FNAF, The Broken Timeline | Ft. @Dawko, @FuhNaff, @RyeToast, @IDsFantasy, and @HyperDroid!

okay so let's let's let's be honest around the room and uh ID if you want to raise your hand just let us know but um who here has read all the books [Music] hey guys and welcome to GT live where today it is a glorious day because it's been about a year I would say a year since we got on this channel and did some serious FNAF talking uh for those of you who watch all of our theorist content over on GT live a couple weeks ago we did kind of a talk back a live analysis discussion about the timeline that was us in the middle of things we were in the process of solving things we were getting your feedback uh and so that was a much more casual discussion but today we are getting serious with our theories with our lore solving and with our FNAF discussion because if there is one franchise that the internet takes seriously it's this one about serial killer murder animatronics set in a pizzeria restaurant from who knows what decade we're in at this point uh so but you know what the exciting thing is we're surrounded today by people who think they do know what decade we're in when it comes to this franchise there's a lot of disagreement amongst the people that I'm going to show you today and I am very excited to introduce them all to you so we are joined by a literal like Cavalcade of FNAF theorists here today there are so many boxes on screen at this point so many people Everyone waved the camera [Music] theorists old and new joining us today to talk about all things Five Nights at Freddy's uh obviously the movie just announced its release date uh we just finished our FNAF timeline we're still waiting for the ruin DLC which who knows when that'll drop maybe it'll drop at the end of this live stream because that's the way things happen in the math world what stranger things have happened wouldn't surprise me in the slightest uh so there's a lot that we want to cover today timeline movie talk uh you know release dates all of this stuff so I mean it's a lot to cover and we want to keep this to kind of like two hours today so uh to make sure that we're moving things forward keeping things tight let's just go around the board and introduce people starting with some familiar faces uh from Team theorist over here we have uh Tom and Dan so Tom and Dan say hi yes hi hello uh Tom uh all right our game theory creative director you've seen him on the GT live couch multiple times the man who has uh spent way too many hours in my attic talking about uh murder animatronics that is not a joke it is literally in my attic where we had the conspiracy board all drawn out John John you saw you saw it up there right you can attest I I don't think I saw the board wait did I not sure no I was I've been in there you've been to the attic though yes yeah the the snap attic or fanatic for short so uh Tom joining us from UK thanks for joining us uh super late yeah yo you're very welcome thanks so much for having me my partner in crime and the guy who gets to uh come to conclusions with me but then skate through when those things are poorly received by the internet just feed Runner floor to join this Channel and then just get stuff Mosey on by just like nobody sees me no he's he's my book buddy and for lack of a better word uh and meanwhile we got head editor Dan the other guy who it's not necessarily required to uh you know follow the franchise as closely as he does but I think uh he you know we've been on board this train together for a long time and so yeah Dan you know it's one of those like what what is it the sunk cost fallacy where at this point too much stock into this it's been gambling at this at this casino for too long that you're like well I guess I'm committed to it at this point this time I came better prepared I have some books I spent the money that you gave me on some books so speaking of boys are you saying the money I gave you like personally or the money that I gave you as a corporate entity like hey this is business expense get that one okay okay your own personal money please please do not do that uh meanwhile in The Familiar Faces column uh got it we gotta go over to our our partner in crime here doco hey doco hello hi everybody the other Elder Statesman of FNAF content fresh off his visit to the movie said how are you sir yeah I'm good thank you how are you I'm I'm doing well do you do it a little bit hashtag jealous of you getting to see uh you know all this stuff happening over in New Orleans for yourself but uh you know that's that's fine I'm not I don't have a chip on my shoulder or anything about that it's cool we could still be friends fine I hope so of course how's uh how's life over in your neck of the woods doco yeah yeah it's all good it's turning warm now finally it's been cold for ages over here so when you say warm in your neck of the woods how is that actually I feel like you were warm it's very different from our war as soon as let the temperature increase is by like two degrees everybody just wants to go out as soon as soon as the sun goes out everybody's just outside all the time nice awesome so have you gone to see the light of day or no um not really cool I'm a night I'm a night owl I had to get a bit early today to watch the uh the Mario movie that's about to say for that movie then I'm at the Mario movie just like the character Encyclopedia you're getting like an early preview of it the whole thing's gonna start with like special thanks to Taco season and he complains about this please level them all for PS his DMS are open [Laughter] please please that was a joke do not send any angry comments about the pineapple or to Taco that is not his fault meanwhile uh you know in in order of familiarity I would say with people on the couch uh John uh from the channel funaf uh you've joined us on the couch recently you were here with me and Raleigh uh a couple weeks ago that was super fun um and also you were on last year's stream so how are you sir I'm good I'm good uh I'm excited to be here thanks for having me back no absolutely uh you've been you've been busy too you've been solving every every single thumbnail it's like I solved snap floor after nine years oh my goodness I can't help myself so glad someone did this fine you know I learned I learned that from someone in this in this call Taco we don't claim to solve it or we just claim that it's the last one I mean I've worked on the final episode like three times at this point up at times event true you gotta shoot your shot and also you know if if John learned solved from us we learned the Final Chapter from the the creator of the series himself where there I think it's been the Final Chapter like five separate times in the franchise also yeah three was the internet four was the end sister location Pizzeria simulator exactly right it just keeps going now there's movies and this and that anyway uh and hey since since you were just talking uh ID's fantasy uh is joining us a new fate well kind of face a new Avatar to the screen I guess yeah new PNG anime slightly animated we're not as animated as you tend to be on your channel but uh thanks for joining us today yeah no problem I am very excited and shaking a little bit but it's okay shaking with Rage or excitement excitement and internal screaming okay okay excited screaming or can't wait to like launch into like uh I don't know John's latest Theory [Laughter] uh passionate about his theory there are bits of it that I think are okay no you did good you do good we found the spicy one for this episode it's just gonna be the spiciest episode yet uh sorry guys no no and this is great for those of you who don't know uh ID's channel it's IDs fantasy and uh I I briefly mention her channel uh in our timeline because a lot of the ideas that it I'm excited about some of the new faces that are joining us between uh hyperdroid ID and a right toast who we're gonna get to the next two here in a minute like you are coming up with some really awesome new ideas you're approaching it in a very different fun way and it's one of those things where like absolutely deserving shout outs because you are making me question a lot of my assumptions and getting me to look at things in New Perspectives which is why I'm so excited to have this discussion with you today so thank thank you for joining yeah awesome uh moving on to uh hyperdroid uh the middle I don't know where he is on the screen that everyone else is seeing but uh this is so uh whereas ID's fantasy helped me solve certain bits of the lore at least make me think I have a more solid grasp of the lore uh hyperdroid actually you I don't know if you know this but you inspired the way that we that I wanted to write this timeline episode so uh for those who don't know hyperdroid for the past couple years has released your official timeline yes yeah yeah it was uh two wow an hour and a half to two hour long video but it was a mini series like you did where it was like four or five parts and then just put them all into one yeah and and the thing that I loved about yours was the presentation style because unlike the way that we had done ours in the past where it was very much like evidence evidence evidence proof proof proof and it gets very dry and kind of tends to get lost in the weeds at a certain point you have to you know zoom out and realize that oh this is a story right and there are characters and narrative arcs and things like that and the way that you present this hour and a half two hour long epic of of the FNAF timeline is is from a character basis right like it the stuff that you're saying is evidentiary but you're really dialing into the story like you're writing a full-on script of what this story is which is really cool yeah although a lot of it's incorrect but you know that's fine don't worry ours is dude we've been doing it longer uh [Laughter] the same boat my friend part of being a finasteride yeah absolutely right it's like I've proven this five times and then you know retcon or a new game or oopsies uh so new book you know so don't don't worry about that at all uh what's what real quick what's your history with the fataf franchise uh I started playing after your FNAF 2 Theory actually that was what first got me into FNAF and then thank you you know it all started from there nice oh classic phone guys purple guy oh he I'm still a believer of that yeah I know I can tell you know we all in my heart yeah as as FNAF the earth I think we all have to recognize our own biases and I can tell you every time there's always that one Theory yeah no every time we go back and restart like research on an episode or research on like a timeline like this I'm like but can he be the phone guy that's like always the place where I'm like can I please he's just making the phone guy that would be amazing um sadly I like I can ignore some evidence I guess but I can't ignore that much to make it work now just they'll just drop an easter egg in the DLC and we'll be like oh there it is there it is it will just like freak out right that'll be exciting and then uh last but certainly not least is uh rye toast Riley hey there hello hello how are you sir uh tired but I just finished this which was all coffee so I'm doing good so good excellent um and are you are you joined by your a cat friend as well or no I do have a sleeping cat who is out of frame like right here okay other than that the door's closed because my other cat is a menace and he will knock over all my lighting that's to avoid that then yeah and and cats too shy so she's upstairs so so I gotta ask so obviously you've been you've been launching out a bunch of different uh FNAF perspectives I love what you did recently which was hey let's just go back to what we know from just the games you know like in this day and age where there's books and timelines and character encyclopedias and novel spin-offs and and Novella spin-offs and this and that the the series that you did which I really appreciated was this idea of like hey what can we learn about these games from just the games you know like can you actually solve the lore based on what is given to us from the games themselves and I thought that was cool do you have any uh any kind of like overall learnings or thoughts from going through that process at this point I think the big takeaway was you can make a timeline with just the games I don't think you can make the correct timeline with just the games at this point I think there was definitely a time in the FNAF franchise like before certain games came out and before the story was tweaked that you could have I think by Sister location you at least need a book or two and at this point you need like five yeah which which honestly is something that I want to get to here actually and that maybe that's that's a great place to start so before we get into like the nitty-gritty of of our timeline and solving the lore and and kind of where the franchise is headed moving forward I think that's a really interesting place to start because John when you were in town you and I had a couple of conversations you me and Tom actually had a couple conversations about your thoughts and feelings on how the books are now required reading in a lot of ways uh where there does seem to be certain key character reveals certain evidence points certain like Revelations that happen in the spin-off books whether they be the novels or novellas with Fazbear Frights and tales from the pizza Plex and and how how that how you feel about that as a FNAF theorist and as a fan of the games but maybe not necessarily of of the book so I I'd love your thoughts on that and if I'd love to open that to everyone actually sure uh I think it's it's tough because my mind has changed back and forth with watching the people in this Call's videos um because I I originally thought GGY came out and I was like there's no way you could figure out that Gregory's patient 46 without GGY and for those who don't know just and and just because again at this point I can't assume that people have read Story number 25 of tales of the pizza Plex the second series of the Fazbear Freight series you know book number five what is it what is it's book number four book number five yeah right it's it's five story three or whatever yeah it's crazy that one but that's you know that's the one that's important and so there's those of you listening at home and you're like what is John talking about it's the story called GGY it's basically a story about how there's this person who's really good at the arcade games in the pizza Plex and they they have the top score at all of them and all of them are signed GGY and basically the long and short of it is there's a conspiracy of foot and this kid who's revealed to be Gregory or it has the name Gregory is also Dr rabbits and which is you know that's that's saying a lot so it in a lot of ways it is very heavy evidence to say like hey Gregory and Afton are connected in some way because he's Dr rabbit he's nefarious in some way oh and then also he's connected to the uh disappearances of therapists yeah right so so those are kind of like the three key points coming out of this is and it perfectly matches on to what is happening over in security breach you know you have top arcade games sign GGY names Gregory connected to Afton and and disappearing therapists which again the whole Community is like well this is this is about as clear-cut as you get that he is 46. exactly and I think it's it's it's it's frustrating for me because people could say oh yeah you could have easily figured out Gregory's patient 46 but I think the people who figured out Gregory was patient 46 wins security breach came out it was basically just guessing because there were so many it was as someone who did that I I challenged that argument but that's fine well you said that you said that yourself in your video you said there's this is what I think like this is but there's so many holes in the theory correct that it's like I can't even say that that's definitive um and I think the most frustrating thing for me was Gregory having the top score on the arcade machines because it's like I thought that was just an Easter egg but it's like I've learned my lesson uh I thought that was an Easter egg because you also see like Vani and Freddie and Roxy on the machine so it's like obviously this is not meant to be anything serious because they're not playing the machines you also see baby have the top scores on some of the machines BBY so she's uh she's pretty good she's she's a wiz at uh glitch trap Adventures or whatever whatever exactly but yeah that that's I think yes I think it's not really solvable without the books at this point okay so let's let's let's be honest around the room and uh ID if you want to raise your hand just let us know but um who here has read all the books I'm basically there I've tried I'm just I'm getting through this last one I've been busy how does one raise Handler I I read them all have you read that I think I have the heart take that I like the books but you know no no that's that's I think that's no that's I don't think that's a hot take no I think I don't think the books are that bad I think I think the thing is what makes them what makes it feel so bad or that oh no these aren't good is because of the connection they have to games and how it's like which pieces can you take which pieces on and it's it being part of snaff as a whole I think is why there's that feeling of these books aren't good whereas I think actually as little you know uh novellas for teenagers really they're actually pretty good I feel like they're definitely as good as like the Goosebumps that I grew up with like they're at about that level I would say yeah no yeah I would agree with that I do it's it's funny because part of me wishes that the novellas were actual like like Goosebumps were actual fully fledged books right and I I think a lot of the novellas I to me I wish there was a little bit more editing down and saying like hey these are the important or the best stories that we have let's flesh these out into full books similar to the Goosebumps series where it's a scary story with you know full chapters and character arcs and we learn who these people are as opposed to like you know here's page one character description motivations okay here's five more pages of like here's what happened and then you know dark takeaway at the end right I feel like they're slightly too abbreviated for me to be like super invested in but there's some really solid stories in there and so I'd be more than willing to sacrifice a couple outings to the fasgu land in order to get to learn a little bit more about the characters in GGY or the characters in Bobby Dons or uh haps was an incredibly dark and scary story that is like so disturbing and is really compelling but I would have loved to have learned more about these kids their motivations before they're just like and and the kids disappear into the ball pit or whatever yeah and there they go yeah and there they go so yeah yeah although I will say there are some of them that you could go oh you could cut 20 pages from this and it would probably be the same yeah the um the other thing that I'll throw out there and again this is this is not really a hot take of mine but I do think it's it's an interesting observation right FNAF as a Series has always been a game franchise where so much of the plot happens outside of the games which is weird right when you actually stop and look at what actually is happening in the games not a whole lot but when you look at like hey you know Michael pukes up ennard at the end of sister location and then fast forward to FNAF six and and baby is now separate from entered and there's molten Freddie in this and oh yeah the only way to have known that was through the source code of Scott's website at one point like that that's kind of a big point where if you're just playing the games and I you know and this goes back to right house what what you did in your kind of experiment right where it's like there's a lot of meta text in this series all ready you know where you're going on to teaser images and source code images and and you know if your latest um theory is to be believed John like to like the description of Scott's Reddit post at one point right um you know paragraph four it's paragraph four of Scott's Reddit post who knows um and so there's a lot of like reading between the lines there that is already necessary and so the books almost feel like another extension to that now whether that's good or bad and and I think the volume of that has certainly changed it's kind of like the the MCU in a lot of ways where you have these Disney plus series and it's like well if you want to follow MCU you better follow every episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier and what if you know so that's that's I think the the trick that you find yourself in at this point well some of them are good but it's it also cuts off some of the community and when you like if you mention it in a theory for example you have you automatically section off a whole part of FNAF theorist who just they don't have time to read they aren't caught up with the books or they didn't even know there was new series release or anything like that it's it just that's the thing that they should definitely like you said make it more clear this is important please read this one yeah yeah that's why I try to mention the books a lot in my theories is because like a lot of people don't read them so they don't have these clues that I'm seeing like we learn a lot about like Remnant and stuff from the Fazbear fright series and you don't like there are hints at it in the games like I I mentioned in my most recent video on sister location the song title Alchemist fantasy for the security puppet minigame and the whole Alchemist thing does give a hint to what Remnant can do but we actually get that fleshed out in Fazbear Frights and you'd have to find the song title In order to find that mm-hmm yeah yeah that's the thing when something is labeled like Ultimate Guide or character Encyclopedia that's when everyone's like yes okay this is important this is the thing the one that we need for that whereas yeah there are so many novels and books that are coming out like every two months it's so hard to keep up with yeah I'm paid to keep up with this and it's hard to keep up with this and as as your boss and as the other guy who does you know do a lot I mean who is Right alongside you reading these books and the reason I didn't raise my hand is because I skipped samnophobia and I I'm getting to it and and uh the sea Bonnie story I just I got distracted and didn't finish that particular the most important one it's a fun one right so I'm like I think I know the relative lore importance of seabots right nightmares was about the sea Bonnies and then all of a sudden doco says yeah put that one in the character encyclopedia yeah he's been sitting there waiting for that to come up he's got him I was right here uh no but you know so so those are the ones that I have to catch up on but I feel like I've read like the vast vast majority especially all the important ones and things like that but but it is one of those things where it does it is a full-time job almost at this point to keep up with the constant like updates and book releases and this and that and it I I know from personal experience with with Tom and I where it's hard for us to dive as deeply into other lores of other franchises and because there's such a huge volume of FNAF that also is requiring us to stay up with it and doco I know youth used to do like deep dives into each individual story and each individual uh like Fazbear frighten this and that and I've noticed those have have been fewer and farther between at this point yeah it's the same thing right because you are uploading everything single day and I mean as a fellow you know guy who releases way too many videos I understand like like that is such a hard grind and so to fit in like let me read for the next four to six hours an entire book or however long it takes you to get through it and then create a video if it's tough it's not it's not just reading it as well though because while you're reading it you let you have to make notes on everything like every page I was just doing like a bit because I I did a summary so anything important you have to write down and stuff um I think I think with the Fazbear frights I didn't mind those but I think with these security breach ones especially the Gregory story I feel like the Gregory story should have been in the game and because because it's important right it's important like I feel like that was the most important like story that we've got so far and it's really important for security breach because we're playing as Gregory and we didn't know who he was in the game at all yeah but like we had to read a story outside the games to know that yeah um so I was gonna say um so I think I think well I'm hoping that the ruined DLC explains more about Gregory that's what I'm hoping if we don't if we don't know anything else about Gregory now look Gregory's done in the games I'll be I'll be a bit disappointed uh because I do feel like ruin is a chance for steel wall to you know show what Greg who Gregory is because you know because of the the Gregory story so well also I mean Gregory was really well received by the community which I think was the other side of that right which is everyone coming out of that game really liked like say what they will about the lore and the gameplay and the state of the release like if you look at the the fan response to security breach you know a year out now but like seeing how people reacted in the aftermath and the memes that were made and this and that people loved Gregory they loved his design they loved his characterization they thought he was like a fun confident like like sassy boy but also like smart and kind of like like he was he was cool people dug him and so I think people were really eager to find out more about him because they're like hey finally there's a new character here there's you know a protagonist that we can actually latch on to who isn't some faceless security guard or some reanimated corpse guy purple whatever who knows right and so you for the first time you had someone to latch on to and people really responded positively and so we're all eager to find out more that being said if if it is revealed in ruin that he is an Afton or connected in some way to if he is patient 46 and is like a thrall of the Afton virus or whatever like what do you think does that make him cooler does that make him lesser like how do you think people would respond to this depends on how they executed I think okay because as of security breach the way he acts even like away from Freddy doesn't really line up with and being under glitch traps control because why else would burn trappy like making glamor pretty attacking and all that um so it seems like if he was under glitch traps control at some point there's some way that he was able to break free like maybe like there's the princess Quest games that free Vanessa maybe there's some other arcade game that can free that freed Gregory um sorry um but basically um in in the initial teaser for ruin one thing that I noticed uh there like in the screens that show Gregory like one of them says help me so maybe they capture maybe glitch trap captured him back or whatever but in one of them it looks like he's holding some sort of briefcase or something there's like something squarish and the bottom arms do not Bend like that um so I was like maybe he maybe he went back and he found some Secrets or something he's gonna blow the company but then however many however long ago it was where there was that teaser of the I think it was the security breach TV website that it had handles and it was this like computer TV setup looking thing I'm thinking maybe so someone in my comment section actually pointed out maybe that's what Gregory was holding in the teaser yeah yeah for those who don't know uh and who don't follow this franchise as religiously as everyone here does sacrifice all you your time and waking energy to this franchise uh yeah there was a couple of leaked images on security breach t or from security breach TV uh which is where all the kind of like uh hype for security breaches release came from it was where you watch like Freddy and friends on tour and that's where we got first glimpses of The Blob that's where he got first glimpses of sun and moon that's where the meme of uh music um there you go check that one off the Bingo list you did the thing guys dream's over we're done uh all I need now is mentioning dream theory and I've got it there we go yeah Bingo it's chica um Bonnie uh but yeah no it's so for those who don't know it was this image that was kind of like it leaked out it's unsure of whether or not it's actually gonna happen or whatever but people thought it was going to be released in anticipation of the ruin DLC and I believe the date was April 6th was one of the there were two dates that were associated with it so April 6th has come and gone so that didn't happen but I believe maybe well April 16th it was April 12th the second one right yeah but April 6th that's when the movie news came out yeah no it was it was yesterday wasn't it which means it released in America the day like late the day before yeah maybe but you know so maybe maybe that was part of the reason right like at this point there's so many moving parts to the Finesse franchise that either that date was a reference to like hey that's when we're doing a movie drop or that was the original date for this website to go live but because there was already like Jason blum's like I'm gonna drop the news about the movie release yeah they had to push it back to a later date maybe and that's that's potentially the reason why so you're not getting like FNAF movie and new game and blah blah like all the FNAF you get a snap you get a snap you get a snap no I but going back to what you said earlier idea about uh what prompted Gregory to I don't know become not a thrall I like to think that that moment where where uh Glam Rock Freddy catches eyes with Gregory in the audience and they lock eyes across that could do it too and they're like uh We've we glitch out out of love for for each other so um The Power of Love solves everything that's right there's something to that because in GGY we see that glamor Freddy is like almost programmed to protect for no better term Dr rabbit Gregory to cover for him make sure he's safe so if there is a switch in Gregory and suddenly he's not under the thrall if the glitch at virus or something would go to send uh Glam Rock Freddy to go get him to be like oh he's not under my control get him that would conflict because his core programming is protect this kid and now he's got a command against that yeah that's cool but then also remember he did get rebooted at the very start of security breach so that might have changed his code or whatever for sure explanation exactly part of why he attacks in the low power mode once he got rebooted whatever that original programming was wiped but because he woke up in safe mode he was still able to do his own thing without yeah cool so uh real quick I I want to get make sure that we're hopping into the timeline talk now uh but the last thing I did want to say is uh I had a quick question for hyperdroid which is uh you also did an interesting thing with one of your recent kind of like timelines or or theories where you solve the timeline or solve the the order of events by Again songs about I mean every everything is in heavy quotes when we're talking about FNAF and then this happens yeah um where you solved it by basically looking at the the context of the time when the game was released right so like what was the story meant to be at that period in time like it was almost like a history given to us exactly tell me just a little bit about kind of your learnings from doing that or like some interesting conclusions or like what what was worthwhile about that approach I think well writers dropped a video today that was about FNAF 4 that's the one that definitely seems like it got changed again and again like there were nightmares there were actual nightmares but now they're real but now they're both it it goes back and forth but I wanted to do it that way because I think it's a little I found it very like more easy because you instead of having so much information all at once you're going how it was given to us and how because Scott mentions how he uh what is it follows up in the next game with something we got confused something like that but I found it way easier to just go game by game by game how Scott was trying to hint us and steer Us in certain directions yep it's great and and again like it goes to this idea of there's so many different ways of approaching this problem at this point which is so cool and I think that's really interesting to see the conclusions that that uh right host is getting the conclusions that hyperdroid's getting the conclusion that Heidi's fantasies like that that John you're getting like so many people are approaching this from so many different angles which then leads to my first major like now now we move on to the second Arc of our little of our little live stream here today which is the timeline itself let's talk about this and oh yes Ash what's going on oh Ash is flagging me down hi I had a good segue planned hello I'm gonna hold on my good segue don't forget what I just said guys all right okay yes don't forget what he said hi um I'm Ash what's up so you might after listening to all these questions be thinking wow I have questions I want to put that into the chat is anyone looking after that yes me so put your questions in the chat wow and I will throw them at these lovely lovely people closer to the end of the stream do you have one um well I have the question is anyone keeping track of questions for chat nice sir yes yeah yes who was that one by um that was by Kaleidoscope Universe well there you go Kaleidoscope Universe we are here and we are listening Ash has got it control I hear you I see you okay ready for my excellent segue yes now that's been completely completely derailed um this better be good well it was going from hey let's talk about like there's so many interesting conclusions ID throughout like whoa and we're all coming to different answers to which the question I have is is the timeline solvable is there a timeline can we solve it or no the way is Scott I think Scott knows what the timeline is but I I saw this great comparison made in my comment section the other day of how in in Dungeons and Dragons the DM knows what's going on and they can try to leave clues for the players but the players will just wildly misinterpret it all the time and then the DM tries to give more clues to serum on the right path and then they just keep going more and more off the rails so I think it's solvable but there's just a lot of information in so many different ideas that at this point Scott's probably the only one with a solid idea of what's going on yeah because he actually was the one who put the thought into it Dan as my favorite DM um does that resonate with you yeah I was I was gonna say as as the person that has dm'd Matt and Steph and the rest of the fears team um things get out of control real fast as a forever DM I relate we're bonding here you guys want to talk about Dandy the movie came out speaking of movies that have come out recently uh I will say though is like if the timeline is solvable there's I don't think there's a way to solve it as of the current state of where it is like here April 7 2023 when the movie comes out maybe we'll get a bit more when ruined DLC comes out then I feel like we can solve significantly more right now I just feel like there's too many missing pieces yeah with security breach it feels like they sort of cut out half the story so we don't even know what's going on there for most of it and so maybe ruin's gonna be us getting the other half that was originally so it's interesting right I would actually disagree and I think this is my own this is my own personal failing and I think it's I don't know like blame the franchise too but like and and docu I see you leaning back in your chair judgmentally at one point during that answer so I'm gonna toss this to you next we'll get ready but like to me I think the series has moved on from the initial five six games like I think we're now in post you know now we're in yeah you know uh FNAF VR and Beyond right we're past the inflection point of FNAF 6 ended whatever the first Arc was and now we're in like phase two of this this Marvel's actually technically would be phase three of this Marvel Cinematic Universe I guess because phase one would have been fnaf's one through four phase two was Sister location in six and kind of infinite World and that was phase two phase three then is this inflection point of uh FNAF VR AR security breach and then we'll see what they decide to do with ruin and Beyond but like to me I think we're in phase three of this franchise and yeah it feels like as someone who has spent way too much time in my fanatic uh with with my FNAF with my FNAF boys uh trying to solve this thing I think that the pieces I think that the pieces are in place for us but we just don't know how to put earlier I probably just worded it weird like the pieces are there we just don't know what we're doing with them all the time right and so and Docker what do you think again as as the other guy who has been here for a far too long uh you know and it was it's been here since the early days with with me uh what do you think yeah no I agree with that so yeah I think the pieces are there but there's so many pieces that kind of fit and some don't and there's different interpretations of those pieces that can be made um that I don't think that like like you could have a solid timeline but other people could disagree with it right but in the background Scott could be watching your video and going yeah this is this is exactly right this is the perfect timeline but because everybody's got different ideas it's very hard to you know everybody's timeline's right right yeah exactly yeah exactly do um yeah go ahead Darko I I think like like I said the pieces are there and I think that that segment is done I don't think we're gonna get like in in the room in DLC I think it would be very hard for them to fit things in from that era of the timeline to connect things um unless like in the future there's remakes of the games or I know steel wool were interested in possibly making a fredbear game so stuff like that might help in the future if remakes happen and stuff so um other than that I don't I don't know I think we're done with that now so right and and even if they are doing like a because I I know the interview that you're talking about with steel wool who are like we want to do a fredbear's Family Diner game yeah but that would be a very different era of the story right that would probably be like FNAF origins in a lot of ways that wouldn't be this kind of yeah because like really the the main plot and the one that we're like where's sister location fit in where's the murders fit in whatever all of that is this kind of like middle chunk where afton's already established murders have already happened or you know are in the process of happening whatever and you know Michael's exploring sister location right like that is you're what's what's the term for it uh in media res like the the action is already in progress we don't have their origin story which again is one of the things that in in our timeline and and why episode one I'm like this is kind of speculative and controversial but like you start getting hints as to what the origins are and kind of like what is the start of this story from books from graphic novels and from like the poster that's released in security breach but that's really about it yeah yeah I think I was gonna say go ahead tell me you go down oh I was just gonna quickly say I think it's important to note that now that everyone's completely disagreed with me that I am less the FNAF theorist and more the uh cynic so yeah yeah he he brings a cynical tape but now talk I think I think you you touched on something really interesting which is what I found when I I joined the team here was because I came in knowing as much as nafnor as I could from our own videos and then going right I'm now diving into these theories from the game theorist's perspective but all that is is theories upon theories upon theories upon theories at the end of the day there is very little that is like 100 confirmed in this franchise and so in terms of what is solvable yes it probably is but it would probably involve upending some of these core values that we have theorized for so long that we've basically made them Canon within the fandom um and I'm not just talking about theorists in general like as a thing I'm talking about like theorists of Naf over the internet but it's that thing of we are now so built so Theory deep now it's impossible to know where did we go wrong or where could we split and that's why it's been fascinating seeing like you guys all come up and do new theories with New Perspectives constantly finding new Clues and putting new stuff together but I think that's why it's it the clues are there for it to be solvable but I think given the state of where We've Ended up it's very hard to do it yeah I think oh go ahead go ahead oh I think part of the problem is it's a flawed question because I think at this point the timeline is solvable but finding the correct timeline is the issue because I think at this point in the franchise with the assumptions we have to make and the evidence we have you can come to several different completely like evidence-backed valid timelines the question is which one is the one that's intended and I think that's the issue where we're at interesting yeah so so then I toss it over to John and say like hey are we at a point in the series because I've had this debate with myself with other people like are we at this point in the series where it's like hey Scott but we'd love for you to hop on to Reddit for your one time of year at this point and bless us with like give us give us like three answers or like hey like confirm one or two things or or do you think the character Encyclopedia was meant to be that you know like was the character Encyclopedia like hey hey uh the FNAF 4 was actually a child dream or like it was the kid dreaming this whole time like that's pretty explicit or do we need like you know what what do we need at this point to feel confident um thoughts and prayers I I don't know yeah I think um I think the timeline is solvable I I really do think the story is solvable and all the pieces are in place for us um I think I don't think we're done with the past era of the games I disagree and I think the sister location room and security breach proves that and I think uh the message on the wall proves that I think when Scott said that all of his next games are gonna answer questions from his past games security breach and the what I coined is the into madness era of FNAF is his answer to Sister location because sister location was about building human animatronics and that is something he never ever touched on in his core games I think a lot of people like to say that they think into madness is still going to be its own game I think into madness is these new games and this is Scott's story still and I think um sister location still plays a big role in what we're seeing in security breach um that's what I think I think it is solvable and I think after ruin DLC it'll be a lot easier well and it's interesting right so you brought something that I hadn't really considered yet but I do feel like there's like one last chance to solve like one last ditch effort to solve this thing which I which I suspect is the movie right because Scott in his Reddit post said when he's like what what's the story of the movie and he's like Mike's story and like that's the one that we should go with or whatever like to me it feels like that is the last chance to tell what is like an an origin story or like the story of the murders or whatever it is right and so you know and we see in in the new poster that's released which we can talk about a little bit later or whatever but like you see approaching into a pizzeria that's that looks like decrepit and old or whatever and and so I could see this being like hey if they're gonna start with the story why not tell like the first games stories that would be my expectation right um and so and and that's where you're gonna bring the fan base on board that's where you're gonna bring like new viewers into this thing on board and so it's one of those things where like that might be like the last chance of us to be like here's the last clue that we're given about that original story that they're trying to tell here it is so so I actually kind of take back my like I do think that the clues are out there and that at this point if we're gonna solve it we can solve it but I think there are a couple more instances where something coming down the pipeline might give us more clues to put it all together again for sure and I think the the speech at the end of sister location where Mike is talking to his dad and he says I did what you told me to do and the fact that we see Michael's room and in security breach and the message on the wall is about building the breath and I think those are way more connected than we think um sorry oh sorry oh go ahead John in the message on the wall it people think that's referencing Gregory I'm kind of leaning towards this referencing Elizabeth Bots because um he's it says I built the breath uh They Hunted now Drawn to Life and in the sister location are of the yeah the sister location speech with Mike he says I uh put her back together I don't know no that's that's fair and I think I think the call out of why and and it's something that you know we didn't really talk about in our timeline because there was a lot of controversial stuff to talk about in security breach a lot of controversial stuff to talk about when solving security breach that we didn't really address the idea of like why is Michael's room in you know Michael's room or a recreation of Michael's room in in the pizza Plex of all like in a new portion of the pizza place it's very it's a very strange Moment Like was he living on the pizza place the whole time is this Recreation what is this place meant to be very confusing yeah yeah anyway uh hyper you had something you want to say um well it is about Michael as well and it's in the territory area of FNAF AR car emails so it could be still Canon probably not though but there is an email that I haven't seen touched on a lot really which is something that specifically says alert to Miss Michael not Michael but um and Afton yeah which to me I don't want it to be true but Michael might still be here somewhere but it was but it could have been cut because it's no longer Cannon Scott it's not I'm someone split on that specifically because like there's that email that's M Afton and that how many M aftons are there but just the ending of the the three-star ending security breach where you have Gregory Vanessa and Freddie on the hill and Gregory has the golden Freddy popsicle and Vanessa has the ice cream cone it feels like even if like even if you don't believe they are the Afton siblings it feels like at least it's paralleling them which would leave Freddy to be paralleling at least Mike and like why not have and if Freddy got possessed in the pizzeria simulator location it feels like that should be Mike so with the AR thing like maybe their initial intention was to have actual like human mic be around but maybe they scrapped that and I don't know well okay so so two things to come out of this uh and and I'll go with the first one uh but I I do want to come back to the second idea so first off I think hyper you bring up a good point which is controversial and I think Ebbs and flows within the fandom of this community which is how do we feel about cut content and what is and isn't usable right because uh a really good big example of this right is in the aftermath of security breaches release obviously everyone like rips the game open and starts looking at all the files and they're like this asset that leads to the Post-it room is called Charlie's door and oh my gosh look at this file folder that has the princess Quest Sprites in it it's called Cassidy and you know here's all these again meta Clues and in this very meta contextual story um or met a textual story where we're looking behind the lines we're looking into the code we're looking into all the places that we can possibly find lore and and yeah cut lines and cut dialogue is definitely part of that so where do you all sit when you're concocting your own theories or when you're coming to your own conclusions about this franchise how do you use that or do not are you just like nope keep keep me blind to it I I think the safe bet is always you can use it as supporting evidence but it should never be your Keystone I feel like that's the safest bet to go with and in I think it's fine to like if you see something in the cut content or the unreleased content that's it Sparks a train of thought and then you're able to find evidence from there but like if there is something in the games that contradicts it then it should probably take a step back and be like okay hold out until there's more I mean that's kind of like with the character Encyclopedia like sure there are some errors in it but if I see something in there that's like oh that's strange and it could lead to finding stuff out by looking in yeah like parts of it yeah just starts the train of thought I just gentulated to the camera oh I didn't mean to do that no no no no oh I think there's a difference between cut content and things being labeled in the source code and I think I value things being labeled in the source code like Cassidy and Charlie door more than cut voice lines that were supposed to be in the game same I this is um this is gonna be it's really hard to phrase but here's Finance go with me jumping in great uh why do I do the things I do can you give him a lower third that says uh yeah please yep Ash if you could just uh quickly do that for me thanks um I think the big thing is is that cut content shows intent rather than fact so going along with what Rye was saying is like it supporting evidence I think it definitely supports but I it's just simply not fact if it's going to be changed later on I think it shows the intent of what they were hoping to do with it but whether or not it actually followed through um is hard to tell yeah I think I think the trouble is always going is that thing of well why why was it cut so like the whole like you're bleeding versus your broken was that for a rating issue was that because Scott came in was like no this is me that's not clear enough let's make it this that's a clue um it's like in uh the fast facts of fnafar it outright confirms 1993 I think at one point as the date of like for F1 essentially and it's like well okay was that cut because we shouldn't be tied to that day was it cut because oh no that's too explicit was that like because another thing both those things could it could equally be true but they have very different outcomes depending on which one you go for so that that's where it's hard is there's it's like oh yeah we found this cut content but we have no idea why yeah unless steel wall is gonna walk us through every piece of cut content like we cut this one because of this and then at that point it might be revealing way too much and Scott's like oh no stop right there this is a really interesting thing uh because the dlz shipping Solutions whole bit about how I think the FNAF air animatronics were shipped to them all and the Post-its on the board in Monty's Gator golf all of that is cut content from FNAF they are so it's like it's it's cut content infant far the dlz shipping Solutions thing and Jimmy and all this kind of stuff remember Jimmy but then it shows up in security breach and it's like okay I think with fnafir specifically the question is was it cut content or was it supposed to be released and then FNAF AR got cut off and stuff for some reason another thing I saw about FNAF AR is that some things got leaked and then a Lumix or whatever started just wiping things that got leaked I saw this on Reddit somewhere or something so it could be that that was originally going to be Canon but because it got leaked they just sort of stopped and I think it's that thing like we like we've kind of all been saying it's that thing of uh yeah sure okay so those emails were cut or were never released or whatever but then John as you've said you then you can go through security breach and find the evidence in which case it becomes a there's a connection you can kind of look at look back at that and go okay it's not my main evidence but actually all of these things do tie up and I can see there's legitimacy in that rather than just going here's a fuzz fact it is now fact even though it was cut like you know it's there's a difference there so this this goes back to and we're stepping a bit kind of like holistically again but this goes back to one of my other questions which is you know I I asked earlier like what does Scott need to do or like what does this franchise need to do at this point to like do we need them to confirm stuff do we need them to you know give us a couple extra hints or whatever to help move things forward do you think that the state of the lore and being theories on theories and theories and what is cut versus what is not and like it lives in a very gray space right now we're constantly questioning everything we're constantly like is this Canon is this not you know is this right is this wrong is this theories on theories and theories or is this like well supported do you think at this point for the health of the franchise that there needs to be some extra confirmation do you think the audience still is eager to solve these Mysteries or do you think they're like oh my gosh this is so deep and and lost in the weeds that I don't understand this and you know just like all of us who are like we're trying to solve this and it's our homework and we're doing our homework and it's a full-time job like we've said that repeatedly and imagine the fans where I watch a John Theory video or I watch a a right toast video or I watch you know hyperdroid or whatever and I'm like okay let me go back and you see it on our reactions live at this point where I'm like okay let me just like pause and reflect on the last decade of animatronic murders and okay so they're referencing this thing that happened in like the year of 2007. like it's there's so much back catalog for us who know this stuff right and so one of my goals with with releasing a timeline was hey let's put us on a same page here to at least start talking about you know give us like something that we can all latch on to a foundation on which we can build and talk from there and yeah debunk and show that this was wrong and this was wrong or like this is right and this wrong but like give us all a common language that we can then build on and and take apart and rebuild so that way we can understand this franchise do you think at this point the audience needs that is eager for that or you think everyone's like oh I'm fine being in this like weird nebulous space like this weird gray area I think FNAF thrives on that honestly like we wouldn't all be here today without it so I think it needs they don't need to necessarily reveal things but maybe another hint or two that might be good but but I feel like the whole FNAF Community thrives on the old stuff the new stuff the in-between just trying to solve things that we've been given yeah like the reason there's such a thriving theorist Community is because because so little is confirmed people can talk about it and discuss and come to different conclusions I would not be able to make the content that I do if things were confirmed a certain way and like it would probably be nicer for the Casual fans if things were confirmed but like there are pros and cons to any decision you're going to make with something like this and since FNAF is so heavily based on people making theories about it I I can understand I can understand why Scott would be reluctant to put things out there officially I think um that this is less of a thing that the audience may need and more of something that it's a Scott decision because when it comes down to it is yeah the community surrounding FNAF and the theorists and everything that has come from the franchise is such a big part of what has kept it alive for what nearly 10 years now am I right am I wrong it's been almost 10 years yeah nine nine years this year earlier DACA was talking about reboots and stuff and I'm like oh my god I didn't even think about that but no he's not wrong like I just got attached yeah yeah and so um so the the big thing is that it's it's really a question for Scott and it's a Scott decision because it's for him is if he doesn't feel like his story is being portrayed in the way that he wants to tell it then he will give solid facts I feel like I think um I think you saw a little bit of that you know way way back during the first FNAF TalkBack stream where he was updating his site based off of what you guys were talking about because he was trying to get he wanted to eat like like any Storyteller you want to tell your story and so it's really up to Scott like if he feels that um the story wants to tell needs solidified like groundwork for people to build theories on he'll do that I think that's what he's doing with the books right now I think that's what GGY is um and I think Scott in the Scott interview with doco uh said that every time he's reached out and tried hinting at things it's been a mistake so I think he isn't going to do that ever and I think that's what these books are but the frustrating thing about that is there's so many stories in these books and some of them are Canon but some of them are not so it's like you have to decide and then bits and pieces yeah it's it's yeah but I think that's what like GGY is and stuff like that the hints honestly at this point I feel like more important than anyone coming out to confirm anything would be some sort of light deconfirming of cut content of interesting parts of which parts of books are Canon like not necessarily being like oh this is exactly how Remnant works but saying like oh this thing in the books not don't worry about it that was just a story flare or oh these cut lines were cut because of an age rating or something like that like just little things like that would really help not and solve it for us but clean up the mess in front of us and that's what I kind of expected from The Ultimate Guide in all this sort of stuff but when I was when I was in The Fanatic we were looking at the ultimate guidebook and it said some theorize I'm like this is unhelpful yeah some theories yeah yeah that's what we said that's what we're doing yeah that's yeah no and I think that's that's fair rights but but to contrast that again this goes to one of the more controversial releases in the last year since you know since security breaches releases and as we're kind of in this middle period waiting for kind of the next big wave of things to come out was the character Encyclopedia right and that has you know some spicy takes in it right it's it's got some things that I would argue are confirming and or like for like 98 like FNAF 4 is inside the mind of a child dreamer right like that's the one that I go to but there's a couple moments like that throughout that book where it's like and this and it's it's not the popular answer at this point but it feels like he's trying to confirm it but people in in you know the community have really been like they have not really received that book well and I think that that is interest like I believe ID said it earlier where you know or maybe it was Dan uh or Tom who's who's said like we have spoken some things into can't I think it was Tom actually who says like we have spoken some things into Canon and now they're can and now we're kind of like stuck with some of that stuff and I and I I wanted to kind of jump in there and also add I think to a certain extent too there are certain things that the the audience and the the fandom of this community have also kind of like accepted or adopted into Canon and and are so attached to because we're so eager to have something solid to hold on to and some answers here to stand on that that were really loathe to acknowledge that when the character Encyclopedia is like hey maybe it was actually the crying child the whole time streams or hey maybe Michael Afton was helping his father bother the entire time rather than being a Walking Corpse Who's acting against him or whatever and like it's one of those things where I I recognize that for as much as we've spoken things into into being I think we ourselves I I can I know for a couple theories where I'm like I think that this is what was intended but the fan backlash has been so strong I'm like oh maybe I just back off it and it goes back to the dream theory right and what's inside the box or Scott himself kind of felt the same way where he's like this was the story as I intended it but I realized that the fans would have such backlash around this or I was worried that people would react so negatively to it that I changed it right like he outright says that and so again it's one of those things that throughout the history of this franchise Scott himself us a lot of other people have been yeah we're all co-creating this together but at the end of the day it's the fandom that is you know deciding what they do and don't want to accept into their own personal head cannons in order to go forward I think the character Encyclopedia is interesting uh any any thoughts in general around the the feedback that the controversial character Encyclopedia has gotten from anyone doco a special thanks to you uh for your thoughts don't worry I do not blame you for it okay just to let you guys know right yeah yeah I just read I just read over the book okay I didn't write that it was the dream that like the the job was in a dream or anything that wasn't me just to let you know I just read it over uh you were just were you just spell checking basically actually it's not r x q y y it's our excuse please Scott respect your lord pretty reasonable yeah um no we we with the encyclopedia saying that it's the you know the dream and stuff like I I know that people don't like that take but surely like I I thought like it just could be like it could be both right so for now four could take place in a dream yeah but that bedroom and everything can still be real if that makes does that make sense so yeah I somewhat agree with that actually yeah I think it can just be a mix of both my thing is my issue was with it specifically saying that we play that we play the nightmares in FNAF 4 as the crying child because I don't know how FNAF one phone guy was making his way into the crying child's nightmares and Mike had to see nightmare fredbear at some point to draw him into the logbook so I think that it's possible that maybe the crying child did go to these physical locations where he was messed with by William and that maybe he he projected those like similar dreams on to Michael but Michael would still be the one we play as in FNAF 4 because elements of his experiences work their way in so with the character Encyclopedia saying oh yeah we play as the crying child in FNAF 4. to me it seemed more like that was taking popular fan Canon because a lot of what I see is people saying that it was the crying child and put and going based off of that and maybe it was like there there are ways that things in there could be interpreted to to like come to other conclusions but like the book also implied that Charlie and the book survived childhood she died at the age of like two or three so I don't know so like there are ways you can interpret things in order to make it work with what evidence is actually there but I'm not going to like be fully reliant on it on the off chance that it says something wrong like bon bon being in FNAF 3. I want to dive deeper into I definitely want to dive deeper into the character Encyclopedia because I think that it's an interesting take right because it's an officially released thing that you know is something that has a lot of stuff in it right and wrong and so where where does that sit and everyone's in everyone's heads I think that's an important thing to talk about but uh going back to doco's point about like hey maybe things can happen at different times or it's the same thing you know there there's multiple things that can be happening here I I do want to call out something that I think is always really interesting but also makes the lore that much more complicated immediately which is you go back as early as FNAF too and FNAF 2 the tapes the the training the training tapes the phone guy tapes are welcome to your summer job at Freddy Fazbear's but your paycheck is not in the summer right and so it's one of those no matter how you slice it no matter what hemisphere of the world you're working in it is not the summer and and already that tells you that there is some weird timey whimy Shenanigans going on here between the tapes and the paycheck that you're getting and maybe what you're hearing is a past event and what's you're seeing the paycheck is a current event or vice versa like it it creates these layers of confusion and it becomes very difficult to kind of like parse through that stuff and and let alone to not just to solve from a theorist perspective but then to communicate that to an audience who is trying to process this in a you know 15 minute video where it's like hey we solved who foxy you know Glam Rock foxy is or whatever like where's easy this this game or whatever so like I understand the frustrations and confusion by a lot of the viewers and a lot of the fans where you know when you're like oh yeah we're listening to tapes but those tapes aren't actually happening in real time and the security guard that we're seeing isn't actually happening in real time and it's not 1987 or maybe it is like we don't know but here's the evidence of it it I on one hand I always always want to go back to Occam's razor of like the simplest solution is the the correct solution or more often than not is the correct solution because it just clarifies everything and I think the audience would love that sort of thing but on the other hand you point at this franchise and it's like FNAF 2 nightmare but also they're real and also Mike saw them at some point FNAF 3 whoever's that security guard is has seen all the other animatronics at some point so they must be there too unless as John said he's envisioning the future which is you know a take that is possible maybe um I agree with you I agree with you no see but there you go like you know are they saying the future are they seeing the past is it hallucinations is it go like who knows but I think like it is a very complicated series and you can interpret it a lot of ways uh but anyway that was that was my thoughts there real quick any other thoughts on a character Encyclopedia before I let you go to town on my timeline taco actually I've made some Flags here let me pull up the document hold on well I mean uh John and I uh a while back we were on a call and we were talking about like the shadow animatronics and like that was something that we were really kind of hoping to like where I personally was hoping for more clarification in the encyclopedia and it honestly left me with more questions than answers which is so interesting because like for the most part all like in the first four games the animatronics are like they're haunted because of the anger that they have towards Afton and yet Shadow Freddy is the one that is could potentially be helping Afton in FNAF 3 and night game mini games where he's leading the animatronics to be disassembled and so I'm sitting I thought I had things somewhat figured out and I was left with so many more questions after like just going through a few pages I think my I think one of my favorites coming out of the character Encyclopedia was like oh the giant silhouette of the puppet that you find when you fall down in the mangle FNAF 3 mini game that's apparently its own Standalone character that may or may not exist depending on what timeline you're talking about you know and it's like no phone guy oh okay cool that was the other no phone guy or no phone dude no missing children either which is like the biggest I think yeah I have this entire list that Scrolls across the screen for like a solid is still on Phantom Foxy's of just he's in a worse State than withered Foxy's his hook hand has gone astray dot dot dot and in FNAF 3 his hook hand has gone astray I love that so much they included they really wanted to emphasize that point straight guys yeah oh yeah so there's something about that hookah maybe that's the biggest mystery of FNAF where where is this okay that's what it is like forget who this is the new toy chica's beak yeah has gone astray okay so uh now that we've uh made doggo sweat for more more times than he really needs to because it was not your fault like don't worry about it like again to clarify dear internet let me talk to you internet do not give Taco a hard time about this book he just read it uh you know so so there you go um but it's one of those things where okay let's let's hop into actual timeline toxins that's the thing that you know we just finished and uh for those of you watching at home if you want to see our timeline uh all cobbled together as one seamless narrative as a like hour-long beautiful arcing story narrative whether or not it's true or not uh it is available right now on on Spotify actually uh oh yeah John is excited about that oh that's cool yeah we uh so we're starting to Port over some of our uh old episodes our favorite episodes over to Spotify since we've heard a lot of people telling us that hey like you know I don't have YouTube premium I want to turn off my phone I want to just be able to listen while I'm coasting down the highway or whatever to some some of matpat's obnoxious voice and uh so there's so I think 20 episodes or so over there at this point so they're over there right now and as like a special kind of like hey it's it's launch day uh we we put together all of the FNAF timeline just narrative bits together into just kind of like a here it's like an audio podcast or like an audiobook that you can listen to so uh that's available on Spotify right now just look for us over on uh game theorist or Game Theory and you'll find us that's awesome yeah so really thank you thank you really quick before we get into the content and start tearing apart the theory um sorry man I watched it I'm ready to tear it apart okay so that's what I wanted to talk about it's like editing this thing was perhaps one of the best edits I've done it was so like there are like certain theories that like you can tell that the editors just like suddenly click and it's just like yes this is what we want to like what we really want to dig into and this was one of them like Matt I I was telling you about uh when you were out here uh is that like I did only two minutes out of that entire thing like shout out to uh every editor that worked on the editor who we have on staff basically yeah like Ty like Tyler J Pedro warak uh I think Dom touched some of it said just did some of it sedge like I only did two minutes of it and it was probably like at least for 2023 that's gonna be my favorite two minutes that I've edited out of the entire course I will say it was one of your edit was one of my favorite edits that I've seen you do specifically but just in general for the timeline I love that section yeah no one knows what we're talking about but it's a good section it's do you want to shout out your section Dan you can shout out my section is where uh is the actual first Afton murder yeah was the section I did uh and there was the point where I was looking for a crazy laugh I couldn't find one in our epidemic sound like stock s uh like sound effects so I just went and recorded afton's crazed laugh myself and I [Applause] and the fact that that was one of those moments is concerning to me it's not every day that you're able to put yourself in the mindset of a serial killer committing their first murder you know like it's not every day for you exact honestly uh oh no but honestly anyway it was like I think the whole theorist team like we recognize that there were shortcomings and we recognized that there were certain like logical leaps we knew what was going to be controversial and we tried to lampshade The Living Daylights out of it because we were like this is gonna make people mad but let's do it but I think across the board it was one of those moments where it felt really climactic for us as a team and it felt really nice and so like I'm more than eager to talk about the factual inaccuracies or the theoretical inaccuracies about it but it's one of those things where just as a product of all of us working together I am so proud and and constantly in awe of the team that that we have that that worked on that to put that together because it's it's great it's one of those moments where I like look back on the catalog of like we've I think of there's like a thousand theories across all the channels at this point which is disgusting in its own right I'm so sick of my voice at this point but please stop uh I'm like oh that is one of those Pinnacle moments of like that's awesome I'm really proud of us yeah yeah I I are you satisfied with your timeline then am I satisfied with it yeah uh I am here's the thing I am narratively satisfied with it I am satisfied with it as a story that is available to listen to on Spotify and it's a delightful listening and I'm and I'm satisfied with it from a from a creative standpoint am I satisfied with it from a all the questions are answered thing no and and I think it's one of those like I tried to make that very clear in kind of like my post episode talkbacks where I'm like yeah here are the big gaps of logic and here are the things that I don't have a good answer for but I want us to if I the thing is if I waited to solve it all it would have never come out right yeah because I think all as we've talked about this you know for the last hour at this point is you know you can't let the The Good the perfect get in the way of the good right and I think we all need a place to talk about stuff and then from there we can build and tear down and like focus on individual moments right um so with that being said uh and hopefully you've all watched or at least listened to the theory at some point there are definitely some controversial elements uh first off things that seemed generally agreed upon um you know what what things as a group can we collectively say like hey that's that seems about right from what I've seen in my comment section because I I've made a video for almost like every part at this point the comments that I've been getting seem to mostly agree that part two of the timeline seems to be the most agreeable I've seen like oh there's been people disagreeing with some parts of one three four I've gotten maybe like two comments of people like I don't agree with part two part two definitely seems like the strongest of the timeline yeah yeah cool and that's yeah yeah on my notes I've got good timeline for the second video okay doco has this no so since Taco is referencing his notes uh feel free hop in I think that's a really great place to start uh so let's let's start at the very beginning a very good place to start um with with yeah the dancing bear show right so obviously as we talked about earlier on this live stream right you know uh steel wool wants to make a fredbear's Family Diner origin story but as a part of that you know in security breach there is one poster and it is in black and white and it says Fred bear's singing show where tickets are a couple cents or whatever it is and if you track back the style of Animation if you track back the cost of the ticket if you track all that back it it all links back to what is it 1930s like right it's it's 1930s and so very clearly that is the starter point of the franchise and if you look at the history of entertainment and like circus-based entertainment you have Dancing Bear shows in you know in rural towns or kind of like Sideshow attractions where there is a trained bear who literally is like doing a little jig or whatever and so for me if this is truly the start of the story or at least the first like hey it's in the game it is there and it's it's referencing some way it can't be you know like any of our main characters themselves who are start like initially I'm like oh I'd like that to be you know William or Henry or one of our guys who like then goes on to make it into animatronics and but like that's the first Domino that falls but for me and don't get me we'll talk about Mrs Afton and how she is not 90 years old or 120 years old guys dude please let's do that math is not hard with friends it's like do you math bro like it's a hard subtraction like granted I'll admit that I messed up by saying like oh Elizabeth would be like young or whatever like that was my my mistake like uh but after everyone being like she'd be dust I'm like no she's not dust um we'll get to that um but for fredbears right uh so if it can't be any of the guys themselves like I was fudging the dates a little bit so that way William Afton could be like I was assuming it's like 19 like late like 40s era where he's able to like see that as a kid a young kid and that being a formative experience that makes him want to go on to make animatronics that that recreate that magical moment right because either that or it's a family business that that they've inherited right like whether it's William or Henry because security breach is so focused on the Afton family and there's a lot and it's at that poster is at the Afton table and this and that because of all of The Afton references that are throughout that that game you know do I think that that Freddy links closer to Henry in like the the graphic novels and stuff yes but because security breach is so fixated on Afton and because that's at The Afton table and all of this stuff I'm like well it must be United to Afton in some way so either the Afton family had a singing show of a bear that then William goes on to recreate an animatronic form or it was a formative experience that he then kind of tries to recreate and I was looking at Walt Disney I was looking at the history of Chuck E cheese and all of those things really lined up with kind of like his origin or his motivation so that's that was my thought but clearly you you disagree or have thoughts for yourself uh no I just said it as a joke from Hurricane Utah and he was me uh the thing is Utah doesn't have Bears apparently so she's like what on Earth is a bear doing this like they have black bears but they don't have grizzly bears okay so there's a bear it's a bear I guess there are also traveling Services grizzly bear from out of state yeah I don't know yeah traveling show man I mean it's just interesting that steel will put that in the game in the first place yeah right yeah with with the other two posters as well when the the game doesn't really have any references to fredbear's apart from those three posters right right yeah and I've already said the interest with oh what what what sorry no there's one more unfortunate reference which is Glam Rock Freddy's purple bow tie which I don't even want to get into oh yeah glamorph radio and there there still was interesting mate like they've said before that they're interested so I feel like maybe they put those in if they didn't really connect with anything else they might have been hinting like yeah we we might be making a fredbear's game in the future hopefully but it's a scat move it's being vague and then so I can pick up up on that lead yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah but it's there like but it's there right yeah like it's important like sure yeah that's that's the thing and again as I'm not just only creating a timeline and a story it's also like what are the things that people haven't heard before because and again this goes to like what I was talking about earlier with hyperdroid in your timelines where I like seeing it from a character perspective I like seeing it from a narrative perspective because I feel like you know me talking about fingers and toes of of robots for like the umpteenth time it's like people have heard this you get lost in the weeds whereas again I wanted to pitch this for like we've been talking about this whole time the Casual FNAF fan who is like the lore is overwhelming for me at this point but I can get but I can understand and comprehend a narrative about these characters and understand like motivations character arcs you know and and humans actual humans rather than plot device plot device plot device plot device event event that was that was my goal with this and that's why laying that groundwork was so important even though I knew that the only thing that I had to like hang it on was there's this one poster in the most recent game but it's there and it's in black and white and and based on all the evidence and history that we you know the real life research that we tend to do with this stuff it all matches up pretty cleanly I I agree with that I think you were right I think you were right on the nose and that was really awesome I liked that a lot well thank you I appreciate it I thought it was pretty cool my main concern was like okay if if fredbear's singing show is its own thing owned by someone else and then they were like and then and then William's using the same fredbear's name would there be issues with that because because then you brought up copyright stuff later I'm like well if he's using fredbear and then someone else said fredbear but if it is like a family business like maybe his parents had it yeah and maybe that's where the British accent came from they decided to come from the UK like and then say you know what we're gonna give these Americans in Utah a dancing bear well I mean that tracks with the history of Vaudeville as well yeah like Vaudeville was very much an imported uh thing of entertainment where like early on people would come over and like well we have this theater background let's do these traveling shows yeah yeah my my thing I I like it a lot because the one thing that's always bothered me with FNAF is not truly understanding like how Afton thinks or what his motivation is other than like the first four games it's oh yeah he bad guy yeah and slowly through the books in some of the other games we kind of get a bit more context but the idea of establishing very quickly like up like narratively starting off with a passion helps motivate or continue to motivate him throughout the thing like if he was just someone inheriting his family's business he would have to be all in on that business as well so even if maybe Afton saw it on the side decide to do it whether he inherited it the fact is is that he was passionate about what he saw and wanted to bring that to life without an actual bear so okay so that was controversial point one from episode one controversial point two from episode one was hey the mediocre Melodies what are they like and and I think recently again this is one of those more recent like in the last year Revelations that hey maybe these things were more important than they initially seemed do we have thoughts as far as like where they fit in or kind of like what those might be because again this is one of those in the character Encyclopedia where it kind of confirmed a suspicion that I had or at least heavily supported a suspicion I had which is the fact that there is a Ned bear and a fredbear there you know and and that the character Encyclopedia calls out like hey he's pretty darn close to that fredbear guy but just different enough to not be copyright infringing or whatever that confirms something that I had suspect for a while which is like hey it seems like they were coming from either a rival restaurant or whatever and and that also coincides with the Chuck E cheese parallels that might have impacted the the early development of this story um any any thoughts on the mediocre's or we're all like hey Matt you knocked it out of the park on that one um well I I just I just put like I thought they were just made for Just Pizza simulator only um that they are new and the reason with the batteries at the back like the battery power is not because they're old it's just because they're cheap knockoffs um and I just bought that rip-offs for Henry's location just for the the the pizza simulator buy them from catalogs and stuff so yeah if they were older Henry had the rights to the company back then so he could have just made the original pretty game yeah right well like why would I think it makes more sense that he lost the company and way in the future had to make these because he no longer has the rights to the original ones yeah that's why it's a knockoff of Freddy Fazbear yeah one thing that I did think about with uh the part whatever of your timeline I don't remember which part was in which one started I don't know but um one thing was like you you had it so that Williams Company went and was not doing well financially and then it got taken in by Henry's yeah and what seemed off to me was like okay if Henry's is the one that is the one that's succeeding why wouldn't they go with his characters it is it is weird right the but if you look at the history of Chuck E cheese that's kind of what Chuck E cheese did where and and again like it's one of those things where you're like why did the why would they do this as a business decision but Showtime I believe it's ShowBiz Pizza was the more successful franchise at that point and they are the ones that bought out or like bailed out of debt Chuck E cheese But Chuck E cheese was the franchise that they decided to move forward with and the characters that they decide to put in the spotlight for reason like just well go ahead is that it's that thing of characters could be more can be still be successful and recognizable as characters the business doesn't necessarily succeed purely based on the popularity of a character then I have the concern that in the silver eyes and stuff William was the businessman who knew that and Henry was just the robot guy that is that is true and that's one of those things that again like for doesn't frustrate me about the books but I wish lined up cleaner in that because you're absolutely right like since the beginning it's always like Henry is the creative one and William is the businessman one right like that's the books make that very clear but it's hard to justify that against you know William uh being at least partially responsible for the fun time animatronics that have like claws that rip open you know and him being this like mad scientist and and him outright owning Afton robotics like unless he's convincing a bunch of people to make these things you know and and especially like Henry to make these things which I like is hard for me to justify from a character motivation standpoint it it kind of you have to kind of like well he's the guy who's doing it I guess so that's that's the only reason why I in the games I challenge that whereas in the in the books you're absolutely right and I and I agree 100 yeah I feel like there was something in the ultimate guide while we were doing research for this where it suddenly talks about afton's prowess in robotics and we were like wait what he was the business guy and that's what got us down that train of thought I think you're right actually no it was now that you mentioned that there was a moment where we're like oh ah that hadn't considered that before I mean also to just kind of back that up too is like in the books uh Henry's the one to make the robot kid to make Charlie correct yeah yeah yeah and so and then in the games it's flipped uh Henry kind of like are you saying that there's a robot kid how dare you um but like it's it's flipped in the games whereas like afton's trying to bring back his family like according to like most the base most timelines kind of line up with that whereas Henry very much like doesn't seem to be going down that path so like again like the books they say hey you should pay attention to it but they never tell you how much you should pay attention to it what deals are or what details are incredibly important and so like yeah so I think she's also in in the fourth closet William does end up making the Funtime animatronics right um so yeah I don't know just like I feel like the characterization of the characters like I feel like the main difference between the the Silver Eyes Trilogy and the games is did Henry decide to rebuild Charlie but other than that I feel like things line up like would would not not necessarily all the events carry over because we have Charlie bot but I feel like the characterization and the general World building is something that would carry over fair so do not go for it you think chica's party world is was the mediocre Melodies with chica correct I I pitched it as the other yeah the other restaurant franchise right that that Henry at one point okay so basically it's that there's chica's Party World or some equivalent that the mediocre Melodies plus chica existed in compared to Freddy's which was afton's franchise yes at one point chica's subsumes afton's and or Freddy's and they create Freddy Fazbear's entertainment in which they showcase the greatest hits of both franchises characters which is chica as well as the other guys and the last thing I'll throw out there is one of the core points that I don't think I mentioned but was brought up in the aftermath which again I'm glad about the timeline going out there so people can start looking deeper into these and debunking or supporting things is in the FNAF 3 ending you have the four masks lit up right in the bad ending they have lights in their eyes actually uh yes thank you five bad ending because uh golden Freddy's in the back um and you have Freddy foxy Bonnie all with vertical Slants and their eyes are vertical like shutters in their eyes and Chica is the only one who's different who has a circle in in her eyes and so again it seems to Showcase that chica is fundamentally different or separate from the other three animatronics I don't think so well chica's Party World doesn't get introduced until way after FNAF 3 comes out so it doesn't get mentioned speaking until then mentioned I mean but I don't think Scott had that well but of course not but don't die exactly guess what was there was there a fredbear's was there a dancing bear from the 1930s thought about you know but security briefs decide like let's retcon that in there like whoa no I'm not a retcon if it wasn't established to not happen no no you're you're dead right absolutely that is absolutely a fair call but I I don't disagree with you but also we know that now at some point in this franchise there is a chica's party world and that chica was a headliner somewhere at some point chica's party world is is was only talked about in one place it was on the source code of the sister location teaser as one of the places that the uh the rental service The Afton Funtime rental service was renting out to the only animatronic we don't see in Sister location is Funtime chica right who is different colors than the rest of the fun times that is what I think because there's no way that which like Sherry Biz I feel like saying that chica's party world happens so early in the timeline is discounting the only time we ever hear of chica's party world is we can line up with that fun time service it would line up with Chuck E cheese though because ShowBiz Pizza continued to exist for a long time after after they purchased Chuck E cheese they continue to work as separate establishments while sharing characters and then eventually but that Ruins Your Way emerged could continue to operate as a as a so they didn't emerge early on to make Freddy first no they did no that's what I'm saying companies are under one Banner there are just multiple restaurants like how Taco Bell and Pizza Hut are the same company but we're talking about it yeah exactly we're talking about the validity of content the Chucky juice story isn't even contact I mean it's like I mean it's true you're right but and this is again like this is one of those things that I as a theory and again we all approach theorizing in our own ways like one of the things that we've always done like on the channels is look at real world lore and real real world Science History math whatever and apply it to the logic of video games if I'm a Creator a video game creator say my name's Scott right and I'm like huh I need to come up with a lore around my very Chuck E cheese adjacent video game where can I get like how should maybe I should be researching the history of animatronic you know and mascot suits and things like that and so I go back and I look at you know like the history of Chuck E cheese and I look and I draw inspiration from that or I mean again like in in that episode one I specifically call out the fact that like the suits the mascot suits that you see uh with five fingers right the mascot suits that people are wearing around that have five fingers that only started in the mascot world because it was an innovation from Walt Disney at that time who Disney himself was like I want my characters to be able to hug and I want their hands to feel realistic and and movement wise and so he created a separate you know original human uh like a mascot suit that humans could wear that would match that and again like there is a very clear timeline that hist real world history has dictated around the design and activity of different mascot suits over the years which maps on at least you know to some extent like into a lot of the like technological advances and designs that we're seeing of the animatronics the suits it's spring locks or otherwise of the characters throughout throughout the FNAF franchise and so it matches the real world history it matches the idea of like if I'm a Creator I'm looking for stories to tell that I can kind of map on or Draw inspiration from so that's that's why you're right it's not canon it's not content but it is a source of of material that if you're looking at a very Meta Meta sense of this like Scott could have been influenced by yeah I think it comes down to um just whether or not did Scott want to completely take Chuck E Cheese's history and then like make it like beat by beat in his thing like that's a big thing no totally I it's it's It's tricky because like you know shout out to food Theory but like when we covered it over there but um it's great I know it's so crazy we work so incredibly hard uh or I mean they work so incredibly hard is that the guy that ate his own Christmas tree he's weird he's a weirdo yeah um but the thing is it's like you know it's it's so there's so many things that you can like go oh he's he's totally pulling from Chuck E cheese and then there's just enough stuff to go like well kind of like I mean our first theory on FNAF in the beginning was uh retelling an incident that happened at a Chuck E cheese um so it's like it looks like he's looked at Chuck E cheese as a franchise to pull inspiration from it's just a question of how much did you pull just a little bit or did he pull so much more okay so we we all agree like that there is some some funniness to the to the beginning of things let's hop into uh what I know ID has very strong opinions about uh which is uh where's sister location when does when does that when does that game give me a date yeah if anyone can help solve this one that would be great I have had so many debates with people about this on my gilded server hence my very strong feelings yeah no no and I think at this point like the reason why everyone liked episode two of our franchise or of our timeline is because episode two was like here's the sequence of murders here's how they happened and and we all basically agree like this this is pretty much what we know happens in the game and then sister location comes in and is like here's this really futuristic Tech here's Elizabeth death here's ennard you know here's the closure of Freddy Fazbear's pizza and circus baby's entertainment and rentals which is different from circus baby's Pizza World which close at a different time like there's a lot of like I think at this point you know everyone knows like oh FNAF 4 is frustrating and oh midnight motorist is confusing and and whatever but I think we've wrapped our heads around at least a lot of core components of those but sister location is just the odd game out when it comes to like where does it fit though and and why and so uh ID I know you called me out I'm kind of like me taking a weird middle ground on that one um but I'd love you know let's let's solve it right now when does sister location happen all right so I am personally of the opinion that it would take place before FNAF 2. where at the very least before FNAF one in part because I think narratively it makes sense that earlier on in the timeline like as John has pointed out Mike was helping William Afton and he went to Sister location on his dad's orders to put his sister back together but after that point I I feel like Mike's activity sorry I'm gonna backtrack my thoughts a little bit so there are a few factors one um Mike says he's going to go find his father and he shows up at the FNAF 2 in FNAF One locations pretty much like FNAF 2 days after Williams there it sounds like and the FNAF one location I put William's death before FNAF one for a couple reasons um first the animatronics in the follow me mini games have buttons like the withered animatronics I'm not saying they are the withered animatronics or anything because this would still be after FNAF 2 but because they were using the withered animatronics in uh in the snap one location they probably just finished repairing them and kept the same general designs and therefore there were B buttons I do know that some people have said oh the Sprites are inconsistent uh between different mini games and different games and like in one mini game there's this whole thing where it's withered Freddy we know that but there aren't buttons but to me it makes more sense that like in a simplified character sprite you're going to only include the details that are necessary to understand what's going on and it feels strange to me to add details that don't actually exist on those characters especially since this was supposed to be the final game of the franchise and then another thing that um I found interesting is a phone guy there are two things with phone guy that lead to me putting William's death before FNAF one and that's first his phone call about sealing the safe rooms um so a phone guy was alive and he died in FNAF one that would have to put the thing beforehand but if William did tear down the wall and then another wall got put back up another thing that's interesting phone guy in FNAF 1 says that if the animatronics catch you they'll shove you into an animatronic suit which implies he's seen that happen before which could be William in the spring lock suit in the back room that is interesting huh that's an interesting call out I hadn't thought about that and as such I would because William was at the rental location and the rental I don't think it would make sense if the rental location opened and it was open through multiple Freddy's opening and closings based on handing it just saying the one closing Freddy Fazbear's Pizza to me that makes sense to just like one they thought the franchise was over at that point or whatever or at least the local one was over um it's interesting some point yeah the the closure line is the closure line is written no no you're fine the the closure line is really interesting because you know and and it calls into question like hey the the gameplay of fnaf1 and FNAF 2 especially like are those open pizzerias or those closed pizzerias because I I and I called this out in my reaction to your reaction to my reaction to your reaction uh it's because all the content internet content is the oroboros eating itself uh but but like I think that you can have the franchise close down but still need a security guard at those pizzerias because you need a skeleton crew or something to protect them to make sure that vandals aren't coming in and breaking stuff and whatever like you know that there's still materials and Equipment there in this old abandoned building right and and so one of the questions I I've always had right and it feels like to me that the gameplay sex sections of snap one and FNAF 2 you are in especially if an F1 is closed pizzerias and you are just a skeleton crew security guard who's there just because someone has to be there right so for those gameplay moments to happen after the closure of the FNAF franchise as we hear about in Sister locations like opening monologue I think you can still have validity there and you can still be visiting those locations and having that gameplay even after the events of sister location I do yeah with sister location specifically my thing is like okay which closure does it take place after because I don't think it's I don't think it would make sense if they had opened and closed a bunch of times and then hand unit just says uh due to the closing of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza I feel like that would have to be just one specific thing in because it makes it sound like the rental location opened somewhat recently well and and last thing I'll say and then I know Riley you want to say something but like for me it's one of those things where this goes back to to John saying chica's Party World right where if I'm Fazbear and I have chica as a star of my of my show right I don't necessarily want her headlining a different pizza place but if all of a sudden or like you know or maybe it was like an old brand that got revived after the closure of Freddie like Freddy Fazbear's as a brand is now toxic because all these people are dying in it so it's closed but I'm fine renting the Chica animatronics out to the the old franchisor like rebooting the brand under her because you know she was always popular we had this other historical Nostalgia thing here but for Freddy Fazbear's to be open at the same time as chica's party world is open doesn't make as much sense to me because then you have two chica in two different places at once uh right toes go for it I I have so I like the idea of the gameplay of FNAF 1 and 2 taking place long after closing like we see Dave Miller in the books do something similar to that I have one main issue especially with FNAF 2. FNAF 2 we only get one we get like one piece of newspaper after the closure that specifically mentions the toys are all scrapped so if the toys have been scrapped why would they be appearing in gameplay during snap 2 if it's long after the closure but it contradicts itself because of the summer job thing because that newspaper also mentions it's only open for a few short weeks right so if it is truly a summer job open for a few short weeks it should have already been closed in November and then the scrapped animatronics wouldn't be there tomorrow that these speaking live to whoever it is there is a party tomorrow don't be there you're not meant to be here blah blah blah that is the last party they're having which he can't say this is the last parting we're having tomorrow if it's not live and he's not there to a live listener and it wouldn't really make sense for them to just play these random things about oh yeah we're switching you to the day shift to a random security guard well the you said exactly what I was going to say but I'm going to add on to it um the uh they mentioned that tomorrow is the last thing they're doing and it's a birthday party and you see the restaurant set up for a birthday party and that's the last thing they did right so it's it's still continuous years later yes still there well or monthly yeah yours was the exaggeration that's my I think that was Scott saying okay that he was planning the date of the paychecks versus the summer calls um the the thing about like well why would they be playing the phone calls it's like why would why do why does anything happen in finap you know it's like that's you have to tell the story somehow you know well and and it is established infant F3 right where where whoever the security guard is uh strong possibility of it being like Afton right is you know he's talking to phone dude and phone dude's Like Whoa man we found these ancient tapes listen to them and you're like okay I'm gonna listen to these tapes for the next five nights you know and and that's it right like so FNAF 3 kind of establishes that you are okay as a security guard like listening to old tapes from like past restaurants or past yeah three does specifically say oh yeah here are some old takes yeah the snap one ones it does sound like phone guy is like like had recorded them earlier since he's like oh yeah this is my last week on the job and clearly Mike's the one in the office yeah but um with FNAF 2 a lot of those messages are targeted to Jeremy Fitzgerald it could be that like it was spread out like each each of those nights maybe wasn't a consecutive week but I doubt it based on what I remember the phone guy calls hang on I'm pulling up the phone guy pull it up grab the receipts yeah okay um here while you do that I gotta ask okay so is is yes Mike Mike Afton is that all the mics or no wait what is is Mike Afton the the is Mike Afton Mike Schmidt is he like is he the security guard that we play as in all the different games or no are they just random guys do we is this one of those things that we just agree on now or no no I feel like the movie is trying to canonize that sorry there was a lot going on uh John John I heard you first oh really uh I I maybe not I don't know there was a lot I think we play as Henry in FNAF 3 and I know okay let's move on from John uh I agree with him at this point no okay I I stand by you after please after oh man I'm sorry that uh Dan has decided to Ally himself to you that's just a bad sign yeah you got the same now everything's terrible you hired him so you know it's good to have dissenting opinions no so John yeah I'm telling you offer comedic reasons but please let me know why I guess I'll go back to it then no keep it brief because we still have to talk about Mrs Afton and we're hitting the two hour marks I'm so ready for Mrs okay great we're gonna hop to that next so let's wrap this one up quick because I want we're already getting to that two hours well ID was finding the phone calls so I don't wanna I did find this okay good okay so let's do that real quick so like the first one is like uh welcome to your new summer job and the second one is see I told you your first night would be a breeze or whatever but after that I don't yes and then night four says Hey night four told you I'd get told you get the hang of it night five he says it's night five and then night six he's uh hello whatever on Earth are you doing there didn't you get the memo this place is closed down at least for a while someone used to swim with suits and such on light six but there isn't a phone call for when Fritz Smith is working there so that could be during the time when it was going to be just temporarily closed but I do think like the that one newspaper says that the toy animatronics were scrapped because it was good investigation do seem pretty targeted to the player especially since after night six Jeremy's gone and now we're friends targeted maybe like I don't know I I think that I don't I think that there's I think there's wiggle room there where you can say like oh yeah he's just listen to Old recordings like I the thing is it's the night six call specifically where it says hello what on Earth are you doing there didn't you you get the memo the place is closed down why would they play that for the character because that that's still Jeremy because and this is where you get to that classic argument of what what's what's a story versus what's gameplay mechanics like why would a security office have no door like you know it's things like that where you start to go that's the sixth bonus night I mean they do kind of explain that one in the game sure but it's I would would you sit there and go like that is like it's a bone of six nights is that there for Canon or is it the bonus sixth night like what where does that fall and that's again where this sense of like we have no Clarity on anything starts to mess with it yep uh technically by that logic we could say Fritz doesn't exist because it's the custom night technically yes technically you are correct with that hence I say it's Mariana I'm not going and taking you're golden as they say uh John please you're actually golden yeah convince me that uh that Henry is the protagonist of of FNAF 3 actually please don't but I like I'm eager to hear your thoughts I mean why you think this so the main points are were hallucinating burned versions of the past animatronics the animatronics in the building in FNAF 3 are not burned period so we have to be hallucinating something that is going to happen I mean not necessarily there's a lot of animals out there in the world there's like you oh Matthew path you come on now is the thing say that one more time there are versions of the FNAF one and FNAF 2 animatronics around the building that aren't burnt is the issue yes and and there's the balloon boy that's burned and balloon boy is sitting in the box right in front yeah but there's multiple versions of all these characters John like I mean if you yeah if you go to um the Fazbear fright story uh what was found or what I found or what we found it's literally we found the the FNAF the the whole plot is literally hey I'm a security guard in Fazbear frights or the equivalent and I am oh no no sorry it's um the oh shoot it's the one where Michael is going around and collecting all the like Remnant Agony infused things and he's like I'm gonna take this one too like what sorry there which one is that that one is um the boy who gets possessed by the Freddy mask you're the band oh you're the band yeah that's right so anyway and also in sorry what we found now okay I've collected my thoughts and what we found uh the FNAF 3 security guard is having hallucinations about his dad who mistreated him and who did all these awful things to him as soon as springtrap enters into the room and so to me similar to GGY as like this is as one-to-one as you can get in this Au alternate universe this feels pretty one-to-one with like the security guard of an F3 has a bad childhood you know series of memories with whoever's in the spring trap suit and is thus having hallucinations and and Visions or whatever so like that that's my Counterpoint there but also there's a just a ton of these animatronics that are just like roaming around the world at this point so um if there's duplicates of the the toy animatronics they would only be in the FNAF 2 Pizzeria so if he burned the FNAF 2 Pizzeria down all of the animatronics in that building would go down with it true right what were you saying like unless there's multiple versions of the toy animatronics at different buildings throughout the Universe now I get what John's saying I'm pretty sure when FNAF 3 released I made a theory video exactly what John's saying that the night God was hallucinating his future actions and and and and the hallucinations are just trying to scare him um doesn't convince me because also it's like a 23 year old kid and Michael would be like 45 at that point and did he have the abusive childhood or did the crying child have the abusive childhood he was the bully to to his younger brother he then went on to go help his dad throughout collecting the animatronics for Remnant but it's what is his motivation to to bring his brother back because he knew his dad could bring people back to life the thing is Michael seems pretty confused in his sister location speech he says I should be dead but I'm not um he's yeah like if if he knew what was going on with the remnant stuff and was helping was actively aware of and helping William I feel like he wouldn't say that because he would just know well it's about bringing dead people back from the dead not injecting Remnant into people who are already but he's a dead person coming back from the dead but he was injected with remnants while he was still alive okay first The Remnant or the Egg yes yeah you think he's hallucinating what's what's to come yeah I think saying I think saying that like there's multiple versions of the animatronics everywhere is not an Occam razor point of view I think it's the animatronic City in front of me are the animatronics and also the ultimate custom night cut scenes are so solidly Henry versus William William is the fox Michael is mangle in the anime style cut scenes and the whole theme of those cut scenes is Henry keeps coming up with plans to try and stop William but he keeps failing every time like if he only failed in FNAF 6 which is something we don't learn until security breach that would make no sense towards the story sure uh doctor you had thoughts sorry Dad um yeah like like John's theory about the him having hallucinations of the future that could work with Michael as well it doesn't have to be just Henry exactly no he could be Michael yeah yeah and there's that one line in ultimate custom night is from the vengeful Spirit John and I talked about this on Twitter a little bit um where uh it's for the vengeful spirit says uh I will keep you here no matter how many times they burn us and we can see based on like the Good and Bad Endings of like happiest day that out the ventral Spirit was to some degree in the FNAF location whether or not you think Soul splitting was involved or whatever um and William was awesome people doing the burning Henry Burns in Pizzeria Simulator the other part of the they burned William and the other animatronics in the FNAF 3 location well you saw my reply to you soon it was not one after the other like oh yeah reply yes please Pixar it didn't happen yeah what's now vengeful Spirit was not burned in FNAF 3 there were no endoskeletons in FNAF 3. so like the thing is the burning is Michael burning the endoskeletons down in the sister location I agree with Jonah 100 here and Henry burning in the FNAF 6 Pizzeria then why would the vengeful Spirit say no matter how many times they burn us so I just said that just like the Michael burned them sorry this is trying to no you're good you're good you're good uh Michael burned them in the sister location bunker for remnants that's the family often's using these kids and their souls for their own selfish purposes and Henry burning them for good intentions to try and help them move on in finance the thing is we don't see any fire related things in Sister location we get there and it's like Mike's first day on the job being introduced by hand you know he gets put in the system as eggs benedict and molten Freddie there's no fire hinted at there so I'm skept so I so I'm hesitant to just say oh yeah he was randomly setting things on fire well you can see the lava falling off of molten Freddy in his design I mean lava and fire there are two different things lava oh excuse me as we all know in FNAF six there was the volcanic eruption dispute magma all across the hurricane yeah second Pompeii yeah the uh the PMI incident or the Pompeii mediocre Melody incident um so anyway uh Dan you had something to say and then you got to talk about Mrs Afton because yeah yeah I'll make this as quick as I possibly can because again this is something that John and I talked about is also it kind of lines up with a lot of the copyright stuff that we were talking about before because FNAF 6 is like FNAF 6 happens immediately after FNAF 3. and FNAF 6 is when the company's fully dissolved which means that FNAF 3 would have had to somehow license the likeness of Freddy and friends because if you look at all of it it's not different enough to not fall under copyright issues yeah so Henry would have known something was up because he would have signed the papers on that as one of the owners of I just I just love the fact that so much of this franchise now is like ah according to copyright uh U.S copyright law and pass uh you know so yes the moment he said Fazbear entertainment incorporation dissolved and now there's Fred Bear it doesn't matter llc at the Fazbear's fright location could have been like by Fazbear entertainment but that brings me to the logbook something that hyperdroid pointed out to me a while back is that in the logbook um it it's the FNAF 3 office and Mike is the one who writes in it yeah yeah yeah great so anytime and Mike has the name on the inside cover drawing pictures of casual Bongos and circus and like the Buddies did he draw anything related to the FNAF 3 game and the FNAF real there's also that what looks to be Phantom chica on the back page or whatever specifically is the finasteri office design from his old from when Scott used to do these log books and stuff but at the last page it was a teaser for the next game like the the circus um scrap baby was a teaser as well they were just teasers yeah yeah for sure yeah no I don't think it meant anything darker was tired because it's getting close to his bedtime so let's wrap this up with Mrs Elgin and that is I know it's getting late for you guys so and and I know I said like oh we're gonna cap this at two hours and then of course we don't uh because that's that's nice man you know it's a I make a three minute video into a two-hour reaction uh so real quick uh Mrs Afton is she relevant is she not I'm going to rye toast on this one because you have thoughts and I've seen your thoughts okay so I have a few things first off I agree with you so coming from someone who doesn't like Mrs Afton right now she has a lovely woman no she she add she rubs me the wrong way but I I as someone who doesn't necessarily like that I don't think age is a good Counterpoint to it um because like I went into it all we know about her is she has like a early teen's son come 1983 and that would put her at like uh having a child in the 70s the average age at that time was 21 years old by 2030 she's like 80. that's that's totally fine you you know and that lines up and like yes William would be like 20 years older but it was the 70s those things happened um my question and I get that this is more of a what's a more compelling narrative and I see Mrs Afton as being more compelling as a narrative where is the line between evidence we are willing to look past for narrative's sake with things like Mr Burrows in the Storyteller who isn't the CEO and that was pointed out to me but he is a very high up figure who fits in that slot almost perfect okay so real real quick and this this is one of those where when I was writing this timeline this the story did not exist but I think like this is so like you know that that's one of those things but uh for context right and and uh if you actually I think you're probably the best since this is your theory I'd love for you to just quickly like tell people like wait who's Mr Burr like what is Mr Burrows like what is that so uh if you if you can like please inform people of what exactly that is because I think that's that's important because that this is a very new thing that just came out and it's just a small small subset people actually know about so yeah so Mr Burroughs this is from the Storyteller from the same book that gave us GGY um this basically told us the uh past story of an earlier Pizza Plex where Mr Burroughs who was I believe head of the board or at least chairman someone very high up chairman chairman um who was spearheading this initiative to replace the entire creative team within AI called the Storyteller and then that's where we get a lot of things that we're not going to get into like Tiger rock and mimic one and a whole bunch of mess um but the main important thing is he's described as a child prodigy who always just wanted to be rich that was the end goal that was always and he does not like Fazbear he took down the paintings when he came in he hates the brand but he recognized that it was easy to make that profitable and you can explain a lot of actions from the in-game CEO of a greedy businessman trying to push things through uh so one of my comments pointed out uh Hamlin's razor which is don't ascribe malice to something that can be uh explained with stupidity when you scanned in the motherboards and we create glitch trap yes it feels like oh this was done to create glitch trap but it could very well be hey this is a cost cutting measure especially because we see someone like Mr Burroughs cutting creative teams they say that in the in the in the VR game that they scan the chips because it was a cheap way to get the information out of everything yeah why do they build over the FNAF 6 location well there is a chance they still owned that lot and now that's something they don't have to buy again I don't necessarily think it fits better right like attributing stupidity you know an accident to things is not near is not necessarily better in my mind and narratively is not as satisfying so and I you you acknowledge that's why I want to acknowledge that you acknowledge that but like I don't necessarily say it's a quote unquote better but it is a story that does exist in this franchise at a time where the book seem to be dropping a lot of lore hints right so that is fair and and in our timeline video I'm like here's Mrs Afton she's now CEO of the company all the copyrights and everything passed to her she's the head of the dinner table in the Charlie room that's all the evidence we got and we know that there's a CEO who's manipulating things behind the scenes I thought intentionally but as as Rye says maybe it's accidentally right and there could be a switch to that too sure totally the the and and in my timeline view I'm like she's the only character piece like to on the table really that would make sense from a narrative standpoint the that would be able to do all of that minus the exception of some new character entering in like you know and so that is the caveat I threw out there is if we're just playing with the pieces on the board that we have that is kind of the the option that makes the most sense is narratively satisfying and doesn't feel redundant and I think it the my security breach episode part four of the timeline was mostly a lot of it built on evidence and a lot of it built on avoiding redundancies you know you could attribute any number of these characters to robot kids you could attribute any number of these characters to like repossessed animatronics or whatever um but all of them you know because there's so many characters that have to be accounted for and explained in some way you know it if you use the same thing more than once it's kind of like I don't know it's kind of like a cheap way out so I tried to fit in like here's one possessed animatronic here's one rebuilt kid here's one human surrogate here's one glitch virus thing and it and that line help fit as cleanly as narratively as possible with with the one remaining human that's left alive in this franchise the mother Mrs Afton being the head of the company who's trying to bring all of them back together for me that was satisfying and and fit the pieces cleanly but exactly to your point there's this new book there's this new story that came out after I would kind of like gone through the course with this theory that exactly like you say introduces this new character completely unrelated but has Burrows as a name so it's like huh it's like a rabbit get it and he wears purple correct I believe I have to double check right there's something purple related yeah right I remember there was some purple related to him and but like this idea of like yeah he's the cost cutting guy and so cost cutting measures of scanning circuit board like there are definitely things there that can make as much as I hate to say like it's the new guy it might just be the new guy and that's yeah doesn't he die by the end of the story though yes but that's what I want to get into he dies from the Storyteller itself which the Storyteller locks him in there and we see the previous person who was locked in there's drawing stick figure drawings with crayon writing I'm sorry which feels very like Afton taking over the Mind similar to Jeremy from help wanted so if we see that and then we have a CEO who gets locked in we I don't know I'll have to check if we get Gump confirmation he dies we do know that he is logged in the Storyteller losing oxygen and something within there named mimic one which is likely going to be burnt trap when we learn more about mimic we'll find out who knows but if that's linked to glitch trap that could be the moment where the CEO becomes taken over by glitch or at least replaced electronically via emails and Via messages and that's where Vanessa gets pushed forward that's where a lot of the more things come from doco is not a vigorously right yeah that that's exactly what I was saying like the problem the problem with the the security breach timeline that I I don't think you mentioned glitch trap enough uh because penafior took place it brought in a new character glitch trap which is the virus it was all about glitch trap which then led to security breach right and I I feel like it's all under glitch trap's influence with Vanessa Phillips traps took over the whole location he's infected people uh telling them what to do to bring back uh like so the reason why they uh built the pizza Plex above the location is because glitch trap knew that the corpse was underneath there so he influenced the CEO he influenced Vanessa to build the pizza Plex there and you know to bring him back I I still don't think burn trap is Afton I think glitch trap is about literally a virus made by Agony I don't think it's Afton I think it's a separate entity that wants to come back and cause more Agony to everything so you're so you're saying that glitch trap is everyone you're saying and that glitch like no no but but like really right like because yeah because in my narrative right and again like I totally recognize like security breach I knew was going to be the most controversial because there is so many questions up in the air but for me it's like we see glitch trap and at most he's infected two people right through the VR game he's infected uh Vanessa Vani and whoever the other player character is whether you believe that's tape girl or whoever we played as in that game right yeah and Gregory is well in there because of the story well right so yeah so yeah I just feel like glitch trap has a bigger influence with everything and with the CEO like um with the with the new story the Storyteller as well what um and that was my original pitch for like if you go back to our theories from years ago at this point right when security breach was first announced and we were coming out of an fvr and this and that ours our Theory pitch was like it's the cult of Afton it's the it's a bunch of people who have been mine hacked mind hacked by this glitch trap virus and now you can't tell who's infected and who's not and security breach is gonna be this game where like do you trust Vanessa or do you not like is she under the control of Afton or is she not I really thought that that's where that was headed I really liked that theory I think there was a lot of evidence to support it but then you get like Gregory a kid who isn't infected by anything and you get in the books you get mention of like a CEO who is trying to rebuild things and and like why would I at that point and again like we've this seems to be the theme of the night right where it's like there's so much that happens in The Meta text and in between games but for there to suddenly go from here is the glitch trap virus to here's a pizza Plex and a CEO who's infected maybe and a Gregory kid who's infected maybe and the uh Vanessa is infected maybe like suddenly you've jumped so many layers from one virus that in a game that kind of like gets closed down or whatever or we're not sure what happens with with the game after about silver parasol games gets closed down at some point right and I let me double check that like I might be talking out of my butt here but it's one of those things where all of a sudden it's like you go from that to like everyone's infected and it's all glitch trap I don't doubt that and I think that's where I originally thought the story would go but I was hopeful that there would be a couple more steps in the process because again it feels like such a broad logical leap to say that and and again it's it's is it narratively satisfying is it not like I don't doubt it but it's just a big logical leap and and if people are laying claims against my theories as like oh they're not supported by evidence or like they're it's pretty thin they're mad and I I don't again I don't disagree I would also say well it's pretty thin there too to say suddenly everyone is is a glitch trap virus whereas if you had asked me coming out of FNAF VR that's where we were headed to yeah yeah um I I have some things to say uh the reason the the mall gets built over the old Pizzeria is because of Vanessa and we learned that in the FNAF AR emails and that is connected to the games because in the duffel bag message outside of Roxy's Raceway it says who approved this being built over this sinkhole and it was Vanessa as we learned in the snap they are emails so that is something um I think when when raitos said that the Storyteller infected Mr Hopps uh in GGY Gregory is one of the story ruiners and I just made that connection of Gregory's possessed by Glitch trap storytellers I don't know doesn't matter the main thing that I want to say is um going back to me thinking and you know I'm ready for the complaints but going back to me thinking that Elizabeth Bots are a thing and if anyone's a robot it's Vanessa um the whole plot of of security breach is do you trust Vanessa the whole plot of sister location is do you trust baby Vanessa and baby have the same voice actors talking about weird connections uh I just read something now this is very likely one of those things where I'm just in way too deep and I need someone to smack me across the face but I'm rereading at the end of the Storyteller at this point yeah I want you guys I'm just going to read the last like couple sentences of the Storyteller and I want you guys to tell me is there's a moment in FNAF that this reminds you of help he shrieked help me he's Screech and hollered he's inside the Storyteller at this point if I'm correct yeah which is like a weird Battle of ab tree for some reason for some reason Keening a high-pitched house someone had to hear him kids love the Storyteller tree the chunky trunk with its swollen belly-like appearance made the kids Giggle and play around it that sounds exactly like Elizabeth's death what one to one and I hate that it does what does that mean a person necessarily the person trapped inside the stomach of a robot who dies surrounded by kids drowning out their death and that's the CEO is then taken over by Glitch trap the person that dies within the robot then goes on to work for Afton in some way I don't know whenever you mention bellies and people dying in bellies to me you're right that it's Elizabeth adjacent but I also think of Funtime Freddy who is known to have like also Twisted ones oh yeah yeah like and twisted like there's a lot of comparison like when I think stomach death I think fun times because the blueprints dude I mean that's the problem right there's a lot of people are you in divorce God can you talk about this there's a lot of people on bellies so uh Ash has has to have a life and uh I have to pee and so yeah uh you know so those I drank my entire Arab bottle hashtag not spawn uh which is a hefty amount of fluids and it was great and I'm so hydrated now um but it's one of those things where I I'd like to wrap things up obviously a lot of debate happening that it's fun and I don't know if we've learned anything here tonight if we've solved or proven anything uh but last thing I wanted to toss out there in daco if you need to abstain feel free um but uh the teaser for the movie came out and it's October 27th ish whatever and the movie just wrapped so one hyped or no hyped two worried or not worried about the fact that it's you know it hey they just finished filming and it's April and now it's coming out a couple months later thoughts opinions um no I I'm I'm excited um I think it's gonna be it's it's fascinating to see I'm really excited to say to like you know CC the the Vlogs from Dorko and people like that who have obviously gone out um and seen all that it looks incredible so I'm excited to see it am I worried no um but I come from filming backgrounds and I'm like I there's a lot of practical effects from my understanding and blob that Blum House is famous for that so it's going to that is going to shrink the time down a lot and blumhouse has always been known for very short time scales of like start to finish production so and that's that's good it's not like they they do it and everything they do is absolutely awful it's actually really good stuff so I'm excited to see um what they do with it for sure anyone else hyperdroid go ahead but the from what from the five hours government Gathering From dolco abray and all of their videos was that everything was running smoothly nothing went wrong it was all sort of going well which makes me think that if they're so confident they can reach that deadline I think I'm confident in them reaching that deadline just because everything seems to be going well everything we've seen from the outside looks fine we've heard good news and that's it cynic Dan is making faces ah you never know what happens in post I can't you know you don't know how many times they've said oh we'll fix it in post on that set and you always do that Dan you always make it happen I mean it makes me nervous to turn around something especially when it comes to a movie like it's doable it it's very doable to turn turn around that amount of time but it it is like that's it's tight for post-production it's very very tight for post-production um Beyond beside that I'm I'm very interested I'm I'm very interested to see how it goes I I mean I'm gonna be looking at it probably a little more critically than I probably should be but um I mean this is you know the room of the harshest critics I would say uh there are how many buttons on Freddy at this point I mean the thing is I'm gonna cry I I want to I really really want to be surprised I think I there's a big part of me that's like I want to sit down in that theater and walk out and go like that was incredible wow but I don't I'm I'm cynical so hesitation yes I'm very I'm very hesitant um I just I don't know if they're going if it's going to be a movie that you're going to have to go frame by frame in oh I I mean if if it like here's the thing if the recent Mario movie is anything to go off of us I would like where it literally is there are so many Easter eggs crammed into every frame of that thing I and knowing that Scott is behind this and so like I would almost guarantee that there's going to be a lot of like hidden Easter egg like again it'll be one of those like uh what What's an Easter egg what's not you know like is this Canon isn't it but I think I I would expect it to be definitely one of those where it's like just crammed full of like those little like Ah that's a thing like let's figure that one out that would be my guess if Mario did it yeah it's definitely doing it it wasn't actually relevant and what's just there for the fun of it yeah yeah right that's the debate yeah hyperdroid what's up uh there was announcement like right before the stream not announcement but the actor who plays uncle Hank which is meant to be Henry he said that uh they're releasing it on peacock specifically so the hardcore fan hardcore fans can go back and you don't have to wait a month watch it yeah I thought that was a statement from from um yeah from Comcast as to why they're doing dual release yes totally marketing talk but like at the same time I see where they're coming from sure yeah yeah cool I'm pretty excited about the movie I got lucky with my joining of the fan base because I've just been sort of like glancing at FNAF from the side for like years up until security breach and then that's when the movie starts so I'm I'm pretty excited I just have to wait through the seven years of purgatory you're just like wow what's everyone complaining about the weight it was actually eight years eight years today that the movie was announced wow wow we're getting news a while ago so that's why that's what 20 2015 so that was like in yeah God that would have been around FNAF three or four like right after he was nuts my God all right that's that's cool I mean that's cool that we're on the anniversary actually I didn't anticipate that that's really fun uh last but certainly not least let's just go because I I like my bladder is bursting at this point I'm gonna have to crawl my way no no I can't okay I'm in so much pain right now you can't tell uh professional I've been imbibing so much liquid today it's crazy uh but just to wrap things up because I thank all of you so much for your thoughts and your time uh where can people find you and what's the exciting thing that you're working on next let's start with well my team you're committed to me so like Tom and Tom and Dan what are you guys up to these days and you go friend oh um oh you know well I'm editing I'm editing a lot but you also have your own live streams where you and John did like a FNAF reaction timeline thing so yeah yeah John and I talked uh that cyber channel is where it's at I'm maybe putting up a video this weekend assuming I can bring myself to edit even more than I already have so well here's hoping nice Mr Tapper Tom hello yes so I am I'll obviously be writing you'll you'll be seeing videos that I'm writing on uh on Game Theory but I am streaming or uh a Dapper Mr Tom live and we stream all sorts of random games from my my childhood uh Sonic the Hedgehog Kingdom Hearts Pokemon random things like that and doing random challenges and just tea with Tom just chatting it should be fun nice well how very British of you uh I know way to forward The Stereotype doco you you do so many more things than just uh Five Nights at Freddy's tell me about yourself um I just play other indie horror games uh I think the most important thing this year um if you're interested is what Tom said earlier so um me and a few friends went to the movie Set um and we vlogged it all so closer to the release around October we'll probably be allowed to release a behind the scenes stuff of interacting with the animatronics and stuff so look forward to that that's Dorko that's awesome uh John uh go watch Taco watch all of this stuff great really good Matt go pee perfect no no no hyper Droid go for it uh just hyperdroid on everything I'm trying my best to do weekly videos but no guarantees yeah I heard everyone watching enjoy it awesome uh ID uh yeah I am ID's Fantasy on all platforms I'm working on like in in the background of my mind because finals are coming up I'm planning on doing a video on the candy Cadet stories and I am so sorry John but whether or not Mike is actually the villain I'm sorry to pick on you in this regardless tweet on Twitter you two said they would give me a free bendy plush if I got to 4 200 likes on that and I'm gonna hold them to that if I can reach it okay are the Bendy plush still live right now can you buy one to my knowledge they are okay I'll buy you one I'll buy you one oh wow free one that's fine nobody okay and last but certainly not least right toast uh yeah I'm right toast on YouTube where I test games on most socials because right toast was already taken everywhere um and as far as like new things coming up I haven't really announced this yet so I guess it's an announcement I'm working in the background uh to set up a second channel for like gaming videos and things like that because the main channel is all theories that'll be right toast when it comes out like twn insane because I am barely keeping up with the weekly video grind yeah yep understandable and uh for us over here like I mentioned earlier we're now on Spotify so uh if you want to listen to our theories uh new theories as they come out uh the week after as well as some historic theories as well as a hour-long basically equivalent of the FNAF narrative as we concocted in our our recent controversial timeline that we talked about today uh we're over on Spotify so check that one out you can listen to it with your phone off uh which is pretty stellar uh and you don't have to pay YouTube extra money to do that uh so go uh check out game theory over there if you feel like it and as always my friends oh Ash is something yes okay yes so I'm aware a lot of you ask questions in the chat thank you I wrote a lot of them down great um and I brought in Sam and he wrote more of them down so stay tuned per chance per chance yes we will get a chance perhaps on a GT live to go back and answer some and we could do like a let's Hammer Matt with questions great so stay tuned for that and no I appreciate your questions very much thank you thank you guys as always and thank you all for joining me uh whatever time of day it is thank you for your comments I know I I wanted to call it out but I also you were signaling time as I know it's tough there was so much to cover um I know I know we've just got to worry chat we love you yeah we we absolutely love you Ash was definitely making notes and obviously we can go back and revisit all the comments uh after this is kind of like re-uploaded because we got the live comment feed so no worries we will definitely address them at some point down the line but uh thank you guys so much for joining us uh this Friday night uh and look forward to Future stuff you know maybe we'll do another one of these when ruin comes out because I'm assuming ruin will happen before the movie and then after the move who knows like it is a toss-up so uh we'll we'll see the next time that we're all together but as always support all these wonderful people that you see on screen right now and thank you as always for your support here uh we love you so much now go out solve FNAF and and looking forward to the next rise of new FNAF theorists out there now if you excuse me I need to pee so as always remember that was just a stream a live stream thanks for watching [Music]

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Length: 152min 51sec (9171 seconds)

Published: Mon Apr 10 2023