How AI Is Impacting Politics & Accelerating the Need For UBI w/ Andrew Yang | EP #61

there are forces out there that want to utilize AI to tilt the next election cycle is the US government ready to call it out when they see it or defend against it yeah um we're going to be one disaster behind on this one too I'm sure our founding fathers were not fans of direct democracy the founding design was look um we'll have different coalitions we'll come together we'll come apart we'll do different things they never imagined that you'd wind up in the two increasingly polarized tribes most people say listen if you're sending people 500 bucks a month it's going to be used for beer on Netflix The Challenge is trying to prepare us for abundance in a time when scarcity actually unfortunately is the lived experience of many of our our fellow Americans and humans hi everybody Peter Dand is here with moonshots today we have an incredibly brilliant guest his name is Andrew Yan you may know him as the head of the forward party who ran for the US presidential election in the last cycle he's also a businessman and entrepreneur we're going to be talking about two things that are his moonshots one how do we fix democracy and he's got some brilliant ideas including how do we reinvent how we vote so you can vote for almost Anyone who puts their hands up imagine a vote between Mark cubin and Tony Robbins for president we're going to go someplace like that the other side is universal basic income you know as we have technological unemployment Ai and Robotics is Ubi a real thing what does the data show how do you fund it all right join me with Andrew Yang and if you love conversations like this and want me to bring them to you please subscribe to this to this show it means a lot to me and gives me the fuel to really go out there and bring the smartest most brilliant moonshot Engineers on the planet directly to you let's jump into the episode everybody Welcome to moonshots I'm here with a friend friend and someone who got a standing ovation at abundance 360 the first well I not sure I'm going to call you a politician I want to call you an entrepreneur I want to call you a change maker uh in the political realm uh Andrew Yang Andrew good to see you my friend oh great to be here Peter and yeah I'm something of uh I I dislike the title politician so I I appreciate your exempting me yeah you're you're far more than that and uh you're a strategist and innovator and I'm excited to jump into it uh as is usual before we dive into a show let me ask you uh what is your moonshot most people who uh sat into the 2020 race remember my moonshot was Universal basic income uh which is eradicating poverty in our time and that's still the vision the goal but I've now identified that there's an intermediate moonshot which is fixing American democracy so that that it actually can solve meaningful problems effectively so doing that first and then hopefully we can turn back to eradicating poverty all right well let's let's jump into both of those moonshots uh but before we do I've got a question for you and it's a conversation I've had going on with a number of AI experts on this podcast which is the coming us election 2024 looks like catnip for AI disruptors uh for deep fakes for people who want to get in there and sort of cause trouble what is your thought about how AI generative AI is going to start playing a role in the next 18 months yeah I I think it's going to be uh a big part of this cycle and not in a good way and I try to explain to folks look um imagine if the incremental cost of uh video and email a text an image is zero and I can make those images or videos true to life convincing and they're completely made up and fabricated where you saw even recently there was I think a a picture of the Pentagon being on fire and stock markets moved before anyone could say wait a minute that was AI generated um now you can imagine that times 100 or a thousand in this next cycle uh I I'd almost advise people down the stretch is just turn off your social media feed because I I think it's uh going to be that cacophonous unfortunately I can I can imagine that I mean I'm wondering how much democracy is going to be threatened in the near-term like the 2024 presidential elections moat who's been on my podcast a few times who wrote scary smart calls it patient zero for the disruptions that we're going to see from AI now I'm the guy out there saying AI is the most important invention ever that's going to help us solve Humanity's Grand challenges uplift you know create abundance all those things but I can imagine patient zero being the elections and making uh Cambridge analytica look like uh you know kindergarten I can imagine both of those things too Peter I mean I tell people look if you want to improve The Human Condition AI could be the most positive development in uh in Generations maybe ever in human memory really uh in terms of alleviating Alzheimer's and cancer I know you're working on Aging which is the greatest you know the the greatest as hard as I can as hard I know I mean it's it's fantastic I'm super glad you're doing it um but in in the interim this 24 cycle could end up being uh patient zero do you think that the politicians out there are ready for this do you think the the existing parties are are ready Are are they scrambling are they scared are they in a heightened sense of oh my God how do we either use this or defend against this well one one of the reasons why I don't think you're seeing much in the way of countermeasures uh or concerns or precautions or whatnot is that most political figures are more like grats in a maze than anything you know what I mean um like we just stop with can we stop with rats well they there's going out there and they're thinking okay what do I need to do to keep my seat to raise this money to make this person like me to get this positive press cycle to get this social media post to you know like get more likes I mean like that that's where most people's heads are and the systemwide problem of eroding or collapsing trust uh and integrity of our democracy um Fall by the wayside I mean one of the things that I'm arguing now is that America's democracy is actually very very dysfunctional and has been for quite some time but if you're uh an existing political figure your problem is not fixing the dysfunction your problem is just fulfilling Your Role within the maze or within the cage uh I mean one fact I think most people know but I just want to put a fine point on it most elected officials in DC spend between 30 and 60% of their days Dialing for Dollars you know so imagine if you had half your schedule calling rich people and then the other half the time uh you know theoretically legislating or running around meeting people are constituents you don't have a lot of bandwidth left over for trying to insulate the system from AI I can imagine that but I bet you there are forces out there that want to utilize AI to tilt the next election cycle um is the US government ready to call it out when they see it or defend against it uh do you have you been in any of those convers ation uh I I've been in rooms with various folks who are making the case uh to government officials or the government officials themselves um we're totally unprepared truthfully um uh the the current American uh political system is reactive not proactive um and so we're going to go through at least one cycle of real real damage um before anything meaningful is done I imagine that right it's uh we had been talking about airplanes being used for terrorism for long time um and it was 9/11 that got people to change uh Behavior we've been talking about pandemics for a long time and uh it was finally covid that got us to accelerate vaccine development I I'm afraid that uh we don't take action until there's a disaster and the horse is out of the barn yeah um we're going to be one disaster behind on this one too I'm sure um on the flip side AI could play a massive role in helping helping to educate the electorate on what's going on I mean my biggest my biggest problem as a voter here in California is I go to the polls I look at all of these you know individuals and the uh and what's being voted on and you know I'm busy I've had very little time to get educated on them and getting a clear answer is really hard and you're dependent upon these commercials that you may or may not have seen there's got to be some mechanism that you know better generative AI can sort of position the situations and compare and contrast them and allow we to make a decision but is that happening or do people not want that uh I would love to help make that happen uh in the form of the forward party you're right that most people right now um both have too much information overload and not enough information simultaneously it's a good time you show up it's one reason why what is the main form of political communication you see it's just someone's name really they're just trying to get their name imprinted into your mind so that when you show up uh you can vote for them it's very seldom the political party one of the dirty secrets in California and the rest of the country uh is that most of us don't have a two-party system you have a onep party system where you are in California there is zero suspense I guess I'm guessing um it's going to be a Democrat and so which flavor of democrat you're not sure so you show up and then uh it's going to be a name you recognize perhaps it's one reason why at the federal level you have a 94% reelection rate for incumbents 94% that's that's yeah yeah 94% Congressional incumbent re-election rate and only a 15 to 20% approval rating of Congress RIT large so that they've drawn a completely uncompetitive unrepresentative system and then told us hey it's a two-party system you're competing like they're not in California you know Democrats run everything they have three quarters of the legislature having conversations with themselves um and by the way in California they're not delivering on things like homelessness or uh Public Safety or education but then they just Pat you on the head and say well what are you going to do like that there you're stuck with us uh and if you go to a a place like Texas it's the reverse where the Republican would be like what are you going to do so um that so that there is very very little actual competition in the system it's one of the things that we're trying to change I have to say when you stood on the stage of a360 and spoke your heart uh I was so impressed at at what you had to say and you had standing room only and and your follow on uh it's nice to hear and I'm not going to call you a politician I'm going to a presidential candidate uh and a a political entrepreneur uh thinking logically about this and so one of the things you know that's important for people to realize and hopefully you realize this in grade school is we don't actually have a de a direct democracy we have a representative democracy and I assume that's because you know when America was born the idea of getting everybody in the country to actually vote was not viable uh but it is viable now um can you talk to how is technology how could technology save uh The American or democracy American political system uh so the our founding fathers were not fans of direct democracy uh as You observe and it wasn't because there was some uh logistical limitation uh really they just didn't trust people honestly they said you know what we're going to have um this representative uh system we're going to we're going to sort it out and you have three branches and you also um had uh these two legislative bodies one of which was supposed to be a little bit more close to the people in the form of the House of Representatives and then the Senate was supposed to be more elevated if you will um and deliberative though uh they did not envision our Founders the two party system um George Washington famously warned against political parties on his way out John Adams said two parties would be a great evil across the land uh James Madison said you can't have factions that don't shift uh and and so you had this representative uh system that was set up that did not reckon with the fact that you'd have the domination of these two parties the way that took place uh and even then the two parties until the let's call it the 70s 60s and 70s were sort of like vanilla and french vanilla they weren't that opposed and if you know a republican um brought a Democrat home as their boyfriend or girlfriend you know the parents were like cool you know you were more concerned about uh let's call it race or religion than you were party um because the two parties were not that dissimilar um and then over the last 40 some odd years then the two parties have started to peel off ideologically um and polarize uh in the way that they have um so you have now this Urban versus rural uh educated versus Le less educated uh uh diverse versus more homogeneous Etc like that these things that that are becoming more and more entrenched and uh none of this by the way is in the founding design like the founding design was look um we'll have different coalitions we'll come together we'll come apart we'll do different things they never imagined that you'd wind up in these two increasingly polarized tribes that now um don't need to deliver for us and this is why so many Americans are so frustrated is that with this 94% re incumbent uh you know incumbent re-election rate and the fact that 90% of District are drawn to be either blue or red noncompetitive in the general uh the big myth in American life is that our leaders have to please 51% of us to stay in office it's just not true uh the reality is they just need they just need to plate or please um the folks who vote in either the Democratic or the Republican primary which is generally between 10 and uh 14% of people in the district so if I'm a a member of Congress I just need to play the most extreme folks in my party and then I'm on a Glide path to re-election the only way I I don't I don't normally get into politics in this program but I do want to talk about your road map your your Solutions um because I do think that technology can play a role in some of those Solutions and I want people to hear what's coming and what's possible I also want to get to uh the importance of Ubi in this period of AI and Robotics which we'll get to in a moment but let's let's continue on with this so what is the road map for fixing democracy and just to note you know you have a book coming out called the last election um right around the time this episode is is coming out is it on this subject well the last election is a piece of fiction actually it's a it's I I'm trying to um drag people into the message in different ways and so we decided just to have this political thriller about an independent presidential candidate that's Loosely based on Mark cubin sorry Mark and then um what happens uh throughout that election with this uh new independent candidate um how much the B how much of the book did chat GPT write for you um uh unfortunately I finished the book with my writing partner before Chad GPT really hit the scene so uh you know zero unfortunately but uh the book I wrote about our political system uh is called forward notes on the future of our democracy it's now out on paperback um so I've written a couple of books on this subject but I was trying to codify and lay out what most Americans Sense on some level it's been fun on uh some occasions like frankly at abundance 360 where you talk to entrepreneurs leaders uh technologists um Builders and then you say to them hey you know this allergy you have to politics it's totally rational and what's irrational is the setup where um you you have a bunch a series of fictions that are presented to the American people about our political system that after you start digging in you realize okay they're not true and then the question is how do you actually fix it so that that's what I I'm I've now been involved and I'm happy to say we're actually making some progress awesome and I fall into the camp where listen talk to me about anything just not politics right I if I want to fix something I'm going to start a company I'm going to go and and work on fixing it the last thing I want to do is get involved in politics and um and I have lost belief in the political process to fix problems I believe that entrepreneurs are individuals who find juicy problems building new product or service demonetizing democratize it and solve that problem I I think you are a very smart and wise man Peter um I spoke to 20 Business Leaders and I actually posed this question and they were CEOs they were you know ve very very uh eminent folks and I said how many of you at some point in your career considered running for political office and a majority of hands went up because you know that the these are accomplished people and then I said how many of you have now concluded that you should not run for office because the system is so irrational you're going to get dragged through the mud and even on the chance that you manage to Prevail over the machine you're not actually going to be get get anything done anyway and then they all laugh but then all of their head go up you know um reasonable people have just drawn this conclusion based on evidence because they're smart so the the it's stacked in the system is stacked against us I said years ago any um with due respect to yourself my friend anyone who wants to run for president shouldn't be allowed to it should be a drafted position for some of the smartest operators in the planet I totally agree and I also said to that group of Business Leaders I said I don't know you all that well but I would put you all in charge of the country ahead of the people who are actually running the country 100 times out of 100 and they all laughed and they said yeah like we would too because they they're rational uh they'd be evidence-based they'd just be trying to get things done their motivations would be generally good um all of which doesn't apply to the current Cent is there is there a path forward I mean you know obviously the the forward party is uh been doing a lot of the Strategic thinking um and we can talk about what the forward party is uh I view myself as really a a Libertarian capitalist if I had to if I had to position myself in some fashion but what is your road map how do we make change here how do we save uh ourselves from what's happened in this two-party system thank you Peter I many friends who would describe themselves the same way what I'd say is the the whole path is to make the fiction real now how the heck do you do that in real life which which which fiction real the fiction is that our leaders need to make 51% of us happy and deliver for us in order to keep their jobs ah instead of just the the 10 to 12% in the primary electorate in the wings with their 94% uh reelect rate so uh how the heck do you make the fiction real so it turns out that because our founding fathers did not like political parties there's not a word about being a Democrat or Republican anywhere in the Constitution and all of the party mechanisms are established at the state level it's all made up now if you wanted to you could change those mechanics in each state and in 25 States you could do so via ballot initiative where 50.1% of the people in that state decide to they could for example get rid of party primaries in that state now as I'm saying this it sounds made up and impossible to but just understand what this means it means any candidate who wants to run independent of the party they all go up against each other at the same time yes imagine an all Party primary where you run as a Libertarian I run as forward party there are two Democrats there are three Republicans what have you and we all line up and make our case to the folks in that state and then the top four of us get through to a general election and then the winner is chosen be a rank Choice voting now this is not a thought experiment everything I just Des happened you mean you mean a democratic process oh yeah no I mean a democratic process now um everything I just described happened in Alaska in 2020 2 where in 2020 a majority of alaskans voted to get rid of the party primaries and said you know what for any Statewide race it's all candidates in the same Mega primary and then the top four get through and are put through rank Choice voting to determine who wins now in 2022 when you had a genuinely Democratic process you know what happened Sarah Palin lost to a woman named Mary peltola who in the conventional system would not have won but Mary pela because of rank Choice voting managed to win by I think four points in the second or third round of voting same principle a woman named Lisa marowski who's the incumbent one despite voting to impeach Donald Trump and she managed to defeat a trump endorsed Challenger named Kelly Shabaka because a majority of alaskans said look maybe I didn't love her decision on that one but I gen generally think Lisa marowski is a reasonable person in a conventional system where Lisa marowski and Kelly Shabaka just went through a Republican primary Shabaka wins easily uh Lisa marowski's approval rating among Alaskan Republicans went down to 8% when she voted to impeach Trump but there's no Republican primary anymore by the way half a dozen US senators went to Lisa marowski on the senate floor and said we Envy you so much you don't have a primary imagine if all of the senators in the US all of a sudden could say no to their party's base and instead would go to their constituents and say I'm going to make 51% of you happy our decision-making policy improves just like that everybody Peter D M is here uh I've been asked over and over again what do I do for my own health well I put it down in this book called Peter's longevity practices uh it's very readable in just an hour in the book I cover longevity diet exercise sleep my annual found upload meds and supplements longevity mindset it's literally consumable in just an hour's time hopefully to incentivize you to make a difference in your life to intercept the technology is coming our way if you want this it's free just check out the link below and download it right now so so what enabled Alaska to put that ballot forward and get it supported I would assume that the you know the political parties would have fought it tooth and nail that is right Peter but it turns out that Alaska is a very cheap media state you and I could be on Alaskan TV tomorrow if we so desired uh so the ballot initiative in Alaska to get rid of the primaries cost $6 million the same Bal I know it's the best bargain in history I mean you get you get Sarah Palin out you get Kelly shabbach out and it's Evergreen it's not like you have to spend $6 million every cycle you spend $6 million just to get rid of the primaries you know where else I love Alaska it's a frontier state right the the frontier mindset is still there and uh good for them to lead the way but but I I want to paint this picture cuz it's so important so then the same principle applied in Nevada now a lot of people listening to this think okay Alaska's weird Nevada's a little bit more normal and like you said the two parties decided to fight this ballot initiative tooth and nail but the winning advertisement in Nevada was a military veteran looking at the camera saying I went overseas to defend our country for years I came back and can't vote in our primaries and I don't think that's right why couldn't he vote in the primary because you need to be a registered democrat or republican to participate in either primary and he was an independent like 50% of military veterans and like at this point 50% of Americans functionally so that ad went out on Nevada TV and millions of Nevada and saw it and were like that guy should be able to vote so the Democratic party came out against it the Republican Party came out against it but 50 3% of Nadin said that guy should be able to vote and I should be able to vote for whomever I want in an all Party primary so what we're doing is we're going state to state and then flipping over the primary system because if you put it in front of the American people of course they want to be able to vote for whomever they want the fact that our tax dollars are subsidizing these party primaries is ridiculous it's distorting everything and the only people it's good for are the people embedded in the machine who don't want to have to actually submit themselves to us I love it it's got my vote for sure I mean it's like wait this sounds really logical it's logical and if someone wants to dig into this the progenitors of this set of reforms it's Michael Porter who's a Harvard Business School uh professor and Godfather of management consulting and a woman named Katherine Gail they co-authored a book called the politics industry that said you know why where seeing our political system flail and fumble this way it's because of bad incentives in the system and the way to fix the incentives is to get rid of the party primaries and here's how to do it so the ballot initiative in Nevada cost 17 million which is more than the six in Alaska if someone were to say to me how much does it cost to fix American democracy I would say approximately $200 million which in our world Peter is a very manageable sum that's nothing yeah in in the in the context of a system where we're going to spend 8 billion dollar beating each other up and hating each other in 2024 um one just one of the Forbes 500 individuals listening here please just you know please get in touch with with me uh you can grab me on uh socials Andrew Yang Peter has my number and email um but how does the $200 million fixed democracy check it out you run the same ballot initiative that won in Alaska and Nevada and 10 states it fails in five of them but that's okay you succeed in five and then you liberate 10 US senators to do whatever they think is best and not be enthal to their parties on either side that changes the nature of American politics no long dead and that's very very real that's very very doable that's huge and that's again it's the first piece of clear and logical thinking I've heard in a while so thank you for making that um thank you for explaining that what's next on a road map where do we you know okay pull that off what's the next step in in heading us towards a true democracy so I concluded all of these things now about 18 months ago and so I've been running around with forward uh now let's say that we pull off what I'm describing we get rid of the party primaries in five states 10 US senators all of a sudden lucid and clear lots of time on their hands I mean it's pretty wild like you know they would they'd be like hey all of a sudden I'm I'm reason they have their own they have their own opinion yeah yes they have their own opinion uh and in the other 25 states you have Mayors and County Executives and city council members and occasional members of Congress also throwing off the Yoke of the false blue versus red and saying I'm also part of this new positive independent political movement forward now you fast forward to the next cycle this is the great frustration that you and many others share is that we might be faced with a Joe Biden Donald Trump rematch in 2024 God forbid and it's patently ridiculous by the by the way uh what do you put the odds that that could happen or would happen uh the odds are very high um because Trump will probably win the Republican nomination despite his legal troubles he's up 20 some odd points Joe Biden by all accounts is running again there's some rumor that he's going to step aside at the last minute next year but you know uh I I'll believe it when I see it kind of thing um so the Biden Trump rematch combined age 160 is very much on T nothing against you know folks of an advanced age but these are not the octogenarians you want couple others I know I'd be fied with but but these are not before a before age reversal has been implemented yes yes you know like what what these aren't the 80-year-olds you want anyway um so but it's just a clear emblem of how bizarre and dysfunctional two-party system is that in a country of 330 million people those will be the choices I mean gosh Peter like I was with you at abundance 360 and I could almost just throw a rock and just take any of the people that the rock hits and say you'd be a better choice than uh Joe or Donald Trump so so if we get presented with this Choice many Americans are going to be looking for an alternative um now I my organization forward what we'll be doing is we'll be trying to organize swing voters in Wisconsin Pennsylvania Arizona Georgia Nevada swing gen genuinely independent swing voters and say we're going to go with whichever party is on board with getting rid of the party primaries and implementing rank Choice voting and reforming uh the system itself um so that's our project for 2024 but I'm going to project in the not so distant future let's call it 2028 we can all vote for so this will be fun let me set the stage a little bit more so imagine there was uh an independent presidential primary where it's uh Mark Cuban The Rock Me Oprah Matthew MCC Justin Amash uh Liz Cheney Adam kininger whoever your favorite figures are I don't know if you want to throw someone into this mix Peter if I miss someone that you like is this is this they have to agree or are they being drafted uh either for the sake of this maybe maybe we'll throw Tony Robbins and Elon into the mix two holy cow so Elon unfortunately is not born in the US so there's like that that but but Tony Robbins you know Jeff Jeff scanu uh you know he's he's got the Washington Post he's building Rockets you know he's got to you know it's got to be something you he's going to go do let's throw Tony and Jeff into the mix sure and we can all vote in this primary on our smartphones say I like Tony I like Andrew I like Mark cubin and then our vote is verified via a personalized QR code that gets sent to our mailing address you scan it congratulations your vote has been verified millions of Americans are participating in actual democracy and then the Legacy parties would be left saying no none of that is real what is real is waiting to hear what 6% of Ians think in February and then millions of Californians and New Yorkers and everyone else would be like wait a minute that makes zero sense I don't give a what Ians think any other time why am I carrying this time or no offense to anyone because I love you all but like South Carolina or new I mean you could just like throw whatever the heck the early basket of States I mean went through this process only 6.5% of Ians participated in the Democratic caucus I was a part of it's probably going to be not that much higher percentage of Ians in this Republican caucus so let me get this straight um there's a process by which you raise above some threshold and I don't care if you're the Kardashians or whomever if if you want to run for president what would be the criteria for getting yourself on this digital ballot this is so fun Peter cuz those 20 people your 20 people whomever most of them know that if they ran for president as a Democrat or Republican it would be miserable you know that they would get shived the same way that we've seen let's call it Mike Bloomberg get shived or or whomever um but if you got to run in this independent primary then you could genuinely make your case uh you could be positive there's not a machine trying to oppress you at every turn and Real Americans could get behind you and and vote for you in real time so The Wonder of this is that a political party can design its nomination process however it wants the Democrat and Republican party have chosen to design it in a particularly anachronistic nonsensical way not because they think it's smart but mainly because of inertia and they prefer to control it very very them control of course it's just control right and part of that control has been the media where if you see how the media covers various candidates and I was a part of this too so in my book forward they very much have their thumb on the scale for certain candidates uh and so that's how they they they try to make sure that the their chosen candidate or candidates win um but now all of that's falling apart and so what is the new process that replaces it all there is we all we you and I both know and everyone listening to this know the tech for what I'm describing is completely mature a political party can again nominate however it wants the only things that you need are number one some heavy weights who are willing to run in this kind of process and number two ballot access in all 50 states now the the ballot access I is if you had to put a price tag on it maybe it cost you about $50 million now the forward party already has legal recognition in about eight states we're kind of marching towards uh uh 20 by the end of 2024 let's say so this is the infrastructure so that reasonable candidates actually can submit themselves genu genuinely to the American people without the massive gatekeeping function of the two Legacy parties that just want to keep everyone out I love it's it's the way it should be I mean we do uh you know we move millions of dollars and some people billions of dollars on bitcoin on your smartphone um you have all of your functions in life in verified fashion why not vote um that's brilliant now you've mentioned Mark cubin three times have you spoken to him about this I I I have and he is one my uh one of my top draft picks uh for this endeavor um if if you don't know check out his Cost Plus drugs I mean he's uh literally I do know the company toit yeah great stuff I mean love you mark yeah so listen I think I think this is a fantastic IC idea um and you know at this point um hopefully it's not just to being about a popular individual it's hopefully going to be being popular and being intelligent and having good policies I mean why do people why do people say this wouldn't work I mean I would imagine people say well a populist politician uh or president doesn't have the experience uh that's needed to run uh they have to rise through the ranks of you know local state and and uh Federal politics um most people have not dug into it even that deeply Peter honestly um most people just knee-jerk think well uh third party hopeless Ross perau Ralph nater uh Jill Stein etc etc now if they looked at the numbers they would see that now 49% of American self-identify as Independence almost twice as what identify as Democrat or Republican that this kind of Internet voting is now very very doable and natural for Americans in a way it was not even in the 9s uh but their reservations um are not the ones you just cited because most Americans are fed up they would happily take a reasonable human that is not of the machine at this point they just don't think it's possible um because of the conditioning particularly from the media that you must choose either col May or column B and nothing else exists yeah I think people don't realize the influence the media has on politics um and we for I don't know what reason think of the media as still concr you know what's it name um Howard Walter kronite Walter krite yes I mean it's independent it's truthful it's you know representing you know truth in the American way but that's anything but well I I this podcast I'll probably get a similar audience to you know one of the major cable channels you know well so you know and a much cooler audience I will say a much better AUD most people watching this are not you know tun yeah they're entrepreneurs they care about changing the world and uh they want you know the mindset is let's find out where we can make things better you know up and to the right uh you know it's interesting right because maybe it's going to be Twitter maybe it's going to be Google maybe it's going to be some other platform but the platforms exist um for full up ver verification and uh to reach everybody in America well you talk about the media I mean I think that's what motivated Elon and um buying uh Twitter SLX now is that he thought you know this is going to be one way I can actually uh try to improve the nature of the messages that are getting out um but what I'm describing it's right there for us man um the the fun thing is you can imagine who would run and a lot more excellent people would run if they thought they would be treated fairly do you think the think the US people would change the rules about being born in the US if Elon wanted to run I don't know but I'd certainly love to test that proposition out I was with Arnold Schwarzenegger not that long ago I said you should test that proposition out but here's one of the the fun things Peter let's say that this independent primary does come to pass let's I I'm just going to speak for myself if I were part of it and let's say I lose to uh I I'll keep using Mark just as my example sure um I would then endorse Mark and say hey man like let me go campaign for you around the country and you could campaign anywhere you'd end up with a team of a dozen high-powered surrogates and something of an Administration or a cabinet in waiting and the American people would be like that crew is is a crew I would trust and prefer much much more than the the current freaking panoply of you know frankly mostly second Raiders I I I love it you're right once it flips you've got you know uh 30 incredible uh influencers ready to back the independent car uh candidate yeah that that's the vision man it's going to be the Avengers of rationality and uh you know true progress and so can people have you written up these ideas in a concrete fashion someplace uh so if you go to forward party uh that this is the movement um I have not written up the um independent primary plan though there have been frankly versions of this that have been written up um I've written up the other stuff around getting rid of the party primaries shifting to an all Party primary rank Choice voting um I I'm going to be excited to to get energy behind the 2028 plan um one reason why I'm not hammering that that hard is because we are stuck in 2024 right now to our earlier conversation and so we're trying to organize independent swing voters in swing states to try and keep the current thing from collapsing I love it and and this in fact is the digitization and democratization of democracy in this regard it's making the fiction real Peter and and to the way you described me before uh my dad was a PhD in physics at a Berkeley so when I saw Oppenheimer I was like oh my gosh this is like the freaking Family Tree in action my my brother is named after Ernest Lawrence nice uh the who Josh character um but I I'm uh a deeply flawed politician shall we say in that I I just want to try and make things work better uh I would prefer to be doing something else very frankly mean I I'm like you where you also are trying to solve problems and you've wisely said you know what I'm going to solve the problems that are solvable through entrepreneurship in the private sector um For Better or For Worse uh the problems I started getting animated about like poverty um were things that I thought you needed the public sector uh to to um um solve and then now I've gotten um very deep into the okay how the heck do you build a functional public sector well I I wish you luck and I'm going to help Spread Your Meme virus here of those two approaches CU they're the most logical smartest approach I've heard so thank you for that hey everybody this is Peter a quick break from the episode you know I'm a 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to your second moonshot which is the idea of universal basic income um so uh the idea just to lay it out as I understand it and I welcome your uh your modification here is as Ai and Robotics and other exponentials 3D printing arvr blockchain start to disrupt the job markets and people uh lose their jobs to technology um that we need to do a few things one of them is going to be to help uh level up those individuals upscale them to better skills but potentially at least in the interim is give them reliable income uh a universal basic income that allows them to you know put food on the table get insurance um not feel panicked uh perhaps get a better education perhaps invest in whatever Tech they need to start a small business uh and it's about human dignity to a large degree um and getting rid of fear because there going to be a lot of fear as AI steps in in a bigger way in the next uh few years um I'll say one more thing and then this is your platform and you did a huge amount to I want say necessarily popularize but educate people about Universal basic income which I'm I'm grateful for um the other thing I wanted to mention is uh it is something that's not a theoretical uh concept it's been implemented and tested and uh and studied uh over dozens if not hundreds of experiments both in the United States and around the world so that's my setup for it and I want people to understand it's uh this is coming because we need a counterveiling force for to the fear that people have about potentially losing their jobs well I I love the way you frame that Peter the the way I describe it is that you have a mindset of abundance and possibility and optimism and Entrepreneurship and then you have a mindset of scarcity fear Us Versus Them xenophobia uh uh and negativity towards technology honestly and so which of these things is winning which of these is going to win um I think you'd be hard pressed to say that Nationwide the mindset of optimism and possibility is winning it's definitely winning at abundance 360 which was a blast like over there and it's like I was uplifted because here are people who are literally building the the future but then you know you drive a few hours in any direction and you wind up at like a let's say a different mindset um and so the the question is how do we help people transition there are a lot of very smart folks who are deep in AI whove also been um studying the effects of Ubi or cash relief programs and one of the things I think is going to appeal to folks uh like you is that right now we have the worst of all worlds where we're spending so much money and energy on dysfunctional administration of programs that are really punitive and dehumanizing I spoke to thousands of Americans who are on various Aid programs and the single biggest thing that motivates them is fear um they are scared stiff of losing their benefits there was a woman in Iowa who said to me uh I would like to volunteer for my local nonprofit but I'm scared to because I'm on disability and I'm afraid that if someone saw that I could volunteer they'd take my money away and so you listen to that story and you think my gosh like what have we done where This Woman's getting the money but instead of using the money to live a better life life she's staying in because she's afraid of being seen as able-bodied I mean like that that's what's happening right now for millions and millions of Americans where we've set up this uh this uh unfeeling machine above them that they do not trust at all by the way and said hey your uh subsistence is going to be relying upon your staying on the good side of this bureaucracy and if you fill out the form wrong we're going to pull the rug out from under you I mean like I I i' I've spoken to military vets who are in this boat I've spoken to so many Americans and it it's uh we can do better let's say yeah jelle sent me an article uh which framed it as insecurity versus uh inequality as the issue people are facing they don't feel secure they do not feel secure in the in the least and if we can change that then we have a much better chance of building uh Society where if someone else makes some rapid Advance you look at it and say oh good like may maybe that's good for me in some way right now unfortunately it's more like like look at that jerk over there who's doing well like you know um uh like I'm not seeing any of that yeah so uh you've studied this um if you had to uh you know most people say listen if you're sending people 500 bucks a month it's going to be used for beer and Netflix and it's a waste of money for God's sakes why are you going to spend my tax money to do that uh how do you respond to that what's the data show well the the the data shows that people tend to spend the money on uh food fuel shelter books for their kids uh activities for their kids uh and the biggest example of that data set was the enhanced child tax credit that was implemented in 2012 20 and 2021 that yeah in the US where it lifted millions of American kids out of poverty and 130 economists who looked at it said we should keep doing this because the money is getting used very very effectively uh and uh American politics being what it is we then uh pulled the plug on that uh even though there were so many uh literally there were Nobel laurates saying this is the best thing we've done in a generation to alleviate poverty U but the dat is there for anyone to find um you also saw saw saw decreases in things like domestic violence child abuse uh I mean if you put a little bit of money into people's hands you talked about the data Peter there was one study I found very very compelling out of an Indian tribe in North Carolina where One Tribe started uh giving people a certain amount of money because they had a casino honestly there was another tribe that didn't I've got I've got it here it's the Eastern uh band of Cherokee Indians Casino dividend in North Carolina uh and giving them no strings attached between 4,000 and 6,000 per year is that particular one and result and you probably have it there that um you had the kids uh learned better and their even their personalities became uh more conscientious more trusting an environment ucation mental health decrease in addiction and crime yeah yeah and by the way if you wound up with people who do turn to crime and drugs we end up paying for that too in ways big and small I mean like the we're spending $30 to $50,000 per individual per year who is homeless or incarcerated uh in our country so if it hits our institutions it's a lot more expensive than that $4 and $6,000 that those uh kids got yeah un lest you think that this is a a new idea I'm just going to Rattle off here the research that my producer Nick did did you know um we've seen this in Alaska since 1982 uh Alaska's had uh their uh their fund funded by uh by oil I mentioned North Carolina we've had experiments in New Jersey uh Pennsylvania Iowa North Carolina Seattle Denver Gary Indiana a number is a big study done in Stockton uh California uh Canada uh England Brazil Germany Spain the Netherlands has than a number Finland uh Iran Kenya uh Namibia India China um so I mean this has been done hundreds of times and as I read through the details here it's consistent that this investment has super positive outcomes I haven't read any place where it's been a had negative outcomes or a waste of money yeah it it's much more effective than Frank Al um starting up a new bureaucracy and then saying hey guys uh improve the lives of people that are not you um one of the organizations in the space that some people might have heard of is give directly which is it transfers money directly to people in developing countries uh now there's probably some skepticism among your audience uh rightly so of kind of a nonprofit industrial complex or an NGO industrial complex um there's probably that mistrust when it comes to uh certain government bureaucracies that are terrible at uh administering benefits in a like a frankly a sane way um uh this skips the middleman uh and gets the resources to where it'll actually do good and I i' I've been a donor to give directly I think it's a uh it's a brilliant uh you know super low overhead um minimized overhead U process on a personal level the way that you and I do this probably is we just tip really well you know CU you're around someone it's like hey this is going to be dollar for dollar and it's such a beautiful thing when when someone unexpectedly gets a a large tip and you know for that evening that moment you've changed their life yeah it's a great great feeling I highly recommend it yeah yeah uh so the question becomes where does this money come from uh you know can we afford it and I'd like to play a few a few conversational games here you know I remember Jeff Bezos and a few other folks said well if we're going to start to see technological displacement of jobs and a robot takes you know a house cleaning job or a robot takes a factory working job or an AI takes a physician's job why don't we just tax that robot and that AI uh for that work it's being done and then use that tax base to fund a Ubi program does that make sense I think taxing AI makes a lot of sense uh I think um the practice of it might be a little bit trickier uh the where the money comes from for starters I I don't know what people are going to receive this so our data right now is worth hundreds of billions of dollars a year um to various companies your data is going to be worth more than others Peter thanks um but uh we're not seeing a dime of that so uh one of the proposals I had was look there should be a data dividend where I'm not one to hold back uh certain forms of development but if you're going to be buying and selling my data uh maybe I should see what's going on and get a cut and you know and and um that could be the start of uh a multi hundreds of billions of dollars uh type measure uh AI itself um could also and one of the examples I use is that there are 2 Mill Americans who work at call centers still and let's say that AI is going to be able to do that job pretty soon uh how much do those 2 million Americans pay in taxes right now I'm going to guess that they do pay taxes and then the question is will the tech company that used the AI pay anywhere near that level in taxes history suggests it will not um and so you'll wind up replacing taxpaying humans with AI that um we might not see that kind of revenue from unless we change the system you know I've had this conversation with Elon and we've been trying to go back and forth on when we're going to do another podcast together on the subject of abundance and you know his first reaction is yes we're going to have full up abundance post AGI right and I get that you know uh once we have artificial general intelligence which leads rapidly to artificial super intelligence and let's put away the dystopian scenarios the Terminator and we have uh AI uh we're heading towards what I would call technological socialism um you know being a good uh you know capitalist entrepreneur the term socialism and communism sort of like you know are knives into but technological socialism is an idea where technology is taking care of you um and uh it's what will happen right AI your best physician in the world will be an AI your best diagnostician your your best surgeon will be an AI and a robot and those things will rapidly demonetize towards zero cost your best educator we saw this with with Sal Khan who's a real hero as you had said on stage yeah um he is a hero I had dinner with Sal last month and uh um what a privilege yeah he's such a sweet man and a brilliant entrepreneur um and so the things that we spend a large amount of money on today uh we spend a disproportionate amount on Healthcare and education um uh a lot of Americans are not right now Peter well and and what we're going to see is the very best health care and the very best education is eventually going to be free because it's going to be delivered by these uh these AI or AGI systems right it's the cost of electricity um and so that's going to be a significant I mean if our cost of living so what we spend our money on we spend our money on Health on education on Transportation eventually an autonomous Uber will be four times cheaper than owning a car and if you don't need to live in downtown Manhattan or downtown Boston uh because your job is there because you can commute via Zoom or because you can commute in a autonomous Uber back and forth and the hour of travel time is usable then you can live someplace where the real estate is four times cheaper you know and still you have a beautiful backyard so we're heading towards a world of mass massive de uh demonetization I think and efficiency of our time so um I think the cost of living should go down while the standards of living go up do I have it wrong in any way in your mind I love the vision and I agree with the mega Trends um the problems are twofold number one is the regulatory problem and this is where the public sector comes back in let's say I invented AI that could do the job of a surgeon tomorrow um you wouldn't see that happen in hospitals because the surgeons would just Lobby the legislators and say hey it's got to be a human surgeon uh or at a minimum it's got to be a human surgeon advising the AI over the the so there's this regulatory capture that's going to make it uh rough now there are certain sectors and I'm going to use my call center uh worker example where legislators aren't going to give a about them you know they don't have a Lobby so so so there you'll see it uh go very rapidly it's one reason why this political reform is so important is because there's going to be a race toward uh regulatory protection it's like who who's going to be uh viewed as like oh you know indispensable human worker like can't replace you um and the AMA by by the way why do we have a physician shortage in the US of humans which is one of the reasons why AI doctors will be such a massive value ad it's because of the American Medical Association artificially um keeping the number of doctors low um because they they didn't want thought people got smar and people got smart and realized they don't want to actually spend four years in medical school five six seven years with internship residency come out such massive debt just at the time that AI is going to take their job so that's why uh no no because if you think about it there are all of these folks who are below the line in terms of applying to medical school uh you know I'm I'm I'll make an insert Asian joke here anyway where uh so um but there's been an artificially curved Supply and then you know that uh those professionals are going to Lobby very very furiously and it's not just the doctors themselves you see it with certain device manufacturers where do you know Dean Cayman by chance I was with him for dinner at his home in New Hampshire on Friday night yes oh my gosh all right so so Dean told me a story might have told you too um where he invented a portable dialysis machine which would improve people's standard of living dramatically but then the folks who profit from impatient dialysis said no no no that's not safe and their their motivation was obviously that they make a whole lot more money it's actually evil it's evil there there's a lot evil going on in the system because people are making money off of the inefficiency and they will fight fight fight to keep the inefficiency because that's their business now so uh so the future you're describing is the future that would be happening in the absence of this regulatory capture uh and but there are going to be some folks who get displaced very sarily and so managing this transition in both groups is a must and right now the the question is how can you Coke some folks being like look you're going to be okay but AI is going to start doing this Lifting for us or this surgery for us and you're not you're not going to starve to death you'll be fine and then also go to the folks whose work is made irrelevant very quickly yeah um by the way for those who don't know Dean Cayman you may know him as the creator of the segue which is unfortunate because the things that he's actually done in the world have been so extraordinary one of the most brilliant inventors on the planet uh creator of implantable infusion pumps the Luke arm the iBot uh and and I don't know, 1500 patents one of the most generous brilliant individuals um he'll be joining us at a360 this year we'll spend five days with him uh in a few different dimensions both he's got a a a company right now we toured it um a few myself and a few my abundance members called the advanced regenerative manufacturing Institute uh it's government funded good thing for the good thing the government's doing they're basically re growing organs you give them a skin sample and they turn that skin sample into induced plur poent stem cells and then grow a pediatric heart a bone ligament bone new eyelet cells for your pancreas um it's amazing the guy is one of the most brilliant Engineers on the planet de Dean Cayman is a genius and a Force for good um and it surprised me not at all that you had dinner with him last week yeah and his of course his most important invention is first which is his uh High School junior high school high school level Ro uh educational program that is an 85,000 schools around the world teaching the Next Generation robotics uh indeed um you know like movable wheelchairs that help people live more functional lives I mean the GU improved a lot of uh people's existences so I get the idea that we're going to have uh ingrained um biases and uh self- motivation keeping things the way they have and that's always been the case right um I'm sure it falls eventually I mean there will be a point where when you see that human surgeon coming at you and you say oh no no no I do not want that human touching me you know I don't know how much coffee they had if they had a fight with a boyfriend or girlfriend last night I want the robot I want the robot that has seen this surgery a million times and cost you know 100 times cheaper I want it doing the surgery and so the question becomes um you know we're going to have to be datadriven uh Evolution and I think we're going to see it's not going to be a little fuzzy it's going to be the AI is making the right diagnosis um you know 99 times 100 compared to the uh to the human and one of the biggest problems is humans make a lot of mistakes yep I mean your your entire uh had a fight with their partner or uh got drunk or something I mean that stuff's real you know it's not like our physicians are superum or whatnot I mean like they they're I mean they they have problems and their problems do not keep them from coming in and operating on us whatever the case may be so we're going to have I hope the cost of living is going to demonetize I mean it has tremendously right uh but we don't we don't count those things that have demone Iz we don't count the fact that our Communications are world class as good as the president of Nations had you know decades ago and it's free video conferencing on FaceTime or Zoom I mean that's insane we don't count that we don't count the all of the free entertainment we have the free knowledge even free AI we have uh but the things that we do pay uh for there's going to be demonetization pressures I I agree Peter and in many ways so someone once described me um in a flattering way uh as wanting to be America's wet blanket uh like I just want everyone to chill out while we make this set of Transitions and right now Americans are getting the opposite of more chill shall we shall we say uh like we're getting we're getting yeah we're getting stressed down inflamed uh and polarized and uh scarcity is taking over and more and more insecurity as Jazelle put it um so I see my role as trying to make it so that we can actually enjoy the Bounty of this uh amazing time yes it's extraordinary you know one of the other ideas that one of my a360 members um has spoken about I think you've spoken about this as well is uh basic living as a service you know a community where for 250 bucks a month uh you get uh housing internet water food uh what else do you want to throw in there right so a fixed cost and entertainment entertainment sure um which I I love that idea because at scale this is what technology can do it can it can give us um a constantly demonetizing meeting all our basic needs and allowing you to earn a living that allows you to put away money and reinvest it yeah I joked Peter at one point it's like we have to enter the era of terrible artwork um because we just have people who are are able to chill out and paint terrible paintings or whatever the heck it is you know what I mean yeah some of them will be awesome I'm sure but also terrible yeah sad Guru um I don't know if you know s Guru um uh he I was on stage with him years ago in St Petersburg and um we had dinner afterwards and he said something that has never left me he says uh uh technology allows Humanity to finally take a vacation from survival right he he's totally right and we've been operating under this resource constraint mindset and institutional setup and everything else where it's zero sum and we're about to hit a point where a lot of these Goods uh will have essentially zero marginal cost and then what do you do in an era of abundance what does that become uh we're not set up for it and in many ways I feel like the challenge is trying to prepare us for abundance in a time when scarcity actually unfortunately is the lived experience of many of our our fellow Americans and humans agreed I mean one of the um last points I want to touch base with you on here because I think it's fundamental to uh solving Ubi in an actual functional way is that of purpose right I think um as as living a human experience as a biological uh uh individual uh we need purpose um and just you know surviving is not that and just being given money isn't that any thoughts on on this um when I was running for president Peter I I had visions of an American Exchange program where when you were graduating from high school you'd go to another part of the country and live with a family who by the way would send their kids someplace else too so they probably be nice to you maybe you'd even trade what a great way of creating globalization and peace right yeah so then you'd be like hey when when someone says something negative about the those folks in uh the red or blue Zone you'd be like I actually hung out with them and they're perfectly fine and they're they're just like us uh like uh I had Notions of various types of national competitions not because it necessarily had economic value but because people need structure Purp fulfillment goals Community um what if you were to rewind to an earlier point in American Life um maybe your church or religious group served a particular role in your life um now that has gotten replaced unfortunately by this is going to hurt you in your heart but it's been replaced uh by politics in some uh so some some people's lives uh so so we we do need to imbue uh more communities with the sense of structure purpose fulfillment goals uh and one of the big misconceptions about me has been that I was somehow unmindful of that I mean um I I'm or I mean I like to work honestly now I'm very very fortunate where I get to do very very meaningful purposeful work and I genuinely feel like hey if I weren't here um something wouldn't get done so that's a good feeling and that the goal has to be to try and make it so that more people have that feeling and even if it's not something society-wide like maybe you or or I I'm working on it can be something as simple as today I'm going to be very important to helping my neighbor uh you know clear their garage or care for their children or what have you yeah one of the things that people um hopefully realize is a lot of the jobs not all but a lot of the jobs that robotics and AI will take are jobs that were not the jobs people dreamed of doing when they were kids right um it didn't dream of being a waiter or cleaning apartment buildings or whatever it might be um but that was the job that you could get to put food on your table or get insurance for your family and so the question really is fine let Tech take those jobs that are dull dangerous or dirty you know and um how do we able that individual now to level up to what they dreamed about um how do we allow people to dream into a bigger purpose and I think AI as their co-pilot to help them educate themselves and do things they didn't think they could do um is critical and and I think it's almost we have to split the split what you do for a living to make money separate for what you do for a purpose right yeah and and one thing Peter that you suggested just now is that there is a distinction between how men and women or boys and girls experience uh this phenomena where uh and and Studies have borne this out by the way that if you have an Idle Man um they volunteer less than an employed man even though they have more time um and their consumption of uh drugs and gambling and uh some other things go up and and so uh that this um the sense of purpose and usefulness that you're describing uh is vital to stav off um both personal and community self-destruction and one of the things that Americans are experiencing at higher levels unfortunately are those things uh deaths of Despair continue to to Rise um and there's an asymmetry in terms of how men and women women uh are fairing uh in Contemporary American life where now uh only 40% of incoming college students are men as an example um and so there has to be a massive investment in things that help men in particular find uh A A Way Forward um in the absence of these kinds of measures many men will uh go down dark rap holes and Roots um and that's where the negativity takes over yeah and and unfortunately it is also the case for younger men and their teens when hormones hit um and they're not fighting the Lions on the savanas of Africa yes and and this is something I feel very deeply where uh you know again I've been very fortunate but I remember as a young man when I started a company and did not work out and my Asian parents frankly pretended to their friends that I was still a lawyer and doing well that um you know you you you feel um like this challenge to your selfworth U now I was again very fortunate that in my case I joined another startup um and then which what makes America great yeah yeah that's what makes Great America great but but there there are lots of uh young men in particular who don't have this um set of opportunities and then for them um they kind of shrink inward I'm also the parent of two young boys so it's one reason why I feel this um yeah oh yeah so you you feel this too um and uh you know I mean instinctively like your kids will be fine my kids will be fine one of my boys on the autism spectrum has particular challenges but I I see uh American boys uh in different circumstances and a lot of them um you know if they don't find a productive direction it'll turn inward in ways that are not positive I want to thank you Andrew for Having the courage to run for for president it is uh something I will never do uh not for me but not even in an independent primary where people can vote on their smartphones Peter where you can actually talk STS uh if if if logic uh actually rules um um okay it's a nonzero but it's still it's I'd rather spend my time solving the world in many ways my goal will be to make it so that awesome people like you have a higher chance of thr your out in the ring than is currently the case currently I would totally uh you know get it all right but listen I love the idea of Mark hbin versus Tony Robbins uh versus Kim Kardashian as on the on the uh independent uh Spectrum for election it would be a fun a fun election I mean we could actually pay for the entire thing with just the reality TV rights and we would run the table Peter genuinely because so so many Americans would look up I mean two-thirds of Americans want an alternative to the two- party system if you had that Battalion everyone would be like okay we're totally doing that we would we we would win I mean you know and this is something we should be building towards as quickly as possible yeah yeah well thank you for your moon shots my friend just to remind folks again it is uh to uh reinvent and fix the uh democracy no small Challenge and then to help birth Ubi as a program that is recognized understood and rolled out um not just here United States but through an example in the United States I think around the world uh I'm looking forward to a time when uh kids are dreaming of the types of moonshots they had when I was a kid right being an astronaut go to the Moon um and uh Moon shots that really make the world a better place um so where do we find you on social media Andrew uh well what a vision Peter uh will fight alongside you to make it real for kids around the world you can find me at Andrew yang.com Andrew Yang and most social media platforms or you can go to forward party.com but let's actually build a version of the future we know is possible it's not going to happen without us I love it and watch out for uh for Andrew's uh new book the last election uh and remember the hero is Mark cubin um but don't tell but don't tell Mark that uh pal uh thank you for your vision and I'm going to help spread your word because I believe in what you're saying it makes a heck of a lot of sense have a f thank you Peter it's it's about abundance my friend it [Music] is

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Published: Thu Aug 31 2023