he walked quietly talked quietly even hit homeruns quietly so quietly in fact that history never heard his footsteps because of Babe Ruth's power and stature we were blinded to Hank Aaron's accomplishments because of Aaron's nature the legacy of Ruth was overwhelming when Hanks pursuit of Ruth became a national fascination he found himself playing a very dangerous game from his days as our all-time homerun King to his recent acts of healing he has always brought people together we should follow his example and were honored to have him with us tonight stand out to Gary he's more at peace with himself he began to realize that he hasn't been totally shortchanged in his duel with Babe Ruth we look at Hank Aaron's career you can see a steady trail of white guilt they know that white guilt existed because on the 25th anniversary when he broke Babe Ruth's record for 714 all of a sudden they're doing all these things the numbers 44 715 and 755 have been a part of our sports vernacular for nearly a quarter of a century but the man who gave us those numbers has remained one of the more underappreciated superstars in any sport tonight that will change recognising Hank Aaron was something baseball needed and I think the way people have turned out in the parks around the country in his honor was their way of saying that maybe we didn't understand what you were going through we are ready tonight to announce the creation of the Hank Aaron award which will be on a par with the sayang award and the most valuable player why did baseball take so long to be jumping carry that'll think Hank was ready in the past to reach out to anyone he wouldn't have appreciated it he wouldn't have felt good about himself he wouldn't have felt good about the award that they're named after him and for him they wanted to be some nice and smiley and so lovable to people I couldn't do I think he expected more out of what he was doing and what he got but he would never tell you that and he would never express it when you talk to Aaron I think you understand the depth of how it really affected him in the bitterness and anger I've read where reporters have said that Henry is just bitter I don't know that Henry is bitter but watch he should be for nearly four decades Babe Ruth's home run record hung in the national consciousness like a sacred object it's one of those magic magic numbers you can walk into a bar into an office room and say 714 and people know what you're talking about see that was the one thing that you didn't do you just didn't beat Ruth he learned in America we've got a lot of hang-ups and a lot of mythology and here in tilt into one they'll hard-core baseball fan sorry resented seen Babe Ruth's named them down didn't like the fact it was a black player doing I'm his secretary and she said Oh doctor letters that pink is getting I don't you want to tell him about him hey that's three things you can't give a a black guy a little job things like this really makes me push that much harder you gonna die and your family's gonna die a picture of a gorilla on one side of the page and saying that you're not the man that Babe Ruth was you never will be you bastard a sad thing for America America was against an American doing something outstanding Challenge the great Bambino I'm not trying to think that I had some good time because there was no good times there at all I think people get the fact that he hit the home runs but they don't understand the sacrifice didn't understand the human sacrifice the toll that it took and what it took for him to not blow up Erin's bottled anger was about more than the racism he experienced chasing Babe Ruth had smoldered in the aftermath of his historic deed when much of the resentment refused to die I would say he was like the lost sheep of the great ones he never got that grade of attention well I think he contributed the same sort of thing denied you that there was a quiet excellence there there was no ostentation DiMaggio's aloofness abruptness curtainless rudeness that was seen as some kind of princely grace wherein a black man is seen as some kind of mean-spirited bitterness DiMaggio was made into a saint while Aaron was made into a devil Hank Aaron was subject to the interpretation of the white press like so many other black athletes calling them natural athletes they were adjectives attributed to him in major newspapers that you just wouldn't believe things like step-in Fetchit and Aaron as indolent lazy shuffles how come a boy who loves a hit as much as Hank take such a long time the and ring up I think that sort of a characterization I when he first came up it didn't result from examining him in any detail but just assuming that that's what he was like because he was a Negro from Alabama Aaron's lack of flair would cost him in comparison to his greatest contemporary Willie Mays he was such a low-key guy that you know me BAM from New York and maybe they always shadow him at that particular time there's Henry Aaron who looks like he doesn't give a crap about what goes on you know and just hit the ball all over the place running as fast as Mays playing the outfield just like Mays but his last two days at the land on a ball say hit and right centerfield they were both chasing and Aaron would be there waiting for it Willie might just time it you say wow I want to catch I just didn't feel like I needed to run after ball it was 20 rolls in the stands you know kicking up all that fuss I didn't do things with a flare by no stretch of the imagination you know what you saw me doing Monday is what you probably would come to Ballpark on Tuesday Wednesday and see me do he says well he couldn't do anything I couldn't do and I was a much better hitter that's a given he was 64 years old when he told me that and he putted a kind of a little twist on that's a given like no one could argue that but playing outside the media glare of New York Aaron spent the bulk of his 23-year career toiling in relative obscurity drove in more runs than Lou Gary scored more runs than Willie Mays and had over 12 more miles in total basis than the runner-up Stan Musial we wanted homerun hitters to look like Ruth and here's a guy who never hit 50 home runs what he did however was to maintain a level of excellence over a preposterously long period he burned with this hard gem-like flame that was constant and as a result you can't disparage his numbers by saying he played so long planed that long is itself an achievement that stands alone and deserving admiration but those who had problems with Aaron's unyielding pursuit either were unaware or didn't care what it took for him just to get into a major-league uniform a journey through the heart of racism in the Jim Crow South we have no electric lights ran or inside plumbing if you raised a hog you raised it for the whole neighborhood if you plant a garden and plant it for the whole neighborhood born in 1934 and raised on the outskirts of Mobile Alabama a young Henry Aaron learned early on the difference the color of his skin made segregation was the order of the day and with a tremendous amount of year to go downtown to a little bus station you see science and white waiting colored waiting the water fountain stay color white you didn't come in contact with white folks except those that was in authority rigid segregated pattern New England white movies you couldn't shop in in white stores the power and the strength was with the whites you know because they had the police force you would have a Ku Klux Klan to march down the street the rules were set not only for Tolman meal not only for Alabama but the rules was set even from Washington DC learning the game by playing with tin cans and broomsticks Aaron never dreamed of reaching the all-white major leagues until Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in 1947 Aaron was skipping school and hanging the pool halls and listening to the Dodger games to catch reports of Jackie Robinson when he was 14 years old he was playing with the much older days and it was throwing the ball like 95 miles per hour and he was hitting line drives in signed by the Negro American League's Indianapolis clowns in 1952 Erin would get his first taste of life on the road can you imagine the 18yo kid black kid leaving Mobile Alabama donor where you gone with two dollars in your pocket but he was a shy kid in addition to being you know the teenager kind of scared that you must have been to believe in a world the only world you ever known to go into a world where you might be the enemy there's all these veterans who are going out every night and drinking or womanizing and he's not even old enough to go along with him erin was sold to the Braves for $10,000 that season after ripping through Class C pitching in Eau Claire he was sent to Jacksonville in 1953 becoming one of the first players to integrate the South Atlantic League maybe they didn't realize that maybe they did sensitive but the whole future though send Democratic ideas a resting on their shoulders the stands were still segregated you know all the grandstands were full of white people and there was a rickety old bleachers out in left field swill of black people in the first integrated baseball game in Augusta Georgia Erin had a home run his first time at bat and then the Jacksonville team went out into the field and the game had to be stopped because the fans were throwing rocks at Horace Ghana they couldn't reach Aaron at second base they would say things like Andrews you look blacker every time you come to town you must be sleeping with our own sister the fans were just divided like the players look they just didn't care for you being around and rebooted the ball and it costs us a ball game we had a picture and he made a comment to the extent that you know you can't trust the when one pole comes to tug they're gonna go in the tank every time and I remember taking a little slug of bat night banging on the lockers and I said oh I'm just gonna say this once and only once if I ever hear that word used in here again this bats going well across somebody's skull we couldn't stay with the team couldn't eat with the team and what he did is he focused on the baseball he took his his aggressions out on the baseball Aaron won the MVP award topping the Class A League in RBIs runs and hitting as he opened eyes in every front office Hank would go by the bat rack grab many bat to make any difference to him the weight the length or whatever and he had 362 in the league just tore it out you went to Jacksonville he was playing second base and the first time he came up I think he hit right out of my glove you know lying driving the right-center field after playing winter ball in Puerto Rico Aaron was scheduled to spend 1954 in the minors but first he was called up to the Braves spring training camp for a look-see he was just a very quiet unassuming kid but the ball just jumped up he's bad I mean everybody noticed that Aaron had hit a ball so hard Ted Williams heard it in the clubhouse and he came running out that's it who hit that ball spring training the Dodgers and the Braves traveled together and Aaron was on second base and between pitches Robinson walked over and shoved some dirt into his shoes he was airing a young person and the great Jackie Robinson is show dirt music what are you doing so I have to do something to slow you down one of the riders for the Milwaukee paper asked me what I thought of Aaron I says well I tell you I says I I don't think much of him as a second baseman by the way he's swinging a bat they're gonna find a place to play when Bobby Thompson broke his ankle it was all Aaron needed with only one season of winter ball on the outfield he was suddenly the starting left fielder for the Milwaukee Braves I wish people who remember the Hank Aaron of the 50s I had never seen anything quite like that and I don't know that anybody had by his third season Aaron won his first batting title with a 328 average in 1956 the distinction gained him celebrity status in a community starving for major league baseball players of any color he had a line drive right over second baseman's end looked like he was going to catch it and it just kept on carried and went right on up out over the right-field fence you can get balls it looked like there like it start to shortstop and he'd hook them and they're going that hole between third and short every time you hit a ground ball in the hole never went to the shorts up a third baseman which one in between them the next year Aaron gave a glimpse of things to come he led the majors with 44 home runs one the Most Valuable Player Award and clinched the pennant with a homer off the Cardinals Billy muffin Milwaukee's first pennant no just two kids sitting in the upper deck that night Orval Faubus was carrying on in Little Rock Arkansas and New York Times in an editorial in next day said they carried a black man off the field Milwaukee while there were riots in Little Rock they would give you a car to drive all year you get all your gasoline free milk and eggs and cheese and butter and all that free to get their first World Championship since 1914 Aaron and the Braves would have to defeat the New York Yankees if you recall the 1957 series KC made one of his classic remarks about coming into this hick town and it had the big headline Hicksville USA they were pretty a free spirit both of them Yankees were they knew they had a good ballclub but we also knew we had a good ballclub but even with all the publicity of a world title Henry Aaron managed to hit 393 and three homers without raising much of a fuss I go stood there for 10 articles during the World Series every day for 10 days I had to go to other players to get comments to put in Hank Aaron's mob that's how little he said he was in a strange place and he wasn't comfortable you know as he said speaking the King's English because he spoke will be of English he wasn't a very good interviewer at the time he didn't give the press a lot to write about the week headlines and say anything Aaron again spoke with his bat in 58 taking the Braves to within a game of a second straight World Series title after closing out the decade by winning his second batting title with a 355 average Aaron entered the 60s with all the confidence of a major star I felt extremely proud of the fact that I knew all of the pitches like I knew the back of my hand and so I thought anytime that I wanted to when I walked up to the plate that I could probably hit the ball as hard as anybody I hit it out of the ballpark I don't think I ever threw him a fastball i watch pitchers try to throw fast balls in out up down and he hit him hard everywhere I threw the ball pretty hard and if I threw a ball inside to him I couldn't get it by him you just could not get it by him he was just that quick Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale called him bad Henry I heard them talk about looking for a weakness of his and he didn't have any for me he was the toughest out everybody else I had a plan Henry I just never never figured out what I was gonna do try still used to get him out all the time this one day he mumbled something along the lines I'm sick and tired of him they own them from that day forward he just destroyed Johnson I saw now guy Don Drysdale throw one right across the chin of Hank and I can't get out of the way and Don through another one and a little closer because Hank didn't get out of the way quick enough and I just turned his wrist over in this hip screaming line drive down the left-field line and and so so the thing was maybe you shouldn't throw it I just leave him alone when you're not throwing down you weren't doing yourself any good because he got tougher oh well hate was knocked down a lot I'm he had a lot of pictures that Shirley hated him with his reputation established as a hitter Aaron now set out to find his power taking on all comers in 1960 he became home run derbys hottest contestant I remember when I got my invitation and they didn't think I was well still at all kind of food be a lot of guys that belong homerun hitters you know the guys that will be hidden 4 to 5 and 15 home runs you know I took him to the cleaners and this is the fourth check for $2,000 that you have received making a total of $8,500 that you've won on home run derby and that makes you the all-time money winning champion although Aaron's numbers continue to grow the Braves never won another pennant in Milwaukee in a 1966 Aaron was marching to Atlanta leading the Braves into the southern heart of America's Civil Rights struggle the fact that it was the first professional major league franchise in any sport to be played in the southeast of the United States was a momentous event it was a hundred years after reconstruction ending to the civil war Atlanta had just legally integrated in 1964 we had just put forward through the Chamber of Commerce an ad campaign saying a city too busy to hate and it wasn't exactly true yet but that's what our advertisement slogan said Aaron represented and kind of crystallized a whole racial dynamic of blacks trying to present the humanity to the rest of the country the civil rights movement had already shocked the new South here comes the face that's on their team but still had that dignity don't mess with him don't talk down to him as the civil rights movement entered the late 60s Aaron began to extend his influence beyond the baseball field I don't think there's any question about the fact that then he began to see himself as someone who should adopt an agenda or become a part of one his whole character changed he wasn't that easygoing quiet kid that I knew in late 50s when he told me in 65 he wanted to become the first black manager this was a big story and I'm looking forward to one day that a black will be able to run a boat professional ball club and I'm hoping that that black will be me Hank was raising questions about black managers black coaches black ownership the Aaron was involved in the early sixties in trying to integrate the spring training facilities in Florida the idea is that he espoused later in his career we're not new he had really been saying those all along people hadn't been listening when I first came into the league but if I had said something about racial indifference then would it have made the paper newer it wouldn't have when I was in high school I wrote a paper for an English class on why no one would ever break Babe Ruth's career homerun record and I joined a long line of people who have said this record will never be broken when in truth it was about to be broken very quickly by the end of the 1969 season the 35 year old Aaron was still 160 home run shy of Ruth's total of 714 but Hank kept hammering away as though time were never a factor Hank Aaron grew on the public we did not think of him as a home run hitter until he'd been a major leaguer for 15 years his reputation changed too suddenly the home run hitter who's gonna break Ruth's record we got Astrodome we go right over the fence we go in Chicago go right in the basket and I remember one day Toby said dusty is not how far is how meaning he hit 47 home runs in 1971 and when he did that he said why don't he he's actually gonna do it that puts him over the hump all he's got to do now is just stay healthy and avoid major injury nobody believed and it wasn't until September of 73 that the country sort of said boo pretty much this guys better do it but the combination of Aaron's approach to history and the color of his skin proved too much for some of the public to handle that Rekha didn't need nothing to black folk that wasn't into sports it was when they added the racial thing to it then for the first time we knew it was important Martin Luther King's death in 1968 riots in 1969 it was the white backlash after the civil rights movement people awakened up all the races to all the people who thought the Navy black shouldn't be in this game in the first damn place suddenly had reason to jump up on their high heels he received more mail than anyone in the country any celebrity any movie star TV personality he showed me some of the letters that were written to him they were awful they were just awful I made you cry for the country the FBI informed him after a certain point they preferred that he not opened his own mail we didn't even know he was getting all the liver he didn't never just want all the publicity on him I never even heard him discuss death threats I knew about it from his children and that they were under pressure and what Henry had to go through with the threats and knowing most of them he kept inside until it was over with because otherwise it would look like he was cry-baby during that whole thing that should have been a happy time in his life and he was being tortured I never thought that playing baseball would bring out so many negative and bigoted thoughts in people mind y'all I thought maybe they would be behind me 100% but that was not the case a couple of times we've gone to dinner in West Palm Beach but I always tell him don't sit with your back to the door always had a binocular case on my shoulder but it wasn't binoculars and then you might have a 38 you never sign anywhere and if you did he was with his bodyguard and probably some other people around there he would just backup for him he would have to retire to his hotel room at nights on the road and count how many times the neon light flashed across the street at his hotel window I rheostat was contacted in the winter of 73 when I went over to the hotel and was met by two FBI agents that put me against the wall not to gently either and I said what's all this and he said Joe it's kill the you know they don't want me to do it they don't want me to do it miron was a moment in time we're gonna see something here that has been going on for how many years with Babe Ruth now we're going to see a moment in time that change would have to wait through the winter of 1973 as Aaron hovered just one homer away from tying Ruth's record in the offseason lo he made Billy Williams his second wife then steeled himself for the crush of media in the spring of 74 the editors would put pressure on you somebody saw Hank brushing his teeth with his left hand does that mean that he has a sore right wrist and your editor would call you and say what's the matter with Hanks wrist in the days leading up to the Braves 1974 opener against the Reds the question of where Aaron would hit his historic homerun fueled controversy the atlanta club announced that that henry wouldn't play in the series in Cincinnati and I said oh no you know you're going to Cincinnati to win ballgames how can you have a legitimate game if you're not going to play the best player in baseball the Commissioner ruled Aaron must play two of the three games in Cincinnati including the April 4th opener which also happened to be the 6th anniversary of the death of an American Hero Bowie Ken asked if there's anything that baseball can do for him that day he says yes moment of silence for Martin Luther King jr. I requested that we have a moment of silence and for some reason they found that the schedule didn't permit them to today and that was just a little disappointed him they asked him what he wants he tells them they say no and then orders him to play in a game that he doesn't want to play so baseball is kind of saying yeah you're important but you're not that important the excitement is here a Terran can put on the finishing touch there was the breaking ball and it was just that simple but when Aaron didn't need another Homer in Cincinnati history would have to wait at least until the home opener in Atlanta when the Commissioner was conspicuous by his absence I was scheduled to be in Cleveland for a meeting of the wahoo Club which was a Cleveland fan club so I asked Monte Irvin my assistant to go down and be there and represent me but always thought that was frivolous criticism you as if you're gonna expect the Commissioner to follow the player around I just thought maybe if I might be in there would be okay but apparently a pact that never forgave him for not being there we all thought that he stayed out of town for the simple reason you know to come here and be boot which he would have been even without the Commissioner a sellout crowd packed with celebrities came to see the record fall let me just tell you about my old little starts about Sammy Davis jr. we had a dinner form that made it our home to seven if he hits it and if you're not there will you ever forgive yourself and all of a sudden you go to Fulton County Stadium and the place is packed - more electricity than ever ever seen in the ballpark cameras from everywhere it was just like a madhouse you know everybody wanted to be there the press box is overflowing the stands were overflowing it seemed like almost a foregone conclusion that when he came to bed he was gonna hit the ball out of the ballpark we had told all the ushers at the stadium when he comes to bed don't face to feel play face sustainers as soon as Henry got into the batter's box everybody kind of held their breath and it was complete silence I remember I was on deck circle and Hank said man I'm gonna get this over with right away sometimes he's a disguise meant in his slider way up and he comes back in I'm came over left over wall my great fear know was when I saw the two young men run out on the field not that that was scary Billy reached down grabbed me around and met and she's so overjoyed I can't see anything and when she turns me Wilson I look around here's these guys on the field and my first thought again was no not now I just closed my eyes and I thought oh my god do they have something are they gonna do something to it in one sense it looked dangerous and another way look beautiful it was a testimony to the way the city of Atlanta appreciated the impact on that Hank Aaron have had on this city for baseball marvelous moment for the getting a standing Oh the only thing that really startled him about hitting the home run was his mother I was waiting for my home plate for the hood unlike in a hooker I've ever had before she had me by the neck and that was it I think this time I was making about $20,000 and they said the ball was going to be worth fifty thousand so everybody was trying to get the baseball Tom house caught the ball on the fly and broke him if I would have stood perfectly still and that little 10 yard real estate area would hit me right in the forehead oh and then the next thing I remember was giving it to him at home plate and I feel this tug during all the commotion I feel this little tug on my coat and his Sammy Davis jr. and he's I gotta have the bar I gotta have a ball and said 20,000 fans oh I remember tough I can't sell it's not my ball soon he came over to the stand where I was and we just embraced then he just said I'm so glad it's over I'm so glad it's over there was a party of this house you went down the room all by himself got down on his name cried and I don't know that that would be considered to be tears of joy his pent-up energy that he just had to release nap he booked the record who was a different type of smile in yo face we did it and nothing happened to it once during a difficult time pink if he'd been playing in New York or playing anywhere else during his whole career he would have gotten a lot of endorsements the feeling among the players and among us was that he never really got his just do as far as commercial school when Hank Aaron got his first endorsement contract with Magnavox it was a real breakthrough for this country but it also even though he was happy he got it had to put that exclamation point out there why in god's name did it take me all these years breaking all these records to get an endorsement contract I remember the day they filmed the commercial with all the TV sets we're all over the outfield was a disaster for matchbox I don't think they sold all those TV sets that they had the option he just is not marketable when we return Henry Aaron faces life after 715 after breaking Ruth's all-time homerun record Henry Aaron struggled to find meaning in the remainder of the 1974 season 715 was a really really anticlimactic date and everybody left I am gonna wager that by the ninth inning of that game there weren't 10,000 people left to see and near the end of that season he wanted out of Atlanta he didn't think he was appreciated down here and he wanted to trade he asked for the trade and he got the trade to Milwaukee you know when you saw Hank Aaron near the end in Milwaukee its what a sad sight here was this overweight icon and this glorified softball uniform for the Milwaukee Brewers you didn't know whether to cringe Oh to cry who sort of did both it's in his second year there when he was unable to perform at level he was accustomed to he understood that now it's time Aaron retired after the 1976 season was 755 home runs now he struggled to find gratification without a bat in his hands here's a guy that broke a lot of barriers not only as far as homeruns are concerned but in terms of being a strong black man there was this one incident when Hank Aaron kind of threw his name out that yeah I would like to be a commissioner one day of Major League Baseball and it was sort of like it was a joke they didn't take him seriously he had no place in baseball he would not consider him to be commissioner a front office person the exception of Ted Turner's sensitively reaching out Hank Aaron would be out of baseball and that's that would be a sin after taking a position as the Atlanta Braves vice president of player development in 1976 Aaron began to release some of the emotion he kept inside during his pursuit of the babe and what he had to go through I don't think he still gotten over in fact I know he hasn't some of the letters he received during that time death threats and things said still bother him today he keeps the letters because he doesn't want to forget he shouldn't forget we shouldn't forget they show a part of America that is ugly that exists at one point I say the Hank has that obscured for you the fact that millions and millions of Americans not just black Americans admired and respected you his face softened and he said I know I know that's true but it still doesn't change what I had to go through I think when you have experienced racism in the way that Hank Aaron experienced that we may never have rest again this may be something that is in your mind when you're asleep in your mind when you're awake he is still very much an inward type personality he is still very much alone he's wary of people to some extent for all that he's been through he still cards his drinks you know when he's eating in public when I was with the Cleveland Browns I was in training camp one summer afternoon and I looked over and I thought I saw Hank Aaron with the Cleveland Browns cap I'm standing behind the ropes and I walked over to him and I said are you Hank Aaron and he said yeah and I don't think you really want you know with anybody to recognize there are certain people and maybe Hank is one of those among them who have just spent too much time dwelling on the perception of how people respond to them when and the perception doesn't match reality from his throne as the new homerun King and is a member of the Braves front office he spoke with conviction on matters of race in baseball I just feel like as a black person who played this game and had played it for 23 years it was my responsibility as a black person to tell the truth about things till the truth about issues he's a guy who continues to make known his disappointment that baseball has not reached out to people of color and so as a result he's rarely taken in in an intimate sense by anybody who knows the game does that lessen his appeal perhaps doesn't lessen his impact no I don't think so vocal in controversies surrounding al campanis and Marge Schott Aaron was also a voice of reason in the media Freitas created John Rocker in 1999 Hank Aaron was one of the most outspoken critics against John Rocker when he made these statements of Sports Illustrated then somewhere down the road we understand we see Hank Aaron meeting with John Rocker for an hour then saying that everything was dandy I find that very curious on the one hand on the other hand you have to understand Hank Aaron Hank Aaron is a very nice man Hank Aaron there's a guy that really deep down inside believes that people should get along when Hank Aaron and Andrew young together went to rock and said all right we'd like to hear your side of this I think it toned a lot of the problem down in Atlanta and I think it also raised Henry Aaron to a greater statute in baseball Aaron's contributions to the game exceed his numbers even to the player who passed his home run total in 2007 I admire Hank Aaron we know the situation we can feel his pain we can understand what he's gone through did we go through it know do we know what it's like you know do we appreciate what he stood for and and what He has given us oh yes the black athlete had become institutionalized in the big leagues but none of them had taken away something sacred from the white historical record until guy from mobile comes along and erases the most sacred of all records if anything that would be his legacy is to put the black player over that hump Hank Aaron ultimately proved that he was a better power hitter than Willie Mays but because perception and location count for greatness Aaron comes up short in the popular view he never reached the magical threshold of 50 homers in his season and never played in New York too bad Hank doesn't get any points for sustained excellence especially late in the game he hit 245 home runs after the age of 35 for ESPN classic sports century and Chris Fowler
