forgotten joinery techniques

hi there today I thought I'd show off this book a little bit which is carpentry and joinery it's edited by Paul and Hess life now this had been sitting on my father-in-law's bookshelf for I don't know how many years and I came across it maybe five or six years ago and started reading through it and since then it really has become my go-to book if I'm stuck if I need an answer to a question how do I join this piece of wood and this book tells me how to do it it's really interesting that this this version doesn't actually have a date in it internet tells me it was published in 1907 and has since been reprinted so you can not have to fork out for an original old copy of this it's just amazing and so I thought I show some of the cool woodworking techniques that are in this book because there's so many joints in there that I've never seen before even what thought of and I'm sure some of you out there never seen these or thought about them so I'm going to go through four of for timber joints that I think look particularly cool the drawings didn't I thought I'd like to give them a go now I've never tried this before what you're about to see is my first attempt and by all means they are not necessarily the right way to do these things just the way I forget how to how to do them I'm sure that these kind of techniques were still popular there'd be some very easy ways to do them more pushing ways to put them together but like I say it's my first go so let's get on with it and see what the book has to offer right so this one is the double forked double forked joint really it is the joining square stock in lengthwise I suppose it's really just I guess it's mainly for carpentry but I think it has its applications and furniture making sometimes you do need to join square stock if you've made a mistake so it looks interesting and we'll see how it goes so I tried to route this small piece here left try to route that out on the table as well off-camera on the other end it's a mess a blowout which you know probably should have done that piece first but doesn't want to shift my router set up because my depth is set just right so anyhow so I'm going to have to do this and take this up by hand which I've already done in this end which I think looks pretty cool well it's not the tiniest joint ever cut but but then when the last time this joint was actually in the cap for a job that it is really strong really surprised how well this thing holds together I can hardly move it and with a bit of glue and maybe a screw to keep it in place that if it's for construction or just glue or furniture I think I'll definitely be using this joint again if I need to do something like this or even as a detail that is really an interesting thing so try it it's pretty fun so this one is fouled angle joint it looks kind of interesting it looks like it should be easy but we'll soon find out now the ratio of mica or 45-degree cut to straight cut it already depends on the thickness of the timber this piece of purple heart is only 21 mils thick so the mitered part there's only a few mil three or four mil that gives me enough room to put dowels and the street art so if you're going to try this one it really is up to you and how thick of timber stockers and and how big a miter or what kind of dowel system you could probably use Domino's as well I guess so it's really a bit of trial and error so again this this joint is pretty cool a pretty strong even with just those two dowels that's holding itself it's actually holding itself perfectly square as it is I don't know if you can see that it should be really good for making our case work or even drawers I suppose but really good to get that mytab finish without having to fiddle around with trying to keep everything Square where holds itself Square already it is a bit of a pain to cut although I'm sure if you really wanted to do this and get into it there are probably quicker ways to do it in the way up in it but yeah another one to really give it give it a go and yeah it's really really an interesting joint so this next joint is the Box tail tenon or a hidden fox tail now I've always heard of fox tail wedges but now kind of makes sense why they've called Fox tower wedges because the idea is that the tenon is wedged from inside the mortise and as you hammer in the tenon you also hammering in the widgets at the same time so it's really you only have one go at this to get your joint together so who knows let's see what happens so here I've just got to clear out the insides of the mortise like a nice dub tail doubt to allow for the tenon to expand when the wedges are driven in so got the tenon ready mortise really so the tenon fits into the mortise quite snugly nice fit it just now is the moment of truth is really only one shot at doing this although need to trim my wedges down to fit so cut my wedges rip them down so they go fit in the mortise so now I've just put them in there and I guess now the crucial part is how much the wedge do I leave sticking out so it's enough to wedge in the tenon but also not leave the tenon sticking proud of the mortise so it's really just practice and see I'm just going to guess about how much and how much which i think is going to get driven in I'm going to hammer this down and that's anyone's guess you're ready but let's see what happens I guess that's it probably went in a bit easier than I would liked it to have but duck in it no there you go got it out sure if you can see but the third relief cut I made is actually closed up and the outsides have splayed out but I think I need slightly wider wedges but about the same length so try that again okay round two pick a which is about the same length as they were um yeah who knows let's see it strip give it another go well but is stuck I can't pull it up I can pull on an angle get it there but I would say with glue or just bigger widgets but pulling straight out I can't move cranking it on the angle and wiggle an app can't actually get it past the opening because the wedges have pushed it up ahead started to get some crack in here so yeah not really sure if this is a practical joint or whatís application and reality was or would be that certainly is really a one-time shot which I'm sure most woodworkers wouldn't care for okay this one is a secret let dovetail joint it looks pretty fancy I'm sure it's going to be fancy I'm not sure how practical that's going to be but let's give it a go and see what happens so I'm really not sure what the best ways of transferring these tails across but this is probably going to be easiest way so here is the secret dumb town cool secret let dovetail joint this is my first go so even millimeter gap they're kept along the left that might easily be fixed up I think and it's pretty sturdy joint but then again it's a dovetail joint it does seem stiffer diagonally then I take a normal dovetail would but I don't know I can't think of any jobs that I would actually use this on it it's a bit of a brainteaser that's a bit slow fiddly you're going to go for a lap joint you could use any number of other options still going to see a small part of ingrain here so seems like a lot of work but then again it is a very strong joint and if you've got no other option but hammer a chisel then that's going to do you but it's worth giving it a goes interesting alright well I hope you found that informative or entertaining at least and I would love for more people to start using some of these techniques some of them are necessarily practical but just having the experience who'd be able to do them is really cool so thanks for watching and good luck with your woodworking

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Keywords: woodwork, Joints, oldschool, experiment, furniture making, joinery, how to joinery, carpentry, carpentry and joinery, Paul Hasluck, how to make, timber work

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Length: 15min 47sec (947 seconds)

Published: Sat Mar 26 2016

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[u/s0n0ran]

Cool joints, especially the fox tail one.