From 300lbs to Ironman -- How Charlie Jabaley Completely Transformed His Life

everybody I'm rich roll I'm your host this is my podcast welcome to it got a great guest for you guys today Charlie Jabba lay yesterday how you doing doing amazing this guy has an amazing story how you are like 304 pounds 304 pounds only like nine months ago training for an Ironman right now completely changed his life it's an unbelievably inspirational story and I can't wait to share with you guys what we talked about today we talked about reversing brain tumors we talked about tumor we talked about quantum physics energy and we talked about how I use quantum physics to meet you it was a great talk and I talked about eating live plants yes is it dead or alive because I was dying literally and I was eating a whole bunch of dead food and then when I changed it eating living food I started living and my brain tumor started shrinking and you found your purpose in life I did so it's a conversation about life purpose changing your life transformation and the unique potential that I think lives and resides within all of us to unlock and unleash a better more authentic more fully actualized version of ourselves that's right so tune in perfect guest for the new year and kickstart your January and gets you in the right frame of mind mindset tackle your goals and unleash that beast within yourself right superhero cool so I hope you guys enjoy it leave a comment below let us know what you thought and you sound good dude you ready to do this Charlie's in the house man get some good energy you're gonna get it it's gonna be awesome dude I can't wait to like share your story it's so powerful Thank You Man it's cool to have you here you know the history of this is pretty funny man you are like peppering me with emails for a long time I was like who is this guy eventually I just I just got worn out but also like your story seemed cool and we connected and I was like wow it's pretty powerful I think what you've what you've accomplished what you've what you've had to face the obstacles you've had to overcome and and kind of where you find yourself now so let's break it down dude thank you what do you want to start with me bothering you because when I moved here I was like Idol eyes you obviously like you really you really do have like some serious disciples and like me moving to California and and and following your story it was like um man I have to know this guy like I just have to and I I told you a little bit about it Oh after we met I called you and Heather like tell you like the story but the I in my notebook I'll show you a picture in my notebook I um I wrote down a draft board like you know NBA teams or any sports team they draft who they want right on their team and I was like here's a draft board and you'll you'll see your name right there boom I see I took a picture of it like as a ritual I've got a draft rich roll into my life hold on looking like so weight lost motivation yes yeah yeah and this was this was September right so I was still like I was I was I was just I was just a fan and I boom I wrote you down in my notebook and then I got a DM and just the next week from this this kid named Roberto language Mexican kid and I he's like I'm in Venice like let's link up and I'm mentoring a whole lot of people and I'm like just a guy who is like on your radar what's I don't get it he just he just found me he I guess he knew somebody that knew me and he told him about me and he deemed me so he came over to my house and I just was I tell everybody what I'm excited about I'm like really excited about like rich role because like I want to be a vegan endurance athlete as well and and this is a week after the draft board he said oh I crashed on rich rolls couch a couple years ago want me to connect to an email with him I was like yes I was like that's it I wrote it down and boom now the opportunity is real the universe conspired to like make it happen man is rule yeah and then you told me Nestor I was like Roberto who's that and we have so many people that like pass through our house and crash on our cat we're always like taking in strays but then I was like he was the guy who was riding his bike doing some kind of global bike adventure right and I remember that he stayed at our house for a night or two that's right yeah that's cool and we were able to connect the dots man and here we are we got together there's told me a little bit about your story you shared with me a draft of this video that I hope you'll let me share maybe we didn't even share the audio of it in the intro lead up to this podcast because it's really powerful and I kind of really compact fully you know concisely kind of shares this adventure that you're on but it's inspiring man I think for me you know people ask me all the time you know who are your favorite guests like who are some of your favorite interviews and of course it's like well you're asking me to choose amongst my babies like I love everybody that I have on or I wouldn't have them on hmm but I think the people that really stand out is special for me or when I can shine a light or put a microphone in front of somebody who's an individual that perhaps isn't necessarily a public figure or somebody that everybody knows or that has a book out or something like that just somebody who's had to face and overcome like unbelievable obstacles and struggles in their life to to persevere and and and I find a lot of power and hope and inspiration in those stories and it's it's personally cool for me when I find somebody like that and I get to share their message so I kind of you're you're you're an extraordinary individual I don't consider you like an everyman type person by any stretch of the imagination but I think your story in the context of health is something that a lot of people can relate to and and hopefully we'll be able to find their own strength in your trials and tribulations and and victories thank you and that's why I appreciate you so much for having me on because like I always had this romantic relationship with a million dollars like you know like that thought like a million dollars and then through my transformation I formed a different type of relationship with the word a million and like I'm on a life mission now I want to I want to transform a million people's lives and like you have an audience that that wants like they create because you are that story like you were the one that got away and people need so bad like you're the one who got away like society like I heard this story I love this story so much rich it was about a golden buddha and in thailand there was this village and they all prayed to this this buddha and this opposing army was approaching the village and they covered the buddha in clay and rocks so they didn't want the other army to think it was valuable so they covered it and this opposing army poses a threat for many many years and generation after generation in this village they forgot that this buddha was golden and one day a boy went and sat on it on his lap and it chipped and cracked and he looked down at it and he saw his gold and he ran and got his friend and they peeled it all off and they saw that this this this buddha was was gold and I think that's how like people like you and and and stories like what I aspire to be as well is that when we're young we hate we're golden and then society and the rules that everybody makes starts plastering us and then people like me and you we get cracked at some point in our life and then that makes us realize that we can see the golden again and then we take off everything that society built on top of us like with our careers and with alcohol or with food and the stresses and just what everybody told us we should do with our lives but when we hit that rock bottom and we get cracked we can see we're golden again and and I I admire you so much because you gave us hope that we can get away too so thank you well I appreciate that I think you're giving me a little bit too much credit but that's a beautiful analogy and and you did the work man you did the work and and I'm excited to you know share what that was all about so let's take it back to the beginning southern boy southern boy growing up maybe not in the best of circumstances like what was it like um love my family so much um never knew that we did without my parents they they they worked hard mom's old vacuum cleaners father was a carpenter and a mechanic and was a played the bass and a blues band and I always had a dream I want to be an athlete I know I was it like I loved basketball I studied every move read every Michael Jordan book like you name it so it was it was Michael Jordan was her guy Michael Jordan Allen and then then it went to Allen Iverson and it was just like basketball was my life I played 24 hours a day but no matter how much I played like I never could like lose weight like I was a chubby kid I was I was the fat kid who loved basketball it's like a conflict of interest and I just wasn't like everybody else like when we they would play like shirts for skins I hated that oh my god cuz like if I got picked for skins it would be like I'd have to drop out like cuz I'm I'm not I'm too embarrassed or take myself over you at this point this was between like eight and eleven like like this is those years and then as I got into like that twelve that middle school I was like I need something to be good at you know when you want girls to like you and just like you're getting to that age it's like you got to be good at something those guys play sports and they're good those guys can dance those guys are attractive and I'm like none of those so I'm like alright I'm I'm gonna be CEO Charlie writes like I'm gonna business so wasn't I mean a lot of those guys turn to comedy right like that's the that's the other route you can pursue right you're gonna which isn't like when you're that age it's like is that the sexy thing to do to get girls I don't know well you know like I've always had a gift to see like where culture was going like at that time it was cool to be a thug right but I knew you're you're like outside Atlanta or like I mean I'm in Atlanta DeKalb County um mmm I grew up mixed like most of my friends growing up were black there were a couple white guys you know Mexican like it was a very mixed area where I lived and which ended up being a huge advantage for me that I got to experience that like I got to learn all different types of people from day one which led to my career you know which was a good thing and a bad thing so I became CEO Charlie and I was like you just start calling yourself that people started calling me that like in middle school because I like I always had a business every year was like a different business and I like war Sood and instead of a backpack I had a briefcase like I took it serious like this is me like like I knew in culture like where I was going next like I knew like business was cool and now you see it like with Shark Tank I'm like Gary Vaynerchuk and that's how Gary last night he said hey by the way you did you saw Gary last night yeah oh yeah yeah I was just gonna say you had a little you know you had a little Gary Vee hustle going on I think youngster exactly so um so ya got good at business and I buried the dream like like Yahoo a dream that athlete's dream which is the truest dream because that's what I wanted without instinctively that wasn't a dream I chose that's just what I wanted instinctively business is what I chose to to kind of cover that up so um business got good I got fast forward a few years I started a music business 18 19 years old and I was just just telling your camera guy I was the camera guy like that's how I got started out Soulja Boy's cameraman and I dropped out of college to become his cameraman I like like I remember my mom only wanted one thing she said get your college degree whatever like she always knew I did business but she said just get your degree and my first year of college like my business was doing kind of good and I found out that if you within the first two weeks at community college like you can sign up for the class and they'll mail your parents that you signed up but if you cancel the class you can cancel within the first two weeks and they don't send a notice home so so you're buying time so it's also like I dropped out of classes and I'm like I basically lost my scholarship so the second year I had to pay for school and I went up to the school and I was just like frustrated I remember like it was just like how am i doing this I know I'm so much better than this paid for my books and everything and then I left and then I got a call from Interscope Records and they said there's this artist that is a fan of your work his name is Soulja Boy and he wants you to go on tour with him and be his full-time cameraman oh wow alright we're done and what had you done to date like you were you had done some work for him and the past or was there other stuff online that he had seen like how did you get on his radar to begin with I built a website like a hip-hop website like all my friends started doing music and I built this media outlet form and in Atlanta like it became the website for hip-hop in Atlanta and I was running it out of my mom's basement and I had basically the whole Underground Atlanta hip-hop scene like coming through my mom's house like it was it was it was it was crazy times so if you wanted to know what was going on in hip-hop in Atlanta that was the site that people worked out - that was a site like I would feature artists on the website and then like record labels would call the artists the next day anybody I featured record labels would call the artists would call me and they're like Warner Brothers called me or Atlanta called me and they not feature another artist and they would just call everybody who I featured and so the website was big and then one soldier boy blew up he was like that's who I want to be my guy hmm so you had a that's actually a more almost a more interesting decision than the college versus Soulja because you're building this website that could have turned into like a pitchfork or something like that for hip-hop right yes so you had to you had to like walk away from that in order to take a full-time gig a little bit um it helped it helped the website because it built my credibility um but it was it was tough because my servers servers back then were way more expensive than they are now and it was like costing me money and I wasn't getting paid much from Soulja Boy and long story short I went back up to the school give me money so my mom gave me her blessing she said when doors open you gotta walk through them and and that's what I did I ended up getting fired six months later and that hurt apparently I wasn't a good employee because well most most hardcore entrepreneurs are right yeah they have a hard time working for other people yeah but maybe you need that you need to have that experience to figure that out right my rock bottom then was like oh man we can't pay the bills like it was tough like I basically had to close down my website because I couldn't afford it anymore it was popular but it wasn't generating revenue and then I remember I told my mom I'm gonna get in to management that's where the money is she said what do you know about management I thought nothing but i'ma figure it out because that's where the money is and I signed this girl group and they were young they were like they were they were like like like Nickelodeon hip-hop like it was like they were awesome and I got him a record deal in 24 hours because Interscope Records loved me like they knew I knew marketing it's our God on this record deal and three months later they left me for a huge like industry manager they were like yeah well we can't have a 18 year old manager I'm like I'm like I just keep falling on my face like anyways so business was interesting reason Apple thing to say though right kind of yeah I mean I get it but at the same time you were delivering exactly like yeah it was but they didn't make it so it was you know if they stuck with me they would have yeah you know it's rare to find somebody who will take a bullet for you mmm like when times are bad and there's no money being made and that's almost more valuable than then experience mmm because you know times get bad yeah yeah yeah but you have proof of concept here you were able to get you know drum up a record deal in no time so you realize like hey there's something here to pursue mm-hmm and I found another group got right back up signed another group and it took off and we did I drove I like really wanted I had to make it work and I told him I was like their name is Travis Porter and I told him I said just be loyal please I'm gonna do everything were living in their mom's house I was living in my mom's house and they stuck with me we had three top ten records in the country and then we got so hot we we dominated Atlanta and then that's when I was able to approach 2 Chainz and in like I had to convince him because I was like young and my business partners were like we were all just like rejects like we just we weren't the superstar managers and he had been around artists like Ludacris and Lil Wayne his whole career and we're like we want to manage you and he just laughed at us and maybe explained for people that are listening who don't know that much about hip-hop who to who to changes so 2 Chainz 2 Chainz is an artist we want to grammy this year that that really help people understand so we want to grab me we've had number one albums eight world tours 12 domestic tours been on Good Morning America I've been on 2 Broke Girls that's something they might know so yes it's it's been a amazing amazing 10 years that uh that that that I was able to be with 2 Chainz and to fast-forward a little bit and to rewind and fast-forward so I got fired on October 4th 2007 the last day of Soulja Boy's tour that ended in Atlanta when soldier boys fired you when Soulja Boy fired me that was my last job I ever had and I retired from the music industry on October 4th 2017 the last day of two changes tour that ended in Atlanta Wow 10 years to the date that's crazy well there's a certain poetry to that write in a certain symmetry see the universe really is working in your life in mysterious ways that you can't comprehend charlie that's right that brought us here today that's right so fatso rewinding it though a little bit like so you somehow you're able to convince this this this guy to change then that he should take a chance on you that's when you're reprobate friends and he he did and we just showed up we went to work and it business got big and and like I said in the big was he at the time they used he wasn't he had a big song like three years prior and he was dormant there wasn't much going on but he was he was respected in the industry so it wasn't just like working with a no-name so-so business got big and in around that time it's like business brought two things business business brought success which led to food and it brought stress which led to food so it's like early in my life at eight when I buried my dream and went into business this business thing was ultimately a trap for me because everything that happened every day is either a celebration or every day is some sort of stress and it was extreme and and I had got over three hundred and four pounds and I had always did diets and my brain was fried of just like data like if there was a diet jeopardy I would be like the all-time champion of the world like 27 episodes in a row every single one in and I was just I was fried and I got really really big embarrassing embarrassingly you know obese what was the most weight 304 304 yeah person in that video you can kind of you know you chronicled a lot of it man yeah so you can kind of see I mean it's kind of amazing because looking at you now like I can't see that person at all it's it's quite a change thank you but what comes across in that video and and what came across when we talked you know the one we first got together was the you know just the the desperation that comes with like just feeling trapped in this this compulsion this addiction and and this this body without to be able to find any way to escape it that's right and you you speak of your relationship with food as as an addictive thing is clear that like you're like a food addict right totally um I've never I've never done any type of drugs or anything um I think I knew better because I knew how I was with food and when I like something I just overdo it no matter what it is right like you know that's why I guess endurance sports is good for me I just overdo anything so the food addiction it sent me it sent me to a place where I would I was so desperate because it's one thing to not try and get bad results I think it makes it ten times worse when you try so hard and you get bad results like I was never that guy I was very ambitious so I was never the god to to give up like everyday it's like this is the day like this is the game plan I'm gonna do this and then I'll crack mainly because of like I wasn't addressing my roots like my tree that makes fruit is in bad soil like that's basically what it was like I could prune the tree all I want above ground but it didn't matter what I did above ground my roots are in bad soil so I was never making fruit and that was like my business environment and me not fulfilling my purpose it was just bad soil so um a guy walked into my life Scott Cameron but before we even get into that I wanted to just kind of explore one thing that you said in a little bit more depth which is this idea of of trying like I think there's a presumption or an assumption out there that if you see somebody who's obese like they've just given up they've given up on themselves they have poor self-esteem they don't care they've thrown in the towel and and maybe that's true for some people but you know your your experience is different like you were actually like trying to address this the whole time and just constantly frustrated with not being able to get results mm-hmm yeah every day wake up the most motivated person in the world go to bed the most depressed person in the world repeat that cycle never was a day the towel was thrown in in the morning yeah but it takes a lot of what's right word like perseverance I guess because if you're waking up every day saying this is how I want the day to go and then and then meeting your inability to live up to that expectation that you set for yourself every day you're taking down a peg and that's gotta like just wear on your soul where's all right until until you are that person who's like [ __ ] it right I'm giving up so my first my first rock-bottom is when I decided to start running and I did a starvation diet and lost a hundred pounds like so I starved myself what what precipitated that bottom like what happened where you were like okay when the weight started coming back after I had starved myself down a hundred pounds all the weight started coming back and I'll try to get back on the diet that starvation diet and then it was like this trap of like like I was burnt I couldn't do it anymore and I would try and then I'm like I would binge eat to where like I knew it was so bad rich like this gas station had the Krispy Kreme Doughnuts and then I knew like I would drive to another gas station because I knew they had the mrs. Fields Cookies and then it's like okay I'll beat myself down so bad like okay I messed up let me just go ahead and like push myself down the rest of the stairs I'll trip down one push myself down the rest and I would go to like Wendy's like all right like now I'm just right I'm on now right like once the seals cracked like anything goes and then you just want to make yourself so sick because I'll be like this is my last time I'm gonna make myself so sick that I'll never want to do this again and I would I would expand so much overnight from like I don't know maybe 10,000 15,000 calories like I'm talking about massive loads of food and I've never get full for some reason I would get sick but I wouldn't get full and I wake up the next day and my skin all over my body would be bruised like it would hurt to touch my skin and I've never heard that before like what is that I don't know I could never find anything on it it was just like expansion retaining so much water like like eating that mini process because I never ate real food when I binge eat I would never go to a restaurant you're not heating fruits and vegetables like we're even just mashed potatoes and steak like just like there was like it would be processing gas station junk food was the only thing I wanted because I wanted to sit in my car where was you know hidden and and another thing like it sent me into this depressed state to where like it would usually be on the weekends like the binging would happen that I was so terrified of Fridays and Saturdays like I don't know if there's a phobia like for Fridays and Saturdays but I had a phobia like I'm in the music industry and everybody I know is going out and they're going to the clubs and they're enjoying themselves and I'm not crawled up in my room depressed and they're going to the clubs to listen to the music that we make like that we give them entertainment and I'm just like I'm scared of the weekend I couldn't wait for Monday so I could just be accepted in the one place that I'm good and that's the office and yeah so so the shame it was it was terrible and you never like did you ever veer into eating disorder territory with you know throwing up or the bulimia or no I mean if you're doing starvation stuff that's sort of tiptoeing around anorexic that was definitely too soon I went to like therapist like I was like really trying to like figure out how to mentally get over it but I had all the wrong and for me and I was like okay no more diets I'm gonna run so like Scott walked into my life he was like I'm gonna stick with you brainer and yeah like bestfriend type trainer and he's like Charlie I know there's something special about you I see it in you and I know your brain is fried from all these diets and we're just gonna run and when he said that it went back to like my childhood dream there's like an athlete how could anybody run a marathon and be fat like when I do this he challenged me to a marathon I said yes and we started training and we did a one marathon Santa Rosa how long did it take you to train for about 10 months mm-hmm gained weight during the training during the training as you came during the training probably about 10 pounds uh-huh so you're keeping the same eating habits and then with all the sort of exercise output there's the kind of reward mechanism on top of that well I just ran eight mile so I can actually eat more and feel fine about it exactly you're not addressing exactly habits and the attitudes around food and it just it just got worse you know it was appetite increased and I would wake up every morning and train I did a full marathon gained weight and so I'm like okay we're gonna do another one but let's hold on hold on let's explore that a little bit because I think that's news to a lot of people like the idea like listen if you're training for a marathon you're gonna lose weight no matter what exactly what I thought and what did Scott think when you actually gained weight I don't know how he dealt with me because I was such a victim every day I'm just like I'm just like in this victim mentality like what else do you want me to do and he's having to deal with me and deal with them late night text messages that are this long me being depressed and like because I'm trying it's that what we were talking about like trying even harder and still gaining weight right like so yeah so that's like another bottom right like what yeah what do you want like I run a train for a marathon marathon of Guinea I'm actually getting bigger so we we said we're gonna do another one but this time we're going to do bike riding as well so you're gonna run another marathon but we're gonna train on the bike as well she's sort of like a physical version of a starvation diet like let's just exhaust you right let's just like keep your body moving so much that your metabolism has no choice but you know lose weight right so what happened with that gained weight so uh huh and that was that was the Silver Comet marathon in Atlanta and then that was October and then we're like okay we're gonna do another America but you to be fair like you're eating crap right it's not you're not like I'm trying to like well I'm dieting kind of like I'm like every three hours like eat this but then I would crack their feel wrong exactly and it would be like one day of binge eating would beat would would undo undo six days of like doing good and I was always hungry and when I cracked it was just it'll just be bad so so we did a third marathon the LA Marathon and this I was at such a heavy weight I don't know how I did it like my all my toenails turn black and fell off I was pounding so much and like when I run marathons I don't walk like it's like I see people walking I'm like I grind like I go hard but when I look back at pictures of that marathon I'm like Jesus I was huge how did I do that it's like man I'm unbelievable and that is what like at that moment I went rock bottom rich and I I didn't think what is the emotional state of finishing a third marathon and and continuing to expand and and feeling like there is no solution accessible for you to solve this problem he you feel like there's no more road left what else can I do like I remember I would um like I'm like a figure stuff out type of guy I have my notebook I'm gonna come up with a game plan it is like I'm going right back to that like okay what's worked for me in the past like how do we do this and boom boom boom and I was I was being called to nature at this moment like I was always be called to nature like just go sit down in nature and write and think in game play and then I there was this voice and it was like Charlie you can't figure this one out in your notebook I closed the notebook and I thought about it and I was like maybe I need to go on a journey I was like I was like maybe I need to go on a journey and I remember in the next couple of days I woke up and the room started spinning like like something was wrong spinning like not me like hallucinating but like I'm consciously like I wake up turn my head up to the ceiling look up and I'm like wow the room spinning this can't be good how long is it gonna last I'm sitting there 15 20 seconds later it stops and then I get out of bed go pick up my shoes boom pass out I wake up I'm on the floor I'm like yeah this is good this isn't good like something's actually wrong here and how long after that that LA Marathon was this this was this was like eight months mm-hmm and what year are we talking about this is we're now last year oh well this is just last year yeah this is last November mmm and boom brain tumor that's what caused me to pass out brain tumor wrapped around my left optic nerve wrapped around my coronary artery and doctor said it could start corroding the top of my spinal cord and that was I thought I was rock bottom before but then when you feel like it's over like like I'm gonna die I realize what that whole you need to go on a journey they meant it's amazing that that was just one year ago and that the trigger occurred on the heels of you kind of making this promise to yourself or this decision that you were gonna go on this journey mm and you were rewarded with that decision with this unbelievable news best thing that happened you have to take a hospital to the how did you find out that you had a brain tumor in mind yeah yeah yeah and so what's the prognosis at that time what's the doctor telling you you're gonna have to do medication um or chemotherapy medication body acted a little funny with it they wanted to put me on higher levels and they said that would affect my heart like my heart valves like they said well this medication has one downside you know this is the same brain tumor that Tony Robbins had when he was my um a pituitary tumor so it throws everything in your body off the pituitary gland and all the hormones and that's when the journey started and I was I was I didn't want to listen to people and I moved to California I didn't tell my family or my business partners that I was moving I said I'm going for a few weeks they knew you had cancer though but they have cancer it wasn't cancer but brain tumor it was it was it was benign thank God I see that or not not okay all right so they knew something was wrong they knew I was in a bad place and I said I'm gonna go to California for some meetings you know Oh like I'm going out there for a few weeks I knew I was gone but I didn't want a big like going away like people scared none of that so I went for a couple weeks and they said no meetings are going great out here you know like I think I'm gonna stay a couple more weeks and by Christmas they were like have you moved I'm like you know what I think I think it's good for me because you know it's really healthy out there and I decided to go vegan and this is another thing so I went being in and I gained 20 pounds hmm I had no idea what I was doing mm-hmm I was eating it edgy Grill every day getting like hamburgers and stuff and I was like well if I go vegan it's impossible that I'll gain weight like this is going to be the answer yeah not true especially the this day and age with so many yummy you know non animal versions of your favorite junk food yeah and I had got back up I'd gained 20 more pounds got up to about 260 270 again and this was March and April this is you know like less than a year ago less than a year ago and I was like okay let me stop everything I tried to leave my company in April they wouldn't let me they said Charlie just go figure out whatever you need to figure out we'll be here when you're done and I just went on a journey to learn but this impulse to like leave your company and go on this journey and the processing of you know having a brain tumor and your inability to kind of you know manage your own physical being I mean where is this where is this leaving you emotionally I mean obviously there's a lot of turmoil in your life for you to just up and go to California by yourself and not really feel comfortable enough to be honest about what it is that you're you're actually doing or seeking like where is your head at this point are you like having this reassembly of what's important to you or you know what is occurring to you at that at that moment at that moment I was I was gone I was going out of business like I was gone like it wasn't like you're really like you're you don't care about all this other stuff that you thought was important nothing matter anymore nothing mattered money business the cool winning Grammys all that stuff just didn't matter I've I had to reconnect with the dream and I said I'm gonna be an athlete I'm gonna fix this once and for sure I mean once and for all and I'm gonna do everything I'm gonna do an Ironman I'm going to change my eating I I had this I boiled it down to something very simple and I needed simplicity because I had all this data from dieting like everything every three hours and they just don't eat this like and I was like I need something simple and that's what I liked about vegan but then I needed like even more simple than vegan I needed even more rules to just like just do this and I I came up with this in my head um I said if what they're saying is true you are what you eat and I'm dying is what I'm eating dead or alive and when I thought about it like that I was like okay I started asking myself questions oil okay that's probably dead so that's probably dead banana oh that's a life potato alive and and that because you dead or alive diet 100% like like even just because something vegan like it was like I got rid of the oil I got rid of the salt I got rid of just I just we're gonna eat like fruits and vegetables that are like living all day well not 100% um like probably like 60 70 percent and the brain tumor started shrinking my hormones in my body leveled out like like the food caused it because because because with the pituitary tumor it's all hormones and all I was eating my whole life was me because I was doing ketogenic diets like most of the diets I were doing were like ketogenic diets and I mean John's meat Dom almost no vegetables like very rarely and processed foods when I binge and like diet sodas and all that type of stuff and I know that's what caused a brain tumor yeah just Jack your endocrine system yeah threw everything off body just deformed he node formed the tumor and then when I started eating food that was a lot started shrinking doctors are like wow right like how long did that take this is what did you first notice that it was shrinking so I haven't taken my medicine in almost five months and my hormones coming down lower like like the prolactin level is like super high and it's coming all the way down and this shrinking and like my the testosterone is leveling out on its aunt like no medicine like doctors were prescribing me like testosterone stuff prescribed me stuff for that like the hormones like that's what controls it and I started just like eating living foods and a lot of raw food yeah like a lot like I eat like George smells like I eat like six oranges a day like in an hour like because because I'm exercising a lot to him training for the Ironman so that's amazing so what did the doctors say when you went back in and they were seeing these kinds of results in you and I mean we're using one to say like did they tell you like it's okay for you to go off the medication or were you just saying I'm not going to do that or like how did that go down I made my own rules there wasn't much conversation but were they surprised that you were balancing out in that way and that there was some evidence of shrinking yes mm-hmm totally is that like normal as like does that have I mean the idea that food could have an impact on the growth or regression of of a tumorous growth in your brain it's probably you know something that a lot of people would tell you can't be the case mm-hmm I mean I'm not a doctor but I mean what were these doctors telling you that they they didn't want to talk much like it it was in and out like kind of absurd like I'd go in and I get my blood work done and it's like everything looks good that's it moves like that's the bedside manner they don't want to talk hmm what do you think that's about it's just that's the system that's set up to see as many people as possible yeah I mean as doctors you like who were your doctors out like Cedars or someplace like I don't want to I don't want to cause a fury but good doctors you know one here one in Atlanta mm-hmm so you're here doing this self-styled Dead or Alive diet the tumors shrinking I mean first of all what what inspired you to as somebody who has done a million different diets like what was it that got you excited about trying this which sounds like it's something that you hadn't tried yet I just needed something that made sense I just needed like I'm starting to just boil things down in my life like what makes sense and when I would watch these documentaries on veganism and stuff and I was like that makes sense and the oil and everything I was like okay like let me get rid of anything that's dead and I just I do good with rules like I don't see it on that like it's like it's easy for me mm-hmm because it's it's like I used to celebrate food now I like celebrate taking my shirt off at the beach for the first time in my life I celebrate this morning you know I ran eight and a half miles and it's my fifth day of working out without a rest day and it's like wow I crushed it and one of my fastest speeds at almost under a nine minute pace mm-hmm and like I used to run like when I did my marathons I was like a 12:45 it's like you know like it was like wow like that's what I'm celebrating now so people are like is this hard for you like no like it's actually easy it's way easier than a diet because the relationship when I look at her arms like now I look at it like wow like this is live this is alive like I wish like food had like a label on it that had like the level of energy that the food puts off instead of like people thinking about like food gives you energy like an energy bar like that has zero energy like it's a it's a dead thing that can sit on a shelf for four years like that's not energy you know like let's look at energy differently this thing is alive that means there's frequencies and energies coming off of it we're like something that can sit on a shelf for four years that's like very low frequency energy yeah the Chi that you know you're gonna get all like whoo New Age now on it but it's true it's like yeah what is what it I mean everything is energy right so what is the energy what vibration is this thing you know vibrating so you already know it's in here somewhere it's in here this phone I carry this guy with yeah Einstein Einstein bobblehead it actually doesn't bother I wish it wobbled I don't know what it does but quantum physics energy he described everything he described how me and you met energy the entanglement like it's actually all backed up by science and I've been studying it George introduced me to a quantum physicist oh yeah I think you told me when we met you were rushing off because you were going to meet this guy yeah yeah that's right when I know about this so all these crazy things started having in my life and I didn't feel comfortable talking to people about them but when I cleaned up my diet it was like it was like I had superpowers and I like didn't want to tell people because I didn't want to seem weird or like hippy or whatever like I'm just a good old southern boy and but I had these superpowers like I could think of somebody and then they'll call me and then like there was this girl who I hadn't seen in 10 years and I went searching for our Instagram and I couldn't find her and then the next day she liked my page and direct messaged me and I was like oh like and then this started happening a lot and then I was like I thought like I said I said to my friend I was like I want I want to help Oprah with her health and then tomorrow I have a meeting with Oprah's producers mmm like this is like happening fast and as II it's like it's easy for me to do now and I had all these questions on how this is happening and the quantum physicist explained it to me and he told me about this study where they took human DNA the the military did this study they took human DNA put it in a dish and they have the instruments study the energy coming off of the dish they took that human being put him in another part of the building had him watch like an emotional video that like made him like emotional and the DNA changed the energy changed it increased the DNA that had been extracted that was in the other room was being impacted by the stimulus that the human being was exposed to yes and out of sight what quantum physics says and this isn't me this isn't me but come on some physics says the guy's telling you is is that atom particles can be in two places at one time and when they did that's definitely a fact they've done those studies double smart holes are like on opposite sides of the coast and are being impacted by each other exactly and that's how I mean you got connected I said I want to meet rich roll a kid dm's me and introduces us just like that I said I want to help Oprah boom I have a meeting with her producers like like I think of somebody they DM me because the particles are we are entangled and I started studying the the the quantum physics just to make sure I wasn't crazy and it all says that yeah like your body is clean you're eating living things that have high frequency so your antenna goes further than when you were eating bad things you got rid of all the negative things in your life you cleaned up and your antenna just reaches further than it used to I was like that makes sense I get it thank you answer I can I can vouch for that you know and it is a weird thing because you don't want to come off as sounding crazy but I can certainly attest to the fact that that cleaning up my diet and starting to eat living things had a much larger impact on my life than just slimming down and even beyond just being able to be successful as an athlete like it changed everything about Who I am and how I interact with the world and my daughter just turned 14 so we had a little birthday dinner for her the other night and we were going through like old photos you know like old photos from like when she was a baby and you know I was never more badly obese like yourself I wasn't 300 pounds but I was like a hefty you know I was like 50 55 pounds overweight mm-hmm and so I was we were scrolling back and I saw some of those pictures from like 2004 2005 and my daughter is looking at them they're like who is that you know it doesn't look like the same person and I even said to my wife like man like that was a challenged time she was like yeah it wasn't fun mm-hmm and that hurt to hear her say that and she wasn't saying that because she wasn't physically attracted to me she was saying that because I was carrying around like a heavy energy mmm I had nothing to do with what the scale said like a certain density right and my journey with cleaning up my diet is actually a journey of self-discovery and self-actualization that begins with the foods that are on your plate right that's the opening portal like that's right that's the opening to the cave that you're like walking into or right and what gets people through the door is the idea of like oh like look at Charlie's before-and-after pictures like that's what I want yeah I'm struggling but what it delivers is so much more like the weight is nothing compared to the impact that it can have on fundamentally every aspect of how you live your life how you see yourself your relationship with yourself your relationship with others and it is a very esoteric thing and I'm glad that there's a there's a quantum physicist out there that can like apply some science to it but my own personal anecdotal evidence is simply that I am aligning myself with a higher frequency mm-hmm with which you know this earth or this environment in which we inhabit is is vibrating like it's yeah and you're you're in tune with that in a new and different way which sets you on a different trajectory for your life the idea like I'm not sitting here having a podcast with you and writing the but doing all the things that I do because I vision board it and I wrote it out and said this is my plan and my goal that I'm going after these things have occurred as a result of my commitment always trying to improve myself mmm right and that journey towards the center towards the heart has deposited me in this place despite myself well which which would have chosen something else for myself my ego would have chosen a different path because it doesn't have the at a vision that this life force has mmm right I think I described that very well but I think you get where I'm coming 100% and you're on a very similar journey with that and I've seen this in other people I've seen this with people in sobriety who get who get cleaned from drugs and alcohol and I've seen it with people who have stepped in to the Dead or Alive diet for lack of a better phrase eating I mean it's essentially a whole food plant-based diet tipping towards like a lot of raw foods right it's essentially what you're doing and I've seen the lights go on in people in a way that you you would not imagine that extends so far beyond the waistline it's insane there was a second part that I think some of the viewers might like when I said simple rules I had another simple rule other than the Dead or Alive and it was eat when I'm hungry stop when I'm full like literally if I'm hungry there aren't rules like the body is smarter then we ever could be like it's so beautifully designed and miraculously designed when it says it's hungry I eat and I only stop you know my frigerator with like low calorie dense things I was like oh like sweet potatoes I hate them all day like baked potatoes I need them all day put a whole bunch of sauce on when I learned that a pound when I looked at calories differently I stopped counting calories I said oh how many calories are in a pound of something that's all I want to know mmm because if I think of like me filling up like if I ate two pounds three pounds or something I'll be stuffed so I was like okay if I ate a pound of strawberries it's like a hundred and forty five calories per pound or if I ate a pound of cashews there's 3,500 calories a pound if I eat a pound of sweet potatoes it's 350 calories per pound if I ate a pound of baked potatoes I mean uh potato chips it's like three thousand so I'm like oh let me just fill my stomach up and always be full and if I'm always full I never have to dye it again and I'm always full that is my ID I did my whole life where I was like restrict stick within these calories now I naturally stick within the calories because I only eat calorie low calorie dense full mm-hm like if it's under 500 calories a pound oh I'm stuffing myself with it right low calorie dense but nutrient dense you know chef AJ she speaks about this a lot I can turn you on to some videos where she breaks that down beautifully but that's exactly what you're doing you're eating foods that are really high in fiber that you're getting full but you're not in lots of water yes so it's like you know either you can you can have a teaspoon of oil yes or you can eat like two baked potatoes right exactly you know what I mean exam two this idea of rules like I work really well rules too and and I think it's important to have rules not too many rules but enough rules that it takes the decision fatigue out of how you're going to approach your day and that's true of me in how I approach my professional career it's true of how I approach my training like when I'm not working with my coach and I don't know what I'm supposed to do that day then who knows what I'm gonna do and I wake up and I'm like well I could do this but maybe I should do that well then I'll move this around so I can do that like all these decisions you have to make as opposed to oh I look at the calendar and like it's a two-hour bike today that's what I do there's no there's no debate there's no whatever it is that's the way it is and similarly with respect to diet and nutrition you know there are a few rules it's like I don't eat any it is a dead or a live thing like I don't eat any animal products pretty basic rule it's really simple it's sort of like in sobriety I don't use drugs and alcohol no matter what like that's just the rule you don't break right so that's fundamental rule number one no animal products and then you go down the scale of like you know eating eating these plant foods as close to their natural state as possible there's gradations within that but you just kind of approach it from that fundamental perspective it doesn't have to be that complicated mm-hmm and it's freed up so much mental space for me not having to make food decisions anymore because every day used to be like there was fear of every meal every meal was scary to think about like Oh Lord like I'm hungry I have to eat like oh my god like uh and then we'd be planning meals and celebrating meals and then like it was always everyday multiple multiple big decisions especially when you're scared of food it's like it's like I talked about in the video like I envy people who like addicted to drugs because like you can call Turkey a drug and never have to deal with it again with food like you have to deal with it every day and when you're terrified of food that's when it gets scary to make decisions well one of the things you said earlier is that you weren't when you were struggling with your dietary proclivities and choices and trying out all these different programs unsuccessfully you weren't dealing with your core issues you were like pruning the the branches but you weren't getting to the soil and the roots right so so I take it now fundamentally you know diet choices aside that you are kind of dealing with the roots so what and what are those issues and what is that journey towards you know you know reckoning with that been like first thing was from a child I wanted to be an athlete and I had to address that it's interesting sorry to interrupt but it's interesting that with all your success as a music manager I mean most people would look at that like Grammys you know successful making money going to crazy party whatever like cares about the athlete thing man like all the athletes want to be what you know doing what you're doing right like you're fine let it go and and I let it go I let that whole life go and it was easy for me to like like some of my friends are like is that hard for you to walk away and I'm like no like I know I can never truly be successful if I don't have my health when you're looking at your death it's like what does this mean anyways and I would always have these dreams only only one it's not like a bad dream but it's a reoccurring dream with a negative feeling of I died before I got to realize what it was like to be fit like that's my fear like I want to know what it's like to have a six-pack or to be able to like not be afraid to look in the mirror and if that was always my underlying root it's like I made lots of money but now I live with four remains and I don't mind like I'm like living my dream and money and impressing people and I could be like honest and humble like I'm a successful guy but like I know that no money is coming in so I need to live with roommates mm-hmm what am I afraid of like I'm chasing my dream I'm gonna be an athlete and I'm gonna I'm gonna do this Ironman and then me and my best friend we're going biked across America and allow people to bike with us like with this interactive map where people can see where we are and then I'm gonna do a relay race across America and it's gonna start July 4th in New York and it's going to be a torch and we're all going to get this torch across America and it's going to be America connecting together in different people like me and you and other people who want to be like us I want to want to do better with their life and reinventing their life they're all going to get this torch across America and we're going to be connected and that's my dream I love marketing I'm a good businessman but now I can apply my gift to like okay we value a dollar so much like we get we like people jump through hoops for money like that's what they think about all day and then I'm like a human life is more valuable than a dollar but like I talked about in the beginning like a million dollars I did that whatever now I wanna help transform a million lives that's the new type of millionaire like in there's people like you that exist that are doing it naturally you know like I'm you inspired me now I want to do it and I'm gonna reach my hand back and then there's just gonna be more and more of us and I'm gonna take what I learned with marketing I look at it like God wanted me to go do the hip hop thing so I can learn how to influence culture like he just sent me sent me over there go learn how to market really good in influence culture so when you come over here to do good for people and be of service to people you're ready to go and I can mark it like the best of them and make movements worldwide with what I know but instead of doing it for money like before I was just a consumer now I'm a provider mmm you know me just being able to tell my story I can help some it's an amazing thing like George like Chris Collins said like we can talk into this microphone and this internet thing it can go like like we're gonna like say something into here with just our mouth and somebody's life which is a valuable thing is going to be saved like yeah it's common kind of like electricity is coming that's an amazing thing that like like we can't forget how amazing this internet thing is like because somebody's listening and their life is gonna change like like when when I hear your story help change my life somebody's gonna hear my like somebody's life that's a valuable thing like somebody is depressed and thinking of suicide or addicted to drugs and gonna kill them so like we can just use our mouth to top it's just an amazing thing well I get I get crazy emails every single day from people that are that are impacted profoundly by the messages and the stories told by that guests that are sitting in the chair that you're sitting in right now so I'm familiar with that and I think we're only tapping the surface of what's possible we're in the infancy of this Internet age and it just feels good to be part of solution for people in whatever small way that we can and look there's nothing more powerful than an extraordinary story well told you know and your story is your story is very powerful and so that's why I wanted to have you here to be able to share it because I think it does hold within at the potential energy to catalyze change in other people who feel stuck who feel like they've tried every diet they can't see their way through it they're ready to give up whether it's drugs or alcohol or relationships or food or gambling or shopping or whatever it is you know the idea that somebody has pulled themselves up from the abyss from that vicious cycle of being unable to unable to to you know be the person that they always want it to be to now be meeting that you know full-on with the embrace that that that that you have at the moment is empowering and it's infectious I think you know it's as infectious as as a terrible virus you know in the most positive way yeah and what's great about your story is that it's continuing to unfold it's a story that's still being told I mean this was nine months ago when the brain tumour thing came and you decided to get serious about your food your relationship with food I mean that's not that long ago I'm looking I look at you now you don't look anything like those pictures I mean you've lost what like a hundred pounds or something like that so I've lost a total of 125 25 pounds but in the past seven eight months 80 mm-hmm that's crazy that's not very long time and I think what's interesting also about what has allowed it allowed you to make it work this time is something that I've heard on this podcast before with with my friend Josh love Johnny he you know he's a guy who lost a tremendous amount of weight but a real fundamental sea change for him was when he stopped thinking about and focusing on what the scale said and he fundamentally changed his relationship with food and he started considering himself to be an athlete like it's not about weight loss it's about how do I become the athlete that I always want to be and the more he put his focus on that and less on like what is you know what's my weight or what is my waistline look like instead of it but rather like how can I be a better runner how can I get faster you know what do I need to do it almost was like a release valve that took the pressure off because suddenly it wasn't a ticking clock it's just this is your life now right and I see a similar kind of approach or kind of shift in decision-making in perspective in yourself definitely and there was a little trick that I found out in business and finally applying that to my health was it's just easier to go bold like wait saying you're gonna wake up and run every day this is so much harder than saying I'm gonna do an Ironman like going bold is easier because now like when people introduce you to somebody like oh he's training for an Ironman they would never say oh he wakes up and runs every day like it ultimately becomes you that's why I like being vegan for me was easy because it's like I'm accountable like I'm vegan everybody knows it now like my friends my family so going big and bold is easier and when I think about you it's like man you do superhuman things and I bet that's I bet doing those superhuman things is easier like because you're just mentally ready to go bigger then just saying I'm gonna wake up and run everyday like like well that doesn't mean anything to me exactly and and what is the accountability factor with that like you need a goal that scares you enough though so that you how you hold yourself accountable mm-hmm and I think there's something also to be said for the sort of exotic nature of it like the more the the bolder the goal the less crowded the space right it's like everybody's kind of clamoring around like we're running a 5k or a 10k less people a marathon even less people you know an Ironman and then you know upwards upwards you go and it gets scarier as you notch it up which increases the level of self-accountability mm-hmm but it's also exciting you know that's what gets you out of bed in the morning like pump for your day part of that is fear a healthy fear and part of it is is the thrill of not knowing exactly what's gonna happen yes right yeah but why do you like I want to explore a little bit like why you felt the need to walk away from your career completely because I'm sure people would say look you want to do that you want to like eat raw food and you want to like train for an Ironman that's great well you don't have to quit your job it's like you know a lot of people do Iron Man's you know they still they still work like why did you feel I know the answer to this but I want to hear you say it like I want I'm interested in how you're gonna articulate this like why was it important for you to really like draw this line in the sand and make this dramatic like basic pronouncement about how you were shifting your life this is why your podcast is so good yes good questions that are not easy to answer um I knew that every single thing I was doing in my life was wrong literally everything like I was a good person but my actions like give me an example I I made a choice and the choice will set you down a road and when you're somebody like me who is loyal and is committed like it leads down long long roads and I made a choice when I was eight that I was gonna go into business and that's where it started it was like okay III put something under the rug I just swept something under the rug that should not have been swept under the rug I should have dealt with motional II emotionally subconsciously it was always there want to be an athlete I want to be fit I was the chubby kid let me I should have addressed that then and then I made the decision I'm gonna get into hip-hop and hip-hop was amazing to me hip-hop was a love-hate relationship changed my life made me extremely successful allowed me to you know take care of my parents and take care of my family and you know myself and but it was tough as well it was I had I had an artist get shot and killed at my studio um I was breaking up a fight one day and bullets flew right past me and we were all running 2 Chainz got shot at in San Francisco another one of my artists young Dolph he got shot at a hundred times in Charlotte and then he got shot four times here in LA about a month ago like you were around when these shootings are going on I was around in one of them but it's it's that it's that like I live the real like I'm a very soft-spoken guy just an entrepreneur you know hip-hop I knew like like I said like I always had a gift to see what was coming around the corner of culture and when I was young I was like this hip-hop thing is going to be big and now it's the biggest genre in the world the number-one grossing genre in the entire world and I saw that years ago and that's why I got into the business and it was good and it was bad and I had to change everything in my life if I wanted to live and I did and I was I had the courage and I wasn't scared and I knew I'll know I know how to make money I'll go make money again I'll jump into a pool and I'll learn how to swim and people will want to help me along the way and like right now yeah scary I don't make any money I'm gonna be fine I'm not worried like if I just do what's right for my dreams and if I help people I have more blessings than than I ever thought I would have from hell but like like it's that's the truth I mean again that's my experience and and the money will come it's probably not going to come the way you think it might or when you think it might or in the amounts that you think it might but it doesn't matter because you'll be taken care of as long as your focus is on service and self-care right taking care of yourself making sure that your your actions are in alignment with your values that you are being true to this mission this that you feel is is really like this instinctual call for how you need to be in the world and express yourself and sharing that freely of yourself in service to other people in a real profound and fundamental way everything else will get taken care of like that's a promise I know it even you know I know it yeah you know yeah and it was you know that's it happened for me it took a freaking long time you know like I did go through a lot but ultimately all of those experiences have value and make it all the more meaningful to me now right mm-hmm and for some reason you're being called to serve in this way and you could into it or construe your brain tumor as this ultimate kind of reckoning moment of trying to get you to finally pay attention to this thing that you've been ignoring your whole life that is obviously so important to you that's right and you're in the nascent early stages of wrestling with and trying to figure out how to move forward with this in a productive way and it's cool to see yeah man yeah when's the Iron Man March third New Zealand yeah that's good I did a half iron coming up quick here it's coming up quick I got it like seven weeks left of training my intense training so I'm feeling good I still got some weight to drop I still got a gut you know that's all right man I must for your life yeah yeah exactly you know that race will come and go whatever's hot going to happen is gonna happen but it's not gonna impact like how you're living moving forward right I'm so excited because it's it's like I'm gonna allow people to like go on the journey with me and I'm like I'm no superhero like you know in my video I talked about like charlie rocket like you you know like the superhero I relate to in Georgia nother story oh that I relate to is it's kind of like spider-man cuz he was like one of us you know like like spy Spiderman was just a regular guy and that's how I am like I like some superhero like I'm just like you know a regular regular guy but like I wanted to be able to find my inner superhero that would save my life because there's two of me there's the there's there's there's the guy who has the flaws but then there's this like inner superhero and I gave him a name Charlie rocket and and every morning like I earned into him when I'm working out because it's so fun to be a superhero and I had just came up with this recently like this was like four or five months ago like and I'm like I'm gonna be a superhero when I work out I brought mine I brought my headband you got a charlie Rockets superhero headband oh yeah yeah there it is image like a kamikaze I made it I had my friend printed up and then I have this seamstress stitch it together but like if you look on there's like little rocket emojis uh-huh and then I put this on in the morning and then I put my dad is like it's either that or you're like it you work at Benihana and then it's like oh like like and and it's interesting when I when I bike and run down the boardwalk in the morning like people like see my energy because I'm having fun like everybody's usually in their own zone but like like people high-five me and like people are getting to know me now like in Santa Monica in Venice and they ask me what's your name I'm like charlie rocket and then the next morning they'll be like rocket you know and it's just it's just fun to transform into the superhero that I want to be and I think everybody should practice that like like you know how on podcast so I asked like what's your inner animal spirits you know and I'm like what's your inner emoji spirit like I'm the rocket like you know I want to be a rocket like a rocket takes off real slow but then it gets fast mm-hmm like once it and but it just keeps going and then at some point it just gets fast and my weight-loss journey my fitness journey started off real slow but I'm about to get fast because I'm about to hit that that's 60 like also because the resistance is very high initially there's so much force pressing down on you to prevent you from you know reaching you know cruising altitude right but as you start to you know get higher and higher up the resistance is less and less and less until you're in space and the world is the universe is just open to you right that's right without very little force you can go a very long way right but I like that story and it's it reminds me of the iron cowboy I loved had on the podcast a couple times you know I don't know if you listen to those episodes people who are listening he's the guy who did 50 iron mans in 50 states in 50 days and he's the iron cowboy and he has a very similar relationship with who the iron cowboy is versus James Lawrence right it's like the iron cowboy is his superhero you know doppelganger and when he wakes up in the morning and goes out to train or he goes out into the world he adorns the trappings of this superhero character and then he inhabits that character right it's like it's like this thing there's there's James the flawed human being the normal guy or whatever and then there's the hat and the cape that he puts on to go be this person and achieve these amazing things and there's something about that relationship that seems to be like a springboard for achieving things that you didn't think you you're capable of achieving right totally yeah because I mean how long ago would the idea for you of tackling an Ironman have seemed just ridiculous and impossible nine months ago I made the decision to do it eight months ago it would have seemed ridiculous and then when I made up my mind and I wanted to ask you a question about this like mastering your mindset because I still deal with like smaller thinking even though I'm doing something bold like two months after starting to bike I was so ignorant to what was possible that like I was like I'm gonna do 112 mile bike ride today uh-huh and I didn't you did yeah and I'm like because I was ignorant like I was just like but emotionally and mentally perhaps there was something inside of you that need it you needed to prove to yourself that that that like before you even invested yourself too much in this let's just see if like I can bang this out right not the smartest thing in the world but emotionally there was some reason why you needed to do that for yourself right and it wasn't even hard but it was like I said oh 12 yeah and then I started telling all my friends I'm gonna do it and then I knocked it out and I was done and now like where I kind of struggle just on some days is I just think too small I'm like if I just thought bigger like what just be will my body magically like yesterday was my body magically struggling with the 40 miles just because I said I'm gonna do 40 miles like why was the hundred and twelve the same difficulty as the 40 like you've done like super extreme things I get what you're saying though you know when you decide like this is what I'm trying to achieve for the day and you put a cap on that then it always seems like you struggle to the end of that whereas if you would double that then what would with that first half of it just seemed easy like there is something to that I think in terms of of how you envision yourself and your your ultimate like capabilities and and and potential as an athlete or as a human being I kind of look at it like through the through the lens or the context of a big wave surfer so if you've never surfed before or maybe you can surf a one foot wave and do it with some level of mastery that doesn't mean that you're gonna go out to Mavericks or you know to the North Shore of Hawaii and drop in on a 20-foot wave that would not be smart it's possible that you're capable of handling that but there is a whole lot of work that has to take place in between you know that one foot wave and tackling that 20 foot wave because the people that are great at those huge waves the Laird Hamilton's they inch up to it very gradually you know the one foot wave to the one-and-a-half to the two to the three so but by the time they're dropping in on a 50-foot wave they've served a forty five and a half foot and a 40 foot they've been doing that for a year so it doesn't seem that different becomes more accessible and I think in the context of being an endurance athlete it's not a one-year plan like it's you know it basically takes about five years I think to really develop some level of mastery in endurance and ultra endurance and within that five year period you're gradually increasing your volume with your runs and your and your rides and stuff like that and I'm sure you would you know over the course of season as those rides get longer and longer it used to be excruciating to ride your bike longer than two hours like oh my god I'm going insane like what do I do with myself I you know it's like I got to get off this bike by the end of the season as you're ramping up and getting ready for something like Ironman you're on your bike five six seven hours and you're like oh just two more hours on the bike I've been on six already like that ain't nothing but a thing like time bends you know back to the quantum physics of it all it's it's a relative thing it's your relationship with that period of time shifts based upon your proficiency that's right and so I think as you as you as you immerse yourself more and more and more yes you set higher goals for yourself yes you you remove those caps but I think there is something to be said for doing it in a in a kind of responsible manner so that you don't hurt yourself do you know what I mean right so yeah maybe you can do 50 irons in 50 states in 50 days I'm not gonna tell CEO Charlie he can't but you probably can't do it tomorrow right okay that's all I'm saying definitely yeah so so let's talk a little bit about the service aspect of this like you're on this personal journey for yourself becoming an athlete mm-hmm but where does this idea of like okay I'm not a music manager anymore I want to share my story like and and you've alluded to like this torch thing relay yeah you and all this other kind of stuff like this is news to me like tell me like in your marketing genius you know men are like how this is unfolding for you so it all is stimulated by me wanting to have a community like I moved out to California and not gonna lie like I'm pretty lonely like because I'm very protective of my energy now like who I'm around and I'm not like a super social like networking type guy so I'm just gonna build the community that I wish existed my life like I'm gonna do awesome things put that out to the world and then the awesome people I want to attract will just come to me and I'm like if I go big I'm gonna attract the big people like I'm gonna attract the people who want it like I want to bike with you like I'm prepared to go by myself across the country like that's fine but I know if I put that out to the world then people are gonna be like man I want to do some of it with you like I'll do the first hundred miles or I'll do the first thousand miles with you and I just want to surround myself I want a community I want friends who think like me who talk like me and I figured the best way of doing that is if I if I do it if I just lead and everybody will come and I want to do these things to let people know that you know like what we talked about like my story isn't over yet like that's the thing like we all feel that way you know like you didn't come this far just to come this far you know how like like that's the thing and and I just I want to like I heard this motivational speaker his name is Jeremy Anderson he was given this analogy between a caterpillar and a butterfly and he said the caterpillar is ugly because the caterpillar is just a consumer and he said the butterfly is beautiful because it's of service to the earth it transplants the pollen and Mike trees get planted because of the butterfly and the caterpillar just eats stuff I'm like wow the butterfly is beautiful it's doing something for the world and I've always wanted to be you know attractive and I figured like I figured if I give that makes me more attractive like I want a wife you know like you have you know I wanna I want a beautiful family like you have and I don't feel any of that has come into my life yet because I wasn't who I was supposed to be so I transform and now I'm gonna put out and then all the right people are gonna walk right into my life the lighthouse done lighthouse that's the lighthouse the lighthouse doesn't move around up and down the shore mmm looking for looking for a crowd it just stays right where it is right that's what's the beacon out like that that's the goal well I'm excited for you dude anything cool yeah it's cool it's cool to see you on this journey and and I like that you know I like that the quantum physics spiritual component to this because there's more play than we can see and we tend to think as human beings that that our senses are attuned enough that we can perceive the world exactly as it is and I think we don't appreciate the extent to which that is a very false and limited assumption and you know your energy I'm sure is very different one thing I wanted to ask you about is like what is so what's going on with like your homeboys back home and like did you just like go off the radar to them are like where where are they with like your life changes they wrote me on there on there like a like cuz I remember when I when I told 2 Chainz I was like I was like this isn't my practice life this is the one he said that really stuck with him when I said that like this isn't my practice life and when I told him what I want to do like in the roots like I want to be an athlete they were just like yeah go for her like you know like we're disappointed that you know like we're not gonna be you know a part of your life of that like I separated from the business but you know we're friends and brothers and I love I love them to death and you know they still have my mind they don't have my hands but they have my mind and my mind is actually gonna be better for them now than it ever was before and I can help them mark it and help them come up with great ideas and it's nice being in a position where I'm not asking for anything in return like I'm mentoring like 30 different people right now just and I'm like wild like this feels amazing like to like help somebody and not ask anything in return oh man I think I could get used to this yeah and I never experienced that everything was always about money mm-hmm but yeah so in the context of mentoring people you know a good way that I always kind of like to close these these conversations down is to talk a little bit about you know what you're you know what what you say to somebody who is stuck who's in that place where you were in that vicious cycle like you tried all these diets you couldn't find your way out you're running your but you're gaining weight you go vegan you gain weight like how do you speak to that person who's in that place and how do you speak to these people that you're mentoring to kind of kickstart them into a new way of thinking and behaving okay this is a conversation I had with a young lady who lives in Louisiana I was helping her and I told her that I told I told her that she was put on this earth for a reason and she's she's she's a Christian and she believes in God and I told her you God put you on this earth for a reason and that's your that's your purpose okay and you have a gift and that's your purpose and I have an extreme view of what a distraction is a distraction is the devil that's dressed up as a distraction and it's evil because anything that takes you away from your purpose in life is evil anything that takes you away from your purpose is evil because we were put here to do something and and and God or the universe wants you to fulfill that and at first you have to know what that purpose is you know those people are very far from understanding that thang I said that's a deeper subject this this this girl she knows that she has a talent of music like she's she's very talented and she just doesn't know how to go about it but she's been distracted and she's been distracted by herself she's been distracted by the people she she allows around her like there's so many things taking her away and when I put it in the perspective of oh that distraction is evil I was like okay you got to make a decision well which one are you gonna do you're like you're a woman of God like you're gonna you're gonna decide with evil today is eat mystic distractions yeah it's like it might be a it might just be on Instagram like just like scrolling through and now she's gonna be able to have a conversation with herself like is this taking me towards my purpose it's like how I did the Dead or Alive like she's gonna be like well is this purpose or is this that evil thing Charlie said oh this isn't oh yeah boom I need to go that way yeah there's something about the binary aspect of that and the rule thing that we were talking about earlier and and really understanding that that this idea that that our lives can be static or that there is some form of stasis in our lives which I think to some extent we all we all kind of carry around and believe on some level is a myth it's it's an illusion because in every thought that you entertain every conversation that you have every interaction every decision that you make every behavior that you engage in is either moving you in the direction of fulfilling that purpose or helping you to become healthier more self actualized helping you to grow or it's moving you away from that right it's moving you into a regressive state and so scrolling through Instagram is that really a productive use of your time well it's kind of benign but is it right if your time crunch time is the ultimate commodity this is what garyvee always talks about it's about time right how are you how are you exercising yourself in the limited confines of time hmm and when you know it your purposes even if you don't I think that that that having a level of mindfulness an extreme level of mindfulness around that is the differentiator between people who actually achieve their goals and people who end up sort of settling because those are the people who will say they don't have time and we do have time it's a question of what is important to you and how you're prioritizing that allocation definitely and something just popped up in my head about the purpose thing and I think I know how to solve that issue for everybody uh-huh you know where charlie rocket cuz you're wearing the Charlie Rocket headband both so actually neither neither of them is me um it's just my marketing mind going to work so my friend asked me yesterday we were talking about he was like charlie like you really got up my roommate actually he's like Charlie you really got to help people find their purpose and he's like you should put together like a step-by-step guide and I'm like a list or God can't solve this problem and then it hit me when I was explaining it to him and it took me back to the example of the four-minute mile example of like oh is this impossible thing that nobody could do everybody's tried and then once one person did it everybody else just broke that record and I was like oh okay so if this purpose thing for a lot of people seems impossible to find or do people just have to see it done so I was like how about we just tell a whole bunch of stories find okay if there's like 12 different personality types in the world like me telling my story might not like effect like a woman like who has a different personality type so it's like okay we need to take every personality type in the world and then we need to find stories of how those certain people's success stories of how those people found their purpose and if somebody who's sitting behind the computer screen can see somebody like them who they can truly relate to and just see that that person found it and how they did it through a story instead of a list like we're reading like a nonfiction book but just like a story then once somebody sees it then people can do it all the time just like the four-minute model well it goes back to what we were saying before the most powerful thing is an incredible story well told right and that's going to always trump some list of things to do you know the quest finding your purpose or unlocking what is most important to you so that you can live a meaningful purposeful life of service is an incredibly personal thing and you know there may be 12 personality types but there's an infinite number of specific unique life paths but you can't tell something that is for yeah but the story is like the permission this so I look at like Google in data or books or anything you search on Google as information for the mind like it's a search engine for your head right gaining knowledge but when we hear an amazing story it's like a search engine to the heart and it's not verbatim what that person is saying but it starts conversations inside of yourself and that's what we need more of we don't need more information we need more things that start inner conversations and that's where the purpose comes from the purpose doesn't come from oh this person did this the purpose comes from Wow I'm starting to have an inner conversation and then I find the answer within and I think that's what stories do I agree with that purpose is entirely a hard thing and it's about connection with self and that that that the heart is the conduit to that I think most people are very disconnected from their heart and disconnected from themselves and when pressed to decide or articulate what they're our purpose is or what their mission is they're just grasping at straws and choosing something that is is very likely not correct because of that disconnection and in order to make that connection that again is a very personal thing there is no list like oh sit down and connect with your heart like you can't tell somebody to do that you have to impact them in a in a fundamentally emotional way and storytelling does that you know what did it for me and I realized it this morning what's up Moana Moana Moana I realized that this morning cuz that that movie I loved it so much but I watched it this time last year when I was really sick and Moana kept it being called to the ocean and then it was pulling her back but she wanted to go but everybody kept pulling her back and then she went into this distant land away from home and she had to essentially slay the dragon and figure it out on her own away from everybody that had been trying to help her and she went and conquered that and then she came back to save everybody else that's my story that's the hero's journey yeah you know that's a very Joseph Campbell orchid you know archetype of the hero's journey and that is your story you know and and and that's my story as well I mean I think that's the story of everybody who's done that internal search mmm Anna had to wrestle with those things you know themselves in solitary um you know to to figure out who they are so that they could come back to the world and have something to give Yeah right man thank you for being you thank you for being you for this world I appreciate that we really really appreciate you like like me and my best friend Scott like we idolize you and we're like man where does which role run we just need to run wherever you run so like we Kaseem cuz we look at you as like a superhero like yeah that's the thing man like I'm just a dude to like don't worry too much you know but we'll go out and do some running man I've told you like dirt maja knows just out there this morning can't wait meet you up there we'll do a little training how does that sound deal Yeah right on my man cool dude all right well that was great dude how do you feel amazing you feel good some rituals you know that's a big deal no it's gonna be good dude thank you so if people want to connect with you and cheer you on yes what's the best way for them to do that Instagram Charlie jab Ally on Instagram that CH AR li e j ay ba le Y right and if if people want to learn more about this like torch relay thing and all of that is that just just stating in your mind or is there anything online where people can you know tap into your solar scene dude and and help help you to create this community that you seek so I took a one-year social media fast I got off I got off all social media to reinvent in 2017 I did this post-it note and I put it on my fridge rater and it was contract to myself and I said I want to do an Ironman and I'm gonna become top 1% of athletes in the world and I got off social media and and I'll be back on social media January 1st 2018 so yes if you follow me everything will be posted and you'll see a lot of you'll see a lot of my missions that I'm on in life cool and just to close it down maybe one last thought to the person out there that still struggles if if you're rock bottom if you're if you're rock bottom and in a really really really bad place please email me I will help you CEO charlie at gmail.com I will I really want to only deal with people who are severely rock bottom like I was and this is this is this is my new life so I would love to help anybody who is where I was because I didn't have anybody who was like me like I couldn't find anything on the inner of like people who exercised and gained weight like I didn't have any answer so if you really really are rock bottom please email me and I'll be there for you you might be getting quite a few emails that's perfectly fine I got plenty of time awesome dude you're an inspiration I can't wait to see where you take this and I'm excited for you Charlie thank you rich thanks for joining the podcast especially are you talking to you yeah man peace my main players

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Length: 107min 48sec (6468 seconds)

Published: Sun Jan 07 2018