Godzilla Minus One Deep Dive + Top Godzilla

[Music] spoiler alert welcome back to a very disappointing episode of tying that guy because we do not have that guy instead we have this guy rocking the uh the most amazing stash that the the show has ever had like making Wes feel bad about about his pathetic stash whenever he wears one is I don't know I mean he has pretty impressive facial hair when he has it you know like well reintroduce yourself to the the audience so they know why they should care what you think about things hey everybody my name is Brett Simmons and I'm uh I'm glad to be here what do what do you do Brett yeah I just watch movies and talk about them I do you know I mean I think I fancy myself a writ or director and try and make movies once in a while and watch movies the rest of the time you know as someone who has seen some of his movies I can uh I can validate that that is actually true you have made movies and especially because today we're going to be talking about Godzilla minus one the fact that you have worked in the horror genre I think fits into this because uh to start out uh we've both seen Godzilla minus one uh I assume we both enjoyed it yes I loved it yeah I I also loved it and one of the things I liked about it is that it edged back toward horror yes 100% yes yeah instead of instead of the Kaiju basically being superheroes which is what some of the later Godzilla sort of turned into no they're just monsters they're just big monsters and they're very scary and being a humanized person you know just a humanized thing in the same world with something the size of a Kaiju is inherently terrifying and and life-threatening yes exactly and and that hasn't been done in a long time like I feel like Godzilla 2014 the one that Gareth Edwards did which I thought was great like that one really overwhelmed me with just being so ground level and giving so much perspective to how big Godzilla could be and what that would feel like you know and that itself felt scary but Godzilla himself didn't feel threatening and that's one of the things about Godzilla minus one that really I just fell in love with it right away was that Godzilla was just straight up a scary monster and he was huge like it had all that from 2014 as far as the scope and the size and being on the ground but also he looked scary he did terrifying things there were scary sequences I was like this is a Godzilla I haven't seen in a very long time and I love this well and and uh we'll go through the we'll sort of go through the movie too but one of the things I think that they did is by calling it minus one yeah they're connecting it to the original Japanese Godzilla yeah and the original Japanese Godzilla is a horror movie right it is it's it's Godzilla is this horrible monster it is it is connected to the use of nuclear weapons Japan in at that point that was in the ' 50s Japan is still sort of coming back from this uh crushing defeat in World War II the fact that they are the only country on Earth that has actually had nuclear weapons used on them in war um all of that sort of psychology goes into what the original Godzilla was and and this idea of this terrifying Unstoppable monster yes uh with the radioactive breath and all that stuff uh the way it plays for the Japanese in the 50s is very different from what eventually Godzilla turned into you know the Toho era Godzilla where he's basically a superhero he's fighting for the humans you know and you know aliens come down and attack the Earth and Godzilla shows up and wrecks their flying saucers exactly and and that's what's that's what I loved was how the the original Godzilla has kind of been lost over time because of that cuz it's obviously like I was looking it up getting ready for today and like I didn't realize that Godzilla is literally the longest running franchise in history and I was yeah it's it's the I think number two is James Bond but wow you know they've been making Godzilla movie since the original 1954 you know and so I feel like just over time and all the versions and all the iterations Godzilla's turned into something that the public kind of views that's very different than the original like the original is we just think a monster walking through a city and a guy in a rubber suit right but the themes of the original movie are incredibly rich and deep and it's it's so much more than what we think Godzilla is you know but who goes back and watches the origin and that's what I loved about minus one was it was kind of like hey for those of you that don't go back and watch the original this is Godzilla right and what was rad too was just with modern technology available and the VFX which obviously were amazing and just the ability to have the hindsight and all this history to look back on to actually set it in 1945 and go like hey this originated as a response to a really horrible time period for us and we're actually going to take all of those reactions that the original was made out of and actually contextualize them even closer to the event that we contextualized it from right so the fact that it was in 1945 the fact that it was so immediately related to all of just the bombing and all the nuclear war like attacks and threatening and testing you know I was like this is we're seeing a people that are devastated and in so much Despair and now there's a monster like a physical manifestation of the threat right and it just put Godzilla back into the place he should be yeah yeah the the metaphor of a a country on its back heel suffering from the most devastating thing that could happen to that country uh and then we're just going to turn that into a giant mustard that wrecks your [ __ ] yes exactly and that's a really good segue to start talking about the movie because you do mention that it's set in 1945 and one of the interesting things they do is they make it so immediately after World War II yes immediately the our main character I believe his name is kichi kichi he is he's a fighter pilot he's a Japanese fighter pilot who blew a zero in uh World War II and was one of the ones selected as a kamakazi yeah which we know the comicazi really showed up at the tail end of the war when when Japan was on its hind foot when they were running out of material and weapons and all that stuff they started the kamakazi program as a way to sort of delay the US Navy and so you've got this character who is a a kamakazi pilot and when we meet him he's landing at a really remote Airfield he's claiming something on his plane wasn't working he's claiming oh my plane broke and that's why I wasn't able to fulfill my comicazi emission but immediately the guys that he's talking to the mechanics on the island are like we don't see anything wrong with your plane dude and so we understand he chickened out yes he didn't want to do it he didn't want to fly his plane into a into a ship and blow up yeah and you know what's crazy about that is I mean I feel like as a rider you have to appreciate cuz I was I was actually almost mad cuz I was so jealous cuz I was like this movie's taken all of what are we at at this point like 3 minutes in four minutes in yeah and they've introduced the lead character that I'm so fascinated by instantly by the fact that he's landed I'm a kamakazi pilot I just need my engine checked and then the mechanics immediately like hey so we're not really seeing any issues with your plane you realize oh y this dude's a coward and really that it's this movie is an incredible example of the fact of an example of a movie you can tell a story you can tell where the character isn't necessarily heroic or likable he's actually kind of pathetic and you know he I mean I understandably so but the the our lead character in the movie is instantly a coward and then obviously after he lands there you see that first attack of like was that like younger Godzilla or like I as I understand it and it it I'm sure someone in the comments will correct me if I'm wrong yeah um as I understand it what it was supposed to be is Godzilla as he actually is before before the nuclear testing at the bikini at told and so the Godzilla that shows up later is the mutated version got of that thing we first see you know radiation has made him huge it has also changed him in some fundamental ways like the fact that it adds you know nuclear fire breath to him right right right the original one didn't have that [ __ ] right the the thing that I like about that is as we watch the movie we grow to realize so there's a moment in that scene so we we let's let's do the scene so he lands he says there's something wrong with my plane the mechanics come out they're like we don't think there's anything wrong with your plane so we get this sense of they don't trust him he's failed in his mission there's all that going on and then this [ __ ] dinosaur shows up it's about the size of a T-Rex and it just starts wrecking everything right I mean obviously you know even a T-Rex is a pretty scary monster it's not the size of Godzilla but still pretty scary and they're fighting it they're shooting it and the bullets seem to be doing something but not much so one of the mechanics is like hey the 20 mm cannon in your airplane would probably be enough to kill it right go get in your airplane well get this thing in front of the plane and then you can fire your 20 mm Cannon so they they they have that moment he has a moment where he is lined up and he can take the shot and he's too scared to pull the turn yeah he chickens out again he chickens out again and what's great about it is that Godzilla in that moment we believe is one that could have been killed by his act we believe that one could have been killed by him firing the 20 mm Cannon which makes everything that happens afterwards his fault and he knows it's his fault right like his survivors guilt is yeah only worsened a lot which which is I'm glad you brought that up because I think this is a movie about survivors guil yeah yeah this is a movie set in a country that was supposed to honorably die rather than surrender that is the culture of the time that is the the orders you were getting from the senior command was it is better to die on her feet than live on our knees every you know they had they had little old ladies training with Spears back home to fight off Marines when the Marines landed in Japan I mean that was the sort of the the culture of the time was we're all going to die rather than surrender to these guys yep and so you have an entire cut so when the emperor himself signs the the surrender agreement on an American ship that is such a blow to the culture of the time that the that the Emperor who treated as a Godlike figure at that time is the one who signs the surrender when everybody else has been told you're you're supposed to die defending the emperor right right and the way that the movie makes survivors guilt the thing that drives the entire movie yeah so connects it to that moment in history yes which is powerful I mean even the fact that he he doesn't kill first Godzilla 1.0 yeah but then as soon as he goes home and that's when I was like the the writing in this is so much more than I expected so fast the fact that he goes home and and everyone he encounters is happy to see him in one moment and then immediately realizes wait a second we're not supposed to be seeing you because they all knew what he was leaving to do right and so you realize oh man this guy home isn't even home anymore for this guy because everybody knows what he was supposed to do and what he didn't do but then he finds out that his parents died in the the bombings and now his parents AR even alive and has to deal with the guilt of oh my God like not even my family is alive anymore yeah and and they and they really connected they really drive that point home with the the woman who is sort of the older woman in his neighborhood who says my entire family died so that you could go fight and then when you had the chance to fight you didn't they you made them die for nothing yes you made your parents die for nothing it's just I mean it's brutal it's so brutal and we're still in the just the first 15 minutes of this movie yeah and that's when I knew just right like right away I was like first Godzilla showed up and just made a real big mess of things very quickly but then just all of this is happening and I was like this movie is instantly so much more than I expected this right to be and and and we'll talk about it when we get there but the the character development too because no character stays what they are at the beginning right even that angry older lady the angry middle-aged lady who lost her kids and lost her her family and all that and she's just pissed off at him she doesn't stay that right like you she's recognizably the same character through the whole movie but she goes through an evolution too she becomes a different person over the course of the movie guu becomes a different person over the course of the movie although he's still the guy who chickened out he's still the guy who twice yeah failed to accomplish Mission and that leads to a lot of horror um but the I the thing that really becomes the mechanism by which the movie changes all of those characters is the arrival of the little kid and and the lady and I forget her name um oh I wrote it down so I can remember it noro yeah when she shows up with the small child and kichi winds up grudgingly letting them stay in his house yeah so goes from somebody who has nothing to somebody who has sort of this pre-made family he instantly has responsibilities he instantly has responsibilities and the way that the the lady who lost her family gets sucked into that yes by being the person who helps out taking care of the kid and this sort of uh the war torn version of Japan where everything sort of wreckage and and the houses are all like Shacks on the beach because everything else burned down cuz a lot of people don't know that that the firebombing of Japan did way more damage than the nuclear bomb right right right yeah the the firebombing of Tokyo killed 100,000 people yeah it was everything burned down the every Everything burned down and so you you see people they're they're building huts out of like pieces of metal that they found on the beach it's very it's very ramshackle and what one of the things the movie shows which I appreciated which a lot of movies don't show is the way people pull together after something like that yes yes yes that woman is pissed at him but she's not going to let the baby die right right it's like everyone it's like everyone lost their families but then what you have is you have survivors coming together and forming a bit of a new family together right and it's almost like you see everybody over the course of the movie shifting from We're victims of this desperate thing to know we're survivors who can keep going right together you know it a way to keep going yeah so when we catch our characters in this movie when we when we we find our our uh our failed kamakazi pilot and this woman that he gets taken in who's lost her family and this small child that they've just decided to take care of because who is right it's not like there's an orphanage and then the the old lady who kind of becomes the ant I don't want to call her an old lady she's not really old but she's like you know older than yeah um becomes becomes sort of the the grudging ant of the family babysitting kid when the others aren't around and we we find them in the postwar period but it's not like postwar rebuilding Japan it's like postwar cleaning up the [ __ ] right like immediately postwar like you said immediately postwar like people are cleaning [ __ ] off the beach and so he you know he needs a job and he winds up becoming one of the guys who goes out and the you know the the area around the harbers is filled with mines yeah and they're still there and they're still deadly and we don't need them now right right right so so they're they're sending these guys out in these little ramshackle basically fishing boats to look for these these mines and and disarm them and you know get them out of the where they're a danger to shipping and that danger to fishing and all that stuff which is crazy because it's another part of this movie that was it was so educational for me because I was like it makes sense I bet that really happened and then I looked it up and I sure it absolutely happened that yeah that was a thing and I was like oh my god um and and this period of Japan this post 1945 Japan that is where they find themselves you know that that that there's [ __ ] laying around that will absolutely kill you that was left there by the guys who were fighting they're not cleaning it up right um someone has to yeah somebody has to so our guy's going out in his little wooden boat and they're cleaning up the minds and as that's happening we're reintroduced to the idea of Godzilla yeah but it ain't it ain't your it ain't your daddy's Godzilla it ain't the little one that attacked the beach this is the one that got irradiated with the uh nuclear testing and he's bigger and he's angrier Yep this is big giant more giant way scarier Godzilla and then when you're watching it I don't know how you felt but like well for one the ocean terrifies me like anything to do with the ocean I think is I'm predisposed to be terrified but I couldn't get over how scary the visual was of just Godzilla's head above the water chasing after him with a scary looking face I was like what hold what I kind of wanted to we need to do a super cut of this with jaws because I was just waiting for like Quint and Roy schider and just like we're going to need a bigger boat yeah and it's it's at that point like we see it like take out uh an American Naval vessel without even trying effortlessly effortlessly take so it's not even we need a bigger boat it's like we need a bigger Fleet yeah we're going to need hundreds of these boats to try to fight this thing yes yes yes yes because so they're trying to escape Godzilla and they end up getting one of the mines in its mouth and like shooting at the mine and I also thought it was brilliant how koosi the defected uh kamakazi pilot yeah is Manning the gun cuz like oh well yeah makes sense like he's trained to shoot these things and this is a skill set he can bring to a job he would not otherwise be doing and getting everybody in the ocean was just so it was also so intelligent the way this crew is put together and now they're out there but when they blow up the Mind thinking that they're doing something to set Godzilla back you see half of his face get blown off and then it instantly starts regenerating y I I don't remember seeing a version of Godzilla where he regenerated I know it exists but just in my in the library of Godzilla movies that I I've watched most that's something that's not used quite a bit and I was like wait whoa you guys are screwed it's always assumed and implied because no matter how much damage you do to Godzilla he's fine later he's justable the implication that he regenerates from damage is there this is the first time I've seen it actually put on that I remember seeing it put on fil yes same where same uh because he's he's not magical bullets still hit him bullets still make holes in him you know bombs still blow up and blow pieces of him off it's he's not magically made out of AD mantium or something so they right away very early on and this is smart they show that the scene you're talking about where he gets the mine in his mouth the the crew trying to get away from Godzilla puts a mine in his mouth they have mines so you know use what you got right they shoot it with the 20mm Cannon it goes off and as you said it blows a big chunk of his face off and I'm like oh well what are we doing now like is he dead what does this mean and then it was so smart to show him rapidly regenerating from that injury our guys still get away it still hurts Godzilla it still slows him down our guys still get away but now we're seeing that M gun oh they have a much bigger problem yes this problem is nowhere near solved it's actually a lot worse yes because ju just having big guns doesn't solve this problem now yes and it's brilliant stacking the problem on top of the problem right cuz it's already a problem that this dinosaur creature is back and way bigger yes but then oh and he also regenerates and all we did was get away that's all we did and now I mean we annoyed him yeah like we ticked him off so we should actually probably be really scared yeah we should all move very far inland that was when Jana and I my wife and I were watching the movie like when they got after that scene and they get away I'm like I would just move up what how far up can you live on Mount Fuji yeah like that's what I would be looking for is like what is the highest house on mji that you could this gu load up the wagon and we're just going to go the opp Direction being next to the ocean in this movie sucks yes don't do that don't be there I know it's so true hey guys we're going on a road trip we're going um North and we're just going to go until we can't yeah you look at the map and just find the point that's furthest from any Coastline you live here now yeah but the other smart thing they do is so the the Godzilla problem still exists it's still out there but we don't stay in that moment we jump forward a bit so we now we're now it is we're we've passed the cleanup portion of Japan and now we're into the rebuilding portion and I like the smart way they show this you know the trains are running right um Naro gets a job like a secretarial job in the city where she's dressing up in work clothes and she's got she's taken the train to work and you know uh so now we're starting to see this like this is Japan in recovery this is Japan building what they would later become sort of that economic Powerhouse you know instead of a military Powerhouse to become an economic Powerhouse we're seeing the beginning of that but the Godzilla problem is still out there we still know that that thing is is a problem right but we're still trying to recover in you know in the in the face of that uh which sets up some of the greatest scenes because then Godzilla shows up now it's not ramshackle huts on the beach it's a city it's a city we're building big buildings and I need to ask you as a horror director and a horror writer um why does Godzilla hate trains you know maybe May annoy him you know the way like some people don't like ants you know I don't because he does you're right he just always hates them he [ __ ] hates trains there has never been a Godzilla movie where he didn't [ __ ] wreck a train I know and he like bites them and Picks Them Up and shakes them he hates he hates when I first when we first watched it I was like I wonder if they just did this as an homage to the first movie cuz in 1954 Godzilla did it but it is funny how if there's a train Godzilla is not going to no hether no y i we have to talk about cuz one of the other things that I loved about this and it was especially in this moment where Godzilla shows back in the city is I loved the movie was already hearkening back to the original in a massive way and even building off the original with just all of the technology that's improved since right yeah and so it's already just feeling like a like a heightened contextualized re imagining of the original Godzilla the fact that with all the technology and the VFX they had having Godzilla resemble his original suitmation form you know y like a guy in a costume I just could not get over how much I loved that I was like you guys didn't need to do this but you did yes and you made him so threatening and scary but still looked like a guy in a rubber suit but now terrifying but the homage to that was great and then when the score started coming in it was like the original god Godzilla theme playing when it started going through the city I like got chills watching it cuz I was like this is incredible because this is it's reminding us of where all of this came from but it doesn't it still feels very threatening yeah very scary arguably feels even more effective than the original even did but is paying so much homage to the original as it's doing it was just the coolest thing in the world to me well and and the thing that they brought back that as as we sort of I'm going to use the term defanged as we sort of defanged Godzilla we made him a good guy we made him a superhero he fights aliens on our behalf all of that the sort of Toho era Godzilla yeah but and by the way to anyone listening I grew up watching those movies I [ __ ] love those movies yeah when I came home from school as a kid in like grade school um every Saturday those movies were on there was the there was a 4-Hour movie blocked it was two hours of Godzilla movies and it was two hours of kung fu movies I never missed 4 hours of TV on Saturday right so I've seen everyone of the old Godzilla movies and I love them so I'm not bashing of course those era movies I love those movies but they did sort of defang the original Godzilla they made him they made him less threatening yes he fights monsters he doesn't fight people right right and what this movie did is it shows so yeah when Godzilla Breeze nuclear fire on you yeah that sucks when Godzilla deliberately hits you with his tailor steps on you that sucks but the thing that this movie brought back is just walking around Godzilla is killing tons of people yeah just moving and they they they did didn't suck the blood out of it they left it's bloody it's it's uh when he knocks a building over there were people in that building and they all die yes yeah like showing that like there was a shot where his tail cuz his tail wasn't just some heavy thing of rubber just dragging behind him it was a living breathing moving massive muscular thing yeah and when you're seeing like there's like people on top of a building and the Tails like swinging by and they're all having to dive out of the way and it's just capping the top of the building I was like this is all this thing is doing is walking through this city yeah he didn't mean to do that he was just walking around this is just his size doing that and I was like golly like this is really putting into perspective uh how devastating just a walk would be which which is which is always true of Godzilla but so many of the later movies shied away from showing the damage shied away from showing the those details right like just the details of what was happening yeah yeah yeah so so just by moving around in the city God's God killing a lot of people and so the the goal in this movie you know and and we see the terror on a character the NCO character we love now we see her Terror we see the the her fight to survive in the middle of all of this chaos of this thing moving around so we're we're there with her we're we're emotionally engaged the the goal of the movie Now isn't you know in the too movies it was like we must befriend Godzilla let's get the twins that can sing to him right then he'll be on our side right it's not that it is we got to [ __ ] kill this thing cuz it just shows up and wrecks our stuff and that's not okay yeah if we don't do something to him we're all going to be gone like he's going to keep doing stuff yeah like we're all dead if we don't do something and the and the awesome thing they did and and and I was going to talk about this later but I want to talk about it now because it affects the thing I'm about to talk about this is old Godzilla the original Godzilla the gritty pre too era Godzilla in a movie made by Japanese filmmaker yes exploring the Japanese idea of Godzilla and the Japanese reaction to Godzilla in a way that Western filmmakers just don't just can't exactly right yep and that's was so refreshing it was and part of that is the thing I'm about to talk about which is when they're like we have to kill this thing it's Giant and it's it's going to wreck all of our [ __ ] we don't have an army anymore we don't have a Navy anymore we were disarmed after World War II so all the [ __ ] we used to have that we would use to fight something like this has been taken it's all gone it's it's been you know the the ships have been scuttled and scrapped um the arm you know we're allowed to have a minimal Army for just internal security purposes we're not allowed to expeditionary Army anymore that was all stuff that was signed into law after uh the surrender in World War II so that's the situation the Japanese are in in the 50s is a de disarmed Society yeah and so they're going on we had these big Cruisers that had huge guns on them and those would have totally worked but they've all been scuttled but they're gone they're gone and so how do we fight this thing with the stuff we have left right and it feels very much a story of how do we rebuild in the face of the catastrophe yes and CU that scene when they're all trying to plan it's like it it's kind of like the the this movie version of the board meeting in Amity and Jaws where everyone's coming together like just what are we going to do about this shark but obviously this is much bigger and much more emotional and like I think it's the general who kind of like he's kind of weepy when he's kind of talking about when they're all trying to figure out what they're going to do and then they all start coming together that's all they can do is come together as a people like we all we have really is each other yeah that is what we have our only weapon is each other and our ideas we don't have any out external support we don't have any weapons all we have is us so what do we do Ingenuity and a desire to survive yes the will to live this will to live in the face of the scars World War II has left on the country right so it's unbelievable talk about the general who gets weepy this is a man who failed this country this is a man who watched his country be humiliated and humbled and bombed almost out of exist resistance by thisable enemy and and as we see with with kichi there's so much survivors guilt yeah like I should have died in this fight and I didn't and I'm still here which leads up to the the the amazing speech the guy who stands up and goes maybe we don't die for our country maybe we live yeah I wrote down that quote it was Kenji he says because I I I had to write it down because I loved it so he says the next battle is not one ways to the death but a battle to live for the future yeah I was like like I just could it was so profound and it feels so connected to like it exposed to me an element of Japanese culture in post World War II that I probably intellectually knew about but had now had an emotional connection to yes that you take an entire culture that have been told that their their job is to die defending their Homeland and then that's taken away from them and now they're alive and what do they do and this guy just standing up and going well maybe we don't die for the Homeland maybe we live for the Homeland maybe we fix what's broken maybe we take care of each other yes and it's so good but it's also like that's the theme of the whole movie cuz even in the end the guy who couldn't sacrifice his life as a kamakazi pilot yep is now willing to sacrifice his life again as a kamakazi pilot but he's not even really sacrificing his life because he now has an in he now has the engineering built into the jet to be able to eject himself well but but let's let's talk about that so so you know we've talked a little bit about the movie so it starts out with the sort of really immediately post-war we're living in the rubble of the war then we move on to sort of that 50s rebuilding era where people wear business suits and they go on trains and they get they have jobs right and it feels like the beginning of the Japan that we know and then we get to the if we can't stop this thing it will destroy everything we've built all the hard work that we've put into rebuilding our country we have to do something and are these people coming together all these people with Survivor guilt facing off with this implacable threat and the guy saying hey let's try to live this time let's try to beat the thing and live and the guy who was too cowardly to be a comicazi at the beginning now says there's a way to win there's this one plane left we can put a bomb in it I will fly it into the monster I will blow the monster up and we don't know what the engineer is going to do because we have this engineer character which you brought up who through the whole movie he knows koichi's shame he knows his shame yep and he's very antagonistic to kichi through the film but by the time you get to the end you see koichi's bravery and the fact that now kichi has something immediate to fight for he's got this kid he's got this woman that he lives with who by the way we see a scene where we think she's been killed so he's got all the rage and and sorrow that comes from that yes that scene got me oh it was brutal uh Joe Joe and I talked about it uh after before we were doing this and we're both on the camp of like don't push him tackle him yes 100% the same thing the shock wave is coming and kichi is going to be killed by it and this that he lives with she shoves him out of the way so that he's not hit by and then she appears to be hit and it was crazy because it's not only are you so invested in these relationships but in the moment I was thinking this is a dude who couldn't sacrifice himself for the greater good and the closest relationship he has at this point in his life just sacrificed herself for him for him yeah and I was like this has to be like the the turning point for his change to become real because and and it is and in many ways it is because now he's like okay this thing this thing killed my girl he gotta go yeah right and and if I have to fly a bomb down his throat I'm down yep um so then then you get the sort of the implementation of the plan and you get the guys doing stuff with the boats and you get uh the engineer fixing the plane making it flyable this engineer who's had such an antagonistic relationship kichi through the film fixing the plane making it flyable and we don't know all of what he's done but they do talk about they take the gas tank out so they can put a bigger bomb in and so we know we know everything that has been done to this plane is turning it into a kamakazi plane it doesn't have enough gas to fly around a lot right it it's built for a oneway trip it's built for a one-way trip absolutely so then it builds up to this final moment where kichi does fulfill the mission he does fly the plane into Godzilla in what appears to be a suicide attack it does go off and it does does devastate Godzilla in a way that appears yes and even without anything that unfolds from this point after this that already is such a satisfying and moving conclusion right right like him just finally doing the thing and flying into Godzilla's mouth and it working when nothing else has worked I'm like well roll the credits man this was fantastic but the movie isn't done yet well because now the reveal is part of what the as you've been talking about the engineer did to the plane is he fixed the ejection seat yeah so he kichi is absolutely willing to kamakazi Godzilla yeah he's he is ready for it he's down he's like this guy killed my girl he he's got to go I'm driving this bomb right down his throat I don't care if I'm there with it yep and the engineer knows that but in spite of that the engineer goes ahead and fixes the ejections so that kichi doesn't have to die doesn't have to to accomplish the mission yeah and the reveal doesn't feel cheesy it doesn't feel like a day of sex like Ohi suddenly magically he didn't die because this thing when we when the reveal happens we absolutely understand everything we like oh yes because we have seen the engineer softening to kichi we have seen him admiring koichi's bravery now and his willingness to commit the sacrifice we've seen he sees his change yeah we see his change yeah it's happens we're like oh of course the of course the engineer did that of course he did it was completely earned and I love that the story weighed to reveal that because it allowed us to like I was saying feel the impact of koi's change realized right but I actually wrote this down too because it's like really koi story is a guy who wasn't willing to sacrifice himself who changes and ultimately becomes the guy who's now no longer a coward I'm now going to be brave enough to the thing that I couldn't at the beginning of the movie but then you have the mechanic at the beginning who's like you should have sacrificed yourself who now at the end is going don't do it yeah you don't need to do it live you don't need to do it you don't need to do it and I was like this is so layered and cool and and like you said like he jacks and it doesn't feel like a Dave Mach because it's so earned in the way they reveal it you're so moved and you're like this is touching back to the beginning of the movie and fulfilling the change of all of these characters and the change of this place and this culture for this moment it's so good and perfectly encapsulated in the speech that you read out earlier which is we're not here to die for our country anymore we're going to do more than that now we're here to live we're going to live live for the future we're going to rebuild and we're going to we have to live so we can keep going it's such an amazing message and I never engaged with that change in emotionally engaged with that change in sort of Japanese cultured following post post World War II m in this way and I think that's because this is Japanese filmmakers they're struggling with these big ideas with these big changes to their culture and to their country that came after World War II and they're putting it on film in a way that really reveals it um yes and I I I'm I'm so happy that that they were able to do that that that America hasn't so completely taken godzill over and made it their thing yes that this film couldn't be made yes I completely agree with that even after it was done because me and my son watched Oppenheimer too and it's just such a funny coincidence that these movies came out like the same year but um I was reading Christopher Nolan like loved minus one and I was like that's awesome but I was thinking how you know my definition of Godzilla prior and even though I watched the original it was just it was old black and white and I was young you know I a lot of it goes over my head like thematically right yeah and historically and so at the time I just didn't I was missing the stuff that was richer about that movie until later in life and then watching the American movies I just realized man we've of course we keep defining Godzilla as yeah this gigantic nuclear monster that also sort of protects us like a like like a necessary destruction a necessary monster and I was like of course we do that and that's so horrible because to make him just the monster and the devastation and to see the human side of it of we need to stop we need to not only do we need to beat this thing we need to live so that we can Thrive and move on and just the response to death and Devastation you can always choose to let that Define your future moving forward Ward forever or you can take it like we are going to thrive from here we are going to rebuild from here and we are as a survivors that is Our obligation is not to mourn what's been lost but to live to build a new future you know it was well we honor what's lost yeah ex by building the future Yeah by living and it's so good and it it it it just made me realize how much like I love the of course don't get me wrong like you said already like I love watching Godzilla fight other monsters yeah but it all starts to distract from the origin of Godzilla alone showing up in a place is a devastating and terrifying yeah thing and and not being a like an anti-hero not being like the monster that destroys stuff but at least he's protecting us from the other thing that destroys stuff no that destroys stuff yeah by the way we did when he did ah I just love this from an aesthetic standpoint when um because you know it's like okay like Godzilla comes out of the ocean in the beginning oh this is horrible and then Godzilla shows up in the ocean later when they're sweeping the mines and he's way bigger this is even worse right he regenerates when they blow him up oh this is even worse and he shows up on land okay him on land this size is much worse than him in the ocean this size yes and then they and then stacking on top of that the atomic Breath Right the way that his his what do you call like his spires on his back his little spines on his back pop up at least start like changing like charging up one by one and kind of unlocking from his spine and I was like oh this is first of all this is really cool second of all this is horrific because it's like what what's anybody going to do like they're just basically watching the slow charge up to horrific Devastation yeah and what where are they going to go nowhere there's nothing it's like the guy slowly racking the shotgun that he's pointing at you it's like I there's nothing I could do about that this is going to be really bad nope I exactly like the suspense of that but also just like it was so cool but also so terrifying yeah I think I think that is what this that is the tight RPP this movie walks so well it's cool but terrifying yes like like you still it's still Godzilla it's still a big monster step on and stuff but and and that's always cool to look at it's always cool but underneath that are these much richer themes much richer ideas yes um I one of the other thing that I liked about sort of the overall theme of this is these guys don't go to kill Godzilla because he exists they go to kill Godzilla because they're trying to rebuild and he's stopping that yeah I get the sense when these guys have their little meeting and they're like we got to stop this thing and the sense if Godzilla just stayed in the ocean and ate fish they wouldn't [ __ ] with him yeah they'd be like go there's a giant dinosaur in our ocean go eat fish it's fine we don't care um it's only because he is stopping this important rebuilding there doing that's the only reason they want to take him out and the threat that he is is just so great it's very it's it's it's subtle but it is a different spin than the American version yes you you get the sense of the American version big monster exists therefore it must die mhm yes whereas this is big monster exists and he broke our stuff and we need to build stuff and he's killing our guys and we need to we need to keep those people alive so that's why we're going to take him out yeah instead of it's it's not the big game hunter version of Godzilla yes yeah yeah yeah yeah totally totally I mean it's I feel like we've said it but it it it's just it's the first time that I was actually kind of scared of Godzilla yeah you know like I've always recognized intellectually that he was a threat but this was the first Godzilla movie where I actually felt he was was really scaring me like I was scared of Godzilla when he showed up I was like oh yeah freaked out which was part of that is what I talked about earlier that they didn't they didn't make it bloodless yes because in in some in many Godzilla movies Godzilla is still big and he's scary and he knocks buildings over but we never see the consequence of that yeah yeah this movie does not shy away from the consequence yes you know when a building falls over the people in that building are dead now and that's a terrible thing yeah exactly and the movie was never trying to make me sympathize with Godzilla which is something I'm really used to and to make the movie centered on the human emotion of it so deeply makes Godzilla even more threatening because you realize the part of the story that I'm really invested and care about is in danger Yeah by this Force coming in which leads to the uh so you know so they they do the the bomb Works they fly it down Godzilla thrat they blow it up Godzilla appears to be dead and so we have we've stopped the threat um the only false note in the movie is still one that I'm totally fine with which is where they find NCO alive in the hospital right yes yes yes oh man let's talk about that's not set up there's no there's you know it it feels like completely out of left field when they find her and she's alive I don't care I want her to be alive yeah like I'm happy about this but that was when we were watching it that was our first reaction was wait a second how and she also didn't look like she was too banged up considering it looked ened she's kind of wrecked right but she got washed away by like an onslaught of brick and stone and metal right but do you know with all that said I agree with you like it was so satisfying as far as emotionally that I'm like N I can let it go I want her to be alive but what do you do you have a clue what the black mark is that appears on her neck cuz I was trying to like look it up cuz I was like is this teasing something what is the deal with this cuz remember how they like they reunite and they Embrace and then the camera kind of lingers on her neck and you see this kind of black mark under her skin kind of spreading up her neck towards her ear and then it ends uh I don't know what that is I was like I guess and I don't know I mean I'm sure that I'm sure that there will be comments correcting it or explaining it cuz I didn't get to dive deep enough but my my understanding is I guess in the lore of Godzilla and like the the Japanese lore of Godzilla and how they fing Godzilla there is an aspect of his scales when they come off or getting getting contact exposure to Godzilla gives you the Regeneration what really yeah but not in a not in a yay I'm alive way in it I'm turning I'm going to turn into a mutant and I guess there's a I guess one of the movies I don't know which one I can't remember which one they said someone actually like turns into like a Kaiju like someone actually like like body [ __ ] like W it regenerates them but then they start they continue mutating the way the Godzilla continue m is it possible this is a Godzilla movie I haven't seen I thought I'd seen them all I'll look at I'll find out what the name of it is I was just trying I was going on Godzilla Reddit I was just like someone's got to explain this to me cuz why would they show going to turn into a Kaiju I that I mean the question is I think that was the tease was just like not necessarily that more than what is going to happen to her and that it is related to Godzilla in some way or the exposure of Godzilla in some way but it might not be good and and and again uh I mean I do call it a false note because it if I was writing a screenplay I would not do that I would not have the character just I'm magically alive uh I mean the the worst example of this the one that drives me nuts St Spielberg made a pretty good world the Worlds movie that he ruins in the last act yes and part of what ruins it in the last Act is hi I'm the son that ran away into the battle and I'm magically alive and I beat you here to the parents house yes yes which is so false it's such a false note yes age it invalidates so much of the emotion that you had before this yes that it's just it just drives me crazy every time I see well it feels so convenient and it's just like convenience is just the enime of these movies right it's like I've just watched the charactered yes right which is for me the next level up is contrivance you know where it's just like come on really that that's a really funny comparison it's so true and for some reason when this one happened which is you could call it kind of the same thing for some reason it didn't have that effect on me because I was just so happy she was alive yeah same because you're just and that's just the Testament to the movie is just the amount of time it's spent but also the quality of the story like you just you're so invested in the human story of this movie like I said before like from right out the gate a kamakazi pilot who doesn't want a kamakazi like yeah and now has survivors guilt like from the Geto I'm like wow I'm invested in the human story of this and by the way Godzilla's also in this you know like the movie without Godzilla was already really pulling me in which is all why when she shows up in the end you're just relieved I guess they could have I feel like if I was writing it that would have been one of the things that maybe would have saved for a sequel like a sequel reveal like she's here and that being like one of the core Mysteries is like well I'm happy that she's here but how is she here right you know assuming that that's going to be a thing at all you know but that' be pretty fascinating if the same if the same filmmakers make another one I'm going to watch it 100% I think these guys did a fantastic job yeah so I I'm all on board I have enormous confidence in the filmmakers who made this movie if they make more movies I'm going to go see those movies yes 100% And for me that's the highest compliment you can pay filmmaker it's like if their name is on the thing you go see it yeah yeah just the the blind loyalty it's like you your brand is a brand that I trust so yeah I'm I'm I'm in for whatever you're looking to do yeah let's let's where would you rank where would you rank Godzilla minus one among um Godzilla movies as far as like your ranking it's my favorite Godzilla movie ever yeah I was going to say the same I just wanted to ask you first it's my you going to do the top five are we doing the top five that is the top five is is the Godzilla rankings is it yes it is so let me let me pull that up so you guys Brett gave us a perfect segue into it very good he he was reading my mind he has the ESP you're welcome it's a short read uh this is the patron pool that they came up with of what they uh thought were the the top choices so minus one number one correct without question for me for like 1,000% yes I would agree now you know what I haven't seen yet Ty that I'm dying to see and my son's begging me to watch cuz this movie got me going was Shin Godzilla yeah yeah Shin godzill is pretty good um it's basically like another reboot but a modern reboot right yeah yeah it is a modern reboot yep see and that's cool but that's that's what I keep reading that I feel myself feeling too is that there's just something extra special about Godzilla minus one being a 1945 movie yeah yeah and and I I would I I would put Gojira up there because it is really the movie that started everything and oh that's awesome um I do like 2014 quite a bit there are there are moments in 2014 that are some of the best Godzilla moments ever oh yeah and one of those moments is when they parachute out and they're dropping on the parachut and then the parachute guys are going past Godzilla cuz he's so [ __ ] big they're parachuting past him yes that that is maybe one of the greatest Godzilla shots ever oh it's unreal I'm one of the teaser trailers was just that shot yes CU it's an amazing shot and you're like Jesus Christ so good but that's the Brilliance of that movie was the the dedication to executing it from camera perspectives that were human motive in order to keep Godzilla feeling massive like there's shots just from the like office building windows that just contextually putting him in a a POV that you have recognized having in your life but putting Godzilla in it it's the biggest Godzilla has ever felt to me watching that movie and that was my big takeway I agree and and and big and powerful and implacable and Unstoppable and and all of the things Godzilla should be to be terrifying 100% age there's I don't love the sort of the a lot of the human stuff in 2014 Falls flat for me yeah I agree um but the Godzilla stuff is topnotch and that shot of them falling past Godzilla on as they're parachuting in is I think the greatest Godzilla shot ever put on film it's incredible it's so good I once Brian Cranston was not in the movie I was having a hard time sticking with yeah unfortunately that is that is a thing that I'm less interested in his son and his wife and their domestic problems I'm less interested in that agreed totally agreed um and I as as a kid my abs now and feel free to disagree as a kid my absolute favorite hoo Godzilla movie Mecca Godzilla Mecha Godzilla I was goingon to say meca Godzilla yeah I say oh man when I was young that was just well for one it made a rat action figure oh my God it was the best right it was a rat action figure if you were the kid on your block that had the Mecca Godzilla action figure you were the king of that block y well let's see uh how close the patrons were let's see what they say Obviously Godzilla minus one Gojira yep uh Godzilla 2014 it was Godzilla vers godilla versus Kong see I think Godzilla versus Kong is not as good as meca Godzilla it was entertaining yes it was like one of those where like it was done and I was like I saw it big dum that was fun it was yeah it was big dumb like I I I enjoyed it in the hour and a half or two hours I was watching it and then I immediately forgot everything about it completely I was just about to say like I haven't seen it since and I don't remember anything about it except the fight in the end was I remember thinking that it was cool yeah but did you watch the series Monarch uh yeah my wife and I watched it and it's okay I mean we it's it's enjoyable popcorn TV it had some good stuff it was a mixed B I mean the fact that he had Cur that's why I was there in the first place I would like to say it was because of Godzilla but I knew Godzilla was barely going to be in it so I was there for Kurt yeah all right uh you got any final thoughts before we uh before we Punch Out we've done our top five uh no I just really hope that they make another I don't know what they're going to call a sequel to Godzilla minus one I don't know if logic says it means is Godzilla zero cuz we're counting upwards from the negatives but I hope to make a sequel yeah I I if if these guys make more movies I'm going to watch them because they' really earned they've earned my respect and my trust as filmmakers excited to see what else they do y otherwise I'm I'm really I'm really stoked have gotten to come hang out and talk about this movie like I've just been dying to talk about it period but it's good to be back on the podcast with you well and it's good to have a man on the podcast with a with a mustache I can respect yeah thank you you know I just feel like there needs to be more mustache representation on the podcast and I'm trying to bring it and and AIS you know there's a lot of guys with the wispy [ __ ] mustache yeah that ain't gonna fly trying too hard it's just they watch Tombstone too many times that is not going to fly if you can't if you can't one onone with Tom celic then just get the [ __ ] out oh man that's High Praise You know it's I think I'm ready to go through the rest of my day now maybe the rest of my week go get in your Ferrari go pick up the girl in the Bikini my Chopper okay and get my Chopper Cruise low over the ocean nice all right man thanks for coming and uh filling in for Wes who obviously doesn't take any of this seriously and is totally unprofessional yeah honestly glad I could be here you're welcome maybe we'll just get rid of Wes and you and I can just talk about movies oh I missed that guy just let Wes come but I'll come anytime appreciate getting come on with you appreciate it uh Joseph let's go ahead and hey say goodbye Ty [ __ ] off Joseph [Music] let's go to work man let's go to work [Music]

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Published: Wed Jul 03 2024