♪ AND THEN HE SAID, I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU. ♪ WELCOME TO THIS VERY SPECIAL WORLD OVER. I'M RAYMOND ARROYO AND WE'RE ON MOTHER ANGELICA'S SET FOR A REMEMBRANCE OF MOTHER MARY ANGELICA, THE FOUNDRESS AND THE FIRST WOMAN IN THE HISTORY OF BROADCAST TO LEAVE A CABLE NETWORK AS CEO AND SHOW HOST. OVER THE NEXT HOUR WE'RE GOING TO REVISIT SOME OF THE TURNING POINTS OF MOTHER'S REMARKABLE LIFE AND REMINISCE WITH THOSE WHO NEW HER BEST, FRIENDS, FAMILY, COLLEAGUES, HER SISTERS AND HER COWORKERS. MOTHER WAS BORN, RITA ANTOINETTE RIZZO IN CANTON OH IN 1923. HE WAS ABANDONED BY HER FATHER AT 5-YEARS-OLD AND LEFT IN THE CARE OF MAE RIZZO, HER MANIACALLY DEPRESSED MOTHER. AND THEY STRUGGLED IN A GHETTO OF WORKING CLASS ITALIANS AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS. SHE WAS PLAGUED BY DISABILITIES. A STOMACH AILMENT PROVED A TURNING POINT. RITA WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY EATING AND WAS DIAGNOSED WITH A STOMACH DISEASE. THE STOMACH WAS CONSTRICTED AT THE OPENING AND SHE WAS LOSING WEIGHT. AND HER MOTHER TOOK HER TO A MYSTIC, RHODA WISE, WHO CLAIMED TO SEE JESUS AND ST. THERESE. WHEN SHE MET WITH RITA, WISE MERELY GAVE THE GIRL A PRAYER CARD, NINE DAY NOVENA WHICH RITA AND HER MOTHER PRAYED. NINE DAYS LATER, RITA RIZZO WAS FREE OF PAIN AND COULD EAT AGAIN. SHE FELL MADLY IN LOVE WITH JESUS! AND AT THAT POINT, SHE KNEW FOR THE FIRST TIME, THAT SHE HAD A FATHER IN HEAVEN, IF NOT ON EARTH THAT CARED FOR HER WELL BEING AND LOVED HER INDIVIDUALLY. WE'RE JOINED FROM D.C. BY BARBARA HOUGHTON. MODERN ANGELICA'S COUSIN AND AND TELL US ABOUT HER MOTHER MAE. SHE WAS A GREAT STORY TELLER, WASN'T SHE? >> YES, AND WE CALLED HER AUNT MAE MAE. SHE WAS A GREAT STORY TELLER, BABYSIT US AND TELL US STORIES ABOUT HOW HEAVEN WAS PAVED WITH GOLD, THE STREETS WERE GOLD, AND THE BUILDINGS WERE GOLD AND THE PEOPLE WERE GOLD AND EVERYTHING WAS EVERYTHING WAS GOLD AND WHEN YOU GOT UP THERE, IT WAS SUCH A REWARD; AND THEN SHE WOULD TELL US SCARY STORIES AND PUT US TO BED. SHE WAS QUITE A CHARACTER, MY AUNT MAE. >> DO YOU SEE ANY OF HER IN MOTHER ANGELICA WHEN YOU WATCH THE SHOWS. >> OH, YES. I MEAN, THE STORYTELLING, THE VIVACITY, THE FACIAL RESEMBLANCE, YES. IT MAKES US MISS HER ALL THE MORE. WE USED TO WATCH MOTHER ANGELICA AND SISTER DAVID, MY AUNT, SHE WAS GONE. AND YOU KNOW, SHE WAS WONDERFUL TO GROW UP. AND SHE MADE THE BEST HOME MADE PASTA OF ANYBODY, ANY PLACE THAT I HAD IT. >> Raymond: THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS MOTHER ANGELICA BROUGHT HER MOTHER MAE MAE HERE TO BIRMINGHAM AND JOINED THE RELIGIOUS ORDER. AND THINK PART OF IT WAS TO KEEP GOOD FOOD ON THE TABLE. SHE COULDN'T STAND THE STUFF THEY HAD COOKED HERE. AND WHAT WAS THE LURE OF HER ENTERING THE CONVENT? I KNOW THE HEALING REALLY CURED HER. >> I WASN'T AROUND THEN. BUT THE FAMILY WORD WAS, RITA JUST TOOK OFF. SHE TOOK OFF AND JOINED A CONVENT. AND WE'RE SUMMARIZING HERE. AND MY AUNT MAE, IT WAS HER ONLY CHILD. SHE WAS A WOMAN WHO WAS DIVORCED AND RITA WAS HER ONLY CHILD. AND SHE SENT MY UNCLE NICK UP THERE TO CLEVELAND, I GUESS IT WAS, TO TRY TO CONVINCE HER NOT TO, TO NOT JOIN, COME TO HER SENSES AND COME HOME. AND SHE DIDN'T. SHE WAS VERY HEADSTRONG. AND SHE MADE THE RIGHT DECISION. >> Raymond: WHAT AREN'T WE HEARING ABOUT MOTHER ANGELICA THAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE KIDS, WE USED TO GO VISIT HER IN THE MONASTERY. MY AUNT MAE DIDN'T DRIVE. WE PICKED HER UP AND WOULD TAKE HER TO VISIT MOTHER IN THE MONASTERY. AND IT WAS A CLOISTERED MONASTERY. WE WERE JUST KIDS. AND WE USED TO VISIT HER AND PUT OUR FINGERS THROUGH THE GRATE TO TOUCH HER. AND WE WOULD SAY, WHY IS SHE IN JAIL. YOU KNOW. AND SHE JUST WAS, YOU KNOW, LITTLE KID GOING TO VISIT A CLOISTERED NONE. YOU WONDER, WHAT DID SHE DO THAT SHE CAN'T COME OUT. AND SHE WOULD LIFT HER VEIL AND MAKE US LAUGH BECAUSE WE KNEW SHE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. AND SHE WAS ALWAYS SO HAPPY TO SEE HER FAMILY AND WE WERE SO HAPPY TO SEE HER. YOU COULD TELL, SHE WAS MY EARLY ROLE MODEL. MY GIRLFRIEND'S THAT LIVED ON THE BLOCK, THEY HAD DOLLS. AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE BLOCK THAT HAD A NUN DOLL. SHE WAS MY ROLE MODEL AND I STILL HAVE THAT NUN DOLL. AND SHE WAS MY ROLE MODEL AS A WOMAN. YOU COULD JUST TELL, THERE WAS A LIGHT SHINING OVER HERE. AND EVERYBODY KNEW IT. >> Raymond: THANK YOU, FOR SHARING YOUR MEMORIES. >> THANK YOU, RAYMOND FOR HAVING ME. >> Raymond: AND TO BACK UP THE STORY, SHE FELL HEAD OVER HEELS IN LOVE WITH GOD AND WAS DETERMINED TO BOND WITH HIM IN SOME WAY. THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD FRIEND, STEPHEN ZOLESKI AND HE REMEMBERS A CERTAIN GOOD FRIDAY WHEN SHE APPROACHED THE CRUCIFIX. >> I NOTICED WHEN SHE WENT UP LAST TO KISS IT, SHE KISSED IT LIKE A WIFE KISSED HER HUSBAND, LIKE A LOVER. DEFINITE DIFFERENCE. AND I COULD SEE RIGHT THEN SHE HAD AN INTENSE LOVE FOR THE LORD. AND I REMEMBER SHE WAS WORKING AT KEMPKINS THAT TIME AND SHE HAD A PICTURE PAINTED ON HER DESK, THE LORD, A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE. AND THEY WERE COMPLAINING SAYING, YOU ARE PRAYING TO YOUR RELIGION THERE, HER FRIENDS. AND SHE SAID, WHAT? AND SHE SAID, IT'S ALREADY ALL RIGHT FOR YOU TO PUT YOUR SWEETHEART'S PICTURE OR A PICTURE OF SOME MOVIE STAR, SOMEBODY THAT YOU LOVE. SO I'M PUTTING A PICTURE OF THE ONE I LOVE. THAT PICTURE STAYS THERE. AND BEFORE SHE BECAME A NUN, SHE WAS IN CHURCH HERE AND THERE WAS A SORROWFUL MOTHER STATUE THERE. SHE LOOKED AT THE STATUE. AND OUR LORD SPOKE TO HER. HE SPOKE TO HER THROUGH THE STATUE AND HE SAID, WHY ARE YOU KEEPING ME WAITING? WHY ARE YOU KEEPING ME WAITING? AND THEN SHE KNEW THAT THE LORD WANTED HER TO COME TO FOLLOW HIM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO, SHE DID EVERYTHING IN SEQUENCE. SHE DIDN'T DARE TELL HER MOTHER BECAUSE HER MOTHER WOULD REALLY RAISE THE ROOF >> Raymond: IN IN 1944 RITA SECRETLY ENTERED A POOR CLARE CONVENT IN CLEVELAND IMAGINING SHE WOULD NEVER SEE THE WORLD AGAIN. THEN PAIN INTRUDE. IN 1953, JOAN FRANK WAS WORKING WITH SISTER ANGELICA ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THEIR MONASTERY WHEN THIS HAPPENED. >> WELL, WE WERE SCRUBBING A HALLWAY MAYBE IN PREPARATION FOR A FEAST DAY OR SOMETHING. AND INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING THE SCRUBBER ON, SHE SPRINKLED THE FLOOR WITH SOAPY WATER. AND WHEN THE SCRUBBER CAME ON TO THE SOAPY WATER, IT KICKED BACK AND HIT HER AND KNOCKED HER OVER REALLY SEVERELY INJURING HER BACK. YEAH. AND SHE WAS NEVER THE SAME AFTER THAT. >> Raymond: WALKING THROUGH MORE DIFFICULT. AND SISTER ANGELICA UNDERWENT NUMEROUS SURGERIES INCLUDING A MAJOR ONE. IN 1956. >> THE NIGHT BEFORE THE SURGERY, DOCTOR HOUGHT CAME AND SAID, SISTER WHEN YOU WAKE UP FROM SURGERY TOMORROW YOU MAY NOT FEEL YOUR LEGS, AND IN FACT, YOU MAY NEVER WALK AGAIN. AND THAT JUST SHROUDED HER IN DARKNESS. AND SO, SHE PROMISED GOD, IF SHE COULD WALK SHE WOULD START A MONASTERY OF ADORATION. THAT WAS THE PROMISE. >> Raymond: AND THAT PROMISE CONTAINED SOMETHING I DISCOVERED YEARS LATER. MOTHER DIDN'T JUST PROMISE TO BUILD A MONASTERY. BUT A MONASTERY TO PRAY FOR RACIAL INJUSTICES. SHE GREW UP IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH RACIAL INDIFFERENCE AND SOUGHT TO FIGHT IT. SHE DID WALK AGAIN WITH CRUTCHES AND BRACES AND LEADING HER TO COMMENT YEARS LATER, WHEN YOU MAKE A DEAL WITH GOD, BE VERY SPECIFIC. SHE WROTE LETTERS TO SEVERAL BISHOPS ASKING PERMISSION TO BUILD A POOR CLARE MONASTERY IN THEIR DIOCESE. ONLY ONE BISHOP RESPONDED. AND THE BISHOP OF MOBILE BIRMINGHAM. ANGELICA HAD FOUND HER NEW HOME. AND NOW SHE HAD TO GET THERE. WHEN OUR WORLD OVER TRIBUTE TO THE LIFE OF MOTHER ANGELICA CONTINUES, GOD USES A DO-DO AND BUILDS A NETWORK. >> NOW, I HOPE MOTHER ANGELICA IS REMEMBERED, NOT AS A CAN-DO ENTREPRENEUR IN YOUR FACE BUT AS SOMEBODY WHO PRECISELY EMBODIED THAT BRILLIANT PENETRATING INSIGHT OF THE SACRAMENTALITY OF THE PRESENT MOMENT. IT'S HERE. DON'T LOSE THE HERE-NOW OR YOU MAY LOSE IT FOREVER. SHE HAD A GIFT FOR SIMPLIFICATION WITHOUT BEING ANTI-INTELLECTUAL. SHE HAD A GIFT FOR SPONTANEITY WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A PROFOUND IMMERSION IN AUTHORITATIVE TRADITION. AND ALL OF THESE COMBINED MAKE HER AND HER WITNESS FOR OUR TIME AND PLEASED GOD FOR AGES TO COME, A GREAT GIFT TO THE CHURCH AND TO THE WORLD. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> WATCHING THAT LITTLE TINY, TINY STUDIO. I HAD NEVER SEEN A TV STUDIO AND WE ALREADY HAD BEEN PUBLICIZING BOOKS FOR YEARS REACHING A LOT OF PEOPLE. BUT I REMEMBER STAND NEGATIVE DOORWAY AND SAYING, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO REACH THE MASSES. AND I SAID, LORD I'VE GOT TO HAVE ONE OF THESE. >> Raymond: I'M RAYMOND ARROYO AND WELCOME TO THE WORLD OVER LIFE AND TRIBUTE TO THE LEGACY OF MOTHER ANGELICA. IN 1959, SISTER ANGELICA HAD BEEN INVITED BY THE BISHOP OF BIRMINGHAM TO ESTABLISH A MONASTERY IN THE DEEP SOUTH. BUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT? HERE, WE SEE THE FIRST GLIMMER OF ANGELICA, THE ENTREPRENEUR. SHE START AD MAIL ORDER BUSINESS, FISHING LURE BUSINESS RUN BY SHE AND A FEW NUNS. AND THAT ENTERPRISE START PAID FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MONASTERY. AND ONCE THEY GOT THERE, THEY SUSTAINED THEMSELVES BY ROASTING PEANUT. AND THE LITTLE OLE PEANUT COMPANY DISTRIBUTED THEIR PEANUTS TO STORES AND ARENAS ALL OVER BIRMINGHAM. NOW, THERE WAS A GOSPEL GROUP EXPANDING TO OTHERS WHERE RECORDINGS WERE MADE OF HER TALKS AND PLAYED ON THE RADIO. SOON SHE WAS INVITED TO SPEAK ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. THOSE TALKS WERE ELECTRIC. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ABRAHAM. YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN YOU READ THAT BEAUTIFUL SCRIPTURE OF ABRAHAM. YOU EVER PUT YOUR GUTS INTO IT AND BLOOD? OR IS IT JUST A LITTLE STORY THAT YOU READ? SEE, THIS IS WONDERFUL STORY. HE HAD FAITH. WELL, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? HERE'S A MAN 90-YEARS-OLD. 90! AND ANYBODY HERE 90? 90-YEARS-OLD? SEE. NOBODY 90 WOULD EVEN COME TONIGHT. AND THERE'S ABRAHAM SITTING THERE, PROBABLY DOTING -- [PAUSE]. HE HEARS A VOICE THAT SAYS, ABRAHAM. [PAUSE]. YOU HEAR THAT? SAID, ABRAHAM! [PAUSE]. YEAH? ABRAHAM, YOU SHALL BE THE FATHER OF A GREAT NATION [DEEP VOICE]. [PAUSE]. [LAUGHTER] HUH? YOU SHALL BE THE FATHER AFTER GREAT NATION! AND HERE'S SARAH, LISTENING. SHE GOES, YEAH. [LAUGHTER] YOU KNOW WHAT SHE'S THINKING, WHOEVER THAT IS DOESN'T KNOW. [LAUGHTER] AND THAT'S THE END OF THE LIFE, YOU KNOW, 90 YEARS. AND THEN NINE YEARS LATER, DON'T YOU THINK ABRAHAM EVER WONDERED IF HE EVER HEARD A VOICE? OH, SARAH MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING ELSE. [LAUGHTER] THOSE WOMEN ARE SO NAGGY. I BET SHE KEPT SAYING EVERY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, I TOLD YOU. I TOLD YOU. >> Raymond: MOTHER ANGELICA STARTED TO APPEAR ON PROTESTANT TELEVISION PROGRAMS WHERE SHE BECAME SOMETHING OF A FIXTURE. >> AND THE MONASTERY IS THERE THAT YOU DESIGNED? >> RIGHT, I BROUGHT IT DOWN. AND IT TOOK US THREE MONTHS TO FIND LAND. AND I GOT TO TELL YOU THIS. WHEN WE FINALLY DID, THE ARK AT THE PARTICULAR TIME. WE BOUGHT THE LAND. WE WENT UP NORTH WHILE HE MADE THE ENGINEERING PLANS. AND WE CAME DOWN AMEND SAID, MOTHER YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SELL THE LAND. AND I SAID, WHY. AND HE SAID, WELL, IT'S LIKE THIS. YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY TO BUILD THE ROOF LET ALONE BLAST THAT ROCK. AND HE SAID, IT'S SOLID ROCK. WE TOOK A CORE TEST. AND I SAID, NO, NO, THAT'S WHERE THE LORD WANTS THIS. AND HE SAID, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. MEN LOOK AT WOMEN LIKE THEY ARE DOE DOES. AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE A NUN AND A WOMAN, IT'S WORSE! >> Raymond: HER POPULARITY GOT HER TO RECORD A BIBLE SERIES AND THE CREW MARKETING TEAM AND PRIMARY SUPPORTERS AND BY 1978, HER TELEVISION SUCCESS AND EMERGENCE OF CABLE INSPIRED MOTHER TO BUILD HER OWN NETWORK, CATHOLIC CABLE ENTERPRISE. MATT SCALISI WAS THERE FROM THE BEGINNING AND HE'S JOINING ME RIGHT NOW. GIVE THEM A SENSE NOW OF HOW FRAGILE THE ENTERPRISE WAS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THINK, OH, SHE HAD THE WHOLE PLAN. >> WELL, AS YOU KNOW, MOTHER CAN TELL THE STORY BETTER THAN ICK. YOU KNOW HER INSPIRATIONS HAPPENED BIT BY BIT. IT'S NOT LIKE GOD REVEALED THE ENTIRE PLAN AT ONCE. SHE TELLS THE STORY OF BEING AT CHICAGO TELEVISION STATION. TINY LITTLE STUDIO, LOOKING UP AND SAYING, OH, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO REACH THE MASSES. LORD, I GOT TO HAVE ONE OF THESE. BUT THAT WAS LONG BEFORE THE MOMENT THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED. MOTHER, I THINK, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO LEAD INTO IT BY SAYING, MOTHER'S SENSE OF FAITH, SENSE OF DIRECTION AND INSPIRATION WAS SOMETHING THAT SHE SHARED WITH EVERY ONE. AND THAT WAS THAT YOU LIVE IN THE PRESENT MOMENT. MEANING, YOU ARE NOT LOOKING FORWARD, YOU ARE NOT LOOKING BACKWARD. AND SOMETIMES THAT MEANS YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THE NEXT STEP IS. SO, MOTHER LOVED TO SAY, FAITH. FAITH IS HAVING ONE FOOT ON THE GROUND, ONE FOOT IN THE AIR AND THAT QUEASY FEELING IN YOUR STOMACH. SHE SAID IT A THOUSAND TIMES. AND I THINK THE REASON SHE SAID IT A THOUSAND TIMES IS BECAUSE SHE LIVED IT A THOUSAND TIMES. >> Raymond: GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE MISSING ABOUT HER, IN THE SENSE OF THE MOTHER IN THOSE EARLY YEARS. SHE WAS VERY INTUITIVE, VERY IN TOUCH WITH YOU AND SMALL NUCLEUS OF PEOPLE AROUND HER. >> RIGHT. WE STARTED WITH FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE. THERE WAS, AS YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A GARAGE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. I WAS JUST GRADUATING COLLEGE AT THE TIME. SHE ASKED ME IF I WOULD COME HELP OUT. I THOUGHT I WAS DOING A FRIEND A FAVOR. I HAD GROWN UP DOWN THE STREET FROM MOTHER. AND SHE WAS VERY SPECIAL TO ME. AND OF COURSE, I WOULD SAY YES. SO, I CAME HERE WITH REALLY JENNY DOMINIC AND ONE OR TWO OTHER PEOPLE TO HELP OUT TO SEE IF WE CAN HELP PRODUCE TV. AND WE WERE NEVER CERTAIN HOW WE WERE GOING TO AFFORD TELEVISION EQUIPMENT. HOW WE MOVED ON FROM HERE. AND IF WE MADE IT, WHERE IT WOULD FIND A VIEWERSHIP. SO, THINGS WERE FRAGILE EVERYDAY. AND YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE EASY JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIALLY FRAGILE. BUT THERE WAS PLENTY OF SELF DOUBT. PLENTY OF TIMES WHERE YOU WOULD STEP OUT IN FAITH AND YOU WOULD BEGIN TO PRODUCE SOMETHING THAT YOU THOUGHT HAD MERIT. AND THEN YOU WOULD HIT A ROADBLOCK THAT HAPPENED OVER AND OVER. AND PROBABLY STILL HAPPENS TODAY. YOU HIT A ROADBLOCK AND YOU GO, LORD, SHE WOULD SAY, WELL, LORD, YOU LED ME HERE. WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO GO NOW. AND YOU MADE A COMMENT JUST PRIOR TO AIR, SOMETIMES MOTHER FOUND HERSELF OUT ON AUTO LIMB AND THE ONLY DIRECTION TO GO WAS FORWARD. AND SHE DID THAT. NOT KNOWING WHAT WAS BEYOND HER VISION AND I THINK THAT WAS THE BEAUTY OF IT. SHE COMPLETELY TRUSTED GOD. AND SHE WAS PERFECTLY WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT IF HE HAD BROUGHT HER TO THIS POINT ONLY TO LET IT FAIL, THAT SHE HAD BEEN FAITHFUL TO THE INSPIRATION, SHE HAD DONE THE BEST SHE C.O. AND IF IT FAILED, IT FAILED >> Raymond: WHAT'S HER LEGACY IN YOUR ESTIMATION? >> WELL, THERE ARE TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. SOME CATHOLIC AND SOME CATHOLIC AND NOT CHRISTIAN AND SOME CHRISTIAN BUT YEARNING TO UNDERSTAND AND BELIEVE. AND I'VE MET SO MANY OF THEM MYSELF. AND I'VE BEEN AWAY FROM THE NETWORK SINCE 1993. SOMETIMES WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHO I WAS AND WHERE I CAME FROM. STORIES EMERGED ABOUT PEOPLES WHOSE LIVES WERE TOUCHED BY THE NETWORK. AND SOMETIMES IT WAS ABOUT MOTHER AND SOMETIMES IT WAS ABOUT SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. SO, THE LEGACY IS THAT HER MINISTRY, THIS INSPIRATION LIVED ON AND WILL LIVE ON BEYOND MOTHER ANGELICA'S INVOLVEMENT. THINK THAT'S THE TRUE TEST >> Raymond: MATT SCALISI THANKS FOR BEING HERE AND THANKS FOR ALL YOU DID IN THE EARLY DAYS AND YOU CONTINUED TO DO THINGS. SHE SPOKE VERY FONDLY OF YOU FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. NOW, EWTN WAS FOUND AS A SPIRITUAL GROWTH NETWORK. THAT'S WHAT MOTHER SAID AT THE TIME. BUT THE CULTURE AT LARGE AND CURRENTS IN THE CHURCH MADE IT SOMETHING MUCH MORE. OUR TRIBUTE TO THE LIFE AND LEGACY OF MOTHER ANGELICA CONTINUING IN JUST A MOMENT. STAY RIGHT THERE. >> GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU EWTN VIEWERS AND THANK YOU, MOTHER ANGELICA, FOR HAVING A VISION, A SPRY LITTLE WOMAN WHO SAID, IT CAN BE DONE WHEN EVERYONE ELSE SAID IT COULDN'T BE DONE. A TOWER OF FAITH! >> MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T GIVE US SIX MONTHS. I MEAN IT! I WAS AT A CABLE CONVENTION, THE FIRST ONE I EVER WENT TO. AND I HEARD PEOPLE SAY, THEY WILL NEVER MAKE IT. AND ONE MAN SAID, OH, SIX MONTHS. HA HA! >> Raymond: BY EARLY 1980'S, MOST VATICAN TALK OF WOMEN'S ORDINATION, INCLUSIVE LANGUAGE WAS ALL THE RAGE. MOTHER ANGELICA WOULD HAVE NONE OF THIS. DESPITE HER UNORTHODOX APPROACH TO BUSINESS, NO BUDGETS, NO LONG-TERM PLAN, JUST A RADICAL DEPENDENCE ON PROVIDENCE THAT GOD WAS GOING TO PROVIDE. ANGELICA WAS QUITE ORTHODOX WHEN IT CAME TO HER FAITH. AND IN 1990'S, SHE BROADCAST MANY ENDANGERED DEVOTIONS, CHAPLET, ROSARY AND MASS WITH ALL THE ATTENTION TO REVERENCE THAT WAS NOT LOST ON THE GROWING VIEWERSHIP. AND WE'RE JOINED WITH FATHER GEORGE RUTLER. LONG TIME FRIEND OF MOTHER ANGELICA AND STAPLE HERE AT EWTN. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MOTHER'S LEGACY? WHAT'S THE VISION OR EXAMPLE THAT SHE PUT FORTH TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC HOW CATHOLICISM SHOULD LOOK, SOUND AND FEEL >> Father: WELL, HOW CAN WE REALLY TALK ABOUT A LEGACY WITHOUT JUST LOOKING AROUND US? I MEAN, FAMOUS ARCHITECT, SIR CHRISTOPHER RADKE, BURIED IN ST. PAUL'S CATHEDRAL IN LONDON, AND THE LATIN INSCRIPTION SAYS BASICALLY, IF YOU WANT A MONUMENT, LOOK AROUND YOU. SO, IF YOU WANT TO SEE A LEGACY, LOOK AROUND YOU! I CAN ATTEST THAT AMONGST HER GREAT LEGACY, NUMBER ONE, CONVERTS TO THE FAITH, AND NUMBER TWO, REVERTS. THAT'S THE NEW EXPRESSION. PEOPLE WHO HAVE RECOVERED THEIR FAITH. AND CONSECRATED VOCATIONS. I'M JUST ASTONISHED AT HOW MANY YOUNG MEN, YOUNG PRIESTS TELL ME THAT THEY FOUND THEIR PRIESTLY CALLING THROUGH EWTN. WOMEN AND MEN IN THE CONSECRATED RELIGIOUS LIFE. AND THIS IS INCALCUABLY IMPORTANT IN THE CHURCH. Raymond: WHAT DO YOU THINK, AT A TIME IN THE WORLD WHEN THE WORLD WAS INSISTING WOMEN HAD NO POWER IN THE CHURCH AND PERHAPS ORDINATION OF WOMEN WAS THE ANSWER? >> WELL, SHE PROVED IN THE CHURCH, THE ONLY POWER THAT MATTERS IS GRACE. THE ACTION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. THE PERIOD OF RIGHT AFTER THE COUNCIL, SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL, A VERY NEUROTIC TIME IN MANY WAYS. AND PEOPLE WERE LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT IDENTITIES. AND THEY IDENTIFIED, THEY CONFUSED GRACE WITH POLITICAL POWER. SHE HAD THE GREATEST POWER OF ALL. SHE WAS A MOTHER. IT WAS NO MORE IMPORTANT FIGURE IN THE WORLD THAN A MOTHER. EVERY ONE OF US HAS HAD A BIOLOGICAL MOTHER. SHE WAS A SPIRITUAL MOTHER IN THE SAME SENSE THAT PRIESTS ARE SPIRITUAL FATHERS. AND SHE REMINDED US OF THAT. I WAS THINKING OF THAT TOO WHEN I WAS READING SOME OF THE ANNOUNCEMENTS OF HER DEATH. ONE ANNOUNCEMENT SAID WE REGRET TO INFORM YOU OF THE PASSING OF MOTHER ANGELICA. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, NO REGRET! I MEAN, 92-YEARS-OLD. ALL SHE ACCOMPLISHED. SHE WAS FAITHFUL TO OUR LORD. SHE SUFFERED SO MUCH FAMILY IN SO MANY WAYS. AND SHE WAS RELIEVED OF THAT NOW. AND POPE FRANCIS WHEN HE HEARD OF HER DEATH, I UNDERSTAND SAID HE THOUGHT SHE WENT RIGHT TO HEAVEN! THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT. SO, THERE WAS NO REGRET. AND ALSO, I OBJECTED TO THE TERM "PASSING." YOU SEE HOW EASILY WE GET INFECTED BY THE LANGUAGE OF THE WORLD. THERE'S CERTAIN AGNOSTIC SECRETARIES, CHRISTIAN SCIENCE WHO SAY PEOPLE PASSED AWAY. WELL, WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. THE DEATH OF LOVED ONE. BUT IN THE LITURGY WE DON'T SAY WE PASSED. CHRIST SAYS CHRIST DIED. AND MOTHER WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE TO SAY, YES, WE DIE, WE DIE IN THE HOPE OF THE RESURRECTION. AS ST. PAUL TELLS US IN THESSALONIANS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE YOU BE AS THOSE WITHOUT HOPE. >> Raymond: THANK YOU, FATHER GEORGE RUTLER. MOTHER ANGELICA WAS AT HEART AND WAS TAKING ISSUE WITH THE TEACHING. IN 1993 THINGS CAME TO A HEAD FOR MOTHER ANGELICA. SHE PARTNERED WITH THE U.S. BISHOPS CONFERENCE TO BROADCAST WORLD YOUTH DAY FROM DENVER. BUT WHEN A WOMAN, A MIME, ASSUMED THE RULE OF JESUS IN THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS, MOTHER HAD HAD ENOUGH. THIS MOMENT WOULD CHANGE HER LIFE AND THE LIFE OF HER NETWORK FOREVER. >> THAT'S JUST BLASPHEMOUS! THAT YOU DARE TRY TO PORTRAY JESUS AS A WOMAN. YOU KNOW, AS CATHOLICS, WE'VE BEEN TERRIBLY QUIET ALL OF THESE YEARS. [SIGH]. AFTER VATICAN COUNCIL, BEAUTIFUL DOCUMENTS INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. THEY ARE SO BEAUTIFUL WHEN YOU READ THE DOCUMENTS. IT'S LIKE READING SCRIPTURE. BUT THEY WERE MISREPRESENTED AND MISS PORTRAYED AND MISINTERPRETED ALL THESE YEARS AND EVERY EXCUSE. LIKE THIS MIME HAD BEEN BLAMED ON THE VATICAN DOCUMENTS. I'M TIRED. I'M TIRED OF BEING PUSHED IN CORNERS. I'M TIRED OF YOUR INCLUSIVE LANGUAGE THAT REFUSES TO ADMIT THE SON OF GOD IS A MAN! I'M TIRED OF YOUR TRICKS. I'M TIRED OF YOUR DECEIT. I'M TIRED OF YOU CONSTANTLY MAKING A CRACK. AND THE FIRST THING YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HOLE AND ALL OF US FALL INTO IT. NO. NO. THIS WAS DELIBERATE. YOU MADE A STATEMENT. THAT WAS NOT ACCIDENTAL. AND THIS IS JUST AS MUCH A LIE AS THE LIES WE GOT LAST NIGHT! I AM SO TIRED OF YOU LIBERAL CHURCH IN AMERICA. YOU SEE THIS CAR. WE HAD THIS LITTLE MODERN CAR SO WE WOULD APPEAL TO THIS MODERN WORLD. THIS PAGAN SOCIETY! AM I BETTER? NO. AM I BITTER? NO. AM I BEING REALISTIC. WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT. AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK VERY ROMAN BECAUSE I'M MAKING A STATEMENT. YOU HAVE HIDDEN YOUR AGENDA WITH A MIME. MY AGENDA IS NOT HIDDEN. BUT I'VE YET TO HEAR ANYONE CONTRADICT YOU OR CROSS YOU OR SAY ANYTHING TO DISTRESS YOU. WELL I'M SAYING IT. I'M SAYING IT. I SAY IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS THE RIGHT BEFORE GOD TO BE CATHOLIC. AND I RESENT, I RESENT YOU PUSHING YOUR WAYS AND YOUR ANTI-CATHOLIC UNGODLY WAYS UPON THE MASSES OF THIS COUNTRY! LIVE YOUR LIFE. LIVE YOUR FALSEHOOD. LIVE YOUR LIES. LEAVE US ALONE. DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. YOU HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE FROM GOD HIMSELF. BUT DON'T POUR YOUR POISON, YOUR VENOM ON ALL THE CHURCH. >> Raymond: COMING OUT OF WORLD YOUTH DAY, MOTHER ANGELICA WOULD REVERT TO THE TRADITIONAL HABIT OF HER YOUTH AND DOUBLE DOWN ON HER BRAND OF VIBRANT ORTHODOXY. THE ACTIVIST SPIRIT RE-EMERGED IN ANGELICA. AND SHE LOBBIED AGAINST THE FILM OF LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST SEEING IT AS BLASPHEMOUS. AND FOUGHT THE LITURGICAL CHANGES. AND NOW, JOINING US FOR THE ACTIVIST SPIRIT OF MOTHER ANGELICA, BILL DONAHUE IS HERE. YOUR THOUGHTS ON MOTHER THE ACTIVIST. HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC LEAGUE. >> RIGHT. THAT WAS IN 1993 WHEN I TOOK OVER THE CATHOLIC LEAGUE. AND I'M LOOK FOR ROLE MODELS. I HAD CARDINAL JOHN O'CONNOR, ARCHBISHOP IN NEW YORK. HE WAS A GREAT INSPIRATION AND MODEL FOR ME. AND SHE WAS THE OTHER ONE. BOTH OF THEM STOOD FOR, NOT ONLY FOR LIFE BUT THEY ARE VIGOROUS IN THE DEFENSE OF THE FAITH. IN THE CASE OF MOTHER ANGELICA, I WAS ALSO, SO MUCH APPRECIATIVE OF HER GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR AS WELL AS HER COURAGE. I MEAN, SHE STRUGGLED PHYSICALLY. SHE STRUGGLED EMOTIONALLY. BUT HER PERSEVERANCE AND SHE UNDERSTOOD IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HAVING THE WOMAN AS THE STAND-IN FOR JESUS. THERE'S EVEN PEOPLE TODAY THAT SAY WHAT'S SO WRONG WITH THAT. THEY NEED TO GO BACK AND DIAL IT BACK TO WHAT SHE SAID IN 1993. IF THEY CHOSE A WOMAN TO REPRESENT MARTIN LUTHER KING HOW WELL DOES THAT SIT WITH THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY? ALL RIGHT. SHE UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS GOING ON. PEOPLE PLAYING FAST AND LOOSE WITH OUR THEOLOGY. AND SHE HAD THE GUTS TO STAND UP TO AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE ON THAT SUBJECT. LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST. THAT AS WELL. SHE KNEW THE POP CULTURE DOES FORM PEOPLES' MINDS, SENTIMENTS, IDEAS, AND IF THEY GET AWAY WITH THAT WITH IMPUNITY, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO GET MORE OF IT. SHE WAS ALWAYS TOUGH. BUT SHE WAS NEVER MEAN. SHE WAS A GREAT, HOLY WOMAN. SHE TOWERS OVER ALL OF US CATHOLICS HERE TODAY. AND I THINK THAT HER LEGACY IS SECURE. >> Raymond: HOW LONG REACHING DO YOU THINK HER INFLUENCE OR DO YOU CONSIDER HER INFLUENCE, BILL, AND THAT LEGACY? >> OH, I THINK IT'S GOING TO GO ON FOR DECADES. FOREVER ONE THING, ARCHBISHOP FULTON SHEEN WAS THE FIRST ONE TO USE, ANY RELIGION, ANY CLERK TO USE THE TELEVISION MEDIA TO GET FOR THE THE MESSAGE. BUT SHE WENT BEYOND THAT. SHE BUILT AN EMPIRE, A WORLD-WIDE MEDIA. AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO GO FORWARD WITHOUT PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT MOTHER ANGELICA. SHE'S THE ORIGIN AND SHE'S THE ROOT. I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY WHO IS WATCHING WOULD INSIST THAT ALL OF THE PROGRAMMING, KEEP IN MIND THAT SHE'S THE ONE WHO SET THE PARAMETERS. SHE WAS NOT SUFFICIENTLY, NOT JUST SUFFICIENT TO SAY, LISTEN. WHEN WE ARE BEING ATTACKED BY THOSE IN THE MEDIA, THE ENTERTAINMENT WORLD, ARTISTIC WORLD, IN GOVERNMENT, THAT WE SHOULD PRAY FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING AGAINST US. THAT'S A VERY CATHOLIC THING TO DO. BUT THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT. OKAY? YOU NEED SOMETHING ELSE. YOU NEED TO FIGHT BACK. OFTEN, I'VE USED THE EXAMPLE OF OUR JEWISH BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO DON'T TAKE IT AS MUCH AS WE DO WHICH IS PRECISELY WHY THEY DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH THROWN AT THEM. YOU NEED THAT FIGHTING SPIRIT THAT MOTHER ANGELICA HAD. WHERE ARE ALL THOSE PEOPLE ON THE LEFT WITHIN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND OUTSIDE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH? WHY DON'T THEY HAIL HER AS A GREAT WOMAN? SHE STOOD UP AGAINST A LOT OF BISHOPS FOR THAT MATTER. SHE WAS A GREAT ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN. AND SHE WAS GOING TO GO OUT THERE. SHE WAS NOT A FEMINIST IN THE SENSE OF PRO CHOICE OBVIOUSLY. SHE WAS AGAINST ABORTION AND SHE WAS A ROLE MODEL FOR A WOMAN, I DON'T CARE WHAT IDEOLOGICAL STRIPE YOU COME FROM, SHE DOESN'T GET ENOUGH CREDIT FOR THAT. IT TOOK COMMON WILL MAGAZINE, THREE DAYS BEFORE THEY EVEN RECOGNIZED HER ACHIEVEMENTS WHICH THEY RAN A REVIEW OF YOUR BOOK A LONG TIME AGO. THAT TELLS A LOT. SHE TOOK ON THE LEFT, ON THE RIGHT, AND AWFUL THEM, WHATEVER WAS NECESSARY AND SHE WON! >> Raymond: I REMEMBER TRAVELING WITH MOTHER IN LATE 1990'S, WE WERE TRAVELING WE WERE IN THE AIRPOT, AND YOU WERE ON CNN IN THE AIRPORT. SHE HEARD YOU AND LIKED WHAT YOU SAID. SHE SAID, IS HE MARRIED? WE NEED BISHOPS LIKE THAT. SHE WAS WATCHING YOU BEING INTERVIEWED. >> SHE WAS MY CATALYST AND MY INSPIRATION. NOT ONLY WAS SHE A HOLY WOMAN, SHE COULD TAKE PEOPLE TO THE MAT AND RIGHTFULLY SO. AND PEOPLE ON OUR SIDE DIDN'T LIKE HER, THEY TRIED TO DISCIPLINE HER, WHAT A BUNCH OF PHONIES. >> Raymond: THANKS, BILL. DESPITE THE MOTHER'S ACTIVISM THROUGHOUT THE 1990'S, SHE STILL KNEW HOW TO HAVE A GOOD TIME. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> WHY DON'T YOU AIR THESE PEOPLE. AND I SAID, NO, I WON'T. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY ARE CATHOLIC. HE SAID, BY WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT? AND I SAID, I OWN THE NETWORK. [LAUGHTER] AND HE SAID, WELL, YOU WON'T ALWAYS BE THERE. AND I SAID, I'LL BLOW THE DAMN THING UP BEFORE YOU GET YOUR HANDS ON IT. [LAUGHTER] >> Raymond: AND THEY CAUGHT YOU ON A GOOD DAY? YEAH, IT WAS A GOOD DAY. ALL RIGHT. 1996 TRIP TO BOGOTA PROVED DECISIVE FOR MOTHER. THERE, SHE ENCOUNTERED A STATUE OF THE CHILD JESUS, DIVINO NINO. SHE BELIEVED THE STATUE CALLED HER TO BUILD A TEMPLE IN HIS HONOR AND SHE, QUOTE, WOULD HELP THOSE WHO HELP YOU. MOTHER THE BUILDER HAD A NEW PROJECT. >> I JUST WANT THE CHAPEL TO OVERWHELM EVERYTHING. SHOULD THEY THINK IT'S THE REALITY OF GOD'S PRESENCE, GOD'S HOUSE. AND THIS IS WHERE HE DWELLS. COME. COME. >> YOU KNOW IT'S FOOLISH TO THINK THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DIE, POP, HEY, HALF THE PEOPLE DON'T MAKE IT THERE. >> Raymond: WELCOME BACK TO OUR WORLD OVER TRIBUTE TO THE LIFE AND LEGACY OF MOTHER ANGELICA. I'M RAYMOND ARROYO. IN THE MID 1990'S, MOTHER ANGELICA SINGLE-HANDEDLY CREATED CATHOLIC RADIO IN THE UNITED STATES. SHE MADE THE SHORT WAVE RADIO AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY WHO WOULD BUY A STATION IN THE U.S. AND MANY DID. MANY EXPANDED TO WORK IN HOMES, CARS, AND OTHER PLACES INACCESSIBLE IN TELEVISION. TODAY, THERE'S MORE THAN 300 EWTN RADIO AFFILIATES NATIONWIDE. IN NOVEMBER THE 1997 MOTHER CONTINUED TO ADVOCATE FOR ORTHODOXY. FOR ANGELICA, THE SPOUSE SHE LIVED FOR AND LOVED, JESUS IN THE BLESSED SACRAMENT, WAS NOT A CONCEPT OR A THEOLOGICAL IDEA TO BE CONSIDERED BUT A PERSON TO BE ADORED AND DEFENDED. THIS HELPS TO EXPLAIN HER INDIGNATION WHEN SHE READ A PASTORAL LETTER ON THE EUCHARIST BY CARDINAL ROGER MAHONEY OF LOS ANGELES. SHE FOUND THE CONTENT OF THE LETTER TO BE CONFUSING AND VEXING. SHE CASUALLY REFERENCED THE LETTER AT THE END OF HER LIVE SHOW SITTING RIGHT HERE ONE NIGHT AND ACCIDENTALLY CROSSED A CANONICAL LINE. >> WHEN THE AVERAGE LAY PERSON, LONG FORGETS WHATEVER CATECHISM LEARNED ARE TOLD THERE'S NO NEED FOR CONFESSION, NO NEED FOR BAPTISM. THERE'S NOT REALLY A BODY, BLOOD, SOUL AND DIVINITY. IN FACT THE CARDINAL OF CALIFORNIA IS TEACHING THAT IT'S BREAD AND WINE BEFORE THE EUCHARIST AND AFTER THE EUCHARIST. I'M AFRAID MY OBEDIENCE IN THAT DIOCESE WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY ZERO! AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THAT DIOCESE IS ZERO. >> Raymond: CARDINAL MAHONEY TOOK OFFENSE AND DEMANDED THAT MOTHER APOLOGIZE AND CLARIFY HER STATEMENT. MOTHER GAVE IT TO HIM. >> OKAY. I DO WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE CARDINAL FOR MY REMARK WHICH I'M SURE SEEMED EXCESSIVE. BUT YET, HERE'S MY STATEMENT FOR CLARIFICATION. HE ASKED ME FOR IT. THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS EVENING. THIS IS MY OPINION AND THIS IS HOW I SAW IT WHEN I READ IT. WHAT CAME THROUGH TO ME WAS THE PRINCIPAL FOCUS IN THIS LETTER OF ASSEMBLY, THE CONCENTRATION ON THE ASSEMBLY, ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH. RATHER THAN THE EUCHARIST. SO, I FELT THE LETTER WAS UNCLEAR TO WHAT THE CHURCH TEACHES ABOUT THE REAL PRESENCE. BODY, BLOOD, SOUL, AND DIVINITY OF JESUS >> Raymond: AND ONE POINT SHE RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT CARDINAL MAHONEY'S ASSERTION THAT JESUS' PRESENCE WAS IN THE SIMPLE GIFTS OF BREAD AND WINE. WATCH THIS. >> AND THE SIMPLE POINT HERE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS. YOU SEE. DOES THAT MEAN CHRIST IS PRESENT BEFORE THE CONSECRATION, IS THAT WHAT IT MEANS? IN THE BREAD AND WINE? OR DOES IT MEAN THAT HE'S PRESENT AFTER THE CONSECRATION? WELL, IF HE'S PRESENT AFTER THE -- AFTER, IN WHAT WAY? DID HE JUST HOP INTO THE BREAD AND WINE? IT'S STILL BREAD AND WINE? OR HAS HE BECOME HIS BODY AND BLOOD? WELL, IF IT WAS STILL BREAD AND WINE, WHY WOULD I ADORE HIM, AND WHY WOULD I KNEEL AND PROSTRATE MYSELF TO BREAD AND WINE? >> Raymond: HOW SEISMIC WAS MOTHER ANGELICA'S CRITIQUE OF CARDINAL MAHONEY'S PASTORAL ON THE EUCHARIST. IN IT, HE SAID THAT THE PRESENCE OF JESUS WAS IN THE SIMPLE GIFTS OF BREAD AND WINE. >> WELL. THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS SPEAKING THROUGH HER. WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. OUR LORD GAVE US BISHOPS. BUT THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH, THE BISHOPS HAVE TESTED MANY OF THE SAINTS BY, H-MM, BEING OBSTACLES TO THEIR WITNESS. I DO THINK THAT ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HER GRACIOUS DEATH ON EASTER PRACTICALLY, THE SAME HOUR I THINK WHEN THE TWO MEN WERE ON THE EMMAUS ROAD AND SAW OUR LORD. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BENEFITS, IT MAY HUMBLE CLERICS, ESPECIALLY PRELATES TO RECOGNIZE THAT IN SOME WAY, FOR THE BEST OF INTENTIONS PERHAPS, THEY HAVE BEEN OBSTACLES. WHEN MOTHER STARTED, AND SHE WAS ALMOST 60. SHE WAS 58 WHEN SHE STARTED EWTN. A LOT OF BISHOPS TRIED TO BLOCK BLOCK THAT. THE BISHOPS CONFERENCE TRIED TO SET UP AN ALTERNATIVE NETWORK WHICH WAS A FLOP. AND I'M ESTIMATING THAT THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT, ABOUT $40 MILLION, IN THE INITIAL GRANT. NOT COUNTING MONEY RIGHT HERE IN NEW YORK FOR SOME KIND OF TV TIME. BUT IF THAT HAD SIMPLY BEEN INVESTED, WE WOULD HAVE AT LEAST A BILLION DOLLARS FOR THE GOOD WORKS FOR THE CHURCH. SO, MOTHER NEVER WANTED TO GET EVEN WITH PEOPLE. SHE KNEW THAT IF YOU GOT EVEN, YOU NEVER GOT AHEAD. NOW, SHE'S AHEAD OF ALL OF US. AND I HOPE THAT THROUGH HER INTERCESSIONS A LOT OF BISHOPS WHO ARE STILL ALIVE, MANY HAVE DIED. MANY OF THOSE WHO WERE OBSTACLES TO HER HAVE DIED. BUT SOME ARE STILL ALIVE. AND SOME ARE IN RETIREMENT IN MORAL DISGRACE. AND THAT THROUGH HER, THROUGH HER INTERCESSION, EXAMINE THEIR CONSCIENCE AND GIVE THANKS TO GOD. IN A NEGATIVE WAY, THEY HELPED MOTHER REFINE HER VIRTUES. WITHOUT THAT SAND PAPER, SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN SO POLISHED, H-MM, IN THE LIFE OF VIRTUE. AND MAYBE THOSE WHO GAVE HER THE HARDEST TIMES WILL MEET HER IN HEAVEN WHEN ALL WILL SEE GOD FACE TO FACE WITHOUT THE NECESSITY OF TELEVISION. >> Raymond: CARDINAL MAHONEY PURSUED MOTHER AND MEANT TO HAVE HER PAY A PRICE FOR HER CONTINUED CRITIQUE OF THE PASTORAL LETTER. HE DEMANDED A VATICAN INVESTIGATION OF HER LETTER AND URGED OTHER CLERGY TO HAVE MOTHER ANGELICA PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO HIM. AND SHE REFUSED STANDING ON PRINCIPAL. AND DURING THAT TENSE TIME A WOMAN CAME HERE TO PRAY FOR MOTHER ANGELICA FOLLOWING THE LIVE SHOW. AND FOLLOWING THE PRAYER SESSION, MOTHER'S LEGS WERE HEALED. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN DECADES. AND MOTHER ANGELICA COULD WALK AND DANCE WITHOUT CRUTCHES OR BRACES. >> YOU WANT TO DANCE? LET'S DANCE! >> YEAH. YEAH. >> Raymond: SHE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT HEALING WAS FOR THE PEOPLE SHE WOULD SAY. IT WAS A WAY TO BUILD UP THEIR FAITH, MOTHER BELIEVED. IT WAS ALSO A NEEDED SHOT IN THE ARM DURING A VERY DARK AND TRYING PERIOD IN MOTHER'S LIFE. AND IN THE YEAR 2000, TO PROTECT HER NETWORK AND AT THE URGING OF HER CLOSEST ADVISORS, SHE RESIGNED FROM THE LEADERSHIP OF THE EWTN. THEY WERE THINKING THAT BECAUSE SHE WAS A RELIGIOUS THEY WOULD EXERT CONTROL OVERT NETWORK AND HER SISTERS. SO, WHILE MOTHER ANGELICA WAS DYNAMIC, THE PUBLIC SPAT WITH MAHONEY, THE VATICAN INVESTIGATION, HER AGE, ALL OF THESE BROUGHT ON A MINISTROKE THAT CAUSED MOTHER'S FACE TO SAG AND THE NECESSITY OF WEARING OF A PATCH. AT 78, MOTHER ANGELICA WASN'T GOING TO LET A PATCH SLOW HER DOWN. NOT WHEN THERE WERE PEOPLE IN NEED OF HER HOME SPUN, STREET-SMART BRAND OF HOPE. >> AND YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOGETHER FOR AN HOUR OR SO TOGETHER. WE MADE THE CHRISTMAS SHOW, RIGHT. I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT. >> IT WAS GREAT. WE HAD A GREAT TIME. >> YES, IT WAS GREAT. >> ALL KINDS OF TREATS. >> AND I WAS FLOORED WITH YOUR A. KNOWLEDGE. [LAUGHTER] >> WAIT A MINUTE. WHAT'S THIS LITTLE, WHAT'S THAT? >> WELL, I WANTED SOMETHING IN A LITTLE WHILE AND I THOUGHT I WOULD BUMP IT UP A LITTLE BIT >> Raymond: SEE WHAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH. AND THEN ON CHRISTMAS EVE 2001, IN HER CHAPEL WHERE SHE WENT TO WELCOME HER BELOVED, MOTHER ANGELICA WAS FELLED BY A DEBILITATING STROKE IT CAUSE HER SPEECH TO STOP AND NEARLY KILLED HER. AND OVERT YEARS, SHE WAS LIVING IN PAIN, LIVING OUT IN UNEXPECTED WAYS, LARGELY IN SILENCE. AND SHE WAS THE CONTEMPLATIVE THAT SHE VOWED IN 1943. >> WELL, SHE SUFFERED ALL OF HER LIFE. AND SHE IS JUST SO RESIGNED TO GOD'S WILL. AND YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HAVE TO LIVE WITH HER TO KNOW HOW MUCH SHE MEANT TO US. >> WHEN THE LORD ASKED HER SOMETHING, SHE ALWAYS SAY YES. SO, SHE IS UNITED, HER SUFFERING TO HIS. AND UNITED HER WILL TO HIS >> Raymond: ASIDE FROM A FEW PUBLIC APPEARANCES INCLUDING THE RELEASE OF THE BIOGRAPHY, MOTHER WAS CONFINED TO HER CELL, BED RIDDEN. EASTER SUNDAY, MARCH 27, MOTHER ANGELICA ESCAPED TO HER REWARD AND SHE LEFT AN INCREDIBLE AND RICH LEGACY. HER NUNS, BROTHERS, SHRINE, AND THE COUNTLESS SOULS SHE TOUCHED AND CONTINUES TO TOUCH TODAY. THERE'S MUCH MORE TO SAY ABOUT MOTHER ANGELICA'S HIDDEN YEARS, THE 15 LONG YEARS OF SILENCE. AND I JUST COMPLETED A SEQUEL TO THE BIOGRAPHY WHICH WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU SOON. CALLED MOTHER ANGELICA, HER GRAND SILENCE. BUT FOR NOW, I'M SO THANKFUL TO HAVE KNOWN HER, TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TELL HER FULL STORY AND TO HAVE BEEN WITNESS TO THE LIFE-CHANGING EFFECTS OF THIS INSPIRED WOMAN OF FAITH. HER WHOLE LIFE WAS TRULY A TESTAMENT TO DIVINE PROVIDENCE. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU IN NASHVILLE, I'LL BE IN BRENTWOOD APRIL 4, 6:00 P.M. AT THE BARNES AND NOBLE TALKING ABOUT MOTHER ANGELICA AND WILL WILDER. I HOPE YOU COME JOIN US FOR WHAT I HOPE IS A FUN AND INSPIRING NIGHT! THE DETAILS ARE AT RAYMOND ARROYO.COM. AND UNTIL NEXT WEEK, THANKS FOR JOINING US. ON BEHALF OF THE EWTN CREW AND STAFF, THANKS FOR JOINING US AND MAY DEAR MOTHER ANGELICA REST IN THE ARMS OF THE LORD. I LOVE YOU, MAMMA! [APPLAUSE] >> WHAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS THAT THIS LADY IS NOT ONLY A GREAT SOMETHING, SHE'S THE FIRST WOMEN IN TELEVISION WHICH PEOPLE FORGET THAT SHE CREATED A NOT FOR PROFIT RELIGIOUS NETWORK. SHE'S THE FIRST WOMEN TO RECEIVE FCC LICENSE. AND SHE HAS A THRIVING ORDER. AND I COULD BE HERE FOREVER GOING ON AND ON. [APPLAUSE] MANY, MANY TIMES DURING THE PAST YEAR, MOTHER HAS TAUNTED ME LIKE POPE JULIUS AFTER MICHAELANGELO. WHEN'S THIS BOOK GOING TO BE DONE! IS THIS GOING TO BE FUNNY. GET THIS THING DONE. WELL, MOTHER, IT'S FINALLY DONE! [APPLAUSE]
