Garbage: Whatever Happened To The Band & Shirley Manson? Only Happy When It Rains, Vow, Stupid Girl

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Garbage would emerge out of the  90’s blending together techno,   shoegazing, powerpop, grunge, and post  - punk, but by the early to mid 2000’s   the band was hanging on by a thread. . Today  let’s explore the history of the band Garbage.  The history of Garbage really began several  decades prior to the formation of the band.   Since frontwoman Shirley Manson was a lot younger  than the rest of the members, the men in Garbage   had already had a long history in the music  industry seeing both the highs and the lows.  Drummer Butch Vig and multi-instrumentalist  Duke Erickson grew up in small town America.   Vig hailed from Veroqua wisconsin was the son  of a norwegian doctor. Vig originally spent six   years studying the piano before switching over to  the drums. At a young age he begged his parents   to join tbe columbia house music club so he could  get his hands on a grand funk railroad record.   Erickson meanwhile grew up in lyons , Nebraska  a town of no more than a 1,000 people.   A place where erickson would venture out  othe local appliance store to buy records.   To both men, the pop music they  heard on the radio in their youth,   seemed to come from a foreign planet given  that they lived in pretty isolated places.   It would be ironic that years later  they would be played on that same radio.  One of Vig’s earliest musical memories  was witnessing a Steppenwolf concert which   inspired the same type of energy he wanted  to replicate with Garbage’s live shows.  The city of Madison Wisconsin also played  an important rol3 in Garbage’s history.   in the 70’s. The city was part of a thriving  music scene that saw nu-wave and AMerican and   british punk rock groups playing at  a local legendary club named Merlyn.  Madison was also the birth place of one of the  city’s most iconic band’s named Spooner who   formed in 1974 by Duke Erickson. Erickson would  front the band while also playing guitar & he   had initially planned on becoming an art teacher,  but music soon became his calling. It was during   this time Butch Vig was studying at the University  of Wisconcin specializing in film direction.   Both men had apparently met each other at the  university of wisconcin and by 1978 Vig was   planning on moving to Colorado to become a ski  instructor, but Erickson who knew Vig convinced   him to stay in Madison and join Spooner as  the band's drummer something he agreed to do.   Vig would bring along another film student named  Steve Marker who would join the band as a roadie.  Spooner would end up having some success in  the midwest releasing two well-received albums   and opening for the likes of Pat  Benatar, Cheap Trick and The Police.  Spooner would eventually fall apart with  the trio regrouping in same roles to form   the follow-up group Firetown. But like a  lot of musicians the trio grew frustrated.   Firetown released their first album for $5,000,  had a modest hit with the single carrying a   torch and even had some exposure on mtv with  vig recalling to the morning call newspaper  "All of a sudden all the major labels came  after us," "We ended up signing and doing a   huge budget record in New York and touring. (But  then) everything kind of just fell apart. I mean,   the classic things that happen to you -- your  A&R; guy leaves, your management breaks up,   your tour support is pulled, your bass  player quits the band. All the disasters   that happen to so many bands happened to us.  It kind of left a bitter taste in my mouth."  It was this experience that convinced Vig  that he never wanted to play in a band again   or go on tour. Marker and Vig started getting more  involved in music production investing in a four   track recorder. Marker and Vig opened up their  own studio in Madison in the mid 80’s called   Smart Studios. Soon enough, Vig's production  career started to take off. He would work with   local Madison act , Killdozer, and land work from  one of America’s biggest indie labels at the time   Chicago based touch and go records. His  success as a producer didn’t happen overnight.   He would produce hundreds of bands telling the  Morning Call "I did polka bands, an opera singer.   I produced jazz and country bands and heavy metal  bands." By the 90’s Vig started producing more   high profile acts including Nirvana, the Smashing  Pumpkins and Sonic Youth. Despite his massive as   a producer Vig would admit to the Morning Call  that he didn't want to be typecasted saying 'i   didn't want to be known as well he's a grunge  producer." it was during the same time period   that vig, marker and erickson would lay the  foundation for what would become garbage.   The trio would begin taking the music of U2,  and Nine Inch Nails keeping the vocal tracks   but erasing all the instrumentals and recording  his own music. Vig would tell the Washington Post   "That's what got me back into it," "When we do  remixes, we erase everything and basically rewrite   the songs. And for the first time in about four  or five years, I was writing and playing again."  "I'm a sucker for a pop song and a  great hook. I'm really a pop geek  We wanted to write melodic pop songs and have a  lot of guitar hooks but also experiment and put   in all kinds of crazy noises, distort the drums or  cut them up, run it backwards, whatever" he'd say.  Vig and company had an idea that this  new project would remain as a studio act   with a revolving group of vocalists. The three  men agreed that the first singer they wanted   to work with should be a female and it was by  strange coincidence that Marker and Vig were   watching MTV one night when they saw a band  named Angelfish performing the song Suffocate   Me. Fronting the group was a sultry woman  named Shirley Manson. Vig recalled to Yahoo,   “We were all very struck by it. I think the thing  that really drew us into the song, and to Shirley,   was she singing really low and understated at  the time. A lot of the bands on 120 Minutes,   or sort of the alternative music scene that was  breaking, were full-on roar. We just thought   that Shirley was kind of doing the opposite of  what a lot of singers were doing at the time.   Within 24 hours The trio were able to  get in touch with Angel Fish’s label   who passed on shirley’s information to them and a  meeting was setup with her at a hotel in london.   Manson hailed from Edinburgh, Scotland Born  in 1966. Her mother was a big influence on   her as she was a singer performing in big bands,  while her father was a geneticist.. Manson would   soon become fans of groups like The Pretenders  and Siouxsie and the Banshees. A gifted child she   would take up music at a young age playing piano,  violin, clarinet and even attended theater camp.   Despite her talents she was very hard on herself  as a child hating her and i quote “pugly-ugly”   looks, while her sisters were lavished with much  more attention and praise. Manson rebelled telling   Spin magazine “I was unhappy at school and wanted  to be bad so i became very truculent and insular   and started playing siouxie and the banshees  and screaming really really loud i hate you,   i hate you. I started wearing my dad’s clothes  all the time and hiding behind black eye makeup.It   was just not a nice time. My mum lost her  singing voice because she was so angry with me   because she got so upset with my delinquency. ”  Despite rebelling against her parents she had a   pretty solid family relatively speaking, growing  up in the neighbourhood of Stockbridge which was   full of broken hippie homes telling Spin “i really  should have had no complaints about my upbringing   considering that all my friends were from these  broken hippie homes. We were pot smoking early   because my friends parents gave us joints. My  friends mother was a prostitute another friends   mom was addicted to alcohol and antidepressents.  My eyes were opened up quite early: she'd say.   Manson would end up leaving leaving school at 15,  working at a clothing store start hooking up with   boys and go the night clubs dancing the weekend  away. By the age of 17 in 1984 she would join her   first band the post-punk out Goodbye Mr. Mackenzie  as a backup singer. It was during this time she   got into tulmultous relationship with the group’s  frontman Martin Metcalfe telling Loudersound   “I felt so plain and normal, and like such an  incredible fraud for not really doing much in   the band,” she says. “I was also involved with a  man who lived a pretty wild and extreme existence,   so there was a lot of madness and excess.  I just longed for a bohemian lifestyle. I   would go out to clubs every night and dance  myself stupid. That felt like a freedom.  Goodbye Mr. MacKenzie had a little taste of  success having a single called The Rattler   that charted in the UK peaking at number 37 in  the spring of 1989. Manson’s relationship with   Metcalfe would fall apart and she eventually  left the group. She would soon find herself   playing with the outfit Angelfish who nabbed  a recording contract with Radioactive Records.   The group released one album and did a brief  tour before she joined the group Garbage.   Now let’s get back to that meeting  between the men in garbage and manson.  Within 24 hours of witnessing Manson’s performance  on MTV, the men were able to contact her record   label who passed on her information to them.  Soon enough a meeting was arranged in London at   a hotel. While it seemed like a big break for  Manson she wasn’t initially sold on the idea   given that the men were significantly older  than her and already had connections to the   music industry telling the LA Times “I come from a background of what I   call working bands,”“That means we basically  traveled around doing [crummy] gigs. There’s   a certain snobbishness that exists among bands  like that, where ‘producer’ becomes an ugly word.   So when I joined this band, my attitude toward the  other [members] was ‘You don’t know everything.’  “Once I started to work with them, though,  I quickly realized that not only were they   musicians with a profound knowledge of the studio,  but they were also passionate about what they   wanted to do musically--even persnickety  about what sounds they wanted to make.”  Arrangements would be made for Manson to  come to Madison to rehearse with the band.   She would tell Yahoo about the chance she  took auditioning for the band sayingYou   know, traveling from Scotland to  Madison, with no money in my pocket,   no way of really getting home, no way of touching  base. I wouldn't recommend that for anyone. But   I was very lucky that they weren't creeps. They  could have easily been creeps, and at least one   of them could have been a weirdo, but they were  really great. The audition process didn’t really   go as well as you might have thought. Erikson  would recall to Loudersound “We couldn’t get   into Smart Studios because it was full, so we had  to set up a makeshift studio in the basement of   Steve’s house. We ran a mic cable upstairs to the  lounge, where Shirley sat all by herself. It was   a bleak couple of days in winter. I’d go up and  check on her now and again and she would just be   staring out the window.” Itw as during this time  that Manson was staying in a hotel in Madison   with Vig admitting to yahoo it was a scene similar  to the shining with shirley being the only person   staying in that particular wing of the hotel. Manson for her part lied to the band claiming she   was a songwriter even though she wasn’t admitting  to yahoo “They just said, ‘OK, we're going to play   some music and you're going to just come see what  you come up with, see what comes up off the top   of your head.’ And I had never done any writing  before in my life up to this point, but I had   lied to them, saying yes I was a writer, because  I thought if I was honest and said I didn't write,   I wouldn't get a chance of auditioning. .. I think  they were like, ‘Oh my God, who's this loser?’   And I went home, and their management called me up  the next day and said, ‘I hear the audition didn't   go so well yesterday.’ And I was like, ‘Yeah,  it was terrible. But I feel like maybe if we had   another go, it might go better.’” Thankfully,  Manson’s future bandmates felt the same way.  Manson would return home with some of the demos  she had worked on during her time in Wisconcin   and this is where things took a turn for the  better. She soon started writing lyrics for the   songs Only Happy When It Rains and Vow and when  the men got in touch with her to audition again   there was finally a sense of direction to the  band’s sound. The men in Garbage buried their   plans to have a revoling cast of singers.  But there initial plans to remain a studio   act weren’t fully abandoned yet. Manson would  admit to the Washington Post "Touring is a very   intimate and closely formed activity"and I  was frightened of going near a stage with   three people I didn't know. I remember saying,  I'm not playing with you guys live!' But at the   same time their songwriting partnership blossomed Manson would admit the band changed their tune on   touring after filming the video for Vow. The music  represented the first time the band performed live   together. While Manson may have felt insecure in  her new band, Vig reinforced just how important   she was to the group telling Spin “You know  if we hadn’t met shirley there quite possibly   wouldn’t be any garbage.We wouldn’t have put  a record out and we would have gone back to   producing. Our ideas were so obvious and literal  Shirley really helped give us more of a context.   It was also another characteristic of  Shirley that made her fit in with the group   and that was her honesty and outspokeness.  So where did the name Garbage come from?   Well a friend would hear an early rehearsal  and said that the band sounded like garbage.   Vig would tell the chicago tribune. "He kept  laughing and chanting 'Garbage, garbage, garbage,'   and I told him, 'We're gonna to turn that garbage  into a song & thus the band's name was born.   The band's debut album featured some songs  containing as many as 120 tracks & Shirley   would recall to the LA Times how far along some  of the songs were when she joined the group saying   “By the time I joined the band,” “they  had these little sketches of songs,   but nothing was finished. Some of the ideas  for lyrics I found unsuitable, and others I   liked and worked on with them. I always went  to bat for what I believed in she'd say.  The album’s themes dealt with obsession,  voyerurism and hedonism and self-destruction.   The group would land a recording contract  with boutique label Almo records,   which was distributed through Geffen.  The label signed the group after A&R   man bob bortnick discovered the group. The band  was soon the subject of a bidding war between   different labels with Bortnick telling billboard  magazine “they were the best sounding demos I   ever heard. I was really knocked out, but i didn’t  say anything.” Bortnick who was new at the label   only having worked their for several weeks was  careful not to push his ideas. But luckily for   him the band enjoyed the idea of working with a  new label and signed with Almo. When Bortnick met   the band for the first time in Madison, they sent  a garbage truck to pick him up for the airport.  Ahead of the band’s debut album dropping, there  was a lot of self doubt about this new project.   Vig would tell the washington post "I was  terrified, particularly because no one knew who we   were," says Vig. "They knew who I was, and I knew  if the record came out and bombed and if we went   out and sucked live, no one would remember Duke,  Steve and Shirley, it would have been me because   I had the highest profile at the time." Vig  would also admit in other interviews that those   close to him told him not to do the band thing. The group's self titled album was released in   August of 1995 It barely cracked the billboard  200 charting at number 193 Their success in   America happened really accidentally. The  track "Vow" licesend to a UK magazine and   cd sampler publication named Volume in late  1994. it was subsequently picked up by BBC   Radio 1 DJs Steve Lamacq and John Peel, who  played it on their show in December of 1994.  The first stations to embrace the band in  America was Seattle’s KNDD and KROQ or K-Rock   in Los Angeles. Both stations program directors  stumbled across the band’s promotional single   in that copy of Volume magazine. Vow was already  hitting the airwaves in America may of 1995   several months ahead of the album’s release and  the label was taken aback by the reception and   was not really prepared for it. This would  result in Vow not really getting the proper   promotion it deserved. Despite that the song  still peaked at number 97 on the hot 100 charts.   There were talks of re-releaing the  single down the road, but the label   opted to put out a different song from the record. As the band focused on hitting the road to support   the album, they ran into a problem. How would they  replicate the studio recordings in a live setting.   Vig would recall to the washington post. we realized pretty quickly that we couldn't   do that. Once we started freeing ourselves up  from having to translate the songs that way,   we started speeding them up and changing  keys, doing different intros and outros,   started ad-libbing things"he'd say. Helped by a string of hugely successful   singles including Vow, Only Happy when It Rains.  Queer and Stupid Girl Coupled that with an outake   called , "No. 1 Crush," appearing on the  multiplatinum "Romeo + Juliet" soundtrack   in addition to a a grueling 18 month tour the  band’s self titled debut record moved several   million copies in America. Manson’s bandmates  took a backseat to their singer whose honesty   and personal appearance attracted a lot  of attention.. Hailed as a sex symbol   Glamour magazine would identify her as and  i quote “poster girl for rock’s new glamour”   While she would wear various designers and sell  her own makeup on the band’s website, companies   including teen fashion house contemporary casuals  would even hire a model bearing some resemblance   to manson in their marketing campaign. A  spokeperson for the company at the time   would say “Shirley is definitely an icon that  young girls can say now there’s somebody i can   relate to & look up to. She’s got an edgy kind of  bare bones cool essence that isn’t overpackged.”  Three years later the band returned with  their highly anticipated follow up Version 2.0   As the software like title suggested it was  meant to be more of an improvement over what   worked. . Manson wrote virtually all the lyrics  on the album resulting in a much more personal,   direct and revealing record than its  predecessor. Vig would reveal to the Morning Call  "We thought it would be a mistake to  reinvent ourselves,". "We felt we really   kind of carved out our turf and established our  identity. That's really important these days,   because so many bands have one hit and then they  disappear. We wanted to take everything we did on   the first record and make it better." adding "The  first album was put together, very much more cut   and paste over a long period of time, and a lot  of the songs took a much longer time to develop.   This time, all four of us were in the studio. And  from playing live together (the band toured for   18 months in support of the debut), there was a  certain chemistry and dynamic that had developed.   It was the first time we actually recorded live  in the studio. "we were all more comfortable   working this time around because we knew each  other," says Vig,. The album was another success   going platinum spawning the singles i think i’m  paranoid and push it, by the way who remembers   playing NHL 2000 on the PC back in the day? But expectations, self-esteem issues and just   the craziness of being thrust into the public  spotlight weighed heavily on the members of the   band with Marker recalling to Loudersound We didn’t realise how crazy it all was,”   flying into Europe from America on a private  plane for one night to play at the MTV Awards,   and having Mick Jagger walk into our dressing room  to say hi. It was all going so fast. And that,   mixed with our bizarre self-esteem issues, always  thinking we had fucked everything up, didn’t allow   us to see the big picture.” Manson would add “I was thrilled by our success but embarrassed   about it too,” Manson admits. “It was as if it  meant that in some way we must suck. I also felt   like I had to be something I wasn’t. I would freak  out if I hadn’t had a manicure, like I wasn’t   being a good pop star. I felt as though everybody  was disappointed when they met me in real life,   because I was aware I was working with  incredible image makers and that I didn’t   look like that. Mad, twisted, sick thinking.  And it made me ill in the end" she'd say.  Three years later in September of 2001 Garbage  released their third album beautiful garbage.   The material was mostly written during the  version 2.0 tour. Manson would chronicle the   progress of the album online in numerous blog  posts, becoming one of the first big rockstars   to do this. The band would deal with business  issues in 2000 as their label almo records folded   after universal music group purchased them  resulting in a prolonged legal battle with   universal. The lawsuit Garbage filed against  Universal Music Group Claimed that the company   is and i quote is "effectively holding [singer]  Shirley Manson as ransom" by threatening to   uphold stipulations in a contract she signed in  her previous band Angelfish which was signed to   Radioactive Records which was now alsoowned by  UMG)” — stipulations the suit claimed have been   ignored since Garbage came to fame in 1994. Manson  would tell Loudersound We brought out our third   record [2001’s Beautiful Garbage], and we were  due to promote it the day before the September   11 attacks and then the whole world changed.  Musical tastes changed and we were plunged into   decades of, for the most part, sugary pop. All of  a sudden we were an old-fashioned band that nobody   wanted to hear from. Our record company were  furious because they wanted to make money, so   they wanted us to change our sound and they wanted  us to compromise. We were not prepared to do that.   To counter the demands of the label of moulding  her into a popstar she cut her hair short. And   dyed her hair blond. During the tour drummer  butch vig would be diagnosed with heptatis A   followed by bell’s palsy resulting in the  group bringing in a few replacement drummers,  In addition to that Manson was going through  an ugly divorce with her first husband Eddie   Farrell claiming in the same interview “At that point I was a basket case,” “It   was an incredibly painful divorce and it  sent me off the rails. I just felt very   scared and panicked in the world, not able to  trust anyone. So nobody, not even the band,   knew what I was going through she'd say. The band’s fourth album bleed like me   almost never came out as the group's chemistry  seemed to be disappearing Released in the spring   of 2005 the band called it quits six months later  while on tour when tensions within the group   and with their record label came to a head. Vig  would tell Loudersound “I remember feeling an   unbelievable sense of exhilaration when we finally  decided to quit the tour,” “It had been ten years   and we were worn out and sick of each other.” Manson would add in the same interview“We were   barely even speaking,” “We didn’t want  to talk to anyone outside of the band   about the problems we were having with our  career, so of course it turned into this   whole passive-aggressive thing between us. I just  wanted to get the f out of there and go home.” During their time off the men in garbage went back  to producing while Manson worked on a solo record,   collaborated wth other artists and appeared in the  tv show Terminator: The sarah connor chronicles.  The band members would reconvene in 2010 due  to personal tragedies. Manson’ mom would pass   away due to dementia in 2008, while the following  year mutual friends of Manson and Vig dealt with   the death of one of their children from cancer.  Manson and Vig woul see each other at the funeral   and talk things over and jam sessions with the  other members of garbage would be initiated.   The band would release three albums since their  reunion including 2012’s Not your kind of people,   2016’s strange little birds, and  this years no gods, not masters.  That does it for today's video guys thanks  for watching. Be sure to hit the like button   and subscribe and we'll see you again  on rock n' roll true stories. Take care.
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Published: Wed Dec 15 2021
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