Dinesh D'Souza - The Case for Christianity - Refuge Service

now let me introduce our special guest he's not a stranger to many of you although there have been a few people who've told me in the first two services they had never heard dinesh speak he's a native of mumbai india he came to the united states first of all on a rotary international scholarship and went to high school we sponsor these international trips through rotary as well we had a group from japan that was supposed to come this year and had to cancel because of covet but think about this that's when dinesh first came to america through that program he received an offer to attend dartmouth university where he graduated with honors that was the beginning of his intellectual advancement he became a scholar in fact the ronald reagan white house asked him to serve as the youngest policy maker in the reagan administration after serving there he moved to california where he became a fellow at the stanford university and then later at the american enterprise institute he became an author beginning in 1991 and has written 15 best-selling books many of them have reached number one on the new york times bestseller list many of those books are available for you in the foyer after we finish today he's already signed them you can pick them up i want to say thank you to roos christian bookstore to ruth and natalie for manning the book table today and tonight dinesh is becoming very well known for the movies that he's making many of you may have seen some of these outstanding movies this morning he's going to be talking to you about the importance of christianity not only in his life but in culture in american culture and you're in for a treat now tonight at six o'clock it'll be something totally different it's going to be about the future of america uh we said before and we've advertised it like this if if you know of nish and you don't like his view on liberty and american government and what we need as a country then you don't want to come back tonight because we've told him share your heart and he's going to talk to you this evening about some things in the very near future that he's involved with that i believe you'll be extremely excited about and i asked him are you going to be able to tell our folks he said absolutely so he's going to talk with you about that tonight doors will open at 5 00 6 00 is when we will begin but this morning you have that privilege of hearing from dinesh d'souza about the christian faith and if you don't know jesus christ as your lord and savior forget anything you've ever heard about politics or this country that's not important what is important is that you know god and listen to dinesh how he came to know the living god we promised his wife debbie that we would keep him safe and so he's not going to be able to be in the foyer after the service this morning but if you come back tonight we're going to have a q a and you'll be able to ask him questions directly after the time that he speaks there'll be no music it'll just be him starting right at 6 but this morning for you and for those who are watching it is our privilege to give a very warm welcome to our special guest dinesh d'souza thank you thank you thank you very much um boy it's such an honor to be here and a privilege and what a crazy time we live in um i know many of us are trying to digest what is going on in our country and what is the impact it's going to have on our lives and our future and our children's future and for me it's a chance to throw my mind back to um the time when i first actually arrived in america i'll tell you just a little bit about my story um i grew up in bombay india now called mumbai and uh india of course has been part of the british was part of the british empire for over 100 years but there were some parts of india that were controlled by the dutch the french and the portuguese the reason my last name is d'souza is portuguese name but i don't have any portuguese ancestry my ancestors were converted to christianity catholicism by portuguese missionaries going back hundreds of years so right about the time that columbus sort of set off this way 1492 a portuguese explorer named vasco de gama went the other way around the cape of good hope to the shores of india and the portuguese missionaries came right behind him and so in those days if indians converted they were all hindus to um christianity they took a christian name that's kind of how i got the souza my first name dinesh classic indian name actually means god of the sun uh this seems sort of impressive to have as a name but it turns out lots of indian names end in esh ramesh and so on and it's all it's god of something god of the day god of this god of that my sister by the way her name is nandani her name means holy cow so there we go when i was 16 i believe 17. um a guy came to my school and gave a talk about this exchange program to america and i went back home and told my family about this and my grandfather was there and he's like what's what's this what's this about america so i said well i'm trying to think about whether i want to apply for this scholarship this this exchange program to to go to america and my grandfather was like don't go and i was like why not he goes because it's too white too many white people and i realized my grandfather had been a little soured by growing up under british colonialism and so he was his prejudice was really against the english but he was transplanting it to america so in any event i arrived 1978 i lived for a year in arizona in a very small town called patagonia kind of on the mexican border and i lived with a host family and i went to school senior class and our school only had 32 students the the senior class did and my host family right after i got there was like dinesh this is awesome we have all the sightseeing planned for you we're going to take you to the grand canyon we're going to take you to tombstone arizona the site of the gun fight at the okay corral and i was like guys that's that sounds awesome but my idea of sightseeing is i want to go to like the supermarket i want to check out like 17 types of cheese and like 40 types of ice cream you know it's i think it's the first thing that strikes the immigrant on coming to america in fact i had this kid in my class in india he applied for the same program but he can get it so he was super bummed and finally i said to him i said hey why are you so eager to go to america he goes i have to move to a country where the poor people are fat so this was the stereotype of american prosperity and and the key point here is that rich people live well everywhere in the world in fact in some ways they live better in other countries but a country is sort of judged by how it treats the ordinary guy the common man and i think what was striking to me and many others is that america is a country in which the ordinary fellow has a pretty good life but i wasn't very thoughtful about america i'd have experiences in america that would sort of stimulate my curiosity and and it was only later in college that i began to think a little bit more about why america is this way what we're talking about is what historians and scholars call american exceptionalism what makes america different now american exceptionalism is a little invisible to people in america because everything in america is normal but when you come from another country you notice things and you go oh why these people do this and then you notice that that's unique many years later my mom came to visit america we were driving up uh highway one in california right up the coast and we spot this sign on the site adopt a highway adopt a highway and my mom is like what is that i'm like mom well you know that's adopt a highway some civic group like the kiwanis club where adopts the highway they pick up the trash and stuff but i know my mom was just scratching her head because to her it was extremely strange that anyone would even think of adopting a highway her point was no indian would think this way and so you get an idea here that this notion of like civic engagement of being involved in the community this is a very this is something that is an american trait in fact tocqueville remarked about this in in the 1820s when he visited and passed through uh america parts of america so um so i noticed these odd things about america and it wasn't until i got to college and began to sort of think more about them and study them that i began to realize that what we call the west but specifically america is to an amazing degree the uh product of specifically and uniquely christian ideas and this is so pervasive in our society that even secular people don't realize this in fact some of them are anti-christian but they have no idea that they are sort of standing on a christian mountain the foundation of their own beliefs is based upon an underlying christian proposition so to give an example of what i mean um you know i noticed for example over the last couple of decades and even more whenever there's a big catastrophe in the world a famine earthquake people's homes crush thousands of people without shelter you'll notice something interesting happens even now there'll be a big hubbub in the west and all kinds of people you know secular people religious people start trying to do what they can to help and then medical personnel arrive doctors without borders the red cross churches are sending bags of food volunteers missions and then in the rest of the world nothing arab countries have plenty of money no reaction the chinese have all kinds of billionaires enormous wealth nothing india now has billionaires nothing and you think why is this how is it the case that the rest of the world even the parts that can totally afford it treat these things as non-events and the answer is this notion this underlying idea of i would call it universal brotherhood that if somebody is in trouble even if that guy is nothing to you he's not your son-in-law he's not even your neighbor he's a stranger the idea that you have some obligation to help that guy that is a that is not a universal idea in fact when i was a kid growing up we learned a proverb just like all the other proverbs the rolling stone gathers hamas well this proverb is the tears of strangers are only water only water seems a little bit shocking and a little insensitive but it's really not it's actually the way that most of the world feels and their view is this we have obligations to the people who are part of us you have obligations mostly to your family your immediate family then you have a little lesser obligations to your extended family and then you can throw in your relatives and your neighbors and your friends and your maybe your tribe but that's pretty much it if some other dude shows up from another tribe he's got some problem you know you wish him well but it's not your problem this is the universal view so the notion again of universal brotherhood obligations to strangers this is a christian idea it's not a western idea it's a specifically christian idea and we know this because if you look at western civilization it's built upon two pillars athens and jerusalem so athens refers to pre-christian greece and rome what we call classical antiquity and jerusalem refers to judaism and christianity they're sort of the religious heritage of the west now the things i'm talking about a lot of good things came out of athens philosophy the theater and so on but these things i'm talking about now came out of jerusalem exclusively and we know it because if you go to athens or rome rome before christ you don't find them take something as simple as like the preciousness of human life human life is really valuable not just the unborn any human life this idea may seem like oh wow this is a universal idea no it's not universal even now but it was brought into the west and into the world by christianity again it doesn't come from athens if you go to ancient greece and they would take the unwanted child born and deposit it in the freezing cold on the hillside only to find it dead in the morning normal practice and the great thinkers of ancient greece and rome the people were taught to admire socrates plato uh and so on they knew about this but they don't even comment on it it's no big deal to them they don't even think it's worthy of moral reflection why because it's a normal practice in their society so the idea that human life is precious it's valuable it has its inherent dignity now think of the guy who's on this who secular he's never thought about christianity it's things like you know don't discriminate against me he's appealing to that idea that his life has dignity he's worthy of respect but again what i'm saying is that that idea was originated authored brought into the world by christianity when the founders sat down thomas jefferson in particular he was a man of the enlightenment a man of science and when he was thinking about where our rights come from you would think he'd say things like oh well they come from you know the lockheed idea of a social compact no he identifies only one source of our rights our creator that's it and the basic notion here is that our rights are god-given as human beings we differ in all kinds of ways but says jefferson in one way we don't differ we're all created beings and that's what makes the idea and the declaration created equal self-evident self-feather otherwise it would not be evident at all plato says that people are divided into the the superior people he calls them people of gold then the middle people people of silver and then the inferior people he calls them people of bronze and i would say that the overwhelming weight of world opinion is more on that side than the idea of all men are created equal so i in college i began to realize i was not a devout christian my christianity my catholicism was very just sort of i would call it the kind of sunday mass type of christianity a very habitual liturgical but not i was more interested in learning about it than in sort of being it uh and and i was curious about it because i saw that it had a lot of it had a huge impact in the world and in america but i didn't actually know in an experiential way what christianity meant and um and um so i pick up the bible and i began to sort of read it and um and initially i found it to be sort of incredible i mean it's a very very strange book and not only is it a strange book it was a book that contradicted the things not only the things i was learning but the way i was learning that knowledge is to be obtained in the first place so by enlarging you learn in in college in liberal education that knowledge is derived by evidence you start with a proposition that you think is undeniably true and then you move by a series of logical steps to try to come to a conclusion that must be true if your premise is right and your reasoning is correct the conclusion has to follow the philosopher hobbes says that he was presented actually was he was not a young man at this time with one of the conclusions one of the findings of euclid from euclid's book called the elements and hob says i looked at it and i go there's no way this can be true this is ridiculous and hob said so i picked up euclid's elements and he starts with some very simple what he calls axioms so one axiom is if you make two points you can only draw one line through these two points now euclid doesn't prove that that's an axiom he's giving it to you as a given but it seems kind of obvious and then hobbes goes i take this axiom and then i follow euclid's reasoning from a to b b to c c to d and boom i realize that if the premise is true the conclusion must follow so this is the way in which knowledge is supposed to be believed it's be it's anchored in this kind of evidence evidence not only of our senses but reasoning from a to b and then i pick up the bible and i realize the bible doesn't try to do this the bible makes stupendous claims with the kind of mosaic confidence of coming down from the mountain and basically just saying this is the way that it is opening line in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth so i read this i'm thinking to myself who's talking i mean think about it for a minute it's not in the beginning i created the heaven and then it's obviously god talking but if someone goes in the beginning god made the heavens and the earth it's a third there's another guy talking but who's there it's only god so there's right away from like the opening line you have this sort of baffling puzzle of if this guy wasn't there in what way was this event revealed or shown to him did god show it to him in a dream and he wrote it down the way he saw it did god put the words in his mouth what's really going on and it goes on like that and now the one thing i found fascinating about all this is that is that there is an incredible complexity in the way that the bible deals with issues particularly heart issues like like suffering you know a year many years later i would i would do all these debates with these leading atheists and i would argue with them about evidence and how we know things that we know and is there life after death but i realized as i got to know these guys better that the most famous atheists in the world actually do believe in god they're not really atheists in that sense i would call them wounded theists they have a beef with god they're on the warpath against him and for one reason or the other it's that god is a tyrant god is a dictator god didn't i prayed but god didn't answer me and so these are people who are fighting with god and the proof of the fact that in a sense they don't not believe is they're obsessed with god they're they are they are just as they talk just as much about god as pastor wade so that's odd if you think about it because generally if you don't believe in something you ignore it case in point see the new atheists have written all these books the god delusion god is not great but i think about it this way i don't believe in unicorns but i don't spend a lot of time on the topic i i haven't authored any books you know the unicorn delusion unicorns are not great i just kind of act as if there aren't any unicorns so the obsession of the atheist is a clue that something that some turmoil is going on inside the guy and interestingly the the the atheist acts as if they are making points that the bible hasn't thought of or christian literature hasn't thought of but it's never true their points are all right there in scripture they're right there in christian texts give you a small example i was reading the other day this great opening scene from bunions the pilgrims progress in which this guy named christian meets a guy named evangelist and evan the evangelist tells christian to watch out for the rat that is coming and christian says well what what can i do and the evangelist says you have to follow yonder light so christian looks out of the window and he looks for the light and he he can't really see it but he sort of thinks he sees something and so christian goes home and he packs his stuff and he's getting ready to set out on a journey and then something interesting happens his family and his neighbors all show up and they start ridiculing him they start mocking him where's the light christian what are you talking about you can't leave your family you can this is ridiculous what are you trying to do are you nuts so what's interesting about this is and then by the way bunyan has this great line he goes but christian taking his two fingers put them in his ears right and ignoring all this noise he went running into the street shouting life life eternal life so remarkable thing here is from the atheist point of view it's like this notion that the christian behavior is ridiculous the atheist thinks that's coming from outside the narrative he the atheist is supplying it but no it's right there in the story in the narrative itself you get the skeptical point of view and i find this is true also in the book of job it's so amazing when you have you know here's joe but he's railing against god god you're not you're not treating me fairly and stuff and then job's three friends who have these great names zofar eliphaz and bildad these guys come along and say what we think would be the christian thing to say job come on man you must have done something really bad god is basically giving you your just desserts or job stop complaining you know god's in charge god you're not the guy to be questioning god he knows everything you don't all this stuff and you're tempted to go yeah yeah that's right except incredibly in the book of job you're given these sort of you could call it the the god's eye view which is it's almost like separately right above the narrative down here you can see god and he's having this argument with the devil and there it's about job and you can see that job's complaint is actually right his friends are wrong god agrees with job in the sense that god acknowledges that job has a right to complain so all of this is in the bible so i found it to be this amazing sort of document this but but i didn't know what to make of it i don't know what to make of it in part because when you grow up in a culture with a lot of different religions there's a lot of different claims it's kind of hard to say how do you know something is true so for example i'd meet some hindu guy very serious guy and he'd say to me dinesh there's another world behind this world and in that world everything is just one nothing is separated in this world where you think that you're dinesh and i'm john and this is tom and dick and harry he goes this whole world where we separated one from the other is a total illusion we're living a dream but in the real world we're not separate separated at all in the real world there's no i there's no such thing now i'm giving you kind of like a brief summary of hindu philosophy but this is it right out of the upanishads namely that there's there's a real world behind the world and our job is to see through the illusion and discover that that's hinduism in a nutshell and then you meet some muslim guy again very serious guy he goes well you know muhammad jumped into a chariot and took a night journey into heaven and i'm like you are kidding right they go no no no no a chariot appeared in the middle of the desert the bedouins were all asleep muhammad jumps in chariot takes off into the sky and brings him back so what i'm getting at here and by the way this is something that the atheists love because what they like to do is to take your kids and shake their confidence in their faith by asking them questions that they can't answer case in point i once saw i think i once saw the atheist christopher hitchens do this he says to a bunch of college students so guys how many of you consider yourself christians okay yeah everybody he goes now he goes have any of you raise your hands conducted a investigation or some kind of a comparative analysis of all the great religions of the world because presumably if christianity is true then they are not so you have to basically weigh the two to see why is it the case that this is true and that's not but you haven't done that have you no so let's think about he says why you're really a christian he goes obvious answer because your parents are christian because you're born in oklahoma so you're a christian not because if had you been born in thailand what would you be had you been born in afghanistan you'd obviously be a muslim in short your christianity is not the result of some reflection or thought or even experience it's just the accident of where you were born and the story so this kind of rhetoric is used as a battering ram to undermine faith by the way it shows the real importance today of christian apologetics why because we live in secular culture we can't totally shield our kids from it even if you send them to a christian school boom they have to go to college even if you keep him in a christian college you have to push him out at some point into the workforce so at some point they encounter the larger world and the big difference between now and say 100 years ago or even 75 years ago is that in the past you could take christian assumptions for granted in america they were not questioned but now they are and that's why we have to prepare our kids so that they are confident in their faith and they can meet the objections that the other side is sure to throw at them in other words they can't just have their parents faith they have to make it their own make it their own um my faith really in a sense came to me in a genuine adult way when i moved to california we started going to a calvary chapel church and um you know here is uh pastor wade and he's you know this very urbane historian this very civilized guy these calvary chapel guys are not like that they're wild men um many of them came out of the jesus movement of the 70s and and so and so like this guy i'm like you're no he's a very pastor but he's like yeah i used to be a drummer so you got a lot of guys who like started out in like jesus rock concert anyway they're they run these huge churches and uh so i you know when i first came in i looked around never been in a mega church and i look around and i'm like i felt like i was an anthropologist in papua new guinea i'm like let me sort of study the locals and like see what's going because i was not used to this at all and and what i found amazing was in the message the idea of having a personal relationship with god which i i had to digest for a while because i thought i never thought of god like that i thought of god as sort of the sovereign over the universe the sort of author of the big bang the kind of moral supervisor that makes sure that even though in life everything doesn't come out right that there's kind of a sort of a court of last review in which you know the bad guys will ultimately get what's coming to them and the good guys will get rewarded so i sort of had this view of god as sort of this sort of grand version of amy coney barrett you know settling accounts at the end uh in a sort of perfectly just way but the notion that you could sort of know god experience god relate to god listen to god and god actually speaks to you i found all of this really difficult to stomach and and it was only when i realized that that the christian claim is so unusual so unique so different than every other religion it makes it offers a kind of counterintuitive solution to the human problem let me summarize what i think that is so here's the human problem if you go to people anywhere in the world and you say listen things are not as they ought to be agree or disagree i think you'll find that just about everyone agrees in other words we live on this plane the way things are but there's another plane we can envision and imagine called the way things ought to be perfect truth perfect goodness perfect beauty perfect justice it's all up here but we're down here so how do you close this gap how do you get from here to there and so most of the religions of the world do it the obvious way they say all right the way you do it is you put up a ladder from here up to there and you start climbing now we know that people will some will get up to the eighth rung and some will be stuck on the third rung but nevertheless directionally you're moving toward improving yourself improving your society a kind of ascent to perfection and this is what basically the religions of the world attempt to do but christianity amazingly comes along and says this project although impressive in the attempt is impossible because although it's true some guy may get up to eight and the other guy's stuck on three none of that even matters because this gap is too wide it cannot be crossed from the human side so how can it be crossed if at all well the answer is it can only be crossed from the other side god has to like descend somehow or condescend and reach into the human realm and close the gap from his side so then i realized that this is basically jesus the whole notion of why god would send his son become a man the answer is god is closing the gap from his direction bringing it down to the human scale and doing it through the ambassador if you will and that's and that's jesus and then to continue the same i would say improbable tale the christian view is not what you might think what you might think is listen there's a lot of injustice in the world bad guys get ahead good guys come to grief so really what god should be doing is settling those accounts line up all the bad guys and thrash them mercilessly because they deserve it find all the good guys and reward them but instead of doing this obvious thing christianity basically says everyone's a bad guy we're all sinners and and even though there may be more sin over here and less than over there the bottom line is that doesn't make that big of a difference at the end of it we're all guilty so then the question becomes man this stinks how do i get out of this if everyone's guilty how do i avoid just punishment and then the answer is even more unbelievable you get off by pleading guilty in other words by acknowledging that you're a sinner and accepting the free gift of salvation that is what amounts to the acquittal that's how it occurs so what you have here and and by the way there's no other religion no other scheme that even comes close to this the christian idea is totally unique all the other ideas are kind of similar even though they vary in degree and emphasis but the christian idea is like out there by itself and radical and so i said to myself you know could it be true could it be that this is actually the solution that this is the only way that this could happen and i realize that the way to find out is just to sort of test not test god in the literal sense but test out the idea that we can have a personal relationship with god so that that for me was the key to my faith which was essentially submitting to god and saying okay let me you know i want to have a relationship with you if you want to have a relationship with me show me because god is not manifest in the world in the same obvious way that your kids are your wife is so so in a sense you have to lay it on god to sort of show himself to you and when that happens that's when you realize that all the atheism in the world all the skepticism collapses for the simple reason that you are now in an actual relationship you know it's kind of funny an atheist is sort of like a guy who comes to a town and he meets all these people let's call him the religious people and they all know this guy named bob god we're calling god bob for the purpose of this anecdote and the atheist goes around and a lot of people in the village know god but there are a handful of people who go never met god we don't we don't know bob we don't know the guy so think about it what is the likelihood that bob exists answer extremely likely because all these people have a direct experience of bob they know the guy the other people don't happen to know them that's not surprising so in my debates with these leading atheists we would get into all this and just to give you a feel of how crazy these things are and what they sound like you know at one point i was debating i think this was the atheist named michael shermer he's the editor of a magazine called skeptic so the point of calling the magazine skeptic is to give yourself tremendous importance you know i'm i'm a skeptic and and so sharma who's a nice guy by the way a friend of mine says to a college audience my friend dinesh over here i have to credit him with having half a brain not a full brain because in normal life he uses he uses his brain but when it comes to his faith christianity he goes nuts so in his in normal life if you tell him something he's going to demand evidence you say okay you know frank stole your bike dinesh is going to say well did you see him take it whatever let me go look and see if my bike is gone and if it's gone let me see if it's in frank's garage so i take all kinds of steps to verify that this is true but says michael shermer when it comes to other things theological things here's dinesh asserting ridiculous things that he has no way to know are true he goes let me prove it to you dinesh do you believe in life after death i go yes he goes there you go have you been to the other side of the curtain have you interviewed any dead guys no you have no idea dinesh what comes after death and yet here you are ridiculously insisting that there's life after death you don't know so then it comes my turn to rebut this so i say well michael let me ask you a question is there life after death he goes no i'm a skeptic obviously not and i go well have you been to the other side of the curtain have you interviewed any dead guys no so what information do you have on this topic that i supposedly lack answer none right the real difference between you and me is not that you have data and i don't or even that i have data and you don't we have exactly the same information here's the only difference i the believer i'm willing to admit that my belief in life after death is based on faith you the deluded skeptic think your position is based on evidence even though by your own admission you have none you too are taking a leap of faith no different than the believer so what i'm getting at here the point here is to what is it to do to knock out the dogmatic confidence of the atheist to show that he's pretending to know something he doesn't know and that he too has a role for faith in his life even if it is a faith of denial rather than a faith of belief let me close all this by just saying that that for me um submitting to christ was ultimately something that enriched my life on all kinds of levels it enriched my intellectual life it improved my family relationships it gave me a sense of hope about the future and by the future i mean even after that it gave me an explanation for the moral order in the universe why is it that we have these ideas of right and wrong if if normally when you have a legislature it makes laws but we have more laws who made those and how is it that they got somehow implanted in all of us i mean think of it every human being has this moral sense in fact much of what we call morality is not something we got out of the bible it was kind of startling for me to realize that to be true when i read the ten commandments it wasn't like this think of it this way i read the ten commandments i go oh let me let me scroll down okay let's see stealing is wrong wow i never knew that unbelievable stealing is wrong thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife what who thought of this see the point i'm trying to make is that we already know all these things and we knew them before we read them in the ten commandments the ten commandments was more like a recognition that yeah this is right but we knew it already but how did we know it well we knew it because somebody already put it there it's already part of us the moral sense a universal moral sense after i tried to on campuses you know students love to argue and so it's it's very hard to explain these things to them you have to give them example after example because they're not used to moral reasoning at all and i tell them that this is a moral sense that applies across the board it even applies to animals i mean if i brought a little dog in here and began to mercilessly stomp on it everybody would be outraged in every audience they'd be like oh my god now the reaction may be more mixed if it's a cat but we'll leave that for another day but christianity i think is the hope of the world it's actually doing very well around the world there's a powerful movement against it in our own society which i think calls for us as christians to do our best to be light and salt in the world we often complain about the media hollywood some of the values that are transmitted through popular culture but we have a big channel in america called the church that's a megaphone that's like the media but many times unused by which i mean not used to its full potential not used to disseminate the truth and disseminate it not just in the community but out into the culture and out into the world i'll just close with a very short prayer dear lord we thank you for our blessings and we thank you also for our sufferings and we ask you to heal our anxiety and show us the way forward we're always tempted to go with our own plan instead of your plan but you are our creator and your plan is always the best plan teach us to seek it out and then to boldly embrace it we don't just need wisdom we also need courage because wisdom shows us the way but courage is what we need to soldier on um lord we ask you to guide us in our everyday life and guide our society and our country and guide our world to a better place that you want for us we ask in jesus name amen amen thank you thank you very much [Applause]

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