Exploring the Lord of the Rings, Session 192 The Council about the Council

so [Music] good evening everybody welcome back to exploring the lord of the rings this is session number 192 and session number one officially on the ring goes south as we begin this strange stretch which is life after the council of elrond uh which some of us was not 100 sure uh would um actually happen but here we are uh going on uh to the ring goes south um so there were uh several things that i was um reflecting on so this past weekend was myth mode and it was awesome uh so glad to see so many of you there i got to uh talk with with many of you and to uh connect with many of you um it was uh it was it was wonderful um and of course we had several conversations about exploring the world of the rings and there were um there were a few things that i was uh reflecting on and had several conversations about uh one was uh some additional data that was laid upon me by evil dr cannon who is there uh at myth mood in person and uh we had a we had a long talk about this and um he was pointing out he he made a couple more graphs um in which he was calculating if you if you go back and you calculate on the average number of pages per session if you average uh our to our time from the last three chapters um that is so if you take the average of our pages per session from the last three chapters uh and project forward it's about um it's gonna take about 20 years or so uh to finish the rest of the lord of the rings but if you adopt the last chapter if you adopt the council of elrond uh as our model for going forward and assume that we're going to proceed through the lord of the rings at about the same pace that we did the council of elrond at then it projects actually to 30 years uh to get through uh to the end and i thought this was a very encouraging thing frankly uh because i figure okay 30 years uh and then adding a few extra years in uh for you know so there it is electrocannon's graph right there um yeah yeah there it is okay here i am let me see if i can explain i don't know if i'm gonna be able to put it on but anyway it's uh it's here on discord it takes me a minute to get it maybe i can download it i'm not sure um but um anyway yeah let's see i'll open the link there we go okay i can get it all right here it is hang on a second hang on a second all right there it is and then i can even make it bigger big enough to look at there we go okay forecasted time remaining uh based on our progress uh and the blue line is the line for uh based on the pace of the council of elrond uh so as you can see right around a little over 29 years uh which i figure i round up another three three and a half years if you put together all the weeks that i'm going to have to skip because of uh because of travel and you know other family conflicts and things like that put those together over the course of the next you know 30 years and that'll probably be an extra three years or so um but i think this is great i think this is great this is um uh uh this is very encouraging i find this very encouraging because this means that probably um i will we'll be finished with this by the time i'm 80. so that's perfect right what could be better uh so i you know i think this is um uh this is excellent now this math does not include the returning to the beginning so we can read you know concerning hobbits and the other introductory material doesn't include the appendices doesn't include going back and doing chapter one again which we skipped so much of uh and all and all that kind of thing um but um yeah exactly arinda says she's looking forward to the time when we start late because i'm putting the grandkids to bed yes yes indeed um well given that um uh yes i'm sure that that is going to be happening um but um anyway so that's uh uh that's that's what we have in front of us here and there are several things um and there are several things that we you know really can and should be thinking about moving forward one of the things that this also sort of led to is thinking a good deal more about what we've talked about in the past we've talked about having some kind of publication right some kind of um uh thing right where we uh we produce material from this um and there are several issues here so of course you know many people have suggested that i should write you know in exploring the lord of the rings book or or set of books like my exploring the hobbit book and that was a lot of fun and goodness knows i i'd be very interested in doing that uh at some point but first of all there's no way um there's no way that i'm gonna have time to do that anytime very soon so it's not a hugely practical suggestion but more importantly it wouldn't do the trick right that that or rather i mean like i could do that but it wouldn't that would not satisfy me um what i want is something that is going to be more interactive more um with more opportunity to grow organically over time uh so yeah tor martin says the binding of the book might be wider than its cover it's possible kurtzim is yeah something more like a wiki uh with recordings it would need to have multimedia uh options in there but it's more than just because what what i would love to see um so with several conversations about this over the course of the weekend and i have a slightly clearer idea of what i would like to see i would like to see something like a web page that could host our uh disc like our summaries like starting with the the the summaries that tony's already done a kind of overview of our of our discussions which are so wonderful and so useful and to have those heavily hyperlinked to particular topics of discussion uh particular items of debate particular themes that we might want to track through multiple sessions uh and come back to um and uh anyway so and then each one of those of course could have a page which could contain um you know obviously more than just stuff that we talked about in class i would love to have those themselves then be like discussion forums where discussion could continue and even potentially to be able to facilitate sort of further live discussions that could be recorded in other words i have no you know it's not about the the thing that i would like to produce the sort of web page or you know electronic uh massively hyperlinked and multimedia text that i would like to create uh from that i would like to see created from this it's not about i mean goodness knows this class has never been about uh just like you know me giving you my insights as you know i've set out on purpose to have these discussions be spontaneous i'm discovering along with you guys um this isn't just about like you know me preparing my wisdom to download to you of course teaching's never really like that anyway and and here that's not even my ambition so you know sometimes i think i've stumbled across some pretty interesting things many times you guys have suggested things i've never thought of before or things have emerged as we've been talking together that i suspect you know none of us planned or foresaw and so of course it's fun uh to kind of catalog those and to you know to sort of write those down and note those down but there are going to be a lot of things i know i've already read the word of the rings again several times since we started and when i'm reading the parts that we've already discussed there are several times when a new thing that i never thought of before occurs to me and that's going to happen that's always gonna happen so again i don't want it just to be sort of a static record of what we talked about in the sessions though of course like that's a good place to start right uh as anything um so uh anyway it's um it's gonna be it needs to be so if if if this thing right this big electronic text thing uh that i'm talking about um is to be you know some kind of some kind of legacy right some kind of um uh uh you know something useful for the future uh the idea is not that like what we've come up with or what we've said along the way here you know is definitive and must be permanently recorded um but rather to provide opportunities for further discovery and further discussion as as as things move forward so anyway that's um that's the kind of thing that i'm thinking of and we're almost ready i wonder i wonder if we would be um i wonder if we would be you know we've been talking about this since we finished book one right i remember sitting down with you guys and having a long discussion about that low these two years ago um but um yeah kurtzman says this would be uh almost be more like a concordance than a book christmas it would contain many of the elements of a concordance in fact um as i would love to take um now of course one of the tricky parts kurtzmus is that we can't actually include the text of the lord of the rings in it right which is a shame i mean what i would really love to do is to have the full text of the lord of the rings and have it hyperlinked right with our different discussions and um and uh and thoughts and suggestions that would really in my opinion be optimal we can't do that uh legally uh just due to copyright restrictions um so we can't do that but we can at least uh you know start with that's why i'm kind of imagining as sort of the base text being the summaries like the episode summaries as a way to kind of march through so that people can march through the text you know to kind of march through summaries of our discussions see the flow of everything that we've talked about but also have the opportunity to kind of drill down either drill down deeper into particular discussions or to move outwards um and so drilling down by the way could also get you to uh video like video or and audio snippets of like the relevant section of class so you wouldn't just have to go through the whole long class recording and it also could link you to other places where that same theme has come up before so you know when we're looking at a particular word usage or you know thinking about the subjunctive mood or something like that um to be able to have links that would be able to take you to all of the different episodes uh you know in sequence in which we talked about all those things um so anyway that's um that's just what we're um uh that that's what we're that's that's what i would really love to uh to see um it would be because see this is one of the other things this came up in my discussions with evil dr cannon when he was having a serious talk with me about our projections for the times and that is um that is that we it's going to become harder and harder i people are going to carry on discovering this right but could you imagine the situation of somebody who discovers this you know 10 years from now after 15 years worth of recordings i mean the time will come when it's going to be about 1500 you know 15 2 000 hours of listening to catch up to the live class right um two thousand hours i mean put that in context two thousand hours that's a full-time job for a year right eight hours a day five days a week fifty weeks out of the year um and you know so it's it's it's not really uh going to uh be reasonable uh right to um uh to to expect people to catch up um obviously people so having a having a mechanism whereby they can you know look at summaries and so if they if they really want to follow the flow of our discussions to this point and then jump in that there will be some options for that rather than listening necessarily to all 2000 hours uh in order uh before we get to the end of that um but um anyway anyway that's so yeah i mean i so freebeard i think it's a it's a freebird that's a perfectly good question um like do we have any reason to think that uh people uh you know not here are gonna be interested it's been my experience ever since i started my podcast that there are lots of people who are interested in this kind of thing and who would be interested in the kind and not to mention those who come after um many of you who've been around my podcast for a long time may have fond memories of the silmarillion seminar that we held back in 2010 i still get emails i still get emails uh from people who have just discovered the silmarillion seminar and are thanking me for doing it and that was like more than 10 years ago this was 11 years ago at this time um and so yeah i mean it could be you know when after all of us here are gone right people will still be uh um people will still be discovering this so exactly praise this is for posterity and precisely um uh so anyway that's uh as i say that's always been my experience since i started the podcast um i began this podcast with a with his sort of uh underestimation of how many people there were out there who might be interested in this sort of thing um and uh i've learned over the last 11 years not to underestimate that kind of thing um but uh yeah drawsnake points out that 2050 is around the time the lord of the rings is expected to enter the public domain but draw snake i'm not holding my breath about that uh because tolkien you know the lord of the rings and the hobbit both are scheduled to hit the public domain after mickey mouse does and so therefore i don't expect them ever to do so uh but that's uh but that's a different thing um exactly drawsnake points out that the mouse always has its way and that's precisely precisely it um but anyway so i am i'm not quite sure exactly how to proceed but if people are interested to proceed i think we could begin sort of forming a kind of editorial team uh to kind of talk about the mechanics of moving forward with this project um i don't have much time uh to okay that is light ots as we say in my industry um uh i have almost no time uh to dedicate to this project myself right now um but i would love to see it happen uh and i would be happy to facilitate it's occurring uh and uh and kind of you know support it in various other ways that we can um but um uh anyway yeah um yes captain mo i agree that line about uh you know when those who are now in the wombs of women grow old right yeah that aragorn says in the yeah uh-huh uh-huh now there's uh there is uh uh that is a uh a line relevant to be thought of uh in in regards to the future of uh exploring the lord of the rings um but um yeah yeah um so yeah uh we'll we will um we will see and yeah trifle i agree there will be a significant degree of computer encoding work involved so yeah we're going to need people to help with tony's been doing summaries we may need people to to help with other summaries or some other uh kind of editorial segments there we'll need people to help with video and audio editing to be able to prevent present relevant clips so that people don't have to shift through you know like the whole like you know scrub somewhere up to you know like an hour and a half in to find the particular relevant section we're gonna have to um uh we're we're gonna need to be doing some um some some coding to uh uh to figure out how to lay this up we're going to need some you know web design to kind of put it together so there's there's definitely going to be a a variety of skills that would be that would be needed for this um and to think about how everything could be kind of um could be integrated uh together um but anyway that's um exactly musical we're gonna need to remove the announcement again just could separate out individual segments there's all kinds of uh there's all kinds of things here um but um anyway yeah so i think it's gonna be a lot of fun so let's see uh what to do next why don't you um uh if you are interested in this project uh you can go ahead and send an email i think my email is probably the um the the easiest thing to do um you can send an email you can send an email to um let's see where can you send an email why don't you send an email uh just to the to the basic signum line to info at signumuniversity.org or signumu.org info signumu dot org um uh so yeah that would be that that'd be easiest and then we can kind of sort out exactly where things are gonna happen next and everything uh that would be uh that would be really cool so any one of those kinds of tasks that i talked about if you'd be interested in being involved and again if not no problem right this is no pressure just for people i know lots of people have expressed a desire to see this happen and to uh take part in that um so uh so yeah send us an email and we'll put together a team and see see what we can do um one last note uh that i would make before we uh get well no i'll do that next time okay all right but let's move let's get into because you know we're not getting anywhere in chapter two here if we don't hustle hustle that's what we're all about right um okay so we had started with the council of bilbo later that day the hobbits held a meeting of their own in bilbo's room mary and pippen were indignant when they heard that sam had crept into the council and had been chosen as frodo's companion it's most unfair said pippin instead of throwing him out and clapping him in chains elrond goes and rewards him for his cheek rewards said frodo i can't imagine a more severe punishment you were not thinking what you were saying condemned to go on this hopeless journey a reward yesterday i dreamed that my task was done and i could rest here a long while perhaps for good i don't wonder said mary and i wish you could but we were envying sam not you if you have to go then it will be a punishment for any of us to be left behind even in rivendell we have come a long way with you and been through some stiff times we want to go on that's what i meant said pippin we hobbits ought to stick together and we will i shall go unless they chain me up there must be someone with intelligence in the party then you certainly will not be chosen peregrine took said gandalf looking in through the window which was near the ground but you are all worrying yourselves unnecessarily nothing is decided yet yeah captain mo i love the fact that uh it's gandalf who's eve dr who's eavesdropping outside the window right but you'll notice nobody attempts to infenestrate gandolf right uh though it would have been one might think uh fair turnabout uh for sam to reach out and pull the wizard in through the window he doesn't even try it for some reason not quite sure why um um yeah yeah perhaps they could have all done it together as a team effort cursiveness it's possible um yeah yeah um now my favorite line by the way in this passage um i i the one sentence uh that i go through and like repeat to myself uh you know when i i that i just i just love the uh the the whole sound and the sense of it we are envying sam not you right um frodo as matt was just pointing out um there's uh frodo is so beside himself he can't engage in habitry right um he's he they're joking right they're all reacting like hobbits right they're all engaging in hobbitry they're teasing each other right um starts with pippin choosing sam right uh throwing him out and clapping him in chains elrond goes and rewards him for his cheek uh and then um you know again pippin of course can't be stopped right uh with his uh with his habitat even down to his remark about intelligence um and uh but frodo in the middle of it is is he's the one who's completely out of tune with everybody else here right rewards i can't imagine a more severe punishment you were not thinking what you were saying condemned to go on this hopeless journey a reward um condemn to go on this hopeless journey a reward uh frodo is rather pessimistic here right um frodo has just made the step and remember the emphasis that was laid upon this both explicitly in his words and implicitly in how he approached the whole thing before and after frodo's volunteering how much emphasis elrond laid upon frodo's choice right upon frodo's volunteering in his act of free will and sort of despite that or after that um there's yeah um there's uh he's still describing it right condemned to go on this hopeless journey a reward now he's not describing himself there as condemned right he's not been condemned to go on this hopeless journey sam was condemned to go on this hopeless journey as we talked about elrond was as we talked about last time when we were looking at sam's volunteering elrond is explicit about preserving frodo's free will he's more implicit in preserving sam's free will and this seems to me wholly appropriate and only demonstrates that uh you know elrond is picking up what sam's putting down right um sam was obviously though he didn't bother to actually say it in so many words was obviously himself volunteering or even perhaps more strongly the word volunteering might be too gentle a word for what sam was doing um especially given the sort of impetus that brought him to leap up and speak up and out of turn in front of everybody there at the council right um this is much more urgent than just a volunteering uh on sam's part and and again it seems to me uh that elrond read that and read that perfectly well but frodo characterizes it that is what elrond says to sam um as a condemnation right a condemnation to go on this hopeless journey um and that's interesting right i can't imagine a more severe punishment and again like on the surface of course one can easily see what he means right um what uh what more horrible way to condemn sam for sneaking in for sneaking into the council uninvited uh then to send him off on this uh you know on this hopeless journey to his death right um which by calling it hopeless that's what frodo is suggesting right and he goes on i i dreamed yesterday i dreamed that my task was done and i could rest here a long while perhaps for good now this is interesting because i'm not sure i get where frodo is right now you know as far as like his head's base if you see what i mean um i don't think that um i don't think oh excellent i see druidsfire has created a new uh discord channel here uh uh an ex lotro multimedia project uh for people who want to discuss that separately fantastic that's great thank you too it's fire that's very helpful um okay so i as i say i don't really get i don't think i understand exactly where frodo is here maybe you guys can help me understand this because i don't understand it for one thing yesterday i dreamed that my task was done and i could rest here a long while perhaps for good maybe i mean i don't disbelieve him it's not like i think he's lying right here right and yet he's known for some time right um you know i go to lose a treasure right he's not he's going he's going there and he's not going to come back again so far as he can tell now we can say okay so i mean he sensed that since bag end right this is not it's not a new idea um i would argue that i think he's had a pretty clear idea as did gandalf that that you know gandalf already raised the possibility of him having to be the one to take the ring to mordor back in baghdad remember that came up and gandalf raised that though he did throw him you know the lifeline right that task may be reserved for others right it's it's at least a possibility right um so yeah anyway i don't think that he really believed so i've been getting in a bad habit lately of pointing to the film as an example of what i think is untrue about the book but it so often illustrates it really nicely so i may keep doing it but i i just mentioned that so as to say i don't want to create the impression that i think the film is just the film adaptations are just horrible and do everything wrong but what i'm thinking of is you know that that moment it's sam it's not frodo in the film right when sam comes to frodo and he says he's got their bags packed and he's assuming they're going home right the the kind of assumption uh that sam expresses the kind of confidence that movie sam expresses about like you know going home you know that like their task is done um i don't think anybody feels that way uh in in the book i don't think any of the hobbits feel that way in the books i certainly don't think frodo felt that way so i certainly don't think that we can interpret this as saying um you know he was like what happened you know that kind of movement within his heart that led him to volunteer at the council i came upon him unexpectedly and suddenly and he'd never considered it and it you know in retrospect blows them away i don't think um i don't think that that is you know what happened at all um now i do acknowledge um uh i do acknowledge that uh he uses the word dreamed right which is different right he he says as uh somebody was just pointing out um uh yeah jj was uh saying this as was i think somebody else just a little bit earlier on um that um he he he didn't didn't necessarily say he believed it right just that he dreamed that his task was done um and he imagines resting here for a long while perhaps for good in fact he seems here to be articulating what that thing that he had the really strong longing for right um uh right before he volunteers that desire to stay here at peace with bilbo um yeah yeah so he dreamed that briefly i guess but here's one other interesting thing notice that he's not dreaming about going home right um there are sort of three options right notice that they're well in bag end when he was talking to gandalf about this there were two options right one was the there in back journey like bilbo's where you go you do the job and you come back home right not exactly the same but you come back home um and that's uh that's one possibility right that's one uh that's one version but he never believed in that right um he thought that this was definitely no there and there's no treasure hunt right no therein back journey the other option was to go the much more depressing option that he thought was more likely to be his fate right that he was gonna uh uh that he was going on a one-way trip right that he was just going you know going to be flying from deadly peril into daily deadly peril drawing it after him right that he was going to spend the rest of his life wandering through the wild on the run hiding from the spies and servants of sauron right that was uh that was the other option right to go there meaning away from the shire and never return again right this dream here that he refers to seems to suggest almost a kind of third possibility right namely that he could go there and not go back again but it doesn't have to be on the run right he could stay here he'd be safe here right he wouldn't have to worry about the the the spies and servants of sauron finding him uh if he were here he could remain here you know so long as the ring didn't right if his task were done and he could give up the ring and not worry about it anywhere anymore and just you know retire to rivendell like bilbo has retired to rivendell but it's interesting to me that the going home again it's one of the reasons why one of the several reasons why that scene always kind of makes me twitch the movie scene always kind of makes me twitch a little bit because it's um it's anyway it's very different uh from the books it's very untrue to the situation here to the real uh kind of emotional and i don't even spiritual in a sense situation their sense of their own callings and duties is what i mean by that by spiritual um sam is definitely not packing up and gonna be pressing frodo to go back home right um he is instead focused entirely on following frodo wherever he may go and he clearly um had the sense that frodo was gonna be going on right that frodo was going to be moving forward um but even frodo himself does not seem to imagine going home now bilbo is here right and tim you're right um frodo doesn't have a home to go to um not not really his home right he sold uh bag end to the sackville bagganses and bilbo is here right um so in some ways this is an upgrade right from his uh you know his new house in crick hollow right better to stay i mean you know it's nice and they fixed it up as nice as they could and everything but um but it's not going to be the same as you know the old house at bag end and you know whatever but um it's uh but again i think more importantly that home think about one of the reasons that this strikes me is particularly important remember the hobbit right remember the pattern that we're following frodo differentiates his quest his undertaking from bilbo's at the beginning right my journey is not like bilbo's journey i'm not going there and back again and we see that continuously borne out remember of course in the hobbit when bilbo is on his journey what's he doing all the time right what does the narrator keep reminding us that bilbo is doing right what he's always doing is fantasizing about home imagining his you know wishing to be next to his hearth with the kettle just beginning to sing right uh not for the last time as the hobbit narrator is always reminding us at that point um uh exactly thinking about bacon and eggs uh matthew that's that's exactly it um he um frodo doesn't do that right frodo is not on that kind of the the the back again was always the point right i mean bilbo's destination was never the lonely mountain right the lonely mountain was only a waypoint on the there and back again journey right it was the point at which the journey was going to turn around and you know it was the midpoint of the journey not the end of the journey home was always the end of the journey it's always the you know the sort of measure right by which the whole process um was sort of measured you know how how close he was to success and with frodo it isn't that right he hasn't at any point been thinking he's only been thinking about uh how to escape how to leave how to cover his trail even to the point i mean he as you know i don't want to leave too quickly the point um that you guys were making tim you make a really important point he sold his home before he left right i mean bilbo doesn't exactly make good arrangements right everybody thinks he's dead and he's returns home to find his house being sold off um but frodo sells his home before he leaves right um and conceals actively can see you know bill didn't conceal his departure on purpose right um but frodo does uh conceal his departure on purpose um and um anyway so um uh yeah tomas is wondering is it like the burning of the ships well less obnoxious right he doesn't set fire to it uh and uh and what's more it's actually his right as opposed to something he stole so it has certain differences uh with the burning of the ships but it is tomas almost as almost as permanent i mean there's it's not it's not as horrible i mean i i still think the burning of the ships is one of the most horrible things that feyenoord did quite possibly in its way the worst i think that that was the really the the the thing from which there was no turning back uh for feyenoord i know the kinslane is is where i've been killing fellow elves is worse than setting fire to the ships i'm not trying to argue that exactly but um uh but i think he's further around the bend like i feel like that's his point of no return but anyway that's um uh that's neither here nor there the point is it's not that kind of a moral step uh you know very serious bad moral step that frodo's making and yet it's almost as irrevocable right i mean uh the remember when the um um remember when his friends are talking you know the conspiracy and his you know how the lengths he's going to to uh to conceal the fact that he was going and yet how obvious it was that he was planning a major step right and they mentioned like actually um you know actually selling his beloved bag end like if he's going to go to extremes like that there's obviously something's obviously up you know um so anyway um uh yeah yeah um yeah i'm right okay tomas right thinking not a fan or uh but of cortez yeah in a more cortezian sense right in the sense of you can't go home but still there i don't think that parallel works exactly either um yeah talk about burning ships i'm always going to be thinking of fan or first um but um but anyway the larger point here is simply that frodo i'm not saying he doesn't want to go home but it's not it's certainly not his it was always bilbo's destination it has never been that his destination here and we can see that right um his dream right in as much as he has a dream you know a fantasy about what he could do and how things could turn out his dream is to retire in rivendell right to be enabled to stay here not to go home he's still going there and not back again except that there is nicer right rivendoe instead of mordor and the not coming back again means quiet retirement instead of horribly painful death so there's a lot of ways in which this would certainly be a fantasy outcome instead instead of the horror outcome but but nevertheless it both are still in the same pattern if you see what i mean both are still there and not going back again home is uh right out of the picture and i'd be interested i don't off the top of my head i can't remember any time that frodo is going to long for home in the way that bilbo did right at any point in the entire rest of the books um i just don't think that i don't remember that sorry i don't remember that ever happening um in the entire rest of the book it'll be interesting to watch sam's going to remember home right um and he's going to talk about going home but frodo i don't think is going to do that not as far as i remember um yeah yeah yeah exactly go going through that's the first thing that i was uh thinking of um that sam asks him if he can remember the shire um but he can't right yeah exactly he he fails there um uh yeah yeah um anyway let's um so we'll we'll we'll see what we see as we move forward there but i do think it's interesting that that's what his dream is um resting here a long while perhaps for good here's one of the reasons that i think that here's another reason i think that's interesting is there a sense in which this dream kind of gives itself away that is to say i suspect perhaps this dream that he dreamed it's not a bad dream it's not a wicked dream right um it's like it's not like a dream he's gotta repent of or something but um but ultimately it's um like an irresponsible dream it's an avoidance dream um it's in neither one thing nor the other dream right i neither go on the quest and fulfill this task nor go home right i just remain here in a kind of limbo and it's almost an escapist dream in a sense right um to be outside of uh all that now like bilbo remaining here it's different for him right i it you know when you're 130 retirement to rivendell means something quite different um but um uh yeah yeah um exactly go going through at the very least it's punting the problem to somebody else absolutely absolutely um and um now we know he's he didn't do it right he didn't cling to that if it was a temptation he resisted the temptation when the time came for somebody to volunteer to take the ring he volunteered right he stepped forward he did in fact stand forth like he was supposed to do um yeah now uh phlegm before i hear you about the significance of uh frodo's earlier dreams but i don't think this is that kind of a dream i don't think he had a dream first of all every other dream he's had that's been significant has been narrated as part of the narration like we're told about the dream like in the moment while he's still asleep in the narrative right i see no reason to think this is that kind of dream i think that he's talking about essentially daydreaming i think he's essentially daydreaming about uh uh that his task was done and he could rest here a long while he's because again i see no reason to believe it was a dream anything like his other dreams that we've seen um described um i think he's just saying like he had this wish right he he allowed himself to imagine yesterday when he woke up and he went to the feast and he um yeah he woke up and he went to the feast and he saw bilbo in the uh in the the hall of fire and then they went back to his room and talked for a while um you know under the stars that he indulged during that time he indulged this desire right this wish that maybe it could always be like this right maybe he could just live here and do this like that all the time um yeah yeah um i i think that that's all he means when he says i dreamed that my task was done um i don't know that i could prove it like to prove that he didn't have a dream the only thing i can say is that it breaks with the pattern every other dream that he's had that's been significant has been narrated to us and so therefore i don't see why this that was wouldn't be uh in that in that sense um so yeah it's in that sense it's not that this is a false dream and the others were true dreams philanthropy is that this one isn't a dream it's just a wish um a waking wish or desire um the longing right just like that longing that can that rose up within his heart uh in the council itself right um not a dream so again it's it's uh it's it's uh it's just a different kind of thing um and rowan you're right and i saw a couple other people talking about this too uh that um it was pretty quick after his recovery as well that he he's only been you know conscious since his ordeal uh for like a day or less than a day um so uh so yeah that's um also i think kind of puts into context what he says about his dream here right he didn't have long to indulge it um and uh i don't think it uh this desire of his took very firm root or was a uh was really held in his heart as a very viable option again i think it's been pretty clear um i think even back when gandalf was saying to him in bag end uh that he was meant to find the ring and that might be a comforting thought and frodo said it is not all right i think that one of the reasons he's thought that he's being meant to find the to have the ring was a comfort it was not a comforting thought um uh was that he could tell then right he could sense from there uh that this was his that he was gonna have this job to do right um that he had to um that this was not gonna work out like a quiet retirement uh for him um yeah yeah um yeah okay so again back to my question where is frodo right now in his you know in his headspace is there anything let me um let me ask this question another way if you were a director what would you say to the frodo actor who was delivering this line like what instructions would you give to the frodo actor who is delivering these lines you see what i mean i mean you could imagine doing it a couple different ways is he um half joking right is he bitter he could say it bitter you know that would fit the words depressed angry or i don't know i don't know um resigned o'malley yeah possibly drowsnik i agree with you that he starts um semi-joking i can't him rewards i can't imagine a more severe punishment is almost in line with the bantering hobbity tone that pippin was clearly using right and that frodo was responding to um but that next sentence you were not thinking what you were saying condemned to go on this hopeless journey a reward um condemned to go on this hopeless journey yeah if i agree that does not sound like hobbitry to me if you if there was a little bit of echoing back to pippin what pippin was giving it's gone by that second sentence right um yeah fourth thoughtless says uh that initial habitry sounds a bit desperate he's covering not honestly joking yeah i think he's trying right he's trying to respond to pippin and kind but he can't that that makes sense condemned i agree nancy condemned is a hard word um uh condemned is a hard word condemned to go on this hopeless journey well thank you bold ring bearer right uh uh you know that is he's not sounding like the protagonist here right he's not sounding like uh you know the guy from the hall of fame of elf friends speaking here right um yeah yeah cecilia thinks wistful that last sentence is wistful definitely definitely um exasperated amethorn yeah exasperated at their not understanding the gravity of the situation now like hobbits understand why other hobbits speak lightly at times right what um what mary is going to have to explain explicitly in the houses of healing uh to aragorn whom he still thinks does not understand it right um and i love it by the way we'll forecast i'll do this early because it's going to be well by the time we get to it we'll all forgotten it again anyway um i believe that the speech that prompts mary to be apologetic to aragorn in the in the houses of the healing about how he's like not slept in a day and a half and uh and everything else um i think that aragorn is totally attempting habitry again but aragorn is just he's so bad at it like aragorn is so bad at hobbitry um he almost never succeeds uh in maintaining the tone and carrying off the tone that you're supposed to have gandalf is like is a natural even elrond is reasonably good at it though it's a little stiff but uh but aragorn he just he he's he's hopeless he is hopeless when it comes to hobbitry um and uh such that mary thinks he's not even joking right mary misses the point uh entirely and he's got to explain it right anyway so uh frodo obviously gets it he understands and he understands what's behind it and everything um but that you are not thinking what you are saying comes close to objecting to the hobbitry tone entirely like don't make jokes about it right yeah yeah you were not thinking what you were saying condemned to go on this hopeless journey a reward that's not even a joke right um mary and pippin both though refuse to be cut back by this right there they're not neither one of them are going to leave off uh with hobbitry though uh mary has a good kind of compromising tone to frodo um which is what we're gonna look at uh look at next um but i agree evil dr cannon that it shows where matt is that he's not we're matt no you are matt it shows where frodo is that he's not in the mood for it absolutely i think it does tell us uh something um about that um exactly likely about frodo has to be thinking that sam is likely to die which is not a joking matter uh no but of course like not joking matters are exactly what hobbits do joke about right and again frodo understands that you know as well as any other hobbit but um but he's he's he's not that he can't do it right he can't do it so um he is in a sufficiently serious frame of mind do i think he's depressed i don't think he's depressed um he sounds a little too active for that um he does get wistful at the end i agree um i think that he's um yeah yeah um free bird you're right he's trying to dissuade them from following that's true that's true um he wants to seriously just and freebird of course you mentioned this we've seen this kind of thing before right at the conspiracy unmasked when they're all joking and he feels like hang on hang on no no no no guys seriously let's talk about this right you don't understand what you're saying um uh he takes exactly that kind of tone with them um when he said you know when in his like i can't allow it kinds of speeches then um and uh and again he thinks that or he seems to be concerned that they just don't get it they don't comprehend how serious a business this is um yeah blue wizard i agree he's trying to convey as he was before that this is his burden but it doesn't have to be theirs um he doesn't joke about it though bilbo was joking about it right bilbo made a serious offer to take the ring on himself and joked about it the whole time right joked about it so successfully that it almost made boromir laugh right or would have done had everybody else in the room you know not been laughing also um yeah yeah um yeah but you're right evil dr ken and bilbo's joke only involved himself and here frodo was thinking about sam's already been condemned to go on this hopeless journey right um you know and so it's uh if this is just it's too bitter for laughter especially in exactly that even in exactly the terms that pippin was joking about right um imagining that elrond should have punished him and instead of punishing him he rewarded him and frodo's like what are you talking about he condemned him to death what more do you want right and so the disjunction there uh is uh is it seems to reflect his i agree that bilbo was only joking about himself um i like mary's response right on the one hand he doesn't back down i don't wonder and i wish you could but we are envying sam not you if you have to go then it will be a punishment for any of us to be left behind even in rivendell we've come a long way with you and been through some stiff times we want to go on now he doesn't joke here exactly but again that reversal that we are envying sam not you is still a funny way of saying it right um he is still being light in his expressions but he's being gentle right i don't wonder and i wish you could right i don't wonder that you dreamed that your task was done and you could rest here a long while and i wish you could right um but we're envying sam not you we're not saying we wish that we also could be on this quest and notice also the distinction that he's making um he's correcting implicitly correcting something that frodo said which i think is very important and what he's correcting is the word condemned elrond didn't condemn sam to go on this trip he rewarded him and mary is going to stand up for that he's going to defend the joke right um elrond did reward sam reward him by granting him what he wanted allowing him to go along with frodo is where frodo's going is really horrible that's absolutely true but sam was given what he wanted uh which was the privilege of going along with frodo and if you have to go then it will be a punishment for any of us to be left behind even in rivendell so he's calling frodo on that sam wasn't condemned right sam chose sam wanted to go and he was given his wish right so you can go on and say frodo that sam shouldn't wish for that right that he shouldn't want to go on this journey with you right but the fact is he does and so do marion pippen and they would consider it a punishment for them to be left behind if he has to go um even if they have to be left behind in rivendell notice how he ties it back into his his dream his wish his daydream right they could live it they could retire here or maybe maybe they'd be allowed to stay um it doesn't look like elrond's going to be booting him out anytime soon right so um but anyway like even if we got to stay here in rivendell right it would be not the fulfillment of our wishes it would be like a punishment um yeah yeah um yeah likely about says uh let me go back to you it's one of those moments when i remember that mary is a princeling um yeah yeah he is um he is yeah drow snake said he just realized that over over 50 of the fellowship are essentially royalty um kind of yeah yeah uh of different kinds right but um but yeah yeah it's um it's a fairly august group all right as uh remember gandalf is going to be kind of making a joke about that right when um worm tongue makes his crack about the ragged wanderers in gray right and uh um gandalf is gonna point out what uh an august guest list in fact uh he has right here um but anyway um yeah yeah okay yeah that's an interesting parallel green great dragon um being like if uh if huron and had been detained in gondolin and not allowed to leave as they uh as they were um that's what it would be like for mary and pippen to stay in rivendell yeah that's an interesting parallel um yeah um so i let's just say i love the the gentleness but firmness with which mary corrects him here right and it all pivots on that sentence i find so delightful but we are envying sam not you right we're not envy we don't want to be you we're not wishing that this task had been laid on us um if there's anyone who's been condemned it's frodo right but he took it on himself right this is why that free will moment was so important and now mary is basically pointing out because again the condemnation crack right that frodo made before in his bitterness concern um his upset that you know sam is uh coming along right on this hopeless journey um mary's not gonna let him get away with it right sam chose they choose and he frodo is not going to get to overrule their choice frodo chose to take up the quest they choose to come along they want to go on and of course it's adorable we have come a long way with you and been through some stiff times it's adorable from the context of knowing what happens later right knowing what a small percentage of their journeys and their difficulties the hobbits are in fact through at this point it's adorable uh to hear mary talk about how long they've come and how stiff have been the times through which they have come it's not that it's untrue their journey is a very significant one by their measure by any hobbit measure um and the times they have come through have it's not that they've not experienced anything right uh you know the barrow uh the barrow you know the old forest the barrow downs um uh the the incidents in bree the attack on weathertop the flight to the ford these are pretty significant moments and yet there's so much yet to come right and as gandalf is going to say later on in this chapter um you know gandalf and elrond will both agree that neither mary nor pippin really understands um what is to come and we can see that really clear uh here um but um yeah it's true no i i'm not down good you know people pointing out that you know there there was some very serious peril that they have faced they did almost get eaten by a tree uh and they were you know their time in the barrow that was that was legitimately uh legitimately deadly i totally agree oh no all that stuff is true um but um i'm just saying it's a it's a clear indication that um i have no doubt that mary when he returns to rivendell and looks back at this moment would not think that when he was last in rivendell i don't think that he would have he would in retrospect call the trip from you know the shire to rivendell that he has that he's here commenting i don't think that he would now say you know we we came a long way right it's gonna it's gonna look different to him later on is all i'm saying um yeah yeah um yeah yeah not again it's not that it's not true it's not that it's not true those were all definitely um stiff times but so much more to come um and then he ends with that really simple statement we want to go on and again notice he ends by reasserting his choice frodo i understand i understand how you feel i unders i understand how you feel about yourself your wish to stay here and your sort of regret that you're not going to be able to do that your sense of hopelessness about the journey that's in front of you your concern about sam and your and us as your other friends uh that um you know but you cannot abrogate our choice we want to go on and pippin without this sort of gentle compromise of tone right that's what i meant we hobbits ought to stick together and we will i shall go unless they chain me up notice he's uh he goes well beyond we want to go on i shall go right and notice how he's back to being clapped in chains by elrond right he goes back to his original joke um he's absolutely doubling down on this right um when pippin had joked that sam ought to have been clapped in chains and instead was sent on uh was was rewarded right and sent on the journey um pippin is now still is keep going back to that same joke right yep so there are two there are two choices either being clapped in chains or um going along with a party right that's those are the only are being sent along on the journey just like sam was those the only two you know those were the two options for sam uh and uh those are the only two options for me too um yeah absolutely um and i love how that's yeah i don't know what he's gonna contrive to do right uh to get chained up as a punishment or whatever but he's he's determined his choice he states his choice even more resolutely and more whimsically right i shall go unless they chain me up um just use in the future tense and then there must be someone with intelligence in the party so how do you end right how do you end this kind of statement how does what is his contribution to um cheering up frodo right to countering frodo's anxiety ridden possibly bitterness-tinged statements from before um he ends it with a joke with an insult right classic habitry right um by insulting frodo's intelligence uh is how he brings it back around right um there must be someone with intelligence in the party um so he's insulting all three of the rest of them right but unfortunately there is someone else at hand uh who knows just the right answer um then you certainly will not be chosen peregrine took said gandalf looking in through the window which was near the ground um so gandalf isn't going to let him get away with that right there must be someone with intelligence in the party um remember this remember the occasion of this when we come back to this later on um soon probably um uh then you certainly will not be chosen peregrine took um the scolding tone right but again gandalf really good at hobbitry um the uh the joking scolding of him right hammerthorn i agree gandalf is kind of the king of comebacks absolutely um yeah christmas i get christmas wondering how near the ground this window is you know was is gandalf like lying down or like on his hands and knees probably not that close to the ground i suspect this just means it's a first story window just like they have for hobbits and brie remember they have ground floor windows for them um because they you know barwoman knows they don't like to go upstairs or as we learned in the myth guard academy maybe he does it to present them to prevent them throwing his crockery out the for the you know the the upper story windows um like hobbits or wants to throw their dirty dishes out the window crucial things you learn in the myth garden academy um but um but yes i i i believe it's only a ground floor window i don't think that gandolf is crawling along on his hands and knees coming up to a tiny little window yeah but notice where gandalf goes immediately now i have to imagine um that gandalf so it's possible that gandalf was just passing by and only heard the last comment but i don't think it likely i think that he is at least heard back to what frodo said um when he says you are all worrying yourselves unnecessarily suggests that he's heard what all of them were saying right you were all worrying yourselves unnecessarily nothing is decided yet what does he mean by you are all worrying yourselves unnecessarily it seems that he's addressing both of the um both of the concerns right mary and pippen are concerned that they're going to be left behind frodo is concerned that they're going to come right and gandalf says there's no point in arguing about any of this right nothing is decided yet it's not at all certain that mary and pippen are not going to be allowed to come nor is it certain that they're going to be allowed to go um nothing is decided yet um well we will see this of course as a transition in to our next slide which we will talk about next time um so we're going to we're going to stop here uh because you know one slide is plenty uh for a class and also remind don't i didn't want to talk about too many things uh in one session don't let me forget next time to tell you about our we did our reenactment at myth moot um we did a reenactment about the seating arrangements we finally got around to the seating arrangements at the at the feast in frodo's honor uh uh in rivendell reenactment um which i thought was uh really helpful actually uh it uh it helped me a great deal uh to picture that more clearly so i will i will share with you tentative conclusions from the reenactment um but uh anyway so we'll talk we'll talk about that next time don't don't let me forget next time um but anyway so yeah we'll do that next time and in the meantime it is field trip time again thanks everybody for uh uh joining us and feel free to join us for the field trip here good evening valerie how are you good evening it was so great to see you last weekend it was so awesome yeah it was oh i played glory findle at the table by the way that was fun yeah exactly like a graceful elf i dropped my plate and all the silverware fell off it was so awesome that was good so uh let's see we're going back to our mile marker at spliff tailed again at fletcell yeah let's go let's head back after clithe uh our level 15 friend alfredier if you have another alt that might be preferable i don't think i can port a level 15 out there yeah we're we're still a very dangerous place here yeah as a matter of fact uh the professor and i are still kind of squishy and we need bodyguards it's true it's true i'm a 100 and what am i 120 some 10 levels yeah um yeah i'm one from 124 it's still a bit touch and go yeah so as uh well while we're waiting for everybody um well the if you were talking about like what a director would say to the actor for um for frodo over there and like my immediate thought is i would tell the actor pretend you've aged 10 years in two months right right right because yes so you're thinking i i i kind of weariness right is what you're sort of wanting to capture there you think weariness but also frustration that comes with it and it's keeping in mind this version of frodo unlike most of the versions we have he is much older than the other young hobbits on that one just just enough to make a difference really and right well especially with pippin i mean he's almost twice pippin's age yes exactly yeah and i'm converting trade okay so my first question is can we get from framsburg to the other side i didn't see any bridges i believe so i mean i reckon we can jump positive would we have to go down and cross over that dwarf bridge no no yeah if you want to get to lindelby we have to go down the greenway below the word fromsburg there's two ways to go there and one of them is scarier than the other okay so we have to cross the river over the uh old dwarf brit the newish oldish dwarf bridge down here right to the to the upper right of the word framsburg on the map and then conti and then and then bang a right and head down towards the river down there honestly the place where we're headed is due west of thoughtfust that's what i thought let's let's let's could we probably get to thoughtful from here can we yeah could you accept the right invite by the way we are here for your protection oh yeah sorry i forgot i'm not some goober saying help me with my quest perfect okay there we go all right breakfast sorry i gotta organize everything now hang on okay sorry oh okay and make sure they got some moose attacking people down here no i need something there let's put green stand over there i think we're ready to go everybody left without me but the other the other thing i thought about frodo is uh the way he was sort of berating the others and taking it too lightly i was immediately thinking of like this was tolkien through the lens of of um retrospect looking at young boys getting excited about signing up for the war going oh this is this be a jolly john this will you know we're gonna save the little countries and be everyone's big hero honor and glory it'll all be over by christmas it's like you felt like that was still very much the attitude and he was sort of watching with horror right i can are you guys i guess follow me i don't know where i'm going where is it you can put the cheesy poof on me and i can lead the way you didn't hang on you didn't uh you didn't stablemaster down to thoughtfish well i did it's just i was trying to organize the raid when everyone took off so i don't know where everyone is i got a trail of ducklings following me and i don't know what i'm doing okay let's uh let's see okay yeah you just keep coming down the road we're not too far south okay i'm going south okay all right yeah i hard to manage things on horseback i have a tendency to stop so i don't die okay there's no fun in that well i'll be able to do it in a region as long as i don't fall off any cliffs but uh not the best spot for it out here oh look it's a red circle so that's and that's easy enough well it's good that we know where that is oh look there's a camp down there it's full of bad guys oh okay yeah it's never a nice cat it's a goblin camp i think we encountered that one last time well um this direct this direct route whoa okay that was deliberate oh that was deliberate oh yeah um okay they're all they're all lemminging off the clip there well that wasn't plan a but i think we can get down over here can we yeah this little green patch yeah right here yep and you jumped a little high okay there we go all right so we can head down um i don't think i need to explore that campus it's oh yeah yes i do no it's just rock i thought there was something interesting there but and there's nothing okay that's just a couple bad guys and bats trying to kill us all and okay looking for a way down uh willows that must be a good sign okay here we are into the water here we are at the water and you want to swim a little bit north okay i'm still not even the swimming stage i'm still amused by the the the blue effect i get on my weapon when i'm near works that is one of the cooler things they added to the game that was a cool present i like that one i can't get on my horse i'm under attack [Music] okay i'm in the river proper now there's right there's that dwarf bridge the broken down dwarf bridge so we head north up here um we're still missing some people yeah just a bit of us did we go swimming like what happened there yeah just just head to the river and swim go straight go straight west yep okay having a bad luck tonight patrick you don't like it this will all end in tears right so if you get to the river and then then just head north up you'll see the the little narrowing with the with the willow trees just north of it come out on the on the shore on to the west yeah all right cheesy poof's on carissa right now so we can be a lantern to our that is yeah that's the tip of the fram's burger yeah you can see it up above there all right you want to go up here on the shoulder whoa that looks really impressive boy that's just like an utterly unassailable fortress it has zero points of articulation i can see why fram was interested all right so from here we've still got to head south of ways here don't we okay so we're going to go up this path up here yep follow the bouncing cape we'll go up this little path yeah there's no further danger oh it's nice to know well there's danger but there's not really danger it's only dangerous danger to other people right so we can this way we're only going to be facing a little of the peril is what you're saying well you'll see when we get there what i'm referring to moderate to power double back over this way i'm just going to follow this path oh it's so misty i love the mist big fan of the mist yeah scenario is the gentleman responsible for most of the world building in this area nice okay cupboard okay oh boy we're going nowhere near where i thought we were going i guess this is a just a narrow path narrow pass here over this part of the mountain it's like trying to find rivendell again good thing you're not a chicken this time yeah though um much harder to lose this path once you uh find it uh yeah yeah i like the guard rails made of rock on either side yeah exactly we smoked a compliant up here yes a little bit easier certainly not built by elves uh there's a little path down here which is i'm ignoring there's nothing down there yeah well it's i suspected that it's one of the reasons why i was ignoring it careful with the turn up here to it's a hairpin all right definitely not want to get reading off on a worst deed just saying yeah no no no no this is not towards deed driving no compliant no okay so we're along the river now we've come back out on the river that seems fine oh it's cloudy and gray it looks like wheels where the and fluff am i night time again it's wow it's like a solid wall that's part of the point here i'm all i've all fallen behind here because i keep stopping to look around we are way above the river now oh yeah this really does look like a dead end then we cut inwards here right yeah okay things are not always what they seem in this place all right and if you play with the sound off i might recommend uh listening to the music because bill champagne wrote a banger for what we're about to see okay oh we're going down oh this time the main pass here and a misty valley opens before us mist feels like it's following us let's see yeah this looks like a good place for a scenic overlook ooh oh i'm seeing something oh my what a little village on the hill oh my look around see if i see anything else oh man no way those are hobbit holes oh man okay oh my god i tried to avoid spoilers i really did it was so cool to see this this is why don't spoil it's the discovery wonder i had no idea that this was coming because we already found the um but you can you can tell from the bridge right away look at that and the lanterns at head height and the lanterns exactly perfect for ah big eagle the three arch bridge just like the brandywine bridge oh i swear eagles always take me by surprise they're so big and that you don't see them until you're like right on them really that's how the game renders it well well done those cars wow if it wasn't intentional it's a good trick yeah look at the as you say head high has high lanterns just great for banging your head on after a pub run stone walls now let's see if we can see any differences here so we've got huh like that still feels very similar to our uh to our our human friends i'm trying to figure out if there's any like differences in the hobbit holes here and the only the it's hard because i think the primary differences are that like these were designed when the graphics were a little bit better but you can find other differences as well i mean like that door is really cool but i think it's just kind of yeah better detail uh in a lot of ways definitely hard work these are made out of stone when many of the hobbit holes like the front you know of the hobbit holes um in the shires i recall more of them look kind of like um the um like the brie houses like rather than being built stone like this well it it reminds me a lot of like a lot of the stone little stone huts you see in ireland that they were they built that out of just simply because when they were digging up things to make walls and farms there was hundreds and hundreds of rocks under the ground right so they were exactly readily available exactly yeah we have um we have this that's why there's little ancient stone walls all over new england here where i live yeah okay we got a little party stage it's got bunting something's happening yeah this is lovely little flower garden here next to the door and beer barrels yeah good morning the cat is killing all the chickens my cat is killing all the chickens you can kill chickens here yes that's horrific anyway those chickens oops okay no no he's destroying their livelihood well the shoe is fine kill the shrew there we go hey there's a milestone here um oh yeah yeah let's get that yeah yeah let's definitely get that because we're going to want to come back here and continue looking and we're not going to we're not going to be able to explore the whole thing here at this time so this is better than flip sailed anyway turn your cat off i can't i'm in a non-right-clicking zone again let me see if i can no no won't do it okay that's right um it's fine yeah i'm sure you could pay for those chickens the locals by the way are hiding it's part of the quest line is when you do the quest naturally eventually they will come out and you'll greet them they're shy of strangers are they they are i wonder why i was gonna say is it like they're afraid you know you're gonna come and with like feral animals who will destroy all their livestock and rightly so you know the occasional orc or goblin from up north you know hey gazebo oh what a lovely vegetable garden oh yeah wow let's see onions that is so cool all right well let us i want to see because it looks like there's an eagle irie or something up here too so i want to i want to continue seeing what we can see and what conclusions we can draw about these hobbits because this is fascinating that there should be a hobbit i was not expecting this at all yes i'm just glad that the uh i'm just glad that the ring wraiths didn't find and destroy this place oh yeah because they were hunting well on the bridge the eagle right is which was you're explaining why they're they didn't find and destroy it yeah well this village is under their protection yes all right that is awesome so we will um we will return uh and um explore further explore hobbit gondolin next time i suppose very cool all right so we'll we'll um okay and then that's it this is the last area here so after this we will head up to the elder slade uh and because this is a smallish area and then this way we can finish that we can get a little more of the a little more of closure up here in the north and then we can probably head back to iregan after that yeah so all right cool well i am definitely interested in looking at the gondolin of the hobbits uh next time and i won't uh i won't bring my cat to kill all the chickens next time so that'll be a little bit easier all right excellent i can't take you anywhere i know right okay cool well i'm i'm i am keen to i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to spoil the wonder with haste so so let us uh uh let us finish looking at lindelby next time and then we'll be ready to head on to the elder slate after that thanks everybody uh for joining us in our discovery of the little hidden kingdom of the halflings here uh uh quite unexpected uh and i am fascinated to see what we can learn from observing um what the what the story is of these folks so thanks for joining us everybody and we'll see you guys next week bye now bye [Music] you

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