Exploring The Anatomy Of The Spirit

we're going to talk about Anatomy tonight but not the anatomy of your body we're going to talk about the anatomy of your spirit and that happens to be the name of the book that this wonderful author has written that we're going to discuss this evening her name is Carolyn mace and she has written a book called an anatomy of the Spirit she is a PhD doctor but she keeps correcting me when I call her dr. mace so I'm gonna say welcome Carol Thank You Curie Carolyn tell us a little bit about your background um there was an interesting description of you they said that you were a medical intuitive what is that me but I started out normal when you start out normal I am a medical intuitive Karina what that means is I have an ability to evaluate a person's energy and in terms of their physical body as well as their energetic body and determine how healthy they are or if they are developing an illness and if so what it is and this is an ability that sort of came on me suddenly I mean I my background was that I was a journalist and then I became a theologian and I'm grateful for that because I think it gave me a substantial academic background as well as a reference point for this type of skill but when this ability surfaced it was when I was a publisher I published books and I don't think I would have done anything about it had it not been for the fact that I met a brain surgeon from Harvard by the name of norm Seeley who had an interest in studying people who were medical medically intuitive so when he found out that I had that ability he said well how good are you and I said you know I don't really know and then I was thinking to myself privately and I actually don't care because I don't want to do this and he said well I'll call you sometime and so he went back to his clinic in Springfield Missouri and I was living at the time in New Hampshire and he phoned about a month later and he asked me if I would evaluate a patient and I'd never done anything like this at a distance up until this time I would do people locally uh but never long-distance and certainly not with a physician and he said all right what kind of information do you need and I said you know I don't know and he said what let's start with a name and an age and let's see what happens so he did that he gave me the name in the age of this patient and right after that I began to perceive information that I then translated into what I felt was happening in this person's body as the years went by and I continued to work with him my perception became more and more accurate edie as did the range of what I could perceive in the beginning it was whether or not you were healthy and if you weren't healthy what kind of illness did you have and I wasn't very sophisticated at it I could pick up cancer I could pick up the major-league disorders but you have to remember that my capacity to pick up an illness matched the vocabulary in my head right if I if I didn't know that the disease Crohn's existed I couldn't find it and which is a year you don't have any medical background no I have no medical background none whatsoever so I think that that was part of the blessing in meeting norm Schiele and in working and what I consider to be my intuitive residency with him for six and a half years now do you you walk around the street and can you just see people on the street and pick up what's wrong with him does that happen to you Oh a lot sure but you have to remember that I'm not interested in doing that so you know I mean I'm asked that question continually and I think that a lot of people assume that people with intuitive abilities are like voyeurs if you will always scanning the horizon but I I have no interest in doing that any more than a singer walks down the street singing so we don't have to worry that you know something terrible about us that you're not no not telling goodnight in fact you know I love this story I was doing a workshop one time in an way back in the 1980s when I used to do workshops that were on a smaller scale than I do today they've made 40 56 to people in those days I would do readings on every single person in the workshop and I did a reading on this one person I couldn't find anything wrong with it I said to her I got a clean bill to which she did this she said oh and I said what are you disappointed you're you're healthy but she was so desperate to be impressed you know and so I don't do readings anymore I'm very glad to be able to announce that no people can't call you up who are watching the show and say I want you to know you take a look at me no no it's not possible anymore I when I started to get as many as 800 requests per month I realized I just can't do this you know I I just can't I was spending all of my time on the phone explaining to people why I couldn't fit them in and for another seven to ten months and that wasn't fair to their health all right what if they were in serious trouble and decided I'm not going to go see anybody because I'm going to have an appointment with Carolyn eight months from now and by the time that happens their cancer had spread all over the place you see I'd simply can't do it anymore so you were forced to write a book like this well I would say for us I just thought it was the best way to go because I'm in the business of educating people I'm a teacher and part of the voice of teaching can take the form of a book and and it felt better for me you know I mean I trained to be a writer I'm reclusive by Nature I can spend hours and hours and hours comfortably trying to explain what it is I do and then how to make it work for you and the book accommodates that as tapes do so I think this is a much better vehicle for me at this stage in my career anyway so what you've really done here is but is teach people how to do it for themselves uh well let's be sure we understand what the it is okay not to be medically intuitive but to be so healing to it right to heal themselves let me be real clear about this what I've taught people how to do what I hope to teach them through that book is how to become aware of their body and their physical Anatomy as well as their energetic Anatomy and in doing that to begin to develop a sensitivity so that they can sense when they're losing power and to recognize that that's the first stage of the body saying hey if you don't reverse this energy current we're going to have a catastrophe in the cell tissue alright this is a very important point mm-hmm that you say that bodies are made of energy correct and that one of the problems that we have in illness or feeling well in general is whether or not we are taking care of our own energy or not yes you know I was at a little talk that you gave and you were talking about how you gave such an interesting example about how God gives us $100 every day yeah I want you to tell that because it made such an impression on me right well you know you there's so many ways to explain things and I like a real earthy grounded presentation and the way and the best way I found to make the point is this if God gave you a budget of a hundred bucks worth of energy a day your job is to learn to become a responsible investor now you can invest that energy in your past which is usual which means if you do invest it in the past there's a real good chance you're investing it in sad memories that you want to keep alive versus investing it in your present time life and if you invest it in your past you're going to get dividends from your history and those types of dividends come from wounds so if you're investing it in a bad memory I've had a traumatic childhood I have a broken heart I have a marriage I can't get over I divorce I can't get over and the only kind of energy that you're going to have come back to you ie dividends is going to be a repeat of that trauma and you're going to reach you're going to see that trauma again and again and every day the way a dividend pays off is every day you'll see something that reminds you of that trauma versus if you were to take that hundred bucks and say you know I think I've invested enough in that period of my life it hasn't paid off the way I wanted it your loss mourn it and continue going then take that money and invest it in something creative today and if you do the same kind of same kind of principle will play out which is you'll see a reminder of that investment every day you'll meet somebody who happens to be interested in the same thing you'll suddenly walk down the street you'll see something that says you know that apply to the idea that I'm working on you'll have a dividend a day so you're supposed to spend the hundred dollars on yourself in the present you're supposed to spend the hundred dollars on the present time on present time be here now as they say even if you want to use the scripture even Jesus said leave the dead alone and get on with your life but so much of our lives have been tainted by so many sad things that's right you know many of the people in this audience so walking around with a broken heart that's right that's absolutely right a disappointed life a broken heart a loss of someone yep that's exactly right how do you get over that so that you can live in the present you know cream I'm not sure that we can get over a lot of those things but what we can do is make living with them more comfortable right and I believe that one of the most healing ex we can do with ourselves is to mourn those experiences give them a fair period of mourning for yourself and then eventually I think inevitably our spiritual and physical biological design if you will automatically tries to shed the grief because it recognizes that past a certain point grief becomes toxin and the body will help you try and release it that point you turn the memory into a companion and recognize okay this situation didn't work out the way I wanted to and now I have to pray to live with that now I have to move to acceptance and to see asking the question why did this happen as it did and to stop telling yourself if I only knew the reason I could get on with my life because guess what there's a real good chance you'll never find out the reason especially if you make the bargain with yourself that says I'm not living anymore until I know why this happened and life will say to you well then we're not playing state you stay where you are we'll stay where you are did you see what I'm saying you have to be able to say to yourself I don't like what happened I wish it hadn't happened but it did and I may never know why and I may never know why but the thing that keeps grief alive the most is actually not the incident but the need to know why it happened that's very interesting mm-hmm or but in other words that keeps the broken heart who can who's to blame or who's it well I need to know why this happened that's just another form of who's to blame or could I have done something different that's right that's just another form of that because by asking could I have done something different you need to know why it happened and then you could evaluate what you did it's all another version of that same question if I only knew why it happened then I know then I would know how I factored into it then I would know who's to blame I would know all those mysteries would be solved and then I could get on with my life but that's not the way life is life does not give us those answers on demand we have to choose to move on and then we may or may not get those answers but ultimately if we choose to move on the pain that we're carrying begins to diminish day by day until you realize it's kind of like daylight savings time in the sense of you know when the when this one the when we reach a solstice point we begin to start moving the other way and you don't realize that we're gaining a minute worth of light per day and all of a sudden you notice so it's it's it's quite the same thing where all of a sudden you're not thinking quite as much about the trauma today as you did yesterday and pretty soon you realize I haven't thought about it all afternoon and then pretty soon you realize at going frankly it's once a month and then pretty soon you realize I'm hardly thinking about it and then you start feeling guilty that and then I go get ya then you go through the guilt phase yeah which is how can I get over something like that it's like how do you wreck you know it's sort of like resurrecting sorrow but you got over it but you said something about giving yourself the time I are you talking that we should set time limits on certain absolutely isn't that sound outrageous I remember hearing the most delicious story about the way certain Native American traditions handle mourning and that's that they'll gather three times to hear your story in the fourth time they turn their back because doesn't help you anymore right and if you heard the story I tell about David paladin no may I choose Troy well there's a lot of people out there who haven't heard destroy this is an app this is a dearly true story a remarkably true story if you will I knew this man sadly for a very brief period of time he was a Navajo Indian and he left his reservation when he was about 14 years old he was alcoholic and he left with a friend that you know and they lied about their age they got into the Merchant Marines and they were you know scooting around the South Pacific and they found another boy who had run away from home only he ran away from Germany so these three kids were paling around with each other David was an artist his Indian name is Chet LaHaye and while he was traveling the South Seas he would sketch what he saw and what he saw were the Japanese preparing for World War two building their bunkers his drawings were eventually turned into the officers in the military and David was drafted and he assumed he would become a artist for the military but in fact because he spoke fluent Navajo he had to go to Europe where they used decoders and he spoke Navajo and of course the Nazis thought it was a code but that they couldn't interpret it he was captured he was sent to Dachau and one of the things isn't that interesting because that was certainly not for soldiers know one of the things that happened is they nailed his feet to the floor made him stand there okay several other things happen quite horrible and then they shipped him back he was scheduled to be sent to the gas chamber and at this point they were putting him on a cattle car to take him someplace and there was a German soldier sticking his gun into the side screaming for him to get going and it turned out that was the kid he'd been travelling with in the South Seas that young man got David out of there and David survived the war obviously and in fact this kid somehow this soldier somehow other manoeuvered haven't got him back to a regular prisoner of war camp four soldiers at one of the camps were liberated David was sent back to the United States where he spent two and a half years and in and out of a coma in a Veterans Hospital when he finally came out of it you can imagine the mess he was in and his legs were useless so he had to wear heavy braces and crutches and he decided to return to his reservation and see his people again and then he was committed to living the rest of his life in a veteran's hospital you have to appreciate they hadn't seen him now for maybe 12 years and he comes back dragging his legs filled with horror stories so they gather together to hear his story and he told them he told them everything that had happened to him and all that he had endured and then they said that they held held counsel to try and figure out how to help him and this is what they did they tied a rope around his waist and they pulled the braces off of his legs and they threw him into very deep water and they said David swim or drown because no one can live without a spirit call your spirit back and if you can't do that we have to let you go well david said he had to decide in that water whether or not to die or to forgive and in order to forgive he had to give up knowing why it happened to him and he had to walk through every one of those memories including seeing the face the spirit if you will of this one not see who would shove maggots and chicken gizzards down his throat and he looked at that image and he said even you I forgive and then the image spoke to him and said Chet LaHaye I was trying to keep you alive it was the only food I had all the time there was yet a different reason after that David got his legs back he became a Christian minister a Navajo medicine man and an extraordinary artist and I'm sorry to say he passed on in 1986 but there's a book about him out called painting the dream hmm so the point of this story is that we have - his family gave him a limited time to heal regardless of how horrific live or drown live or drown you can't keep needing to know why things happen as they do he had to give that up he had to give that up and they gave him one shot you talk about in your book you talk about people who indulge in something called wound ology mm-hmm where they keep up the story you know odd benign them but with people and groups and that's nothing that's right I think that what I recognized was that when the psychological era began in the 1960s we developed a whole new vocabulary a vocabulary of internal intimacy as opposed to external prior to the 1960s it would be considered intimate to talk about how much money you made or what's a very intimate write or what stocks you invested in now people are begging for you to ask that kind of question that's the least thing that's considered intimate now what we've learned through sand by the way in the same in the same vein in those days if you were seeing a therapist you'd keep that in the closet okay that was a method it's great that was a disgrace now we have reversed it so that now if you don't have a therapist you're not vogue alright and in having a therapist you we what we've done is we've crossed a couple of wires in that spirituality and therapy have somehow either become a little bit of the same thing and what we've also done is formed a new level of intimacy because in this journey of discovering ourselves we need to talk about it in the first place you go is when you pursue what about me where do I fit into my life you're going to start with evaluating your life from where you've been hurt and for the first time in our culture we now have given ourselves permission to talk about that so now we talk about it and we reach out with each other and we begin discussing where we've been hurt we discover not only does that feel real good but we could get a lot of mileage out of it because if someone said to you well why haven't you gone on with your life why haven't you become the wonderful artist you wanted to or why haven't you done whatever you could say I was so traumatized and everyone says oh my god I understand and much more significantly they'll look at you and say and it wasn't your fault so imagine being in a position to not have to push yourself anymore and to have it acknowledge that it wasn't your fault that feels real good Kareem now am i saying that people don't need support through healing absolutely not they do all the support they can get but at some point your body is done draining the wound and if you have become addicted to the power wound ology gives you speaking wound fluently that is as strong an addiction in my opinion as pills or drugs are and I have met so many people who will openly admit I remember meeting one person for example who said that she expects her friends to recognize her wounds and if they don't honor her wounds I said what does that mean she said if I call you up and say I'm having a flashback this she expects them to drop what they're doing and get over to her place and she considers any buddies saying no a breach of friendship now why would you give up that kind of power you see what I'm saying but you don't get on with your life of course you did excuse it you it's a very since it's a very strong excuse what about the way in which we meet people and we have conversations you want to get to know somebody and this is the way everybody does it there isn't any exception to this we meet somebody for the first time and the first thing you're going to say is what were you from the next logical thing is well what do you do for a living okay that's interesting you know and then the third thing you're going to say is you're going to ask a personal question because now you're moving more into personal territory right and you might say so you're vegetarian or you into tofu or what's the scoop on you so now that the point is that this information does not make for intimacy okay what if you wanted to begin to form something personal with that person you'd have to figure you'd have to pull something deeper out of your gut so what people use these days is they'll pull out a wound but but it can't be a big wound it's got to be something small because if it's a big wound if you pull out everything at once they're going to say oh I'm out of here right right so they could do something small so you'll say something like this you'll say you know days like this they remind me of my childhood and I never got enough chocolate milk and you look like you're interested but if you want to bond with this person you don't think okay give me a milk size wound nothing too big and out of your mouth will come you never got chocolate milk I never got vanilla ice cream and then boom the wound language begins and what happens is you become wound mates now if this happens between a couple who can potentially be romantically in attracted to each other then what you've just said is the basis of this relationship is the intimacy of our wounds and if that happens why would you be interested in healing if it meant potentially if I heal before my wound mate what if he doesn't want to come with me I've just lost the relationship so now you have a lot invested in fact you've invested your entire relationship I'm staying wounded together not healthy but wounded and you'll start going to healing seminars as a sort of a unified healing attempt but the fact is you'll find some way to keep it at a distance to find fault with the healing offered you because you know unconsciously if not consciously that if you don't heal at exactly the same pace there's a real good chance that in fact if you do heal your need for each other will no longer be there so you continue to be a workshop junkie you be continued to be a wound junkie as well as a workshop healing junkie a healing junkie right because you found a lot of benefits in being wounded but again I want to emphasize that genuine healing does require a period of therapy it does require what I call the witness phase where where you have the support of friends and a group but at some point you've got to recognize I've gotten all the support I can the only thing that can heal me now is me getting on with my life and it's making a decision yeah the decision to get on with you're going to put it behind you yeah and to let it saving up hope it's not giving up hope giving up hope of ever finding out why it's giving up the need to know why things happen as they do and to stop looking backwards in your life and investing back to that a hundred dollars investing your energy in yourself and in your tomorrow and into building a healthy tomorrow instead of keeping a sad yesterday alive Carolyn you talk a great deal in your book about self-esteem as a matter of fact you have one very wonderful long chapter called personal power yes and I'd like you to tell us a little bit about self-esteem how do we get self-esteem well you know the first point I'd like to make is nobody's born with it right nobody is born feeling good about themselves to the best of my observation I think that that is what I would call your family's duty or obligation to you is to teach you to love and respect yourself as well as everybody else around you but self esteem I became interested in it when I started to teach workshops on intuition because I never realized what how strong the connection was between self-esteem and intuition when people would say to me what do I need to develop to become intuitive I started out by thinking I had to come up with some kind of meditation some kind of diet something you know psychic cat food anything mine then I recognized that in fact they were so intuitive it was driving them nuts that in fact everybody is but the the drawback was that they didn't have enough self-esteem to follow their intuitive hunches they didn't have enough regard for themselves enough sense of their own strength to follow what their gut instinct was saying to them now how do you get that obviously Kareem this is not a product that can be bought this is not really a product that I don't believe that you can get self-esteem by meditation I think meditation can help you perhaps get in contact with the courage you need to actually make changes that reflect your faith in yourself theory does not heal action does so where do you start most of us have been told from the time we was small don't be selfish think of other people mm-hmm and the very last thing we think about is ourselves that's very often the case that's exactly right and in order to develop self-esteem you are going to go through a phase and a very necessary phase of becoming narcissistic right you have to do that as outrageous that as that sounds because when you decide I've got to develop a sense of myself I've got to develop a sense of courage you're going to find some way to suddenly start acting differently than the people who know you know about you I mean you're to become self-indulgent that's one way to get soft you can you can take self-indulgence as a route you can become obsessed by exercise you can become obsessed with be suddenly deciding to live your life differently you can decide I need to go back to school you can beat there are many many things that qualify by what I'd call the group mind as being self-indulgent anything that takes you out of the role of the server to the group will be looked upon as self-indulgent right had a girlfriend who said to me one time that she decided to take care of herself she threw all her underwear out and she went to a department store and she bought very luxurious underwear delicious she said everybody everybody saw the good things that I had on the outside if they ever saw it my underwear look like they would be shocked and that was her pretty good by conservative things on the outside no she meant that she looked very good on the outside but she had two Underpants that had holes in them you know all right yeah ratty look like rocks and things that we all have in our drawers that we're saving this is a God knows why yet right yeah and that was that was one way she I thought it was kind of crazy but no you understand Kareem you touch a very significant point I mean you don't realize how significant and that's the illusion that in order to change something about ourselves we have to do something big right we don't in fact it's this you don't realize that let me say this different let me go about this it through a different door we are very accustomed to thinking that we have only five senses sight sound etc and that that which exists that we cannot see is therefore not real and from our five senses we've developed a scale of what's powerful and what's not back to the subject of power and we've decided that the bigger something is the more powerful it is the smaller it is it has no power whatsoever and if it's subtle throw it out that doesn't count at all so when you say to somebody oh yeah well the most a powerful thing you can do is something small that you can hardly see and you know why it doesn't scare you what's the significance of that you won't sabotage the change you'll let it happen I remember this incredible story of this man who was ridiculously wealthy one of those gargantuan multimillionaires now his 40th birthday comes around they thought to himself what could he give himself for his 40th birthday was there was essentially nothing he needed but he looked at himself in the mirror and he realized that he'd fallen apart at the seams while he had acquired everything he needed he hadn't cared for himself so for a 40th birthday present he decided to take up jogging and and his first experience with jogging he could barely go three blocks because he was so ridiculously out of shape and he smoked so by 8 p.m. that night he gave up smoking because if he decided if he figured rather than if he was going to keep his promise to himself that he wasn't was going to jog he had to keep quit smoking right now this all started from this very tiny choice allegedly tiny choice of running well the next thing you know he begins to get in shape and as he got more and more in shape he became more and more conscious of guess what his nutrition so the next thing you know he's becoming a health fanatic and by the time he finished this transition which began with just I think I'm going to start running he had become a health entrepreneur and a leader in the holistic health field if someone had said to him you know what you're going to do you're going to leave behind this incredible corporate powerhouse you have and why don't you just jump right into that job as a health entrepreneur and sponsoring all of these health programs he would have left at you and he will walked out of the room thinking you were one of God's original fools but because it came in so softly he never saw though the huge world that was attached to this but you know one of the things you say that in order to get self-esteem that there are stages of it and the first thing is revolution so with that is revolution that was his revolution it was exactly his revolution and when most people decide I've got to get to know myself I've got to they have to reveille Kate they stage a revolution against what doesn't work anymore generally long before they know what will work so the first stage is you say to revolt saying I can't take this anymore no matter what this is now that's a very powerful stage of birthing self-esteem because the eye that screams no more is very different than the eye that says I'm warning you when you actually get past the warning stage you're birthing a whole difference and you get into the action stage you're birthing a whole different kind of self so now you've engaged in your revolution whatever it is so the revolution could be something big it could be I'm leaving this man absolutely it can mean a divorce I don't want this job that's right and I don't I will not wait on my kids and that's right it can be any of that I will no longer go to church go to church right it can be any of that I will no longer support this type of organization or whatever it is the size I emphasize again and again the illusion is that what you need to do has to be big your biggest obstacle to change is believing that you do something small it is the symbolic act of changing that has the power it's the willingness to make the change that carries the power of birthing self-esteem not the size of the change you made did that make sense it does you're one of the things that fascinates me about these changes sometimes it takes the slightest trigger yeah you know you've put up with something for years and one day you know somebody looks at you cross-eyed you said I'm never going to see him again like some small trigger sometimes start this revolution that's right absolutely and you think it started it's sort of like that how did that expression go when I saw this one entertain this one reporter interviewing an entertainer recently who had become very successful and and he said to this entertainer how long did it take you to become an overnight success he said twenty years okay but it's the same sort of thing you accumulate and accumulate your data and when you change it is the proverbial straw that breaks breaks the camel's back but you've already built your camel you acquired the camel shall we say so it it is always the smallest thing because that's you just can't take it the narcissism mmm is then very important because once you have gotten rid of whatever that you have rebelled against you have to take care of yourself now because you're a worthy person well you know the first thing after after the Revolution the next natural stage is involution before before the narcissistic before you enter narcissism sysm you got to figure out now that I know what I don't want to deal with anymore what do I want to deal with so you have to go into a stage of self-discovery involution you know if all right if I don't want to be this kind of religion what do I want if I don't want to be with that kind of person Who am I and what do I need now you will go through a necessary phase of of involution and let's say you decide I want to wear my hair this way I want to be a zany redhead I want to get the most outrageous clothes I have ever seen I want to become a totally liberated person now let's say you came from a very conservative family and now you're shopping at a leather goods store and you're buying all kinds of fun z1z clothes right you get all dressed up and you walk in and you announce hi and your family rolls over into a dead faint and screams you get that off what's become of you if you don't think you need to be narcissistic to withstand that type of onslaught think again you need every ounce of narcissism you need to grit your teeth and say and recognize that your family is trying to say you're changing you come back here if you change too fast you won't be one of us but they don't speak that way they speak in aggressive criticism and in order to withstand that two things help one becoming ridiculously narcissistic and equally compassionate towards up towards your family to your family and recognizing that their criticism is actually a form of saying oh my god we're going to miss you yeah you're not like us anymore because what you're essentially saying is look how much I've changed I'm nothing like you aren't you glad I certainly am you know what do you think they're going to do look at you and say thank God you've got that alive we're still here but you're on the road no they're gonna see you come back here as relaxed company right there cuz I don't know love likes company Korea it's more like you you're one of us you've liked the same things we've liked all this time and now you're saying you want to pursue a different level of yourself think of it this way we start off as toilet water then we become perfume and then we become I mean then we become Cologne and then we become perfume and when you emerge into the Cologne State you no longer have hang out with toilet water it just doesn't fit and the toilet waters going to miss you all right it's not misery loves company it's just the natural stage of evolution so after after the narcissistic stage then you don't need that kind of tough defensive ego then you enter the fourth stage which is evolution you simply grow this trigger something that happens do you think this comes from God is it all tuition what what what I'll intuition nothing comes from intuition right and that's in that sense don't do the trigger points come from God absolutely absolutely and intuition is your form of recognizing I've just had a hit I'm getting information intuition is the means through which you recognize you've just gotten a message but a lot of people feel that intuition means that you've got to know what's happening in the future that's right they have a total misconception of what intuition is like they know what kind of stocks they're going to buy do I have an intuition about what's going to go up they think it's a crystal ball capacity to see the future and you know why they want it so that they have a guarantee that they can make choices in which they will not lose a cent of money and they'll end up at in a romantic relationship and a ridiculously active sexual connection at the end of the choices I make but that's not intuition at all that is not it at all that's intuition is that sense that says I need to pray more deeply I need to find time for myself this isn't the way I want to create anymore this is the way I want to create it's a deeper sense about oneself it's you know what in deep deeply spiritual intuition is to healing how do I want to say that when I talk about wound ology I put it in the same category as Street psychics okay people who suck you in and tell you and anyway Carine you don't go to a psychic because your life is working and you feel good now how bright do you have to be to recognize if I'm playing the role of the street psychic and somebody sitting opposite me I only have a few possibilities you're either not feeling well or you're looking for a mate or you're wondering where your money is that's it that's what else is there else get out of thinking about think it takes a psychic to do something like that it takes it I won't say it okay it takes them so a clear intuitive and clear intuition comes from a very different level a very different level let me compare this that the kind of street psychic I'm talking about would be like eating junk fried food all of your life versus organically grown healthy consciously prepared beautiful meals got it and in order to get to that clear level of intuition you don't get there through oming and eyeing and shoving incense up your nose you get there by becoming a very by filling in your self esteem by beginning to realize that here's what is true you won't become clearly intuitive if you don't have the capacity or the courage to follow your small intuitive hits if you can't follow that you sure aren't going to get a big one how do you know when it's truly intuition and not wishful thinking or not you know am a self of themself yeah well you know what because intuition makes you feel uncomfortable fantasy doesn't oh wow now you're back I got again intuition makes you feel uncomfortable fantasy doesn't you know I should think if you got this idea and you felt very uncomfortable that would be a signal from the body that says don't do that no no it's not that kind of discomfort okay it's that kind of funky feeling that's a scary feeling it's just it can be scary it can be uncomfortable just like when it comes in its positive form you meet somebody and you think i I've got to get to know that person you don't know why but you just have this strong feeling that actually comes it's trans selfish right its trans that feeling of private agenda and somehow or other with clear intuition comes a package of courage that you don't get with fantasy so when you get this trigger this little thing that makes you want to change and take care of yourself and honor your own self mm-hmm you get the strength to do it that's right you actually do and you know what this package of strength that you get is like a little battery that gets plugged into your your solar plexus gets plugged into your gut and it begins to boom boom boom boom throb constantly well it's relentless and it gets louder at night you can count on it intuition becomes absolutely obnoxious at night all right until you start doing something about it and when you start following it then you begin to experience the phenomenon of synchronicity whereas if it's a manufactured fantasy you don't get that kind of help you absolutely don't get that kind of help you get closed doors yeah you get closed doors or yeah you get that you know and and I think aside from this very small percentage of people in our culture who literally qualify for the term psychopath or sociopath or schizophrenic who manufacture voices if you will and our absolutely convinced they're real you have to go some to fool your own gut instincts you know it's not that easy to do so in something if you've done something wrong and your whole system knows it try to silence that voice it will not leave you alone right no you keep breweries around it that's right all right it's that kind of voice intuition has that kind of authority shall we say fantasy doesn't and the way it's going to be manifested in your life the most and most effective way is to keep in the present in other words you don't get an intuition about your entire life you get intuition about what to do right now that's right that's absolutely right now think of how many times let's tie this to healing think of how many times people are reminded I certainly see this because I work with people like this all the time that people are reminded to forgive and let go you know when people are holding on to grudges or can't let's can't think kindly of somebody think of how many times you're reminded will you get on with it and let this go if you really paid attention it would be all the time every time you turn on this TV yet here you observe a talk show where people were talking about it or it would be everywhere let's imagine that you you just didn't do something about that all of your wonderful energy for your life would be going backwards into this area and you would not have any energy to run you're here and now now what intuition generally does is it's a form of guidance for tomorrow and for today to make the right choices today so that your tomorrow plays out the way it should now if you're investing all your money in keeping tomorrow alive and you need at least 50 bucks for tomorrow's choice and all you've got is 50 cents you can't get it clear intuitive hit because you're unable to act on it you enter fog you enter chaos and it's a healing chaos it's a protective chaos because you're not able to move forward any way until you let go of the past so all your intuition will be telling you is let go of the past because without doing that I cannot give you a clear choice about tomorrow because you don't have the energy nor the focus to act on it so when when you're praying and praying and praying and praying and nothing happens it's because it's just not time hold it what do you mean by nothing you have nothing is being resolved that you're praying about ah ha ha the prayers are always answered but you just don't like the way they come okay so when you're praying about come on god help me get on with your life the way that prayer is often answered is alright I'll make you so miserable about your past that you finally decide you have to render let go that's how you're going to get that prayer answered you're not going to give it get that prayer answered by a sudden apparition by a therapeutically skilled angel who says I've come to explain why those bad terrible things have happened to you and then I'm going to offer you three possible futures and you get to pick any one you want oh it's reminiscent rub this little yeah come on we'd all love that but hey that's not what goes on on this planet but goes on is that sometimes prayers are answered to give us more pain no no no no Kareem all not sometimes prayers are answer all times prayers are answered and sometimes that answer takes us into more pain in order to heal you know at the very end of it the guidance the intuition is coming from a very high source that's right it's coming from our Creator by whatever name that you would like him to call this force is this creator really interested in us does it really watch over us what a rich question I'm going to take the position years ago years ago well not that long but Jesse recently you know when I was younger I had us the more of a notion that that God believed it took that was more distant shall we say more impersonal now I think that every single thing we do every single thing we say everything Kareem is noted noted and everything that there isn't that you come home one night and you fix yourself a cup of tea you put your feet back and you just go into a you start reading a book that when the time comes for you to go through your life review after you after we die you're going to see that moment and you're going to see the quality of thought you released into the universe during that very quiet moment if it was a if it was a thought of gratitude for thank you God for this great day or if it was a negative thought that says it starts complaining you're held responsible for that I deeply believe this or you're rewarded for it and again and again and again I see more proof by virtue of coincidences or or near-death experiences that tell me that this is probably so so we can trust these intuitive feelings absolutely directions you can trust these things one every prayer is heard the answer may not come in the way you want it generally doesn't so don't look don't expect the answer to come through the window you're praying through God doesn't knows its own business right yeah - generally prayer takes just let it go just decide look you heard me and that's it and then keep praying God give me faith God give me faith and three when you get an intuitive hunch and usually intuitive hunches will direct you to take the most outrageous path in your life take it take the risk take the risk well I'll tell you it's no risk for anyone to read your wonderful book that was anatomy of the Spirit thank you only touched the very smallest part of it so brilliant thank you korean thank you so can it is wonderful and it's such a pleasure to have you on the show thank you like I always tell you we give you only miracles around here when we bring you dr. Carolyn mace and her wonderful book anatomy of the Spirit so keep looking for us and looking for the miracles in your life and keep coming back you

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Published: Sat Dec 05 2015