I Have MORE to Say About Steam Deck - WAN Show October 8, 2021

this anxiety all the things i didn't do welcome ladies and gentlemen to the wedge to the lanchow we've got a fantastic show for you guys today we are back in the studio back bringing you the latest in tech and boy do i ever have some stuff to talk to you guys about i have tried the oled switch now oh and i'm ready to talk about my experiences i did not get to host the short circuit because i was busy doing other stuff today and it sucks but i did manage to go crash anthony's party and try it out so i'm going to talk about that that's cool also i ended up entering a feud with teamviewer um over the this last week because i've kind of had to do a little bit more remote desktop type stuff i'm i'm reformatting my personal rig as you guys know maybe we'll give you some updates on the uh linux gaming challenge we don't want any spoilers obviously but we are going to be talking about that what else we got today luke uh i'm going to scroll down twitch has leaked just like the the whole thing and luke in particular i mean you might have noticed he works on a um a video streaming service so i'm sure he has a an interest in the contents of the twitch leak also our headline topic i didn't say it so you better say it it's team deck oh yeah uh i thought you talked about that earlier but i guess valve dangles steam deck internals in front of all of us they show us all the insides how to remove some of it and they announced some very cool things for right to repair and i was getting called out on our title for the video today i have more to say about steam deck this is in the pre-show do you really have more to say lines no but i am not the only host of the wan show hey okay luke this is a new leaf okay new set new attitude new luke luke first show i'm not even going to do it i'm not even going to talk for the rest of the show that's you go ahead that's rough you go ahead well we run the intro you can do that without talking [Music] he looks like he's gonna explode you guys [Music] all right i'm talking again oh okay let me see if i can figure out jake jake showed me how this is supposed to work i think i thought they were supposed to be up there by default uh no i don't think hey hey there we go the show is brought to you by honey as well as seasonic as well as squash bees now i toggle those back okay this is really this is really not that great that's fine let's go back to the white all right let's jump right into our headline topic today valve dangles steam deck internals in front of users says no touchy this was prepared by anthony young sort of it's a little complicated so luke did you watch valve's video yeah all right what are your thoughts i had the same thought you had part way through watching through the the actual just video before i watched you guys watch the video you watched both i did so you watched an actual video then you watched someone else react to that i didn't know you guys were gonna react to it how does it feel to be gen z all of a sudden just well i watched you guys react to it because i was looking for a float plane showed up yes so i watched it at like one and a half speed or something right okay but anyways i watched the original video um and it was good i'm very happy they made it the other option was oh no there's two other options as you kind of talked about so i'm happy they made it they picked like the middle option not making it would have been worse yeah but i yeah i think they should have worked with you guys ah yeah like for a lot of the same reasons like i'm watching we have the same reactions like he the okay we're going to unplug the battery and then the battery's randomly plugged back in we're going to show like the the the thumb sticks out and then thumbsticks are going to be back in randomly it's just like ah like the cutting was a little weird but again i really don't want to hammer on them too much for it because at least they made it at all now here's something though i ended up getting called out in the comments under that video i think i had a couple of people tweet at me saying linus you didn't even understand okay it was like satirical it's like the portal sense of humor and i'm sitting here going no way no i don't think so and again i mean it wasn't a horrible video no um it just could have been better yeah uh and like to be clear they did obviously have a sense of humor about it this is funny we actually missed this in our reaction video because we thought it was over but at the very end of the video they say something along the lines of and if you've been following all of these instructions you won't have done any of that stuff and then and then they close up the video so absolutely they had a sense of humor about it but i guarantee you that it was not intentional for them to be working on the machine with the battery plugged in yeah after they specifically said unplug the battery in order to work on the machine because that is actually very important it seemed like they they shot everything yeah and then voice over it and it really didn't line up all that well yeah so they had to like cut it kind of oddly yes i thought the presenter was like actually pretty good but but anyways it was uh it was an exciting video um the the him specifically calling out and i i heard it as well he only really specified i think it was the thumbsticks yeah but but any amount of like replaceable parts is gonna be really cool and especially the thumbsticks yeah cause like and i i believe anthony called this out but thumbsticks on things like the switch like oh my i mean another thing i got called out for was sort of um pretending that joy joystick drift is somehow a nintendo exclusive image problem issue that's the word i was looking for and no that i mean it's certainly a very famous one it's certainly been a huge problem in very recent memory but to be clear joystick drift is an enormous problem no matter what kind of joysticks and someone in the comments put it really well they're like no no joystick problem joystick drift joystick failure is a problem for joysticks yeah every joystick will fail and it's kind of inherent to the design you know what finally failed is my old thrustmaster top gun oh no yeah i it wasn't working the last time i tried to use it and i opened it up i was like okay so these are just potentiometers um is this something that i can a few short google searches later nope nope png if i really want another one of these ebay is the way i will just i will just buy another one because you know what the problem is is at the time that was bought for me as a kid right i was like seven or eight years old or something like that maybe nine and it was kind of a small joystick so that i could use it as a kid well nowadays any high quality joystick because the joystick market has consolidated a lot there used to be tons of vendors all kinds of high quality sticks cause joystick games were far more popular i mean mechwarrior was like uh maybe not triple a but at least a single a double a title and also well like microsoft simula or microsoft flight simulator is is like a thing today it was i would say proportionally a much bigger thing in the past yeah i think that's i think that's fair to say as well so that that whole genre of like space sims and flight sims was enormous back then and so we had all these options anyway the problem that i have now is that every high quality joystick is really designed for adult hands and so i i just i don't i can't reach all the buttons they're all socks i find a lot of high quality ones like the warthog which is a really nice one yeah it's very heavy yeah and like the grip is one thing but it's very heavy and that can almost result in it being slower i think we've talked about this before the top gun was really fast yeah twitch reactions were we're really good with it um to get back to the the the joystick drift i think the reason why i kind of jumped to nintendo right away yeah is one i think the the switch controllers probably get abused a lot more than other controls yeah that's fair just slipped into a backpack in bags and stuff like that and also switch controllers are really expensive so yes i think you got a little bit of a combination i'm not trying to like hammer on nintendo specifically but we can hammer on nintendo for their controllers being way too expensive for what they are they are it's ridiculous yeah so that's that's why that like immediately came to mind is if there was a a more easily user fixable joy-con thing that would be great that would be really really cool elimination twitch tv says no mechwarrior 2 was definitely aaa back in the day everyone played it back then yeah that's fair that's fair so other than that i mean is there anything else to really say other than good guy good guy valve what do you think that they could do better if anything i'd like to know and like maybe this can come down the line but i'd like to know the full list of like replaceable hardware that they're going to be offering you guys mentioned probably not the pcbs whatever i don't know but i would like to know specifically what the offer actually is sure um i think that would be cool and that's i mean that's going to happen because eventually they'll have to make them available somewhere and then that's your list um but yeah i know i think it's i think it's good something i said to you uh after i had watched that video was that i'm just i'm really stoked that like from between the framework and now this and there's a topic we're gonna be talking about later on in the show with that has to do with microsoft which is really exciting there's a lot of brands that are making repairability uh a selling point i'm completely okay with that um right to repair and repairability are things that i am very happy to be sold to me to be completely honest now here's my challenge for valve i think they've done a really great job with the steam deck so i don't really have anything to add to that i think committing to replaceable components and designing it from the ground up to be more easily repairable is is great a plus now take that philosophy and apply it to your other bloody products i had an issue with an index controller a little while ago where what happened was um definitely not my fault couldn't have been me but one of the joysticks like the the topper of it the actual joystick itself was no longer attached to the controller did you hit something i mean with the kind of [Laughter] i actually i don't remember i didn't notice doing it i don't remember doing it but because i never ever used them yeah it could have been missing for weeks and i wouldn't have even noticed right because what would i use a joystick for all i do is wiggle my arms around like this right and so i everything is a pointing interface i literally don't touch the joysticks ever anyway the point is i contacted valve support i was like hey look i just want a new joystick the ribbon cable is still intact and the sensor is still there i just do you i'll buy it i recognize that this was 99 my fault uh i own that but i i would like to how do i get replacement parts for it and they're like we will send you an entirely new controller so obviously as a customer i'm perfectly happy with that solution because it means that i get a new controller and i can i can start playing beat saber again but i also have to wonder okay what happens to that controller and it's not just replaceable parts that will wear or that will could fall off that could be broken like a joystick it's also batteries right like every device with a lithium battery in it is going to be e-waste in 10 years yeah it is that simple it will and that's one of the reasons that people people ride on microsoft about using double-a batteries in their controllers but that is in my in my humble opinion that is microsoft having the bravery to in spite of public opinion do the right thing because if you care about the environment at all you should be getting double a rechargeable batteries and using them for years and years and years instead of putting disposable batteries in it because i see that argument made like oh microsoft is being so irresponsible because disposable batteries landfills xbox controllers stop buying the ones that you can't recharge the really shocking part to me is how it's inexpensive rechargeable batteries are now why is anyone ever buying a disposable double a battery in the year 2021 yeah you can even buy ones where you like you flip the top open the capacity do they yeah the capacity sucks how long are you playing with an xbox controller for uh yeah just it's it's really low it's really low because cells are they're packed i don't remember what i used it in but i had some for years and i thought they were fine uh hold on amazon basics double a batteries okay rechargeable here we go how much are these stupid things i don't know what power owl is okay so a 16 pack of 2 000 milliamp hour double a batteries from amazon is 22.99 okay a 20 pack of alkalines disposable waiting cause you can just hot swap a 20 pack of disposables is eight dollars you only have to use them three times i don't even you know i used to be that when i uh like gave away kids toys and stuff like that i would i would like painstakingly open up every single one and double check and make sure that i didn't leave my rechargeable batteries in it and i still try to empty them because you're not supposed to leave them uh with a battery in it but if there's something at the bottom of the pile and i'm like oh i said did i check that one i'm not going to worry about it too much these days because they are literally like a dollar 25 each and they we still have sanyo eneloops here at the office that we still use for our mic packs that have been in service for almost 10 years yeah they yes they don't last quite as long oh i'm sorry but i i think that microsoft has done the right thing to continue with double a batteries and i think that they should never take flack for releasing a device here there this is my hot take nobody should ever get pushback for releasing a device that uses standard easily replaceable batteries that are yeah that have rechargeable options which they basically all do which they basically all do i mean you can even get decent rechargeable nine volts now so that's what we use for we have a microphone uh has a wireless receiver that uses nine volts and so we just we have rechargeable nine volts now it it just blows me away it blows me away that anyone like i have xbox 360. luke you were over the other day and uh he's like oh this is nice it was nice yeah because i have xbox 360 controllers that are still in service yeah and still get exactly the same battery life that they did 12 years ago because i put new batteries in them it's it's not it's not rocket science it's great and envelopes like yeah eneloops are are a little bit more premium but they're honestly still how much did you say the 16 pack was uh the 16 pack are eneloop's still around i thought sanyo sold uh the eneloop they they seem still around they're panasonic now oh okay that makes sense uh the 16 pack was 23 dollars okay so i don't know how many are in here it doesn't say but it's a fairly yeah 16 for 40. even that is perfectly reasonable that's like those i would say those aren't the the pros or whatever but those are going to be premium you only have to get five uses out of them and that's it now there's certain devices that sometimes i'll just go you know what it's it's not worth it like uh uh a tv remote control rechargeable batteries do tend to drain faster on their own like just passively they're a lot better now than they used to be back in the nickel metal hydride nickel nickel cadmium i guess was some of the earlier rechargeable batteries because remember our hydra devices back then the big one was digital cameras and so when you would load up your your four double a batteries into the grip of it or whatever and you'd get like this oh my man i'm taking i'm taken back luke i'm taken back it used to be a thing and this would have probably been before your time you probably would have been too young and not caring about digital cameras yet by this point because you're you're like four years younger than me something like that yeah so when i was when i was like 14 so you would have been 10 so it probably wouldn't matter digital cameras on the store shelf used to have as part of their spec sheet how many shots you could take yeah okay you do remember that and it would be substantially less with rechargeables because the rechargeables of the day had really poor capacity they took forever to charge and they would drain while you were not using them nowadays it's not nearly as bad although there are devices like a tv remote where you will get three or four years sometimes out of a single change of batteries and it's you would just be constantly changing out your rechargeables compared to how often you would have to put in disposables so there are situations where i do get lazy and use disposables rather than just buying more and more and more rechargeables for my entire house but it really doesn't it really doesn't come up that often anymore right yeah i don't even remember i don't even remember what we were talking about something to do right now the indexing the index controller and i don't even know i don't even know that the right answer with the index controller is to put um to put double a batteries in it it would probably be too heavy uh with that said i mean oculus managed it but the index controller also has a lot more functionality yeah than the oculus than the oculus controller yeah so maybe that's not the right answer but having it be easily accessible with a little screw panel so that you could at least not throw away the entire controller would help because you can i know i know like my brother and some other people that i know have have had wireless headphones and they replace those lithium ion batteries anyways sometimes with ones that are even bigger and stuff which is kind of nice all right so anthony has a few notes in here about the ssd valve claims it shouldn't be upgraded uh it has an emi shield on it that is right next to the wi-fi module or the wi-fi antennas would you buy a third-party backing that allows you to put a larger ssd in it would that just be like in some have you pre-ordered one yeah actually you have okay okay so then i pre-ordered one the day we talked about online show as a future i actually pre-ordered it in the background while we were still on rancho because i wanted to not get too late in the queue all right i'll allow it i'll allow it i'll allow it so then okay if someone makes something like that available do you plan to buy it um [Music] not immediately because i would i would self-analyze my use case to see if i actually really needed a terabyte steam deck anyone but like do i um why am i my game's driving my computer isn't even that full i guess that's fair you're mostly like a play a game and then move on move on kind of player aren't you yeah i guess that's for most the the things that i tend to go back to are usually like indie games that are tiny gondomar says wtf luke bought something it must be really good holy i'm pretty excited for the steam deck i i think it's gonna be really cool um now i think that transitions us pretty well into our next topic here which is obviously going to be getting you guys an update on the linux gaming challenge if you guys have been uh checking out the stories that i've been uploading on the ltt channel there's a couple of little oh i didn't know that early teasers in there but okay without giving away too many spoilers i think it's you know we've both recorded our or we've at least got down what we're gonna say in our uh you know our pre pre-installation blurbs because the first video is going to be me sort of talking about the process of getting started so i actually i it's like 500 600 words and i go through i've got a rant about how utterly useless every you know best linux distro listicle is yeah it's it's kind of hilarious there's this one man this is going to be too many spoilers i don't even care let's just let's talk about it let's talk about it i read through one where you're already ready for this i know it under ubuntu okay you've got you've got that it's easy to use and beginner friendly and kind of a pain to set up how can you happen this is the same listicle okay it has pros easy to use beginner friendly cons kind of a pain to set up i found a few i i found a few youtube videos yeah i wish i could remember the the creator names from because they're actually quite good but what i found was more useful was if i was comparing two very specific des or sure two very specific distros now that's another came down to like something more narrow everything's full of jargon so you just said d e y is a d e if i didn't know anything if i didn't know enough about the modularity of linux for example if i was really coming at this from a just normal gamer perspective and people started talking about des even if they didn't shorten it to des even if they said desktop environment you'd probably think it was the distro they were talking about and to be fair for most people um like i i would argue that when most people think about say mint sure they they're just automatically mentally bundling in that you're using cinnamon i would argue that when most people are talking about uh soulless they're thinking of budgie which is ubuntu they're thinking about gnome like yes you can have other ones a lot of these come packaged with other ones like you can get you can get ubuntu budgie sure but like most people if they just say ubuntu are probably talking about ubuntu with gnome sure um so so the first bit is me sort of it ends up a little ranty cause it's just ridiculous coming in as an absolute no-nothing honestly i wouldn't be surprised if you immediately read one article and go forget this this is too much yeah i think the the distro and desktop environment uh selection process is probably too daunting alone for the average user and so after that i basically uh i talk about what the process was like for me i run through what my plan is and then we're gonna cut to luke he talks through what his plan is and then i don't know if i told you this but anthony is going to listen to each of our plans no no he doesn't get to talk to us so part of the whole challenge is that luke and i have to do this the way a normal user would i mean i've had developers reach out multiple developers from major distributions to talk to me because obviously they want you to use their stuff they want me to use their stuff and not just that they don't just want me to use their stuff because it's a good marketing exercise i think they're just really proud of their work and so they should be and i think i think that's probably very genuinely a thing with the open source community i would 100 give them that absolutely but that's not representative of the normal person's experience and in order to be the best that i can be in order to be the best ally that i can be for the open source community and for the linux community i should try to tackle this as a normal user should and i should be able to give my honest feedback without someone preemptively guiding me through so even though we are going to have anthony there for the benefit of the viewers anthony doesn't get to talk to us interesting okay cool yeah no 100 yeah so from there i want to address one thing before we go forward because i saw another comment about it yeah i think uh i spread it further when i tweeted out like which four of these distros do people think i should use yeah and i included fedora and then brackets for the meme i don't mean that fedora the distro is a meme i mean that fedora the name is a meme it really is a meme come on guys like we we use it we use it it's good it's really stable it's great just the name is a meme okay okay sorry let's keep going all right so i mean oh my god even the red hat logo yes like yes like come on guys clearly self-aware clearly at least some of the people at red hat are self-aware anyway the point is um after that so after anthony critiques our plans it goes into a vlog and i don't know how you shot your portion but mine is me with like my phone and no okay there will be some spoilers not too many spoilers but i end up back and forth between my desktop and my server room which is on the other side of the wall where my machine is actually plugged in a fair bit oh wow a fair bit because i mean you got to remember you got to remember you can't take anything for granted right i use a thunderbolt dog for literally all of my peripherals someone at floatplane brought up that that might be an issue i have a very very unusual setup definitely all of my audio is routed through a go xlr a device that has quite literally zero acknowledgement from the manufacturer of the fact that linux exists at all and all this elgato stuff uh i don't actually have a ton of elgato stuff at home i've got my key lights but key lights my workaround is going to be using the phone app which they do have oh right okay okay i can't be giving you too many hints we gotta work through these problems on our own already do you okay all right all right all right all right all right all right so elgato uh key lights i have those and i have a stream deck but i'm just sad i wasted time now but anyways yeah i don't i don't use my stream deck so yeah i don't really care yeah anyway the point is i uh okay i'm not gonna okay part one the part one challenge is to install linux choose a distro install linux and play a game that's it it took me longer to find the screw for the m.2 drive than it did for me to finish the entire first challenge okay um i am a smart boy and i keep all my m.2 screws in my motherboard even when i get a brand new board i take all the m.2 screws and i put it it was your motherboard it wasn't there really yeah well bro i did it with my new machine so i have all my m.2 screws oh it's the uh that asrock aqua one isn't it hey look price was right oh it was fanta i'm still stoked you're not complaining your computer was free i was only using it as like a reference to that i did the rest of it relatively quickly that show off um anyway the point is i did not get it done that quickly okay so part one is to play a game i actually did not strictly speaking complete the part one challenge in like three hours not strictly speaking not strictly speaking because my intention when i actually created the original here i'm not signed into trello on this machine but when i created the original like trello list of all the parts of this series part one is supposed to be um install and play a game on the distro of your choice yeah part two is supposed to be i got i gotta pull up trello here because i can't remember exactly i think it was i think it was yeah install like steam and play a game line is steam was the easy one okay part two is get your game streaming setup working perfectly so mics levels capture camera um i have to get a vpn working so that i can download assets like just sort of general general use stuff uh part three is uh get as many game launchers running as possible and run a game on them so we're aiming to get as many of the big ones as we can and even maybe some smaller ones part four is gonna be fun i've talked to james about this now and it's gonna be hey by the way gaming is not the only thing you do do some other stuff so we're gonna have challenges like edit a quick video together uh create a document uh zip up some files and send them to someone print something uh watch netflix um something to do with excel and don't don't do any of those things now okay don't get ahead of yourself on that one no practicing okay that one i'm not ahead on okay the other ones i am all right okay well i'm ahead on some of the streaming stuff too okay okay so i'm already working on it i'm just making a lot of notes because i think it's gonna end up being a lot of screen capture and a lot of like kind of ranting about stuff so as long as you're making notes and as long as you're screen recording as often as you can and i think we're in pretty good shape uh that was one of the reasons actually that i got some of the streaming stuff going yeah that's the same for me before i even finished challenge one oh wow because i wanted to be able to screen cap yeah that makes sense right fortunately obs is a thing and mostly operates the same so i was able to get that going and then part five i think is honestly just gonna be the conclusion right so we summarize and we make an ultimate decision about whether to go back to windows or not talk about killer apps that we miss talk about killer apps on linux that we're going to miss what are the things we found that we really enjoyed what are the things we hated so now let's get back to part one and talk about how it is that i did not manage to complete the challenge when i wrote this down right right that was why i brought my phone up i wrote part one get linux or actually gnu linux and play a game with sound that's what it says verbatim because yes i even make jokes when i'm the only one who will ever read them i couldn't get sound working sound couldn't get sound working i've heard it magically fixed itself the next day i didn't do anything different and i have screen capture of it not working and then it magically works i promise you i did nothing and it's linux so it probably didn't update itself because it would wait for you to ask you to do the laptop just okay there we go um that's interesting yeah i remember like way back one of my times using linux like way in the past getting sound stuff working on one of my laptops was was quite a hurdle um but this time i just had to change the device it was actually yeah i was i was pretty lucky i had i had some i had some challenges i had some challenges uh okay so tell tell me this tell me this at least i've already got a killer app on the linux side by the way proprietary or open source nvidia driver proprietary you went with the proprietary driver yeah it's a piece of crap yes it is i'm struggling with it right now it's kind of shocking i'm i've i've i haven't done enough of it and i want to do a lot of documentation of it actually including some benchmarks that i want to throw in yeah that i think might be kind of fun i know it's not part of the challenge but it might be interesting anyways um of like the am i pronouncing novo novo i don't know the open source driver whatever so that one versus uh 470 versus 460 which are the two official right sure but like i've had some issues for sure yeah that just feels gross like i don't know have you like thrown windows around and done stuff like that a little bit i've noticed that compared to my windows experience things are a little bit more like yes um yeah even with like do you have the refresh rate fixed uh i managed to get my refresh rate sorted out pretty quickly that was one of the first things i did because i get triggered when my screen is running at 60 hertz these days yeah it was really apparent yeah i thought that was the whole problem at first it felt worse like 60 hertz felt worse than 60 hertz yes uh but now that i'm at 120 it's totally fine what about g-sync i i haven't verified that it's running i have verified that it's running okay but i cannot find a toggle if for whatever reason i wanted to turn it off interesting so that's where i'm at on that because remember like my someone in the uh in the youtube chat pointed out and this is very true my setup is super cutting edge and exotic in a lot of ways like g-sync over hdmi is you might think yeah g-sync that's not new technology but g-sync over hdmi only came up really in the last year or two yeah you have quite a few unique challenges and a year or two is not a long time if you don't have really excellent cooperation from the manufacturer to get something working in linux yeah especially when it's super high-end because the priority for linux in general in my from my perception is openness and sustainability not like cutting edge gaming and that's just that that's that's just the way it is so a lot of the cutting edge gaming stuff that i have and that i do is just not going to be um not going to be a priority for most linux developers now the reason we're doing this challenge is that it's hopefully changing and the steam deck is a big part of that that's why we transitioned from talking about steam deck to this because steam deck will be running linux yeah but it's gonna take time another thing someone brought up is you're also running an nvidia gpu right yeah so we we almost certainly would have had a easier time on both sides if we were running amd gpus yeah possibly but then i wouldn't be running g-sync actually i'm thinking yeah freesync over hdmi is a thing on that monitor oh actually i don't know it's not the lg tv it's aoris monitor i have no idea how it behaves with freesync not sure no idea there's a lot of differences when it comes down to hardware i was even kind of wondering like i don't think a titan rtx is like a super common car no but it's similar enough to the 2000 series it's basically a 2080 ti which is basically a jacked up 2080 like i'm not actually expecting that to be a problem for me i will tell you though just man i don't know what it is i think i i just i attract misery sometimes the first game i tried to play i was like oh i've really been enjoying cave story plus it's an older game it's linux native it's got a linux native client first game i picked has issues with launching off to the side okay so like part of the frame was cut off has issues with controller support the sound wasn't working and for whatever reason this particular game not every game other ones are fine cross code was fine broforce was fine this particular game doesn't support cross-platform cloud saves on steam so i had no sound couldn't see part of the frame couldn't use my controller and my save file was gone so that was my very first linux gaming experience on my new machine i've definitely ran into the cross platform cloud saves thing that's unfortunate that didn't really make it into my notes okay well it's in mine so just for me that wasn't like starting to game on linux that was specifically transferring from windows to linux which i guess is part of it but yeah i don't know either way first game i launched was ftl had none of those issues just didn't have my save yeah so yeah but it worked yeah so yeah there's been a lot of yeah there's have you tried another launcher um another launcher sorry what do you mean by launcher like bnet origin oh no no no not yet i i haven't even gotten as far as playing games with proton yet i i'm not i've i've only put maybe well remember first i put three hours into getting cave story running with no sound i did manage to fix the off kilter the off kilter rendering okay i ran in steam big picture mode what i was trying to diagnose at the time was actually the controller support i was like oh well big picture just solved it big pic part of big picture's whole jam is you know just making it super easy for controllers to work in steam games uh and in the interface so i figure okay if i go right into it from the interface i think the controller issue ended up being kind of pebb cac and i was just i was just kind of overwhelmed by all the other issues that had cropped up in this game like i think i didn't select controller before trying to rebind my thing like it's kind of a weird interface that that game has um but anyway i it can be sometimes a little hard to differentiate between pebcak and the user experience just being pretty rough yeah so i did solve the off-center thing with steam big picture it would it would go right dead center and then i tried it again not in big picture and it was off to the right again and then the next day when i came back and sound was working it launched without big picture dead center and i was like okay all right thank you a little bit yeah that's cool oh man the uh the launcher experience is interesting that's all i'll say launcher experience okay well hey i have that to look forward to make sure you're working on the challenges kind of one at a time though luke otherwise things are going to end up kind of sloppy i i only added one other launcher to be fair okay all right all right and i was just i was very curious um i haven't gamed on linux at all before oh basically every time i've installed it it's been on a laptop and it was for school right um so they were always for like software development or or just like studying education productivity stuff in general anyways um so is it lutress yeah lutress is like super cool and very powerful and i don't want to add too much more to it yeah okay fair enough but i was i was very curious and like trying out lutris because i've never tried it before these are my notes for part two already just to give you some idea um i mean honestly kind of getting worried my size just be really boring a lot of it's well maybe that'll be that maybe that'll be refreshing for the linux community because honestly i can tell you right now the linux community is going to absolutely hate my part one they are going to hate it and some of them will probably hate me because you just honestly i couldn't i couldn't i couldn't write some of the stuff that happened to me like i couldn't i couldn't make it up um truth was was stranger than fiction and the thing is anytime i say anything whether it's positive or whether it's negative there's gonna be a small subset of users who are going to say he's shilling for this or trashing that or whatever he's got it he's got some agenda he's got some hidden motivation right and i guarantee it now mark my words someone who didn't watch this show didn't see me make this prediction is going to accuse me of fabricating yeah some of the things that went wrong for me to make it more dramatic to make it dramatic or to to dunk on linux or whatever whatever maybe they think that bill gates's vaccine in my 5g reception is making me chill for windows like i don't i don't know i can't i can't put myself in the head of these people but i guarantee you that based on my experience someone will not believe how badly it went for me and will find a way to to make it about my hidden agenda here and then hopefully hopefully yeah hopefully my site does at least my part one because i haven't done the rest of it so maybe we'll maybe we'll switch sides later on um but hopefully my part one does contrast that because the the biggest problems that i had required uh sometimes slightly more than but pretty much just a restart right that was that was like pretty much i was surprised how much i have to restart on windows or on linux windows has kind of fixed that there is some stuff you can get like i don't remember exactly what it's called but there's a live updating tool right that makes so you don't have to restart um yeah i don't know i just i i was just surprised like i i booted up and was just doing stuff like nothing with a brand new fresh image it was like hey you need to restart your computer because like we did some stuff like oh really not okay i mean i guess yeah i guess windows does it all the time too i guess i just don't notice because it just schedules it and then just like runs it in the middle of that's some stuff like the like it did it automatically yeah okay we're having a very different experience i'll just say that much nothing happened automatically on my side um which was i i mean that's just prob i haven't revealed what distro and and um desktop environment i'm using yet but that is gonna be part of it this is great rich 77 linus the linux community is here to help not slam a new user we are here for you that's rich get it yeah like yes you know what i'm sure that it's a minority of extremely toxic users just like any fan community there's going to be a minority of really toxic users there's just there's a special there's a special kind of toxic gatekeeping that seems to go on in the linux community and you're going to get callers also in this video sorry there is there is extreme there's a lot of extremes there's toxic gatekeeping and then there's people that will just like stop at nothing to try to make sure that you know the door is open as wide as possible yeah um sometimes to your detriment like no no it's really good it's really good it's really good there's no problems ever i'll help you you can call me anytime night or day it's like right but i don't want to talk to you for three hours a day yeah okay i just want to use my customers i want this to work is there anything so far um and maybe this is going too much into it but is there anything so far that you've really liked or has gone really well hold on speed style says the linux community is here for you now until they see your video and can't wait to correct everything you should have done yeah um so it's not so much that i've seen things that i absolutely love about linux as much as i've been reminded that i should really make sure that i'm not coming at this from a completely one-sided standpoint and my rants should include rants about windows yeah okay something something i complained about with linux in general is that there's a dozen different ways to do things and from a normal person perspective i don't want a dozen different ways to do the same thing i don't want that i want one good fast way maybe an alternate way in the event that that way is not working like you know looking at you finder you know how you know you can't manually refresh the contents of a folder in finder because it should just work yeah it should but sometimes it doesn't it doesn't and it needs a refresh button apple anyway the point is um [Music] i pointed that out like so i found something that drove me you know really bananas and i pointed out that microsoft has actually done an astonishingly bad job of that they started transitioning to their new style control panel with windows 8. windows 8 was when they started transitioning to remember the new control panel yeah when did when did windows 8 come out windows 8 release it's like 2008 or something 2012 okay 2012. this was uh nine years ago nine years ago windows came out with this new control panel there is still core functionality in windows 11 nine years later that you have to go into the classic control panel for so make up your mind microsoft do we do it this way or do we do it that way just let me like the classic control panel in my opinion but yeah exactly well that's a whole that's a whole separate conversation i ran into another thing where i had just like i signed into steam and all my like friend requests and crap popped up in the bottom right corner and i couldn't see anything in the bottom right corner or click on anything until it went away like yeah this is a terrible experience it happens to be exactly the same terrible experience on windows i haven't tried it on 11 yet but on windows 10 it's exactly the same way if you get like a handful of notifications at a time it's limited i think it's three and then they go away and there's not enough time to click and it stacks back up again and you just can't click anything in your system tray until they're gone it's it's horrible it's it's it's like it's like the people using it never it's like the people designing the product never used it it's that kind of thing like i searched for this is great i searched for explorer okay in the start menu of one of our ingestations to shoot a completely unrelated video yesterday and get this get guess what the the top highlighted best match was well okay first of all what do you think i wanted i i'm assuming you wanted like actually i don't know why would you search explorer explorer yeah well what what what like what do you think i might have been trying to do my my brain immediately jumped to like uh the the starting web browser but that's edge these days so file explorer but i wanted file explaining okay okay and it should come up with that because explorer the web browser doesn't exist anymore so file explorer should be the first thing that comes up so it comes up with microsoft edge okay so somebody manually intervened clearly manually intervened in the search results and said nope nope that thing that is an exact character for character match is not the best match it's this other thing it's this thing that we really want you to use please use it please please use edge please use that we're gonna we're gonna re-engineer how uh open with preferences work to make it way harder to not use it please use it please use it i mean it's it's infuriating um and so i guess yeah i haven't been reminded i haven't found so much things that are so much better with linux as i've found things that are also horrible about windows but that i just didn't really think about because i glide right through them like okay here's something that has bothered me on the particular desktop environment i'm using when you click the button that clears away all your windows and takes you to the desktop okay okay when you click that it does what you would expect okay and then if you if you alt tab and like find something you want and click it it brings everything back oh okay like who thought this was what i would want to do i i just i've had two things so far that i actually liked a lot one of them was the the media control area sure i've really really liked it um like some something that i enjoy quite a bit is sometimes when you have something playing in a browser tab you and i both have some some issues when it comes to browser tabs yes um sometimes it can be kind of hard to find it yeah and like if if i restored all my tabs and then it's like buried somewhere like it can actually be a serious pain um and yes there's the little speaker symbol on the tab but yep when you're when you've got a lot of tabs open it's pretty small and you know um so this one will show you the different media things that are playing in the sound control panel right and you can just pause play do whatever you want individually right there that's pretty cool i really like it it also if you had like some native app like say shop or not shopify spotify yeah or one that's looking locally those all the controls for it would be available in there as well that's pretty cool next song pause everything and then the other thing that i really liked was during the installation of the operating system instead of like asking if the operating system can steal your data in 47 different ways yeah it it just had essentially a like hey if you want to do productivity things check out these apps for these things right if you want to play games check out these apps i liked how easy it was to encrypt my drive that yeah uninstall yeah why isn't that just an install option on windows i mean microsoft you're the only major operating system left that doesn't just have a quick and easy way to encrypt your boot drive when you install the operating system ios android linux and mac os all prompt you like right when you're setting them up in fact ios and android is encrypted by default now like it's it's ridiculous now my um volume uh panel is not as good as yours i think uh i i noticed a problem with it almost immediately because i have so many audio devices on my computer yeah um that when i went to scroll through them with my mouse wheel because the indicator to move it manually is like this little tiny thing uh i started immediately moving the the sliders so the scroll wheel does both yeah like tilting or not tilting like rolling through all the interfaces and also adjusting the sliders so it's like impossible to use our layouts are so different that wouldn't even be possible on mine the thing that i really liked like really really liked yeah about that like it was a slide show essentially a suggestion slideshow yeah is the the new user experience there is so strong because if i'm if i'm genuinely a fresh user to linux yeah i probably did some amount of research yeah or like what if you just want to play video games you also might have done none right you don't want to pay for windows and unless it's that simple i actually really like a lot of them but the application names are often quite different yeah i i i wanted to open something and it's like would you like to use kate yeah and i'm like what is kate yeah like i have ghosts i had to google it yeah on windows it's like would you like to use notepad nope that's pretty self-explanatory really straightforward yeah yeah so what i really really liked about that was it went through basically all the standard things that you'd use your computer for yeah and it gave you like these are i don't know not necessarily the best but in a lot of situations pre-installed options or very easy to acquire and use things that you can do yeah to get this really genuinely wide range of things done right i actually thought that was awesome because if i was a new user i would have very likely either written that down or taken pictures but like been way more prepared genuinely way more prepared to actually use linux than i would have before that slideshow floatplane chats freaking out they figured out what desktop environment i'm in well guys wait for the video cause there's definitely still gonna be surprises luke actually knows one of the surprises that is going to be in the video because i couldn't help it i was like messaging him at midnight i'm like have you ever seen anything this wild genuinely no actually which is pretty crazy it was absolutely wild okay can can we talk about kate for a second sure because the reason i was using kate was because i wanted to download a script from github that i wanted to run can i just say for a moment that no offense development community but the fact that on github a script doesn't just download in a text format is the stupidest thing i have ever seen acquiring things off of github is a little weird it's actually brain dead yeah that when you download a script it downloads as an html file and then the best part is that on linux file extensions don't mean file extensions file extensions mean a helpful little hint about what might be inside it so it's literally got a text file or like a script file i forget what the extension is extension but when you try to actually run the script it's like this is an html file i'm like why is this an html file why is it that the way that i acquire the script is to copy paste it into kate and then save it as that extension and then run it why is it so ass backwards everyone's calling you stupid because you didn't click get raw um but it's it's just it's one of those things that are it's just it's a it's a user experience thing right like if you're if you're used if you're very used to github yeah it's not a big deal but if you're if you're a new user to github it is it is genuinely an odd experience to get things from github it is that's great so so here here okay so here okay so raw does i still have to copy paste it what are you talking about unless you write i guess you could right click and right click and save link as save link as sh file okay is that going to be a proper script or is that just going to be another i've been doing that a long time but i think it should be okay yeah i don't know i for i forget how i ended up actually downloading it um people are saying like or curl w get the link et cetera et cetera yes but the problem with a lot of this stuff is you have to know yes you have to already know and if you don't already know it's not obvious it's a very difficult thing to get across in this video because a very large amount of people will just not accept that i know i know and it's like it's like back to uh back to rich 77's comment we're here for you we're here for you until you do something not exactly the way that we think you should do it but the reality of it is guys is developers do not get to pick how users interact with their product and there's a lot of stuff like i was looking up potential solutions to um a couple problems that weren't like it was it was where the user experience wasn't like kind of a hundred percent up to par with what i would want it wasn't that it wasn't working yeah i thought i could i thought it could probably work better maybe if i did some work on it um and through googling almost all of the solutions that i found were telling people to go it's like here's a link to the home page of the wiki for this thing yeah go have fun which you know what if i'm in a tinkering mindset fantastic yep but if i just want to play my video game right now not fantastic not great uh this was a really good one i found a guide for how to fix something and it was like okay run this script how how do i run a script i have never i've never run a script on linux before and yeah if i can't even manage to get a properly formatted script file because i keep downloading it as an html even though the extension the extension was sh but it wouldn't run because it was an html file hidden inside it that is not intuitive i mean it's surprising to me that engineers and like science i would think science-minded people would think a label should not mean what a label is how could you possibly defend that defend a file extension that is not descriptive of what the crap the file is i haven't experienced this problem so like i'm not i'm not really sure um lmao making me face pump there's a lot of comments like that there's a lot of comments that are like rtfm and it's like yeah but the the whole point of what we're currently analyzing is the new user experience and people don't want to have to sit down and bust out the manual when they use a new thing yeah and it's way better these days sure even compared to i think the last time that i that i ran linux seriously was probably four years ago yeah it's already way better and like i i genuinely think that uh at least the distro that i'm using is outpacing what i think windows is currently doing i i genuinely think that i think they're moving faster i think they're they're gaining features faster i think they're they're they're on a really good pace but in terms of user experience especially new user experience they are definitely clearly behind hyper crusher says that's user error for not knowing how to use github no it's not it's absolutely not believe it or not believe it or not there's a whole wide world of people out there that have trouble figuring out where to find the photo they just took on their iphone let alone how to use github and as long as you hold on to that mentality that those people should just learn better linux adoption is going to be very very difficult and out of reach that's just the cold hard truth and you cannot like it and you can sit and be angry about it or whatever but that that's it that's it the truth just doesn't it is what it is and you can accept it you cannot accept it it's that simple and there can always be distros that are distros and desktop environments whatever that are much more new friendly and ones that are really hardcore like i think i think a a uh pretty genuine user error would be to like i've never used linux before and i'm not even very familiar with computers at all i'm going to go to arch like the whole internet did not tell you to do that no nobody told you one extremely simple google search would have told you to specifically not do that yeah so like sure figure it out but there are desktop environments and distros etc that advertise themselves as user friendly and they're getting a lot better and in a lot of ways they are but they're not a hundred percent yeah gremlin injector put it really well people are missing this uh normal users are not technical file extensions already are a pretty technical concept for most people i mean here here this is this is actually a really uh this is kind of gonna put us on a bit of a tangent here but i was reading an interesting article where a professor was not complaining but noticing um talking about opening up a discussion about that many of the students coming through their classes were not familiar with the concept of a folder structure like a folder tree and i kind of i kind of went what i mean this is a generation of people that have spent their they've grown up their whole lives surrounded by electronics uh how and computers how is it that they could powerful search powerful search exactly uh but even so you can you can sit there and be elitist and go not knowing how to use github is user error or you can recognize that these are this and we're talking these are people in university and again you can go well just because someone's in university doesn't mean that they're more educated well no way actually it means that statistically speaking they are probably more educated than the people who are not maybe just not in this particular maybe not in this particular way believe it or not there's a whole wide world out there of other things that people spend their time and energy on what what right i know it's crazy right and so it's not that mind-blowing even though for me it was this utterly alien concept for someone to not actually have a very good understanding of the folder structure because even the fact like it reminds me of how you know there's that anecdote that's been floating around who knows if it's actually true where the kid asks their dad why they have a 3d printed save button you know when they find a floppy disk right yeah the very concept of a folder structure is archaic when's the last time you had a folder inside nested inside a folder with a bunch of files in it right like that that's very 1980s that's that's that's uh that's a that is 40 years ago right when that idea of paper filing just being a fact of life that everyone is familiar with was a thing i mean when i was a kid we still had uh phone numbers were still kept in a rolodex right yeah and so this this concept this this tack tactile experience of rifling through things to find things that you were looking for was very much a part of my childhood but we've got an entire generation of people that just search for stuff and you don't get to pick how the world uses things i think a really good example here is tarfeif 101 on on floatplane said uh and he's talking about github yeah he said no it really is user error because there is and then in all capitals no download button for individual files you just did some really weird special stuff like probably saving the entire web page which is just as dumb as saving a youtube page to try to get the video a few messages further down ferna182 i'm a developer and the whole save link as on github and then getting the html inside of what i thought was the actual thing i was trying to download happened to me way more times than i'm willing to admit of course it did it's just weird it's not a fantastic user experience it's not acquiring things off of github is weird i couldn't find a download button so my natural work around was save link as no i didn't save the entire web page why would how would i even do that we're talking about mistakes that a technical but not developer person could make i don't think most people are trying to download the entire web page they're not uh but right click save save link as is a pretty decent workaround when for whatever reason you you can't find the a working download button or like download's not working or or you want it to go faster uh and there's like a delay if you like click through it's a site you use all the time and they have one of those like five four three two one things like there it's just it's a workaround that people might be expected to be familiar with so he he then replies to to us saying this but that's how browsers work not how github works examine all of the comments around your message yeah that's that's the way i'm gonna answer that you've been you've been roasted as much as you need to be roasted you're you're you're you're cooked enough we go any further and uh yeah we're good that that turkey's gonna be burned not uh not juicy anymore the answer is add a download button the answer is why isn't there a download button and why wasn't there a download button many years ago that's the answer way more obvious yeah oh man yeah anyways it's mind-blowing we should probably uh mind blow talking about some sponsors real quick hey starting with i think i've done this correctly man it it is giving me anxiety having that computer way over there where i can't interact with it directly because if i press the wrong button on here i'm just going to be like oh no what happened ah thanks to honey for sponsoring this video honey is the free shopping tool that searches for the best promo codes whenever you shop online at supported sites honey helps you save money when you buy things when you're already shopping anyway so there's really no downside whether it's shoes video games tools computer parts you name it honey works on tons of your favorite sites all you have to do is click apply coupons while you're at the checkout page and wait for honey to search for the best working coupons it's free savings and installs in just two clicks so get it today at joinhoney.com linus let's go back to maine for a second here because it's just hilariously vindicating that i talk about all these reactions that we're going to get from the linux community and we've got a lot of people saying no no no no it'll be fine it'll be fine [Laughter] and the second i come out and be a human be vulnerable and say i didn't know something and that i made a mistake you've got these toxic members of this community you suck jumping jumping down my throat like ready to pounce and it's like i get it i get it you're an expert and you feel like everyone should be an expert analytics might be your baby yeah saying your baby isn't perfect but the thing is like i don't know man see to for me and this is you know we're getting into like relationships again right like where we i think we've talked about this on the show today it's like i never tell my wife you're the most beautiful woman in the world lots of husbands tell their wives that and i'm sitting here going well i'm not going to lie to you like you're not i'm also not the best looking guy in the world don't have the biggest schlong like so what what's the back of the package you're asian you don't even need me to have the biggest that's not the fitment is fantastic yeah see right the margins here are amazing what i'll say is it seems like we were built for each other so the point is the point is that if you love something i feel like you should be able to be honest with it that's and and i think that the kind of love that is fanatical that is not objective is not actually as um it's not actually as fulfilling like i was reading an article about like 17 things a boss should never say to an employee and one of them was good job and there's a reason for that and the justification for it was actually very well thought out it's because it's not specific it's vague what what was good what was good about it how good was it it doesn't tell you say good job but you have to follow it with one there has to be context there has to be context so you you you can't there's no point lying to people and if you just say everything is great your words mean nothing you you lose all the gravity that the sentiments you express could have possibly had if you just constantly talk about how great something is and i i take a lot of flack for being super negative you know like i'll see people oh linus complains about everything but so what we all don't yeah well that's a whole that's a whole separate that's a whole separate conversation i mean and a lot of the time when i complain about something it's just the thing that makes me really angry it's not when something is bad the thing that makes me angry is when something is bad out of complete and utter negligence or malice so the fact that the iphone doesn't have t9 dialing when it's literally something that an apple developer could build in less than a week and would require basically no maintenance it's it's it's an insult to their users like it's just it's utterly unbelievable um i think there's also i think there's a lot of if you aren't just lying all the time or saying things that you're entirely unqualified to say like if you had truly done an assessment of all like appropriate aged partners that you could have in the world that would be ridiculous and i probably not an attractive trait for a woman i was just gonna say she might not even want to be with you yeah i try to i tried out every lady in our geographical area and you're the best no you said world this would be a big project yeah a big project major um like man you'd need to drink a lot of fluids get a lot of chicken soup going this is a this is a weird topic to go check out some weird wand but i i think if you if you focus on things that are true and you can fully qualify they mean more because there's there's that whole concept where like oh like you ask your your your partner if you like look good in something and then they say yes and you go and you go ask like your buddy because you might get a you're worried that the response from your partner is is is colored right yep it's it's rose tinted glasses whatever so if you if you are more straight up honest and clear and objective then those compliments mean more because you know absolutely i think there's value to that for better for worse my wife knows that if she makes food that isn't very good tasting i'll tell her because she's the kind of person who genuinely cares about self-improvement and in the same way if i she probably doesn't want to waste her time if she's cooking food for you if you don't want to cook something if i set up i mean one of them first hopefully so let's talk about one of my jobs around the house if i set up the uh you know the uh the universal remote for our media system and it's in a way that she can't it's annoying like it's annoying to use or it takes too long or whatever else she's not going to just you know grin and bear it quietly exactly she's going to tell me so that i can fix it because we want to improve each other's lives more overall and deeper appreciation we're in it to win it right like we're on the same team um so you have to be able to be you have to be able to be honest with each other luke please don't make this worse sorry dude this is so this is so great nh4x4 tracker says most people don't care about t9 here's another comment a little bit further down thorium 220 says i started using t9 dialing on android because linus mentioned it in a video thanks mate this is great most people don't understand what it is that's why they don't think it's amazing that is the only reason to not think it's amazing it is actually the fastest way to dial a phone number hands down other than if you have your your nine favorites or whatever and you just hold one button that is the only way that i can think of that could be faster oh just makes me very very angry very angry um that's not the best example of something that is just sort of utter negligence that it's not included i think probably a better example would be something like accessibility and right to repair like hiding screws under a sticker that is destroyed when you remove 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independent third-party study looking at right to repair uh i will also point out that a lot of floatplane people pointed out that it's very funny that one of the difficulties that you've been having with linux is github because microsoft owns github that is quite entertaining well okay i didn't to be clear i didn't say it was an issue with linux so my issue with linux was that it wasn't obvious where to like put a script to run it right yeah like i'd would you have needed that script on windows no it's part of the experience okay okay i guess that's fair i would argue like finding scripts online to do things for you is is probably part of the experience yeah it shouldn't be um expecting the average user to run a script i mean the problem with scripts is there's such an enormous like security problem too because just copying and pasting scripts off the internet to be clear like i'm doing it but you shouldn't that's not that's not a good best practice again that's the kind of crazy sort of um i don't know what to call it is it double speak description is it uh it's one of the most contradictory things about uh the linux community is that out on this on the one hand it's like it's open source it's all about security and privacy and and all of these sort of pillars a lot of that is is genuinely okay and on the other hand it's like the only way to do basic stuff is to unless you are an extremely technical user like a part-time developer is to download random scripts off the internet and execute them in a terminal as a super user like are you serious a lot a lot of the security stuff is that you assess that that script and that i know i know i know i'm just saying i'm just saying i know that's like saying the safest car is the one that you just build yourself like most people shouldn't build a car like like i don't want to spoil this too much oh no but just for some context remember the screenshot i sent you no i'm sorry you're supposed to be a security professional every user should be a digital security professional oh no um they're going to hate us this is going to be a problem i'm trying honestly my experience so far has been pretty clean um oh my goodness remember when you were you sent me the videos of the problem yeah and i sent you the screenshot back um yeah yes so they're expecting you to read all that i know i know the funny part is you saw how far i scrolled through that right it's a lot but they're expecting you to read it that's like that's like literally literally the i forget if it made it all the way to the supreme court but like literally the american judicial system has decided that eula's are not enforceable because nobody reads anything that long and that includes agreeing to things when you're executing basically any scenario a lot of people too long didn't read even if it's only a few lines and sometimes it's a lot more than a few lines so i don't know anyways good guy microsoft this has nothing to do with linux uh microsoft is taking concrete steps to facilitate independent repair of its devices following pressure from shareholders this comes after months of negotiations started in june when investor advocacy non-profit as you so filed a shareholder resolution in regards to right to repair and environmental concerns microsoft will study how increasing access to parts and info can reduce contributions to climate change and e-waste which does i will say sound like a very new microsoft thing that sounds like something new microsoft would do so it's kind of interesting yeah that sounds like something that new microsoft probably should have figured out in two seconds instead of um spending months on it and needing an independent third-party commission i agree let's let's talk about all the wasted resources of a third-party investigation being done when you could just do the right thing immediately so i'm sure they could call lewis one time and lewis would happily get there like immediately and walk through how they could do all of that i'm pretty sure that they could sit and turn off the tv and for like four seconds sit and think and they could probably come out i don't think they have to talk to louis about this should things be easier for end users to repair hold on hold on i'm thinking yes yeah i did it i guess i was giving them too much credit i got there reading this line in particular will study how increasing access to parts and info can reduce contributions to climate change and e-waste yeah like just get over it it will it will do that thanks um remember this is the start increasing is the same company for whom i fix it repairability score of two is considered a win okay i mean we really like the um maybe we should change it from good guy microsoft to like hopefully finally getting close microsoft it's amazing to me and i mean this is one of those funny things because maybe again i'm just being a right to repair elitist assuming that other people have put the kind of thought into this that i have and maybe it just isn't obvious to other people this is not the same because because this this is this is like this is a company that's probably got uh you know pound for pound more genius level intellects on staff than most other almost any organization on earth other than you know like mensah right like we're talking about well you have to be a genius to be a member of mensah don't you i don't know i mean i've never looked into membership i assumed i'm not genius enough that the point is that this this is an organization that has enough smart people in it that i don't i'm not inclined to give a lot of uh credit for them investigating this because there's absolutely no way sorry i changed gears here no i was trying to play devil's advocate okay it's possible that just because they're genius level intellects that that doesn't mean that they've given any thought to this whatsoever the issue though is that companies like microsoft and like apple are clearly putting so much thought into making repairs more difficult that they couldn't possibly have made those decisions without also examining the alternate the alternative if i can try to jump on the devil's advocate side of things i i could say that there's whatever start of it started it probably set a pretty significant amount of momentum and it's been difficult to kind of gear change and there's been no real kick to actually start that gear change and then lately there's been much more of a kick well let's let's hope let's hope we can keep some momentum hoping that's it we have not talked about the twitch leak yet okay how are we this far into the show and we have not okay we also oh my goodness this is madness we haven't even talked about how toques are back in stock ladies and gentlemen we've got new color wow did i make exactly the same face that looks like a palette swap look at this is that or is that not exactly the same picture hold on it's not the hair's slightly different that is actually a different picture that's kind of amazing uh anyway the dark aqua is here we got gray we got a blue now i don't know i've never seen any store that has as many pictures for products as the ltt's you know what's the crazy part about that is that it's not even that much work like it's a lot of work and it does cost us money but it's not such a crazy amount of work that i think you know large large organizations couldn't just do it a few more yeah yeah it doesn't seem that complicated anyway they're 1999 the construction quality issues were fixed if you have one from last year you will hear from us we'll be reaching out to all previous buyers in the next week or so and you will either get a new fixed toque or you will get a refund if you've had the issue and you haven't yet reached out to us so we'll get it all sorted out there are thousands of you please give our support team some time to work through everything but we will get this resolved for everyone we take all this kind of stuff extremely seriously um for those of you who are wondering uh no we did not throw away the um the compromised inventory we actually had it reworked locally uh so we did not waste any beanies that's cool um they were all they were all fixed and uh and then like just repacked because they're still new um cool so yeah we're getting we're getting everything sorted out all right let's talk about twitch twitch leaked the whole thing source code uh creator creator compensation apparently there could be more coming um i saw that apparently this is part one yeah i don't i don't even like at this point know what else is there what else is going to be a bunch of isos of like people's computers i i have no idea uh because it's a lot it's it's it's the source code it's it's a lot not all but a very significant amount of creator compensation it i believe it goes down to like 10 000 creators or something it's it's like one percent because there's an insane amount of twitch am i the top one percent then because i think my information was leaked nice i am the one i think that's what it is i'm not entirely certain i mean i became a one top one percent only fans creator in like two hours heck yeah so that was pretty that was pretty fun just flexing nice flex and sorry i got to do only fan flex i got to take some clothes off okay is this is the male nipple thing still a thing on twitch i have no idea i have no clue should we broken it like a few yeah i'd be willing to show you guys my nipples but i don't actually need to get banned off twitch it's it's it's not really a needle mover for us now everyone knows how much you make yeah yeah that could be an expensive nip slip yeah exactly right yeah even though it's not a needle mover it's still expensive yeah it's a lot better than a kick in the teeth twenty nine thousand dollars over two years sure yeah um anyways 125 gigabytes went into the torrent link uh that was leaked onto originally 4chan along with a pace bin i believe the pace bin the paceman was gone by the time i got an email from luke at 5 30 a.m before you ask i've got it i've got it all i did it hot i um you did look how ready is i have nothing i am good boy um the uh i think jake had it before you maybe i don't know um you got it like i still have stuxnet nice you gotta just archive this stuff i don't know it's interesting i mean once it's gone you know it's it someone someone in the flow plane chat said that like a big d move that twitch could and would be really interesting if they did is just go like you know what screw it just put it on github there's no way not amazon it wouldn't happen but it'll be sweet that's not amazon yeah there's absolutely no way handsome desk i'm sorry get your heads out of the gutter i just i just do this when i'm sitting down i don't know why anyways muscle memory i was just waiting for you to bring it up again all right tell us what's in there twitch has confirmed the breach has taken place but denies credit card info or login details were exposed i have heard that people claim that password data was included but was encrypted that doesn't mean that you shouldn't change your password yeah it means that you should change your password change your password for twitch just do it especially i mean everyone has a stream key i believe every twitch account is able to stream i'm pretty sure so just make sure that you do it because you don't want someone getting access to your account details which could be attached to your name and your personal information and then streaming things on twitch that are really bad um so change it change your password very important um there was there's yeah basically source code and user information passwords stuff like that and the earnings of a lot of different creators the earnings have been discussed a lot yeah that's basically the highlight for the normies but what do developers care about there's a lot of stuff in there twitch does a lot of things yeah like what lots of stuff i just want to know what the things the developers find interesting lots of things um there's there's if you think about youtube or twitch um there's things that would be valuable to developers if they if they leaked out there's things like what the player that could be good for people i mean twitch's player is not amazing you might not want the player yeah but there could be some tech in there that's interesting there's also like pipeline improvements in terms of moving data because one of the things especially for youtube is incredibly good at this youtube is so good at this that i've talked to people that work at competitors that have said that they never want to try to get into never want to try to genuinely compete with youtube in the vod space like they might have vod availability but they don't want to try to compete with them on the vod space because they're like pipeline and data science essentially is so far beyond that they'll never get as efficient and that's the battle right um so like it's it's crazy so there's probably some of that stuff in there um there's there's there's everything there's everything that you would need to essentially make twitch there's also other stuff that includes things that they never released including what people are talking about uh as a steam competitor called vapor yeah which is interesting in a few different ways partially because it includes the word vape which is like come on now and then the other one because it's so highly related to the word steam yeah which is just like really i also like that it's vaporware vaporware that's pretty good um apparently vapor will or was or will or i don't know have a 3d chat system called vape world which is like the worst thing they could have possibly called it in my opinion holy amazon filed a patent in 2017 titled joining games from a spectating system oh that's pretty cool sounds actually genuinely pretty cool yeah and twitch being fully like vertically integrated so uh amazon having a game studio obviously um actually imagine being able to join a battleground in new world yeah that you saw a streamer was in and remember this is aws right so i would be very surprised if the the the end game experience wasn't something along the lines of streaming the game right not not playing on your local machine right so the entire game runs in an amazon data center somewhere you connect to it it's this enormous high performance but fully local environment with clients streaming into it everyone is able to engage with like they're able to watch in any number of ways like imagine if you could watch a battle royale but more like in a hum in a hunger game style where your camera can be anywhere right and by hunger games sorry i don't mean like the minecraft play mode i mean like the movies like like where if you could watch an arena fight but your camera could be anywhere you want like literally an unlimited practically speaking unlimited number of people could connect and either be playing or observing and how that would work with a platform like twitch like they did so they've got the mechanism to draw new viewers into playing the game through through drops and through exclusive skins and they've got all the streamers that are going to be inherently promoting it because you just play whatever's biggest on the platform they can use the platform to push the game to boost it up and it all runs on aws and the whole thing is just this beautiful little bow i mean honestly you think about it that way and amazon is the bigger threat to xbox than sony is because that is potentially a completely game changing experience you look at how much demand there is to get into what's that stupid gta 5 irl like server that everyone cares about [Music] pixel something something pixel something something like that you look at how much demand there is to get in and participate in these types of it's not a pixel it's called like yeah no pixel type of like massively multiplayer remember it's relatively small scale but this type of multiplayer experience because no pixel almost isn't even a game for a lot of the players they're they're role playing right and form of game but yeah i know but we can't call it a massively multiplayer online rpg it's gnu slash linux okay because it's i don't think anyone's going to argue that gta 5 is an rpg game okay so yes the nope yes you could there are role-playing elements but i think we can agree that it is still a shooter adventure okay whatever i don't know what genre grand theft auto is its own genre it doesn't matter the point is the point is that you don't even have to pay streamers to play that they want to be in there because wherever the hottest personalities are all congregating is where they're going to be able to get the most access to new audiences and to increase their own subscriptions so all of a sudden the the play for twitch which clearly wasn't um motivated by twitch's spectacular profitability uh makes more sense and to be clear you know i'm not i i'm not saying that uh twitch doesn't make any money i'm just saying compared to the billion dollars that amazon spent on it if the revenue numbers are anywhere even close to representative of what twitch is making it's not very profitable that's like there is it's gonna cost us there's there's these like really big like the brand takeovers for games are huge yep yep big money yeah they'll do like whole site buys and stuff like it's it's big but a whole site buy a lot of it is going to end up paid to the streamers on these pages those banners are showing i don't think the twitch homepage is exactly the hottest place to hang out you go to the streamers you like to watch so i would i would say and you got to remember too so one of the one of the things that's really important to keep in mind is that the streamer uh income that leaked does not include donations and it does not include um uh what was one of the other major ones that it doesn't include brand deals shoot yeah it doesn't include brand deals but the point is twitch doesn't get a piece of brand deals unless they're acting in a bit agency no it would probably include acting in like an uh like an agency role for the streamer and even for donations if i recall correctly doesn't twitch take a lower cut for donations oh do they even take a cut for donations they don't take donations they do bits twitch uh donations revenue share hold on how much does twitch take from donation subscriptions affiliates earn 50 of the sub some high-end partners keep seventy percent donations made through third-party companies such as streamlabs go to the streamer so how does what's the share for bits i'm not familiar with it the point is this is a scale oh it apparently included bids so even though that doesn't tell us necessarily how much streamers are making ah it didn't include exclusivity contracts right so even though it didn't tell us how much top streamers are actually making because there could be donations bits whatever exclusivity deals brand deals all that other kind of stuff what it did tell us is how much twitch is making because twitch is making whatever the inverse of that number of the streamers are making is and so if we're looking at the top streamers on the platform making like eight to nine million dollars over a span of it seems like about two years and then it dropping precipitously from there i mean you can basically figure out how much revenue twitch has not quite not quite there there's also yeah so like amazon wanted to own the tech to a certain degree and amazon wanted to own the watch time watch time was particularly interesting to them and i'm sure they're taking a lot of data from their users as well of course that's just extremely valuable to them but there's also like aws features that have come from twitch existing within the amazon ecosystem that should even sell in that way like there's there's other ways that they've been able to profit off of there but yeah and in terms of subscription revenue it is quite revealing for sure yeah i mean it's uh we're not going to build a twitch competitor even with the source code we're not interested in building a twitch competitor i already knew that yeah and and yeah having the source code makes no not only would that be intensely not okay uh but it makes no difference anyways so yeah i mean i think that it's actually kind of funny how the entire twitch source code leaked and nobody will try to clone twitch's service with their own source code i pretty much guarantee it because the the business model unless you have those supplementary businesses that you can use the technology for it's just it's not practical it's really expensive yeah yeah there's a few things uh rip mixer right like if microsoft with their much deeper uh understanding i would say even of gaming if microsoft couldn't make that aspect of the business work i mean well apparently there were a lot of issues at mixer but my point still stands it's clearly more of a challenge than just building a streaming platform you have to actually build a business around it eposvox is in the chat said worth noting though that twitch only pays like five to ten percent of their ad revenue for creators it's nowhere near a 50 50 split yeah oh okay that's fair yeah most of most of what creators are making like if you look at your how much you're making from ads on twitch it's not it's not a lot a lot of it's going to be subs a lot of it's also going to be donations donations are huge like if you thought you just learned how much these streamers are actually taking away you're woefully mistaken uh but i can also uh i can also tell you that uh ads cpms compared to user donations is not um nothing i think ads are a very small part of this yeah yeah ads are not going to be the the game changer that you might think that they would be remember like website banner ads are sort of that's a pretty web 1.0 way to make money now twitch because they've got this super dialed in audience is going to be able to demand more than some random and twitch also facilitates a lot of like oh okay like every major fps player is going to play this new game that came out we're going to be the in between between you and all these streamers yeah and it's going to be this huge genuinely massive amounts of money transferring hands yes um because they're buying out like i said like every major gamer yeah even non-fps gamers like everyone on twitch is gonna be playing i think apex was one of them right there's been a lot of games that are like that that had like essentially no marketing but on launch dates like every twitch person is playing it yeah and you know they're paid to play it because they're like we're gonna be playing this game from exactly this time to exactly this time and then going back to regular content it's like oh okay um wiggy ain't says microsoft understands gaming microsoft owns xbox xbox yeah microsoft pioneered cross-platform licenses for games that's that's a pretty understands gamers and understands gaming move right there yeah they don't get everything right 100 definitely not definitely not but they're they're definitely not complete idiots when it comes to engaging with the gaming community nope that's uh that's xbox one launched microsoft that microsoft is gone it's something you want to watch football it's like you're gonna play games like this you'd connect that was an entertaining launch oh yeah patharino says microsoft developed directx lmao yeah they they know a thing or two because they've seen her thing a thing or two yeah they've been around they've been around the block uh speaking of a group that's been around the block facebook had a bit of a bad week oh are we gonna talk about that uh we don't talk about it for too long yeah sure let's go fast because there's a couple things that i still i still want to talk about oled switch and my teamviewer saga okay we can go over this really quick they were down for i think it was like six hours uh publications estimated facebook lost somewhere between 60 and 100 million dollars over the outage epic um what was really great so like whatsapp instagram facebook all of it was down building access was also down because it's tied into the facebook platform so they couldn't get back in to like fix it i have heard i that's like verified this but i have heard that they had to like contact someone who had an angle grinder to like cut them into the building so they could fix it hilarious which is amazing that's all we don't even have to go into it way more than that but just like so funny um all right i want to talk about the oled switch okay have you seen it in person yet no it's not even even been possible didn't you guys get like a no we didn't get an early unit i think it's like on store shelves right now okay yeah love you nintendo but you you do a lot of things weird they tried to work with us for a little bit there yeah no they we did get one from nintendo oh just just like like a week and a half after like austin uploaded his video i'm like nice okay sweet i mean you know what honestly i can see why console makers do prioritize him he hits oh no he does a great console yeah um but i actually don't think that was like an organized strategy i think it was just nintendo being like just being nintendo a little bit yeah um so i tried it the bigger screen so much better like actually uh like i'm looking at it going i haven't touched breath of the wild since i beat it i'm like i need to jump back into i need to jump back into hyrule here i'm gonna yeah i'm gonna play some more breath of the wild um definitely i didn't try the new metroid game but i'm definitely gonna play it i've got a code in my inbox so i'll check that out and i had a lot of concerns about blowing up the size of the screen while maintaining 720p resolution i shouldn't say a lot of concerns i had some concerns it's okay it's okay it's okay it's fine i am disappointed surprised it's it's like i know you're saying it's okay but i'm surprised it's that bad i thought it was honestly gonna make not much of a difference it's not that bad okay well the thing is it doesn't make a huge difference it's just that if you have sharp eyes you probably already weren't a huge fan of the 720p display and the good news is that it's 720p rgb not pentile so if it was 720p but a pentile sub pixel arrangement i i was concerned about that but it's an rgb oled panel and it looks pretty darn good um the biggest disappointment for me i think is that the rumored technology they're working on with nvidia to use dlss like to use machine learning upscaling did not make it into this model what i wonder is if the rumored switch pro just isn't this if this is the new base model they upgraded it in some way so that they could do a pricing adjustment because the cost difference between the oled panel and the old one is not fifty dollars so they're basically just jacking up the price of the regular switch and maybe we're still going to get a switch pro that's that's kind of what i'm wondering i i have obviously it's cool be great to have one i have been not interested in purchasing one at all at any point because of essentially that i bought it not only is the i'm sure that's fine yeah not only is the the steam deck coming and that was kind of my my big purchase as of late yeah that's a big purchase but i just i i can't shake the idea that not only is my current one fine but there's probably another one coming yeah i i kind of suspect that there's another one coming because if you're nintendo you're all about charging a lot of money for things and this the oh yeah the switch is like a 300 console is it is it 300 or 250 in the us i can't remember bestbuy.com united states i typed in.com didn't i nintendo switch 339 339 that's got to be a canadian price yeah it's 2.99 299 in the us so the oled model is 3.49 349. now if i'm nintendo why don't i want a piece of that 500 console pie that's where the switch pro would come in and maybe it maybe it doesn't maybe you can't take it with you i don't know maybe it's dock only i have i have no idea what could be coming but with 8k tvs out now and 4k tvs basically mainstream for anyone outside of the very very bottom level of budgets i i think it's they can't ignore it forever i mean nintendo really does try boy do they ever make a solid effort to ignore technological advancements forever but uh i think i think they i think they're going to do something i think they're going to do something now i want to talk about my team viewer update i tweeted hey yeah i enjoyed this tweet i'm actually excited to see what happened i tweeted out of anger because something that i was doing related to the linux challenge was i wanted to set up what did i want to set up i wanted to know if uh parsec would be a viable way for me to enjoy games that i absolutely couldn't play on linux i would understand that that's a total hack because not everyone has two computers one that they can remote into but i wanted to know if if parsec would be a viable way for me to play a game that is not like uh is completely unplayable and i i didn't even know if parsec had a client and so what i wanted to do was i wanted to set up my work machine with parsec which i hadn't before i just have it on my home machine i wanted to install parsec on my work machine so that i could like try it so that i could install a client on my linux machine at home and i like try to do that because it's just you want to talk about uh streaming game streaming is part of the gaming experience now it's it's a possibility it's something you can do so i wanted to try it anyway i had to use teamviewer to get into my work machine because that's how i access it and the only reason i had opened it at all was so that i could install parsec i get this i get this pop-up and you need a little bit of backstory for why this pop-up is such a big deal tell us what you'll pay oh well this is tell us what you'll pay for a subscription and stretch the rest of your 2021 budget contact us okay let's break this down i have a perpetual license for teamviewer 2012. i paid i forget but it was more than 5 000 for the bare minimum number of seats that i needed because at the time we were using teamviewer to remote into an android device that was holding all of our two-factor authentication i'm comfortable talking about this now because we're actually doing things a different way now and it's better yeah it's it's better it's more secure and uh we're not going to talk about it because security through obscurity hopefully knock on wood but the point is that's what we were doing then so we had just had an android phone that was plugged in all the time went through a couple of them before we uh removed the battery on one before plugging it in all the time that was a good ah that was a good moment i i just thought they would have better battery management yeah i thought they wouldn't just blow up in like four months we had two of them do that yeah anyways yeah the point is um we used teamviewer was one of the only solutions in fact i think it might have been the only solution that was truly cross-platform where you could remote into an android device from a pc or mac and remote into a pc or mac from an android device and everything worked cross-platform so i was like okay this is a lot of money but it's a perpetual license no problem now with i think the next revision of teamviewer they switched to a subscription model and completely discontinued the possibility of buying a perpetual license of teamviewer now funny thing because they didn't want to have to maintain two different versions of the app on mobile devices a legacy one and a subscription one your old legacy perpetual license for desktop gets you the latest version of the mobile app because and that was just that was a cost-saving measure that wasn't because they were trying to be good guys but you know what a nightmare it is maintaining uh a mobile app it sucks yeah it's it sucks developers are expensive and and so they were just like okay forget it so on the mobile side you'll just get the latest one so right around that time teamviewer since then has semi-regularly reached out to me over every possible means of communication they have emailed me they have popped up annoying messages like this in my software that i paid for they have even called me at unreasonable times in the morning because they don't think maybe i'm on the west coast and i am not awake yet at 6 00 am my time they have called me completely stupid times of day to ask me to upgrade to a subscription version of teamviewer and my answer every single time every single time has been no and do not contact me about this again because i have exactly the functionality i need from teamviewer and there's nothing that you can offer me that would make me upgrade from the version that i'm using yeah all i need it for is we use it for um script remote script review for example like john's base down in north carolina so teamviewer is a nice way for us to both we actually both remote into the same vm that's running on the server here so that it has access to all the local resources that he works on and then we can we can both edit and stuff so it it does have a purpose it's a good tool um it's a useful tool it's a useful tool but i can already do that it does absolutely everything that i need it to do and so i i basically finally got frustrated because i was like i don't even want to use your software right now i'm just using your software to install some other software so i send out this this tweet i'm just like i was just kind of irate because i've been troubleshooting a bunch of stuff i'm working on the linux challenge zero dollars you vampires i paid for an effing perpetual license of teamvr12 stop emailing me stop calling me at eastern time o'clock in the morning and stop popping up this crap when i use the software i paid thousands of dollars for i tagged them i have never seen a tweet from myself anyway i've never seen a tweet that i've sent out generate this much animosity toward the subject of the tweet it appears as though absolutely everyone hates teamviewer yeah and the reason for it is pretty apparent because even the users who said hey why don't you just click oh you guys can't really see this but um oh this is not a touch screen uh whatever there's a little thing down here that says don't show this message again i was not the only one who noticed this and so a lot of people were like why don't you just click that and the answer is because it doesn't actually work that's why i'm so mad because i tell them don't call me again and they call me again i tell them don't email me again and they email me again i click don't show this message again and they show the message again it's extraordinary change it frustrating they show like a slightly different version or something so teamviewer teamviewer replied to my tweet teamviewer support got back to me look at this look at this at linus g sebastian hi we apologize for the trouble with the pop-up the self-opt out is available for licensed customers options advanced show advanced options under team viewer options untick the box for in-product marketing messages okay i hope this will help you all right i replied to teamviewer and this i didn't i didn't send out a full tweet like i just replied to them so probably most people haven't seen the best part of the saga it was like five grand or something can't remember it was a lot oh no this is for playing with someone else here that sorry proper tweet how about no pop-up why would i buy a subscription for something i own a perpetual license for maybe because i hate money let's play a game i'm going to click don't show this again and go see if that box is ticked oh wait it's not even there what it is not it is not there in the place that they told me it is because that button only exists in the subscription versions of team gear oh my goodness major major egg on their face big egg do they respond at all big okay so get this they do not reply to this tweet no of course not because brutal they got race this is like about the hardest i've seen someone get ratioed in a while they got ratioed super hard here did not reply because i'm sure i'm sure they had meetings like it's not it wouldn't be the first time that i complained about something and it generated meetings at a company being like how do we make this go away as fast as possible so i got a call um it did wake me up this morning i was gonna say was it early in the morning it wasn't that early i should have been i should have been up already anyway it was at like nine um and i ended up being late for work today so you know thanks teamviewer thank you for the wake-up call the point is i got a call this morning and they said hey sorry about that we have uh we have marked your account to not get any of these messages anymore here is my response team viewer wrong answer yeah because the right answer was not to appease the influencer so that they don't complain about you publicly the right answer is to tell me we have stopped doing this for everyone who has a perpetual team viewer license we have stopped harassing our customers who already gave us their money because they didn't give us enough money yet that is the correct answer it shouldn't be me and also i have told you to put me on that list and until you knew who i was you didn't do it which is the wrong answer so now i know for a fact the list does exist and that when you tell them not to put you on the list and you don't happen to be a youtuber they just don't bother can you go after them for can span because of that probably but it's not worth the effort yeah someone could though so i'm sure you thought that you were making me happy but what you actually did was demonstrate how terrible your business practices are for everyone else way to go teamviewer treating me special is just another way of saying that you don't treat your customers like you should yeah because if you know it's the right thing to do and you'll do it for me then you should automatically do it for everyone that simple yeah so eat a dick team viewer this segment needs to be clipped and shared all over it probably will be there's a youtube channel called lmg clips yeah it's absolutely fantastic we'll email you and tell you about it and i'm sure we'll call you in the morning just you know you might already be subscribed to lmg clips but i don't know if you're a member um so you know yeah uh this is great linus where's the framework uh jake told me i'm not allowed to use my daily driver lap shop lap shop laptop on when should i either cause i'll leak things yeah so i agreed with him that was a good he made a good call good call jake and so i'm not using my daily driver laptop honestly though we should just we should just both use frameworks on the lap on the lan show that'd be sweet it might not actually be the best because we need to run at standard resolutions for capture you know for our for our screens here and that display is going to probably look a little interpolated because it runs at a weirdo like um two by three resolution or something like that so it might not be it might not actually be the best for what we're doing but that doesn't actually need the whole desktop usually you're just showing a youtube video right yeah definitely grab it's more just that i uh like when you're looking at text so that you're you want to be running at the right native resolution so the capture card can support it properly and so when you're looking at text it's going to look kind of crappy i guess it doesn't really matter oh the capture cards the probably got it i got it yeah cause i was gonna say you can just crop it yeah i love you black magic but also you're not perfect uh okay so i think that's pretty much everything other than going through some of them super chat uh i missed the first few because even though i have submitted a bug report for this youtube has not fixed it so that's pretty cool hey i can share you guys on my my super chat experience uh you're you're amazing too thanks this is a super weird way for this to be formatted so that's pretty cool uh hey no problem cadillac bob heck yeah rapid fire um jd says can you say what happened with the madrina's partnership we don't really comment if if a sponsor screws over our viewers then we will comment about it but if it's just you know hey it didn't work out but let's agree to be friends then we're not really gonna we we're not about public drama dragging anyone through the mud maybe it was our fault maybe it was their fault i'm just gonna say that who knows who knows whose fault it was cool uh military says reminiscing about net linked i miss the host having their own spin when introducing the shorter news stories uh said more quickly than the others please have riley say central park he never says central park anymore that's true um detemp says the red hat logo has been just a hat not shadow man for two and a half years yeah but that doesn't change that it was the logo for over 10. uh thracker's odd regarding last man show if you're worried about running non-steam games i highly recommend lutris yes yes we're uh we're we're both we're both we're both at that point already i think uh scott says i was looking for a video about t-lines instead of a reservoir thankful for the old one ncix tech tips number two are t-line's still viable today yeah they're just a pain in the butt getting all the air blood out of the system with a t-line sucks if you're looking to save a buck though it is a good way to do it one of the reasons we used t-line so often back in the day was that the options for reservoirs were way more limited than they are now yes someone in the chat called me out for hands under the table again oh okay andres rivero says framework doesn't have third party resellers shouldn't devices like their laptop or steam deck be sold through multiple channels uh it helps solve the warehouse issue you spoke about and let smaller shops grassroots evangelize the product at local level so what it doesn't help is it doesn't help you be profitable uh by the time you run a product through distribution and through a retailer you can assume that you're going to be giving up anywhere from 10 to 20 of your margin on the product that the consumer pays for that directly a lot of the need to do that these days is also gone like we've looked at we've looked at having third-party resellers for ltt store.com products but the reality of it is we don't we don't mark things up like we we tend to go for really high quality materials in the stuff that we make and a lot of the time we'll end up spending an extra you know three dollars which doesn't sound like a lot of money but that's that's the margin that we could have given a retailer in order to get broader exposure for our product so for something like an amazon marketplace i think it ends up costing only marginally more if we maintain if we own our own inventory and it's just fulfilled by amazon but if you're working through like a brick and mortar retailer they're going to expect to make considerable margin on the product that we honestly just don't have and i suspect it is quite similar for the steam deck and for the framework laptop although neither of those companies have given me any access to their costs but like i said already though like it's i don't think it's really needed in the modern world online shopping is very easy and online shopping on individual stores like framework is also very easy um another thing to consider is that you might think that a store buying your product means that you improve your cash flow and it can but a lot of times especially brick and mortar is going to expect anywhere from 30 to 90 days i think costco demands six months uh payment terms so they have the inventory but you're actually still the one who owns it and the larger the retailer you're working with the more that they can put the screws to you if for whatever reason the product is not moving very well and they want you to make it go away so it can actually end up being very expensive to load a bunch of your inventory into a retailer if they demand and remember they hold all the leverage because they have both their money and your product yeah and the exposure that you need to reach your customers they they hold all the cards in that respect right so they could say hey look you need to give us 100 rebate for our our spring savings sale event because your competitors are doing that and they'll work you against your competition like that in a way that you're kind of looking at going well hey this like wasn't part of the deal we you know we're trying to make this device that's really different we're low volume and we can't really play this game i i would i would advise framework against taking that approach for the time being but not for obvious reasons like to be clear it's a very good question um just yeah i probably wouldn't do it they also have a tailored shopping experience i don't know which one they sell more of but the diy edition you like pick things right yep it's not usually very easy to do through other types of stores captain pepper have you thought about looking at new e-bikes or e-scooters it's been five years since your last e-bike video and they've been going through a huge boom you're right the the reason we haven't really jumped back into it is that i feel like there are creators first creators who service that niche really well and our big thing is that we don't want to jump into a conversation unless we have something to contribute to it and i just i feel like as someone who daily drives one you know taran is probably still qualified to talk about it but for my part i haven't really actively used any emobility products in a long time i was super into them and i wanted to try out every kitschy one that came out like back when i did that unicycle review like the electric unicycle and stuff like that but the reality of it is in my neighborhood and the places i go and the things i do it's just not really practical i'm just going to get in the car i'm going to jump on my motorcycle yeah um tanilu says can you upload the past gaming live streams to floatplane like your supreme commander and don't starve games uh there's only one that i think is missing and i forget why i didn't put it up i think i didn't end up with the vod for some reason oh um yeah mr wilson i remember my first linux experience i had experience installing windows and was stunned that on the first boot the desktop was the correct resolution without drivers it was emulating the gpu as a stop cap awesome idea yeah there's there are things that linux does really well in fairness windows also boots at the correct resolution these days now yes but definitely linux has been doing that better for for a lot longer very long time yeah uh aaron says if you're okay we're getting into a pretty heavy uh heavy part of the super chatness here um if your engineering approach is the user should just read the manual and learn to use it then you are not a very good engineer you might actually be an excellent engineer but what you aren't is a good ux designer it and it depends on what you're making right if you're making something that is specifically just for experts in the field yes that's probably fine yeah um and it might actually be better that way in a in a few different ways because you might have to oversimplify things to in order to accommodate that specifically better for noise new users user experience et cetera but yeah anyways uh rosalind seville has probably the best super chat of the day yeah linux is fine but it's no temple os that's true linux is almost nothing like temple os what you said was factually accurate uh this is another great comment under here so i have i've googled this but i haven't looked at the results yet um this is fantastic imagine someone makes a linux distro that was windows 7 like okay i've googled this but i haven't looked at the result yet here we go best linux distributions that look like windows linux light windows news seven users may not have the latest and greatest hardware so it's essential to use that it's lightweight and easy to use okay can i replace uh okay so hold on that which look like windows 11 and 10 for windows 7 users it looks a bit like windows okay oh you know what i was expecting one that is oh hold on hold on distros that look like the windows seven control f7 here we go man the number of like linux distro listicles okay mind you can configure it to be the same as windows xp windows 7 windows 8 or windows 10 alright linux community has got you covered but that's also one of the biggest problems that makes it extremely overwhelming to figure out which one to use oh man oh wow there's a lot i'm sorry guys i'm not reading all the super chat stuff um especially because some of it is just astonishingly stupid and i'm not out to antagonize our viewers i just i can't make my i can't make my head hurt enough the the amount that it would hurt just reading out what some of these things say um yeah okay cool okay what is this oh uh oh what's nick calling me for what's nick calling me for he must know he's gonna be on wan show hey nick you're live on wan show am i antagonizing the users too much they're not buying enough ltt store.com no no i was just gonna say uh the ufd stream is like one percent away from finishing so it'd be cool to send a bunch of people over there when you guys are done oh yeah what platform is it on um i think they're on youtube and twitch but i think they're mainly on twitch all right all right cool thanks nick yeah you can you can raid them yeah ufd ufd stream sponsored by linus tech tips yeah i'm not even joking it's fine it's sponsored genuinely is yeah yes um hey taylor says my new gpu from verified actual gamer program shipped thanks so much ltt team my 1070 died last week we're pretty disappointed with how high the msrps are of cards now and verified actual gamer program is pretty much uh dead at this point uh because it feels like msrps and scalper prices have just kind of yeah i missed our piece of rising like crazy equalized we did a really interesting video we shot it today where you know how one of the hacks to get a gpu for a while was to buy a system and then just flip all the other components so we did a cost analysis we went and bought a system at best buy and looked at everything that was in it and compared it to building your own and buying a scalped gpu and it was on par yeah yeah yeah they've they've closed all those holes um what was i gonna say i don't remember robert male says first time i've been able to catch a live show or vaude nice new set hopefully i haven't missed much you are so full of crap first time i've been able to catch a let robert say i recognize that name yeah you super chat every show let alone watching them uh sdg games is there an audio equivalent to the srgb color space wow as a creator what matters most to you when headphones are speakers well it's going to be it's going to be accuracy and then i think what you're kind of asking is like like what like the range of performance they might have is in that case you're looking at like a frequency response curve so you want something that is able to reproduce very low and very high frequencies but it's not like like srgb is kind of like it's the subset of all perceivable colors but in the audio spectrum we've had devices that have been able to reproduce the entire audible spectrum for many many years now so it just comes down to how well they can do it david champagne is a 2021 facebook outage survivor yeah i think i survived all right too i didn't notice to be perfectly the only reason why i knew was because i went to the washroom which is the only time that i ever used twitter and i opened up twitter and everyone was talking about it and then i made a like meme about how flow planes still up and then i didn't know that facebook was down while it was down i found out later yeah because i was like working i don't know if i actually found out during or after because i never checked because i don't care hey thanks ri oh just accepted an offer to join a fan company and started watching you when i was 13. dang good for you taking that money uh dusk pierce asks i sent this once but when you get the steam deck can you try it with an m cable you're going to have to remind me when it arrives i don't have i'm not logged into like my accounts or anything i don't have a convenient way to write this down right now but um yes um i'm very interested to see that as well oh nice fantu four fan 24 drr says i got two ltt store water bottles from ufd tech as he passed through columbus on his cannonball run very nice sweet very nice uh noki 1119 says hey timestamp guy here the last on-site wan show was on the 14th of december 2019 664 days ago do you miss the old set i'll miss luke's birds so that computer that we're running off of right now hadn't been turned on since january of 2020. so when jake turned it on there was like three hours of update we know how long it's been uh conrad in floatplane chat said i work for fang as well floatplane amazon apple netflix google lol that's a good one i mean with how much down time facebook has had i don't think they deserve to be a fang anymore don't get wrecked i think it's more based around the money but blackjack410 says i just subscribed to floatplane i don't see this stream uh it's on there it's in the live tab um and i wanted to yell at y'all and ask how long i have to wait to buy a freaking screwdriver [Laughter] wounds a little fresh um a little fresh i got a call from nick before the show the screwdriver is very delayed it's like it's it's delayed it's like new year delayed at this point um has to do with the power outages in china pushing work back to taiwan where we're manufacturing a number of the parts um and other places being pushed back to thailand other places being pushed back to taiwan as well we explored the option of having some of it done in canada but um while the steel stuff could be done here the manufacturer we're working with for the zinc housings is not confident that the zinc work could be done here um and it was so it would add i think about 10 11 of cost we would have to produce the things in taiwan then we'd have to send all the materials so we'd have to send all the materials to canada then send them back to taiwan to be assembled then send them back here so it was going to add other delays like like logistical delays even if they could work on it which is a big issue right now just throwing that and i think it was going to add a cost of about 11 a unit we're already doing some of the production in canada we're doing final assembly we're doing all the injection molding uh here like it's not like this is just over cheaping out and we're just trying to do everything at the lowest possible cost it's just the the the taiwanese manufacturer that we're working with is not um is not able to get a lot of the materials that they need to produce it and that has to do with shortages and challenges going on really acro well across the world really oh boy yeah so it's gonna be it's gonna be a minute yeah that one was a little fresh uh xp bill says linus why is your name pronounced a little differently than linux even though it is only one letter different please very important question uh because linus torvalds is finnish i think yeah finnish and so his name even though it's spelled exactly the same as mine is i think usually pronounced linux so linus linux linus because i'm not finnish and i don't speak anything other than trying to make a new distro uh like if i was linux [Laughter] yeah i'll do uh i'll like fork arch or something linex art arch linex linux yes that's very helpful thank you luke all right i think that is pretty much it there's there's hannah montana linux yeah why can't there be linus about it i think that's pretty much it for the uh the lan show today we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel we may be in person next week depending on how much progress luke and i have made on our our streaming aspect of the linux challenge uh we'll probably be back to in person after that but i think a wan show is a good acid test for just how well we have each managed to get our streaming setups working we might do we might do it a different way maybe we both do like a simultaneous stream on twitch one night or something like that and maybe we just do man show here i don't know we'll figure it out thanks for tuning in we'll see you guys again bye [Music] oh oh oh we got a raid ufd hey how do you how does one raid you slash raid space and then their channel name so slash raid space ufd but it's disciple so uf disciple uf disciple okay so did i did i do that i think okay there it goes all right all right all right see you later guys yeah you're doing it yeah [Music] [Music] okay we are still live on kitchen float plane but i have cut the

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Length: 134min 43sec (8083 seconds)

Published: Fri Oct 08 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/cangria]

Just finished watching the whole thing -

imo, everything they talk about are super fair points & I hope it pushes Linux development to improve the new user experience a lot! It's encouraging how they said Linux/their distro is working a faster pace than Windows. They seem pretty positive about Linux's future!

I'm really looking forward to the constructive criticism in the upcoming videos, too.

[u/Leicharben]

He has a unique setup in that his PC is in another room and uses thunderbolt to connect to his monitor and peripherals in his actual office. On the other side, Luke has had an incredibly easy time by comparison with things working a lot better.

It's pretty safe to say Linus is using KDE because he brought up that the DE prompted him to open something in Kate, and later he acknowledged chat who guessed the distro correctly. I also think he's using the Fedora KDE spin but I really don't know.

Edit: It's 100% confirmed he's using Manjaro. They said so later in the stream and additionally they had another stream (VOD is only on Floatplane, a subscription service) from Linux playing some Cave Story. They're having a lot of issues and have both said the end result of this challenge isn't going to be "switch to Linux now everyone". Next WAN show stream will be over Linux, and they're both keeping a list of issues they're running into to air in the video series

[u/SnooPets20]

Honestly, that KDE thing where the show desktop button is actually just for showing it, and clicking anything else brings anything back is stupid af. I mean, it's pretty easy to fix, you just right click on it, select the show alternatives button, and you choose the other one that actually behaves like you want it to, but why does the first one even exist, and why is it the default?

[u/darsparx]

I'm interested to see how it goes. Last time I really loaded up games it went really well and that's been forever ago since I moved my desk around and haven't rebooked up my desktop. I'm not confident to game on my e495 since discord and browsers pin the CPU.

I'm just hoping they discover lutris and everything else. Especially now that eac should technically work....

[u/danielsmith007]

I'm confused. Linus posted a story on YouTube stories showing that he was installing Pop OS. So he's set up KDE with Pop?

[u/KirottuM]

Timestamp?

[u/TheYang]

It's interesting how they talk about a "non-technical perspective" of the new user experience, when Linus, who had by far the most trouble, has a really technical setup.

Should it work? sure
Should (some) explanations be better? certainly!

But I'm not sure that the guy who's trying to run a turbine-driven car is the best to take basic driving experiences from.

Curious if they'll acknowledge that in their Video...

[u/salivating_sculpture]

Why did he try to make it sound like an issue with Github is a Linux problem?

the best part is that on Linux, file extensions don't mean file extensions. File extensions mean a helpful little hint about what might be inside it

Bro, have you never used Windows before? It's the exact same thing. Github has that same behavior on every operating system and neither Windows nor Linux make any attempt to enforce the contents of a file based on it's extension

[u/Alex_Strgzr]

This whole choosing-the-distro-stuff is a bit ridiculous. Only technical and adventurous people go about installing their own OS, and the “market” caters to what the want (choice). A normal user that gets their device packaged with Android, Chrome OS, Ubuntu or Manjaro doesn’t ever think have to think about this stuff. The real problems are hardware and software compatibility, and familiarity.