>> Fr. Pacwa: TONIGHT ON EWTN LIVE WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT HOW AMERICANS ARE BEING FORCED TO CONSIDER HOMOSEXUAL ACTS AS MORALLY ACCEPTABLE. IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION AND IT MAY NOT ALL BE APPROPRIATE FOR SOME OF OUR YOUNGER VIEWERS. SO, WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT'S FACING OUR COUNTRY AND OUR FAITH TONIGHT. SO, PLEASE, STAY WITH US. ♪ [APPLAUSE] >> Fr. Pacwa: THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WELCOME! I'M FATHER MITCH PACWA AND WELCOME TO EWTN LIVE WHERE WE BRING YOU GUESTS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. BEFORE WE GET TO OUR GUESTS, WE WANT TO MENTION THAT TODAY IS THE FEAST OF THE JESUIT MARTYR, A MEMBER OF MY OWN ORDER, SAINT JACQUES BETHIEU. HE WAS BORN IN FRANCE, BECAME A DIOCESAN PRIEST AND WANTED TO BECOME A MISSIONARY. HE JOINED THE SOCIETY OF JESUS AND SENT OVER TO SOME OF THE ISLANDS OFF MADAGASCAR. HOWEVER, IN 18 80, THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT TOOK A VERY STRONG ANTIRELIGIOUS AND ANTICLERICAL STANCE SO THAT THEY KICKED ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF MY ORDER, AND MANY OTHER ORDERS, OUT OF FRANCE AND ITS TERRITORIES. TO GET AWAY FROM THE SECULAR AND ATHEISTIC GOVERNMENT, HE WENT OVER TO MADAGASCAR ITSELF. IT WAS ITS OWN KINGDOM. THE FRENCH LATER ON INVADED MADAGASCAR AND THE PEOPLE OF THE ISLAND FOUGHT AGAINST THE FRENCH, INCLUDING ALL OF THE CHRISTIAN CONVERTS. HE EVENTUALLY WAS CAUGHT AND AFTER A SERIES OF TORTURES, HE WAS KILLED AND HIS BODY WAS THROWN IN THE RIVER NEVER TO BE RECOVERED. THAT HAPPENED IN 1896. HE WAS CANONIZED BY POPE BENEDICT XVI. AT THIS TIME, WHEN WE KNOW OF SO MANY MARTYRS GOING ON TODAY, SO MANY PEOPLE ARE BEING KILLED AROUND THE WORLD FOR THEIR CHRISTIAN FAITH. WE DO WELL TO SEEK HIS INTERCESSION AND STRENGTHEN THEM AS HE WAS STRONG AND TO ENCOURAGE US TO BE STRONG EVEN WHEN THERE IS NOT PERSECUTION. NOW, TONIGHT, WE HAVE AN INTERESTING GUEST. HE SERVED IN THE WHITE HOUSE AS SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN BACK IN THE 1980'S. HE'S WRITTEN WIDELY ON POLITICAL POLICY. AND HIS NEWEST BOOK IS CALLED, "MAKING GAY OKAY, HOW RATIONALIZING HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR IS CHANGING EVERYTHING," AND WELCOME ROBERT REILLY. >> Guest: THANK YOU. AND I'M GLAD YOU READ THE SUB TITLE. THINK IF YOU READ THE FIRST PART, MAKING GAY OKAY, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ANOTHER DIFFERENT LOOK AND MY DAUGHTER CAME UP WITH THE TITLE, IN THE AMAZON LISTING OF THE BOOK AND THEY PUT IT UNDER GAY AND LESBIAN STUDIES AND IT WAS NUMBER ONE OF ITS PLACEMENT THERE. SO, I THINK MAYBE THERE WERE SOME UNHAPPY SHOPPERS. >> Fr. Pacwa: WELL, MAYBE. AS THEY STUDIED IT THEY MAY HAVE BECOME MORE HAPPY. I FOUND IT ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL BOOK. BECAUSE YOU HAVE RESEARCHED THE BACKGROUND AND HAVE DONE SO IN A VERY THOUGHTFUL WAY LAYING OUT A WIDE VARIETY OF ISSUES. AND YOU KNOW, HOW THIS PROCESS BEGAN AND ONE OF THE IMPORTANT PARTS THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR YOU TO START OFF WITH, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL AND PSYCHIATRIC ASSOCIATIONS. THE TWO DIFFERENT ONES. AMERICAN PSYCHIATRIC AND AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION, TWO DIFFERENT ONES. WHO IN THE EARLY 1970'S, CHANGED THEIR EVALUATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY FROM A DISORDER TO SOMETHING THAT'S NORMAL. TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM, HOW DID THEY MAKE THAT CHANGE? WHAT STUDIES DID THEY DO TO SHOW EARLIER RESEARCH THAT THEY HAD DONE WAS INCORRECT? >> Guest: THERE WERE NO SUCH STUDIES OVER THROWING PRIOR RESEARCH TO FIND IT A PROFOUND PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDER. >> Fr. Pacwa: SO THEY DIDN'T DO IT WITH ANY STUDIES? >> Guest: NO, IT WAS A POLITICAL CHANGE. AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE RATIONALIZATION FOR HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR IS THAT IT MARCHED THROUGH THE VARIOUS INSTITUTIONS OF AMERICAN SOCIETY. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT TO POINT TO THE AMERICAN PSYCHIATRIC ASSOCIATION AS A PRIME TARGET. BECAUSE IT WAS LISTED IN THE DSM -- DIAGNOSTIC AND STATISTICAL MANUAL -- USED BY ALL PSYCHIATRISTS IN THE UNITED STATES. THERE IT IS, IT'S A PROFOUND PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDER. AND THE HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT SAYS, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET ANY WITH WHERE, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET OUR BEHAVIOR ACCEPTED BY THE BROOD AMERICAN PUBLIC, WE HAVE TO GET THAT CHANGED IN THE DSM. SO, THEY WAGED A CAMPAIGN WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. PRESSURE FROM WITHOUT. AND AS PART OF THIS CAMPAIGN, THE INCOMING PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION BY THE WAY WAS HIMSELF AN ACTIVE HOMOSEXUAL, THOUGH CLOSETED AT THE TIME. AND THERE WERE OTHER MEMBERS WHO ALSO WERE AND WANTED TO SEE THIS RATIONALIZATION FOR THEIR SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR CODIFIED IN A FAVORABLE WAY AND REMOVED AS A PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDER. AND THE WAY IT WAS DONE WAS THROUGH, YOU ARE FROM CHICAGO SO YOU KNOW THE WORD CLOUT. IT WAS DONE FROM POLITICAL CLOUT. IT WAS NOT DONE THROUGH SCIENCE. AND EVEN SOME HOMOSEXUAL PSYCHIATRISTS AND SCIENTISTS SAID, THIS WAS THE WRONG WAY TO DO IT. THIS IS NOT SCIENCE. THIS IS JUST POLITICAL MUSCLE. >> Fr. Pacwa: SO FOLKS UNDERSTAND WHY THAT ISSUE IS SO IMPORTANT. WHEN YOU READ THE BIOGRAPHIES OF SIGMUND FREUD, ADLER, AND THE OTHER EARLY PSYCHOLOGISTS THEY BEGAN AS MEDICAL DOCTORS. AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE A SCIENCE OF UNDERSTANDING HUMAN PERSONALITIES AND HUMAN STRUCTURES AND PSYCHOLOGY. AND FOR THE PSYCHIATRIC ASSOCIATION TO MAKE A DECISION WITH NO PSYCHOLOGICAL STUDY TO BACK IT UP IS UNDERCUTTING EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE GOT. >> Guest: YES, IT IS. AND SOME PSYCHIATRISTS SAID THAT AT THE TIME. BUT THIS IS ALL PART OF MAKING GAY OKAY. YOU HAD TO REMOVE THE ONUS OF THE CHARACTERIZATION OF IT AS A PROFOUND PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDER WHICH OF COURSE, IT CONTINUES TO BE. AND AGAIN, THE LARGER IMPETUS OF THIS BEHIND IT, THE RATIONALIZATION WITH WHICH WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR BECAUSE WE'VE ALL DONE SOMETHING WRONG. AND AS ARISTOTLE EXPLAINS, IN THE ETHICS AND THE POLITICS, A HUMAN BEING IS INCAPABLE OF CHOOSING SOMETHING UNLESS THEY PRESENT IT TO THEMSELVES AS A GOOD. SO, EVEN IF WE'RE CHOOSING SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW IS EVIL, WE'LL FOOL OURSELVES. WE'LL SAY, ACTUALLY THIS IS GOOD. IT MAY BE SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY BUT I NEED IT MORE. OR HE DOESN'T LOVE HIS WIFE AND I DO. WE EXCUSE OURSELVES WITH THIS RATIONALIZATION AND USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS -- >> Fr. Pacwa: WHICH BY THE WAY, RATIONALIZATION IS ONE OF THE CLASSIC PSYCHOLOGICAL DEFENSE MECHANISMS THAT FREUD IDENTIFIED. >> Guest: AND OFTEN, WHAT HAPPENS CONSCIENCE INTERVENES AND THE MORAL REALITY IS RESTORED WHEN THE PERSON HER OR HIMSELF ACKNOWLEDGES, UH OH, OH, WHAT I DID THERE WAS WRONG. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THAT MAN'S WIFE. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THAT PERSON'S PROPERTY. I WAS FOOLING MYSELF. THEY ARE CONTRITE AND THEY TRY TO MAKE RESTITUTION AND THE MORAL KNOWLEDGE IS ONCE ACKNOWLEDGED AND RESTORED. SO, IF YOU BASE YOUR LIFE UPON A MORAL DISORDER. FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE A PROFESSIONAL THIEF OR SAY, A HOMOSEXUAL WHOSE LIFE IS CENTERED AROUND SODOMY, THEN HAVE YOU TO CREATE A CONSCIENCE AND KEEPS YOUR CONSCIENCE FROM COMING IN AND REBUKING YOU. SO, REALITY IS OUT THERE, SO YOU NEED TO BUILD A THOROUGH RATIONALIZATION TO WITH STAND THE PRESSURES AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS UNIVERSALIZE THE RATIONALIZATION. AND IF THE OTHER PEOPLE DON'T ACCEPT THE EXCUSES THAT YOU MADE FOR YOURSELF TO ENGAGE IN THIS EVIL BEHAVIOR, THEY COULD REBUKE YOU. THEY COULD SAY, I'M SORRY. THAT'S NOT YOUR WIFE. OR YOU KNOW, SODOMY IS AN EVIL ACT. AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHUT THEM UP IN ORDER TO INSURE THE SECURITY OF YOUR RATIONALIZATION. THIS THE END OF THE CULTURE WORD TO PUT FORTH THE RATIONALIZATION, TO SEIZE THE CULTURE WITH IT, THE PSYCHIATRIC ASSOCIATION, THE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, THE BOY SCOUTS, U.S. MILITARY, THE COURTS UNTIL WE'VE REACHED THE STAGES THAT WE HAVE TODAY WITH DEAR JUSTICES ANTHONY KENNEDY SAYING THEY HAVE THE CIVIL RIGHTS FOR THAT. AND THE JUSTICES DEPARTMENT, EDUCATIONAL DEPARTMENT TO FORCE YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE VALIDITY OF THE RATIONALIZATION FOR HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND IN SOME CASES, TO FORCE IT TO THE POINT OF SUING THOSE WHO WON'T, SIGH, CATER TO A SAME SEX CEREMONY, MARRIAGE CEREMONY. THAT IF YOU WON'T BAKE A CAKE, SAY, IN SOME CASES, YOU CAN GET PUNISHED FOR NOT GOING ALONG WITH THAT. AND FLOWERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S SOME OF THE CASES THAT HAVE GONE ON SO FAR. >> Guest: YEAH, THAT'S JUST THE BEGINNING. WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ENFORCEMENT PHASE. THEY HAVE BEEN PENALIZED, BUSINESSES ARE FINED HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND DOLLARS OF DOLLARS, PHOTOGRAPHERS, FLOWER SHOPS, INDIVIDUAL I DON'T GO FERS AND SUCH THAT DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ARE GOING TO BE FORCED TO. I HAVE TO JUST ONE LITTLE IRONIC REMARK. I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE HOMOSEXUALS NEVER GO TO A MUSLIM BAKER. >> Fr. Pacwa: AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK THERE WAS ONE THAT THEY WENT TO AND HE WAS EXEMPTED. >> Guest: HE WAS EXEMPTED? >> Fr. Pacwa: IN THE WEST. >> Guest: BUT YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO MENTION MY BACKGROUND AS HAVING HAD THE PRIVILEGE FOR WORKING WITH PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN AND I THINK THAT IGNATIUS PRESS DID A BRILLIANT JOB WITH THE COVER OF THE PAPER BACK EDITION OF THIS BOOK. BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE WHITE HOUSE WHICH I REMEMBER WORKING IN, WHICH IS THAT WHITE HOUSE. AND THEN THE WHITE HOUSE, THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE BATHED IN THE LGBT COLORS TURNED ON THE NIGHT OF THE DECISION MANDATING SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IN THE UNITED STATES. SUBSEQUENTLY, SOMEONE GAVE ME THEIR MAILING FROM THE PRESIDENT, ONCE AGAIN, HERE'S THE LGBT WHITE HOUSE WITH THE COMMEMORATIVE CARD IN THERE FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA SO THAT YOU CAN PUT THIS ON YOUR LGBT ICE BOX REFRIGERATOR. AND YOU WONDER, HOW IS IT IN HEAVEN'S NAME WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN FROM HERE TO THERE! >> Fr. Pacwa: YEAH. >> Guest: JUST IN THE FEW YEARS THAT WE HAVE. AND SO, WE'RE SEEING THE POWER OF THIS ENGINE OF RATIONALIZATION AS IT EATS THROUGH THE INSTITUTIONS OF AMERICAN LIFE TO THE POINT THAT IT HAS REACHED THE WHITE HOUSE, THAT IT HAS REACHED THE SUPREME COURT IN A SERIES OF DISASTROUS DECISIONS AND THAT IT'S THOROUGHLY INFECTED THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, THE CORPORATE WORLD HAS BOUGHT ON TO THIS IN A MAJOR WAY. AND IT'S BEEN INFLICTED UPON THE U.S. MILITARY WHICH JUST ENRAGES ME TO NO END. I'M A VETERAN AND MY SON IS NOW COMPLETING HIS MARINE CORP. TRAINING. NO ONE WILL BE LEFT WHO IS NOT FORCED TO COME PLY OR KEEP SILENT IN THE FACE OF THIS. AND THE REASON IS, IT'S BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO LIVE THEIR LIVES IN THIS MORALLY DISORDERED WAY REQUIRE THAT FOR THE SECURITY OF THEIR RATIONALIZATION SO THEY CAN CONTINUE LIVING IN THE WAY IN WHICH THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO. >> Fr. Pacwa: NOW, IN THIS REGARD, THE WAY THAT YOU LAY OUT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE SUPREME COURT, IT DID NOT BEGIN AT ALL WITH ANY MENTION OF SAME SEX ATTRACTION OR ANY SUCH THINGS. BUT THERE WERE ISSUES RELATED TO HUMAN SEXUALITY GOING BACK TO THE 1960'S AND FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, ITS BEEN A STEADY PROGRESSION THAT LED THIS. COULD YOU LAY THAT OUT JUST A LITTLE ABOUT IT SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS AT STAKE IN THE MIND OF THE SUPREME COURT. >> Guest: I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT, FATHER. AND YOU KNOW, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT OFTEN ARISES IS HOW DID THIS, THERE AREN'T MANY HOMOSEXUALS ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL, UNDER 2%. >> Fr. Pacwa: JUST UNDER 2%. >> Guest: SO HOW CAN THIS TINY PROPORTION OF THE POPULATION HAVE THEIR CASE MADE IN THIS CAN WAY -- IN THIS WAY? WELL, THE ANSWER IS, ROOTED BACK IN THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION FROM THE 1960'S WHERE HETEROSEXUAL MORAL DISORDERS WERE EMBRACED AND RATIONALIZED AND FIRST, A WHOLE HOST OF THOSE WERE RATIONALIZE HAD AND ONLY LATER WERE THE HOMOSEXUALS ABLE TO SORT OF RIDE THAT RATIONALIZATION IN THE WAY IN WHICH THEY HAVE. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND IF I COULD EVEN ADD TO THAT, THAT IS THE DISORDERED HETEROSEXUAL, BREAK UP A MARRIAGE BEGINNINGS WITH 1965 AND THE NO-FAULT DIVORCE. AND PEOPLE LIVING TOGETHER BEGINNING WITH THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION OF THE LATE 1960'S. HAVE YOU TO REALLY GO BACK TO THE REPORT ON MALE SEXUALITY IN 1948 THAT WAS DONE BY THE UNIVERSITY OF INDIANA PROFESSOR, ALFRED KINSEY. AND IN KINSEY'S REPORT ON FEMALE SEXUALITY FOUR YEARS LATER. THAT'S WHAT SET THE STAGE GIVING THE RATIONALIZATION FROM A PSEUDO, HORRENDOUSLY FLAWED SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE THAT LED TO THE DISORDER IN HETEROSEXUAL AND SAME SEX ATTRACTION. >> Guest: AND THE LOGIC WORKS THIS WAY. IF YOU WILL SUPPORT THE RATIONALIZATION FOR MY DISORDER I'LL SUPPORT YOUR RATIONALIZATION FOR YOUR SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR. AND YOU FIND MANY HETEROSEXUALS THAT COMPROMISED THEIR BEHAVIOR MORALLY DON'T HAVE A FOOT TO STAND ON WHEN IT COMES TO ADDRESSING THE IMMORALITY OF HOMOSEXUAL ACTS. AND MOREOVER, FATHER, ON THE SUPREME COURT DECISIONS WHICH HAVE STEADILY ERODED THE MORALITY OF SEXUAL RELATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES BY SEPARATING SEX FROM DIAPERS. AND THIS BEGAN IN THE 1960'S. IN THE GRISWALD VS. CONNECTICUT DECISION IN WHICH THE COURT RULED AGAINST CONNECTICUT'S LAWS AGAINST CONTRACEPTION SAYING, WELL, THIS MARRIED COUPLE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET CONTRACEPTION. >> Fr. Pacwa: IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR HOME. >> Guest: RIGHT, IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR HOME. AND THEN IT GOES -- >> Fr. Pacwa: AND JUST WITH THAT, YOUR LINE IN THE BOOK THE LINE OF YOUR ORIGIN OF THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY. DO YOU REMEMBER THE QUOTE YOU GAVE FROM THE SUPREME COURT, IT'S FOUND IN THE PENUMBRA OF THE EMANATIONS THAT FLOW FROM THE BILL OF RIGHTS. WHAT'S THAT MEAN? >> Guest: EXACTLY. IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. NOTHING. >> Fr. Pacwa: THERE IS NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS, IS THERE? >> Guest: NO. NO, IT'S TOTALLY MANUFACTURED. AND OF COURSE, THIS WAS CARRIED OVER INTO EISENSTOTT VERSUS BAIRD WHICH FOLLOWED THE LOGIC OF THIS. IF CONTRACEPTION IS OKAY, AND YOU CAN SHORT CIRCUIT THE PART OF THIS SO TO SEXUAL ACTS DON'T UNMARRIED PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO THIS CONTRACEPTION TOO? AND SURE ENOUGH, EISENSTOTT VS. BAIRD, THE COURT SAYS ABSOLUTELY. THESE ADULTS ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO OBTAIN CONTRACEPTION. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND THAT HELPED FUEL THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION. >> Guest: RIGHT IT WAS THE FUELING OF IT TO SEPARATE SEX FROM DIAPERS. OTHERWISE, YOU ARE STUCK WITH THE BABY. AND THE NEXT QUESTION AROSE, WHAT ABOUT MINORS? DON'T THEY HAVE ANY RIGHTS? AND SURE ENOUGH, IN THE, I THINK CAREY VS. POPULATION SERVICES, ABSOLUTELY. MINORS HAVE RIGHTS TO OBTAIN CONTRACEPTIVES. SO, NOW EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO CONTRACEPTIVE. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND HOW YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THE RIGHTS LIVE OUT. ONE OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN NEW YORK CITY, THERE WAS A COOKIE JAR WITH PROPHYLACTICS IN THERE AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY WHO WANTED IT. >> Guest: AND THE ATTENDANT QUESTION IS THEN RAISED, WHAT IF YOUR CONTRACEPTIVE FAILS AND CONTRACEPTION TAKES PLACE? >> Fr. Pacwa: WHICH HAPPENS IN 10-15% OF THE TIMES. >> Guest: WELL, YOU DIDN'T INTEND THAT. THAT'S WHY YOU WERE USING A CONTRACEPTIVE TO AVOID IT? ARE YOU TO BE PENALIZED WITH THE BURDEN OF THE CHILD BECAUSE YOUR CONTRACEPTIVE FAILED? AND THAT'S THE ROE VERSUS WADE OH, NO, ABSOLUTELY DON'T BE PENALIZED BY THAT. LET'S JUST PENALIZE THE UNBORN CHILD BY ABORTING IT. >> Fr. Pacwa: THAT'S WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID. PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID HE DOESN'T WANT HIS DAUGHTER PENALIZED BY HAVING TO HAVE A BABY. >> Guest: AND THE SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR NOW, IT'S REALLY MORE POWERFUL THAN THE ACTUAL REALITY OF THE BABY WHO IS KILLED THROUGH THE STRENGTH OF THE RATIONALIZATION FOR THE SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR. SO, ADDING ON TO THIS COMES THE CASEY VS -- NO, EXCUSE ME. IF I CAN JUST REFER TO MY NOTE HERE. OKAY. PLANNED PARENTHOOD VS. CASEY. IN PENNSYLVANIA. THEY HAD A LAW SAYING THAT THE FATHER OF THE CHILD, THE HUSBAND, HAS NO RIGHT IN THE DECISION OF THE WOMAN OR THE WIFE TO ABORT THEIR CHILD. BUT HE DOES HAVE TO BE INFORMED. DOESN'T SEEM TO BE TOO ONEROUS OF A REQUIREMENT. BUT THE SUPREME COURT FOUND THAT IT WAS. THAT THE REQUIREMENT TO INFORM THE HUSBAND, THE FATHER, WAS AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THE WIFE BECAUSE IF THE HUSBAND IS INFORMED, MAYBE SHE WOULDN'T GO THROUGH WITH THE ABORTION. SO, IT SAID EXPLICITLY THAT THIS UNDUE BURDEN ON THE LIBERTY OF THE WOMAN WAS STRONGER THAN THE FATHER'S INTEREST IN THE UNBORN CHILD. >> Fr. Pacwa: HIS CHILD? >> Guest: HIS CHILD. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND IT'S AS MUCH HIS CHILD AS IT IS HERS. >> Guest: SO HER LIBERTY TRUMPED HIS INTEREST IN THE CHILD. THIS DECISION BEING MADE BY A COURT, OUR U.S. SUPREME COURT BUILDING, UNDER THE FRIEZE OF SOLOMON AND MADE THAT GRADE DECISION IN HIS ATTEMPT TO FIND OUT WHO IS THE REAL PARENT OF THE BABY AND SAYING I'LL CUT IT IN HALF AND GIVE IT TO BOTH MOTHERS. AND THE REAL MOTHER SAID, NO, NO, NO. DON'T KILL THE CHILD. GIVE IT TO THE OTHER WOMAN. AND THAT'S HOW SOLOMON FOUND OUT WHO THE REAL CHILD WAS. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND THE OTHER WOMAN SAID, GO AHEAD AND KILL IT. SO SHE WAS NOT THE MOTHER. >> Guest: RIGHT. AND THE REAL PARENT IS NOT THE FATHER WHO MAY WISH TO SAVE THE LIFE OF HIS CHILD BUT THE MOTHER WHO WILL TAKE THE CHILD'S LIFE. AND THE TOTAL INVERSION OF REALITY AND OF MORAL GOODNESS ACHIEVED IN THAT DEPRAVED DECISION. THEN OF COURSE, SUBSEQUENT DECISIONS WHICH FURTHER SEPARATE SEX FROM DIAPERS WAS THE LAWRENCE VS. TEXAS CASE IN 2003. ONCE AGAIN, JUSTICES ANTHONY KENNEDY DISCOVERS SOMEWHERE IN A PENUMBRA, THERE'S A RIGHT TO SODOMY IN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION OR THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND DUE PROCESS AND EQUAL TREATMENT BEFORE THE LAW. AND THAT THE TEXAS MEN WHO ENGAGED IN THIS ACT AND PLED GUILTY TO IT ACCORDING TO A TEXAS LAW, THE TEXAS LAW ACCORDING TO WHICH THEY WERE FOUND BEAUTY WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. PRESUMABLY BECAUSE OF THE DIGNITY OF THE PRIVATE CHOICE OF THEIR SEXUAL BEHAVIOR. AND THIS COULD NOT BE DISPARAGED. SO, IN 2003, THEN JUSTICE SCALIA SAID WE'RE GOING FROM HERE TO MARRIAGE BASED UPON SODOMY. JUSTICES KENNEDY SAID, OH, THIS HAS NO IMPLICATION FOR MARRIAGE AND SO FORTH UNTIL 10 YEARS LATER IN THE WINDSOR DECISION, JUSTICE KENNEDY SAYS ACTUALLY IT DOES HAVE AN IMPLICATION FOR MARRIAGE. AND IN THE WINDSOR DECISION, HE OVERTURNS IT BY THE U.S. CONVERSATION DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE, SAID FOR FEDERAL PURPOSES, FOR FEDERAL LAWS, MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND THIS WAS A LAW SIGNED BY PRESIDENT CLINTON AND VOTED ON BY CONGRESS, MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN. AND THEN THE JUSTICES OVERTHREW THAT LAW. >> Guest: RIGHT AND SAY THE DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND WE KNEW THAT THE FINAL SHOE WAS GOING TO DROP AND IT DID. IN THE OBERGELFELL DECISION, JUSTICE KENNEDY OVERTHREW ALL OF THE LAWS IN THE UNITED STATES OF MARRIAGE AS BEING BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN. >> Fr. Pacwa: LAWS WHICH WERE BROUGHT TO THE PEOPLE OVER 30 TIMES, NOT TOO LONG BEFORE THAT DECISION AND IN ALL. CASES, ALL BUT ONE OR TWO, BUT THE PEOPLE HAD VOTED, SOMETIMES TWICE IN CALIFORNIA! >> Guest: RIGHT. EVEN THE PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA SAY NO, IT'S BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN. IF THEY KNOW, EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW. I LIKE CALIFORNIA. I SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THAT SARCASTIC. BUT YOU SEE, FATHER, AS YOU KNOW, AND AS YOU POINTED OUT IN YOUR QUESTION, THE LOGIC OF THIS PROGRESSION IS IMPECCABLE. >> Fr. Pacwa: THAT'S RIGHT. >> Guest: BECAUSE ONCE YOU DIVORCE, SEX FROM PROCREATION, THIS PATH BECOMES INESCAPABLE. SO, THE LOGIC IS IMPECCABLE. ONLY THE PREMISE IS INSANE. AND WE KNOW HOW INSANE THE PETROLEUM PREMISE IS BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TRANS GENDERISM BEING FORCED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. AND DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ON EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE UNITED STATES AND SUITS AGAINST NORTH CAROLINA WHICH THINKS IN PUBLIC BATHROOMS PEOPLE SHOULD GO TO THE APPROPRIATE BATHROOMS OF THEIR GENDER. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND SO FOLKS UNDERSTAND WHAT WE MEAN BY GENDERISM. THIS IS NOT SOMEBODY WHO HAS EVEN HAD A SEX CHANGE OPERATION. THAT'S TRANS SEX ISSUE. TRANSGENDER MEANS THE PERSON MAINTAINS BIOLOGICAL GENDER BUT THEY FEEL AS IF THEY ARE THE OTHER GENDER. THEREFORE, THAT PERSON, WITH THE PHYSICAL PARTS THAT THEY WERE BORN WITH STILL FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO TO THE OPPOSITE GENDER'S BATHROOMS SHOWERS, AND CHANGING ROOMS. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, NOW, ONE OF THE ATHLETES, I THINK, A BOY WHO IS BIOLOGICALLY MALE JUST WON THE GIRLS RUNNING CONTEST FOR THE STATE OF ALASKA. I THINK JUST YESTERDAY OR SO. SO, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING FAR FETCHED. THIS IS SOMETHING GOING ON RIGHT NOW. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT. AND ALSO, THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID, IF STATES DON'T GO ALONG WITH IT, HE'S GOING TO WITH HOLD FEDERAL FUNDS FROM THE SCHOOLS. FUNDS THAT ARE MEANT TO HELP THE POOR SCHOOLS IN THE STATES. AND HE WILL PUT, HOLD THE POOR HOSTAGE TO THIS AGENDA. >> Guest: THERE WAS A MEETING OF THE SCHOOL BOARD IN THE COUNTY IN WHICH I RESIDE, FAIRFAX, NORTHERN VIRGINIA. THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD VOTED TO GO ALONG WITH THIS SEXUAL DISORIENTATION. AND A FRIEND WENT AND I SAID, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE, ASK THE BOARD THAT IF IN THE COURSE OF THE EVENING'S MEETING ANY OF THEM FELT THE CALL OF NATURE, WOULD THEY HAVE ANY QUESTION AS TO WHEN THEY GO OUT IN THE HALLWAY TO HEAD FOR THE BOYS ROOM OR THE GIRLS ROOM? AND IF THEY DIDN'T, WHY WOULD THEY INFLICT THAT KIND OF CONFUSION ON OUR CHILDREN? NONETHELESS, THE BOARD VOTES, ONLY TWO VOTE AGAINST THE RIDICULOUS PROPOSITION AND I ASKED HOW COULD ADULTS DO THAT. AND THE ANSWER COMES BACK, TITLE 9. THEY IMPERIL THE FUNDING FOR THE SCHOOL FUNDING. AND WHEN WE RATIONALIZE THIS IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOR WE SEE THE INSTRUMENTS BEING USED FOR THE ENFORCEMENT OF SUCH IN THIS WAY. >> Fr. Pacwa: I WAS 12-YEARS-OLD WHEN PRESIDENT KENNEDY SAID WE'LL PUT A MAN ON THE MOON IN 10 YEARS. AND AS HE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, HE ENCOURAGED THE SCHOOLS TO GET BETTER SO THAT WE CAN KNOW MORE SCIENCE AND MATH. TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. HERE, WE SEE THE PRESIDENT OBAMA IS INSISTING PUT A MAN IN THE WOMEN'S BATHROOM AND HE'LL TAKE AWAY THE FUNDS TO MAKE THE SCHOOLS EXCELLENT IN ORDER TO GET THAT AGENDA. AND I FIND THAT THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I HAVE GROWN UP WITH. LET'S TAKE A BREAK AND WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES WITH YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM OUR STUDIO AUDIENCE. PLEASE, STAY WITH US! [APPLAUSE] ♪ ♪ [APPLAUSE] Fr. Pacwa: THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND FIRST OF ALL, I WANT YOU TO INVITE YOU TO DO THE SAME WHICH THIS NICE GROUP OF PEOPLE HAVE DONE. COME, JOIN US ON THE PILGRIMAGE. LOTS OF FOLKS HERE FROM MICHIGAN. AND WE HAVE ONE LADY WHO HAS WON THE LONG DISTANCE AWARD, COMING ALL THE WAY FROM ADELAIDE AUSTRALIA. IF SHE CAME FROM THAT FAR, YOU CAN TOO! CALL OUR PILGRIMAGE DEPARTMENT, 205-271-2966. AND YOU CAN GO TO THE WEB SITE, ewtn.com. WE'LL GIVE YOU INFORMATION ON SCHEDULING THE MASSES, PROGRAMS AND DIRECTIONS TO HANCEVILLE AND PLACE TO SAY STAY AND EAT. SO, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS? OKAY. GIDDY UP. LET'S START WITH MAUL. >> Voice: HELLO, FATHER. WHERE ARE YOU FROM? >> Voice: I'M FROM THE SYRACUSE AREA IN UPSTATE NEW YORK. WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? >> Voice: I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, FATHER. FIRST OF ALL, HAMBURGER HEAVEN, IF YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE THAT DESIRE, SEND IT UP HERE! WE'RE GLAD YOU ARE BACK. AND WE WANT TO KEEP YOU HEALTHY. OKAY. MY QUESTION. WELL, MY COMMENT, I SUFFERED FROM SAME SEX ATTRACTION ALL MY LIFE. IT'S A CROSS. IT'S A VERY HARD CROSS. MOST FRIENDS OF MINE DON'T REALLY KNOW IT. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT YOU ARE, I'M SURE, VERY AWARE, THAT THEY ARE NOW TEACHING IN SCHOOLS IN MANY PLACES, THEY ARE TEACHING FOR YOUNG BOYS, YOUNG GIRLS THAT THEY CAN START THINKING ABOUT THIS, LIKE, IN THIRD OR FOURTH GRADE, THEY SHOULD START THINKING ABOUT WHO THEY ARE REALLY ATTRACTED FOR, WHO THEY ARE MEANT FOR. AND I'M JUST HERE TO TELL YOU, AS A LIVING EXAMPLE, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC. WE'RE ALREADY IN A MAJOR SOCIETAL DECAY AS WE KNOW IT. AND I CAN TELL FROM YOU MY OWN EXPERIENCE, LIVING THROUGH IT, AND I HAD NO ABUSE, NEVER HAD ANY SEXUAL ABUSE SO MINE WAS NOT SPAWNED BY THAT. PUBERTY YOU KNOW, PSYCHOLOGICAL UNDERSTANDING, DURING PUBERTY, BOYS SOMETIMES HAVING AN ATTRACTION FOR BOYS. AND THE PROPER TEACHING AT THAT TIME THROUGH PARENTS WHO ENTER THE CHURCH WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T OBVIOUSLY ENGAGE IN SEX, PERIOD. BUT THAT'S NOT THE NORM. AND THAT OBVIOUSLY THROUGHOUT THE PUBERTY PERIOD QUITE OFTEN IS GOING TO CHANGE. HOWEVER, IF YOU ACT UPON IT, DURING THE TEENAGE YEARS -- AND THERE WAS MY PROBLEM -- I DID. AND BECAUSE OF IT, THAT BEGINS TO SPIN YOU IN THAT DIRECTION. AND THAT'S IF YOU ACT ON IT, NOBODY PUTS STOPS ON IT, YOU DON'T EVEN HEAR ANYBODY TELLING YOU IT'S NOT RIGHT, ABOUT SEX, PERIOD. AND IT MAKES YOU IN THAT ROLE. IT JUST STARTS TO CEMENT INTO YOUR SKULL, YOUR BRAIN. YOUR BRAIN JUST FUNCTIONS IN THAT AND YOU CAN'T EASILY START THEN LOOKING THE WAY YOU SHOULD HAVE, OR THE WAY THAT IT NORMALLY WOULD BE. IT BECOMES SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY THAT'S HARD TO BREAK. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND PAUL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S WHAT THOMAS TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF BECOMING HABIT. YOU CAN BUILD GOOD HABITS AND ALSO HABITS THAT ARE NOT GOOD. >> Guest: AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IN REACTION TO THE EXCELLENT REMARKS YOU HAVE MADE. IT'S AN ACT OF CONDESCENSION TO ACTIVE HOMOSEXUALS TO NOT TELL THEM THAT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WRONG. IT'S A LACK OF RESPECT FOR THEM AS HUMAN BEINGS NOT TO TELL THEM THAT. IT IS NOT A WARM AND FUZZY EMBRACE OF, YOU'RE OKAY AND I'M OKAY. IT'S PARTICIPATING IN THE LIE THAT THEY ARE TELLING THEMSELVES. AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY MENTION THE WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION COURAGE. COURAGE IS THE CATHOLIC ORGANIZATION TO MINISTER TO HOMOSEXUALS AND LESBIANS, PEOPLE STRUGGLING WITH SAME SEX ATTRACTION. NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY CAN CHANGE FROM THAT, BUT HELPING THEM TO LIVE CHASTE LIVES AS WE'RE ALL CALLED, IN WHATEVER STATION OF LIFE WE ARE, TO LIVE CHASTE LIVES. AND THIS GROUP IS A TRUTH-TELLING, COMPASSIONATE CATHOLIC GROUP, FATHER, THAT I AM SURE YOU KNOW. >> Fr. Pacwa: YEAH, WE'VE HAD FATHER CHECK WHO HAS BEEN ON THE PROGRAM. >> Guest: AND HE'S HEAD OF IT. AND I BET EWTN HAS SHOWN THE BEAUTIFULLY GLORIOUS DOCUMENTARY THEY HAVE PRODUCED, CALLED THE DESIRE OF THE EVERLASTING HILLS. >> Fr. Pacwa: YES. >> Guest: AND ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS OR SEE THE BEAUTY OF REALITY ARE RETURNING TO THE LIVES OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED AS ACTIVE HOMOSEXUALS AND LESBIANS, TO RETURNING TO THE MORAL ORDER TO DISCOVER CHRIST'S INFINITE LOVE AND MERCY FOR THEM. THAT FILM IS ONE OF THE GREATEST ADVERTISEMENTS FOR CONFESSION I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE. >> Fr. Pacwa: IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW. POLITICIANS MAKE IT A BUZZ WORD. PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOVE WHO THEY WANT. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YOU WANT TO LOVE PEOPLE OF THE SAME GENDER. MOST PEOPLE HAVE FRIENDS OF THE SAME GENDER. AND MOST PEOPLE HAVE FRIENDS OF THE OPPOSITE GENDER. BUT LOVING THEM IS NOT THE SAME AS ENGAGING THEM IN SEXUAL BEHAVIOR. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY LOVE. AND OFTENTIMES, ENGAGING SOME OF THE OPPOSITE GENDER CAN ALSO BE A NONLOVING ACTION AS IN, SAY, ADULTERY. SO, THIS IS NOT AND BY SEXUAL EXPRESSION, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ANOTHER KIND OF ACCEPTANCE OF EAR PERSONS ON A VARIETY OF LEVELS AND GIVING YOURSELF TO THEM WITHOUT NECESSARILY THAT KIND OF -- >> WELL, I RECALL VICE-PRESIDENT BIDEN SAYING IT'S ALL A MATTER OF WHO YOU LOVE. AND I HEARD THAT AND IT SPEAKS SUBSTANSIVELY AND GRAMMATICALLY INCORRECT. IT'S WHOM YOU LOVE. WHICH IS THE PROBLEM OF WHAT HE WAS PROMOTING. AND I THINK THE KEY IN LOOKING AT THE LOVE OF THE PERSON THEY HAVE FOR ANOTHER PERSON THAT HE HAS. IF IT'S GOING AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE EXPRESSED AND NEITHER UNITIVE NOR GENERATIVE, THEN IT IS NOT SPOUSAL LOVE. >> Fr. Pacwa: RIGHT. >> Guest: THAT'S MOTHER NATURE'S WAY OF TAPPING US ON THE SHOULDER AND SAYING, DON'T SEXUALIZE THAT LOVE THAT YOU HAVE FOR ANOTHER MAN, IF YOU ARE A MAN. BECAUSE THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE SPOUSAL. YOUR BODY IS TELLING YOU THAT, BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE UNITIVE NOR PROCREATIVE. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE STUDIO AUDIENCE. MA'AM, WHERE ARE YOU FROM? >> Voice: I'M FROM STERLING HEIGHTS MICHIGAN. AND MY QUESTION IS, PEOPLE ARE PAYING MONEY TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN TAXES, STATES ARE PAYING MONEY TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS BEHOLDING -- WITH HOLDING MONEY FROM THE SCHOOLS THEN. >> Fr. Pacwa: HOLDING OUR MONEY. RIGHT. >> Guest: COERCIVELY. AS WE KNOW, WE HAVE A PRESIDENT TAKING EXECUTIVE ACTIONS FAR BEYOND THE AUTHORITY OF THE OFFICE JUST AS HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS DELIVERED TO ALL OF THESE SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTRY INFORMING THEM OF THIS TRANSGENDER ISSUE. IT'S JUST A RAW EXERCISE OF POWER AND AN ASSERTION OF WILL. >> Fr. Pacwa: IT'S SOMETHING AGAIN THAT'S TAKING WHAT BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE TO MANIPULATE THEM. >> AS YOU MENTIONED, ABOUT THE WORD CLOUT. I'M FROM CHICAGO AND I KNOW WHAT THIS IS LIKE. THE PRESIDENT'S NOT FROM CHICAGO. HE HAD TO COME THERE TO LEARN THIS APPARENTLY. SO, WE HAVE ANOTHER CALLER ON THE LINE. CELENE. WHERE ARE YOU CALLING FROM? >> Voice: I'M CALLING YOU FROM HERE IN THE BIRMINGHAM AREA. >> Fr. Pacwa: WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? >> Voice: I'M FLUMMOXED ABOUT THE TRANSGENDER ISSUE. HOW DID THIS BECOME SUCH AN URGENT ISSUE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IT CAME FROM? AND WHY IS IT EVERYWHERE NOW. >> Fr. Pacwa: AGAIN, THIS IS REFERRING TO THREE ONE HUNDREDTHS OF ONE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION. THAT'S THE GENERAL FIGURE THAT'S GIVEN. THIS HAS BECOME A NATIONAL CRISIS FOR THE PRESIDENT. AND THE STATES ARE GETTING THESE THREATS FOR THIS TOO. WHY? WHY IS THAT? >> Guest: WELL, IT'S JUST ANOTHER STEP IN THE RATIONALIZATION. THE FOUNDATION OF THE RATIONALIZATION BY THE WAY COULD BE EXPRESSED IN THE LANGUAGE OF JOHN DOE WHO DID SUCH DAMAGE TO THE AMERICAN EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM WHO SAID, MAN'S NATURE IS TO HAVE NO NATURE. AND IF YOU HAVE NO NATURE DETERMINING WHAT IT IS TO BE A HUMAN BEING AND HOW A HUMAN BEING OUGHT TO BEHAVE, THEN YOU GET TO WILL. YOU GET TO WILL WHATEVER YOU WISH TO DO. AND HAVE THE POWER TO DO. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS AN EXPRESSION OF. IF YOU WANT TO MARRY A MAN AND YOU ARE A MAN, WELL, YOU HAVE THE WILL TO DO IT. IF YOU WANT TO MUTE LATHE YOURSELF, AND YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO IT, DO IT. BECAUSE BASICALLY, YOU ARE BEING WITH NO HUMAN NATURE AND YOU CAN MAKE OF YOURSELF WHATEVER YOU HAVE THE POWER AND WILL TO DO. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND IF YOU DON'T MAKE THAT KIND OF MUTILATION, SEX CHANGE OPERATION DOES NOT CHANGE ONE GENE IN YOUR MAKE-UP. >> Guest: NO, NO. THE REALITY IS STILL THERE. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND THE STRUCTURE IS STILL THERE, EXACTLY THE SAME, FROM THE MOMENT YOU WERE CONCEIVED. DOESN'T ADD ANY GENES, TAKE AWAY ANY GENES. NONE OF THAT. BUT IF YOU DON'T GO THROUGH THAT KIND OF A CHANGE AND KEEP YOUR BODILY INTEGRITY LIKE IT IS, AND FEEL LIKE THE OTHER GENDER. THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ARGUING THAT YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WISH. AND IT BECOMES A GAME OF SIMON SAYS. IN THIS ABSOLUTE RELATIVISM, POWER TO FORCE YOUR FEELINGS ON EVERYBODY ELSE BECOMES, IT MIGHT MAKES RIGHT. THAT'S THE CORRELATIVE OF RELATIVISM. THERE'S NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH, THEN MIGHT MAKES RIGHT BECAUSE TRUTH DOESN'T. >> Fr. Pacwa: THIS IS A DENIAL OF REALITY AND REVOLT OF BEING. IT'S PREMISED ON THE ROLE OF THE WILL OVER REASON. AND IT'S THE DENIAL OF THE EXISTENCE OF NATURE. WHAT'S IMPERILED HERE IN TERMS OF OUR OWN NATION IS THE DENIAL OF THE LAWS OF NATURE, AND NATURE'S GOD ON WHICH THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN FOUNDED WHICH IS THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE ANNOUNCES. NONE OF THIS COULD BE TRUE. NONE OF THE SUPREME COURT DECISIONS -- WHICH WE'VE GONE OVER BRIEFLY -- NONE OF THEM COULD BE RIGHT IN THE FACE OF THE LAWS OF NATURE AND OF NATURE'S GOD. THEREFORE, IT IS THE DENIAL OF THOSE LAWS THAT IS THE FUNDAMENTAL FOUNDATION FOR THIS TRANSFORMATION OF THE COUNTRY AND THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE RATIONALIZATIONS FOR ALL OF THESE VARIOUS FORMS OF MISBEHAVIOR. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND MY CONCERN WITH THIS. I MENTIONED THE ISSUE OF MIGHT MAKES RIGHT. THESE ARE THE TOOLS OF DICTATORS. THAT YOU CAN COME UP WITH, YOU CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO BELIEVE WHAT IS SO OBVIOUSLY UNTRUE. AND IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT THE UNTRUTH THAT I DEMAND YOU ACCEPT, THEN I WILL PUNISH YOU. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS THREATENING US WITH. AND THIS IS DICTATORSHIP. YOU KNOW, IN THE SOVIET UNION. AND IT'S WHAT JOHN STOSSEL SAYS, IT STARTS AS TOLERANCE AND NOW IT'S DOMINANCE. >> Voice: I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT THE GAY AGENDA BEING IMPLICATED TODAY, WHAT CAN MY AGENDA DO TO FIGHT IT? >> Fr. Pacwa: GOOD QUESTION. >> Guest: THIS MAY SOUND A LITTLE SELF-SERVING, BUT YOU MIGHT READ THE BOOK, MAKING GAY OKAY. I TELL YOU WHY I AM SAYING THIS. I ASSUME YOU ARE A CATHOLIC. >> Voice: YES, SIR. >> Guest: AND AS A CATHOLIC, YOU ARE GOING TO BE TOLD TO SHUT UP IN THE PUBLIC ARENA. THAT'S YOUR PRIVATE BELIEF GO HOME AND PRACTICE IT. BUT DON'T BRING IT TO THE PUBLIC SPACE HERE. WE'RE NOT AS OBAMA SAID, A CHRISTIAN NATION. SO, WHAT I HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO IS GIVE THE MOST POWERFUL ARGUMENTS FOR REASON AGAINST THIS. GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINS OF PHILOSOPHY IN ANCIENT GREECE THROUGH TODAY. IN ORDER TO TAKE THESE PEOPLE ON, ON THEIR OWN GROUNDS WHICH ARE THOSE OF REASON, THOSE OF SCIENCE, SEWS OF RATIONALITY AND SHOW THAT ON THOSE BASIS, BASES, WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY ARE WRONG. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND I WOULD ADD, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WOULD SAY, GENERALIZED OF COURSE, YOU WANT TO GET YOUR BOOK, I DON'T BLAME YOU. BECAUSE IT IS EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE. BUT THAT'S THE ISSUE. BECOMING BETTER INFORMED. THAN PEOPLE IN THE SOCIETY OR BETTER INFORMED THAT PERHAPS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNOWS ABOUT ALL OF THIS. BUT FOR, TO BECOME BETTER INFORMED THAN WHAT HE IS SAYING IN PUBLIC, I WOULD ADD ANOTHER REALLY GOOD SOURCE CALLED SEXUAL WISDOM BY A MEDICAL DOCTOR, RICHARD WETSLER. I BELIEVE HE'S PASSED AWAY. BUT HIS BOOK LAYS OUT, AND I BELIEVE HIS BROTHER IS UPDATING IT. IT LAYS OUT THE MEDICAL STUDIES OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE INCREASED USE OF CONTRACEPTIVES AND HE HAS A CHART SHOWING THAT MORE OF THE CHART OF THE SALES OF THE CONTRACEPTIVES WHETHER IT'S THE PILL OR PROPHYLACTIC HAS THE SAME CURVE OF GROWTH AS THE INCREASE OF ABORTION, THE INCREASE OF UNMARRIED PARENTHOOD AND THE INCREASE OF SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES. AND THEY SAY, THAT'S COUNTER INTUITIVE. BUT IT INDICATES THAT PEOPLE TAKE GREATER RISKS. THEY CALL IT SAFE SEX. BUT IT'S NOT SAFE. AND HE HAS DATA ON THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF HOMOSEXUALS IS ONLY 46 OR 47. >> Guest: WELL, THE BEHAVIOR AND THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL HAVE AMPLE EVIDENCE ON HOW LETHAL THIS BEHAVIOR IS. IT SPREADS A LOT MORE DISEASES THAN SIMPLY AIDS. AND YOU THINK -- >> Fr. Pacwa: IT'S OVER 60 SOMETHING SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES AS OPPOSED TO THE TWO KNOWN IN THE 1960S. AND SINCE THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION GONE FROM TWO KNOWN DISEASES TO OVER 60. >> Guest: AND SYPHILIS WAS CLOSELY WIPED OUT IN THIS COUNTRY AND NOW IT'S EPIDEMIC AND IT'S ALL DUE TO MSM AND THAT'S MALE SEX WITH MALES. AND THE EVIDENCE IS THERE. IT'S ABUNDANT. WE HAVE WARNINGS ON CIGARETTE PACKAGES. WE HAVE WARNINGS ON BOTTLES OF ALCOHOL. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND THERE ARE WARNINGS IN THE CONTRACEPTIVES AS WELL BUT IT'S IN SMALL PRINT AND PEOPLE JUST DON'T READ IT. THE WARNINGS ARE WRITTEN THERE BECAUSE THEY DO EXIST. YES. >> Guest: THIS BEHAVIOR IS FAR MORE LETHAL THAN SMOKING OR DRINKING OR EATING AN EXTRA BOX OF TWINKIES AND THERE'S NO WARNING SIGN ON THAT. >> Fr. Pacwa: AND TO GIVE PERSPECTIVE, LIFE EXPECTANCY OF A SMOKER IS 69. AND THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF A PRACTICING HOMOSEXUAL IS 46. THAT'S A 23 YEAR DIFFERENCE. IT'S SAFER TO BE A SMOKER. AND YOU JUST WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT. >> Guest: AND I WANT TO SAY ONE OTHER THING TO THIS YOUNG LADY WHO ASKED THE QUESTION. AND THAT WOULD BE, DO NOT COMPLY. DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE LIE. TELL THE TRUTH AND PREPARE TO DEFEND THE TRUTH. IT MAY MAKE LIFE DIFFICULT FOR YOU. BUT THEY SAY THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. >> Fr. Pacwa: GOOD ADVICE. OKAY. HELLO, WHERE ARE YOU CALLING FROM? >> Voice: I DON'T WANT TO SAY. >> Fr. Pacwa: THAT'S FINE. WHAT'S YOUR COMMENT? >> Voice: I WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT I LIVED A LESBIAN LIFESTYLE. AND THROUGH LITERALLY MOTHER ANGELICA, HERSELF, AND AND READING BOOKS, I GOT OUT OF THAT LIFESTYLE. I'M NOW MARRIED TO A WONDERFUL DEVOUT CATHOLIC MAN IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND I'M VERY HAPPY. I'VE TRIED, AS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS, TO SPEAK TO PEOPLE THAT I KNEW IN THE LIFESTYLE AND EXPLAIN WHY MY DECISION WAS SO ABSOLUTE. AND THEY ARE ANGRY. THEY ARE VERY ANGRY. THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO LISTEN. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. AND I JUST WANT TO REAFFIRM EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID. >> Fr. Pacwa: YEAH, THANK YOU. I'VE KNOWN MEN ALSO WHO HAVE LEFT THE LIFESTYLE. THEY WANT TO REACH OUT TO OTHER MEN AND WOMEN. BUT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE ANGER THAT EXISTS AND BLOCKS THE INFORMATION. BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE ABLE TO BEFRIEND AND BE ABLE TO BREAK THROUGH EVENTUALLY. >> Guest: THEY ARE VILIFIED FOR DOING IT. THEY PUT THE RATIONALIZATION AT RISKS IN THE LIVES OF THE ACTIVE HOMOSEXUALS OR LESBIANS. AND THOSE PEOPLE GET VERY ANGRY AT THEM BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEM IN TERMS OF THE GUILT. AND THEY FEEL, IF THERE'S SOMETHING, THE RATIONALIZATION WILL COLLAPSE. >> Fr. Pacwa: WHERE ARE YOU FROM? WHAT'S YOUR COMMENT OR QUESTION? >> Voice: I'M FROM SHELBY MICHIGAN. AND I HAVE A COMMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU EXPOUND ON. WHAT ABOUT THE RAPID MORAL DECLINE. JUST RAPID IN MY LIFETIME. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT THAT I THINK THAT MARY HAS PROPHESIED TO US, TO PRAY THE ROSARY. AND THE ROSARY IS GOING TO LEAD US TO THE TRUTH. AND IT INCREASES VIRTUE AND DECREASE VICE AND WITH IT, THE TRUTH. >> Fr. Pacwa: I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. IN FACT, SOME OF THE MEN THAT I WORK WITH IN PRISON, IT'S THROUGH PRAYING THE ROSARY THAT GETS THEM TO CHANGE TOWARD A SELL BAIT AND CHASTE LIFE. AND THEY SAY IT WAS THE ROSARY THAT DOES IT. AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. HOW HAS THIS HAPPENED? >> Guest: I HAVE A SHORT ANSWER. THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION. THINK THAT'S THE, JUST AS OUR FOUNDERS SAID, THE FAMILY WAS THE ESSENTIAL INSTITUTION, PRE POLITICAL INSTITUTION OF OUR SOCIETY. AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE FAMILY WOULD BE THE SOURCE OF THE SURVIVAL OF OUR INSTITUTIONS. SO, EATING AWAY OF THE FAMILY THROUGH INFIDELITY, THROUGH ABORTIONS, THROUGH UNWED PARENTHOOD, AND 40% OF CHILDREN ARE BORN TO SINGLE MOTHERS. >> Fr. Pacwa: MORE THAN 40. AND THAT'S A CHANGE FROM JUST 1940, WHEN IT WAS JUST 4%. AND 1960, WAS 5%. AND TODAY, IT'S CLOSER TO 45%! >> Guest: SO AS PRESIDENT REAGAN OFTEN SAID, THERE IS NO GOOD CAN BE ACHIEVED UNLESS IT IS A SPIRITUAL GOOD. >> Fr. Pacwa: YES. >> Guest: SO, I SAY, AMEN TO THE ROSARY. >> Fr. Pacwa: YES. AND LIVING OUR CATHOLIC LIFE. USING THE CATHOLIC TRADITION OF THINKING THROUGH ISSUES BY KNOWING MORE AND MORE, USING LOGIC AND THEN MAKING, YOU KNOW, BY THE GRACE OF GOD A DECISION TO DO WHAT IS VIRTUOUS, HOLY, AND GOOD. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. SO AGAIN, I WANTED TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, I FOUND YOUR BOOK. I READ THE FIRST EDITION. AND THE SECOND EDITION HAS A LITTLE AFTERWARD IN IT TO GIVE FURTHER INFORMATION. AND IT'S CALLED MAKING GAY OKAY. WE WOULD URGE YOU TO GET THAT FROM OUR WEB SITE, ewtnRC.com. AND YOU CAN CALL THEM AT 1-800-854-6316. BECOME INFORMED ON ALL LEVELS OF THIS. AGAIN, THANK YOU AND MAY ALMIGHTY GOD BLESS YOU, ALL OF YOU, KEEP YOU AND CAUSE HIS FACE TO SHINE UPON YOU, LEAD YOU BY HIS JOY INTO THE FULLNESS OF HIS TRUTH. IN THE FATHER, SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. AMEN. AGAIN, WE CAN DO THIS PROGRAM AND ALL OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE DO ONLY BECAUSE YOU MAKE IT POSSIBLE. SO, BECAUSE MOTHER SET UP THIS NETWORK TO BE BROUGHT TO YOU BY YOU, WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE REMEMBER TO KEEP US IN BETWEEN YOUR GAS BILL, ELECTRIC BILL, AND CABLE BILL AND GOD WILLING, WE'LL KEEP PAYING ALL OF OUR BILLS, TOO. THANK YOU, AND GOOD NIGHT. [APPLAUSE] ♪
