Heavy is the Crown: A Conversation with Tony Browder

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description uh we are back with the hardest working man i know by far uh cultural historian memory recovery specialist author lecturer master teacher director of the asa restoration project the man himself welcome to the show dr tony browder how you doing today brother router i'm wonderful and am especially pleased to be here with you my favorite the right director favorite producer favorite writer so i'm i'm glad we can support each other brother good good good good uh let's get into it let's get into it um this is gonna be an explosive show you guys we got a very special show i'm gonna put a disclaimer out there uh brother browder is doing the work and when you do the work you got haters you got trolls so we are expecting some trolls to be in the building but we're not going to let them uh knock us off our square we got mods in the building watching now so if you come in with that ruckus you will get blocked and that's all you gonna say about that um so we're gonna jump into it brother browder um let's let's get into who brother browder is who is tony browder how did you what is your origin story how did you come into your line of work well i am a product of chicago uh the west side of chicago had my formative years there and um grew up in the 60s man i i'm so pleased now to be able to say that i came of age during the best decade of any century in recent memory the decade of the 1960s was when profound civil rights advancements were made it was when people of african ancestry in the united states began to declare they were black and proud it's a time when they began to embrace their africanness and it's a time when we showed the world who we were and what we were capable of doing we were discovering our our past which had been erased which have been negated for hundreds of years uh it was during the time when the uh the civil rights movement was was gaining steam the black studies movement was gaining steam so many of the advances that have benefited the last two generations of black folk occurred because of the sacrifices that were made by sisters and brothers during the 1960s uh sisters and brothers associated with the black panther party associated with the black studies movement it's when many of the scholars who i was fortunate to sit at the feet of the john henry clarks the john g jacksons the dr ben's um the leonard jeffries uh the ace of hilliards the ivan van surnamus this is when these scholars were really making a way and opening a door for us and i'm so pleased that i was in the right place at the right time to be able to connect with these sisters and brothers and be a vessel that they could pour their light into such that now that many of them are ancestors i'm in a position now to share their light with others to share their light with those who are open and interested in expanding their mind and expanding their consciousness and what i also know brother because of the fact that i've lived on this planet long enough i've had 70 rotations around the sun so i've lived long enough to be able to recognize certain patterns and cycles that present themselves in life and we've had periods of great advancement but we've also had periods where our oppressors uh those who were against the advancement of of anything african anything pro-black would launch attacks uh against against us simply because either they were ignorant or they were hateful or a combination of both so i've i understand what it what it feels like uh to be despised i also understand what it feels like to be able to bring transformative information to your people watch their eyes light up and then see their lives being transformed and that's what this work that's what this process is all about so i left chicago in 1971 to attend howard university and leaving chicago coming to howard was one of the best decisions i could have ever made i came of age here in washington dc i met some phenomenal uh brothers who were able to usher my growth and development into manhood and after graduating from from howard in 1974 i still felt a bit of uneasiness i still felt that i was not prepared to step into the world that i knew was anti-african a world that in many instances was then and still is now anti-black male and i was fortunate to have met some people who gave me exactly what i needed to put my feet on the path uh nana carbona brown is is a person who i will always lift up for having uh introduced me to african spirituality and african culture and helping me understand uh the power of of knowing yourself and it was um in his library where i found uh the first book uh that i ever read about ancient egyptian history and that then prepared me for media ivan van sertima so my life has been a wonderful journey and i'm pleased to be able to share my journey with those who are willing to uh receive the knowledge that i have to share with them brother browder i wanted to ask you about uh dr ivan vance erdema in particular because you you often talk about him you often quote him uh one of the things you told me that you that he would often say is you never say anything in public that you haven't verified with at least three sources uh how was that meeting dr ivan van cerdema and how that uh did meeting him kind of affect your trajectory dr van serdum i met van sertima on february the 21st 1977. a black history month presentation at georgetown law school van sertima had just published his book his magnum opus they came before columbus the african presence in america and in that book van sertimer documented that africans had traveled from the nile to the americas and made multiple journeys and influenced the indigenous populations in the land mass that is now known today as mexico and that these africans were known to the indigenous people here as the olmecs and they were responsible for introducing to this population agriculture astronomy temple building pyramid construction which favorably influenced uh this ancient culture and civilization uh and van cerima was the first person to inform me that the ancient egyptians the ancient kemites were in fact people of african ancestry and this knowledge contradicted everything that i had read in every book everything that i'd seen in television programs and it set me to begin a process of researching in a process of re-educating myself because i'm i'm being exposed to new information that was not a part of my formal educational process and and i want to know i'm a person who's always had a deep curiosity about things a profound desire to want to know more and to improve myself and van cerimo opened a door for me uh which allowed me to become the person that i am now and i'm blessed to have cultivated a very strong and deep relationship with um vance certima and was fortunate to have traveled to mexico twice with him uh in 1990 and 1991 and and with him we actually went to the olmec sites in mexico we went to the home of the uh german uh former german uh diplomat alexander van wuteno von wooteno had in his possession at that time the largest collection of olmec artifacts terra cotta artifacts in which he was able to demonstrate to us based on the physical evidence that these people regarded as the olmecs were in fact african people uh and with van cerima leading the tour and taking us to places like tressaportis we were able to see one of the omic heads which is wearing a nubian a leather nubian helmet and uh in the back of that statue are our braised or cornrows so we had a profound influence a profound trip that was so transformative on so many levels and made me aware of the fact that the story of african people is one of the most misrepresented stories of any people on the planet and that we have an obligation and a responsibility to tell this story uh not just with emotion but with facts so to advance certainly credit i don't talk about the things that i think i don't talk about the things that i believe i talk about what i know and i base what i know on facts and i understand that there there will always be people who disagree with uh certain things that i say or other scholars say and it's all right not everyone has to agree with everything that everyone says but it's a matter of how you disagree is as others have said we can disagree without being disagreeable but what's important is to have a dialogue what's important is to bring evidence to substantiate your your your points uh and and so that i am old enough to know and i think wise enough to know that uh if i am in error i will admit my error if i am given facts if i am shown facts which shows that i am in ever and i will correct my statement and so i i i think that is a a choice that a wise person makes as they move through life because nobody knows everything and anyone who tells you that they do is lying to you and the best thing that you could do is get it as far away from that person as possible because uh you would not have a happy ending in their presence that's a perfect sexy dr browder you i don't even have to ask you questions you could just we could just go the whole two hours you could just you probably know every question i'm gonna ask you um but you bring up an excellent point because i wanted to i wanted to share this story with the people um as far as standards and a level of standard and the expectation that you have and and the quality of the excellence that you bring um back in uh 2018 there is a metamorphosis uh metamorphosis um conference conference all right so so look if you're gonna mention commentaries you have to explain what the metamorphosis is you probably can do that better than i could okay tony rather okay i'll do it in my response so let's let's hear your question so committed amorphouses uh who coined the term was it chapter no no no it was uh lisa douglas okay lisa 2000 yes okay so she coined the term and it's basically a conference for all of the the the the people who got to experience the study tour and go to egypt with with dr browder and uh he goes every year sometimes you go you know you you take groups at least once a year during the summer time and every group that goes uh kind of becomes a bond a strong bond like a family so uh i forgot what was the first metamorphosis conference we had was that 2016. uh no no no the first conference was was held by uh sharon pringle um and it was held at howard university uh as a birthday gift because she was on that trip at least in 2000 and her life was so transformed as a result of that trip and i'm sure i'm sure if sharon doesn't mind me sharing this she's talked about this herself but sharon had graduated from howard university and she was about to to start howard's divinity school she had paid her full tuition for the year and because she was about to get knee-deep into her studies she wanted to treat herself to a trip to egypt prior to beginning divinity school and she came on that trip and we just happened to have been doing a cruise that year and as we were cruising down the now between luxor and aswan i gave my presentation on the nile valley origins of religion now valley origins of christianity and sharon confided to me later that had she known how to swim at that time she would have dove off that boat and gotten far away from me as possible but because of the fact that she she she had to stay she stayed and she listened and what she heard just just transformed her so much so that as she thought about it over the course of the rest of the trip she came back home and she realized that she could not um proceed with her plans to go into divinity school and her family thought she was mad thought she had lost her mind and she had been talking to to lisa who lives in uh connecticut and lisa was was also feeling a profound transformation that had come over her as a result of that trip and lisa coined the phrase metamorphosis which describes the transformative effect that a trip to kimit has on a person who comes prepared to be transformed and um sharon decided i think it was around 2000 three maybe 2004 i have to check my dates but she organized the first metamorphosis conference at howard university as a birthday gift to her family and friends and she invited myself she invited james small and over the course of two days i believe it was uh we came together and talked about african history and culture we talked about african spirituality and as a result of that transformative experience we then began to offer a series of metamorphosis conferences and you brother uh were at the one that was held at the thurgood marshall center in 2018 correct yes i went to two of them i went to two of them uh the second one is the one i'm sharing the story from so the second one uh brother browder you gave me opportunity to speak as you did in the first one um but i really didn't have a plan on what i was gonna say right so i was talking to gina gina was kind of coordinating everybody and setting up the schedule so on the day that i got there i i noticed uh it said that i was going to talk about film and i really didn't want to talk about film uh because this isn't the beginning stages of me working on heavy as the crown and me coming into all of this information and doing all this research right so i go up there you know i had 45 minutes to talk so i go up there and i my purpose was to just share some of the information i was learning i didn't really intend on it being a lecture so um so i give the lecture i actually go overtime you know everybody uh after the lecture everybody's kind of coming up to me telling me i did a good job uh darren mcknight comes in and whispers in my ear he's like hey man uh the lecture you did was was okay it was good man but never quote uh never quote uh budge he's like you gotta use gardner you gotta use gardner and i said oh he was like yeah don't don't ever do that because you embarrass yourself but everything was great so anyway um a couple weeks go by i go home you know i'm expecting i didn't i didn't talk to tony really too much after that so i go home and i'm expecting this phone call from tony telling me how great i did on my presentation right so i finally get this i got i finally get the phone call from tony and i'm excited for this phone call man and uh he's like you know cause tony always gives it to you straight man he always gives it to you straight he's like hey man i want to talk about your presentation at the metamorphosis conference and he's like and i'm cheesing right i'm smiling he's like man i'm gonna give you about a c minus and i said and uh he he broke it down he's like first of all you went up there with your san francisco hat on and when you're going and when you're giving presentations it's like pretend that you're at luxor and you're talking to the ancestors and man he he really he really tightened me up and i was just i was really listening to what he was saying he told me a lot of stuff but uh it was at that moment that i knew how exactly how high tony stan uh tony browder's standard was and how he really expected me to live up to that standard and it let me know how much he saw in me and what he expected from me and um that was very instrumental in me going into heavy as a crown that's why i brought this up because uh it made me really this is in the very beginning stages of me uh working on that film if anybody has been following this page or been following me you probably know that i've been promoting heavy as a crown since like 2018 well after this particular moment uh i went almost went back to the drawing board and i made sure that everything that i included in that film was up to par was verified by late at least three sources and uh i was thinking about you tony the whole time i was doing that because i knew that i said if when this film is done if i could if i could get the approval of tony browder i'm good right and uh it took a long time for me to kind of work work on this and put this together you brought me to chemit in 2016 i had the opportunity to also uh i did the study tour and we spent a week on the dig site which we'll get into and then we had an opportunity to go to sudan uh with brother ronoko um who has since passed but man that that was a special special trip that was life-changing and that is uh you know i wouldn't have gone if it wasn't for tony inviting me uh i want to i want to put that out there so when he's when you're watching heavy as a crown that's tony browder um so i got to go in 2016 and i also got to go back in 2019 uh which was very special and we got to uh do something special on that trip so those two trips for me in particular uh were very instrumental in shaping what you what you guys are going to see on the 22nd um so dr browder um i want to get into a few additional things well look before you do that let me let me comment or yeah yes story yes yes because i i appreciate you uh sharing the story and and i could feel as you were talking i could feel i could feel the emotion building up in you and um and i want to say that uh you know sometimes with some people uh because of the fact uh their egos are so big or so fragile you can't be honest and truthful with them and you know what i what i've always liked about you chris is the fact that that you are a talented person number one you're talented and you're a good man you know you you you've got uh two wonderful children and you care about their well-being and uh and i i saw that in you i recognize that aspect of me in you right and and i thought back to when when i as a single parent i was raising was raising atlantis i thought back when i decided that i wanted to follow in the footsteps of of ac hilliard and john jackson and these other men who i admired so much so um and i thought about how they took the time to talk to me they took the time to answer my phone calls they took the time to to make sure that i was clear about what i was doing and and that i knew what to do but more importantly i knew what not to do and so i felt that that you were someone who i could speak honest honestly to and the beautiful thing is is that you received it you didn't you didn't you didn't give me pushback uh you accepted uh what i what i said because you value my opinion you value our friendship um and then and then you went to work brother you went to work uh several months ago you sent me um a copy as of heavy as the crown and i watched maybe 10 minutes of it and called you immediately yep outstanding there are a lot of good documentaries out here but heavy as a crown is going to be head and shoulders above all of them uh because you have brought together your your skill as a filmmaker and i want to stress that fact you're not just a brother with a camera going out taking pictures you are a filmmaker you went to school for filmmaking uh and so you understand the art you know you are a craftsman uh and and this piece i know we'll be talking about it later but what what um really captivated me was you know my formal training is as an artist and a designer so uh i've come into history uh through the back door but i've always said that i view history through the eyes of an artist i'm not a traditionally trained historian i view history as an artist and and that viewpoint gives me certain skills it allows me to see things and interpret buildings and information differently than someone who may be formally trained as a historian and you have that same gift and so what you've done with heavy is the crown brother you put together a documentary with uh interviews with uh talking heads you also have uh done animation to help clarify the mythology and the story to make it easy for people to internalize and digest and then you also have some dramatizations which is which is outstanding so uh i'm confident that your res the reception too heavy is a crown will will make you will make you proud of your accomplishment and i trust that people will value you as an artist value you as a filmmaker value you as a historian any storyteller and understand how critically important it is to use this medium film in order to convey history to people who have been socialized to um to have a dysfunctional relationship with books and reading so it's another way we can deliver content to people who need it the most so uh i thank you for listening i thank you for being receptive to to the criticism and and then using that criticism to go higher and higher and that's what a real man does that's what a real artist does and i want to uh commend you for that thank you brother browder those words mean a lot to me uh that man i don't even know how to respond to that uh like i said when i got that phone call from you and i got your your approval man that was just that was all i needed to to move forward that was validation for me so uh that moment man um was uh i'm talking about the metamorphosis conference that moment when you when you kind of tighten me up like that that was very very necessary um and that was probably the one of the most important moments in my life uh particularly as it relates to the work that i'm doing so i i sincerely appreciate you for that um i know you did it all out of love and knowing what my potential is and uh i i'm happy that i was able to show that to you um so speaking of standards i want to go back in time for for a little bit uh a little bit and i want you to every time uh i'm around you you always share a story about dr clark uh so i wanted you to share a tony browder's story about dr clark and the level of uh of of scholarship that he expected from people um i first met dr clark in february of 1981. i just returned from my first trip to egypt with dr ben and uh dr clark was speaking at uja mashule the oldest independent african senate school in washington d.c and clark was probably i guess at that time clark was probably in his late 50s 1981 and he was he was everything that i wanted to be in a man in terms of he was he was brilliant he was funny he was approachable um and he was just this this font of of wisdom and kindness and and love that that caused me literally to fall in love with him i just i just appreciated his persona so much and was blessed that he and i were able to cultivate a um a working relationship um until until the time that he died um i can remember one of my one of my proudest moments was when i had with two two very proud moments in 1987 i organized a lecture series here in washington dc the lecture series was named after a lecture that asa had done and they said another person who i hold in high regard uh just as i do dr clark excuse me and uh and they say had done a 13 part um half an hour television uh series of interviews on howard's tv station with elizabeth middleton uh host of the show for the people and asa's 13-part interview was entitled free of mind return to the source and it dealt with african history dealt with the nile valley it dealt with how how one can document the african origins of kemet the african origins of now valley civilization and now valley civilization is more than chemic it includes uh cush sudan nubia it includes ethiopia it includes all of the coaches that extend the length of the nile valley with egypt just being the the one that gets the majority of the of the credit and acknowledgement so this free of my lecture series began on memorial day in 1987. and um as a result of my having been so profoundly influenced by the nile valley conference which asa uh charles finch and ivan van sertima organized in morehouse in 1984 september of 1984 and that four-day conference made me realize that when i saw all of these scholars these brilliant scholars i i said that's what i wanted to do and i also wanted to create an opportunity so that i can bring these same scholars to washington dc so they can share their knowledge their enlightenment with with the community in which i was then living so um one of my proudest moments was in 1989 when we did a free of mine lecture called the elder symposium in which i brought together three of my favorite scholars john g jackson john harry clark and dr josephine john jackson is is a brilliant brilliant man uh john jackson um taught john henry clark when clark migrated to uh harlem from uh from alabama and was part of the harlem history club and jackson and clark then brought a young dr josephine yaconen under their wing when he also came to harlem which was you know the black mecca um and so to be able to bring these three men these three giants together in one venue was was a feather in my cap it was the first time the three of them had been together in over 20 years and we had a two-day program that was so transformative i think uh our first night we had about 1200 people in attendance and it was it was it was it was profoundly impactful for me to bring three men that i admired together so i can share them with with our community and then um 1980 uh i was working on my second book now valley contributions to civilization and um i had asked dr clark if he would write the introduction to nile valley contributions to civilization and so it just so happened that i had clark i had come had brought him into town to do a presentation to free your mind lecture and um picked him up from the airport took him to the hotel and and every time we would do these lectures we we would make the rounds at the local radio stations uh we had three black owned radio stations in dc at the time um we were going the uh kathy hughes morning show on wol wl is now the largest black owned communications network in the world we then go to wpfw and do an interview and then to the university of the district of columbia's radio station and do an interview so we would make the rounds um and then we would go to the lecture and dr clark was his usual brilliant self and after the lecture i took him back to his hotel and um and i was beat that day i mean i've been running you know i'm running you know doing a little bit of everything and so um setting up for the program doing the interviews and i was tired and so clark had an early flight back to new york and i i figured you know look i need to get some rest so i made arrangements for one of my colleagues uh joseph hanna as a matter of fact to take dr clark to the airport in the morning so i could get a little rest so i took clark to his room uh go to his room and then he tells me he directs me over to a corner of the room because by this time dr clark was blind and he tells me to go over to to the room and there's a folder there and to pick up that folder it's uh my introduction his introduction to my book so i i took the folder i thanked her very much and then i left i went home so i get home and i'm hyped you know long day i'm hyped i can't go to sleep so i said let me let me look at let me read dr clark's introduction and i was nervous know what he was going to say so i opened the envelope and i read the his introduction and i was just floored by all the kind and wonderful things that he had to say and and i read it again and i'm like man this is you know i'm so honored i'm so thrilled and and i have to take him to the airport tomorrow i have to tell him you know how pleased i am that he said these wonderful things about me so i called up joseph and said look joe it was about one o'clock in the morning i said joe look uh i'm going to take dr clark to the airport tomorrow right so i pick him up from the hotel drive him to the airport and this is 1991 so at that time you could literally go through security with uh the person who was flying you can go to the gate with the person who can fly who was flying you could also go on the plane with the person who was flying and because of the fact that dr clark was was illegally blind at the time i um escorted him onto the plane onto his seat and made sure that everything was fine with him uh before i left um and as i was about to leave this one of the uh flight attendants came to me and said oh it was so kind the way you're you're attending to your grandfather and i said well yeah uh he he means the world and i want a special care of this man because of the fact he means the world to me so you know it it just is so filly man to to be able to be in the presence of people you admire love respect and appreciate and to be able to do things for them to demonstrate how much you you love respect and appreciate them and now that um clark is an ancestor you know i i do the work that i do knowing that he has my back knowing that he's looking over my shoulder knowing that he's there to to guide me to whisper in my ear and and to protect me as i move forward so uh to be able to not only stand on the shoulders of giants but to also be able to [Music] to have uh the key to invite them from the ancestral realm into the physical world so that you can maintain communication with them and guidance from them is really what this process is all about and something that the clark also said he said this uh one time when he was speaking during the lecture and talked about the work that we do um the work that he and his colleagues were doing and he said that you know some people think that this is just a lecture uh that we're just writing books and talking about the books that we've read he said but this is um this is a priesthood this is sacred work and when you view it as sacred work when you view it as your life's calling uh you bring a certain degree of respect for the work i respect for the people that you deliver the content to you have an obligation to do your best you have an obligation to be truthful to be honest um and to explode the myths dispel the lies and to enlighten people so that they can empower themselves and and this process is so especially important for for us people of african ancestry because we've been lied to because we've been uh our our history and our culture our traditions have been appropriated we have been erased from the respectable commentary of human history and as dr clark was one to always reference an article which transformed his life as a 19 year old young man an article written by arthur schomberg entitled the negro digs up his past now reading that article uh made him want to one go to harlem and meet schonberg and two begin to understand african history and schomburg told him well before you understand african history you have to first understand the history of the people who oppressed you you have to understand world history and then you put all of this information in context in order to figure out where the african story is in world history where the african story is in european history and when you have that context you then have a a vantage point to view the world from a perspective that the average person lacks most people don't like history because um you know we they haven't been taught by good history teachers they think history is just names and and dates and places and things history is a life something that van certimat said in the lecture uh stuck with me he said that the streets we walked on we walk on were built by the dead the houses that we live in were built by the dead the things that are part of our lives the books we read uh the programs the movies that we watch were created by people many of whom are now dead but what you realize by understanding the power of history is that the dead are not dead the dead are still alive their essence is still with you when you know that when you don't fear death when you cultivate a love affair with history with facts with truth with my heart with justice knowledge and understanding then it creates a means by which those deceased ancestors can speak to you and it's through that process of maintaining this this this connection this spiritual connection this ancestral connection is what uh separates the the true scholars from the folk who are just out here making noise right who don't really have a foundation to stand on the people who will be forgotten as soon as they die so it's about realizing that this is uh we are continuing a legacy that has been passed down from mouth to ear from generation to generation to generation since the beginning of time this is sacred work and when you approach it from that vantage point then it makes it easier to do this work exactly uh speaking of sacred work uh i want to use that opportunity to segue and what you're doing in egypt right now brother browder with the acer restoration project um can you can you give us a taste of what you're doing over there sure sure um so just to give you context the acer restoration project was named for my dear colleague my brother and my friend my jugna ac hilliard who had such a phenomenal influence on my life it was ac hilliard who wrote the introduction to my first book from the broader file in 1989. 1989 very few people had ever heard of anthony browder but people around the world knew of ac hilliard and just having aces name on that book has helped to make that book a perennial bestseller and the study tours that i have been doing since 1987 a study tours that i patterned after the study tours that dr hilyard gave in egypt i was blessed to have traveled to egypt with him i think about three or four times and asa was a consummate teacher a profound educator a master teacher a dutiful father a wonderful husband and a great human being i mean a really great human being and what i appreciated about asa was that uh he was always time conscious um he said the you know the bus leaves at such such a time and the bus left at that time he started his um lectures at uh at eight o'clock and he would start his lecture uh so the lectures were always held after dinner dinners from seven days to lectures from eight until whenever and he would start his lectures at eight o'clock on the dot even if there was one person there because he understood the value of the work and how important it was to help our people understand the value of time time is everything and if they know you're going to start on time when they see you leave to go down to the lecture they're going to follow you because they want the information that you have to provide so asa um did the opening keynote address at a conference that uh ascak sponsored in aswan egypt in august of 2007. azkac is the association for the study of classical african civilizations and the the conference was held in aswan egypt and the governor of luxor at that time was invited to do the opening address it did and he said that he had other commitments so that he wouldn't be able to stay for for asa's um entire address asa gave the opening keynote address and he said before uh he parted that um you know he didn't want to appear disrespectful when he left but uh he was going to have to leave because of other commitments well asa came in to speak and anyone who has ever been in the presence of acid hilliard knows that when asa talks asa just just drops knowledge it just pours out of every pore in his body but when asa walked into the room that morning i could tell that asa wasn't wasn't quite well we didn't know he was ill and we certainly didn't know at the time that that would be the last lecture that ace would ever give and i would say that asa was probably operating at about 70 percent uh of the aces scale of excellence but a says 70 is better than the average person at 200 percent and he gave this phenomenal presentation um every time he talked about history african history or comedic history he always brought something new he wasn't just rehashing old facts and he he he had us spellbound uh and then after aces spoke the governor of luxor said that he wanted to make some comments he didn't leave he said that he was so enthralled by the information that asa had to share that he could not leave and he said and i am paraphrasing but i'm capturing the essence of of his comments that day he said he learned more about his own history listening to asa hilliard than he had ever thought possible that's the power of being in the presence of a master teacher someone who shares information for information's sake who does not have an agenda who does not have an ego and is interested in the transformation of consciousness that comes when one is able to present truth documented truth which speaks for itself and so um that presentation was on the 7th of august 2007. asa passed on the 13th of august i was in washington dc when i heard on on the radio that achilles had just passed and and you know i couldn't believe it um you know i just seen him the week before and i made a call to atlanta and uh it was confirmed that asa passed uh earlier that morning in anne wasted hospital and um i cried like a baby man asa was was uh was a father to me he was he was someone that i admired very deeply and um you know i i carried that that that sadness of his death with me for um for well over a year and so the following year the following summer in july of 2008 i finally acquiesced to request that my dear friend and brother abunaga gabrielle who was my guide in egypt for 21 years this man was was one of the kindest uh most knowledgeable persons i ever met in my life he was a man who didn't know strangers i mean he could he could make friends with anyone uh it was just a fountain of knowledge and got along so wonderfully with people we had a we had a wonderful relationship i watched uh his his three children grow up and and was uncle to his children and he kept telling me tony you've got to come to egypt and and take my tour to the western desert and abunaga had had created the tours to the western desert and i kept putting him off man i said look you know i don't have time and i'm busy i'm busy so finally i said well yes i i will go so that july i flew to egypt early because i had a study tour a week later flew to egypt early he met me um in cairo and we hooked up with a driver who had a four-wheel drive vehicle and a satellite phone and we headed west from cairo into the western desert and i had one of the most profoundly spiritual experiences i ever had in my life we camped under the stars we saw we saw dinosaur bones in the middle of the desert our shark's teeth in the middle of a desert we found the carcass of a whale in the middle of a desert brother and i realized for the first time that there's much more to the story than i ever knew we camped under the stars and i remember being awakened at three four o'clock in the morning and looked up in the nighttime sky and for the first time in my life i understood that statement a blanket of stars in the sky every square inch of this blanket of blackness was covered with a dot was a star or a planet everywhere and as my eyes adjusted to the nighttime sky i could see the milky way and i began to understand the ancient uh the ancient text now valley text about the now river being referred to as the river in the sky the milky way is now river in the sky and i began to understand this this profound correlation between uh newt who represented not just the sky but she represents the milky way um i began to understand the significance of ma'at who doesn't just represent the universe she represents the forces of the cosmos which direct every aspect of life within the cosmos within the universe and on the planet so it was like being in this in this in this space with my friend my brother that i i got a really deep understanding of what this life and what this journey is all about well long story short uh we finally arrived in luxor i spent several days at his flat on the west bank of luxor and then one evening he sent his nephew over uh to tell me of this new um excavation that he was working on he was working in concert with alina pistikova who had found the lost tombs of south asif and we had a conversation with dr pistacova made arrangements to meet her the next day and she showed me uh the results of two years of excavations at the site and um when i saw what she had done when i saw you know how profoundly dedicated she was to doing this work uh restoring the lost tones of south island the lost 25th dynasty tombs uh i could hear ace in one ear saying tony you know you're here for a reason you can't pass up this opportunity i could hear dr parker say tony you know you've got to help this woman ensure that this work continues and so i created a non-profit the acer restoration project in order to raise funds in order for us to support this work and it's been one of the proudest accomplishments of my life we've had we're going into our 14th year and we have cultivated you know meaningful relationships with uh egyptian people uh we have over 125 people who work for us we have been able to um we've been able to you know and the beauty of it is when you think about it in the larger context uh we've raised over the past 14 years over 2 million dollars and that money is being used to buy supplies it's being used to pay the salaries of men so that they can put clothes on their backs they can put food on their tables and medicines in their children's bodies so this relationship that we've cultivated with with our colleagues with our friends with our brothers uh and sisters on the west bank of the now is one that has transformed me uh you know so profoundly we met some incredible people some some kind wonderful people who look out for us like we are their own brothers and and i've said on several occasions that um i feel safer on the west bank of luxor than i did on the west side of chicago and and this is not just because we're we're bringing money to the site and we have all of these people working for us it's because there's profound admiration and respect for each other and this has allowed us to do what very few people have done uh working um doing excavations uh in egypt and it's one of um it's one of my proudest accomplishments and we have uh excavated uh the tombs of three cushite noblemen caraca men um karaboshkin and nez bernadette and for us to be able to connect the history and the traditions of the 25th dynasty with their cushite ancestors was uh was and is uh profoundly uh enriching experience and and you had the opportunity chris we went to sedan with uh brother bonoko who is now an ancestor in 2016 we had a chance to visit the homeland of the very people whose tombs were excavating and because of the experience that we've gained working in south asif as we moved through sudan i could recognize some of the same symbols i could i could see the value of the work that we're doing and so it's it's very fulfilling uh and very humbling uh to be able to do this work and to be able to work with a phenomenal team of egyptians and and on on the other side of that too we don't just you know come there and and and work during the four months of the out of the year we've developed meaningful relationships with uh many of the people who work for us i i recall there was a uh an inspector who whose son was in an automobile accident and had glass in his eye and he was blinded in one eye his son i think was about 13 years old at the time and i told my friend that we had someone who was coming to the site who was an ophthalmologist an eye doctor and and maybe they could examine your son to see uh how they could assist him and uh so he gave me permission to follow through on that i called my colleague um and she came over with some with some equipment to to examine him and when she returned home back to virginia she talked with other uh colleagues and they said based on their evidence that uh we would like to uh we think we can help him and so we made arrangements in 2011. we made arrangements uh to bring this young man uh and his father to the united states so that they can go to virginia to be seen by the doctors and i remember as i shared this information with some of my colleagues some of the inspectors i remember going into their office and they called up zahi awas who was the director of antiquities at that time zai said that um that he was pleased with our efforts and what we were doing that he would make uh he would do everything within his power to ensure that the father had the opportunity to travel to egypt and um and and go and take a son to be examined and so they did come it was in february of 2011. they did visit the doctor uh and all the expenses were taken care of you know so we're not just there uh bringing people on study tours egypt we're not just there excavating in egypt we have meaningful loving relationships with the egyptian people and we view them as brothers we view them as family so to be able to extend this this opportunity to help a member of the family is part of what this work is all about and and so while uh my guests were staying in my home in maryland um the arab spring took off and at the the revolution in um in egypt and so we're watching we're watching all the events unfold so i'm watching cnn and my colleague and his son are watching uh egyptian tv on his son's computer and then we're comparing notes about what's happening and that was a real uh enlightening experience too because i found out in comparing notes that the version i was hearing on cnn was different than the version that he was sharing with me um from the egyptian news and it and again it helps me to get a better understanding of how news works you know news is not always about truth it's oftentimes about emotion it's about hyping people up and developing a specific mindset so one has to be very careful about what one sees in the news one has to be very careful but what one hears uh on social media because there are people out there who are very hateful and spiteful people um very close-minded and and they say mean things simply because that's you know that may be that's maybe what's in their heart uh sometimes it may be done out of ignorance um and sometimes it's done intentionally but that's the way of the world there are people like that but that's not the majority of people out here and so it's important for me to know that the world is full of people with good intentions and when people with good intentions come together they can do some phenomenal things and so the ace of restoration project has afforded us an opportunity to work together with uh egyptian people and do some phenomenal work that is meaningful to everyone not just to egyptians not just to americans not just to people within the african-american community but to people all over the world because they benefit everyone benefits from this work and and that's really what this work is all about helping helping humanity exactly brother bowder we're gonna we're gonna show the trailer uh one of the trailers that i i had the opportunity to to produce uh first of all let me say that i had the i had the opportunity to go to the site twice and uh everybody there loves you everybody in egypt loves you brother browder they they all say dr browder they all smile when they see you so there's a great level of respect that i have seen personally uh just in the way you are treated and the way that you treat um the people who um are helping you with uh with the dig and uh i i commend you for that uh you have great relationships with pretty much everybody uh you are a man of integrity and i i get to see that in in person in in action uh particularly when i get to go to uh to egypt with you so we're gonna show uh a trailer uh the latest trailer that we worked on and uh we'll be back in a few you guys too then [Music] uh [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Applause] [Music] i'm especially appreciative of our incredible mission members who have done the impossible when these tombs were visited over 100 years ago they were said to be almost totally and completely destroyed we have brought them back to life we have restored the names of karaboskin restored the name of caracamen and by the time we're finished with our work in south africa it's my hope my desire that this location will be known as the valley of the kush i know this all right all right we are back what did you guys think about that trailer man put something in the comment section tell me what no this is the work that that you do yes this is one of the reasons why you know i admire you as a filmmaker um you're you're you're a true artist and thank you thank you you're a genius the editing the music all of these details man um they mean a lot to me because i'm an artist and i know what goes into work it's not easy but uh you are a master brother and i appreciate you and respect you for the work that you do thank you brother you you make it easy for me you make it easy for me you you you inspire me man i'm i'm truly appreciative to be a part of this story a part of your story a part of this legacy a part of our legacy and i get a front row seat being with brother browder so thank you for that um we're going to continue with the show uh i do want to take some time to acknowledge some of the super chats jay bo thank you for the hundred dollar super chat i think jabo's from east oakland uh if i'm not mistaken uh a fellow grounds huh yeah fellow towner uh shout out to east oakland that's where i'm from um darlene moore thank you for the ten dollar super chat we appreciate you von willy thank you for the 10 super chat we appreciate you uh we're going to continue with the show um brother browder i i wanted you to touch on um and give your interpretation of uh the importance of myth and mythology and uh i also wanted you to kind of lead that uh uh into the asarian drama and give a quick rundown of of what the asarian drama is and how that uh relates to mythology sure sure my understanding and appreciation of myths has been enriched by the work of joseph campbell who is you know a phenomenal researcher historian and mythologist if there is such a word if not i just made it up um but i remember hearing him on on a pbs special an interview that bill moyers did with him and that interview was turned into a book called the power of myth and during the course of the interview mr campbell talked about the fact that myths are are our fables if you will stories that are larger than life that describe events of people who themselves are larger than life but serve as a model for humanity a model for how one can meet and overcome challenges and adversities every culture has myths and many of these cultures have the same myths or should i say variations of the same myth that are interpreted through a different cultural lens so what joseph campbell did was to follow the thread of myths that go that have spread all over the world going back thousands and thousands of years and he he hypothesized that the fundamental myth which has uplifted and transformed the world is the myth of the asarian drama the story of asar asset in heru who often times are better known by their greek names osiris isis and horus and that it is that story that fundamental story which serves as the foundation for the three western religions it has served as the foundation for mythologies in other cultures greek mythology roman mythology um native uh mythologies of coaches all around the planet and he also shared something that was that was interesting and and quite true that the the asarian drama was the inspiration for star wars right uh and so two two pieces to connect this story the interview that bill moyers did with joseph campbell was held um near oakland um san francisco at skywalker ranch right right right skywalker ranch so that facility that multi-billion dollar facility that george lucas created as a result of the billions of dollars that he's made off of the star wars films the nine star wars films but the first story is about luke skywalker and the story of luke skywalker has all of the fundamental elements of the story of heru or horus a boy born without a father a boy whose life was in danger by the people who were responsible for killing his father and the boy goes on a journey to find himself and during the course of that journey he encounters an elder who teaches them who he is who teaches him his history his culture who restores his memory and helps him understand that his sole purpose for being was to restore the land of his ancestors and he then becomes the quintessential hero so that's the essence of star wars and he also shared in during that interview that george lucas was first when he began university uh i forget the university of southern california one major institution in california i believe it was usc usc university of southern california okay he was going to be a philosophy major and one of the first books that he was introduced to was joseph campbell and once he understood the power of myth then george lucas realized that film is the most powerful medium for conveying myths so he changed his major from philosophy to film and star wars has literally transformed the consciousness of millions of people hundreds of millions of people across at least two generations around the planet so the asarian drama is the fundamental myth of most cultures it is the story of a tsar and a set asar is regarded as the um founding father of nile valley civilization he is credited with having come into kemet the original name for the country that the greeks renamed egypt he is said to have united the two lands he is said to have introduced meadow necher the writing form which the greeks referred to as hieroglyphics and he is also said to have introduced um agriculture which made it possible for him to feed the people of his nation and asar took as his bride a a lovely um nubian a cushite woman by the name of a set and this woman was his co-region she was not less than him she was his equal she was his peer and then asar decided after he had established the nation for he and his wife he decided that he was going to travel to other parts of the african continent to share his knowledge to share his technology with his brothers and sisters on the continent so that he could lift him out of darkness into light out of darkness it sounds familiar right sounds a little familiar yeah and so as asar was about to leave he left his wife a set to run their nation now according to the story there's multiple versions of the story i saw his brother set felt cheated he felt that he should have been left to run the nation and he plotted to murder tsar long story short seth ultimately killed a tsar and depending on which version of the story you read in the story that most people are familiar with written by plutarch the greek historian plutarch sarah's body was cut into 14 pieces and scattered throughout the land a set then fearing for her life uh we're looking for the missing pirates of azsar's body she is said to have found 14 13 of the 14 parts of the tsar's body and then she found these body parts she washed them she anointed them with oils and then with the 13 parts that she had found she literally laid them out on the table and literally remembered her husband assault put his body back together again wrapped his body in bandages and created the first sahu sahu was the comedic term for uh the the physical body that we refer to as mummy which is an arabic term and then because of the fact that it took a set 70 days to find a tsar's body and to prepare his body for a funeral 70 days became the time frame for the process of mummification or solidification and kimit for the next 3 000 years so that is how important this story was and then a set prior to burying her husband she grieved as any widow would grieve uh agreed because she was about to bury the man that she loved greed because he had never had children together and so according to the myth the spirit of asar came and impregnated his wife who according to some versions of the story was a virgin they had never consummated their marriage and so one can go to the temple of the bitos and see a wonderfully raised relief carving that shows uh asar lying on his funeral bed and a set in the form of a a falcon [Music] being impregnated by her husband and then nine months later a set gives birth to their son heru who is said to have been born on the same birth date as his father and that date has been given to us um in using the gregorian calendar as december 25th so heru was born of a virgin on december 25th and there was a star that hung over the the the spot where he was born and there was a constellation um now we know this constellation today as orion and orion could be readily identified as seven stars which comprise this constellation but there are three distinct stars which make up the belt of orion and those three stars point to the star in the east which is known as the eastern star which is really uh known as the pettit or the star sirius and so what we see is we well well let me finish this part of the narrative and then i'll explain it so um hero was born and with the birth of peru set who was now running egypt and was literally running egypt in the ground set represents the forces of isfit confusion fear evil a set had to hide her son from the king so that he would not be murdered and there is an image in the temple of fellaini of a set hiding her son among the bull rushes the story sounds familiar that's i was just i was just gonna say this story sounds very funny brother brother there is nothing new in the world except the history or mythology that you do not know that's why you study that's why you read um and so a set then with the help of her sister and the help of jihoody raised this young child so that he could fulfill his reason for being born and that reason was to do battle with his uncle set and restore his father's kingdom and that is in fact what happened here was an adult battled set and in the temple of edfu you can see that scene of this battle between hero and seth carved on the inner retaining wall of um of this temple and aru then goes on to become the legitimate heir to the throne of his father and so as this story unfolds peru ascends to the throne of his father becomes the king of kemet and at the moment he becomes the ruler of kemet then his father asar is resurrected from the dead and takes his place on the throne of judgment so father and son are co-regents her rules over the physical world the earth and his father rules over the metaphysical world or the spiritual realm in heaven so that when assad was resurrected heru then created a monument to represent the resurrection of his father and there's a passage in the bible that says honor thy father and thy mother so that that days may be long and you will prosper well that is what heru did harold created the tekken the structure that is now better known by his greek name obelisk to represent the resurrection of his father so that symbol of the titan is the oldest symbol of resurrection known to mankind the oldest symbol of resurrection known to mankind and that is a story that represents the founding parents of the history and culture of ancient kemet a sar asset in hero so it is from the word heru that the greeks write the word horus and it's from the word horus or heru that we derive the word hero hero is derived from the eru and the hero is someone who overcomes seemingly impossible eyes does the impossible with the assistance of their ancestors and they become a role model for their people so this according to joseph campbell is the foundational myth of most cultures on this planet and as as as we would as i was telling the story and you're nodding your head you know that this foundational myth is an integral part of uh of the bible uh and and so it's important to be able to put this information in context and understand the power of myths myths are not necessarily true but they contain truth they're created in order to pass on information that is timeless and is not linked to a specific personality historical personality and so um these this particular myth is important during this time of year and on this day which is easter the day of the resurrection of jesus the christ and so the story of jesus is a mirror image to the story of heru both born of a virgin both born on december 25th there was the star that shown over the location where they were born and three stars represented the three wise men who came to bring them gifts so once one understands the power of myth the transformative power of myth one can read the bible and see that the bible is just as several pastors have shared with me the bible contains truth but the bible is not true in other words it's a story of myths and allegories and one has to have a certain degree of knowledge and awareness so that you can get the gems of truth that are within this story and you then could use these gems to sow a meaningful and productive life that benefits not just you and your family and your community but the world this information is supposed to be transformative and and the other important part of this story that was brought to my attention i guess about 15 16 years ago speaking with a dear friend of mine another filmmaker uh here in washington dc highly gurima uh who uh wrote directed and produced the the film sankofa which is you know 25 i think it'll be 26 25 years old 25 years old phenomenal film uh that that speaks to the african and african-american experience of sankofa going back and reclaiming the knowledge of the past highly share with me uh he's got his his facility his production studios right on georgia avenue not too far from howard university and i was in there one day and highly highly was getting on me he said tony you know you and asa you're spending all your time in egypt man you're spending all your time in egypt but you need to come to ethiopia the force of the now that's the source of the blue now and that's the source of much of the mythology that serves as the cornerstone for the uh knowledge in the history of kemet and so i found out just listening to my friend i didn't really understand what he was saying at the time but did my research talk to other folk and i found out that the story of the the historian story is of ethiopian roots it originated in ethiopia and where the asarian drama is a story that's maybe um 5 000 6 000 years old the ethiopian version of the story is closer to 10 000 years old and the three personalities are identical even the names of the personalities are similar so what that suggests to me is that um one must do additional research in the upper now valley that is in sudan as well as in ethiopia to find these hidden kernels of truth that are waiting for the right people to come at the right time with the right spirit the right information uh in order to uncover this knowledge that will continue to transform the kind of one who is ready to to grow and have their consciousness transformed now i accept the fact that this information is not for everybody i'm not proselytizing i'm not trying to convince anybody uh of anything uh everyone's entitled to believe what you want to believe but that belief is your belief um and i feel very strongly that no one has the right to impose their beliefs on others that's one of the problems that we see in this society and in the world right now people believing that what they believe is the only thing that counts and anyone who doesn't believe what they believe is is wrong and they can justifiably uh murder you they can harass you they can answer you simply because you believe in something different than theirs and so i can pull another quote from the bible um you know and all that getting we're to get wisdom not foolishness not just information not just knowledge but wisdom which is the correct application of knowledge and so it takes time to cultivate wisdom uh and so that's one of the reasons why uh many of the the great philosophers if i were to go back to to greek history and culture for a minute many of the philosophers in ancient greece were old men with beards and a beard is a symbol of age it's something of wisdom it represents someone who has lived long enough to recognize the truth and recognize lies or have truths when they hear them and can distinguish between the three and speak the truth that is transformative so that those souls who are truly desirous to elevate their consciousness will know which path to follow because uh there's an african proverb that says if you don't know where you're going any role will take you there brother browder it's hard for me to conduct this interview with you because i'm just getting lost and i'm i forgot i'm hosting the show you're good you for giving me the time to yeah do what i like to do and that's you know sharing your knowledge and wisdom with that i'm just enamored man by by the jewels that you drop um continuing with mythology uh by the way you guys uh the asari and drama uh if you guys want to really see that in action yeah guess what yes you get to see that in heaviest the crown coming uh april 22nd you get to see a reenactment with real actors and it might remind you of something that we just discussed so i'll just i'll leave it at that so you guys check it out uh pre-order links are in the description box below uh we got what five days you guys five days so the film comes out i know you guys are excited let's get to it brother browder in continuing with mythology uh we always say or end our prayers with amen everything we say amen amen uh they say that amen means so be it but i know better than that and you know better than that uh i want you to explain uh the the true meaning of our men as i understand it amen is a comedic word which comes out of the now valley which identifies the unseen presence of the creator or or god if you will um and and it's important too to put some things in context uh god is a um indo-european term um the ancient um kimites did not refer to these beings as gods their word was necher and nature is a term which identifies the aspects of the creator so to give you some context um these people understood that the mind of men and women is too feeble to really comprehend the totality of this thing called god of the creator and so one of the best ways that one can come to know something that is almost impossible to understand given the limited scope of our mental and intellectual capabilities one can better understand a profoundly great thing by looking at its fragments the pieces that comprise the whole and so the term nature speaks to the principles or aspects of the creator that exists within the environment and so we find in the nile valley that there are natures associated with with air shoe there's a nectar associated with uh the water there's a nature associated with the land there's a nature associated with the sky there's a nature associated with plants and animals and so all of these aspects of divinity were defined based upon the attributes associated with them so to to outsiders to to ill-informed people they would look at uh let's say the the image of jihoody uh which is a a um a human body with the head of an ibis uh a bird with a long uh pointed beak um and say that these african people and the people in the nile valley are african there's no mistake about that um that they worship animals you see sigmet uh a female figure with the head of a lioness uh you see heru uh masking figure with the head of a falcon and they would say that these people are worshiping animals and that's the furthest thing from the truth that is incorrect and incorrect assessment of a profoundly spiritual metaphorical and symbolic representation of an aspect of divinity and so what you see with jihoody jihoody represents the process of of divine articulation of speech jehudi represents thought so for example the greeks knew jihoody as tauth t-h-o-t-h and it's from the word tossed that we have derived the word thought t-h-o-u-g-h-t so to be engaged in the process of having a dialogue like we're having right now i'm speaking to you uh but i also understand that thought precedes speech so before i say these words i must first formulate them in my mind i must first engage in the qualities the attributes associated with jihuty or divine speech so that i can i can pull down into my consciousness the right ideas the right expressions so that i can share them with you share them with the audience so that we have understanding that's the whole purpose of communication to have understanding so anytime someone is talking to you and they say you know what i'm saying you know what i mean you know what i'm saying they're communicating ineffectively anytime you have to ask someone if do you know what i'm saying it means that you don't even think you're communicating effectively so it's thoughtful speech it's intentional speech and so these are aspects associated with with the creators so uh in the nile valley they identify three aspects for the sun and the sun is the oldest symbol of the creator known to mankind the sun is responsible for all life the sun is 93 million miles away from the planet earth it takes light traveling 187 000 miles per second uh eight minutes almost eight minutes to travel from the sun to the earth and yet the light from the sun the electromagnetic energy from the sun causes plants to grow it causes animals to to come back to life it warms the atmosphere and causes people to come out and engage in all types of activities so the sun the s-u-n is one of the oldest symbols for the creator creative spirit and so in the nile valley there were three distinct names for the sun when the sun rose in the morning on the east bank of the nile it was known as kepray a word that means rebirth or renewal when the sun reached its highest point and stood over the uh at the meridian of the nile it was known as rey which is a term which represents the creator on high and when the sun set in the west and disappeared from horizon it was known as amen which is a nile valley term which means hidden or concealed so these incredibly brilliant and talented um astronomers and philosophers and thinkers within the nile valley the entire nile valley not just kim but the entire nile valley contributed to the development of this knowledge which had this crystallus in chemic um they knew that the sun would arise in the east in the morning as separating will be reborn and the process would start all over again and so the east became associated with life the west became associated with death and so our men represents the unseen creator who even though is no longer visible to the naked eye within your consciousness within your third eye you know that this creative spirit is always with you and that it will return in the morning in a different form as kepray and the process continues for another day and so they saw this as a metaphor not just for the possession of the sun but as a possession of life human beings experienced this same phenomenon and so within this african civilization and i want to stress that as an african civilization because kimit is um in africa uh it is uh a part of the now valley the longest uh river in the world the only river in the world which flows from south to north and so within traditional african culture and civilization there is this there is this understanding of this concept which was referred to in in kemet as the rohingya missile or the repetition of the birth that there is no death that we human beings like the sun are continually reborn and so what today represents for people of the christian faith is the rebirth of jesus the christ but those who have studied history know that that story was derived from an older story that's at least 4 000 years older that documented the rebirth the resurrection of asar and asar taking his place on the throne of judgment then is the final judge of every soul every person who comes before him on judgment day assad determines whether where they would spend their their time in the afterlife and so what you have in in chemists specifically whenever a king would ascend to the throne he would take on a hero name he would become the living personification of heru in other words that ancestor heru was expressing himself through the physical being of that king and that the king had an obligation and the responsibility to maintain the tradition of his ancestors to keep ma'at present within within the nile valley to keep isfet out of this sacred land and thus when the king died the king would become asar he would become resurrected as a sar and they would strike that that pose the which we know as the assarian poles and give thanks to your your your homeboy ryan coogler forever pose and even in even in the film the black panther uh you have the saying where uh t'challa uh goes into the ancestor realm and meets his father communicates with his father right t'challa is the new black panther so we see the parallels uh in black panther of the assarian drama so this myth continues to live and it continues to transform consciousnesses and if you have enough knowledge and appreciation of the power of myth you can see how it shows up in your life and respect it for what it is absolutely thank you brother browder for breaking that down i had a bunch of questions that you have probably answered about two or three of them uh but you always do that i don't even have to ask you the questions uh brother browder uh in wrapping up i want you to uh discuss this concept of sankofa particularly as it relates to your work in um uh reconstructing a tomb of the 25th 26th dynasty when you look at that dynasty um where they what they admittedly i think it's the only dynasty that they admit is nubian or kasitic um but you have this constant uh process of renewing the old uh going back and restoring the old um even uh at your site you know i'm looking at the the meadow nectar and it looks very very uh much like old kingdom um meadow nectar uh i wanted you to discuss why that process was important and how we can implement that process of uh essentially resurrecting uh ourself sure sure um well the significant one of the significant things of the 25th dynasty which has been given short shrift in um in egyptian history there's 30 dynasties within the history of kemet before it became egypt and that the 25th dynasty is acknowledged by contemporary egyptologists as the nubian or kusai dynasty so what we have are kings from kush modern-day sudan coming into kemet after she had fallen on hard times and so the first king was costa who brought his troops into wasset uh which is now known as luxor incarnate uh and he died before he completed uh his his mission to restore uh the entire land of kemet and so kashta's son pianke then picked up the mantle after the death of his father and um restored the two lands of upper and lower chemic and then he returned pianke returned to um to cush to rule from there uh and the foreigners came back so the foreigners traditionally come in from the east uh from the northeast specifically uh so after um chevaka died then um no excuse me after bianca died chewbacca then ascends to the throne and he decides that he's going to lead another army into into kemet to reconquer the land and drive out the foreigners again but this time he was going to stay he then decided that he was going to live within the the um ancient capital of of uh kimit in um um minefra the city that the greeks renamed memphis and stayed there and then one of the most important things that he did was to send his priests senate scholars throughout the land to survey the condition of the temples throughout the land and one of the priests came back and said that he had found documents within the temple which were worm eaten which meant that since the country the nation had fallen on hard times there were not priests in the temple to make copies of these ancient papyrus groves and so they were left to go into ruin they were worm eaten and so chewbacca then said to take that this document and use resources that they had in cush additional uh resources that were associated with that document and make it better than it was before see that term make it better than it was before means that they had to have had the missing pieces of that document to express it in its totality and to ensure that this document would endure for for multiple lifetimes they carved it in stone that document is now referred to as the chebaka stone and it now hangs in the british museum in london it's been damaged over time but that document is significant because it is a copy of an older document that tells the story of creation that is older than the story of genesis that most of us are familiar with and so that just makes us aware of how much information there is out there to be gained how much information that that is out there to be revisited revised and updated so that it can help transform the consciousness of of serious truth seekers who are living right now and who will live in the future so this idea of sankofa sankofa is a term which comes from ghana in west africa among the akan people in ghana and it is a term that means that it is not forbidden to go back to reclaim the knowledge of your past one can benefit from the successes and the failures of your ancestors and traditionally the symbol associated with sankofa is a bird which um which um looks backwards so there are three different aspects of this bird the bird looks backwards and traditionally uh the bird holds in his mouth an egg so the egg represents the future undeveloped potential the head looking backwards the head of the bird looking backward looks back into the past but the feet of the sankofa bird are facing forward deeply rooted in the present moment so the idea the concept that is expressed here is that we must in the present moment go back and retrieve the knowledge of the past the good and the bad knowledge process it refine it and then we have an obligation to pass that knowledge on to those who have not been born right that's the process that's sankofa to go back and fetch it and to ensure that this knowledge is reserved for the benefit of future generations that's what dr clark meant when he said that this work is the priesthood and that the people who are involved in this work don't do it for the money they don't do it for the fame the glory of the ego they do it because it is it is a cosmic assignment that you come back you know come back knowing that there will be those who will uh deride you there will be those who don't understand what you're doing and they will call you everything except a child of god but you do the work because of the benefit it's going to have for future generations and and that is the significance of of of knowing history knowing the power of mythology knowing the responsibility that comes with teaching knowledge properly so that it can transform consciousness and in our specific case uh going to the nile valley going to kimit and allowing people to have a metamorphosis so that they then can come back home and then enlighten and transform uh the quality of life for every life that matters to them that's the process brother browder you guys just got a master class by the doctor himself brother browder dr tony browder thank you for joining us today uh it's been a pleasure it's been an honor uh it's been a privilege uh heavy is the crown april 22nd you guys support this film you will see brother browder in there we actually have him in front of the uh in the pyramids at merrill way in kush in nubia uh it's amazing uh dr browder your contribution to the film cannot uh cannot be stated enough thank you so much uh for your influence on me for your motivation for your uh for your teaching uh for your guidance and for your direction uh brother browder how can the people get a hold of you how can they find you well uh most people know to find me through our website the ikg website which is ikg info.com can ikg-info.com i'll put that in the chat we've got a number of things that will be happening this uh this spring we expect to have a major exhibition a new exhibition at the thurgood marshall center in june you'll be getting information about that and again my my my work is about bringing historical information uh to light to transform consciousness um that's what i've been doing for over 42 years and i appreciate people such as yourself chris who are also involved in this process and and the other thing too that i realize is important for me at this point in my life as an elder and i where i wear that tighter where i weld that crown uh happily um that we have a responsibility now to prepare the generations that are coming behind us so i'm working very closely with atlantis you know i've worked with you over the years man uh because uh you are someone worth working with and as you mature um you're gonna be transforming the lives of young people you're already transforming the lives of your children uh so the people who see uh your masterpiece heavy as the crown they will be transformed and so what i'm asking what i'm encouraging folks to do is to watch this film with your family and friends to to purchase the film and watch the film don't buy a bootleg copy because and i'll say this for you you just sit back and let me you know those of us who do this work uh do it at our own expense right oftentimes we do it at a great peril financial peril because of our commitment to the work so it's important if you appreciate the work that we're doing uh to support us uh by buying our books buying our products buying our films and if you see someone who is bootleg somebody's product you have an obligation and responsibility to tell that person that they're doing wrong that they're doing well and hold that person accountable and let them know that they have to do better we all wise together or we all fall together so we're in this for the long haul and we're in this to support one another and help each other come toward the light that is the responsibility so chris i want to thank you for for listening i want to thank you for internalizing information processing that information and then demonstrating what you have heard demonstrating what you've processed in the works that you create so i'm proud of you brother i want the world to know i'm proud of what you do and i look forward to more wonderfully phenomenal things coming from you in the decades to come thank you brother browder uh those words mean a lot those words mean a lot uh more than i could express uh we thank you brother brother we love you we appreciate you we're gonna give you your flowers while you're still here uh support brother browder i have his books in the description box if you want to support him once again you can also see him as in heavy is the crown uh april 22nd support this film uh and we're gonna leave you guys with the trailer to heavy as the crown april 22nd links are in the description box below like this share this out again if you're new to the channel hit that subscribe button and i will see you guys on the next episode thank you brother browder i'll see you guys next time thank you man everybody has a story of how things became what it is and all of the stories that we're experiencing up to date are all based on the original mythological story myths are ways of codifying profound truth and so in order to pass on the knowledge of these things our ancestors began to put them in the form of stories because myth becomes a way of speaking to that and it's all considered to be mythology because it is based on a belief and then we create rituals that reinforces the logic and the knowledge of the myth the story then goes into a ceremony that is constantly going to remind people that's where the rituals come in where we begin to practice this uh what they call a syrian drama this story this african story of an african trinity is over six thousand years old there's several different uh pieces of that story that are in direct correlation to the story of jesus scholars know this why do they allow people keep thinking it's a religion unless they have an untoward agenda and it's very clear that they've created a lot of confusion [Music]

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