a van is like recording it look at this now 83 up to 150 kilowatts and now backing itself down to 112 110 this is weird and then it pretty much finishes off exactly the same as the um the previous test or nearest makes no difference in my mind so again the top portion of the battery pack is good the bottom is truly insane and the middle needs some work so there you have it charging on the ev6 i'll let this video clip play so you can watch the ending few percents here go on but for the most part interesting car exciting car uh to me i think it's one of the best cars on the market in in total it's gonna gonna blow everyone out of the water i mean look we were so excited that id4 is getting 175 kilowatt charging big whoop 220 baby right here insane this is going to transform people who live in apartments that need dc charging that need really good charging at high states of charge because you know you don't have home charging uh this is a real big thing i've learned in europe that most people just dc charge their cars all the time and they need a good charging curve and it needs to charge well when the battery packs cold what a world we're living in folks the ev6 truly is a stellar machine i think it's fast it looks okay-ish it's growing on me the interior quality though is amazing the air conditioned seats were great the driver assistance was great the range was great the efficiency was great but truly this car's hallmark is going to be this charging curve once it's sorted out um again if we were to base this if this was a production car that i was testing i would be like amazing but like this is really bad you need to fix it immediately there are no production cars on sale of ev6 yet so this is an early car a preliminary test and something where i think it's a little bit excusable this early on in the testing phases if we see this same anomaly when uh production cars come well that'll be a different story we'll make a video about it and we'll cover it as usual so yeah if you're looking at a new ev it might be worth waiting for ionic 5 for ev6 kia and hyundai say they're giving each cars different character the ev6 is going to be the sporty trendy one i like the ioniq 5 styling personally so we'll see how it goes but here we are again just pegging itself at 800 volts on the pack and ramping down current so i'll leave you with this thanks for watching another out of spec reviews video i really hope you've enjoyed uh all of the charging nerdery i'm sorry i don't plot everything into curves for you uh i just honestly we're just in norway right now i'm in oslo in a hotel room and i'm late to go pick up a model 3. so uh yeah so just just don't have the time but if one of you would love to do these things please make curves and charts i'll put them in the description i know mark kane at inside evs does all of these articles for charging for us and so they'll eventually be plotted and curved and i'll update the description with the link to that article when that happens so again thanks to ev wash for sponsoring today's video thank you to kia big thank you to kia for letting us get early access to a pre-production prototype and uh and letting us do these fun tests with it you know of course nothing's standardized nothing's really you know metric based this is all real world testing but uh gives us a good indication this car is going to be a monster thanks again for watching and we'll see you on the next one bye-bye you
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