How Nvidia Tricks You to Waste Money (DON'T GET FOOLED)

apple and Nvidia they might not like each other but Nvidia is starting to look a lot more like apple every single day and no I'm not talking about how Nvidia releases the same GPU every generation like how Apple releases the same iPhone every year it's the same phone as last year with USB I don't know better cameras that's kind of it and I'm also not talking about their market value what I'm talking about today is this you start off with the Mac Mini it's only $500 like wow that that's a freaking deal it has an 8 core CPU a 10 core GPU but it has 8 GB of memory and only 256 GB of storage well you can get another version of it that costs $700 you get the same 8 core CPU and the same 10 core GPU but you still get 8 GB of memory and you're paying $200 for only 256 GB of storage but you're like oh I really want some more RAM if you jump up to $1,200 on a Mac Mini you can get 16 GB of RAM and even at that point it's like oh there's an M2 Pro you might as well just get the Mac Studio at that point come on guys so yeah we all know Apple we all love Apple they're they're the best company in the world they hold just enough from you at each tier of product that you're enticed to upgrade to the next one to solve the the problem of the one before it but then they mark up their prices extremely high which leads me into these graphics cards the RTX 470 the 470 super and the 470 TI super and these cards exactly replicate Apple's strategy let's dig into it right after a quick word from our sponsor ug green sent me the revvo do 210 and I was like what how is there two HDMI ports four USB ports an SD card reader an Ethernet Jack and 100 W power delivery all on one us USBC cable this thing has got to be magic so I got to test it okay a mouse is easy let's try two monitors holy crap this one over here is 1080p showing up as 1080p is 1440p it's showing up as 1440p you can also have the displays extended like this two displays duplicated and have one playing on the side or you can duplicate all of them and do something like this which is absolutely trippy but it works you see that Wi-Fi symbol though let's see if we can fix it nice and that's gigabit speed man n SD card external SSD up to 5 gabit per second all running at the exact same time a controller too and you can get even more flexibility with u green 6 Port and 13 Port adapters the 13 Port one even has an audio jack all these are banging check them out in the link in the description now I want to actually get back to using it in my setup all right let's go this idea actually applies to all of nvidia's 40 series lineup but I picked these three in particular because well I own them and because gpus are expensive first let's look at the actual pricing of these cards the RTX 470 right now is going for about $530 which is honestly a pretty good price as has come down from MSRP of $550 now if we look at the 470 super we can see that it's at about $600 right now okay so it's a $70 markup it's about 133% more expensive than the original 470 then the 470 TI super is going for about $800 right now and at times it's actually going pretty regularly for like 820 bucks and that's the numbers that I'm going to be using for this video it's 37 % more expensive than the 470 super and the 470 has 12 GB of vram the 470 super has 12 GB as well and then the 470 TI super has 16 GB of vram this will matter remember that but where the story actually gets interesting is when we look at the performance of these cards against each other and first up let's look at the 470 and the 4070 super and Remnant 2 at 1440p Native on high settings this is a u5 game it's pretty freaking demanding the 4070 super is 15% faster and that does Net you a good amount more FPS in this game it makes it smoother and better Resident Evil 4 1440p native on prioritized Graphics very nice and well optimized game here the 470 super is 19% faster and that bumps up from like 120 FPS on the 470 to like 140 or so actually a little bit more than that on the 4070 super now let's look at Allen wake 2 14 40p with dlaa which is basically native 1440p on high settings the 4070 super is about 15% faster gets over 60 FPS while the 470 is stuck under that 60 FPS Mark now if you turn on dlss quality in this game the 407 super it doesn't really stretch its lead all that much it's 12% faster now with the quality settings but it does allow us to get close to 100 FPS with this graphics card which feels pretty freaking good when you're playing a game all you console game Gamers cannot relate to that PC Master race let's go in cyberpunk the 470 super at 1440p Native on high settings without R tracing or anything is 21% faster in The Last of Us Part One 1440p native on ultra settings it's 10% faster so not as much in that game but on average the 470 super is about 10 to 20% faster over the original 470 but in in a lot of my tests it's airing more on the side of about 15 to 20% faster and you're probably like vex me boy it's only 133% more expensive but it's 15% faster that's a bargain and U you're right the 470 super like it's pretty good value I'm not going to argue to not get the 470 super over the original 470 a lot of the times you're actually getting close to like 20% more performance but let's look at that silly little thing that I mentioned earlier vram well both of these cards they only have 12 gigabytes and in quite a few of these games honestly we were getting close to pushing that limit we're not quite there yet and also in R tracing titles that these Nvidia cards are so hailed for doing better in well these games use more vram to utilize that R tracing and it might end up becoming an issue if games start asking for more vram in the future only having 12 GB especially at 1440p this could lead to to stuttering bad performance or straight up crashes if you run out of the stuff like the 470 supr it's $600 and it's good value at that price but it's got this this little killes heel that kind of kills its uh longevity for the future of this card conveniently uh Nvidia they they offer an option that that solves all the that problem like it fixes the 470 super completely they offer a 16 GB graphics card called the 470 TI super it's just like how apple is holding that carrot on a stick just Out Of Reach like you just want a little bit more but you can't quite get it you got to pay more you got to get the the DLC pack in order to get that carrot I don't know what this analog is turning into Nvidia is doing this with the 4070 TI super is it worth 37% more you know besides that vram type thing well let's see when it comes to the performance and a plague tail requium 1440p on Ultra quality scaling mode on high settings this game is absolutely gorgeous like do you just see the character model it's like wow it's so detailed they they just killed this and this is even like a huge Studio or anything I don't know I'm just gushing about this it's a good game it's 27% faster in this game versus the 4070 super so that 37% difference in price is looking pretty good here and in power world this is an Unreal Engine 5 game but it doesn't use nanite or Lumen or anything this is at 1440p Native on high settings 29% faster in this game is good too but honestly out of games I tested that's about the end of it in Allen wake 2 1440p with dlaa high settings it's only 11% faster here way below that 37% that's needed to you know justify that price difference cyberpunk 1440p native on high settings 133% faster jant an Unreal Engine 5 title that honestly shows Unreal Engine 5 with nanite and lumen but runs well and it's probably because of the pretty uh low polygon kind of style here it's only 133% faster in this game yeah so that's not that good so the average works out that the 4070 TI supera is only about 20% faster than the 4070 super and that's nowhere close to 37% more money that it's asking you so yes this card does solve the 12 GB vram Problem by having 16 GB and I'm glad it has 16 GB at least this card isn't going to be possibly bottlenecked into the future depending how games go but that extra performance it does not make up the price Gap if you aren't using that vram it doesn't really matter and what matters really is the price of the card so is it really worth it then also let's look at it from another angle this isn't $800 plus GPU that is a lot of money to spend on one piece of of your computer and remember games are mostly for entertainment oh or pain on this $800 plus GPU can it play games at 4K it can um sometimes it does it well sometimes it doesn't and it's usually on the most demanding games it's not doing as well at 4K it is $800 plus can this card do all that crazy R tracing stuff that Nvidia hails so much for not really sometimes it's it's better than the 470 super but it's not blowing me away with its performance it's it's decent like this card is fast it's just is a $800 fast you know what GPU would be better to do that 4K gaming and that rate tracing type stuff on video's got another card and that's called the RTX 4080 super oh boy did I clip I think I clipped you see where I'm going nvidia's got another card that solves the issues at the 470 TI super has it is a much better 4K graphics card it can handle like really heavy rate tracing in a lot of the games at the 470 TI supera doesn't quite have the performance to deliver in but now the 4080 super is costing over $11,000 but you see how Nvidia can do it again with their next graphics card each of these gpus they offer just not enough 4070 it's leaving performance on the table so you might as well just spend an extra $70 and get more with the 470 super the 470 super well it only has 12 GB of vram shoot is that going to even last a few years into the the future I don't want to get a graphics card that's going to be dead and not be able to play the latest games in just a few years the 470 TI super it's got 16 GB but the ti super doesn't even always have the performance that you would want to get out of an $800 plus GPU and you've already gone this far you've already spent over $800 on a GPU you might as well just stretch up to the RTX 4080 super and get all that and you can call it predatory obviously we all have a choice on what we're going to spend our money on but it feels like that they're making you spend more than you would like on a product like this it's a big purchase and you want to get everything you want out of this product right you don't want to spend this much on a graphics card or for Apple's case on a computer you don't want to regret your purchase right if you if you think that Nvidia doesn't plan this out very meticulously then you got to be dumb like I don't know what's going on up here you knock and it echoes okay Nvidia carefully and meticulously organizes their pricing performance and say like vram or feature compatibility with certain graphics cards in order to walk you all the way up the pricing stack and yeah this stuff is pretty yucky it's a little you might be wondering AMD they also make graphics cards do they do the same thing not really I don't see this with AMD so if you compare something like the 7800 XT versus the 7900 XT there isn't like this at least to me this strong pull to upgrade to that other card I mean the 7900 XT is a better 4K graphics card and the 7800 XT is geared towards 1440p so if you want to upgrade you can they they're like $200 apart they're not close enough to entice you to make that leap the only area that I think I've seen AMD do something that's kind of predatory would be something with the 7700 XT versus the 7800 XT there's a big gap in performance and the 7700 XT only has 12 GB of vrm versus 16 on the 7800 XT but these cards launched at only $50 apart so most people were just going to make the leap to the 7800 XT and this is probably the worst upsell tactic that we've seen AMD do as of recently there's also the 7600 versus the 7600 XT I don't think that one's particularly egregious there was the 7900 XT versus the 7900 XTX and a lot of people just bought the XTX but now the 7900 XT is way cheaper than it was at launch so I don't think that's that big of a deal either and I honestly think that AMD does this strategy and that's because they don't have that dominance and power over the market like Nvidia does Nvidia can just sit there and be like M this graphics card it costs this much money and people will probably buy it all this time AMD is constantly fighting against Nvidia for some market share if AMD was the dominant one though do you think they would do the same thing all I can say with this is just kind of a word of advice try to be reasonable with your spending for example if I was going with Nvidia um the 4070 super it's really solid value the 12 gigabytes it kind of sucks but it's not that big of a deal at least to me and in the future because because of that vram limitation to me I would just have to be aware that I'm probably going to have to tweak settings in maybe newer games that want more vram out of your graphics card because I don't think 12 GB is at all unreasonable on a card right now it's not like having 8 GB on a $600 card they did that last generation it's definitely decent and you can make it work so just be ready to tweak things in the future in order to compensate for that little compromise that you have to do don't fall into the Trap of spending more than you would reasonably want to spend and find the best value product that matches your price point that's your your Vex word of advice today I also wanted to talk about just how disappointing this is because really the pricing of these cards is what spoils them I'm a huge fan of the features that are available right now dlss from Nvidia and even FSR from AMD they're great product features and they improved the gaming experience Nvidia just updated their driver software finally it is is really good so I'd love to get excited about cards and that really comes with price to Performance and then features are a nice bonus by the way thanks ug green for the dock I've actually been using this guy as an oversized SD card reader I should I should probably use more ports on this thing but here we are that's been about it for me and I'll see you guys in the next video peace n

Channel: Vex

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Keywords: graphics card, gpu, nvidia, trick, marketing, rtx 4070, rtx 4070 Super, rtx 4070 ti super, rtx 4080 super, review, best gpu, what gpu to buy, vex, amd

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Length: 16min 34sec (994 seconds)

Published: Fri Feb 23 2024