>> FATHER PACWA: IF YOU EVER WANTED TO STUDY "THE BIBLE" BUT FELT INTIMIDATED BY THE TEXT NOT KNOWING WHERE TO BEGIN, WE HAVE TIPS TONIGHT. PLUS, WE WILL TALK ABOUT HEALING. HOW DO YOU PRAY FOR IT? WHAT HAPPENS IF THE HEALING DOESN'T HAPPEN THE WAY YOU EXPECTED? PLEASE STAY WITH US. ♪ [APPLAUSE] >> FATHER PACWA: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, WELCOME. IT IS EWTN LIVE WITH GUESTS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. OUR GUEST TONIGHT IS A SCRIPTURE SCHOLAR WHO INSTRUCTS SEMINARIANS ON HOW TO STUDY AND INTERPRET SACRED SCRIPTURE AT SACRED HEART MAJOR SEMINARY IN DETROIT, MICHIGAN. SHE IS AN EDITOR OF THE CATHOLIC COMMENTARY ON SACRED SCRIPTURE SERIES, WHICH AIMS TO SERVE THE MINISTRY OF THE WORD OF GOD IN THE LIFE AND MISSION OF THE CHURCH. SHE WROTE THE COMMENTARY ON THE GOSPEL OF MARK IN THE SERIES. SHE IS A MEMBER OF THE PONTIFICAL BIBLICAL COMMISSION AND AUTHOR OF THE WONDERFUL BOOK HEALING -- BRINGING THE GIFT OF GOD'S MERCY TO THE WORLD. PLEASE WELCOME DOCTOR MARY HEALY. WELCOME. IT IS GOOD TO HAVE YOU IN ALABAMA. WARMER THAT DETROIT. >> INTERVIEW: A LITTLE BIT, I WOULD SAY. >> FATHER PACWA: IT IS PLEASANT. IT IS GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE. >> INTERVIEW: THANKS. >> FATHER PACWA: IT IS A HOPPING PLACE, ISN'T IT? >> INTERVIEW: BEST IN THE GALAXY. >> FATHER PACWA: IT IS ONE OF THE BEST. >> INTERVIEW: I AM PRIVILEGED TO BE THERE. >> FATHER PACWA: THE SEMINARIES IN THE COUNTRY HAVE BEEN IMPROVING. SACRED HEART IS ONE OF THE EXCELLENT ONES. NOTRE DAME AND NEW ORLEANS AND UP IN ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA. >> INTERVIEW: AND IN DENVER. >> FATHER PACWA: THINGS ARE GOING WELL IN ST. LOUIS. THEY ARE FLOURISHING. A NUMBER OF YOUNG MEN CENTERING TO BECOME PRIESTS HAS GONE UP, HASN'T IT? >> INTERVIEW: IT IS RISING. THESE ARE QUALITY GUYS. WHEN YOU MEET THESE GUYS, THEY ARE NOT IN IT FOR A COMFORTABLE LIFE. THEY KNOW IT WILL BE TOUGH. THEY ARE READY TO LAY DOWN THEIR LIVES FOR THE LORD. THEY ARE WONDERFUL GUYS. >> FATHER PACWA: I WAS LOOKING AT A BOOK ON THE LIFE OF SEMINARIES IN THE 1980S AND 1990S. IT WAS A SOCIOLOGIST COMMENTS ON HOW THEY ARE LETTING IN ANYBODY. >> INTERVIEW: THEY ARE CHOOSE SEE. >> FATHER PACWA: IT IS POSITIVE. YOU HAVE PLENTY OF WORK TEACHING TO PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS. >> INTERVIEW: I DO. >> FATHER PACWA: PRIMARILY NEW TESTAMENT? >> INTERVIEW: I DO BOTH. WE ARE SMALL. I ENJOY TEACHING THE OLD TESTAMENT. IT HELPED ME UNDERSTAND MORE DEEPLY THE NEW. >> FATHER PACWA: EXACTLY. THE NEW TESTAMENT QUOTES THE OLD TESTAMENT 360 TIMES OR SO. IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT BACK AND FORTH. I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF COMMENTS, YOURS AND MORE RECENTLY LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS ON SECOND CORINTHIANS. WE HAD THAT IN THE CYCLE OF READING DAILY MATH. IT IS WONDERFUL. IT IS CLEARLY COMING FROM THAT BALANCE THAT POPE BENEDICT SPOKE OF WHERE YOU HAVE A STARTING POINT OF FAITH THAT IS USED BY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE APPROACHING THE SCRIPTURE WITH GOOD ACADEMIC BACKGROUNDS. IT IS ALWAYS THE TENSION. SOME GO TO ACADEMIC AND THE APPROACH. >> INTERVIEW: WE LOOKED HARD TO FIND AUTHORS FOR THE SERIES. WE WERE VERY PARTICULAR. WE WANTED PEAK WITH THE CREDENTIALS AND CONFIDENCE TO WRITE WELL. WE WANTED PEOPLE WITH A LIVING FAITH TO TALK ABOUT JESUS, NOT JUST THEORETICAL. WE WANTED PEOPLE WHO CAN TALK ABOUT NOT ONLY WHAT DID THE AUTHOR MEAN WHEN HE WROTE 2000 YEARS AGO. HOW DOES THAT APPLY TODAY. HOW AM I LIVING OUT THIS SCRIPTURE? >> FATHER PACWA: WHAT I LIKE ABOUT YOUR SERIES, I WANT TO LOOK AT MORE. COMMENTARIES FOR ME ARE NOT SOMETHING YOU JUST RACE THROUGH. WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THEM IS THAT THEY ALSO HELP TO INSPIRE A PRAYER FULL FRUITFULNESS. AS YOU LOOK AT THE COMMENTS, YOU CAN BRING THEM TO YOUR PRAYER. THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT SO THAT THE READER CANNOT ONLY DETECT IF THE SCHOLAR IS PRAYER FULL AND SERIOUS BELIEVER, BUT IT HELPS ONES OWN PRAYER OVER SCRIPTURE. WE NEED TO HAVE THAT PRAYERFULNESS WHEN WE STUDY SCRIPTURE. >> INTERVIEW: OUR GOAL IS READING THE COMMENTS ALONG WITH "THE BIBLE" PASSAGES. IT IS LIKE WALKING ON THE ROAD WITH JESUS. HE EXPLAINED THE SCRIPTURES TO THE DISCIPLES. WERE NOT OUR HEARTS BURNING WITHIN US AS HE TOLD ABOUT HOW HE FULFILLED THE SCRIPTURES. OUR HOPE IS THAT CATHOLICS WILL FALL IN LOVE WITH THE WORD OF GOD AS THEY SEE HOW ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES POINT TO JESUS CHRIST. THE OLD TESTAMENT IS FULFILL UNDERSTAND THE NEW. THE NEW IS LIVED OUT IN OUR LIFE IN CHRIST, AND LEADS US TO PRAYER BECAUSE THE WHILE POINT OF SCRIPTURE IS TO LEAD US TO A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. >> FATHER PACWA: EXACTLY, EXACTLY. THERE ARE THOSE DAYS WHEN PEOPLE SAY THE SCRIPTURE SCHOLARS ARE SAYING THIS AS IF IT IS A CONSENSUS AND THE BASES OF THE FAITH. NO, FAITH IS THE BASIS OF OUR FAITH. >> INTERVIEW: UNFORTUNATELY THERE WAS AN APPROACH TO SCRIPTURE THAT PREVAILED FOR A COUPLE OF GENERATIONS THAT SAID FAITH IS A BIAS. IF WE WANT TO BE OBJECTIVE AND STUDY WHAT THE TEXTS MEAN WE HAVE TO LEAVE THE FAITH AT THE DOOR WHEN WE DO THE BIBLICAL SCHOLARSHIP. THAT WAS A VERY DELIBERATE AND STILL IS A DELIBERATE WAY TO APPROACH SCRIPTURE. AS POPE BENEDICT POINTED OUT WHEN YOU LEAVE FAITH AT THE DOOR YOU DON'T SUBSTITUTE. YOU SUBSTITUTE UNBELIEF. YOU ARE READING THE WORD OF GOD BY WHICH GOD IS ADDRESSING HUMANITY WRITTEN WITHIN THE CHURCH WITH A PRINCIPAL OF UNBELIEF. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ACCURATELY UNDERSTAND IT. UNBELIEF THE BIAS. >> FATHER PACWA: IF YOU WANT TO USE THE WORD BUYS, AND I THINK IT IS A GOOD APPROACH. BOTH FAITH AND LACK OF FAITH WERE THE PRETENDING TO BE OBJECTIVE AND ABOVE FAITH. IT IS PRETENDING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE FAITH. IN FACT, THEY HAVE FAITH IN UNBELIEF. BUT THAT BIAS IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU ARE APPROACHING IT. POPE BENEDICT LET US KNOW. HAVING A BIAS OF FAITH AS THE WAY YOU APPROACH THE TEXT PLUS USING THE TOOLS OF SCRIPTURE SCHOLARSHIP IS A GOOD CATHOLIC APPROACH. >> INTERVIEW: ABSOLUTELY. MAYBE A PERSPECTIVE OF FAITH. EVERYBODY HAS A PERSPECTIVE. WE CAN'T NOT HAVE A PERSPECTIVE WHEN WE READ ANYTHING. THE PERSPECTIVE OF FAITH OPENS OUR MINDS TO THE HOLY SPIRIT AND ALLOWS IT TO REVEAL THE REALITIES. IT IS NOT JUST WORDS ABOUT WORDS OR WHAT ST. PAUL MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT 2000 YEARS AGO WHICH MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO HISTORIANS BUT NOT TO BELIEVERS TODAY. THE REALITIES PAUL TALKED ABOUT ARE REALITIES IN OUR LIFE. HE LOVED THE SAME JESUS CHRIST THAT WE KNOW AND LOVE. WHAT HE TEACHES WE NEED TO LIVE BY. >> FATHER PACWA: THAT IS THE APPROACH THAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS SERIES. YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB. MORE COMING OUT? >> INTERVIEW: ONLY A FEW LEFT. I WROTE THE ONE ON HEBREWS WHICH CAME OUT LAST YEAR. THIS FALL IS ROMANS. IT IS EXCELLENT. >> FATHER PACWA: SCOTT HAS DONE A LOT OF ROMANS FOR A LONG TIME. >> INTERVIEW: HE KNOWS IT INSIDE-OUT. LUKE IS THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND GALATIANS. THAT IS GOING TO BE A GREAT VOLUME, TOO. >> FATHER PACWA: YOU CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE CALLED CATHOLIC COMMENTARY ON SACRED SCRIPTURE.COM. WE HAVE IT IN OUR RELIGIOUS CATALOG AS WELL. GOOD BOOK. IN ADDITION TO DOING THIS SCHOLARS ARE NOT ONLY WORK ON THE DETAILED DISCIPLINE ALL SCRIPTURAL LEAD TO JESUS. WE DO OTHER THINGS AS WELL. THEOLOGICAL REFLECTION. YOU HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF THEOLOGICAL REFLECTION ON HEALING AND YOU WROTE THE BOOK ON IT. WHAT IS THE APPROACH YOU TAKE ON THAT? >> INTERVIEW: OF COURSE, IT IS A BIBLICAL APPROACH. >> FATHER PACWA: YOU ARE NOT A MEDICAL DOCTOR, A DOCTOR OF SCRIPTURE. >> INTERVIEW: FIVE YEARS AGO I TOOK A SEMESTER OFF. IT IS TIME FOR MORE FOCUSED RESEARCH. I DECIDED -- I FELT THE HOLY SPIRIT PROMPTING ME THAT HE WANTED ME TO STUDY HEALING AND THE RELATIONSHIP TO EVANGELISM. THE MORE I STUDIED THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES AND THE LIFE OF THE EARLY CHURCH, THE MORE I REALIZED HEALS IS NOT JUST SOMETHING JESUS DID ON THE SIDE TO PROVE HE WAS THE SON OF GOD. HE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE MINISTRY WAS CONSTANTLY HEALING PEOPLE AND FREEING PEOPLE FROM OPPRESSION. HE IS THE MESSIAH TO SAVE SOCIETY AND THE BROKENNESS THAT RESULTS FROM IT. >> FATHER PACWA: TO GIVE HEALING FROM DEATH. >> INTERVIEW: THAT IS THE ULTIMATE. >> FATHER PACWA: IN HEBREWS THAT YOU WORKED ON IT TALKS ABOUT THE FREEDOM FROM FEAR OF DEATH IS ONE OF THE WAYS TO GET RELEASE FROM THE POWER OF SATAN. >> INTERVIEW: ABSOLUTELY. EVERYBODY IS DEEPLY INFLUENCED BY FEARS ON LEVELS WE DON'T EVEN REALIZE. NOT PHYSICAL DEATH ANY DIMINISHMENT OR OPPOSITION OR BEING PUT DOWN OR REJECTED, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE DIMENSIONS OF THE FEAR OF DEATH THAT JESUS CAME TO HEAL. >> FATHER PACWA: HOW MANY TIMES DO WE NOT HAVE PEOPLE AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT THEIR FAITH. PEOPLE MIGHT NOT LIKE ME. SO, WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF. IF YOU ARE AFRAID THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE YOU, THEY DON'T LIKE YOU NOW. DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. THOSE FEARS AND THE FEAR OF DEATH ITSELF. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE HEALED. >> INTERVIEW: AT OUR SEMINARY WE HAVE A FOCUS. WE ARE PARTICULARLY TEACHING OUR STUDENTS NOT ONLY THE BASICS OF SCRIPTURE AND FIELDS OF THEOLOGY, BUT WE FOCUS ON EVANGELIZATION. OF COURSE, IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 2000 YEARS. WE RECOGNIZE THAT WITH THE WORLD IN THE STATE IT IS IN TODAY AND THE VAST NUMBERS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE PERHAPS BAPTIZED CHRISTIAN BUT HAVE NO MORE CONNECTION WITH GOD OR THE CHURCH, THAT WE HAVE TO RE-AWAKEN TO THE CALL. IT IS ONE THING TO TALK ABOUT IT AND ANOTHER THING TO DO IT. THERE AREN'T THAT MANY CATHOLICS COMFORTABLE DOING IT. >> FATHER PACWA: I THINK BACK ON -- YOU ARE YOUNGER THAN I AM -- BACK ON THE LATE 1960S WHEN IN THE FACE OF THE SEXUAL AND DRUG REVOLUTION, TOO MANY PEOPLE, INCLUDING IN THE CHURCH, DIDN'T STARE IT DOWN. DRUGS ARE CATASTROPHIC TODAY. ALL OF THIS. INSTEAD OF STARING IT DOWN AND EVANGELIZING AGAINST IT. THIS COULD BE THE NEW DIRECTION. TOO MANY CATHOLICS ARE AFRAID. PEOPLE WON'T LIKE IT. >> INTERVIEW: NOW WE SEE THE CONSEQUENCES. WE ARE LIVING IN THE SOCIETY SURROUNDED BY THE WALKING WOUNDED. TREMENDOUSLY HURT AND BROKEN BY THE BREAKDOWN OF THE FAMILY, BY PARENTS INVOLVED IN THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, BY NEVER HAVING EXPERIENCED A STABLE LOVING FAMILY LIFE. I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY GOD IS RE-AWAKENING THE CHURCH TO HEALING AS PART OF THE WORK. AS HEALING WAS PART OF JESUS' PROCLAMATION OF GOOD NEWS. HE SPOKE THE GOOD NEWS AND MESSAGE AND DEMONSTRATED IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE COULD EXPERIENCE IT IN THEIR VERY FLESH. HE IS THE MESSIAH, DELIVERER. I HAVE BEEN DELIVERED OR HEALED OF BEING CRIPPLED OR I AM ABLE TO SEE AND I WAS BLIND. >> FATHER PACWA: LEPROSY IN THE TIME OF CHRIST. YOU WERE "THE WALKING DEAD." PHYSICALLY, SOCIALLY, YOU WERE ISOLATED. YOU COULDN'T GO TO THE SYNAGOGUE. IT WAS CONTAGIOUS OVER TIME. FOR CHRIST TO HEAL PEOPLE WHO WERE JUST CONSIDERED WALKING DEAD PEOPLE, NOT ZOMBIE SMITHS BUT REALLY THEY WERE WITH BODIES FALLING OFF. >> INTERVIEW: I LOVE THE STORY OF JESUS' HEALING. YOU SEE THE BOLDNESS OF THE GUY WHO IS ONE OF "THE WALKING DEAD" WHO IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE WITH OTHER PEOPLE, BUT HE COMES TO JESUS. HE MAKES A GAMBLE. HE KNEELS DOWN. LORD, YOU CAN MAKE ME CLEAN. JESUS REPLIES FIRST HE WAS FILLED WITH COMPASSION. AS YOU KNOW THE WORD IN GREEK MEANS HE WAS MOVED AT THE GUT LEVEL. HE EXPERIENCED IT IN HIS HUMAN EMOTIONS A PROFOUND COMPASSION FOR THIS PERSON. THEY HE SAID I DO WILL IT. I DO WILL IT. BE MADE CLEAN. THEN HE REACHED OUT AND CUFFED HIM. THE CROWD GASPED. WHEN YOU TOUCH THE LEPER, YOU BECOME UNCLEAN. IT THE CLEAN TRIUMPHS. HIS HOLINESS IS OVERALL THE UNCLEAN. THAT IS A SYMBOL WHAT HE DOES IN REGARD TO SIN. WE COME FEELING UNCLEAN, UNWORTHY, WHO AM I TO COME NEAR JESUS? I AM CONTAMINATED. PEOPLE HAVE THAT SENSE, I SHOULDN'T APPROACH HIM. HE TOUCHES THE UNCLEAN AND THEY BECOME CLEAN. HE CAN'T BE CONTAMINATED BY ANYBODY. THE GUY IS LOOKING AT HIS SKIN AMAZED AND WEEPING. THE CROWD GOES WOW. >> FATHER PACWA: IT GETS AT GOOD AND EVIL. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ATTEMPTED TO THINK OF EVIL AS BEING A POSITIVE FORCE. IN FACT, IT IS MERELY THE ABSENCE OF ENOUGH GOOD. IT IS NOT A FORCE IN APRIL OF ITSELF IN THE ABSENCE OF GOODNESS. ALCOHOL IS A GOOD. DRUNKENNESS WHERE IT ABUSES THE MIND IS A SIN. SO MANY OTHER THINGS IN LIFE ARE NOT EVIL OF THEMSELVES. IT IS THE INAPPROPRIATE USE OF THEM THAT BECOMES A LACK OF GOOD. AND CHRIST SHOWS AS YOU PUT IT WELL, AS HIS CLEANNESS UNDOES THE LEPROSY AND CONTAMINATION HIS GOODNESS UNDOES THE LACK OF GOODNESS IN US. WE CALL IT EVIL. >> INTERVIEW: THAT IS HIS AMAZING POWER. THE OTHER THING THAT IS BEAUTIFUL ABOUT THE STORY. YOU SEE THAT THE LEPER HAD TO OVERCOME AN OBSTACLE TO RECEIVE THE HEALING AND GRACE FROM JESUS. AS I STUDY I SEE HOW OFTEN THAT IS TRUE. JESUS CAN HEAL ANYTIME HE WANTS. THERE IS NO INDICATION OF FAITH. VERY OFTEN THE PEOPLE RECEIVING THE HEALINGS COME TO HIM WITH FAITH OVERCOMING OBSTACLES, BEING BOLD, PURSUING HIM SOMETIMES HAVING TO BE VERY TENACIOUS AND PERSEVERING. LIKE THE WOMAN WITH THE DAUGHTER WITH THE DEMAND. HE IGNORES HER. I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO STIR UP A DEEPER FAITH IN HER. >> FATHER PACWA: EARLIER IN THE GOSPEL ISRAEL FIRST. LATER THE MISSION TO THE GENTILES. THE COVENANT WITH ISRAEL HAS TO BE DEALT WITH FIRST, AND THEN HE PLANS FOR THE GENTILES. >> INTERVIEW: IN THE DEFINE TIMING IT BEGINS AFTER HIS RESURRECTION. HE SAYS I AM SENT AND IT IS NOT RIGHT TO TAKE THE CHILDREN'S BREAD AND THROW TO THE DOGS. THAT IS A STRONG REFUSAL. THIS LADY WON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER. SHE IS LIKE THE WIDOW THAT JESUS TALKED ABOUT. SHE IS RELENTLESS. LORDS EVEN THE DOGS EAT THE CRUMBS FROM THE TABLE. IT IS LIKE JESUS IS WON OVER AT THAT POINT. WOMAN, GREAT IS YOUR FAITH. GO HOME, IT WILL BE DONE AS YOU ASKED. SHE GETS THE BLESSINGS OF GOD'S PEOPLE AHEAD OF TIME AS AGAIN TILE. >> FATHER PACWA: YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE MIDDLE EAST YOURSELF A NUMBER OF TIMES. ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT THE CULTURE IS THAT IT IS A PER VERBIAL DISCOURSE THAT GOES ON AMONG THE PEOPLE. ARABS AND ISRAELIS ALIKE YOU CAN SPEAK. INSTEAD OF COMING UP WITH LOGIC BY WHICH YOU ARGUE, YOU GIVE ONE PROVERB AND IT IS NOT RIGHT TO TAKE THE BREAD FROM THE CHILDREN THEN YOU CAN COUNTER WITH ANOTHER STATEMENT. BY SHOWING THE WISDOM AND SAY WELL THE PUPPIES GET THE CRUMBS. THAT WISDOM UNDOES. THAT IS TYPICAL. IF YOU KNOW ENOUGH PROVERBS, YOURS CAN TRUMP. IT IS WHAT DISPLAYS HER FAITH. THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT SOCIETY. >> INTERVIEW: SO DIFFERENT FROM OUR DIRECT WAY OF SPEAKING. >> FATHER PACWA: YES, MORE FUN. I ENJOY IT A LOT. SO THIS HEALING COMES WITH NOT ALWAYS A FAITH, THE SERVANT IS NOT THERE. HE GETS HEALED AT A DISTANCE. IN THE CASE OF THE WOMAN PERSISTENT AND KEEPS COMING BACK. IT IS NO ONE WAY THAT PEOPLE GET HEALED. SOMETIMES WITH A WORD. SOMETIMES HE MAKES CLAY OUT OF HIS SPIT. VERY TANGIBLE. HE PUTS THE FINGER ON THE TONGUE. VERY CONCRETE. THE WORD BECOMING FLESH AND DWELLING AMONG US IS LIVED OUT IN THESE HEALING EXPERIENCES. SOMETIMES HE TAKES THE PERSON AWAY. OTHER TIMES TO THE MAN WITH THE WITTERED HANDSTAND IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYBODY. NOT A COOKIE CUTTER APPROACH. HE KNEW WHAT EACH PERSON NEEDED WHICH IS TRUE TODAY. >> FATHER PACWA: ONE EPISODE OF HEALING THAT IS IMPORTANT IS THE LEPROSY HEALING. IT IS BY WORD THAT HE HEALS. HE DOESN'T TOUCH THE 10. >> INTERVIEW: THEY DON'T COME NEAR HIM. >> FATHER PACWA: HE SAYS GO YOUR WAY. AS THEY GO THEIR WAY. THEY DON'T SAY WE ARE HERE. THEY OWE BAY HIS WORD TO GO TO THE PRIEST TO SHOW THEMSELVES THAT THEY ARE HEALS. ALONG THE WAY OF OBEYING HIM, THAT IS WHEN THEY GET HEALED. >> INTERVIEW: THAT IS IMPORTANT. FAITH IS ACTIVE, OBEDIENT, NOT HERE IN YOUR MIND. THEY TAKE STEPS TO THE PRIEST TO OFFER THE SACRIFICE FOR HEALING. >> FATHER PACWA: THEY DON'T HAVE TO SEE THE HEALING BEFORE THEY GET HEALED. >> INTERVIEW: THAT IS HOW GOD DOES IT. >> FATHER PACWA: AN IMPORTANT PART OF UNDERSTANDING THE VARIETY OF HEALING EPISODE. IT IS NOT YOUR JOB TO TELL GOD HOW TO HEAL YOU. DON'T TELL HIM WHAT TO DO. IF YOU NEED THEN YOU TRUST WHAT HAPPENINGS. >> INTERVIEW: ONE OF THE THINGS I FOUND. THERE ARE OBSTACLES TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM RECEIVING THE HEALING GRACE OF THE LORD. AMONG THE VARIOUS OBSTACLES THE ONE MOST PROMINENT IS TO FORGIVE SO YOUR FATHER MAY FORGIVE YOU. THERE IS A WAY WHEN WE HOLD ON TO AN OFFENSE WHEN WE ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT IT ALL OF THE TIME NOT FESTERING IN OUR MIND. IT MIGHT BE FROM 30 YEARS AGO, SOMEBODY CLOSE TO YOU OR NOT CLOSE TO YOU. WE HAVE NEVER REALLY FORGIVEN. THAT IS A BLOCK TO THE HEALING GRACE OF THE LORD. ONCE FROM IS FORGIVENESS AND YOU HAVE LET GO AND PLACED THAT OTHER PERSON IN GOD'S HANDS, IT IS JUST LIKE YOU OPEN THE FLOODGATES. SPIRITUALLY OR PHYSICALLY AS WELL FOR HEALING. >> FATHER PACWA: THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE HEALING PROCESS. CHRIST SAYS YOU CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS BEFORE THAT FORGIVING PEOPLE WITH OFFENSES AGAINST YOU. THE HEALING HAS TO DO WITH AN ACT OF OUR WILL. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU FEEL NO WARM AND CUDDLY. YOU CHOSE TO FORGIVE HIM AND THAT ACT OF THE WILL I LET GO OF THAT HURT. THAT CAN OPEN GOD TO HEALING. >> INTERVIEW: ONE OF THE KEY THINGS OF THE LEPERS, NINE KEPT GOING ON THE WAY. ONE CAME BACK TO THANK JESUS. ONLY ONE HAD THE FULL HEALING. THE FULL HEALS IS ENTERING INTO A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD WHO LOVES YOU. IT IS THE WOMAN WITH THE HEM RAGE. IF I JUST TOUCH THE HEM OF HIS GARMENT I WILL BE HEALED. SHE GETS HEALED AND TRIES TO SNEAK AWAY. JESUS WANTS HER TO HAVE EYE CONTACT, TO BE IN A RELATIONSHIP TO SEE HIM FACE-TO-FACE, TO EXPERIENCE HIS LOVE FOR HER. THAT BRINGS THE FULL HEALING. HE LOOKS WHO TOUCHED ME? THE DISCIPLES SAY EVERYBODY IS TOUCHING YOU. ONLY ONE TOUCHED HIM. SHE IS DISCOVERED AND COMES. HE SAYS GO IN PEACE, YOUR FAITH THAT SAVED YOU. >> FATHER PACWA: I LOVE HOW FATHER MIKE SCANLAN. HE HAD GONE THERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN COME UP TO HOLY COMMUNION, ARE YOU COMING UP LIKE THAT WOMAN TO TOUCH JESUS AND RECEIVE THE HEALING OR BURNING IN LIKE THE CROWD? THAT IS THE CHOICE. EVERYBODY IS GOING THERE, LET'S SORT OF -- SOME PEOPLE TREAT IT LIKE A PARTY FAVOR. ARE YOU GOING TO ENCOUNTER THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST LIKE THAT WOMAN OR ARE YOU JUST BUMPING INTO HIM? THAT WAS FATHER MIKE SCANLAN. I REMEMBER THEY BOTH SPEAKING AT THE PRIEST CONFERENCE MANY YEARS AGO. MIKE WROTE IT DOWN. YOU KNOW, IT IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THAT IT IS THAT ENCOUNTER WITH THE PERSON OF CHRIST. IT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WHEN SOMEBODY COMES UP TO US AND SAYS I HAVE GOT TO GO TO THE DOCTOR, I HAVE THIS PROBLEM, WHATEVER. WOULD YOU PRAY FOR ME? DON'T SAY I WILL REMEMBER. PRAY THEN AND THERE. WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS YOU FOR PRAYER. LET'S STOP. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T. IF YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF CROSSING TRAFFIC, GET TO THE SIDEWALK. IF YOU CAN, PRAY RIGHT THEN AND THERE WITH THE PERSON. LIKE CHRIST, TALK MAYBE PUT YOUR HAND ON THEM. PRAY FOR THEM THEN AND THERE. >> INTERVIEW: ABSOLUTELY. YOU ARE SO RIGHT. IF ALL CATHOLICS AND CHRISTIANS DO THAT IT WOULD BE REVOLUTIONARY. YOU ARE BRINGING THEM TO AN ENCOUNTER WITH JESUS IN THE GROCERY STORE THE CASHIER OR OFFICER IT IS TO PRAY WITH SOMEBODY IS TO ALLOW HEAVY OPENED OVER YOU AND THEM. THAT IS A WONDERFUL THING. >> FATHER PACWA: YOU HAVE TO BE QUICK. THE TSA AGENT AT THE AIRPORT WILL SEE ME AND SAY FATHER SAY A PRAYER FOR ME. THAT IS A BIG MOVE. MOVE ALONG, MOVE ALONG. ACTUALLY YOU PRAY FOR THAT PERSON WHEN THEY ASK. IF YOU CAN AT THAT MOMENT AND IN THAT PLACE. THAT WILL HELP. >> INTERVIEW: TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER WHICH I TALK ABOUT IN MY BOOK. YOU CAN ASK IF THEY HAVE NEED FOR HEALING, PAIN IN THE BODY AND PRAY RIGHT THERE THAT JESUS WILL TAKE AWAY THE PAY. IT IS ASTOUNDING HOW OFTEN HE DOES. HE LOVES TO SHOW HIS GOODNESS. >> FATHER PACWA: HERE IS THE PROBLEM, PEOPLE CALL ME A PAIN. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE TRYING TO GET RID OF ME. THEY ASK FOR HEALING. WE WILL TAKE A BREAK AND BE BACK IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES. WE WANT TO GET YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AS WELL AS OUR STUDIO AUDIENCE. PLEASE STAY WITH US. [APPLAUSE] ♪ ♪ [APPLAUSE] >> FATHER PACWA: THANK YOU. WELCOME BACK. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET MARY'S BOOK "HEALING: BRINGING THE GIFT OF GOD'S MERCY." YOU CAN GET THAT AT EWTNRC.COM ONLINE OR CALL 1-800-854-6316. I THINK YOU CAN GET ALSO THE SCRIPTURE COMMENTS. THERE ARE QUESTIONS. WE START OFF WITH DEBBIE. WHERE ARE YOU CALLING FROM? >> CALLER: I AM CALLING FROM CINCINNATI, OHIO. >> FATHER PACWA: DO YOU GO DOWN THERE? >> INTERVIEW: I DO. >> FATHER PACWA: GET THE ICE CREAM. >> INTERVIEW: I HAVEN'T HAD THE ICE CREAM. >> CALLER: BEST ICE CREAM. >> FATHER PACWA: WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? >> CALLER: I AM TALKING ABOUT THE FEELING OF DYING AND HEALING PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES WHO ARE DIES. I HAVE BEEN A NURSE FOR 48 YEARS AND I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MAKE PEOPLE BETTER. I AM TO A POINT IN MY LIFE NOW WHERE I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT DEATH IS JUST THE NEXT STATION OF LIFE. HOW DO I BEST HELP PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES GO FROM THIS STAGE TO THE NEXT STAGE? >> FATHER PACWA: FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, DEBBIE, FOR 48 YEARS OF SERVICE AS A NURSE. THAT IS A GREAT GIFT RIGHT THERE. OVER THOSE YEARS, YOU HAVE SEEN PLENTY OF PATIENTS DIE. YOU HAVE BEEN WITH THEM AT ALL DIFFERENT AGES, I AM SURE. DEATH IS INEVITABLE. NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU ARE HEALED YOU DIE. >> INTERVIEW: MORTALITY RATE IS 100%. >> FATHER PACWA: I WENT TO BOTH OF THE LAZARETH'S TOMBS. HE DIED IN CYPRUS. HE DIED. HE GOT RAISED FROM THE DEAD. >> INTERVIEW: HE DIED TWICE. >> FATHER PACWA: DEATH IS INEVITABLE. WHAT ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH DEATH? CERTAIN CANCERS AND OTHER DISEASES ARE BRINGING PEOPLE CLOSER? WHAT DO YOU DO IN PRAYING FOR THAT? >> INTERVIEW: FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT IS GOOD TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE REASON WE HAVE SUCH A DEEP REACTION AGAINST DEATH IS BECAUSE DEATH IS NOT NATURAL IN THE SENSE THAT IT IS NOT THE WAY GOD CREATED US TO BE. IT CAME TO THE WORLD BECAUSE OF SIN. IT IS A CONSEQUENCE OF SIN. THE MOST TERRIBLE CONCERNS OF SIN. >> FATHER PACWA: ST. PAUL SAYS THE LAST ENEMY TO BE DEFEATED IS DEATH. DEATH IS GOD'S ENEMY. >> INTERVIEW: GOD'S ENEMY. >> FATHER PACWA: BE CAREFUL OF PEOPLE THAT TRY TO MAKE DEATH A FRIEND. IF THEY DO FRIEND DEATH AS A WAY TO FIX SOCIETY BY KILLING UNBORN OR TERMINALLY ILL, THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO BE GOD'S ENEMY. IT IS STILL INEVITABLE. >> INTERVIEW: WE HAVE BEEN BE FRIENDING IT. IT IS THE CULTURE OF DEATH. TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. OUR CULTURE TRIES TO SWEEP DEATH UNDER THE RUG AND NOT TALK ABOUT IT AND NOT ACKNOWLEDGE IT AND NOT LET A PERSON KNOW THEY ARE CLOSE TO DEATH SOMETIMES. IT RAN IN MY FAMILY YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS. >> FATHER PACWA: THAT IS DUMB. I HAVE COME CLOSE TO DEATH A COUPLE TIMES. IT IS DUMB NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT. >> INTERVIEW: PEOPLE NEED TO GET READY. PEOPLE USED TO PRAY FOR A LONG DRAWN OUT DEATH TO HAVE TIME TO PREPARE. NOW EVERYBODY PRAYS FOR QUICK DEATH. THE KEY THING IS TO HELP A PERSON SOMEHOW CONNECT WITH GOD BECAUSE THE ONLY ANSWER TO DEATH IS JESUS CHRIST. REALLY THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION THAT WE AS CHRISTIANS CAN ULTIMATELY GIVE PEOPLE TO THE PROBLEM OF DEATH. HE CAME TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF DEATH AND THE ROOT WHICH IS SIN. IT IS BY CONNECTING PEOPLE WITH GOD AND, OF COURSE, IN MANY CASES IT IS RECONNECTING PEOPLE WHO WERE ONCE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST OR MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH AND DRIFTED AWAY THAT WILL AROUSE THE HOPE TO REALIZE THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE AFRAID. HE LOVES THEM. THEY CAN ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF SINS AND RECEIVE THE SACRAMENTS IF THEY ARE CATHOLIC, RECEIVE THE MERCY OF GOD SO WHEN THEY DIE THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE AFRAID. THEY WILL BE WELCOMED HOME BY THE LORD. >> FATHER PACWA: I LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT DEATH AS THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT MOMENT OF YOUR EXISTENCE. THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENT IS YOUR CONCEPTION. WITHOUT YOUR CONCEPTION YOU DON'T EXIST. SO THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENT. THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT MOMENT IS THE MOMENT OF DEATH. IF WE USE THE PROPHET FROM JEREMIAH AND ISAIAH, GOD IS THE POTTER AND WE ARE THE CLAY. GOD IS FORMING US, THE WORLD IS FORMING US, THE DEVIL IS FORMING US OR WE TRY TO FORM OURSELVES. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A CHOICE. AT THE MOMENT OF DEATH THE CLAY GETS FIRED. >> INTERVIEW: THAT IS A GOOD IMAGE. >> FATHER PACWA: THAT IS A PERMANENT SHAPE. IF YOU LET GOD FASHION YOU INTO HIS LIKENESS, YOU ARE GOING TO FIT IN IN HEAVEN. IF YOU LET THE WORLD, DEVIL OR YOURSELF FASHION YOU, YOU ARE UGLY. >> INTERVIEW: THE GOOD NEWS IT IS NOT TOO LATE UNTIL YOUR LAST BREATH. IF YOU ARE MINUTES AWAY FROM DEATH, IT IS NOT TOO LATE TO TURN TO GOD TO ASK FORGIVENESS OF THE LORD AND ASK JESUS INTO YOUR LIFE. >> FATHER PACWA: I'M SURE DEBBIE, BEING A NURSE THAT LONG WITH MANY PEOPLE. HOW PEOPLE DIE REALLY VARIES. THE NURSES SAY SOME DIE PEACEFULLY AND THAT IN ABJECT TERROR. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE VERY MUCH NEED TO HAVE A SENSE OF PREPARATION. THAT IS A HEALING TO BE PREPARED TO GO THROUGH THE FIRING OF THE CLAY AT THE END OF LIFE. ANOTHER QUESTION FROM THE AUDIENCE. WHERE ARE YOU FROM? >> ALBANY NEW YORK. WHAT ABOUT THE HEALING THAT COMES FROM THE SACRAMENT OF HOLY CONFESSION? >> INTERVIEW: THERE IS A WONDERFUL HEALING. THE DEEPEST HEALING BECAUSE IT IS HEALING OF THE WOUND OF SIN THAT SEPARATES US FROM GOD. IF YOU REPENT SINCERELY AND GO TO CONFESSION AND RECEIVE ABSOLUTION, THAT IS THE SIN THAT IS GONE AND OVER. IT HAS NO MORE ROLE IN YOUR LIFE. IN A WAY THAT IS REALLY THE DEEPEST HEALING. >> FATHER PACWA: THIS IS SOMETHING EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A DEEPER THAN PHYSICAL. HAVING SINS AND HAVING A CONSCIENCE THAT IS AT PEACE IS A DEEP, DEEP FEELING. >> INTERVIEW: THINK OF THE PARALYZED GUY BROUGHT TO JESUS. THEY TOOK HIM THROUGH THE ROOF. NOW JESUS IS GOING TO HEAL OUR FRIEND. JESUS TURNED AND SAID MY SON YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN. THEY SAID THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR. I PICTURE THE GUY LYING THERE KNOWING EXACTLY WHY JESUS SAID THAT. HE HAD A SIN ON HIS CONSCIENCE. HE HAD SOME GUILT WEIGHING HIM DOWN. IT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED HIM FROM RECEIVING THE HEALING. WHEN JESUS SAID THAT AND HE KNEW IT WAS TRUE. WHEN THE LORD SPEAKS, HE SPEAKS WITH AUTHORITY. THE GUY KNEW IT WAS TRUE. >> FATHER PACWA: JESUS KNEW THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE THERE. THAT IS A CHARACTERISTIC OF GOD IN "THE BIBLE." ONLY GOD SEARCHING THE HEART AND MIND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. HE COULD DO THAT. THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT ALSO TO POINT OUT I HAVE HAD PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT PARALYZES YOU LIKE ARTHRITIS THAT IS BECAUSE YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE FORGIVENESS IN YOUR HEART. >> INTERVIEW: THAT IS WRONG. WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT. >> FATHER PACWA: EXACTLY. YOU CAN'T GENERALIZE FROM ONE GUY TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS ARTHRITIS OR PARALYSIS. SAY YOU ALL GOT HEALING. THAT WAS SPOKEN BY A TV PREACHER AND PEOPLE PICKED UP ON THAT. THAT IS FOLLY. >> INTERVIEW: IN THE CASE OF THE GUY THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT HIS PARALYSIS WAS CAUSED BY SIN. IT IS JUST THAT HE HAD SIN. I THINK IT IS FAIR TO ASSUME THAT SIN WOULD HAVE BLOCKED THE HEALING OF THE PARALYSIS. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAUSED THE PARALYSIS. >> FATHER PACWA: IT IS GOOD FOR US TO KNOW WE DON'T READ THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE PEOPLE. GOD DOES THAT. BE CAREFUL. I HAVE ANOTHER CALL. >> CALLER: HELLO. >> FATHER PACWA: WHERE ARE YOU CALLING FROM? >> CALLER: LONG ISLAND, NEW YORK. >> INTERVIEW: THAT IS WHERE I AM FROM. >> FATHER PACWA: WHAT ASK YOUR QUESTION, KENNY? >> CALLER: IS THERE ANY SIN THAT GOD WON'T FORGIVE? >> INTERVIEW: THERE IS ONLY ONE THAT JESUS CALLS THE SIN THAT CANNOT BE FORGIVEN. THAT IS THE SIN AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT. WHAT HE MEANS BY THAT IS SO REJECTING THE MERCY OF GOD IN OUR CONSCIENCE IN A WAY THAT WE DON'T CHANGE OUR MIND. WE REJECT THE GRACE OF GOD IN A DEFINITIVE WAY. ALL SINS CAN BE FORGIVEN OTHER THAN THAT. >> FATHER PACWA: THE PERSON WHO SAYS WHAT I DID WAS SO BAD GOD CANNOT FORGIVE ME. THAT IS THE SIN AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT, NOT THE SIN THAT THE PERSON COMMITTED. YOU KNOW, JESUS CHRIST WHO DIED ON THE CROSS FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF OUR SINS IS INFINITE. HE THEREFORE IS INFINITELY GREATER THAN ANY ACTION YOU HAVE DONE OR I HAVE DONE. THAT IS THE KEY UNDERSTANDING HERE. THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS' DEATH ON THE CROSS IS MORE POWERFUL THAN MURDER OR ANY OTHER SIN AND THAT CHRIST CAN FORGIVE EVERYTHING. THAT IS THE COMFORT. THE ONLY THING THAT BLOCKS IT IS WHEN WE SAY GOD CAN'T FORGIVE ME. THAT IS BELIEVING THE DEVIL'S LIES ABOUT OUR SINS. INSTEAD WE NEED TO BELIEVE JESUS WHO ON THE CROSS SAYS, FATHER FORGIVE THEM. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO. THAT IS THE SOURCE OF HEALING. >> INTERVIEW: SOME OF THE SAINTS HAVE SAID IT IS FOR THOSE WHO MOST NEED MERCY, WHO COMMITTED THE MOST SERIOUS THINGS, THE LORD THAT A SPECIAL LOVE FOR HIS MERCY ON THEM. IT SHOW THE GREATNESS OF THE MERCY BEYOND ANY SIN WE COULD POSSIBLY COMMIT. WE SHOULD NEVER BE AFRAID TO SEEK GOD'S MERCY. >> FATHER PACWA: I WOULD ADD THIS FROM MY OWN PERSPECTIVE. I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF CONFESSIONS OVER THE LAST 41 YEARS AS A PRIEST. WHEN SOMEBODY CONFESSES SOMETHING THAT IS VERY SERIOUS, YOU KNOW, VERY SERIOUS SIN AND THEY ARE SORRY. I NEVER SAID, GOD, THIS GUY DISGUSTS ME. THAT DOESN'T CROSS MY MIND. I AM FILLED WITH JOY THAT THE SINNER IS SORRY AND REPENTANT. IF I, A FELLOW SINNER, CAN BE FILLED WITH JOY THAT A PERSON HAS REPENTED, HOW MUCH MORE GOD, WHO IS ALL GOOD, FEELS JOY OVER THE REPENTANCE OF IS SINNERS. >> INTERVIEW: WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT. >> FATHER PACWA: ANOTHER QUESTION IN THE STUDIO AUDIENCE. WHERE ARE YOU FROM? >> INTERVIEW: MASSACHUSETTS. BEFORE YOU TALKED ABOUT PRAYING I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THE LAYING ON OF HANDS AND PRAYING OVER PEOPLE. >> FATHER PACWA: WHAT ABOUT THAT? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT PUTTING YOUR HANDS ON SOMEBODY OR TOUCHING THEM WHEN YOU ARE PRAYING FOR THEM? >> INTERVIEW: IT IS A WONDERFUL THING TO DO THAT IS AUTHORIZED BY NO LESS THAN JESUS HIMSELF WHO AT THE END OF THE GOSPEL OF MARK TELLS THE DISCIPLES TO PROCLAIM THE GOSPEL TO ALL CREATION THESE SIGNS WILL CAST OUT DEMONS AND SPEAK IN TONGUES AND LAY HAND ON THE SICK AND THE SICK WILL RECOVER. IT IS PART OF THE NORMAL LIFE OF THE CHURCH THAT HIS DISCIPLES WOULD LAY HAND ON THE SICK. NOT A SACRAMENTS, A WAY TO PRAY FOR PEOPLE AND ALLOW THE LORD TO MEDIATE HIS GRACE. >> FATHER PACWA: CHRIST DID NOT ALWAYS LAY HAND ON THE SICK. THERE MIGHT BE CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN LAYING HAND OS A PERSON MAY CAUSE DISCOMFORT OR PAIN. YOU HAVE TO. >> INTERVIEW: YOU SHOULD ASK THE PERSON IF THEY ARE COMFORTABLE IF YOU ARE IN THAT SITUATION. >> FATHER PACWA: PARENTS CAN DO THAT WITH THE CHILDREN. >> INTERVIEW: THE PRAYERS ARE POWERFUL TO LAY HAND ON THE CHILDREN WHEN THEY ARE SICK. I HAVE HEARD STORIES OF AMAZING HEALING. >> FATHER PACWA: YOU COMFORT WITH HANDS. THEY SHOULD BE ASSOCIATING WITH COMFORTING NEVER WITH WHACKING THEM. THEY NEED A SPANKING THEN USE A BELT OR A PADDLE, NOT YOUR OWN HAND. LET YOUR HAND BE A SOURCE OF HEALING. IF YOU USE CORPORAL PUNISHMENT. USE SOMETHING ELSE. THE PADDLE HITS YOU. MY FATHER AND I DID A RHYTHM AND DANCE ROUTINE. HE DID THE RHYTHM, I DID THE DANCE. TO KAREN. WHERE ARE YOU CALLING FROM? >> CALLER: I AM CALLING FROM HOUSTON, TEXAS. >> FATHER PACWA: I WAS THERE OVER THE WEEKEND FOR A CONFERENCE ON PRISON MINISTRY. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL CATHEDRAL OVER THERE. >> CALLER: GENERATIONAL CURSES. I BELIEVE IN IT AND SHOULD I BE ASKING FOR HELP FROM A PRIEST TO HELP ME WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE IS GENERATIONAL CURSES. WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR GOD'S MESSAGE FOR YEARS AND HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CHANGES. >> INTERVIEW: A GOOD WAY TO APPROACH THIS IS TO RECOGNIZE THAT EVEN THERAPISTS AND PSYCHOLOGY RECOGNIZES THE FACT OF HUMAN EXISTENCE. THE SIN OF PARENTS AFFECTS CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN. UNHEALTHY PATTERNS ARE PASSED ON ALCOHOLISM AND ABUSED ARE PASSED DOWN THROUGH GENERATIONS. >> FATHER PACWA: THEY BELIEVE ALCOHOLISM COULD BE GENETIC. SOME POPULATIONS HAVE MORE OF A GENETIC ABILITY. LIKE NATIVE-AMERICANS ARE LACKING AN ENZYME. NATIVE-AMERICANS HAVE THE STRONGEST SUSCEPTIBILITY TO IT. IT IS PHYSICAL. THERE ARE ALSO PATTERNS OF BEHAVIOR THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GENETICS BUT ARE THE WAY PEOPLE ACT. >> INTERVIEW: IN EXODUS GOD VISITS THE SINS ON THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION. THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE PUNISHES CHILDREN FOR THE SINS OF PARENTSES. IT MEAN THE CONSEQUENCES OF SINS OF THE PARENTS CAN BE SUFFERED BY THE NEXT GENERATION AND THREE AND FOUR GENERATIONS DOWN GREAT GRANDCHILDREN. THERAPISTS CONFIRM THAT. I THINK THE BEST APPROACH TO THE WHEEL OF INTER GENERATIONAL HEALS IS BIBLICAL APPROACH THAT IF THERE IS AN EVIDENT PATTERN PASSED DOWN IN THE FAMILY. YOU CAN SEE THE FACT THAT THERE WAS ALCOHOLISM OR DEPRESSION OR WHATEVER >> FATHER PACWA: OR PHYSICAL ABUSE. THAT ALSO CAN HAPPEN ONE GENERATION. SOMEONE FIS ILY OR SEXUALLY ABUSED HAD SOMETIMES WOUNDS. >> INTERVIEW: PATTERNS OF BEHAVING PASSED ON. IT IS POWERFUL TO PRAY AGAINST THOSE PATTERNS, TO BREAK THOSE PATTERNS BY THE POWER AND GRACE OF JESUS CHRIST. HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY THAT ONCE YOU START SPECULATING ABOUT NINE OR 10 GENERATIONS BACK WHERE IT IS COMPLETELY UNVERIFIABLE AND YOU ARE RELYING ON WHAT SOMEBODY SENSE IN PRAYER IT IS MUCH MORE IFFY AND THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY CREATE FEAR IN PEOPLE BE SAYING 10 GENERATIONS AGO THEY PUT A CURSE ON YOUR FAMILY AND IT IS PASSED DOWN AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE SICK. THAT IS SPECULATION WITH NO BASIS. I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP IT SIMPLE, COMMON SENSE, WHAT OUR OWN EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE CAN VERIFY ABOUT VISIBLE FAMILY PATTERNS. ABSOLUTELY THE LORD IS SO POWERFUL IN UNDOING THOSE. >> FATHER PACWA: FAMILY MEMBERS PASSED AWAY. PRAY FOR THEM IN PURGATORY. THAT IS NOT A BAD THING. >> INTERVIEW: THOSE WHO DIED YOU CAN FOR GIVE THEM. >> FATHER PACWA: THAT IS OFTEN VERY NECESSARY AS WELL. WE MAY HAVE TIME WE HAVE A MINUTE OR SO. KENT, ARE YOU THERE? >> CALLER: YES. >> FATHER PACWA: WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? >> CALLER: MY BROTHER IS AN AGNOSTIC ASKED ME IF ANY AMPUTATED LIMBS ARE RESTORED AND ANY MIRACLES CHRIST PERFORM IN THE CHURCH. I COULDN'T THINK OF ANY. I DIDN'T KNOW ANY EXPLANATION OF WHY IF IT IS TRUE. >> FATHER PACWA: PEOPLE WITH A LAMB AMPUTATED ARE NOT REGROWN THAT LIMB. >> INTERVIEW: I REMEMBER THERE WAS A BODY CUT IN VARIOUS PLACES THAT HE RESTORED TO COMPLETE WHOLENESS. A FEW CONTEMPORARY STORIES. IT IS VERY RARE. THAT IS AN EXTRAORDINARY MIRACLE. I READ WHERE SOMEBODY HAD A STUMP IN PLACE OF THE THUMB AND THE THUMB GREW BACK. BACK IT IS >> FATHER PACWA: TELL YOUR AGNOSTIC BROTHER TO GET OVER THE IGNORANCE. IT IS GREEK AND SOUNDS BETTER THAN LATIN. GET OVER THAT. WE ARE OUT OF TIME. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING WITH US. THE ALMIGHTY GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU AND CAUSE HIS FACE TO SHINE UPON YOU. FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT MAY GOD GRANT YOU HEALING OF HEART, MIND AND SOUL TO THE DEPTH OF YOUR PERSON. WE CAN BRING THE DOCTOR BECAUSE THE NETWORK IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY YOU. PLEASE KEEP US BETWEEN YOUR ELECTRIC BILL AND CABLE BILL. WE WILL BE ABLE TO PAY OUR BILLS BEFORE YOU GO ON VACATION. [APPLAUSE] ♪
