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Mormons came to my door okay they knocked on my door and we started talking wait you think they'd have my address like on a blacklist or something but they they came to my door yeah you know and two very nice guys come to my door knock on the door and we just start talking we talked for about half an hour you know we just engaged in a conversation and and I told them my struggle is if you started with this would you ever come up with your belief system and and I said okay so you believe that God has a father and that that father has a father and he has a father so so there's a great grandfather God great great great grandfather God right and they said yes we believe that there's a whole lineage of them and I said okay and you so where is grandfather right now they go we're not worried about him he's somewhere but we're not worried about him okay and they all became God like they weren't God to begin with no they weren't God to begin with they became God and so there's just this linea so Jesus became God and God the Father became God and you guys are gonna become gods they're like yes and I said are you gods right now they're gonna know we're sons of God and I go but you believe that your eternal I go so you were you eternally sons of God because know eternally we were just some sort of matter and then at some point we're given a soul and then we're given a body and then we're gonna become like God is now and I said is so hard to get from this book I go if I read just read this book I would think that God was eternal that there's just one god that's always been and that he didn't change that he was the same yesterday today and forever that he always was gone there's just one I mean I would just naturally like II you read I don't know how you can make any clearer and and I said so that's my struggle with this and I and I said let's take the issue of even some of the other beliefs that you have Michael let's take blacks that guys you guys didn't allow blacks into the priesthood until when and he said 1979 I said because you believed they were cursed by God right because yeah that was the mark of God's curse was their black skin and I said okay well now how about how about me I said I'm not not black I mean summer I get pretty dark you know III but you know just honestly I go seriously I go what what shade of black you know and they said well any shade I asked so the whiter you are you know the more pure he goes yeah any any pick and he's any color showed that there was some of that in your background and showed that you were part of those who receive this this curse from God and I said in isn't it strange to you that that ban was lifted in 1979 you know after the they're like no it makes perfect sense to me and I go I thought that's C I go I can't get that I I can't get that from here like like again they go no you can make it you I said I can't get your your Book of Mormon and and mixing this together because oh yeah you can if you could see the big picture we went into all different issues I even had my daughter I said oh you know honey you got to come listen to this cuz I've not wanted her I wanted her to learn I go I want you to understand you know and and we're going back and forth like oh here's my problem is I would never put I would never just read this and then put it down and go okay I I need to become God I need to you know go in the succession and and and everything else I would just think know there's this creator who just made me and I just bowed out him I just worship Him and and this Jesus it's all about him and and I'm not gonna become like him one day you know there there'll be you know this this the sense in which I'm given a new body in this yeah but I wouldn't come up with this whole theology if I started with this sure you can take this verse here and this verse here and mix it all and create this theology but you'd never if you started this way it was no similar it was no different than some jobs witnesses that came to my door and and when they were I go here's my struggle I go again and I like you guys III I'm I'm trying to I'm not trying to be facetious here or whatever else I'm just trying to understand how you think I go because you guys are teaching that that Jesus is is one of the Archangels you know you're teaching that Jesus is is the same person as Michael the Archangel and the in the Old Testament and and explain but but Michael was just one of the chief Prince's and and then showed him Daniel 10:13 where it says that Michael was one of the chief Prince's and goes why I never noticed that I go well now if you notice I mean what does that do I go here again my point is not here let me show you this or let me question this one detail about your theology my point is is you'd never open this book read it from cover to cover 20 times and go you know what Jesus is Michael the Archangel you'd never get that seriously it's it's not like something that's gonna that's not what you're gonna get just like you're not gonna get you know the the whole succession of gods and on and on and on that's not what you would come to what is what is what would you come to through exegesis through reading this book and just okay what's the truth see and I told him look you you could I screw up I go I feel bad for you grew up in a system you were told this way and I can't imagine how hard it would be for you tonight to get by yourself not even the two of you together just alone with God I don't think you really believe this when you're alone and I said that I can't imagine you really do before the Holy Spirit before the Scriptures it's you alone could you please just consider getting alone and reading this book and studying this book and and being open the Holy Spirit saying whatever it says I'm gonna do and I'm gonna obey we just try that rather than the system you were brought into that's a really difficult thing to do when you're brought up a certain way now we'll listen to those examples and you'll go right on right on right on okay but now I want to challenge your upbringing even in the evangelical church even what we're doing right now because this is what I've been struggling with for the last couple of years if I started with Scripture let's be fair let's be fair to everyone let's be fair to jovis witness it be fair to the Mormons and let's look at ourselves and go if you started with this book is this the type of gathering you would have come up with

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Length: 6min 57sec (417 seconds)

Published: Sat Feb 22 2014