I Stand by What I Said. Samsung G9 Non-Sponsored Review

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  • UFO test shows "coronas on the back side of the ship as well as a color inversion of yellow to blue caused by overshoot" at Fastest overdrive setting
    • Can be mitigated slightly with lower overdrive settings
    • Doesn't think it negates the greatness of the monitor
  • DSC allows full 10-bit color at max res. 240 Hz
    • DSC only supported on Nvidia 2XXX and AMD 5XXX cards.
    • Without DSC stuck at 8-bit 120 Hz
  • Mentions flicker with HDR (no mention of Freesync/G-Sync)
    • Thinks this might be the cause of the "recall"
    • More obvious on desktop, but did notice in CS:GO
  • 73.15% coverage of Rec. 2020
  • "Quite uniform"
  • Ten dimming zones
πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 66 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Sporadicus7 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 28 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

The effort put in this video... I wouldn't call it review. LTT makes good video ads, but I wouldn't listen to their subjective opinions on the products that are often based only on personal preference and/or misconception.

They basically showed the monitor and said what resolution it runs. And there is flicker, but we have no idea what we are doing so let's cut to sponsor.

They showed response time values found on internet from different product... Didn't explore local dimming performace.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 25 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/kasper93 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 29 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

alright 8 minute video claiming to be a "review", but doesn't do ANY actual response time testing.

showing an ufo test and talking about overshoot are not the same as proper response time testing.

i have no idea after watching this video, if that monitor can even DO 240hz.

why does a channel with over 10 subscribers and tons of views and a very talented technical team obviously still "reviews" without response time testing?

they show testing of another monitor done by TFT central, why can't they do basic standardized response time and overshoot and input lag testing?

is that so hard? it takes 2 graphs! as we can see in hardware unboxed reviews and it is a REQUIREMENT for deciding whether or not one buys a new monitor.

having those 2 charts does NOT change the general feel of a video, as a LTT video is of course different to a hardware unboxed review, but my god those 2 charts are the minimum.

upsides of this video: mentioning of HDR flicker issue, mention of DSC compression and DSC requirements. (i DON'T want DSC)

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 25 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/firefox57endofaddons πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 28 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

With this VA being so good is there a reason to get IPS anymore?

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 5 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/nickolasstone πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 28 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

you can edit the freesync range with CRU on the 27 inch g7 from 40-240 hz

but you need to change the V rate and the H rate togheter or your nvidia driver will crash

also the Extentsion Block

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after that you will have a freesync range of 40-240 hz and a smooth flicker free nvidia pendelum test

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 2 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Kusel πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 29 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

I hope to see him put up the G7 video because I am curious if he also gets the flickering issue with the 32" as well.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 1 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/PralinePrevious πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 28 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies

10 Dimming zones still blows my mind, I still can't help but think that manufacturers think gamers aren't anywhere near as smart as moviephiles in the home theater/TV world.
Really says something.

Not many other critiques I can offer apart from the fact that some manufacturers need to try a different style. I can't tell you how many new monitors still look a little dated because they won't move away from the same old style they've always stuck with.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 1 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/[deleted] πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 29 2020 πŸ—«︎ replies
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- My sponsored unboxing of the Samsung Odyssey G9 over on ShortCircuit, got more views than lots of LTT videos. And actually, why not? It's 49 inches of the highest resolution this form factor comes in. It's 240 freaking Hertz, and it's DisplayHDR 1000 certified. I mean on paper, this is the new God of gaming monitors. If it can overcome the shortfalls of it's VA panel lineage. And we're gonna find out today in our unsponsored full review, which isn't to say we don't have a sponsor at all, it's just not Samsung. ORIGIN PC has got powerful, high end desktops and laptops with a multitude of options, including up to two terabytes of fast storage with Samsung's 870 QVO SSDs. Check them out today at the link in the video description. (upbeat music) The big concern with VA panels, like in the G9, has to do with pixel response times. That's how long it takes a pixel to go from one value to another value. Like the blue pixels of my desktop background here, turning white as I move a window across them. Gaming monitors, including our G9 here, often advertise a greater gray switching time of about one millisecond. But these are marketing numbers that never tell the whole story, in part, because they are averages. In the real world, pixel response times vary depending on the value the pixel is starting at, and the value it's driving toward. Looking at measurements from the first 240 Hertz VA monitor ever, the Samsung C27RG50, we can see that the slowest transitions occur when going from the lowest values. So, the deep blacks that VA panels are known for up through other dark and medium grays. Now, there is a way to get faster response times, just send more voltage to the pixels, but as with most good things, you can have too much. Pixel over drive comes with a trade off where you can overshoot the target value introducing Inverse Ghosting Coronas, that I personally think look way worse than regular smearing. So the question for the G9, and I guess also the G7 by extension, because it's similar but just in a 16 by nine form factor, is whether Samsung has been able to find that overdrive Goldilocks zone. To find out, we set up a pursuit camera to photograph response time artifacts without capturing the human brain imposed motion blur that you see when looking at moving objects on a screen. This is at 240 Hertz with Adaptive-Sync on. The blacks are smeared more when the ship is against a dark background, but overall there's very little smearing compared to the pursuit camera pics that TFT Central took on their review of the C27RG50. Instead, we see Coronas on the backside of the ship as well as a color inversion of yellow to blue caused by overshoot. And this is what you're gonna get if you plan on gaming with G-Sync, or FreeSync, or Adaptive-Sync, or variable refresh rate turned on. However, with variable refresh rate off, you can actually adjust the overdrive setting through three steps, with standard introducing fewer Coronas, though, you still can notice them in games. If it bothers you too much, you could in theory, turn the refresh rate down to 120 or even 60 Hertz at the expense of clarity, but in our testing, it really didn't seem to help much. Now, as someone who isn't terribly bothered by VA black smearing in general, and in light of these test results, I stand by what I said in that sponsored video. This monitor delivers an absolutely incredible high refresh rate, immersive gaming experience. But, don't click away yet because there are some things that you should know about it. You may recall that our previous God of monitors, the Asus PG27UQ, was capable of 4K HDR gaming at 144 Hertz, but only with 422 Chromo Subsampling, which introduces color fringing on fine details and can make text harder to read. That was because of the bandwidth limitations of display port 1.4. But this monitor also uses display port 1.4, and it's refreshing at an eye peeling 240 times per second. Yet you get full RGB, 10 bit color. How is this even possible? Is it because 5120 by 1440 is fewer pixels than 4k? Well, that does help, but the main reason is actually that this monitor's display port 1.4 port supports a feature called DSC. DSC, or Display Stream Compression is only supported on 20-series and video cards and AMD cards from 2019 onward. Without it you're actually stuck with eight bit color at 120 Hertz, and ours wouldn't even overclock to 144. By the way, hooking up two cables, that won't help. With DSC, though, you can unlock the Odyssey's full potential, and to our eye, even though it is being compressed, there's no visual fidelity loss, just way more efficient use of the available bandwidth. Speaking of visuals, they're fantastic. lttstore.com, by the way. The G9 uses a quantum dot enhancement film to achieve near professional levels of color accuracy and has 73% coverage of the rec 2020 color gamut. The screen is also quite uniform. And of course, the 1,000 nit peak brightness makes your HDR movies and games really pop. One thing I will say is that if you're watching a movie, I would recommend doing that alone because she ain't built for great viewing angles. She is built for immersion though with apparently the world's first 1,000R curve, which is tighter than anything we've seen before. 1,000R is said to be similar to the curvature of the human eye, increasing the proportion of the screen that you can see without strain, and decreasing fatigue. And there are actually some studies that seem to back this up. I do have one fairly big problem with this monitor though, the noticeable flickering when HDR is on. Now, it's more obvious on the desktop than when you're actually watching or playing content. But I was able to tell while playing CS:GO, and I don't know if this is related, but there was some talk of this monitor being recalled, though now Korea tells us that they're just doing additional testing, not recalling it. So, whatever's going on, I hope that it's related to the flicker because somebody's got to address it. Leaving only then the final question, should you buy this monitor? It's definitely not the highest performance 240 Hertz gaming display on the market, but what it is, is one of the most complete packages out there. Sure, it only has 10 local dimming zones, which sometimes looks bad, even compared to our previous God of gaming monitors, which is a couple of years old now. And the overdrive Coronas are definitely going to annoy certain people, but at $1,800, which is a lot of money, it's still $200 cheaper than our previous God of monitors while being great for both gaming and productivity, something we didn't really address much in this video. So that's an extra benefit. It's not cheap, but I think these are going to be very popular indeed, especially if Samsung can fix that HDR flickering issue. What's in your online security toolkit? Adding a VPN lets you mask your IP and encrypt traffic to and from your devices, and Private Internet Access has reliable service with thousands of servers in dozens of countries. They offer no bandwidth caps, configurable encryption with a kill switch to keep you in control of your connection. And when combined with private browsing, PIA can make websites think you're in a different country. Try it out risk-free with their 30 day money back guarantee at the link below. 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Channel: Linus Tech Tips
Views: 2,872,687
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Keywords: samsung, g9, odyssey, g7, 49, 32:9, LC49G95TSSNXZA, LC49G95T, 240hz, high refresh rate, va, 1000r, curved, gaming, monitor, display, review, unboxing
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Length: 8min 12sec (492 seconds)
Published: Tue Jul 28 2020
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