HE WILL. WE TALKED TO TREY GOWDY ABOUT THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DID SPEAK TO TREY GOWDY ABOUT FLYNN AND MICHAEL CULLEN. WATCH. >> SECURITY ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT, IT HAS NOW BEEN REVEALED BY HIM THAT WHEN HE WAS INTERVIEWED BY THE FBI, WHO WANTED TO KNOW WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE COLLUSION DURING THE CAMPAIGN OR THE TRANSITION WITH RUSSIAN OFFICIALS, INFLUENCE IN THE U.S. ELECTIONS. HE SAYS THAT ANDREW McCABE ADVISED HIM THAT HE DID NOT NEED AN ATTORNEY PRESENT DURING THAT INTERVIEW. AS WE KNOW, WHAT HE WILL BE SENTENCED FOR HIS LYING TO THE FBI IN THAT MEETING. WHAT YOU MAKE OF THAT? >> A STUNNING DEPARTURE FROM THE WAY THEY HANDLED ANOTHER INVESTIGATION, AN EXAMINATION. THAT WAS WITH SECRETARY CLINTON, THEY HAD MULTIPLE LAWYERS WHO WERE ALSO FACT WITNESSES IN THE ROOM. THERE WERE ALLEGATIONS THAT THEY SUPPLY THE QUESTIONS TO WITNESSES AHEAD OF TIME. THERE WAS A CLEAR INSINUATION THAT CERTAIN WITNESSES DID MISREPRESENTED MATERIAL FACTS TO THE INVESTIGATORS, NO ONE WAS CHARGED WITH MAKING A FALSE STATEMENTS. LOOK AT THE RUSSIAN INVESTIGATION, FLYNN, MICHAEL COHEN, I'M NOT MINIMIZING THAT. I PROSECUTE PEOPLE FOR IT TO. IF THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE, TO SERIOUS. IT SUGGEST THAT THERE IS NO OTHER LARGER CRIME. NO ONE IN THE CLICKED INVESTIGATION WAS PROSECUTED FOR MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS. I JUST NAMED THREE. FOR HIM TO BE TOLD YOU DON'T HAVE A LAWYER PRESENT AND FOR THEM TO ALLOW HER TO HAVE FACT WITNESSES WHO WERE LAWYERS, IT IS A STUNNING DICHOTOMY THAT DOES NOT REFLECT WELL ON THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. >> Martha: MICHAEL: SENTENCED TO THREE YEARS, WHAT YOU MAKE OF THAT? >> IT IS ABOUT RIGHT. HE PROVIDED INFORMATION, THE OTHER DISTRICT DID NOT VIEW THEM AS A COOPERATOR. IT IS THE SAME PATTERN, MICHAEL: SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO THOUGHT HE WAS A LIAR THE DAY BEFORE HE PLED GUILTY AND THEN THEY THINK HE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WITNESS IN THE WORLD THE DAY AFTER HE PLEADS GUILTY COME A JURY IS NOT GOING TO BELIEVE SOMEONE LIKE COHEN. IF YOUR CASE HINGES UPON THE CREDIBILITY OF COHEN, GOOD LUCK. >> Martha: IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THESE MEMOS, AND THE NEW INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE TODAY WITH REGARDS TO MICHAEL FLYNN. MICHAEL COHEN. WHAT IS YOUR OVERALL IMPRESSION OF >> I GO BACK TO WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO, WHICH IS FIND OUT WHAT RUSSIA DID. UNTIL HE WRITES THAT DEFINITIVE REPORT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR HIM, NOBODY IS INTERESTED IN THAT PART OF HIS REPORT EXCEPT FOR MAYBE A HANDFUL OF US. IT IS STUNNING THAT PEOPLE ARE READING UNDER BLACK REDACTED LINES THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IMPLICATES THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THEY LOST INTEREST IN WHAT RUSSIA DID. THE THROWAWAY WAS, BY THE WAY, IF THERE IS CRIMINALITY, WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT, TOO. I AM REALLY INTERESTED IN WHAT RUSSIA DID IN 2016. I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN THE CRIMINALITY, BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR ARE FALSE STATEMENTS, BANK FRAUD, AND COMEY ADMITTED LAST FRIDAY, COLLUSION IS NOT A CRIME NO MATTER HOW BADLY CNN AND THE DEMOCRATS WANTED TO BE. COLLUSION IS NOT A CRIME. >> Martha: YOU HEARD FROM JAMES COMEY LAST WEEK, AND HE WILL BE BACK ON DECEMBER 17TH. HE WAS VERY UPSET THAT THAT WAS NOT AN OPEN FORUM, AND WHEN HE CAME OUT AND TALK TO REPORTERS, HE SAID THAT. THERE IS NO REASON WHY THEY SHOULDN'T BE AN OPEN FORUM. HE ALSO SAID, THE SUGGESTION THAT THERE WAS A FISA ABUSE IN THE INITIAL STAGES OF THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND ANY CONNECTION TO RUSSIA WAS RIDICULOUS. ABSURD, IS I THINK THE WORD THAT HE USED. >> MARTHA, I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN WHAT HE DIDN'T REMEMBER BUT I WAS MUCH MORE DISAPPOINTED IN WHICH HE HE NEVER KNEW. THE HEAD OF THE FBI HAS THE CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT UNDER INVESTIGATION, HE NEVER READ THE INITIATION DOCUMENT, DIDN'T KNOW THAT PETER STRZOK HAD SIGNED IT. HE STILL DOESN'T KNOW TO THIS DAY THAT IT MADE REFERENCE TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. HE STILL THINKS IT IS FOUR INDIVIDUALS. DOESN'T KNOW WHO PETER STILL IS, KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT EFFORTS TO EITHER COOPERATE OR CONTRADICT THE DOSSIER. DOESN'T AGREE THAT THERE IS A DUTY TO PRODUCE EXCULPATORY INFORMATION. I ASKED HIM, WHEN DID YOU LEARN THAT THE DNC WAS FUNDING THE RESEARCH INTO TRUMP, HE SAID, OH, I DON'T KNOW. AS IF IT DOESN'T MATTER. IF YOU'RE NOT TELLING A JUDGE, DON'T YOU THINK IT IS RELEVANT, HEY, MY POLITICAL ENEMIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE THIRD OF WHAT I AM GIVING YOU. A JUDGE WANTS TO KNOW THAT. COMEY IS ONE OF THE BEST I HAVE EVER SEEN AT ALWAYS BEING RIGHT IN HIS MIND, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE IS A UNIVERSE OF ONE. IF YOU WRITE A BOOK ABOUT ETHICS AND MORALITY, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS A FAIRLY HIGH OPINION OF YOURSELVES THING TO DO. COMEY JUST THINKS HE'S ALWAYS RIGHT, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF EVERYONE ELSE CONCLUDE HE DID WRONG. HE KNOWS BETTER. THAT'S WHAT IT'S LIKE TO INTERVIEW AN AMNESIAC WITH INCREDIBLE HUBRIS. >> Martha: DO YOU BELIEVE THAT HE FUNCTIONED AS A POLITICAL FBI DIRECTOR? >> I THINK JIM COMEY WAS PRIMARILY MOTIVATED BY A DESIRE TO PROTECT THE BRAND OF JIM COMEY. I DEFENDED HIM IN 2016, EVEN WHEN IT WAS LONELY TO DO SO. I WOULD STILL DEFEND HIM TODAY IF I THOUGHT HE WAS MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION, BUT HE HAS BEEN SO OVERTLY PARTISAN SINCE HE LEFT, NOT JUST AS PRESIDENT, BUT HE WANTS PEOPLE TO VOTE DEMOCRAT, HE WANTS A DEMOCRAT HOUSE. HE IS VERY FLUNKY. HE SAID IN THIS ROOM WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T GIVE A HOOT ABOUT POLITICS. AND McCABE, THAT IS WHO WAS RUNNING THESE TWO MAJOR INVESTIGATIONS. AND HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT POLITICS. GO READ THE TEXT FOR YOURSELF. GO READ COMEY'S TWITTER FEED AND SEE IF HE CARES ABOUT POLITICS. >> Martha: WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP? YOU MET HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS WEEK. >> YES, MA'AM, . NUMBER ONE, APPRECIATE HIM LETTING ME COME. I WANTED TO ADVOCATE FOR JOHN RADCLIFFE FOR AG, AND HE HAD ALREADY MADE THE PAY, BUT HE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO LET ME COME ANYWAY. A WIDE-RANGING CONVERSATION FROM LIFE AND KAVANAUGH, TO AN OPINION THAT CAME OUT YESTERDAY -- NOT AN OPINION, BUT THE DENIAL OF SERVICE. GOLF. >> Martha: WHAT DID HE SAY ABOUT THAT? >> MY OPINION, WHICH I SAID A LOT, HE SAID WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT? MY SENSE IS THAT KAVANAUGH DID NOT THINK THAT WAS THE RIGHT FACTS TO HAVE ANOTHER HEARING ON AN ABORTION RELATED CASE. IN THE VICTIM ACTUALLY BECAME PREGNANT AS A RESULT OF A RATE, SO WE TALKED ABOUT EXCEPTIONS AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INT AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INE AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE IN, AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INW AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INE AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INT AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INL AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INE AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE IND AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INA AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INO AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INT AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INC AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INI AND WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE INF OF STAFF, WE TALKED ABOUT AG, HE GOT LINDSAY ON THE PHONE AT ONE ONE POINT. IT WAS A FASCINATING -- >> Martha: THAT HE HAVE A CHIEF OF STAFF IN MINDED THAT HE SEEMED TO BE LEANING TOWARDS? >> IF HE DID, HE DIDN'T SHARE WITH ME. >> Martha: AS YOU LEAVE AND WE SEE THE NEW CONGRESS COMING IN, MAJORITY DEMOCRATS ON THE HOUSE SIDE, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THEY WILL PURSUE IN TERMS OF OVERSIGHT, GIVEN THE LANDSCAPE RIGHT NOW? >> EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING THAT THEIR BASE WANTS THEM TO PURSUE. EVERYTHING THAT IS CALCULATED TO DISRUPT THE LAST TWO YEARS OF TRUMP'S TENURE IN OFFICE, AND IT'S -- THEY MAY BE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO PURSUE IMPEACHMENT, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THEM OR NOT. 60 OF THEM HAVE ALREADY SAID HE SHOULD BE IMPEACHED AND HAVEN'T ISSUED A SINGLE FINDING YET, SO IT WILL BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION, AND THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE HOW THEY WILL HANDLE SUBPOENAS AND REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION. IT WILL BE BITTERLY IRONIC FOR ME TO LISTEN TO DEMOCRATS CLAMOR FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO BE RESPONSIVE WHEN THEY DIDN'T SAY A WORD TO SEE IF WE WERE TRYING TO GET INFORMATION FROM THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. >> Martha: WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE SCENE IN THE OVAL OFFICE YESTERDAY WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW HE WANTS TO BUILD A WALL? HE SAID, I WOULD BE PROUD TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT OVER THE ISSUE OF BORDER SECURITY. IT MEANS THAT MUCH TO ME. AND NANCY PELOSI AND CHUCK SCHUMER VERY MUCH WANTED TO TAKE THE CONVERSATION PRIVATE, DIDN'T WANT IT TO TO PRIVATE, DIDN'T WANT IT TO TA DEBATE IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC. >> FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE TRANSPARENCY, WELL, THERE IT IS. I'M WASN'T SURE IF I WAS WATCHING FOX OR PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING. I'VE SEEN THOSE CONVERSATIONS BACK IN JUDGE BROWSER-BASED CHAMBERS, I'VE SEEN THEM WHERE THERE ARE NO CAMERAS. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT LIKE THAT. IT WAS CLEAR TO ME THAT NANCY PELOSI DID NOT WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IN PUBLIC, BUT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN A FRAMING THE ISSUES, THE PRESIDENT BELIEVES THAT THE WALL IS INEXTRICABLY INTERTWINED WITH BORDER SECURITY, AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU THAT THEY BELIEVE IN BORDER SECURITY, BUT NOT A WALL. WHAT I WOULD LOVE FOR THE PRESIDENT TO ASK YESTERDAY, AT ONE POINT, YOU VOTED FOR THE WALL. WHAT CHANGED? WHY WAS IT A GOOD IDEA FIVE YEARS AGO, BUT NOW IT IS XENOPHOBIC AND RACIST AND NOT REFLECTIVE OF OUR VALUES? WHAT, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT I CHAMPIONED THE IDEA, WHAT HAS CHANGED? >> Martha: DID YOU THINK IT WAS A POLITICAL MISTAKE FOR HIM TO SAY "I WILL OWN THAT SHUT DOWN. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, I AM HAPPY TO OWN IT." >> I THINK THERE WAS A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE THEY WOULD CALL IT SHUTDOWN NO MATTER WHAT HE SAID. THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD COUNTER TALKING POINT. WE GAVE YOU 1.6, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THAT.
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