Flint Dibble's Experience On The JRE With Graham Hancock & Joe Rogan

my name is Kaylee and in this video I am interviewing Flint Dibble who went on The Joe Rogan Experience last week with Graham Hancock and Joe Rogan and I asked him a little bit about his experience on the show The Aftermath and I wanted to know more about if he felt like he wanted to clarify some things or things that he may not have been getting into during the debate that he wanted to get into or just some more information for you if you've seen the debate that you can hear from him directly I also wanted to show more about who he is as a person and how he conducts himself in a chill environment and yeah enjoy the conversation I had with Flint [Music] Flint uh how about you tell us what your experience was on The Joe Rogan Experience and uh yeah we want to hear more about it yeah so first off hi I'm Flint dble um I'm an archaeologist and I work at cff University I'm a research uh scholar there um and yeah I I also do a little bit of youtubing and twittering so check me out on YouTube and Twitter um I did have the yeah I actually have a a my own debate reaction uh dropping I think later today um and so yeah so I I got to go on Joe Rogan to sit down and chat with Graham Hancock about his idea of A Lost Civilization and it was definitely a very surreal experience I've never had a chance to speak to so many people and so that was that was pretty interesting especially to see the reactions afterwards and uh I I I think it went really well though in my mind it was all very much a blur and I still have refused to rewatch it um because I I can't see why I mean it was four and a half hours that would become like this massive blur in someone's mind I'm writing a response video to it and uh I I gotten to like the 20 minute Mark at this point like while writing a response so it's uh I can understand why it's a blur yeah four and a half hours is a long time for anything and to be honest the three of us Joe Graham and I agreed we were completely exhausted afterwards and even during the intermission break I mean Joe came up to me he's like man this is exhausting and I'm like yeah this is exhausting but let's keep going you know because we have more to get on and uh I think we all wanted to but yeah it was it's definitely a long time to have a conversation I've taught classes for example and a three-hour class is a long session this was four and a half hours and so and especially because gram and I disagree on so much it uh it makes it feel even longer you know yeah i' I've done like two hour live streams on my uh Channel where it's just me talking and uh after that two hour mark I'm just I'm I'm done I'm exhausted I need sleep for like a week or so exactly I mean teaching an hour long class same thing recording an hourong sort of lecture it's just your beat afterwards it takes a lot of energy and emotion and uh you know you did all this prep in advance and so it just sort of comes out of you yeah yeah so were there things during the debate that you feel like maybe like looking back a little bit you didn't uh have time to like clarify or explain things better or things that you wanted to mention but there just wasn't enough time uh even though it's a blur well yeah I mean look I did a lot of preparation for this and research to try to make sure that in this kind of high-profile situation uh that myself and my field would come across in a positive way and so I would say I actually probably used maybe a third of everything I prepared um I hit upon my two main sort of points which was domestication and all the Ice Age evidence we have but one of my key Avenues of research and engaging with the public is the story of Atlantis I'm a Greek archaeologist after all I work in Athens and in that story Athens is described so I did not get to go through that at all it never came up even in the least and uh or just really briefly at one point Graham brought up the edu text as proof of Atlantis and I actually had a whole response ready for that because he uh it'll be on the YouTube video that drops uh today on my on my channel actually because it's an important example of how Graham misrepresents scholarship and evidence and he does so in that case it's just so blatant it's one of his worst examples of of taking scholarship and misreading it where he takes these quotes and he puts it together as if it's one quote that tells this story that's like Atlantis but it's actually a sentence from page 290 next to a sentence from page 145 next I'm making up the numbers I'd have to go check but it's like you can't do that as one quote it's it's sentences from a 100 Pages apart in a book that's not even quoting the edu text it's a it's a it's a it's a example it's a book on Egyptian religion and so it's just like that's that's totally blatantly misrepresenting the source that you are using and so I like I said that that's a small little thing but there were so the cherry picking that he does was something I wanted to get across and another important thing that I I I I explained but just in brief and I wish I had more time to delve into is there's this misconception that the older things are the more likely they are to disappear as if time is what makes archaeology disappear and that's just not true it's actually the burial environment in which materials are deposited and so being in the water for example water logged environments are great for preserving organic materials like wood and stuff like that the Sahara Desert it's a dry environment same sort of thing and so you know that's what matters we would certainly have shipwrecks if there were massive ships from 10 20,000 years ago they would be available for us and destruction also preserves archaeology really well by dep by burying it quickly so it's protected from the environment and so that was something I wish I had more time to get into so people realize it's not time that destroys archaeology it's the burial environment and in fact many of the burial environments Graham talks about are actually really good for preserving archaeology and so it's also like with the um the younger dras impact theory that they always push a lot uh if like his Atlantis civilization had these ships and there was like younger dras impact that if it really happened those ships would have been blasted on impact or like buried very quickly after impact of those like asteroids meteor uh meteorites all that stuff so like where where are they yeah and if it's around the world and if it's Global they wouldn't all have been incinerated you know it's funny he that's where I think I I I showed a good point where he brought up Abu Herrera as potentially being destroyed by this impact and it's like yeah and it's there for us to excavate this hunter gatherer settlement with early farming later on it's there for us to excavate despite potentially being destroyed by this impact which I don't think the impact actually happened but I'm just not you know look one of my goals there is I'm an expert in what I'm an expert and I'm not an expert in geology and I don't want to pretend I am I'm not a media figure I'm an archaeologist and so being an expert is also knowing the limits of your expertise I am not the one to qualifi to to argue the younger dest impact hypothesis but the geologists I've all talked to have told me that the evidence is is non-existent and it does not support that idea yeah yeah like it's EXC L like that it's uh like Carl Sean used to say extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence and he makes extraordinary claims but like in my I I used to watch I read his books I used to watch shows in in where he was in when I was younger it sounded amazing it like it reeled me in like of course uh who doesn't want to believe such a thing I was young I I wasn't knowledgeable about the ancient past but the more and more I started doing my own research and the more I started working together with archaeologists and talking to you guys the more I saw that there is no evidence for what he's claiming and there is all the evidence for the hunter gatherers for the slow rise of farming for the slow rise of building for the slow rise of creating cities and cities weren't just created overnight like the city of uru wasn't just built out of the blue like here we have a city state and now civilization is born no it gradually continued and they started building more and then they came to a point of creating Monumental AR architecture with like the zigurat and the white temple on top and that was around the moment where they also had writing and they had like laws and that's the point where you see this is the birth of civilization this is the point where we shifted from communities and settlements to a city state and from there on civilization grew and spanned across the across the globe that it's so obvious I think it's really key that we sort of also just recognize how diverse our evidence is around the world you know we have these uh different domestication events happening in different Millennia all over the world we have urbanism developing independently in different Millen IA all over the world and so it's not even just this one trajectory of a birth of civilization which Graham I think rightly critiques that's an early 20th century sort of model of how to look at the past as if there's this linear progression trajectory when in fact history is just all the different things that humans do and so you know what we see in different areas of the world is is somewhat different as well you know different forms Monumental architecture gockley teepe people claim that that's earlier than we expect persective but I mean we have these Monumental sort of Mammoth structures from earlier than that by 10,000 years even before GOC tape was found those t-shaped pillars were found at other sites and so you know I think we need to recognize that there's it's not just a few famous sites that everybody's heard of there's so much that the the the few famous sites are famous because they're so extraordinarily well preserved and photogenic but we have traces of the exact same things at multiple other sites that are not nearly as photogenic and so therefore only Scholars that are familiar with that kind of literature and so I think that that's really important this picture is based on just so many dots on the map and so many different regions it's not like just one site here and there you know yeah yeah and even like Monumental architecture itself spans even possibly even before Homo sapiens because we have like the in the brunal cave in France we have like this these meanderthal stalite circles that they created and they also created Poss possible yeah but like they also probably created some other Mammoth structures on the surface like not even in a cave but like on surfaces so I mean yeah it's not us that we're like and what was it just last year I think it was a publication on wooden architecture from 480,000 years ago and so it's like another example of how wood can Preserve in the right environment for hundreds of thousands of years and so obviously when the population density of humans is quite low you're not going to have nearly as much evidence but if you're trying to claim some Advanced civilization that's populating the globe well you're going to have that somewhere you know that's how do we have as I said the ephemeral traces of hunter gatherers everywhere from this period And yet we we have nothing from this it's it's it's yeah the preponderance of evidence is really clear if you see what I mean yeah yeah so how was it for you like after the debate aired I'm not sure like how much time there was between you sitting there and debating and like the debate airing but how was it for you that after the debate aired uh what was your experience with like uh the feedback from the public from people you know but also people you don't know uh of course there are probably some definite uh Graham STS that don't really like you and possibly weren't a little bit rude to you but like that's unfortunately also a part of this stuff and how is it um like did Joe say anything to afterwards or reach out to you yeah so uh I mean yeah so the debate was actually the debate I I I I think calling it a debate is somewhat silly in my mind because there were no formal structures and plus science is not built on oral debate it's built on written publication and so that's where our consensus comes from no decisions are made from an oral presentation that's just one other way of disseminating uh some of our ideas and evidence um which is an effective and important way of eminating what we have to say but it's not really like we sit down and debate each other and so that was how I treated it as as me almost giving like a a lecture to people you know and that's that's how I built my argument and my strategy in that way and and so in the aftermath of it a it was done on Monday and it was released Tuesday so it was released like 18 hours after we finished very quickly very fast turnaround um they're very professional about it in that sense and you know I haven't like I said I haven't watched but from what I gather very little was edited uh out um and and I'm fairly sure of that just given the length of it it matched up what I assumed the length of be um so I really am grateful that you know so many times archaeologists try to express what they have to say in documentaries or shows like ancient apocalypse or Ancient Aliens and we are effectively censored we get clipped out of context so that what we really have to say is not shared with the public and I think that that's part of the problem the public doesn't really have the opportunity to take archaeology courses in school and so the only opportunity you have is at University level and of course everybody's busy with different things at University level so very few people take them and so it's something that people just don't understand and that's where the response is I was very grateful for a lot of people that that sort of said hey I I I never realized that this was how archaeologists approached things in the 21st century you know because so much of how Archaeology is represented is really distilled what I would call 20th century approach to it and so focusing on some Grand monuments focusing on these kind of hunts and searches and and it's like man that's not what we do at all we have hypothesis that we test with excavations in known areas because we've excavated everywhere in the world at this point you know because of construction infrastructural development archaeologists and Archaeology is everywhere millions of sites billions of artifacts and so we have a huge data set upon which to start asking really interesting specific questions about people in the past right or animals or plants or the environment or whatnot and so it's like that's what Archaeology is and I was really grateful to see a whole lot of people uh take heart with that um including a lot of former Graham Hancock fans I've I've seen hundreds if not thousands of posts and messages from people that sort of went said you know I came into this as a Graham hanock fan and I left realizing how much evidence archaeology really has and the interesting questions they can ask and so in that sense I am extremely grateful and pleased with the result um I think that it's really important to share this stuff with people and it was an environment where there's a lot of people who are interested in hearing about it and yeah there's trolls and there's online whatever that's something that's easy to rub off and to be honest I I've personally thought the trolling would be even worse so it's it's gone better than I could have thought I thought I got trolled just as badly after writing a viral Twitter Thread about Graham Han that like 1% as many people saw so you know this is this yeah I I I was actually fairly pleased I think most of the DMS I've received on Twitter have been positive rather than negative in fact by far most I'd say even like 80 90% of them have been positive rather than negative and so that that's very uh good to see yeah yeah yeah from what I saw online like the majority was very positive about how you presented everything and the evidence that you showed and the knowledge that you shared I think yeah definitely the overall population majority of them that saw it were very positive definitely yeah I think a lot oh yeah I think that like this was kind of the best thing that could have happened at this point with the alternative community and archaeologists and the discourse surrounding both those worlds I think this debate even though it wasn't officially a debate but like we'll call it a debate it was it was a very fun podcast but yeah um I think this was probably the best thing that could have happened for the archaeologists around the world because now people understand more of how archaeology works like I can make a video this is how how archaeology works and maybe 10,000 people will watch it yay I mean yay 10,000 people will watch it but like that's only 10,000 people that's not the majority of the people that believe in the alternative side and you were able to show that majority of people that do believe in like gram and his theories and claims you showed them this is archaeology this is what we do this is what we represent this is the hard work that people have been trying to tell you that we are doing here you have it on a silver platter and I'm just going to show you and share the know and after this debate or podcast or whatever you can make up your own mind but at least I've given you everything and I think that was perfect like you you still you never said that it was dumb to believe in anything of it you know it you never discredit their belief or like their way of thinking you just showed them this is what we do it's and it's not dumb to believe in it because it's not dumb to believe in it either because it's presented in such a persuasive way and so you know like if you're not familiar with all the evidence we have nobody's going to be able to really fact check it or understand otherwise and so you know it's definitely not dumb and I think I thank you for your comments I think that was a lot of my goal going in it was also to kind of Reach people who didn't know much about it you know there's people that saw the show they might not have been persuaded but they thought it's an interesting idea and that was a lot of the group that I thought I'd be able to reach I was actually surprised that I reached so many people that were f of Graham and and of alternative history I did not expect that and it's a it shows that it went better than I even expected if you see what I mean I I mean I went in there having prepped having done the research and you know one of my big goals was a lot of people they just respond to each individual claim that Graham makes this site then that site and that site but debunking one site after another does not disprove the larger Theory the larger hypothesis the larger narrative that he's developed and so I really wanted to explain to people in a in a in an understandable fashion why we're not really looking for such a Lost Civilization I mean look every single excavation and trench that we dig every survey we do tests whether there's that Lost Civilization you know it's not like we stop at the Clovis layer I know he has come up with this idea but to be honest most sites in North America don't even have a clovis layer we don't even know the date of a layer until months later after we get radiocarbon results and so the gold site in Texas like this they're currently making a a film uh from the site like I I can't wait for that to release because holy hell I need more but like this gold site 20,000 years old in Texas yeah I mean you know we are not trying to stop anywhere yeah we're not I and it's been discredited for 20 I was I at least was taught in the early 2000s that people were in America earlier than Clovis and so it's just like yeah I don't know and most Clovis finds are on the surface anyway so what we don't dig below the surface I mean look the way we dig is based mostly upon construction so if there's construction we dig in the area they're going to be building stuff that's what defines most excavations and every single academic project I've worked on we go down until we hit natural layers where it's clear there's not a single human artifact in there we don't make an assumption about that we dig into to it on one project the director got a jackhammer to try to Jackhammer through the cave floor The Rock shelter floor at uh at petas in France and the reason why is because it could have been cave collapse right and so rock shelter collapse sorry I got that keep getting that wrong but uh it could have been Rock shelter collapse so we jackhammered tried to Jackhammer through it to test that and so you know this is what we do we try to we we make sure there's nothing left below we might we we save horizontally we save parts of the site if it's an academic project for future excavators with new methods and new questions but in terms of depth we're always trying to go down as far as we can go we either run out of money we run out of time like permit time or or we hit natural or there's like a monument in the way that we can't destroy if you see what I mean so we're not going to destroy something to see always what's underneath it um legally we can't plus we don't want to destroy stuff that's not our goal no um so yeah so that's just yeah some archaeologists are currently digging quite close to where I'm currently living um it's a city called hen in North Holland and uh North Holland was very marshy for a very long time for like okay period of doggerland even then it was quite marshy and after doggerland disappeared it just became Marshland and there were a few natural dikes and on those natural dkes people started to live I was born on one of those natural dkes but currently I live in a different part and in hon they're trying to find evidence of people living here before we establish Le know you know so it's like can we go back further than a thousand years were people here long further ago so they started digging but they they started like removing one of the apartment complex buildings and so they destroyed that building and then they dug all the way to the foundation got that out everything in North Holland is built on poles and stilts so they had to like get those out because still the ground is very marshy and you can't really build on that so uh and as they were like getting those polls out they started to see like some remnants of evidence of people possibly inhabiting the area so they decided you know what we're just going to dig down and so they found uh stone tools they found like spearheads arrowe heads they found evidence of people indeed being in this area even though we thought that wasn't possible they haven't been dated yet as far as I know they're currently still Excavating and researching but it shows to me that even this close to my house in a part of the world that used to be thought uninhabitable until like 1,500 years ago we possibly have evidence of people living here way before hunting here in a time period where we thought that was impossible and it just shows archaeology goes above and beyond in my opinion and I'm actually surprised people would not think that it's h not habitable but useful hunting grounds usually wetlands are very biodiverse so the Neolithic project I worked on in Albania I brought it up during the the podcast Vash toi directed by Susan Allen at the University of Cincinnati you know part of it was one of the earliest neith sites in Europe one of them and so part of her hypothesis is that people that that moved into Europe with farming they weren't just interested in farming they were targeting Wetland biodiverse areas because also hunting and yes so that I mentioned the project the Neolithic project in Albania directed by Susan Allen and so there it's one of the earliest uh Neolithic sites in Europe and so one of her hypotheses is that the people that were entering Europe from Southwest Asia they were targeting biodiverse Wetland regions because it you know hunting and gathering in that area could supplement their farming um but yeah it's difficult to excavate such areas that's for sure and so that makes it also more challenging to you know like you said everything's marshy Excavating a marsh is not very easy um yeah I know like the town I grew up in was like uh it's over a thousand years old the oldest part of it and the youngest part is almost 950 years old which for North Holland is like near the very oldest towns that we have like that's the kind of oldest date because there really wasn't much to build anything on you like you can try and build a Shack on Marsh but like Marsh you L but it will just it it's gone yeah no much left so that natural Dyke was one of the reasons that people started to like actually settle but yeah we've always wondered what where did we live before then like it's not like they came from the east or the South one day to North Holland and said ah nice I'm going to live here like of course not they were already in the area but like yeah probably more marginal living you know maybe some pastoralism that's something that's very useful for that stuff I I need to look it up um but uh Micah Groot and others have done a lot of work on animals in the Netherlands in the Roman and the medieval period and and so I think they've done isotope analysis that could start talking about where they're grazing and so maybe we could find evidence in that way of people interacting in that region because they were they were bringing animals there maybe on a seasonal basis or something like that I need to look it up I've read the book a while ago yeah it's it's always a shame like in the Netherlands like the Romans they didn't come to North Holland like they just around the like the half point of the Netherlands like they came to the South a little bit to the East and then it was just like yeah nothing nothing left here and it's like there was a lot but you just weren't interested we were just too much maybe maybe they were just grazing animals there or something like that CU that's something common in Roman literature s literary sources is to use those kind of environments for graving cattle and stuff like that yeah yeah there's like no Roman evidence in North Holland whatsoever like they did not come here like we weren't cool enough we feel like the Scots and the Irish we weren't cool enough to be like grabed by the Romans damn it no but like to me that shows that like even in the Roman era uh climatic differences in the Netherlands such a tiny country but even back then there were massive differences between the Northwest and the rest of the country and it shows that even back then the Northwest wasn't the easiest to live on like we are a very different set of people even in modern times compared to the rest of the country like we know I know like we are direct direct they say that the Dutch are direct and then you have like North direct and yeah that's me I can come up across like as rude or like a person that just blurts things out but that's just how I grew up and I'm one of the softer ones I think I honestly think think you did an amazing job at the podcast with Joe and with graham I I very in the very beginning as you were like doing the opening I thought it was very telling that as you started to explain a little you weren't even diving that deep into things yet but as you were explaining a little I just saw Joe sometimes look up and look at Gram and like this is something he had never heard and this was just your opening like this was just basic facts very quick like let me I'm going to talk about this I'm going to talk about that and you see Joe and it's like okay that's that's that's something that just did something in his mind as well I think because he is one of the biggest grahe supporters there is because he took grahe on his podcast many times like one of the very first guests he had he kind of skyrocketed Graham into the kind of famous status that he currently has Joe definitely played a massive part in that and for him to like listen to you and then look at Graham and you can just see the the wheel spinning in his mind like this was stuff he did not know and if Graham actually had done his research like he said he has he would have told Joe all about all of that already because it's not like you grabb that Knowledge from like magical books uh that were like kept away from the rest of public no it's like this was common knowledge in the world of archaeology so if you do archaeological research like I do I'm an independent researcher I'm a high school dropout I have zero credentials my sister is a paleontologist with a master's degree working on her PhD so it's not not like I'm dumb there were things why I couldn't you know finish school but an independent researcher but I conduct research in the way that my sister has shown me this is how you do it and you can Google very simply how to conduct actual research so it's not difficult it's not magic it's not being kept by the Smithsonian no n none of that you know everyone is able to do this and Graham is someone who speaks a lot about how much research he has done over the past few decades and it's like where because I don't see the evidence for you doing that research because if you had you would have known everything that you said in the debate yeah no and then he admitted in the debate there's no archaeological evidence for a civilization and he consistently backed down on the kind of Technology they had he ended up boiling it down to it came out of shamanism okay I don't know exactly what that means at all as an anthropologist and archaeologist that's a meaningless phrase and they they looked at the stars and it's like yeah of course they look at the stars humans have looked at the stars since humans have been around that's what you do you can see the stars very clearly and if you pay attention to them you can start seeing patterns you can see how they end up in the same places at different times of the year and so it's just like yeah nobody doubted any of those things or at least the star looking gazing thing and so it's just even like with the Neolithic people in Ireland like building all those burial mounds that are all a with a certain star a sunrise a moonrise uh on certain days of the year like the solstice winter solstice summer solstice we have one or two at kokil that are pointed towards a moon at the highest point during one of the equinoxes they weren't Advanced they weren't an advanced civilization that was lost over time they were just people looking at stars there was barely any light pollution and hey if if I built this tomb facing that way and put my grandma inside then that Moonlight will shine on her on that particular day that I want I'm gonna build it exactly that it really is and I mean we see people doing stuff like that all over the world and so you know yeah I mean I was kind of surprised he did not he only brought up this kind of victimization and and then which was not true he took my quotes completely out of context it's like come on man read my whole article I never call you a racist or a grifter or anything like that I do think that the sources you use are problematic and that helps disprove you and I think that other people use those S more overt racist ways um so you know you should distance yourself from that right like that that was my advice and you know I don't know what else to say on that and then and then he brought up all these geological sites he never went to any archaeological sites that he goes to and his shows it's like he didn't want to have a conversation about any archaeology with me and even when he's at G Fang he's like no we don't have time the internet just it pooped on us a little bit no it's yeah yeah it's fine f didn't want to talk about archaeological sites you know like yeah am I back yeah you're back hello like not your your video but like at least your audio as well so the rest will always follow then he just didn't want to talk about any of the archaeology and it's just like what the hell you have a chance to chat with an archaeologist and present your archaeology and he just sort of said no I have no archaeological evidence and then wanted to avoid talking about it and you know I mean to be honest if you see my video interviewing Dr L fondre one of the things that shocked me was how he is just written out of the story he did major excavations at ganung Fong and you know but instead Gan Pam is presented in the show and even in that article that was retracted as if no archaeology had been done there and it's like no he's written a whole book on it it's just an Indonesian you know like you need to know Indonesian and know the local material yeah it's a shame it's uh like when the [Music] gadang paper hit online he was like I'm Vindicated and then when it was retracted it was very quiet and I was like Archaeology is Vindicated you mean like what where's Ram come on give give me something like you screamed so loud that you were Vindicated and it was shared across the Globe online every news Outlet was saying that this was the oldest man-made pyramid like you were Vindicated man and then at the end of the day you actually weren't which all the archaeologists already knew and when it was retracted you were very quiet it's like own your faults own your mistakes just as hard as you own your wins like if I make a mistake on my video I will definitely own it if I like say a name not properly like Homo erectus it's homoerectus I always say homie erectus it's it's like my homie yeah I just owned it and I gave a picture of homo erectus like glasses and a joint and it was like it was my homie you know like I'm just going to own my mistakes it's fine we are human we all make mistakes no one is perfect but just own it and don't be quiet and and think like hope this will disappear because it won't disappear it's online forever it's never gonna disappear and I have to say I'm really upset sometimes with journalism and media Graham tried to say that like I'm a puppet master or something of that and it's like no if I had any influence on the media I would expect the media to have as many articles about the retraction of Gung padong as there were articles on the 26,000 year old pyramid and instead the media fell hook B Hook Bank ah hook bait and sinker for you know that that that narrative the original narrative and then when the retraction comes it's mostly silence and you know same thing here the media went crazy over ancient apocalypse do we see any articles about this conversation on Joe Rogan no if I controlled the media there' be articles of Plenty already praising me and all this kind of stuff and yet there there's nothing and so you know the problem is is they want something Sensational which of course is you know this kind of misinformation the bosan pyramids it's like yeah real solid science which you know happens slowly and progressively that gets ignored even though that's the reality right and so yeah it's it's exactly like that I I also Lov the fact that you showed that um Stone heard uh look no on the Baltic Sea on the like the floor of the Baltic Sea near Germany video on that recently yeah I I loved making a video on it no one really cared about it and then I saw you mentioning it in the debate and I was like finally someone that understands like the magnitude of this because this was a hunter gatherer structure that would help them hunting deer like it's so simple but at the same time it's so magnificent because it shows that back when doggerland still existed this was how they hunted one of the ways how they hunted how they helped themselves hunt yeah blows my mind like I loving it and I'm just you know there's similar there's there's similar walls found in lake hon for example yeah and so I mean it's just like we find this kind of Hunter gather architecture all over the world and yeah yeah nobody seems seems to know about it they say oh my God goe couldn't have been hunter gatherers because it's architecture and it's like no we have plentiful examples of Hunter C or architecture even near golee beforehand and so it's just like you know it's just yeah people want something Sensational they want something that's beyond what we have evidence for and that's what makes media that's what generates conversation and what can you do what can you do yeah I'm currently like writing the on the site that they found at the Gulf of combat in India they found it like more than two decades ago and uh like last week or so suddenly an article popped up that this was the birth of birth of civilization because they found a piece of wood dating back to 7,000 years ago okay so let me retract that 7,000 years ago was actually already the birth of Uruk so like what do you mean new birth of civilization that still stands and at the same time that piece of wood was probably from a bit of forest that got submerged later on um and um drifted to this site because it's not even sure if it's an actual settlement they just see some geographical alignments on the seafloor and all the artifacts or Geo facts that they found were all recovered through reging yeah none of them were seen in situ like what do you mean this is like what it's the same as like seir osmanaj with the Bosnian pyramid saying oh well that's the plates people came down and they started Atlantis and then they created these Bosnian pyramids like I'm just going to say a lot of things and I'm just going to say that they're 12 and a half thousand years old and then I'm going to change it and say 25,000 years old and now I'm going to just change it to like 34,000 years old because that sounds a lot more awesome and I'm like there's zero evidence like what how do you how people live it's buzzwords and you know and that's the problem also with journalism on archaeology the thing that gets reported always is the oldest thing that we find and so it creates this kind of false impression that things keep getting older when in fact a lot of things also get younger you know I didn't have a chance to make that point like the my colleague here at Cardiff University Julia best she's on a series of uh teams that work on the domestication of chickens turns out chickens have been domesticated thousand thousands of years after archaeologists originally assumed and they've spread to Europe thousands of years after archaeologist used to assume so things certainly get younger all the time or you know as an example of my own field of study the Persian destruction of Athens leaves a huge set of data for us to study and what it's proven is for example red figure Pottery you know that that sort of red on black Athenian pottery that started you know 50 60 years later than we assumed you know this happens all the time the santarini eruption later than we used to assume all kinds of stuff is later and so it's just or uh what is it alligator mound in Ohio hundreds of years later after we get radiocarbon dates and so it's just this happens all the time it's it's it's not just older stuff it's just the media has a bias for saying oldest this old is that oldest this old is that and so yeah it always has to like change the history books it always has to like be the oldest it always has to like change our entire perception of History like we have to rewrite everything like no no science and history and archaeology it's ever changing it's ever evolving it doesn't stand still exactly if if it and yeah we have history books and of course they sometimes need revisions uh depending on which history book you grab from the Shelf because if you grab one from like the early 90s yeah that's not going to work day and age but I mean we have this continuation of rewriting the history books like and and they go to like schools and all that step so that's bugles my mind of course we keep rewriting history as yeah we find more and more that's assumed I thought yeah that's what I would think too that's what we do every article I publish changes the Paradigm of History same thing with every article my my colleagues publish we use new methods we find new evidence we have new questions and so that's just what we're in the business of doing we're we're in the business of discovering more and and changing what we I'm waiting for new DNA technology so that we can like do DNA further back further further further back like all the way back to like home there there's lot there's a lot of yeah I know I mean it's already there it's just a question of uh being able to apply it more more uh plentifully let's say yeah yeah yeah exactly so like for me it's like the human evolutionary timeline a lot of people just have no clue and that's why they don't believe in the Out of Africa Theory or that's why they don't believe in human evolution because oh we're not apes or we're not monkeys no you're right we're not monkeys we are Apes we are great apes we are wonderful and we are very very similar to our current living cousins The Chimps yeah look very similar oh yeah we can actually uh talk with gorillas in sign language we we have done that like people are are like no you can't uh yeah you seen that video with Robin Williams and Coco the gorilla they had full-on conversations and Koko was grieving as Robin Williams had passed I mean it's clear as day they understand us and we can understand them that's how close we are together in like the evolutionary way of speaking they're still our cousins all the other human species went extinct but we still have the chimps we we still have the gorillas and irang tanks but we're less related to me I think it's even a misnomer to say they all went extinct because that we all have their DNA in us you know we assimilated into US yeah has neander and denisovan DNA in us and of course you know Homer erectus and stuff like that you know so yeah there are I think why we I think one of the reasons that homo sapiens eventually became This Global species has everything to do with Homo erectus and their taste for like they wanted to go further and Beyond and they did they went all the way to Indonesia like within a couple hundred thousand years after emerging yeah they went like they already spanned the globe nearly so I mean that's where we have this innate sense of Discovery from we want to learn more we want to go beyond that's why we want to go to other planets and all that stuff that that comes from Homo erectus for sure yeah we can't be contained exactly no but thank you so much for like taking the time and talking with me and like telling the people more about what your experience was like and having this conversation about archaeology and all that stuff and I appreciate it you're doing a great job thank you I just appreciate the fact that you did this debate and you went for it and I respect you a lot for it thank you thanks I appreciate it and check Che me out on YouTube and Twitter and uh otherwise collaborate again Kaye because I think what you're doing is important to give science and Scholars and historians and archaeologists a voice that can reach a lot of people we would not reach otherwise and I think that's really important yeah thank you yeah I'll continue and we will definitely do another collaboration in the future okay sounds good so that was my conversation with Flint let me know in the comments down below what you thought go and subscribe to Flint's YouTube channel 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Published: Fri Apr 26 2024