FULL CONTEXT: Vaush is a danger to society...

all right what do we got next what do we got next okay [ __ ] I don't know do I actually want to do this don't worry we're not going to be watching the whole video I just have a lot of comments to say this is probably one of the grossest situations to show up recently on YouTube and I'm going to be covering it because because because someone has to okay dude made an hour and 40 minute long video and no one's ever going to react to this I've already watched it beforehand yes you could say pre-at so I could systematically go through the video point out the things I disagree with and the things that I actually do agree with first of all disagree with the length this video did did not need to be an hour 40 minutes long and before we get into the actual points uh let me brief you on the situation and because it's one of the ugliest YouTube situations in a long time vosch is a left-wing political YouTube debate bro streamer guy now this guy has been known for a lot of bad takes in the past the point is going to be tackling one very very specific Niche topic that vosch has been getting into hot water about recently specifically vosch over five separate occasions has defended the ethical consumption of child porn um now he has always done it in different contexts and for different reasons and um for that reason uh he has made this hour and 40 minute long video defending this uh this stance not per se The Stance as much as the different arguments to prove that he is not a pedophile he opens up the video like this saying that I am not a pedophile and I am going to defend myself and prove that I am not a pedophile I don't think a lot of people called him a p like uh a pedophile that has actually committed crimes as much as saying that brother what you're saying is incredibly weird and it might tell us things about you yourself before we actually start going through the video piece by piece I would like to tell you a few things that he has I think on purpose omitted from this video so recently on one of his live streams he actually accidentally leaked on his stream that he has a massive folder full of Lolly horse porn Okay uh he accidentally leaked Leed it uh it was right next to his taxes folder on his computer which was absolutely hilarious uh and he got dragged all over the place for it because that is insanely weird now in the context of him defending the ethical consumption of child pornography over the last couple of years it brings his Lolli porn addiction into question not to mention all the horse stuff now another important detail is he calls people that like lollip porn pedophiles he called rev says Des a pedo Lord because rev says Desu defends Lolli porn which again I my my stance on Lolli porn is I think it's [ __ ] weird I don't think it's an actual crime now rev says Desu is someone that defends uh Lolli porn and he calls him a ped Lord for defending it now he has a massive folder that has tons of Lolli porn what does that say about him himself so he avoids two major comments uh in his actual video here one is is that he avoids this hypocrisy where he calls people pedophiles for H for being into Lolli porn despite the fact that he has Lolli porn that is the first major point that he actually omits from this ENT dude hour and 41 minute long video you think he can actually address everything so he skips that entire thing and also he does not once mention throughout this video the actual animal porn [ __ ] that he's into he avoids that topic entirely as well so with that in mind I already don't love where he's going with this um so now we are going to be getting into the the nitty-gritty a couple of the details a couple of his takes and a couple of the things I disagree with throughout this video because I think it's important for people to see the context he's showing so that I can also show you why I think he's being very bad faith about this argument entirely so this is a video I probably should have made a long time ago there are two main reasons why I haven't for one everything we're about to talk about has been discussed over and over and over again on this channel uh in in live streams and in videos some of it has been discussed to death over engagement with the topic has caused it to have a disproportionate influence both on my community and on the way people outside of my community perceive me and my channel the second main reason I've been hesitant to make this I wonder why interesting are you saying that there's a reason perhaps why that might perceive you as weird interesting interesting video is because experience has taught me that generally speaking if folks want to hate you or distrust you or whatever else it's pretty difficult to convince them he's right otherwise he is spitting facts right now man is spitting facts it is really hard to convince people uh now I am biased obviously because I find the whole defense of child porn [ __ ] like abhorent and disgusting so uh I'm biased but that said that said um it is very hard to get people to change your mind which is why I am going to be coming here I'm trying my best I know this is on stream and I'm not like scripting all this [ __ ] but I'm going to try to be hard and on object on objectivity okay um despite the fact that I find it [ __ ] gross also uh it should be known that he also again speaking of the Beast ofile stuff that he's ignoring you see these little geckos in the background he has a couple of geckos he has so many Clips talking about how he uh he molests his geckos okay and it's a weird thing I put them on my dick and I let them lick me and I rub and and he has a lot of really weird Clips like that again completely omitted from this video and again who's going to watch an hour and 41 minute long video to to prove the fact that he didn't talk about the geckos good point to make just the attempt to change people's minds can come across as kind of self-incriminating you actually ground them further in the positions they already have see see here's the thing I don't think that this video grounds me further against him I just think that this video um this video does a great job because it actually explains all the context and whenever people go up against this guy and and have anything negative to say about this guy everyone always jumps on them for saying they just didn't have the context well now we have the context so that argument Falls flat you know it's one of those deals where the people who need to hear it won't listen and the people who will listen don't need to hear it again he's a very eloquent speaker that's for sure man is he does a really good job presenting his points I just don't think his points are good enough let's get right to it then let's not waste time what am I actually talking about yeah well I hate to drop this on the people who just innocently watch me for my political content and don't engage in any broader Community drama some folks online have called me a pedophile crazy I know the way he says it that's insane especially because I've never even alluded to such a thing myself so anyway this is the point of it making this video now here's the thing a lot of people in the audience a lot of people in the audience like having this debate on what defines a f of pedophile and someone who is attracted to children or someone who actually acts on these inclinations and I really hate discussing this altogether um but someone has to now I don't think he's ever acted on these inclinations at least there's been no evidence of that so I would never assume that however to say that there isn't part of him that actually is somewhat attracted to children I don't think is far-fetched so that's him laying out what this video is actually about now he's going to get throughout his entire video he brings up different clips and arguments against them and explains the context so let's go let's do this mathematically video one all right here's the first clip too long now without further Ado let's get to the content we'll start with the absolute worst of it it's not this is not the worst of it by the way in my opinion this is not the worst of it monstrously stupid argument that I made way back when I first started streaming that has since haunted me and irreparably tarnished my reputation now this clip is the one one that I see cited most often when people are I think this is the most popular clip but that's not even a little surprising to me though it sounds pretty bad in fact and this is going to be a real hot take I yet to hear a convincing moral or legal argument as to why possession of child pornography should be illegal actual child pornography like I said uh pretty bad pretty bad pretty pretty pretty bad pretty bad all right so that's the clip he has never heard a moral or legal argument aside from the fact that it's illegal that's your legal argument it is illegal there's the legal argument but he's never heard a moral argument as to why child pornography should be illegal yeah and people strangely enough call him a pedophile for that anyway uh the irony is people have actually seen the entire clip this clip is from right after I started streaming so a significant portion of my career as a live streamer has been spent providing context for the clip over and over to many people and many audiences I've addressed it so many times that it's it's it's turned into like a a kind of running joke in community Remember When said that there's no moral no moral argument against against child porn it's a running joke guys you wouldn't get it you wouldn't get it you were watching him for 5 years to understand like I would you wouldn't get it like a a rake that I'm cursed to keep walking into over and over and hits me in the head yeah that God put in front of him right no you put the rake there to walk into my guy you did it you never instead bro instead of disavowing the clip he keeps responding again and again so this argument that he's making right now and he uses this throughout the video is that I made this bad clip once and yes it's a bad clip okay now every time it comes up after this is me explaining that clip so you can't count five of those times as separate times that he defended child porn because really it's all just a it's all just defending this one clip so it really only counts as one time that's the argument he's ring making right here if someone would say that to you though like it I don't think this clip really needs to be explained I think every time you explain this clip it does count as a separate time because my guy you could just say oh no that argument was [ __ ] that argument was awful I'm not defending it because it was bad and every time he does defend it it doesn't count as the same clip again it doesn't count as the same clip again and again and again because he defends it again and again and again that's my opinion all right I know that a lot of people like this argument of his specifically um but I don't I really don't every time you defend this clip is another opportunity you had to say no this clip is bad and it's awful and I have no defense for it cuz it sucks it doesn't stack I often see people outside of my community people who have seen this clip but not seen me address it mock the idea that any context that I or anyone else could provide could possibly explain way nope I see the context and it doesn't explain it away something that sounds that bad when they see me or my fans uh say that this or any other clip has been taken out of context it comes across to them as an effort to sh away legitimate suspicion you know he is trying so hard to make it look like the context explains everything and uh if only you knew the context then you would definitely understand why this clip is not so bad so we are going to go to the context of this clip we know are made with child slavery at the very least oh he he explains the argument first inextricably tied up in human suffering that both its production and possession are illegal child sexual abuse material so the ARG arent he makes to defend in this point this point that he's trying to make is the fact that child porn is not made ethically sweat shops in China that are making clothes are not made ethically so they're all equally bad here if you are okay with wearing clothes made from sweat shops then you must also be okay with child porn not that he is saying that child porn should be okay he is saying that they're both bad now the major difference here and there are a couple but one of them is that there is no ethical way to make child porn whereas there is an ethical way to make a [ __ ] shirt that's why the argument makes absolutely no sense so while he is trying to use this as some sort of gacha Epic bro debate bro brain dead moment where he's proving to the world that that people's moral compasses are skewed because you see people do enjoy uh the the appreciation of all of that my guy my dude nuck you're not being fair not looking at all the context thank you thank you Vos fan and chat appreciate you guys but uh I think that that argument makes no sense and the point is again I'm not saying that this is a clip of him trying to rationalize child porn but it does rationalize child porn and it's the fact that it keeps happening again and again and again and again you are ignor IGN ignoring half the context okay dude if we already know something that harmful should just be excised from society couldn't we do the same for products that we know are made with child slavery at the very least the parallel felt clear to me and I wanted to really drive home the hypocrisy of the people arguing against me who said you were downplaying I guess the issue with the whole child slavery intertwined in our you know economy thing so in fact and this is going to be a real hot take I've yet to hear a convincing moral or legal argument as to why possession of child pornography should be illegal actual child pornography that for a hot [ __ ] take now to clarify on this take as I feel it necessary to do so we do not in this country um typically uh uh criminalize people who have procured uh Media or resources which were the product of abuse um it is not illegal to own necklaces that have um slave diamonds or whatever what are they called um or or yeah blood diamonds yeah all of our clothes produced by sweat shops our computers the silicon and lithium M from literal [ __ ] it's the same it's the same freaking argument again and again and again it's like saying well this is made unethically that's made unethically they're the same and they're not the same and uh it's brain dead to rational I uh child porn it's while it's true that the argument that he's trying to prove here is the fact that um this is made unethically that's made unethically both equal that that's the argument he's trying to make he's trying to to freaking own you bro he's trying to own you that oh you wear a shirt well you must be into child porn got him but ultimately it does play the purpose of rationalizing a moral argument for child porn and that's what I think a lot of people have a complaint with and he admits in this video it's bad he says that it's an edgy take that goes way too far and he does a bad job okay um and it's really nice that he's saying that in this video but at in this video he's already dug his own grave he's literally he's in he's 6 feet underground trying to find a way out so obviously this is the the take he's going to be making um uh like you could here's the thing he's done this like five six times over his career making that argument and if he wouldn't have leaked his folder of Lolli porn I don't think people would have clowned on him but people wouldn't have gone this crazy it's the fact that you're right there is context to you rationalizing child pornography however do you realize that the argument rationalizes it even though the context shows that that's not the point yes the point of the statement wasn't to rationalize it but the argument that you're using does rationalize it and then it turns out you have a folder full of Loi stuff you also think that people that enjoy lli are pedophiles uh like like you realize why it looks so awful and explaining the context for your rationalization doesn't disregard the fact that you keep rationalizing it the child labor argument does not undo the fact that you rationalized this anyway uh I don't want to dwell so long on every single topic so we're going to keep going we get it we get the child labor AR argument and every vosch fan in the comment section loves sitting here and saying that oh you just don't get the context oh if you only understood the context you would look at this differently we get the context you're also rationalizing child pornography and he does so six times over his career I'm just saying I'm just saying if you rationalize it for different contexts that many times and it turns out despite the fact that thinking that Lolli porn's pedophilia that he has a folder full of it well you got to start wondering what his motives actually are is it six coincidential arguments that rationalize this horrible thing or is maybe there something else going on you know it wasn't until I brought it up in debate with vegan gains a a far far larger YouTuber that I realized how people outside of my community bub his community understood it that's all good perceived the argument P okay so uh we're about to watch a clip of him in a debate where he finally realized that wait a second this argument that I've been making about no moral or ethical argument against child porn actually looks pretty bad to people outside my community this is this is the timeline when it actually hits him that wait a second people will look at this clip and find it weird files right who buy child pornography would you say they should not be held responsible for doing that yes really even though they're directly supporting child rape yeah I think that's it's uh it's hypocritical if if I I cuz I bought my computer and the sil I love how he he thinks that no one actually understands the take everyone understands the context and he this whole video is showing o context over and over and over and over again to the same argument he's been making again and again and again bro you're making vegan gains sound normal and sane okay okay brother this is why people are uh are on your dick about this okay it's because it's a dozen times maybe not a dozen but it's many times over your career and these are only these are the ones that are clicked and that got clipped and propagated we get the argument you're making but it comes down to rationalizing something that's irrational and should not ever be discussed in a rational setting so anyway so here's him explaining the argument again in it was farmed in Africa by slaves if I can do that and that's legal and no one's going to call me out my [ __ ] then yeah I have to be consistent in that respect okay look um my moral consistency is too much I am literally far too moral and consistent I I think there's levels to this so I wouldn't equate buying a computer to buying child pornography um I mean it's in order to I love how the person the person he's debating is also a little brain dead here but the point is it is possible to make a computer ethically it is not possible to make child porn ethically the end like literally Mike drop like you can't compare this but anyway that that's again coming from the debate bro mindset like that would win me a debate with Vos okay I'm not trying to win a debate with him on the topic I'm trying to point out the fact that he's been so consistent about these stances that Saul Goodman would not want to touch this pretty much have a job anymore you need a computer uh so do you really think it's reasonable to equate something like buying something that might cause some amount of uh cruelty exploitation in the world um that you need for your job just to be able to like not be homeless to something that you're buying purely for very shallow personal pleasure that causes horrible irreparable damage to somebody uh lifelong I mean we can we can actually like partition it out I don't know how much child pornography goes on the market these days I haven't exactly checked but I'd be willing to that the uh the total amount of suffering that goes into um the the child slaves that might out like the Silicon in Africa you know in terms of me supporting that industry I mean that's pretty bad and I didn't have to buy a computer this big I could have bought something smaller I could have bought a little Chromebook um you know I wonder how many more hours see again again he's continually arguing and fighting that point see here's the thing if he would have realized that this point was bad and uh the end he could have disavowed it all these times he keeps using the argument that it's not that it's many Clips it's just one clip that he constantly defends over and over and over so it counts as one instance of him rationalizing child porn and not a a million brother brother go off Reddit for a second and recognize that you can spit Your empirical data limp dick facts all you want but ultimately it comes down to you defending something that is indefensible uh and and I get that it's the debate bro mindset but if your debate bro mindset keeps defending this point then my God just had to mine up that silicon to justify me being able to own this but but I'd go with it too clothing I wear put together by slave shop work or sweat shop workers sorry glasses like like everything and and if you wanted to Step Beyond the slavery element like all of the um anyway ridiculous argument on both sides here but that's really not the point Ellie Scrolls thank you so much for the five Subs I appreciate it all right so now he has extra context and extra context and extra context but it's all explaining the same thing in different ways and again he's a very eloquent man a very very eloquent man but brother so yeah that's the explanation for the argument like I said before it does reflect really poorly on me but it's not just that it reflects poorly on you it's that a it's a poor argument B it's something you could have disavowed for a very long time and C yes it reflects very poorly on you as a person not as a debater only in regard to my uh intelligence and character not any sort of paraphilia so here's the thing here's the that that is the point that he's literally trying to hammer home for this entire video he's saying all of the times that I've defended pornography uh child porn over the last 5 years of my career every single one of them merely reflects on me being a dumb [ __ ] it doesn't actually reflect on the fact that I find that I'm attracted to children that that's what he's saying that's what he's saying right here and that's the core of his argument throughout the entire video and again I am saying that you have two stances you could take after watching this that every single one of these various many many uh arguments that he's made for this entire video every single one of them comes down to one of two things either he was an idiot at six coincidental different times using his debate bro mindset that coincidentally defended um child porn or he's attracted to Children these are two logical explanations I just think one is much more logical than the other the clip is from very early on in my career I think the original stream VOD was actually lost with my twitch channel was first ah so it was back when he didn't vet everything he'd say and he would just say whatever he felt without wor being worried about repercussions okay so so it's it's extra sincere I would think his argument is it's much less sincere it was just arguing for the sake of being edgy not that he actually believed in anything he was saying that's his argument now again face value both might be true who knows which one is the truth I leave that to you to decide Brave commenters expand but while looking for but while that's being objective that you believe which is true I obviously do think one is more likely than the other or video context to add I ended up finding this ancient effort from a fan of mine presumably to provide context to that clip I don't know who made this I hope they're doing well none of it is yeah I agree none of it is ethical but we've already made this social decision that people are not responsible for the systems by which the stuff they own is produced we've already made that decision you're right but you're kind of revealing your power level no this is exactly what this is exactly what I [ __ ] mean I'm right I'm Reve [ __ ] ped power level because I'm right no this is a moral inconsistency in society the answer should be that all of these things are bad obviously that's the argument he's making but by making the argument that all these things are bad he is also rationalizing child pornography I'm never I never said that he's actually sitting here trying to promote the legalization of child pornography he never says that and I want that to be clear however in his arguments he always presents it as rational so not that he wants to legalize it but he presents it as rational now again this all is just a an armchair psychology session wondering what he's actually thinking inside of his Noggin so you don't know but this this is a very obvious he's obviously never actually promoting the legalization of it um even though he might personally you know be attracted to Children uh now here's the very interesting thing he skipped context in this very clip that he's providing context for uh I'm not going to go now look for every single clip he ever had but in this actual clip that he has he says that child porn is less bad than sweat shops but he actually in this same clip where he's playing the same game at the same time he says that it's less bad maybe my editor will find it in post maybe he won't I did here you go thank you an I'm objectively right on this there there are more identical the difference being of course that there are far more people caught up in the slave labor and exploitation of the developing world than there are children in rape so if anything owning child pornography is probably a hell of a lot more ethical than wearing the t-shirts on your backs right now hopefully that makes what I was doing there a little more clear even if the way I chose to do it was really really stupid okay that's his argument for clip number one the the the child porn argument uh for justifying it because sweat shops exist also and you're okay with those that's his explanation for it I personally still don't 100% buy it that's the whole context and I want everyone to know the whole context just like I know the whole context when I say that him consistently rationalizing it only to then go after uh people that are into lollip porn for being pedophiles to then being revealed to have Lolli porn is like the ultimate own if he wouldn't have done that part maybe this this defense would work maybe maybe I could give him more uh benefit of the doubt that's being super charitable all right so that's your extra context for the first clip now and the second clip and his debate with vegan gains where he also defends it all right now this next clip I think uh I think he's actually right I I think that this clip was taken out of context uh this this one we're about to see uh however I still think it's a little damning for a different reason one C ategory of disingenuous pedophilia accusation that I find particularly maddening is when they're cut from a video in which I am clearly arguing that our society has a a tendency to fetishized youth in girls and that it's bad essentially I'll say our society broadly has a serious problem fetishizing young girls and people this is the second argument we've seen the first argument that the comparison argument the second clip of his that Everyone likes taking out of context uh is the following and again I do think it's taken out of context really really badly really badly to make him look way worse however I think there are still very telltale signs of an issue being present exact thing happening live quite recently the average American man would be most attracted to which hypothetical strip club would be the most crowded if they all open tomorrow I think it would be no I think it'd be somewhere from 14 to 17 I don't think [ __ ] Okay wants to [ __ ] 14year old okay that's obviously a leap of logic on Ethan Klein's part I'm not going to say that it isn't however uh so I'm going to show you that full context of that clip cuz that clip is incredibly uncomfortable uh and we have to see the full logic before I tell you my opinion on this one specifically I'm going to I'm going to open a a a um string of strip clubs in Las Vegas it's going to be called Mr girls uh whatever you want this Mr girl guy I don't know who this fellow is but holy [ __ ] this guy seems way worse than Vos he seems so much worse but anyway and poor him okay mhm and in one strip club the strippers are 25 24 23 22 all the way down to infants it but the each strip club the worst yeah yeah we need debate Lords to have these thought experiments yeah this is good [ __ ] this is a that was sarcasm by the way this is a sovereign state so there's no laws in in each Club everyone is the same age okay so if you want to watch babies crawl around or you want to watch 100y olds we'll start at a 100 so basically everybody and and everybody on the all the women on the planet have to work here oh my [ __ ] god this question is how's this guys does this guy actually have a platform this Mr girl character this person actually exist cuz like this guy makes looked like an actual Saint like Vos should have just said oh you think I'm bad well Mr girl just show this clip and then the end okay I I just looked up Mr girl and uh I don't even find I don't even see him I just see people [ __ ] on him okay at least there's some good in society in America now which club do you think would be the most popular If This Were to open tomorrow in a sovereign state adjacent to America yeah and it's like it's you know there's every no one identities are uh there's no issues of of social ostracization nobody knows everybody's the worst F experiment child porn the the closest argument you could make there I think is from European literature from ye olden days and it seems like predation against girls spiked up around like 14 to 16 so if you could if all theer tourist yeah looking around you at America what the hell this guy's insane I want you to base this just on your um sense you know a lot of people you talk to a lot of people about this you're and you're you're and and we we all you know I haven't talked to a lot of people about this specifically I'm going to I love how he's actually entertaining this guy bro is just sitting here entertaining this question too circles but based on your observations of American humans which club is the most popular I like men straight men are going and and they're women culturally I don't think that we've done anything to appropriately discourage that kind of predatory behavior towards girls so my guess is that it would be somewhere between 14 to 17 I think that culturally one way miror the girls don't know the girls don't know that you're is it even predatory to go look at them they don't know that you're looking at them I would sayat yes it's a it's a okay it's a website where you can log in and look at locker rooms forget the slavery I would continue to believe that's predatory for much much harder type of Predator Behavior to discourage if that no one I love how this guy's saying that peeping on uh in on children is not predatory because they don't know that it's happening that's Mr girl's argument all right this guy completely [ __ ] ever know that that camera was there if you put a camera in an underage girl's locker room the police found it I assure you that they would be able to very quickly succinctly and with great confidence explain to you what you did wrong all right then I have to go take my question is which club is the most popular my question is where do you think we're at and I'm asking it in kind of a exciting way because we're in public but where do you think we're at I I I genuinely don't think that much has been done to culturally dispar the average modern guy from the attitudes that we had back in Antiquity towards women and attract towards women and what number I think it would be no I think it'd be somewhere from 14 to 17 I don't think we those are big that's a big difference I have no idea and I couldn't okay and then Mr girl sits here trying to say okay pick one age 14 15 16 or 17 and then Mr girl sits down and says I think it's actually 15 all right that I'm just summarizing the rest for you because it's actually painful anyway this clip is obviously taken very very out of context this uh very very very out of context to to basically make vaj say that most uh Americans would be attracted to 14 to 16 year olds like that that that's what vosch basically said and that's the full context now that you have the full context I do think that this is probably the most egregious situation of taking his [ __ ] out of context however comma I also think that I if someone would ask me this question I would probably say between 18 and 20 or between 18 and 24 or like some long range like that I wouldn't even begin to think that most Americans would be attracted to 14-year-olds and and he does and the fact that he thinks that is weird so while it's true this entire argument is not at all him saying that he's attracted to 14-year-olds and it's definitely been taken out of context to look worse than it is it's still coming from the perspective of a guy that thinks that most people are attracted to 14-year-olds which I think is really really weird I think that it's again the context definitely makes it better however there's the implication because most people view other people as kind of like themselves like they always expect other people to react to different situations the way that they do that's psychology 101 and it almost feels a little bit projection for him to sit here and say that because society never made it really look so weird now suddenly Society is making it seem like there is a really weird implication here that I do think is uh is worth noting and so yes this definitely explains context however it does almost look a little bit projection it looks a bit self-reporting LLY talking about uh widespread social failure to address prevent or discourage predation against young girls nothing about my language even remotely implies that I'm describing my own preference yeah so this is the argument he is just talking from a social perspective uh this is his self thesis that he is writing uh he is nii sanji's legal team right now that finds themselves innocent all right where he says that looking at this clip I never say that this is my feeling however I think that if you asked almost anybody the same question of what do you think the average uh American adult what age do you think the average American adult is attracted to I think almost all of them would say early 20s if I just that would be my knee-jerk reaction all right not even talking about mil lovers out there but I do think that that's like probably the major take I I think that's what most people would say uh I find it weird that he thinks 14 like again I think there has to be some level of projection going on for him to think that or this is just his very nuanced uh objective take on American society again in these clips it proves one of two things either he's a debate Lord and uh he makes stupid arguments a lot or is attracted to Children you literally have these same two possibilities for all of them now again if it wasn't for the consistency I don't think uh I don't think we'd be sitting here to but anyway that's clip three and I do think this one is taken really out of context also this cuties film uh the clip four is the cuties film one and this one I didn't even see brought up like there are so many worse ones all right arent [ __ ] me dude that is bad that is really really really [ __ ] bad holy [ __ ] if the original movie actually comments on child sexualization that would be like a movie about child sex trafficking and the poster is like a pinup picture of a 14-year-old girl with a black eye or something holy [ __ ] I can't I can't even begin to describe how tactless that is what's the takeaway from this one like I don't know don't do that Netflix I don't even know this is like um this is unfathomable to me does anyone else get the feeling that like men at least in the west are kind of like taught to be kind of a little pedophile a little bit with how much we're fetishizing young girls does anyone else kind of get that feeling a little bit just a smidge possibly not like every guy's a pedophile and I don't believe that but like the way we hyper fetishize youth for girls is do we do that do we really do that sneo punching the air right now but do we do that I don't have that feeling I don't think that we do that at all so so here's the thing yes you're right again I'm I'm saying this literally again yes you're right this video is him going against cuties this video is him saying that Netflix is [ __ ] for making a movie like cuties you're right the argument argument Rock Solid I agree with the vosch take that Cuties is horrible however it's in his in his words in his terminologies in the way he he talks about this stuff it really sounds weird it really sounds awful every single time we fetishize children a lot like what does that even mean oh my God so so here's the thing we're getting all the context here okay I don't want to ever cover this guy again to be honest unless we H get 10,000 likes and I'll watch the voses unironically video talking about his political takes believe that but like the way we hyper every go to be else get or something holy [ __ ] I can't I can't even begin to describe how tactless that is what's the takeaway from this one like I don't know don't do that Netflix I don't even know this is like um this is unfathomable to me does anyone else get the feeling that like men at least in the west are kind of like taught to be kind of a little pedophile for fetishizing young girls does anyone else kind of get that feeling a little bit no I don't get that feeling at all if you get that feeling maybe it's because either it comes from the the massive brain debate bro god tier intellect perspective looking at an objective cringe in the United States or he's attracted to Children again it's the same two points every time and yes this rest of this clip and segment defending this clip is him showing how cuties is bad but he think thinks it's a systemic issue in the actual United States we get it same argument again however you want saying this stuff okay all right clip five let's just go we don't need to over explain this we already explained this in clip four clip five uh his painfully cringey joke fortunately all right next clip we've all jerked at to L at some point or another we have at some point in our lives been going [ __ ] crazy on some hentai site and we've been [ __ ] stroking as hard and fast as we can and then after we nut we go back look over our history chat and we go like uh oh jeez oh boy some of these girls looks pretty young yeah this one definitely sounds rougher than the last two clips uh but I've never had that issue personally where uh I'm jerking off because I'm attracted to something and then I'm like oh my God I just realized I did something illegal no no we we haven't we haven't done that it's uh you know it's a bit it's a joke a bad joke I can explain it I don't think that'll make it any funnier uh the intended comedy element the intended comedy element was in fact the post-nut clarity of it all of an indiscriminate Whirlwind masturbator being used to draw attention to a problem that problem being the ubiquity of loyon in hentti sites yeah that that's a problem right don't don't check his taxes folder but that's a problem guys did you get the joke guys did you get the joke did you get the joke guys it the way it the way it pointed towards the ubiquity bro the ubiquity has me rolling right now I I I I don't really know how anyone could get like a serious vibe from that like there's any kind of like you know Grave Point being made you see he's being serious now because he's staring into your soul while he's speaking again it's not a funny joke at all I mean I cringe looking at it it's great evidence against me if the point that people are trying to make is that I was or indeed still am cringe so oh oh that's that's the point that people are making no I think the point that people are making is that uh it seems like from all these tapes that you are attracted to children I I think you should be arrested purely on the unfun of that joke alone however however uh you see the the the real comedy aspect is the fact that you have so many of these clips I have never made that joke because I've never jerked it to Lolli porn you can't realize their loli after the fact like it's not like post nut Clarity kicks it and you're like oh [ __ ] it's a child that doesn't make sense to anyone that isn't attracted to that I'm just saying I don't know unless maybe maybe he was P again two sides of this coin maybe it was just a bad joke also maybe he's attracted to children so a point to their favor on that one I guess another thing leftist have pushed is the idea that pedophilia is just another sexual orientation citation needed like being gay or straight oh my go stop discrimination citation needed it's time to be more tolerant of demons who feed on kids I do take issue with the moral outrage here child sexual abuse is widely underreported it's huge problem it's incredibly damaging to the psyche of young people and as they grow older it can lead to many negative mental health consequences ready for the good however however ready stigmatizing pedophilia to the extent that we are calling them demons probably discourages pedophiles people who feel attraction towards children from getting the help they could need to keep themselves from abusing children I was thinking of a different clip but okay increasing the likelihood of child sexual abuse do not demonize pedophiles demonize child sexual abuse and encourage pedophiles to get help now if you've got pedophiles who have never uh sexually abused a child but they're advocating for it they're like yeah I've never done it but is there anything really that wrong with lowering the age of consent to 13 then of course [ __ ] him like [ __ ] shut him up just [ __ ] smack him but by and large statistically speaking there are 370 people watching right now I'd be willing to bet that at least 20 or 30 of them experience habitual sexual attraction towards children it's surprisingly common I think the fact that he thinks it's so common is so scary see here's the thing when when it turns out that someone's a pedophile I freak out cuz I can't even relate like I can't relate I I have a I have a couple hundred people in my chat right now if You' have asked me how many people in your chat do you think are pedophiles I would have said I don't know probably none one I I don't know again I don't think this is his most daming clip to those of you but he thinks that 30% of his audience are pedophiles to an extent that you feel is though uh it may be like a problem please just get some [ __ ] help my dude there's nothing wrong with you as a person we can't help the [ __ ] that we're into we can help our actions there's nothing feels weird man about this you can't help the I I don't even fully disagree with this take that if you are feeling that way you should just get therapy like I fine but the fact that he thinks that 30% of his audience are pedophiles is weird you're into if you realize you're like 20 years old that you have a thing for kids what the [ __ ] do you do commit [ __ ] sodoku do you just stop existing right then and there do you toss all right we get it we get the clip we get I think it's phrased a little weird because I just wasn't experienced at streaming back then but yeah the message seems fine as I understand it uh encouraging pidos to go to therapy is like mathematically the most effective way see I don't even disagree with this take specifically it's just it's the mindset it's the Mind behind the take that's so weird and I I think that like he's addressing each one of these clips from like a a logic standpoint proving how these clips don't actually make him admit to being a pedophile it's just the fact that he keeps making these arguments and having the he has the mindset that well lots of people are attracted to kids I wouldn't say that I wouldn't think that anyway uh we move on to the next clip because he defended himself very very well here I think that this clip out of context does look bad than worse than it should be however however he is still of the Mind set that 30% of his audience are pedophiles and the pedophiles are literally all over the place okay this next clip is probably one of his worst to be honest but all right enough with the clips that are easy for me to defend let's address the clip that I see second most often it's probably my least favorite one because it is so stupid and so unnecessary oh it's so bad this this one you're about to see so bad this is the one that made me uh made me think that this guy maybe potentially should be uh checked uh by the FBI bad Optics of it aren't even oh shut up with bad Optics bro the Optics aren't the problem here the problem is you're normalizing something evil You're normalizing Something cruel and vindictive and and that shouldn't exist and you're giving people a moral way to defend their horrible actions that's the issue here from the argument that I was trying to make here enjoy the terrible clip please please right now uncuck your dumb [ __ ] libcuck [ __ ] sjw brains all right he's making it as clear as he possibly can are you ready and recognize this empirically correct fact that I am about to spit he is about to spit an empirically correct fact everybody I hope you're ready hold on to your seat bels it is possible for an adult and a child to have a sexual relationship and for it to have positive outcomes on the child as well that is possible man look at how that's a pretty bad that's that's a pretty bad clip guys un unzip your dumb [ __ ] libcuck Minds while I spit this empirically correct fact at you right now if you murder a child and rape the corpse there will not be any uh mental issues to come from that they will have no PTSD when I rap their corpse un unzip your dumb [ __ ] cuck liberal sjw cuck Minds like bro everyone could cook but not everyone should cook that's what I'm saying anyway he's about to explain this clip and it in my opinion doesn't make it that much better look at how cool and logical I am calling people libcucks for having the audience yeah yeah that's what they're canceling you for calling People lip cucks good got him got him got him capacity to take issue with anything that I'm saying there my IQ must be massive the way I'm willing to and and this is the chair okay this is painful I I I have to stop him right now all right you're you're about to get the actual context for the clip stop calling yourself cringe bro that's not what that's not the allegations see I get the cringe allegations I get canceled on Twitter once once a week for getting cringe for being cringe okay you don't get canceled for being cringe adult and a child to have a sexual relationship and for it to have positive outcomes on the child as well that is possible however categorically we discourage those relationships because as a rule it is substantially more likely that enabling them would cause harm in Society that's the difference between act and Rule utilitarianism ah he's explaining the difference between act and Rule utilitarianism and he's using it in a way to justify having sex with children okay cool an act utilitarian would say oh this is an instance where it was good for the adult and the minor to have sex that would make it a good action but the rule utilitarian which is what I am would say even though that individual outcome was good it was good that outcome was good not just did it not have negative effects but that individual outcome that having sex with a child that was a good action the Act was still bad because in general in a broader application for adults and children to have sex with one another leads to horribly destructive outcomes sometimes it's bad too sometimes it's not bad for the child sometimes it is bad for the child for that reason it is an unethical act okay so look at that whoever cut this clip ended it right before I said but it's very very disingenuous of Vos to do this because everyone's seen the context for these clips and he makes believe that showing the context validates his points when in actuality it really doesn't now he's going to go on a whole ramble talking about the argument he was trying to make and how he didn't really understand rule utilitarianism and and act utilitarianism and all that [ __ ] um however uh he literally does this the the utilitarianism argument he explains it for the whole time I think everyone with a brain cell understands the argument that he's actually trying to say uh so so therefore we are actually going to sit here for for a little moment uh and and talk about the actual clip for a second because again even with the context I think it's important to recognize the other side of the story no I don't think it's possible for a child and and and an adult to have a sexual relationship where it has positive consequences on the child I don't think that's true I don't even think that it's an example I would use for ACT utilitarianism or rule utilitarianism like positive outcomes of having sex with children is not going to be my go-to example of uh rule utilitarianism I cannot think of a single positive outcome in fact so using this as an entire argument to ex yes you're right he is using that not to say that it's okay he's using it to say and explain the differences between different types of utilitarianism you know what fine debate bro mind however this is once again another instance of somehow validating having sex with children like again again the you realize that the point you're you're trying to make and the way you try to make the point are two separate things you're right the point you're trying to make is not legalizing having sex with children but the way you go about making this point is giving a rationale to having sex with children giving a moral defense to people that have sex with children it's horrible it's awful and I really want to stress this a lot because you see here's the thing that I've been saying until now we went through seven Clips these were seven clips of him rationalizing pedophilia you're right they were all done in different ways none actually admitting that he himself is attracted to children and all of these different instances are are to prove different debate bro arguments however every single one of them ends up roundabout Le giving moral Credence to pedophilia which again is really really weird it's really weird and now again you can have two two perspectives here either you have seven different coinci idal moments seven different coincidental moments of him defending this stuff for for totally separate random uh debate bro arguments and stupid arguments yes however it's also possible that there is another side to this that's really really weird especially as we get into the later parts of this video so that was the seven Clips he defended um aside from other clips of him being creepy and and all that stuff but we'll leave that for another time and notice he completely skipped all of that uh the weird Beast ailia stuff that he's been getting harassed for as well yeah unfortunately for me my presence online dates uh back way farther than the creation of my channel which means people interested in finding examples of me saying stupid [ __ ] have a pretty wide range of material to choose from before I had a Channel or was even known as vosch I was a frequent and notorious [ __ ] poster in in the community of a streamer called Destiny yes sir I know that's why I am the way I am uh I had been okay his community for a long time really long and I really enjoyed the uh edgy irreverent debate Lord culture of his Discord server yeah so let's look at some of the stupid edgy irreverent [ __ ] I said six years ago there that people have since screenshotted out of context and pursuit of calling me a pedophile so this is a perfect example of context being maliciously stripped from a screenshot in order to make me look bad even though I'm right and uh I'm it's not even controversial you know I'm uncontroversially right I hope the conversation was about me yeah again so as for all these different Discord screenshots it's literally dozens of Discord screenshots I [ __ ] un ironically hot right like uh every single one looks bad the way I see the age of consent exists out of respect for the numerous power imbalances older people and younger people as for those imbalances or at least some of them are redressed through the ages of socialism the age of consent should therefore be lowered which is like a lot of these takes are just absolutely unhinged what did pedos ever do to you hilar hilarious yeah oh god oh that's that's funny oh yeah Salem pedophile trials okay all right all right we got lots of that what's wrong with the Lolli bot true this is where I come my professors never to talk about pedophile sex bots true that's why you're in the in this Discord server okay he has a lot a lot of of these weird Discord leaks and I myself not exactly been the most positive towards vosch I don't think these trying to be edgy rhetorical moments necessarily speak that much about him as a person so I don't think that I do think these screenshots out of context look horrible and no one should ever type that [ __ ] however I am willing to accept accept the argument that a lot of this was meant for rhetoric and debate Lord [ __ ] and not actually um I would give him the benefit of the doubt on this one it's but it's the amount of stuff altogether that that I think really spells a different picture all right moving on the taxes folder this next segment of the video is explaining how he uh he saves porn on his computer he is literally making an entire segment of the video talking about how he actually does save porn on the computer and when he sees something that's hot he saves it and it goes to his basic folder so after all that now we we finally arrive uh at this most recent drama the incident that l a fire it's not really drama but okay under drama YouTube and is to my mind the only thing I've done in the past four years that actually actually looks bad it's pretty [ __ ] he doesn't even think he doesn't even think everything else looks bad oh god brother you went through this saying how the arguments look bad and the arguments didn't hold water and all that stuff this is the only one that looks bad embarrassing to say the least so there I was uh streaming a few weeks ago browsing a men's fashion site I wanted to look at an image more closely so I right clicked to open the image in a new window uh but then accidentally instead clicked the save as Tab and the right click drop- down menu uh now because I am as has been extensively demonstrated in this video a [ __ ] idiot my preferred the idiot defense strategy for keeping my desktop clean is to keep a single big folder called to be sorted where every image document music file whatever I happen to download get sent this I'll be honest he he spends like this whole time explaining like why he accidentally leaked it that he has everything in the folder so if you ever save as it opens up the folder it shows all the [ __ ] inside and all that [ __ ] [ __ ] inside is all evil and he has porn in there and all that okay whatever uh again no one cares about that you are making this a big deal and no one cares about the uh your practices in porn saving first of all who the [ __ ] downloads porn okay but second of all uh no one cares about that literally no one cares that that's not the argument that anyone's been making against you that that you leaked porn on stream it's what the porn was Monster GF sh so so here he explains exactly his porn tastes you see the fact that he had a lot of uh lollies in his porn folder getting [ __ ] by Orcs and horses and [ __ ] guys you don't understand it's because he's attracted to big dicks of the like furry demon monster GF big dick porn stuff I knew I had in there you know I I rambled about liking all that stuff on stream before not a secret and I thought you know maybe in a way this [ __ ] up would come across kind of charming you know that's my streamer that [ __ ] idiot right there my community was already making a big joke of it by the time I went live again of course I knew as soon as the folder opened on stream that it would be pretty easy for people to lie about what it contained to stir up drama or cause me trouble or or any other reason lie about what it contained they actually found the clips that they they found the stuff that you had saved they literally found the you saved it from cuz you downloaded it from like the doru like the furry porn website and um it literally had the same tags in the actual file names they reverse searched it I will never show it to you uh because I will get immediately banned um there's nothing to lie about bro there were loles there lots of them and this is coming from the guy that says that called rev says Desu a pedo Lord the guy that says that anyone that's in thees is a pedophile that that's this guy that has a folder full of lollies when later on in that not to mention the horses stream one or two people came to chat and they said uh Hey There was loli in there and you know I figured they were just causing trouble and I banned them of course yeah you banned them cuz they were just being Whipper Snappers in the chat they were just being little little Whipper Snappers oh causing trouble so I banned them little chuckle we know where this is going uh by the next I had learned from what felt like the entire godamn internet he leared he was then taught that the stuff he had downloaded was llies he didn't actually know two of the images in my folder preview window uh two of the images in the folder preview window where you have thousands more images statistically speaking you probably have hundreds okay but two that were at least found by the people we're actually from a well-known laon artist and therefore definitely intended to be Lolly [ __ ] that was their that was the artist's intention but you see artist subjective my subjective take is that they didn't look like LLY at all the only reason why I'm led to believe that they might be potentially loli is because the artist was a lollycon bro they showed the images on Twitter if you don't think that they're lollies you're brain dead you are brain dead dude I prefer the the take to say that loli [ __ ] isn't bad than the take to say I didn't know it was L's like brother and his defense that he originally said by the way which he doesn't include he does not include in his video is uh the the really good defense of I thought it was like goblin porn which first of all what and second of all bro they weren't green you say they were short stacks but they were not stacked in anywhere they were the children this argument is absolute [ __ ] I I do think that a lot of the explaining context until here like while his points were like well said and all that stuff dude this is this is the worst sub take I've ever heard in my life there's no one on the planet can actually think that these are short stack thick goblins which has to be the worst possible way to find out about that sort of thing yeah yeah you found out that's when you found out I mean this reminds me of the clip that he has a little earlier in his video so I'm going to bring it up one more time because I think that this this becomes a lot more real right now this is what I mean this situation of the whole uh the loli folder getting leaked for me it was more more of a spotlight on everything he said until here than the actual situation itself all right next clip we all jerked at the at some point or another we have at some point in our lives been going [ __ ] crazy on some HTI sight and we've been [ __ ] stroking as hard and fast as we can and then after we nut we go back look over our history chat and we go like oh jeez it's uh you know it's a bit it's a joke a bad joke so his defense for that one is it's a joke but this is this is what I've been saying this entire time if it was one of these clips if it was two of these clips if it was even the leaking the Lolly [ __ ] people would not go this crazy it it what each case individually you're right it there is some explicable way to give a uh a shred of evidence to prove without a shadow of a doubt that it is possible to write away but it adds up it adds up it's all the breadcrumbs together that makes the cake okay bro for me that's that's the damning part your honor send him to the shadow realm 1,000 years no lawyers no trial dungeon Thousand Years easy for people to lie about yeah we saw this part not really an accusation but also that I must have known uh that they were loyon and saved them because they were loyon now the obvious and predictable but nonetheless true response from me is that no I didn't know that and [ __ ] [ __ ] listen you could explain away all these [ __ ] points you want you can't look at those images and not realize their lollies there is no world on Earth that you could see those images this is just a lie he is lying to us right now no no matter how many people everyone in chat and everyone in my comment section that literally says nuck you didn't give the benefit of the doubt you were bad faith he was bad faith first this is a lie a flat out lie emphasis on flat bro I saw the folder you it was explored on Twitter they found the images that were saved there [ __ ] [ __ ] you are going to sit here and tell me that the obvious answer is I didn't realize it was loli not have been the uh impression I got from those two drawings because if I had gotten that impression then I wouldn't have saved them he says it like it's super obvious as like if I knew it was Loi I didn't I wouldn't have saved them so I obviously didn't know it was Loi holy [ __ ] you know I mean drawings are abstractions and art styles and body dude he's and and then he literally goes down to explaining the uh the art artist subjective [ __ ] proportions very massively even for characters that are unambiguously adults that in my defense I uh I jerk off with my glasses off so I couldn't even see what I was jerking off to like bro I download porn without looking at it first in my defense it's it's I don't download the porn I have a manager he downloads porn to my computer for me I don't even I don't even [ __ ] look at it I've never even seen it before doesn't mean Lolly [ __ ] isn't a thing or a problem I've bitched about it being a problem like a lot on yeah you call people pedophiles if they uh approve of Lolly [ __ ] um which is why when you have a thing of Lolly [ __ ] it's really [ __ ] weird to say the least and then you add it on top of the backs of all these other Clips rationalizing pedophilia for one reason or another it makes it even weirder dream it just means that carelessly or inattentively the demon is AOW isn't exactly impossible yeah I I know what some people are going to say you know no uh you must have known there's no way you didn't know and like what am I going to do make a fing evidentiary argument here no you cannot make any argument there is no argument you could make I think he realizes that he there is no argument that could possibly be made here so he's just going to say that well you could say that no there's no way you didn't know it's like what am I going to do prove how can I prove my intentions sorry dog you're right you can't prove your intentions your intentions are very known to everyone you constantly talk about how how um the ethics behind um child porn are not that clearcut to be illegal you talk about constantly how you think most Americans are attracted to 14-year-olds okay uh even though it's not obviously admitting for yourself I don't think it's a leap to say that when you downloaded Lolli porn you meant to download Lolli porn you know like I'm not putting up the images so we can argue about the the pixels or the proportions or whatever I think you should I think you should have done that I think you should have gone crazy you should have just taken the images put them in the video and be like this is clearly an adult I I know fully well that like 99.9% of people who have heard about this drama haven't seen the images nor do I think those people I've seen the images they were circulating on Twitter because they actually found they tracked down the actual images that were in your folder should go looking for them obviously so it's pretty much entirely why obviously you didn't even know they were lollies take me at my word or don't kind of situation I don't I don't for me this is the most disingenuous part uh I didn't I wasn't planning on actually doing some sort of commentary to this entire Saga until this part of the video and then I decided yep okay where people are AFE to lie about the drawings or as I've already seen on Twitter just post other really badl looking [ __ ] and say that's what I had in my folder this is such a strong man argument because some other guy post one person on Twitter one person on Twitter um posted something else and said BOS probably had this in his folder and he showed the [ __ ] horse panel from berserk uh and he's like people are lying about it you probably didn't even see the real ones it's not even nearly as bad as people are saying that it is I saw the real ones they're bad they're awful okay I'm sorry I don't I do not stand for disingenuity I I hate I hate that so much the the manipulative word vomit that that is coming out of his mouth right now this is a lie he's lying to us um the end and he keeps going for a long time uh he makes his whole final thoughts wrapping it up where he his conclusion is that he is not a pedophile which is pretty pretty based pretty P it's like nii Sanji saying that we've consulted our legal team and our legal team has told us that we in fact are legally in the right uh and then he has uh a closing thoughts for his audience saying thank you for supporting me and all that [ __ ] this is the video the big response video with all the context because people were literally uh jumping down my throat in my comments to my last video [ __ ] on this entire situation um telling me that I needed to see the context instead of just laugh at the chaos so we did our laughing at the chaos saw all the [ __ ] context this is my opinion I could be wrong again I want to make it completely and utterly clear that it is possible to have two art two conclusions here conclusion one the seven clips and the 30 out of context Discord messages and the folder of Lolli porn despite the fact that it keeps talking about how everyone that likes loles is a pedophile all of that can be dozens of coincidences and different opportunities that he had to make arguments that he personally does not believe in even though he he showed all of that with different context to prove different points whether it's to prove bad Ethics in sweat shops or it's to prove the difference between rule utility arianism or act utilitarianism or whether it's to go forward and explain the the social issues in America and how people are attracted to cuties probably and uh to continue explaining all that stuff and how he probably didn't notice that the lollies were actually lollies you know what you could make that argument it is possible that these are just 57 different coincidences that happened that all happen to be some sort of justification now or again for child porn that is one possible conclusion you could take away from this the other possible conclusion is that vosch is attracted to children now you could take either of these paths I leave it open to you to decide with all of the context which you think is more likely thank you so much for being here thank you for enjoying we uh we looked into the abyss and the abyss stared back uh I've been doing a lot of deep dives into different internet situations so if you like me doing that and getting hate for it definitely leave a like And subscribe um we will now make it stop and go do drugs together stay weird fam like subscribe and this video was streamed live on kick.com nuu Andor see you there stay weird Bab

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Published: Thu Feb 22 2024