Former Navy Pilot Ryan Graves on His UFO Encounter

The Joe Rogan Experience please tell people your credentials what your background is sure so you know my name is Ryan Graves um I have an engineering degree mechanical and aerospace engineering I promptly left doing that to go fly uh f-18s for the Navy as soon as I graduated college did that for about a decade both operationally in combat as well as an instructor role teaching the new students and you know we did witness something while we were flying in our Jets but um you know we were doing it under we witnessed it in the context of our just everyday flying and our missions and what year was it that you witnessed this so we started seeing these in 2014 was the earliest that I know 2013 late 2013 early 2014. and could you describe what was the very first experience yeah so uh for me personally the experience was simply just uh flying out to the area like I would any other day instead of seeing an empty airspace with just my wing person or another Squadron doing something a different block they're all sudden a lot of different radar contacts which is immediately a problem because you know we could be hitting one of those or someone working in our area and this was happening because we upgraded our radar the best we could tell we were in a earlier radar called the apg-73 and we had come back from deployment we ended a maintenance phase it's called we kind of do a little bit less flying upgrade the Jets if we need to do any long lasting maintenance and and we upgraded to the apg-79 which was a much better radar and what is the difference in the capabilities of the upgraded radar system versus the original system so you know kind of practically speaking it's like going from an analog TV essentially to like an OLED it's you know a digital modern Tool uh compared to more of like an analog uh classical radar that has more limited range and has uh less ability to track multiple targets and things of that nature so just generally speaking we would expect expect to see you know more objects if there were any out there or smaller objects but um there shouldn't have been any objects out there and so how far offshore are you when this is all going down our working area start about 10 miles off the coast and then it goes out you know 100 or 250 miles or so although we don't usually use those Far Eastern areas but we would only see them over the water so they would really only be in our working areas um maybe slightly you know in between the working area the land but never over the land sometimes Over The Bays that are in the area that are quite large but never just kind of zoom in West over land or anything like that and is this restricted airspace it's not so that's a tricky question for us operating in a military operating area it is not restricted in the sense that you have to be there's only one person allowed in there you could have these little Cessnas kind of bumbling in there but they would get called out pretty quick um both from the kind of air traffic control agency that's working out there as well as f-18s and the other um aircraft that may be working out there but in a broader sense when we look at it in relation to our air defense identification Zone which is essentially a band of air space that surrounds our entire country if you are uh if your flight path originates out over the water outside of that it is and you proceed into that Ada's into our controlled airspace then you do have to essentially have permission to enter that airspace it's not a restricted airspace like a traditional bombing range but it is protect airspace it's our it's our Coastal layer so you have this upgraded radar system and what are you detecting so on the radar really what we can learn from that is essentially the kinematics of the object so where is it essentially and you know what directions are going how fast is it going things of that nature we can't necessarily make up the shape or things of that nature so it's a representation it's like a a block on our screen to show that information and so when we see that on our radar um we can tell you know where it's located you know perhaps what's located around if there's other objects we're detecting how fast it's going what direction it's pointed in what direction it's traveling in so we call that velocity Vector so if we see this this essentially a little circle have a tail coming off of it and that that tail kind of represents the nose of the vehicle at least as its flight path is going and so with that you know we would typically see an aircraft just kind of trudging along with a straight line taking occasional turns um but these objects had a little bit um more of a I don't say random but more um less controlled uh flight path that velocity Vector would kind of jump around a bit more uh they would not proceed in like a perfectly straight line as you would imagine like a a flight navigation computer would take you right it takes you from A to B in the straightest line possible these objects seem to kind of be moving in a direction that was not a straight line but generally proceeding in that direction and so they would kind of be Meandering slightly but moving in that general direction both three-dimensionally and horizontally so winding around going up going down so they're not on a flat plane and they're not going in a straight line so I don't want to draw too many firm statements like that because we would see them being flat too we'd see them perfectly stationary up there regardless of the wind really yep wow so what kind of wind are you talking about oh gosh I mean at altitude you can have anywhere up to 120 knots of AirSpeed which is what is that in miles per hour it's about 130 140 miles so they're completely stationary with a 140 mile an hour wind correct how would something do that that's confusing to me as well uh even if we had something that could just burn that much energy right like if you had a sphere surrounded by little Rockets right just imagining something right now okay and if you wanted to keep that perfectly stationary right against um gravity you could just fire all the rockets at the bottom really fast and hopefully keep it flat right right it's gonna have tiny little variations and then if you have wind hitting it and all this you could potentially have those Rockets try to counter it but it would never be perfectly still and wins like that because the wind's not perfectly still either right exactly it changes and varies it does so it's almost like it's the wind it's not even really fighting the wind it seems you know it just seems like it's it's just there in a way wow so the first time you see these things what are your thoughts yeah the first time really was well you know what is this right it's not a UFO or something mysterious at this point it's at what we're thinking at this point we see on the radar is just well our radar is broken right um these perhaps don't represent physical objects yet because we hadn't you know visually seen these or seen them on our camera yet and so you know we kind of like hey you know what's going on here you know is anyone else seeing this kind of thing but not really like investigating it right it's just kind of like all right there was stuff out there but maybe next time we'll take a look but the way our systems work when we have all this all these contacts on our radar and if we kind of just select one out with our little cursor there all our sensors go to it our flear goes to it which is our camera system all their weapons they have like their own little eyes in some sense and they all look in that direction and So eventually you know someone had one of these selected and flew close enough so that as they look at their flare system their camera they could see something that was at the spot represented on the radar right so there was something there so they were seeing it visually with their own eyes not at this point just on the the flear system the flare system and so that's a it's a regular camera and also an infrared camera and so typically we'll roll around in infrared just because it returns a better image typically so so yeah you know it didn't look like an object they were seeing on the Fleer just looked like a source of ir energy in a sense almost as if someone was shining a flashlight but something had to be there to be reflecting that energy or creating it so at this point to answer your question now we're like okay this isn't just an error in our radar this is perhaps you know we're thinking this is real we have to really respect this as like a safety hazard now even if it's just a small you know I I you know however a small ribbon of tinfoil right like that suck down the engine can still take out an aircraft right so we have to be very respectful like a mylar balloon type thing potentially right yeah but how fast are these things going so sometimes stationary right sometimes they would be going around 0.6 to 0.8 Mach which is at altitude about you know 240 to maybe 330 knots you know around there so somewhere in the range of an airplane yeah in a fighter aircraft would be kind of flying around at those air speeds except sometimes they would be perfectly stationary as well right so it's not exhibiting any sort of patterns that you've recognized in the past uh no they have actually so although with the stationary no right correct with a stationary no with the Meandering kind of flight path no but I would also see them essentially fly what we call a racetrack pattern and essentially what that means is they fly in a straight path and then they do like a 108 degree turn in a certain direction then they fly a straight path then turn again you know so that's what we call a racetrack pattern as opposed to a circular holding pattern we did witness racetrack patterns in fact I think there's been some cases off the West Coast just past couple weeks where people have also been observing objects flying in racetrack patterns high altitude with lights so I do recognize that behavior but I don't necessarily that mean I don't necessarily think that means we have to attribute it to normal behavior necessarily that type of flight path is important because it's a very efficient way to fly right if you have to maintain the position in a certain area you want to minimize how much you're turning because anytime you're turning in an aircraft you're using more energy than if you're just flying straight and level and so by having a race track pattern it's an efficient way of of holding in a position by maximizing straight and level time and minimizing your turn time and how long would these things stay up there for so from my experience from our experience and again we weren't studying these but they were always out there you know they're all out there when we took off we'd see them and then we go to land they would still be out there like every day every day every day every day so you guys go from not having any idea that these things are out there to upgraded radar system to seeing them every day yeah what is the thought like what how are you feeling when these like is there uh an evolution of the thought pattern of how you're addressing these things and thinking about them initially you're thinking they're errors when do you start getting a thought the like what is what the [ __ ] is this thing yeah so that happened when we visually saw one and the first time we visually saw one uh the object was directly at what we call that entry uh point of the area so you know that box that I told you about in the sky that starts 10 miles off the coast there's a particular GPS you know location and altitude where incoming traffic will fly in and outbound traffic will fly in the exact same spot but uh will fly out a thousand feet lower um there were two aircraft from my Squadron vfa 11 and we flew or excuse me they flew took off as a flight of two uh that means they're essentially flying into formation like this and as they hit the area one of these objects went right between the aircraft the lead uh air crew saw the object the dash 2 aircraft crew did not which is not surprising because they're usually you know you're very focused on flying formation you're just staring right at that aircraft the lead really has actual leeway to look around so uh he saw it and you know he immediately came back I have to assume he didn't have it on his radar because he wouldn't have flown through this object at the working at the entrance Point um he flew he turned around flew back landed and I was in the ready room when he come back and you know he had all his gear on which typically is not a good thing uh because you want to get that stuff off as fast as possible so usually means you know there's a problem of some nature uh and you know he was just sitting there saying hey you know I almost hit one of those damn things and we all knew what he was referring to even though we didn't actually have a name for just because we were seeing these so much um and he described it you know he described it just as a black or dark gray Cube and that Cube was inside of a clear translucent sphere uh and essentially the the Apex or the corners of that Cube best you could tell uh were touching uh that inside of that sphere and that description mirrors many of the descriptions that people have had of these whatever you want to call them whether they're calling them uaps now for some strange reason UFOs is a I don't know does it have a dirty connotation to it as it tainted because of so many crazy people talk about UFOs is that what it is it does come with a lot of assumptions baked yeah it's baked in that's yeah so that's something but whatever it is that is a design that people have reported seeing before that this translucent sphere and this Cube can you see through the cube not to my understanding no so it's some sort of solid black Cube that's inside this translucent sphere and it's just floating around and flying around the sky so you know that's that's a good point is it floating around is it flying around it's doing both which is strange right because you could think of that description okay that's kind of some kind of weird balloon maybe with stuff in it and that's that's certainly you know one way if you just view that angle of it then it it seems explainable but when that you know the balloon-like object starts cruising around at you know 0.8 Mach you know that that nullifies that particular um idea and you'll see you'll see that a lot where it's not just like that one picture that one Behavior it's really kind of to zoom out a bit and look at everything in relation to each other and say okay why is this weird you know okay it was hanging out in a racetrack pattern that's not exotic but when you you learned it was doing it for you know perhaps 13 hours 13 hours you know perhaps they were out there all the time you know so you know I land and I go back and we weren't on a a um Intel mission to analyze these right we're going to do our training it's very expensive 30k an hour to fly these things right so really the only time we can put energy into looking at these things when we're kind of transiting back and forth or waiting for a fight to start uh and so you know it's never like a dedicated analysis

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Published: Tue Oct 18 2022

Reddit Comments

[u/ufobot]

The following submission statement was provided by /u/MartianMaterial:

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The Navy is running into this consistently, so what are they running into? Swamp gas? Perhaps a weather balloon? In all seriousness somebody needs to seriously get to the bottom of this.

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[u/pepperman7]

I know not everyone agrees, but I think Joe does some of the best interviews on UFO-related events.

[u/YourDrunkUncl_]

According to Graves these objects float and meander around, remain stationary at 100+ mph winds, but also fly at airplane speeds. They do this for hours.

Assuming those are the same objects that achieve all three feats, then these craft must have a way to overcome air resistance, gravity, or both.

[u/SMORKIN_LABBIT]

These things "live" on Earth. Or at least this version. I think they are in the oceans and probably have been here fucking forever. If its just drones they go down there to hangout.

[u/MartianMaterial]

The Navy is running into this consistently, so what are they running into? Swamp gas? Perhaps a weather balloon? In all seriousness somebody needs to seriously get to the bottom of this.

[u/TradingForCharity]

Joe went a bit cringe towards the end. He sounded like a politician at the WEF

[u/Ok_Hold8206]

Definitely a mystery of other parallel

[u/Several-Protection-9]

The ability for these things to remain stationary is fascinating to me.

Most likely antigravity is being used, which is normal gravity shifted 180°

[u/hummelaris]

Imagine seeing a flying translucent orb with a cube in it. Fucking all spark shit man, i would be mind blown. Would do everything to make sure the world gets to know/see this. There are probably so many things in the universe that we as human can only imaginate in our fantasies. What if we already have contact with other earth like creatures far far away and only the high elite ruling this world knows about this. In my mind its bot that far fetched tbh but i am very open minded for this kinda stuff. I grew up as a kid and somehow i knew/had a feeling we are not alone and that our history books a probably just propaganda to keep the masses in line.