How The Food Industry Is Slowly KILLING US - What You Need To Know! | Calley Means

We are Becoming sick or fatter more depressed more important based on our food we would expect the health care and our Medical Systems to be ringing the alarm Bell on that but they're silent because they're profiting what's happening I see it as a real assault on our brains and ability and our innate ability to understand what's best for us in common sense and really an assault I'll just be direct on our children's bodies I mean this is just just to Ram home the points it is an orchestrated effort to basically confuse us from something that's manifestly obvious which is we are getting sick because of food leading doctors leading journalists are literally saying we don't know the causes of childhood diabetes and childhood obesity it is because of food President Clinton it's the food stupid I will take it a little bit a little bit more more direct too again reading your books and just just kind of using common sense it's actually and there's a lot long tail you could go down but the foundational things that have happened or actually I believe relatively simple our food has gone from a natural to a predominantly highly processed diet and we have added three ingredients that did not exist 120 years ago into our diet we have added added sugar it's gone up so by some estimates 100x and 100 years particularly for kids added sugar wasn't really a thing 120 years ago that's gone up exponentially it's a foundation of our food as we all do highly processed grains highly processed grains were invented uh in the early 1900s these are new inventions the processing as we all note takes out the fiber takes out the nutrition the fiber blunts the glucose impact these are weaponized these basically turn in and our glucose bombs and then of course you know seed oils seed oils were invented in 1909 as an industrial byproduct you know from Rockefeller in the oil and and all on all the industrial work they were doing this this is like car grease basically yeah and this is much cheaper than good fats but we never we used to be almost predominantly right anti-inflammatory fats as you talk about a lot now we are eating inflammatory cheap processed fats it's not complicated we're being obfuscated let me tell you like like this is by Design This Is by Design to take away our own sense of Commons you know just just ability to know what's best for ourselves and it's working you recently spoken out and had a treat that went viral about your role in helping shape the policies for soda Industries to manipulate authorities and poor against their own interest by having them oppose soda taxes and in my book food fix which I wrote in 2020 came out in March 2020 great time to publish a book I called out a lot of things that that you are now talking about and I think it's important to have people understand that and we live in a world that seems to be based on kind of Science and evidence and Good Will and policies that um are intended to help people but in the end they're often manipulated and governed by industry uh particularly big food big Pharma and big AG that have really corrupted almost every institution politicians social groups in uh professional associations under research institutions medical schools and has really unfortunately um led to huge amounts of confusion in the public and it's kind of a shell game in a way where people are just totally Bamboozled by conflicting data information public messaging and and what's happening in the middle of that is that we've seen an explosion of chronic disease and obesity in this country when I was born in 1959 five percent of Americans are obese now it's over 42 percent chronic disease was not as prevalent and now we're seeing you know over 50 percent of people having diabetes or pre-diabetes we're seeing 40 percent of kids being overweight we're seeing we're seeing the Verizon health care costs and exponential rate we're seeing all these things that that seem to be exponentially moving forward while we're spending more and more money on drugs and surgery and things that really don't seem to be working so we have to kind of fix it uh and and I want to just start with a a quote uh from an article in critical Public Health that's entitled how food companies influence evidence and opinion straight from the horse's mouth and this was based on uh foia investigations Freedom of Information Act investigations that got emails from major companies including Coca-Cola and how they work and how they manipulate people and and the quote from the paper is is this they said the results from this investigation provide direct evidence that senior leaders in the food industry advocate for a deliberate and coordinated approach to influencing scientific evidence and expert opinion and I would add also uh public opinion through social groups and we'll talk about what those are the paper reveals industry strategies to use external organizations including scientific bodies medical associations things like American Diabetes Association Academy nutrition dietetics and tools to overcome the global scientific and Regulatory challenges they face meaning they are influencing policy this evidence highlights the deliberate approach used by the food industry to influence public policy and public opinion in their favor Cali you were in the middle of all this you were in the room where it happens as they said play Hamilton in the room where it happens so tell us about your early career where you found yourself working at the heritage Foundation I interned there and then worked with them to produce some studies and you you helped through the quote research to help shape policies that would actually lead to The increased consumption of foods and drinks that are killing us so talk about what that was like what you thought at the time how you worked what the industry asked of you and how these groups that are quote independent think tanks are controlled and influenced by the food industry well food and food and Healthcare are the two largest industries of the United States so at the time you know this is all normalized um with the benefit of hindsight you know having you know read many of your books and having Dr Casey means as you mentioned who's been a warrior on this issue you know it's very clear in retrospect what I witnessed and what I witness is a devil's bargain that I think is the most important issue in America right now which is that we are unequivocally becoming sick or fat or more depressed more infertile based on our food and we would expect the health care and our Medical Systems to be ringing the alarm Bell on that but they're silent because they're profiting so diving into what I saw because I think what's resonating is I did see actually how this was systematically weaponized I think we all know maybe it's rigged but I think it's empowering to understand these stories and these stories are a little bit depressing I think we're going to go over but I think let's let's look at this from a from a empowered standpoint because I think understanding how this system works is the first step to actually taking control your own health so I can go a little bit into the food and then we can get to Pharma yeah I mean let's talk about it because you know I think um there's been such a coordinated strategic effort yeah by the food industry and I wrote about this in food fix to control the research I mean the food industry funding of nutrition researchers 12.4 billion in in from independent research it's 1.5 billion so almost 11 times more funding from the food industry when a food industry company funds research it's eight times more likely to show a positive outcome from their research in review over 206 studies was published in the plos medicine which was published in 2007 so we have such evidence that this this system is rigged and corrupt and is is pushing the wrong strategy and the we we uh you know we saw an accident it's not it's not like oh they're they're just kind of you know doing marketing of their products and trying to you know move their companies forward and advancing their profit margins which you know everybody has a right to do but it's it's a deliberate attempt to create subterfuge that confuses the public and it influences their behavior and confuses scientists confuses uh policy makers confuses social rights groups and everybody who is trying to like kind of make a better life for themselves and find out what to eat and what's right or wrong or food fix has changed my life brought into Stark relief my previous experience and really did convince me in many ways to devote my life to both trying to solve this with true Med but also speak out about these issues so I think you bring up a really interesting point and I think what we're being asked to believe I was debating a a leading obesity doctor recently who's pushing pharmaceutical treatments for obesity and she said she said kids are being lazy she said she said we're becoming she said we're becoming lazy and the medical system just has to treat that so we're being told is that Americans are systematic essentially trying to kill themselves that 80 of Americans are basically out of their free choice or obese or overweight that 25 of children teenagers now have pre-diabetes that 50 of American adults have pre-diabetes or diabetes that 93 of Americans are metabolic dysfunctional now we're all and we're kind of buying into that the medical system buys into that it's kind of it's kind of present throughout how we hear about the American patient and I can tell you I don't believe that's true I don't think parents are systematically trying to you know Miss their children's wedding and playing with their grandkids I don't think parents are systematically trying to see their kids be obese uh which 20 plus percent are and 45 are over a weight or obese so I I think but as you allude to it is systematic so what happens let's get down into brass tax so early in my career I saw a Playbook and the Playbook is around rigging systems of trust so rigging systems rigging systems that means who are the stakeholders the stakeholders are individual Americans they're policy makers they're the medical community and what is the goal the goal of food companies somewhat understandably is to make food cheaper and more addictive so who do they need to rig who do they need to pay in order for that to happen and let me just go down the list because this this was a this was the Playbook I saw and I've talked about this before but you know the specific issue I was working on was in 2011 2012 Coke was trying to maintain sugary drink spending with food stamps a nutritional program that is 115 billion dollars that 15 of the American people depend on for nutrition it's the preeminent nutrition program for low-income Americans the number one item bought on that is sugary drinks 10 of all food stamps funding and 70 goes to processed food this is not the case 40 billion servings of soda from the poor it's a material portion of coke and Pepsi's Revenue it's I think it's the it's the largest profit Center for Coca-Cola in the United States which is a government nutrition program for lower income kids and by the way a lower income man in the United States dies 15 years younger than a man at the upper income bracket and that's because of nutrition so this program this subsidy right we say it's personal choice right this is one example of a government program that's shifting billions of dollars to highly addictive weaponized drinks and food that have limited if not negative nutritional value I would argue negative I'm sure you would um these are diabetes bombs these are these are weapons of massive soda as it feels a surreal it's reach and reach into the Godfather of who I've learned from on these messages but so does a nuclear weapon for diabetes um so coke was trying to keep this on and again in the room it's not we're all evil it's well let's you know these kids it's very patronizing actually these kids need their soda they love the soda these lower income kids it's one treat they have we can't restrict choice of course this isn't about restriction choices about keeping government money funding Coke so what is their playbook rigging institutions of trust so I've talked about the civil rights groups I think this was one that was shocking to people but it's it's very true and happening today if you call someone racist and racialized the debate quite frankly it does shut down the debate and the Heritage Foundation the nwcp was on the list and millions of dollars exchanged hands and there's reporting the New York Times at the time where the debate was really racialized it was actually racist to take away that soda uh from lower income folks think tanks I've talked about think tanks are very important DC and really purchasing studies on the left and the right was very transactional as you mentioned I worked earlier in my career at the Heritage Foundation them and other think tanks pay to play the media tell me more about the pay to play what does that exactly mean they yeah so I think I think this is I think we all maybe high level you know when we see a study oh who funded it let me just tell you let me just tell you and I'll Loop in think tanks and research institutions when you see a study from your favorite think tank or you see a study on the news from a leading University I am telling you most likely that study was funded by unimpressive people sitting in an office in Washington DC the these PR offices there were lists and there were strategies to deploy billions of dollars of research funding to achieve goals with the case of food that goes to foundational research studies like a study from Harvard that you've mentioned numerous times that was the foundation of the food pyramid that study said that sugar does not cause obesity we should shift to a higher carb diet that led to the food pyramid that's still happening today there are still studies coming out at universities Elite universities today saying sugar it's it's unclear whether it causes obesity so it's for specific outcomes like that also a strategy I just have to say of the food companies is just to deploy money to nutrition studies the fact that there are so many studies actually is the point we're all confused about nutrition right now we have a new news article and new you know on the Nightly News every night about a new nutrition study saying a different thing you know my my recommendation is that we cut all funding for nutrition studies and give everyone some of your books with simple principles the blood sugar solution or which are from the National Institute of nutrition that actually is properly funded and spends billions of dollars on doing good nutrition research that's independent that and I I also think there's just simple principles it just it's just let's limit sugar for kids but this obfuscates that debate so it's a really conscious strategy you talked about the kind of conscious weaponization of this this is not complicated if there's a bunch of studies from Harvard you know and other top universities that say different or even differing things that confuses the debates it does another thing we did I'm gonna I wanted you to go on in a minute but I want to pause to sort of highlight an example of what you're talking about because this is you know from the annals of internal medicine one of the Premier Medical journals out there the title of the article was called the scientific basis a guideline recommendations on sugar intake a systematic review right so it seems like an objective review of the science on sugar and and this is what the conclusion of this paper was from quote experts guidelines on dietary sugar do not meet the criteria for trustworthy recommendations and are based on low quality evidence Public Health officials well when promulgating these recommendations and their public audience when considering dietary Behavior should be aware of these limitations in other words there's no evidence that sugar is harmful and we should be not promoting this through policy and consumers should not change their behavior because of any public perception that sugar is bad for you because according to the data it's not this study was funded by the international Life Science Institute which is funded by Coca-Cola General Mills Hershey's Kellogg crafts McDonald's Monsanto Nestle Pepsi Coke PepsiCo Procter Gamble and the lead author of the study is on the board of one of the largest makers of high fructose corn syrup so what do we do like when when this is in a like this is like the New England Journal equivalent of a stud of a paper that kind of revealed the conflicts of interest in the conflict of interest section but nobody reads that and they hear the headlines that Sugar isn't a problem I can tell you that that might not be on the radar of most people that document is I think one of the most violent documents in America right what we do is we fund those studies and that's immediately right taken to politicians now let's not forget and 78 of U.S states the largest employer is either a health care outfit or a food seller Walmart which is the largest so the there's huge pressure on these lawmakers and when they have a study like that from the New England Journal of Medicine that gives them plausible deniability right there is blood on that study what do we do well you know thinking about this humans are the only animal that get chronically obese that have chronic diabetes like that we have an innate ability right to to know ourselves what we should be eating you know a baby born today isn't isn't lunging for processed food they're one they're lunging for natural food we have been addicted and corrupted by these studies so what we need to do is step one and we can talk about Solutions in a bit but step one is really Embrace really Embrace this really Embrace that the elite levers of American Medicine are being weaponized additionally the medical groups you know you talked about this in food fix but I saw this in 2011 2012 again in public relations offices there's lists of professors and I think this is very important um the way you can get into policy and the way you can get into federal guidelines and the way you can get into drug approval and the way you get into policy is you can pay directly the medical organizations and professors let me take that one by one let me start with professors so the NIH research and academic professors are able to take both personal payments and of course their currency is research funding as you mentioned 11 times where research funding comes from food companies than the NIH right so we're literally able to like donate personal payments and and fund the research for these academics and then when we form policy for instance the nutritional guidelines those aren't government bureaucrats they appoint outside experts yes right so you know recently in 2020 the nutritional got this is these dietary guidelines the dietary guidelines for Americans these are this is the foundational document that's guiding nutrition for our kids 95 had a conflict of interest yeah so you're able and this is very known this is this is very strategic you are able to pay these folks and I just ask and this is just common sense for everyone and it's very simple like be empowered to just like use common sense here if somebody's being paid millions of dollars for their research personal payments is that impacting their psychology even if the study says there's there's no this doesn't impact then they don't the studies all say that but but these companies I can tell you from experience the pr consultants in Washington DC funneling billions of dollars are not assuming there's arms length companies don't pay billions of dollars which is what which is what these processed food companies are paying for research out of a philanthropic Goodwill to advance unbiased research they want something okay it'd be against their fiduciary duty to spend that money yeah well it's true I mean there was a follow-up paper in Public Health Nutrition in 2018 where they looked at 133 studies from 2001 to 2013 and they found that 82 percent of independently funded studies showed harm from sugar sweetened beverages but 93 percent of Industry funded studies showed no harm yeah and I think I think it's tough you know taking it to listen to where I used to be you know I I went went to Harvard and and you know tried to rise up the elite ranks like Casey and you know felt very proud of that and felt very trusting of these Elite institutions you know telling us what to think I think it's very understandable for Americans to defer to the New England Journal of Medicine and Harvard studies and government studies right I I just think and I think people are waking up postcovid but these are nothing better than PR documents and and relatedly interesting it's not science it's public relations oh these these studies it was it was dispiriting looking back on this and as you outline in food fix these studies are being directed by unimpressive PR consultants in Washington DC you know I think there are a lot of very dedicated researchers and and part you alluded to this beginning part of the I think Beauty in a way of the system is that most people at most levels are good people doing good work they're conducting nutrition research even the coke Executives you know we're trying to get cheap calories in in the folks hands everyone can go to sleep at night but the end result is evil the end result is that we're getting sicker fatter more depressed more informative because of food and it's very very simple um another thing just related to the to the kind of buying off the professors who then go on the FDA panels who go on on um you know the nutrition guidelines is the medical groups um no I saw this firsthand and this isn't complicated but you know these medical groups the American Diabetes Association the American Academy of Pediatrics there's obesity groups you know on down for every specialty they are able to accept and are actually chiefly funded through outside funding totally and you have um back when I was working for Coke a direct donation strategy from Coke and other processed food companies to institutions like the American Diabetes Association imagine that the American Diabetes Association has accepted millions of dollars from Coca-Cola which is diabetes water the American Diabetes Association had a Coke logo on their website they said small cans of coke might be a good option to this day they say Diet Coke which is microbiome disrupting is might be okay or is really recommended what do they get was Dr lustig pointed out and this is just absolutely shocking to me Intel 2018 the American Diabetes Association said that as long as you're taking your drugs as a type 2 diabetic as long as you're taking your insulin and Other Drugs you can eat the diet you want yeah which is insane you'll see just you know use more insulin but eat more cake right I mean it's true these professional societies are definitely co-opted there was a paper published by John i-90s from Stanford that was in circulation basically saying that professional societies should abstain from all authorship of guidelines and disease definition statements and why because the American Heart Association received 182 million dollars in Industry funding and the European Society of Cardiology got 77 percent of its funding from industry Academy of nutrition dietetics gets 40 of its funding from the food industry which is insane so this is why you know you think you're looking up to trusted organizations like the American Heart Association American Diabetes Association American Academy Pediatrics which is recently recommended surgery and drugs to treat obesity in kids which we're going to get to it it really is it's kind of driving so much confusion because you think oh well these are independent groups these are looking out for our welfare these were not government groups these are not industry groups but essentially they are and you know you mentioned the dietary guidelines it's not just that the members have conflicts of interest under uh president um George W bush the guidelines were changed from the recommendations from the scientists being used as policy to Shifting the final choice of what goes in the guidelines to government bureaucrats and and not only bureaucrats but government industry appointed kind of people who are basically in the revolving door from working with government and Industry so that's really pretty frightening um and I think that we're unfortunately seeing amazing amounts of influence on on our dietary guidelines in fact under uh president Trump there was a woman um who was a policy advisor for the dietary guidelines who previously worked for the corn refiners Association and the snack food Association of America who it was kind of in charge of the dietary guidelines which doesn't make any sense well the acts AG secretary after AG secretaries is generally a food industry lobbyist I'm I'm on my personal campaign on Twitter that you should be act secretary um and be pulling this uh we need people like you in there but it's totally co-opted and I don't fault that I want to say it's I don't fault like like you fault them it the end result is evil we're all I mean trillions of dollars of budget and and you know crazy rates of chronic diseases we talked about but you can kind of understand why the food companies in and of themselves want food cheaper and more addictive where the devil's bargain comes in and what I also saw is the healthcare industry stands silent in profits yeah I mean it is it is a beautiful sort of system of of quote free enterprise which is very free because the cost is so huge but you know we basically uh you know uh Wendell Berry said this we have a uh a food system that pays no attention to health and a Health Care System pays no attention to food and I think they're they're mutually reinforcing each other the worse our diet is the more our Health Care system is utilized the more profits there are and the financial incentives are all perverse I think that there are there are movements within Health Care to create value-based health care which means you pay for outcomes instead of just doing stuff right the more hospitalizations I mean if a patient's in the hospital to get an amputation they give bypass whatever that's how the system makes money but if you got paid for keeping people well that changes and that that's starting to happen but it's too slow and I think it's it's really there's a lot of pushback on making this actually the way we run things which is about based on value creation which is better outcomes and lower costs yeah and and I really support the efforts that value-based kind and agree those have been too slow but the reality and was very clear to me working for healthcare interests and and you still see this very much today and we can go into specific examples but is that very simply put every lever and I would say every lever of healthcare today predominantly makes money when they're intervening on sick people the the the incentives of Health Care is for more more people to be sicker for longer periods of time and I don't think a person at a Pharma company or medical school dean is strategizing and trying to have more people sick but that is what it's paying their paycheck and it is happening and speaking on this Mission I've been on speaking to senior people in Academia in medicine and insurance they say they're very disheartened because this is absolutely unmistakably where the incentives are and I think you see doctors talking to Casey doctors have among if not the highest rates of burnout suicide and depression among any population any profession I believe Casey believes that's largely because these are some of the smartest people in the world most mission-driven people in the world who are realizing that the patients aren't getting better that they're actually incentivized to put Band-Aids on and not actually cure the root cause but this is unmistakably the situation you know when I was working on the food stamp issue right and Coke was working you know kind of unforgivably to have um government subsidies continue to go to diabetes water the American Academy [Laughter] um the American Diabetes Association diabetes water um it is diabetes I mean it's a weapon of mass destruction for diabetes and uh you would expect the American Diabetes Association to be in that debate the American Academy of Pediatrics is 25 of kids are getting pre-diabetes nowhere to be found but right now right now when there's as you mentioned a drug that's about to get approval for teens and adults for obesity now that so many people are obese oh they're speaking up and you know what's happening right and just taking the case of Pharma you know let's look at Chronic conditions let's look at kids and I have a son going to this you know it's one year old and it's really inspiring me but looking what the buzz side that kids are going into I think it's like over 20 percent of college students are on Adderall a methamphetamine created by Nazi Germany to make soldiers more effective and actually discontinued because everyone had psychosis it's the same same drug it's actually more powerful Adderall 20 plus of college students are on that we spend 250 billion dollars on Cancer Treatments cancer rates are going up we spend a ton on Metformin diabetes is going up we spend a ton you know the most prescribed young in the country ssris depression suicide you can go down the list statins heart disease going up now I mean one in three dollars in Medicare is spent on Diabetes of the trillion plus dollar budget so it's real and and what's happening is it's it's waiting this is just how the incentives work you the medical system waits for someone to get diabetes they do not speak out about food stamp funding they don't speak out about grain subsidies you know in corn Subs if they go to fructose they don't speak out that there's not a sugar limit in school lunch programs that are funded by federal and state dollars of dollars yeah they're not speaking out on that they wait for someone to get diabetes and then as you've pointed out over a trillion dollars is going to somehow to diabetes management so this Playbook is playing out uh very well with this new Olympic drug which I think is something we can maybe tangibly dive into and explore the Playbook on how that's used yeah so it's really the case with sort of pretty much all of it and I think you know whether it's the media with commercials and advertising or whether it's sort of a celebrity that uses something and then it catches fire you know ozempic for those who are listening don't know what that is it's a it's a peptide it's a semi-glutide it's a something called the G lp1 Agonist and essentially what it does is impact your hunger and make you feel full and and eat less um it also improves you know um insulin regulation so you can actually regulate your blood sugar a little better so it helps with diabetes and this is a diabetes drug which can be helpful in some diabetic patients but the cure for diabetes is not a drug it's food and this drug is now being promoted as sort of the next best thing for weight loss and with Gobi which is a same drug with a different name that's sort of FDA approved for weight loss these drugs are enormously expensive I mean they're about Seventeen hundred dollars a month and if you look at you know the the 14 15 million kids that are overweight in this country American Academy of Pediatrics is recommending this drug as a treatment you're talking and do the math it's you know 15 million kids times twenty one thousand dollars a year that's 3.1 trillion dollars a year for a drug that you have to stay on for life and what if we just gave people food I mean think of that 70 a month and yet Studies have shown that giving families twenty four hundred dollars a year for food has saves 100 plus thousand dollars in health care costs per diabetic patient and has dramatic improvements in their biomarkers of diabetes why aren't we doing that yeah so some people listening might logically think that oh well if we prescribe more and we produce more than big maybe prices will go down that's not how it works in healthcare so actually because the Pharma spends three times more on lobbying than any other industry five times more than the oil industry there's a revolving door as we know between the FDA and Pharma the former FDA share is now the on the board of Pfizer actually legally Medicare and Medicaid are not able to negotiate drug prices so that so there's not price controls for a drug like this so you assume right that that trillion dollar you know multi-trillion dollar estimate sounds ridiculous no no healthcare is the largest and the fastest growing industry in the United States right now I come from Tech where usually Innovation means lower prices better outcomes yeah it's the opposite with health care we again I'm going to repeat that the largest and the fastest growing industry I think we hear about the growth of Health Care and the GDP percentage 20 now it's going to be 40 in 15 years our eyes gloss over we hear that so much it is growing at an increasing rate and there is an absolute full court press using the Playbook and I'm frankly impressed if it wasn't so tragic how well they're executing this Playbook their goal is to get government funding for this drug trillions of dollars as you said if you really do the math and and they're winning and I actually think this is you know we hear about the corruption I think driving into this it's something every pair current every American I should actually be very concerned about I think we're actually at a Monumental moment right now where are we going to see obesity again which is a root of metabolic dysfunction was it a symptom of an ecologist's function are we going to continue to see that as a whack-a-mole thing like diabetes like heart disease like all these things again the more drugs for every chronic condition we prescribed the worse things get because the problem is food making us metabolic dysfunctional showing itself 15 percent of kids have fatty liver disease right now right obesity is just one branch I mean there are kids now who are getting liver transplants as teenagers because of fatty liver from drinking soda right I mean 15 of kids I mean I remember being in an obesity pediatric obesity conference in Atlanta and I was there with Bernice King Martin Luther King's Daughter who was really really deeply cares about this issue and I met this guy there who was a pediatric gastroenterologist and I'm like I'm like what are you doing here and he was like well you know fatty liver in kids is real and we're seeing kids as young as five years old 15 years old who have severe fatty liver disease fatty liver disease sounds like whatever who cares fatty liver but it is a huge risk factor for cancer for heart disease for early death or diabetes and and it's uh affects uh you know 90 over 90 million Americans so this is like a big deal and and yet you know we're just not addressing this as a society because we're kind of Bamboozled by this sort of Blitzkrieg of Industry efforts both Pharma and nutrition industry and food industry that are co-opting our our politicians our academic institutions our professional societies our social groups like the NAACP creating front groups like genetic literacy project and the international Life Science Institute and crop life and all these wonderful sounding groups American Council and science and health right I mean if you Google Mark Hyman and and the American Council on science and health you will think I am the craziest right wackiest manipulative lying doctor on the planet I should be in jail according to what these guys say about me Mark you're you're espousing to your audience a very subversive message which is that we we have cells and that we should think about how the one ton of food we put in our bodies each year impact those cells the fuel for our bodies how we should look at sunlight how we should move how maybe those simple metabolic habits should be the foundation of Health you know you from you to Joe Rogan who talks about those Concepts every day the F the FDA and the NIH and medical schools are trying to shut that down I mean that they're going after War there's a war on podcasters who are talking about looking at the sun exercising and eating healthy this is a disruptive heresy this is a disruptive message and you know going to my previous days in Consulting now you know there's there's millions of dollars funded to tick tock and other influencers and a massive can you you probably see it some of the nutrition conferences a massive campaign both funding researchers and Tick Tock influencers body positive you know to say that talking about any type of food being bad is stigmatizing food and a bad thing to do and apparently what I'm hearing is in a lot of their nutrition circles that's what into based on donations that we stigmatize food that's a coordinated effort as well right and calories we shouldn't demonize anything kinds of food and right yeah but I think I think again this can get very high level I think potentially if I could go through the Playbook yeah real quick you're talking yeah for example the semi-glue and by the way this it occurs whether it's the food industry the farm industry the AG industry manipulating our public opinion our policy makers our social groups pretty much everybody and this is exactly how it works so tell us yeah no this this ties it together I think with the food and farm of the devil's bargain so let me go into this so you can you kind of set the stage well um so ozympic would go be you know semi-glota these makers I'm gonna I'm gonna single out ozempic which is which is a lead on this they want this drug to get to as many folks as possible um and ideally have the Medicare Medicaid taxpayer funding for it the Tam is very large the total decibel Market 80 percent of Americans are adults are obese or overweight okay and at the JP Morgan conference in San Francisco recently they're saying this is on track to be the highest selling drug in American history because of that large Market size so what do they do Novo nordics the parent company has paid 30 million dollars a year direct payments to doctors now I saw this too you could have direct Consulting fees four hundred and twenty thousand individual payments to doctors the whole field of obesity medicine is new and there is not an obesity doctor I think you could identify in this country that isn't on the direct payroll of this drug let's look at a more important Financial incentive this new field of obesity medicine what happens if a patient learns how to eat learns how to manage the metabolic health and gets healthy there's no intervention to do the entire Foundation of obesity medicine is having a patient for as long a period of time to do interventions on okay so ozympic is an absolute dream for this field Because the actual label says it you have to be on it for life take it forever right I was talking to a leading doctor at Harvard the other day and she said no no no you don't understand Cali you're not in medicine obesity is a lifetime condition it needs lifetime to care she said that to me okay well it's true if you if you live in a certain Paradigm of the beliefs we have about obesity that it's you know not our fault that it's genetic that it's some some kind of disease it happens to us like we get cancer yeah it actually it's it's not induced by the food industry so so so they it's very much within obesity medicine's incentives just looking at SIMS not getting personal here it's a dream drug in that respect because even if the person gets thinner it's a lifetime injection and actually there's unknown and very serious metabolic effects if you go off this drug okay so what happens so there's paid 30 million dollars to doctors huge funding to the medical associations including the American Academy of Pediatrics huge funding the med schools themselves in the Obesity clinics themselves huge funding to the front groups uh of BC medicine that makes the standards for obesity medicine and then Pharma is the number one um funder of most news programs in this country so what happens this culminates a couple weeks ago in a 60 Minutes piece amazingly Pharma ads ran before and after this piece and they had a doctor from Harvard Dr Fatima Stanford she went on yeah undisclosed that she's been paid a lot by this company and that her Clinic is really counting on this approval to have lifetime patients and a huge financial problem there they said it was an unbiased doctor she literally said that eating and movement and personal choice did not have much should do with obesity that it is a genetic condition she was not pressed on that program about how this genetic conditions only popped up in the past 50 years well yeah I mean you literally can't make this out well I think what's interesting is it sort of just sort of from my perspective is that our genes don't change so the idea that this is a genetic mutation and somehow all of a sudden we become prone to obesity because of some genetic reason is a little bit ludicrous because genes don't change in 40 years maybe they change in 40 000 years but what does change is our epigenome and our epigenome are are the tags on our genes that determine which genes are expressed so we might have obesity propensity genes and because we're adapted to starvation but we don't actually um have to turn those on if we avoid the kinds of insults that are ramp in our society that process food and junk food that I've talked about for years so when you look at the epigenome yeah our in uterine environments our early life influences of eating junk food or environmental toxins all these influence our epigenome and they do predispose of more to obesity for sure but that's a reversible problem our epigenetics is not fixed and that can be changed I mean I talk about this but I was born 12 pounds you know which which uh is a sign that my mom and potentially me had metabolic is funding growing um and I talk about this you know my mom you know had that had high cholesterol Statin had high fasting glucose metformin had high blood pressure pill I wish these were seen as warning signs this is the kind I think key point is that yes that might be happening kids actually are being in neutral the answer is not to drug that to everyone that the answer is that's actually reversible and obesity in and of itself actually isn't the problem obesity is actually a warning sign I wish that my mom having trouble losing weight having me after giving birth to me and having me as a high baby which is a sign of metabolic function I'm a big baby a big baby yeah I how much did you weigh when you're like 12 pounds you weighed 12 pounds and everyone was celebrating everyone's high-fiving 12 pounds so that's that's a that's called yeah that's a condition that's very serious it's really related to the mother having high levels of blood blood sugar that causes these big babies that have to be more by C-section so my mom was congratulated by our doctor she had trouble losing weight after the pregnancy was just signed a metabolic dysfunction and these Rites of passages right the stand in that form and the blood sugar you know the the blood pressure medication these were all just oh it's fine here's the prescription I think it's something up to getting to 40 of men over 40 understand right this is not a big deal these are connected warning signs so that what's happening very strategically right now is there's money going to the American Academy Pediatrics there's just obviously just a Stranglehold from the drug companies on these obesity medicine things and there's this all-out war right to Define obesity as this isolated condition as this isolated condition that you really don't have much control over just as most diabetes doctors say oh bad luck diabetes oh bad luck heart disease this is normal or you know take a Stan they're defining there's a war right now to Define obesity as this thing we don't really have control over this thing that we're just kind of given the thing that's just kind of bad luck and what does that do then on the Harvard website on these obesity clinics website there is a all-out push this 60 Minutes stuff all this news all these doctors they're they have one mission which is government funding if obesity is defined as a disease then it's like oh you you a government can't tell a doctor patient you know can't restrict you can't legislate what um medications a doctor can prescribe once it's a it counts right and these it sounds ridiculous you saying multiple trillions of dollars that is very much in the cards they the government cannot restrict the price right they set the price that price will stay that's not you don't have Market forces in health care right so it's going to be astronomically expensive and then this is the key this is the cute part you'd think it's just for obese people you know the 95th plus percentile no it says on the label and what the American Academy of Pediatrics and other health groups that are totally bought off are pushing for is that it's obese and overweight wink wink if the uh you're overweight into other uh interventions have failed all the patient has to do is check a box and say dietary interventions failed of course they're going to check that box there's trillions of dollars of incentives against them being healthy Okay so so you have a situation okay now then let's step back let's imagine we were an alien coming down to earth didn't understand our Healthcare System and saw the problem yeah we see 80 of people obese or overweight we see basically our country being crippled by essentially food-based illnesses eight out of the ten colors of Americans 85 Plus of healthcare spending goes to preventable food basis you would never in a million years that smart alien they would never in a million years say okay it's a public policy let's wait for everyone to get sick and then give them marginal drugs they'd say let's fix the food system and the calculations you did this is an insane amount of money if you took one-fifth of that amount you could go across the street to Whole Foods and buy organic you know yeah obese child in the country it's true if we literally paid for food as medicine right Health Care insurance dollars a whole system would shift and we'd save literally trillions of dollars in healthcare expenditures that's right just one study that was done by Geisinger in Pennsylvania they looked at food insecure diabetics and they instead of giving them better drugs or better quote Care Management which they were getting they were poorly controlled diabetics they are food insecure and they were struggling and so instead of just telling them you know what to do or what to eat they gave them food they gave them 2400 of food a year which which sounds not like not like a lot but they were able to get the meals for like 65 cents and they were much healthier and much better for them they gave them some education they were able to drop the health care costs in that group from about 240 000 dollars per year per patient to forty eight thousand a hundred and ninety two thousand dollar savings per patient while reducing hospitalizations and adverse outcomes like heart attacks by 40 percent and reducing the hemoglobin A1c more than any drug can do which is the average blood sugar and yet you think this would be headline news you think this would be this is the biggest drain on our economy right now is obesity and diabetes it's the biggest line item in our Medicare payments and you think this would be like hey we found the solution The Cure and it works better than anything else and yet for literally about one month's cost of agovi or ozempic you could give people free food for the year for them and their families for for five days a week it's really amazing and yet we don't do that and right now we're working in Washington and I'm working on a bill it's called medically tailored meals it could be a 500 million dollar study right in 10 states 20 medical centers using food as medicine giving medically killed meals to chronically ill to see the impact on Health Care outcomes and costs and I hope we can get that bill passed it sounds like a lot of money but it's a drop in the bucket when it comes to you know what we spend on health care and diabetes uh right now home a foot soldier in the fight here Mark and I know I'm so excited about Young Forever coming out but everyone listening if they haven't read food fix needs to read it and um you know I'm on the war path with you I'm so excited about this bill and um luckily through this Crusade I've been on you know engaged with the number of of lawmakers from both sides and we've got to do this I am optimistic I actually do think it's so untenable what's happening when you look in a classroom I I really like it as a new parent you know I don't want to I want to be there for my Sun um you know as he grows older and not get a chronic condition and then I think it is absolutely shocking what's happening um what's happening to kids what's happening to kids um so Kelly tell me from your perspective being on the inside and and working in this space and having instead of going to Harvard Business School understanding you know the way the economy capitalism works and government works being on the inside of think tanks like the Heritage Foundation you know this isn't a bipartisan I mean this isn't a partisan issue this is a bipartisan issue you know we all are humans we all have bodies we all are sick and you know obesity doesn't discriminate whether you're a right-wing or a left way you know and the the real question is you know uh not about whether this problem exists not about the manipulation of science public opinion policy professional association social groups by the food industry and Pharma it's how do we solve this what's really needed from a legal and policy perspective to fix this rig system and and then what do we do about it because people are seeing are probably outraged I certainly am that's why I wrote food fix I mean I wrote I remember thinking about I wrote food fix in 2020 was published in 2020 in 2005 I wrote a book called Ultra metabolism my second book and I'm on my 18th book which basically talked about the toxic Triad a big food big Pharma and and big Ag and that was even before a lot of this crazy data came out so how do we navigate a future that looks different that helps solve our obesity crisis it helps solve our our corrupt food system to help solve our corrupt uh Pharma and Medical Health Care system what do we do let me start high level and take it down so I think the foundation of public policy in my head it should be around think about a child's cells um right now that child has subsidized poisonous food we have no health care until they get sick and then when they get sick we have all these incentives for as they grow older to continue and not learning about metabolic habits about food you know we literally give them statins metformin nowozymic and it literally the message of those is you can still eat what you want and we're not learning foundational habits right so I think that's the high a high level like like framework so then you get down it's like on food it's like how do we incentivize healthy food I I refuse to believe this idea that people just want to eat the crappy food like crappy food is heavily subsidized um you know whole food is is more expensive so you start and there's some simple things everyone should be arguing for but it's like where are we subsidizing bad food we spend tens of billions of dollars right now on subsidies for what you mean for agriculture or you mean for SNAP or food stamps well let's go we spend we spend tens of billions of dollars on agriculture subsidies with subsidize the grains and the corn that turn into fructose and highly processed grains so that's one area let me just give you a little anecdote on that I had a dinner with the vice chairman of Pepsi years ago it's no longer there but he was an endocrinologist a diabetes specialist from Mayo Clinic who by the way had diabetes himself and uh and I said to him why do you use high fructose corn syrup and Pepsi he says Mark the government makes it too cheap for us not to use it right and we know that people say oh it's no different than sugar it actually is because free fructose is extremely dangerous for your metabolism and drives fatty liver insulin resistance diabetes and even though it doesn't quote raise blood sugar it has all these other harmful effects well my understanding too Mark is that it um it shuts off your hunger it makes you want to eat more um it shuts off your your appetite appetizers yeah suppressing hormones yeah as I think David promoter book you have here drop drop acid talks about and nature wants to be found another great book but but it literally is weaponization it makes you want to eat more so we're subsidizing we're subsidizing that corn that turns into high fructose corn syrup which is weaponized sugar right so so that's just issue number one you know if I'm a parent if you're if you're listed as an outrage and want to get you know into this policy fight this thing we should do number one is stop the agriculture subsidies as you point out in the food fix just point four percent at last count of Agriculture subsidies go to fruits or vegetables they're considered specialty crops so just as a fundamental policy instrument we should be fixing the externalities right now it's totally back which we're literally subsidizing with direct agriculture subsidies the foods that you can directly tie to trillions of dollars of Downstream health impact I mean I think you know in my mind it's a little a little bit of a complicated issue whether or not you know getting rid of uh the supports for agricultural crops that are producing these raw materials of high fructose corn syrup and soybean oil and junk food flour and wheat the truth is the cost of these Foods is far more than we're paying at the checkout counter the true cost of food according to the Rockefeller Foundation is three times what we pay so you pay a dollar for a can of Coke let's say the real cost is probably three dollars or maybe for coke maybe 10 or 20 or 100 when you're taking all the effects so we're not actually having a true free market system if we were you know having a true free market system we would pay for all the embedded costs in whatever product we're producing whether it's oil or whether it's sugar and we don't do that and so these these products are artificially priced very low right and that's driving increased consumption so you can buy most places a two liter bottle of soda cheaper than you can buy a two liter bottle of water right how does this make so many subsidized ingredients right yeah so I think with the grain that's just an easy place to start before we talk about anything even potentially polarizing like bands or taxes like let's not even go there let's stop subsidizing we should as you said just economic dictates that if these foods are producing trillions of dollars of Downstream negative Health impacts costs and just decimation of human capital and form of diabetes then you should price those externalities in that their soda should be more expensive not only do we not price those negative externalities in we actually subsidize the products themselves so I'll just take off a couple more right we yeah three paper uh you know multiple times of corn we pay for the corn to be grown we pay for the downstream Economic Consequences of of the you know and this and the environmental consequences of climate change as a result of our farming practices we you know we're not paying for the damage to all the waterways from all the nitrogen fertilizer that's used it destroys our waterways and kills all those sort of fish we're not paying for the economic cost of the pesticides and the harm on human health we're then paying again for using these products in the pour through the subsidization of of food through food stamps and snaps so we're basically spending huge amounts of money buying those foods and paying for them and sense for the poor and then on the back end we're paying for Medicare Medicaid to take care of people who are sick from eating those Foods so if you actually got the true cost of what would be to actually embed the cost of the corn production and the downstream products from that it would be you know staggering we'd be maybe paying a hundred dollars for a can of soda yeah so so that brings me to a second thing which is a little bit outside the political sphere but I think very important is so this final tweet about Coke's practice of the food stamps um of coke what of my viral tweet about the coke food stamp rigging of the system my initial tweet that went viral about exposing that uh Bill Ackman who's a a very wealthy famous hedge fund manager retweeted that and said it is due time um that basically billionaires step up and other folks to fund and help catalyze class action lawsuits against Coke and Pepsi um such as like we have with uh tobacco and with all the tobacco lawsuits were about is that they were consciously basically rigging the system knowingly and producing really disastrous economic externalities I think the same thing is happening with sugar big sugar right now big soda except the only difference is that the impact on Americans is an order of magnitude worse yeah and I do think you know as I'm talking about and I think is manifestly clear there is a conscious rigging of academic institutions of civil rights institutions of you know Coke also pays a ton of money and a huge amount of effort to have soda machines in schools 80 of high schools still have soda machines yeah I mean they have reduced the sugar sweetened beverages in them but they replace it with like you know artificially sweetened drinks or juice or chocolate milk well I'll tell you I was recently you know giving birth to our son uh in a pediatric Ward it was full it was full strength uh coke uh in the vending machines in the Pediatric Ward and my understanding is that the majority of pediatric Wards still have full sugar Coke and there's that's a very yeah that's a very um calculated effort right to normalize these things and institutions of trust so I do think there's a Playbook and there's actually very interestingly um I've been lucky to see this effort and appetite from leading lawyers to follow the tobacco Playbook and I do think that's a good free market and I do think that is a way a system that we have you know to price in those actionalities I mean in the year 2000 not that long ago Philip Morris if you look at the most valuable companies in the world I think it was top ten I mean it was one of the most valuable companies in the world um you know they've really fallen from Grace I think appropriately as the extra knowledge were priced in it was interesting a lot of the food companies and tobacco companies were the same companies RJR habisco you know or um [Music] they were really in the same business and use the same tactics well now the processed food companies are merging with farmer companies so it's just a fully getting sick and then and then you know Monsanto Bayer on down so what people don't know is that health insurance companies big Health insurers are are by fast food companies stock top to actually hedge against their losses I mean it's a politically integrated system so so I think as they maybe lose money with people being sicker they make money by people eating more junk so it's a whole screwed up model yeah yeah no it's it's it's insane um but yeah so I'm hopeful on that the third one I'll say and and this is also I think where public pressure matters and just one sidebar here mark on public pressure and I've been meeting with a lot of lawmakers and a lot of policy makers who are somewhat pessimistic about this movement being changed I think we're all kind of concerned about money in politics and the money these industries have there's one thing that counteracts money for a politician yes being paid by these industries helps its Grassroots effort if they get a lot of calls a lot of interest from voters that is the only thing more important than money yeah so a third thing that I think is very important Grassroots efforts but a third thing I think that's very potentially steer Grassroots effort is a very simple point about government guidelines a very interesting stat and a very interesting principle I found doing this work is that people actually do listen to Medical Elites you know when the Surgeon General in the 1980s said hey let's cut down on smoking and made a clear voice on that which by the way was 20 years too late just like we're saying now it was way late but you need to understand the 1960s six percent of all government revenue came from tobacco taxes there was huge financial incentives there it was one of the most these were some of the most largest companies right yeah so you had a late a late assertion from the Surgeon General smoking plummeted smoking plummeted from there in the 1990s with the food pyramid it was disastrous that was a violent document to our metabolic Health but we that changed Behavior we followed it we we followed you know we followed orders with I certainly did I was like oh pasta yeah every night right and you know we follow I think we saw a lot of you know her mentality around covet so we do for better or worse listen to Medical authorities and I will just say this and and I do think this is a big part of the solution and and I want everyone to kind of understand why the hell do we have the FDA and CDC saying 10 sugar consumption added sugar consumption is okay for two-year-olds that is what we're saying right now it's insane we literally have I mean the world it was interesting I don't know if you know this but it's kind of to kind of loop back on this under George W bush Donald Rumsfeld who was the defense secret time you know went to Geneva to meet with the World Health Organization to tell them that the U.S would withhold 400 million dollars in their annual funding for the World Health Organization if they went ahead with their guidelines for sugar intake for adults and children which was to take it from 10 to 5 percent so they they basically blackmailed the World Health Organization the U.S government because of the industry push to prevent the World Health Organization from lowering its recommendations to five percent which really should be zero right well there should be no recommendations for sugar it should be a treat it should be known as a potential toxin poison and you know I think if if you want to have it occasionally fine if you want to drink a glass of wine right the last tequila once we're all fine but understand that this is a poison that it's a drug that it's dangerous and that you should be careful with this well I'm a Libertarian I think most drugs should be legal I enjoy a nice glass of wine um you know I I don't think we should be totally puritanical on this stuff what I think we need to do is understand that sugar is a highly addictive and very dangerous drug and it's not it's it's not a drug that should be subsidized when you add up all the programs 100 billion dollar plus right and this ten percent this ten percent thing what a what a joke what a joke let's give ten percent wink wink recommended or approved for two-year-olds so you give a two-year-old a highly addicted of drug you expect that to stay at 10 percent have you seen any kid even the most well-meaning parents it is literally like a kid's you know a day with it with a three-year-old these days is like a meth addict looking for sugar yeah it really is it's very disparating and a lot of my friends and I'm very I'm really trying to prevent that but when you addict a kid to a highly addictive drug which is literally what sugar is what what a joke so so I I do think and we we look for it and the biology of this is clear it's not hyper no I like to say that these are addictive compounds we know from uh Dr David little of his research at Harvard and others that the these sugar compounds in food affect the nucleus accumbens in the brain which is the same Center that gets triggered by heroin or cocaine or nicotine or alcohol well so physiologically the dopamine receptors and yeah I'm glad to hear that you affirm that it seems very clear that it's very similar to drug I recently posted something on Twitter where you can actually tie the amount of deaths for for each drug right and sugar is by far just factually the highest killing drug in the country much more than opioids you know far more than zero of LSD and psilocybin which we stigmatize so it's just like right it's just like you know and actually the ones at the top the ones at the top sugar is by far and away the most it's the legal ones it's alcohol it's methamphetamines which we provide to kids in the form of Adderall so so it's these things we actually subsidize and then drugs that are more stigmatized go down but then opiates of course which 90 of opioids come from a prescription pad and then people see seek it illegally so we have it totally backwards and I just want to say this and I think and I actually am chatting with some some folks that I used to work with in DC and uh who I think are on the right side now and some um various interests you know true medicine we're trying to solve the issue but we really want to just be at the Forefront I want to spend the next 20 years 30 years of my life talking about this issue and I do think this is one area where we can have Grassroots support the the guidelines for children for sugar should be zero period we have the guideline committee coming up right Fatima Stanford at Harvard who I mentioned who's on the payroll of Olympic is on that committee we literally have doctors right now who are saying that obesity isn't the result of eating or exercise on this committee we that is a big fight if the government says that if the government says we shouldn't be having sugar for kids you'd have Monumental impacts because that affects school lunches school this is not Nanny State stuff we should not be subsidizing encouraging drugs for children as as young as two so that is a big one we we should do um I think just from a public policy perspective we should be asking and attacking this incentive the core incentive as we talked about is that 95 of healthcare spending go to interventions once people are sick yeah we fundamentally have to work and support and ask our members of Congress and research and advocate for that prompt do not be fooled do not be fooled by politicians and folks saying about improving access that is a ruse the problem with health care right now is not that don't not enough people don't have access to drugs and our broken system like if there's acute issues if somebody has an acute issue that's life-threatening of course we need to have health care for them but I really do think this whole debate about access it's not access it's the fact that the system is broken that is the core problem with Health Care the problem with Health Care is that so many people are getting sick how do we stop that and the way to stop that is just again pretend you're an alien coming down to earth and when you're thinking about Healthcare policies and think about dollars being spent we're now waiting for everyone to get sick we need to and there's I I'm having some interesting conversations I think more people are realizing this but we need to look at the four trillion dollars for spending on Health Care realizing that 95 is behind the curtain once you get sick and we need to slant that to more food as medicine programs to keep people healthy I I don't like this box of preventative health people talk about with food you know whenever probably you talk to people about oh yeah there's some Community preventative programs you know food is the best reversal as well yeah you put food up against you put food up against a stand you put food up against metformin food is that it's not put it in this Niche preventative box you know Casey talks about when she used to do dietary interventions you know for for patients when she was a surgeon who had a migraine which is clearly metabolically tied or a lot of these inflammation issues her boss said to her looked in the eyes and said don't be yeah and that is how the medical system sees nutritional interventions it's true the order of magnitude of impact from food interventions for people who have advanced disease is so much greater right Pharma interventions right I'm agnostic when it comes to treatment I will use drugs or surgery or whatever the right treatment is and you know if if I can you know maybe get someone's blood sugar A1C down by one or two points with a drug I can get it down by six or seven or eight points with food and that that just there's no there's no contest it's not like it's not like it's like maybe 10 better or 20 better it's probably tenfold more effective we've got to make that point and have policy fall that food is not in a preventative lifestyle bucket it is a serious medical intervention and again let's it's not anti-drug it's not pro-food let's take every condition we're facing and ask how can we spend money to both prevent and reverse and reverse the the data coming out the studies on Alzheimer's reversal the studies on obviously diabetes reversal which many quarters say can't even be reversed anymore the the Obesity obviously heart disease kidney disease Cova deaths I mean you have to follow those trillions of dollars that we spend in policy and move more towards that yeah I I really applaud what you've done Cali to educate people to be out there in the media to be running around when you have a kid and a business to run and actually talking about these issues when you have you know other things to focus on that are your primary concern but you you are kind of a new and very loud and very powerful voice in this conversation that's raising awareness where it has been raised before despite many other people talking about it so I I really applaud what you've done I think you're bringing these issues to light I also think that you're highlighting things that actually need to be done we need to get the conflicts out of the funding for medicine and food research we need to get the conflicts out of the professional societies we need to kind of create some kind of transparency and Regulatory awareness around how these food companies manipulate social groups in public opinion and we need to develop real strategies around changing food policy which is what the food fix campaign and non-profit that I created to actually educate lawmakers who by the way are often very well-meaning but don't know much about this issue not not because of Any false to their own but because they're only hearing from the food industry and so you know as they begin to become aware of these issues we've met with over 75 lawmakers in Congress both sides of the aisle we have incredible awareness and supporter on this now and I think there's the potential to really change this conversation it's not going to be an easy fight I think the the food industry and the agriculture industry and the farm industry are funding huge amounts of Lobby efforts and and are influencing lawmakers in ways that I think are really unfortunate but I I do think there's a sort of an opening and there are people like Cory Booker from Buchanan who's now the chair of the health subcommittee and the Ways and Means Committee uh people like Jim McGovern you know Senator Marshall from Kansas uh Senator um Senators I met with from Arkansas um booze man and others are very clear that we have a problem and then we have to deal with this both from an economic perspective a social perspective so whether you're a Democrat Republican left or right you know this is affecting every single one of us every one of our families all of our children and it's it's a national crisis and I think that that it needs to be like that just like we had a you know a massive effort to address a cobit imagine if we spent a fraction of that it's all crippling fraction of that and we spent like what three or four trillion dollars dealing with covet if we spent a fraction of that on just dealing with these issues around changing our food system around fixing some of these policies we could really make a huge effort and create a society that's healthier that's happier that's more globally competitive or we're not crippling our future generations of kids both mentally and physically shortening their life expectancy and you know where we're also as a side effect improving the environment and climate and doing so many things as a result of fixing the sort of embedded problems on our food and and Healthcare Systems it's so obvious to me it's the first order issue it really is I I thank you for saying that you know as a doctor obviously I'm very focused on this but as a you know businessman as a graduate of Harvard Business School I mean as a former consultant Heritage Foundation that you're getting these ideas out there and talking about this to me is is one of the greatest things I've seen in a long time thank you Mark and if I could just give you one quick story is that okay yeah let's do it um I uh when I really decided to make this my life's calling I bonded a year and a half ago with a guy named Justin Mayers who was working in Tech and had his own health issues and solved them through food he started a company called Kettle and fire leading to a Roth Company perfect keto and we literally said we literally in these early conversations so we didn't have a company we were just kind of brainstorming how we could both have impact and we said we want to bring your like Mark Hyman's Vision to life we want to be foot soldiers in the mission that you have been tirelessly fighting for and I I really mean that um we both uh food fix was one of the most influential books we've ever read like how can we be foot soldiers in this effort so I see you know I appreciate what you said but I see everything we're doing as connected you know this company the mission of this company is we want to at the high end uh call this out you know Justin scene within the Food Systems my political background you know I think a lot of people don't talk about these Dynamics because of the financial consideration operations and their paycheck is paid by this we want it to be in a place where we could call this out and be foot soldiers of your movement and then you know getting the solutions I really do think this FSA HSA these accounts that give a consumer's Choice 140 billion dollars to send them most people don't optimize them I never use them but that's where we need to move to you know having your own account these tax advantage money and we said we simply ask like it's simple it's a question you phrase but it's how do we incentivize better behaviors yeah and these are actually you can use these accounts um you know we kind of expect to use them on drugs it's for when you get sick no if you have a doctor's note if you have a recommendation from a doctor I think your clinics do this sometimes you know you can actually purchase food and exercise if it's substantiated with studies right that that can be a good reversal or prevention and of course it is yeah of course so so so that's that's that's what we're doing trumed.com to kind of try to solve this but yeah we're in the swipe for what we kind of got amped up to voting Our Lives to do is is continue communicating and exposing as best we can the the issues that you've been at the Forefront on and it's really an honor to be able to to to communicate these and it really is you know it's it's it's looking backwards at my mom I want less I want other people to prevent their parents from dying early as of a metabolic condition that's preventable and looking forward you know it sounds trite but like I am concerned about this world my son is going into and I think a lot of people feel that way and it's um yeah it's just it's just a real gratitude to be able to communicate thank you College what are you doing keep going keep fighting the fight thank you uh keep having the conversations that matter if you love that last video You're Gonna Love the next one check it out here obesity is just a marker for the problem it's not the problem itself in fact 20 of obese people are metabolically healthy that will live a normal life die at a normal age not cost a taxpayer a dime we have a

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