Fr. Josiah Trenham Interview - Orthodox wisdom and advice for men who want to live the faith

[Music] hello Antiochian men this is michael ballack president of the Antiochian men and with me today I have a very special guest I have father Josiah Trenholm here and I'm sitting in your office father this is a wonderful blessing we have been doing a video interview series but I am here to do the interview with father Josiah in the flesh today so I am in Riverside California happened to be in town so father thank you very much for doing this interview thank you Michael and hello auntie okay men I wanted to ask you a question I've wanted to ask for a long time to start out with as you know my father's a priest you know him well father Timothy bocklage he is a convert to orthodoxy as I'm sure you know both of my parents actually converted and I believe that you are also convert and I've always wanted to ask you how did you find orthodoxy what led you to the Orthodox Church you know the mercy of God found me when I was 8 years old I had a buddy that I played t-ball with his name is Paul pentakus he's a physician now in San Diego but we were on the same little league team a little t-ball team and he was Orthodox and sometimes I would spend the night at his house that's on Saturday night sometimes he would spend the night at my house and when I spent the night in his house he would take me to his church and I had an experience as an eight year old believe it or not I was I was in his parish which was st. Anthony Church in Pasadena here in Southern California and at the end of the service all the young boys the Sunday school boys were going up first and they were taking the ante thorough from the priest and kissing his hand and taking that blessed bread and then walking on it I had never done that before but it looked interesting so I got behind the voice and I kissed the priests and took the bread when I kissed the priests hand it was like lightning bolts that's the only way I can describe it lightning bolts shooting out of my mouth and I remember on I see it now thinking about that even though this was 44 years ago I was in a daze walking out into the Sun at the end of the sunday liturgy it was totally shocking experience like that touching divine energy and I didn't think much about it I had no ability to process it for ten years ten years later I'm at the University and I met my wife and she comes for she had been raised in a Methodist family the youngest of six children two of her older brothers had gone off to Wheaton College and had studied some religion classes there with a professor who was a great devotee of Orthodox worship and he had his students visit Orthodox churches and both of these what would become my brothers-in-law became Orthodox and so when I began to court Katherine they began to send me some messages they did not want their sister marrying a Presbyterian boy a Calvinist in the family was that what they wanted and and that began a conversation that really blossomed into us visiting the local Orthodox Church there and reading books and meeting a one a lot of wonderful Orthodox Christians and eventually together worth it oh that's a wonderful story thanks for sharing that that's wonderful to finally hear your story finding orthodoxy it's beautiful father I know you've been blessed with a wonderful family I know some of your children pretty well I know of I think almost all of them and I think many people are aware that you have a lot of children I was wondering if you would tell us and especially men watching this video I think a lot of men would be interested in your perspective especially raising as many children as you have not only in the Orthodox faith but as a priest one thing we spoke about recently is the fact that I'm the son of a priest and I can understand the ciao does that come with being a pastor of a church and the demands that come with parish life and those challenges again I saw from my point of view with my father the struggles that he had trying to balance the time he was spending with my mom and of me and then also being able to run urgently to the hospital for someone that may be facing near death things of that nature where you have to drop everything and be available to people the church many of the men almost all of them probably watching this video maybe don't have situations that are that extreme but I think that we would all be eager to hear any wisdom that you can give us for especially the fathers that are out there how to keep a balanced life and a balanced spiritual life when when faced with the intimidating prospect of raising children in the church Michael this is a wonderful subject and exceedingly important subject marriage and parenting and child rearing is at an all-time low in American history when I was born the vast majority of American homes had a father a mother and children in them even here in California when I was born 75 percent of all homes had a mother father and children today across America it's a minority it's less than 50 percents around 46% today which means that it's not normative so for us to we who are Christians who believe marriage is a Holy Sacrament a divine mystery a place of transformation for people and who believe that childbearing is not just a biological reality but it's a central way of fulfilling the Great Commission to make disciples of all the nations and to multiply the image of God and manifest his glory in the whole world we really need to talk about this because we're not going to get props and encouragement from the culture in fact we're going to have just the opposite a lot of temptations not to be able to live out our calling marriage is from parent is from God you know Jesus chose to perform his first miracle and away and the miracle was very telling he took the common stuff of life water and he turned it into the finest wine it was a symbol for all from that time until now of what his presence in the natural reality of marriage can actually do it can transform a couple it can take the common everyday things of you know maintaining a house and working and eating and cleaning it can turn those things into transformative moments where the kingdom of God invades and the real valuable stuff of life faith love loyalty endurance cross bearing the things that please God and that form a man or a woman into being what they're gonna be forever this is this takes place miraculously in marriage and it can't be replaced by anything else the only alternative for an Orthodox is to aspire so much for a marriage with God that they become a monk or not but the church really doesn't know a third way we live in community and we learn live with Jesus at the center and that's what the potential of marriage is and they have to be like of a beautiful plant marriage is a plant that God gives us that has to be cultivated it has to be watered it has to be put into the Sun it has to be weeded if weeds grow I have to be fertilized I was talking with some recently about the fertilization process in marriage and they said to me what does that mean father does that mean the crap of life and marriage and half turns into beautiful things I said yes exactly what so marriage is an incredible mystery and for us at the very heart of marriage I recently read through the crowning service which I do whenever I'm preparing couples for for getting married I have them actually read through it four times in operation for getting married so that they can be familiar with the prayers and they can pray through their own sacrament and not kind of be dazed because it's the first time that they're hearing it and the reference is from beginning to end to the glory of procreation and the dignity of childbearing are consistent from beginning to end we ask a blessing upon them that they would be fruitful and multiply and I'll point out the first words that Adam ever heard Adam and Eve ever heard from God the first words that went into a human ear be fruitful and multiply that's how important this process this is to have a child to is such a significant event that child becomes a perpetual witness to the one flesh Union of that couple that child is an eternal being that child will always exist and it will always exist as a witness to the love the the embraces of affection between the husband and the wife the child may have you know the husband's ears the wife's nose whatever but the point is it's one flesh from two and a miracle took place for that child to be born sometimes in our secular age we think human beings aren't just biological realities but they're much more than that human beings are creations from God and to have a child is a miracle there's a refrain in the scriptures and it goes like this God opened the womb and sometimes that reverse and God shut the womb it shows that the Lord isn't just the master and arranger of marriages but he's also the one who oversees children we pray in the wedding service that the Lord would grant children quote as is expedient for the couple we trust the Lord that he knows should a family be large or a family be small so I can't have any children some are very capable of having many children and God knows we can trust them with that that's a beautiful response and as you were talking it's reminded me of something that I learn with my experience with the Antioquia man and we're obviously focused on men in the church and our important role as fathers and and that we are to be co-creators with God and that that male creative energy is something that is designed into us by God and something that for I think most of my life I really took that for granted or didn't think about the connection between the importance of that creative force because the devil will take that creative force and diverted off course and and try to trick us into thinking that we can use that creative force for other things that are not godly I've fallen into that trap there was a recent homily you gave I listened to your podcast on ancient faith radio and you have the arena podcast which I know some of the men watching this make me familiar with in one of your recent homilies you you spoke about this concept of learned helplessness and that really really struck me because it reminded me so much of things that I could relate to in my past where I assumed that because a habitual sin of mine was not being squashed like I think the way you put it it's like a snake that you have to hit on the head a thousand times and you're hitting it 500 times and you're getting tired and you just give up you used a word that is a spiritual illness and it's I think you called it a paralyzing apathy yes well khadiyah is the rock ideas I couldn't remember the word but that that stuck with me because you were describing what I think a lot of men struggle with and it's it's it's a very difficult walk in our culture today for especially men the stress the pressures that we have to provide for a family to be confused sometimes about what we're expected to be in the world in society and that can often lead to what is so often happen in my past where you just want to give up because you feel like you cannot avoid the temptation like this and what you said in that podcast is the only way to squash that to put it down is through growing your faith growing in faith and then faith is something that must be grown I was hoping that you could perhaps talk to the men about the importance of facing what we think might be just a a insurmountable challenge with some of the temptations that we are facing every single day as a man maybe give us some wisdom on what we can do to not get discouraged and to give up as so many times often happens oh Michael I'm full of enthusiasm to answer this question because this at the heart of the question is who is God this is the heart of the question we serve the Living God and with God there is nothing that is impossible everything is possible with God the despair that hovers over us like a dark cloud that speaks to us that human beings are static that if you were a sinner in the past you're not going to be able to change if someone was repeatedly meaning mean to you that's just how they are and they're never going to change those are lies based upon an assumption that God doesn't exist it isn't interacting with human beings God is alive and his faithfulness this to us is fresh every single morning every day that breaks out upon us is an opportunity for change for newness there's an incredible Psalm I love it it it's in the praises so if we listen carefully nor force we can find it and hear it it's the first verse of Psalm 149 and it says sing a new song to the Lord all the earth sing a new song every day for us is an opportunity to take the stuff of life that God carefully arranges for us remember that there's no aspect of our life that his hands not in sometimes we say oh well it's just moving according to natural law what is natural law natural laws of God doing the same thing the same way in order to give us some stability in life doesn't mean that he's not involved in it he's intimately involved in it the fact that I'm breathing is because his hands is upon me enabling with my respiration to come to go and the moment he stops I die he's as close to me now as he always has been his presence makes possibility of Jeff tear up and to take that day to take the freshness of every day and to try to go into life with God not living by ourselves as though our individuals on some Island and we have to go find God but experiencing Eucharistic reality that God is with us you know when we receive the Eucharist and you listen to the prayers of Thanksgiving afterward it talks about the Lord going into an three muscle fiber every aspect of our bodies our minds our harps our bodies our bones yeah he's completely permeating our existence which means that their possibilities for us today if we remember that are absolutely limitless we can weave the stuff of today into a new song every day we can come to the end of the day having danced with God and when we remember that we made tremendous progress he is more powerful than our passions this is the witness of all the icons on the walls all of them are saying to us look what you can become look how much God loves you he doesn't disdain any one man woman older young educated not educated rich poor doesn't matter if they have a heart that's open to God look what you can become that's that's hitting the nail on the head with what we're focused on in the Antioquia men because our goal is to become like God it's that theosis the deification process that takes a lifetime that is the goal of every word that Christian as you know so often we can we can sometimes forget that we as human beings were made and intended to be so much more and falling short of what we were intended to be it's not what we have to choose to stay we can and you know Michael you don't have to escape yes the common stuff of life to be transformed a mom who gets awakened by a baby screaming in the middle of the night doesn't have to think that's drudgery no she can say to herself this is my hour this is my what can justify a mother lovingly getting up and attending to her child and putting the need of her child above her own bodies screams except the love of God yes that isn't a significant act that is a step towards sanctity yes changing a diaper whoo-hoo more than Christ was willing to descend into our forgive our Kaka in order to clean us that's right more than him this is just a little small symbol of something that he does every single day to live with us in our mess in order to wash us in order to make us clean if we do it with him that's common stuff of life a husband getting up saying his prayers eating his breakfast going to work working hard and coming down coming back to his family to the embraces of his wife that is a significant act yes that is piety it can be done and that can shake the world you know marriages family life see Ambrose of me long the great fourth century church father the spiritual father of st. Agustin who converted st. Augustus by his incredible preaching which was in both Greek and Latin the man was an amazing man he once was asked how is it that we can fulfill the mission of Christ to convert and he said there's two ways you can do it by preaching the gospel to the pagans catechizing them and baptizing them which we have always done and we're absolutely committed to do it and number two Christian husbands and wives can love each other raise families together and teach their children through the common stuff of life how to love God he's an inn of the two the latter is the most effective and fulfilling the Great Commission why because you take a pagan like myself I wasn't a pagan but I was an unorthodox Christian there's a lot that I had to go through you had to kiss him I had to unwind myself and then rewind myself and it took a long time it was an extensive process when you raise a child you have the opportunity to teach them 365 days a year for 18 years on how to love each other how to forgive how not to hold a grudge how to show respect even to those who aren't respectful how to love an enemy how to revere the elderly how to be sensitive to a child all of those things they're in the school of the home and they just they're just saturated with this and you have the chance then of really birthing from yourself people who are going to be able to take a stand for the kingdom of God in their lives through your family life that's a wonderful answer and it really made me think about the home environment that I was raised in with two loving parents that were Orthodox Christians that gave me that strong foundation that later in life I started learning more and more about it falling deeper and deeper in love with my faith and it's that catechism is never over even for those that have only been Orthodox it's ongoing you know one issue that in the Antiochian manner you're aware that I'm from the Diocese of Miami in the southeast I used to be on the West Coast you remember oh yes I do when I lived here as a young man but now living in the southeast you know Bishop Nicholas has has really identified that we're facing challenges as a church especially with our young men and a scary statistic that he's shared and you're probably aware of this six out of ten young men when they leave high school and go to college don't come back to the church and when I heard that something about me knew that that was true but was still shocking and it was disturbing and it made me sad because I know personally some of those young men that did leave the church and haven't come back I see it around me that the churches sometimes have this void of young adults that are just not in the church and young men having been one I know the temptations and the struggles and the challenges and how at the time when I was younger I didn't feel like I even needed the church in my life I didn't feel like there was a place for that what would you say is can you give us some advice what do you think is causing it is there something that we can maybe do as men especially the older men that would like to mentor younger men because that's a big focus it's mentorship with the Antiochian man what can we begin to do can you give us some tips to try to bring some of those younger men back I'll try but let me say first how delighted I am that your Bishop His grace Bishop Nicholas is so focused on this what a blessing I was able to see his grace Bishop Nicholas this last summer at the convention in Michigan our Antiochian convention and we shared an elevator ride and that time I was able to ask him how he was it he myself and he was able to share with me some of the very very exciting initiatives that are in his mind that God has put into his heart what a blessing to have a bishop like that and concerned like that and to take his suggestions and under his guidance and then to flesh them out this is a beautiful reality and God blessed that interaction and that collaboration that you're having Michael and men are having with His grace we should make this you know the statistics are horrifying one of the needs of the hour is for the Orthodox churches throughout the United States all of us all of our parishes all of our bishops to honestly document our current reality speak about it out loud document this staff document our divorce stats document our baptism stats and relationship to our our funeral staffs there's a lot of statistics that that we need that anyone responds who feels responsible for ministry simply has to have and we don't have them we need them we have to have courage to look at the numbers because you can't solve a problem that you can't identify this is a problem that is very identifiable why is it that so many young people when they leave high school fail to make the transition from having an adolescent's faith to a young adults faith that's the bridge that must be traveled over one of the main reasons is because the secular university has become an enemy of the church the university has become a place where especially the secular universities which is the vast majority of universities in America the majority majority of those universities aren't just tolerant of believers there they are hostile towards faith I have two sons right now or at Berkeley have a son is a senior there and a son who's a freshman there I'm not against saying that we can't go to secular universities but you can't go to a secular University naively and keep your faith right the only way that you can go to university get something good out of it and develop your faith at the same time is if you go in with your eyes wide open and you recognize if you make yourself a disciple of professors who are promoting Marxism who are promoting atheism who are stigmatizing people of faith as though they're bigots if if you don't know that that's going on before you go and you cannot even to go and you put yourself under the tutelage you will lose your faith so if we're gonna go we have to do what great Saints have what was done when they go into hostile educational environments think of the prophet Daniel prophet Daniel was kidnapped by the Babylonians and then he was submitted to a full indoctrination in the language and the literature of the Babylonians but he did it with a huge emphasis on his faith he kept his daily prayer rule he kept his fasting he studied the law of God so as a Jewish young man he kept his faith preeminent and he refused to compromise it's a matter of fact one of the reasons that he got thrown into the den of lions is because he refused to not to give up his prayer rule the King said you can't pray to any God with me and Daniel said sorry and he continued doing kneeling facing the east facing Jerusalem three times a day to do this prayer that was his rule and he didn't change it even when his life was on the line and he what happened not only did he keep his faith but he was actually able to transform Babylonian culture and to godly culture through his influence that kind of mentality is the mentality that our young people have to have when they go into a secular University they have to tell themselves I can't just read what my professors asked me to read I can't just go to cultural events and parties that are fashioned in a secular won't know first I have to go and nourish my faith above everything else which means as soon as I leave not as something goes by what I don't find out where I go to church and don't go to a university where we don't have a strong parish right there are some places still where there are universities where there aren't strong marriages I'm sorry I don't think we should go to these University go to the universities where there are strong parishes where you have to have an active liturgical life and where you have a community that you can serve and remain yourself what Christian is there he doesn't serve people he doesn't use his gifts there's no such thing yeah no such thing so we have to make wise choices at where we go and then when we go there we have to do what Moses did plunder the Egyptians you have to go there you have to learn everything that they're teaching you if you want to be an engineer fine learn engineering but use it for God you want to become a historian fine but study sacred history to read biblical history read the scriptures you want a study ethics you want to study psychology find them sure that you're studying the Church's position and take everything that you're learning and put it through the sieve of the church to give the church is the guardian of truth not the university right there's no promise that Jesus makes at the universities that they will guard the truth and lead you into all the truth no no you made that promise to the church so when you go to university it's gonna be a secular University of not a Christian University study but you got a study double time read your scriptures talk to your priest about things that you're learning that you think may have some conflict with your faith yeah do the extra worth to study and figure out how you can express science in a way that is actually accurate and consonant with faith and for people like yourself Michael who are a talented young businessman forgiving we need to build Orthodox schools we need Orthodox universities yes it is an utter total disgrace that we are giving our money so many wealthy you know the Orthodox community in America of all types of Christians is the wealthiest and the most educated of any Christians we have more money and we have more education in Catholics and evangelicals than mainline Protestants but in contrast to them we don't have our own universities and we don't have our own hospitals why because we've lacked a vision of maturing ourselves in this way and we need to stop we need initiatives we need initiatives from our bishops to build schools and colleges and then we need to sacrifice we need to ask God's blessing on our businesses and we need to donate the offerings that he gives us in order to establish orthotics universities that can support the life of faith in our young people definitely that's a great response and I think us especially the advice that you gave about how to approach a secular University keeping in mind what our faith teaches us it's so important and the things that we do learn can be used to horrify God and to help strengthen the church going through business classes I could see applications as I was studying them so that's such a key point father I just had one more question for you and it was more just only one only one more I want to take your entire evening tonight but I'm very aware of the the patristic nectar new ministry that you have been been doing and I was hoping that you would tell the men watching this video about what patristic nectar is how did it start what are the goals what can men especially get out of it or just people in general patristic nectar publications is a non-profit educational ministry its goal is to nourish people who are spiritually thirsty with sacred orthodoxy with what we call the rich tweet teachings the sweet teachings of the Holy Fathers the goal is to provide the theology of the church in high-quality digital media into the pockets the phones the computers where our people are living to connect them to our faith and to solid teachers so for an example what I've tried to do is gather lectures not just from myself been affected all of the patristic neglect their lecture patristic major publications library and we have hundreds of offerings I think we're about up to 170 different offers many of those are multi lecture series on everything from Christology who is Jesus to catechism to marriage cultivation to parenting to overcoming certain passions like anger and we have a multiplicity of speakers and teachers what's common to all the teachers is that there are all faithful Orthodox Christians who are very well educated they're all doctors of petrology they're all doctors of the church fathers but they're also virtuous men who are humble before the church they don't think they know more than the church there's a lot of academics a lot of academics who are Orthodox but that doesn't necessarily mean that they haven't taken on the spirit of the Academy and become smarter than the church want to revise everything they think somehow that to study the writings of the Saints is it's not enough we have to come up with something new and that's really driven by the secular Academy to get a PhD today you have to do something new you have to do something original and that's really dangerous in the area of theology right so PNP one of all things of a few of our recent initiatives one of the initiatives that I'm most excited about right now is that we have been professionally recorded we hired a voice and a studio to professionally record the live scenes from every day and we are reading the lives of the saints not in just short paragraphs that you might find on other good sites like ancient faith radio or at church when you're listening to orthros we read a small life of the saint now these are from a six-volume each volume is about 5 to 30 pages long a six-volume lives of the Saints in English that originally was published on Mount Athos at the monastery of Simoneau Petra and has been kept in the English language by Sebastian press which is overseen by His grace Bishop Maxime of the Serbian diocese here in the West we gave me his blessing to record the lives of the Saints and it's all for free so you can go on and you can be driving in your car and you can listen to these high-quality professional recordings of the lives of the Saints and you can see what it means to be a true Christian it's watering their soul so we're about halfway done we started in May every we're keeping one day ahead of the calendar so we've got six months done it's costing me a chunk of change I bet I got a grant for $15,000 to start it but I'm looking for donors Michael or not to finish we have to finish because once it's done we'll have the entire year done and it could be used and accessed by fathers mothers children on their phones or on their computer as soon as that's done if God blesses we're going to then start another project and this project is going to be the same professional recording done at a studio of the Bible itself and we're going to have multiple tracks we're gonna have read through the Bible in the year track so if you want to read or listen to the Bible being read a little bit so that you read through the entire Bible in a year you can listen to that try another is the daily readings the Epistle and the gospel of the day another is to read through the New Testament in three times for the entire year and you'll be able to pick on you're only a PNP app you'll be able to pick which Bible story what Bible text you would like to read or have read to you that day so great we have a lot of excellent things that are going on I'm hoping that it will continue to blossom tell the men watching this video and anyone that's watching if they're interested in in looking at the content that's already available with the Trib nectar publishing where can they go to watch it well on the web it's patristic nectar org okay terrific nectar org you also can go through your browser either go through Safari or go through Google Chrome and simply type in patristic nectar org it will come up and then you can put the share button and add to your home screen and the app will come on to your home screen you simply go through that app you put in your email and a password you'll automatically have an account which then gives you access to our sacred music collection to theological lectures to the Philip Kalia we are actually digitizing and recording the volumes of the fee locally amounts to you can search the matically for topics that you might want to study they may be lectures on this part of the Bible or that part of the Bible or they may be themes like true love and marriage or how to get old in a godly way we have all sorts of different you can also search by author so you can see a collection of our authors like for the maximals Constance or Bishop II Renee steam burn or father coletek Berger one of the great Antiochian teachers of our time you can see all of that on your app on your phone you also can go to youtube and go to our patristic nectar films channel we produce a small video film it's usually 8 to 10 minutes long every Friday we also have some longer interviews with significant Christian figures of our own time like his Excellency Archbishop south or Cortney Leone the Roman Catholic Archbishop of San Francisco who did an interview with us on same-sex marriage and why that's an impossible ride he is a very influential Catholic theologian and bishop who has been leading the Catholic response against same-sex marriage or dr. Wesley Hill who's a young but budding Protestant theologian on the question of same-sex attraction he himself is a man who has had strong same-sex attraction for most of his life but is more than defining himself by his passions is a devout Christian and did an interview with us called gay and Christian forging a life of integrity those kinds of interactive videos are on our PNP video channel that's great you know we've we've been able to use digital media to reach out to many many non-orthodox yeah our most watched video for instance is a video called an Orthodox perspective on Roman Catholicism and that has spawned interaction with many many Roman Catholics who are interested in orthodoxy and many who have become Orthodox hundreds that's wonderful I I'm very motivated to hear this because father sounds like you and I have the same goal you've been doing this for quite some time and I'm just getting started with the Antiochian men but using the good parts of technology to help spread the gospel and help spread it on Michael that's what we have to do and you'll probably end up doing it a lot better than I have done it but let's work together yes definitely I'm very motivated and really inspired by what you've described the last thing you mentioned that you're looking for donors to help finish that initiative if somebody that was watching would like to make a donation how can they donate you know particularly we're trying to raise $15,000 in order to complete the lives of the Saints project which is six more months that's how much it's going to cost us to finish and if you'd like to make a contribution to that you can go on to the patristic nectar site either on your phone or on their computer and you can push the donate button okay on the main screen and that will show that will take you immediately to the donation page and you'll see there a thermometer that shows how far along we are in accomplishing that goal got it that's wonderful well father just I I just appreciate your time you're just taking out time out of your evening you're such a busy busy mother Cuba yeah definitely definitely and I I am going to enjoy hearing feedback from this interview especially but I am I'm just filled with joy to be with you Father and thank you for being such a great partner with us in the early going with the Antiochian men we are we are definitely growing and there's a lot of excitement from the men in the southeast we send you greetings and we're praying of you and you in the entire church thank you and it's it's just a wonderful thing it's a little thing I definitely will not for as long as I'm alive but let me see Antioquia men thank you for joining us for this video interview with father Josiah Trenholm and stay tuned and make sure you subscribe to our YouTube channel we will have plenty more videos where this came from god bless you and we will talk to you again soon [Music] [Music]

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Length: 39min 26sec (2366 seconds)

Published: Sat Nov 16 2019