Ethnic Gnosticism | Dr. Voddie Baucham

when I received my assignment for this evening I was a little perplexed and shocked and a bit nervous as my dearly beloved brother asked me to address in this session essentially a word that I made up literally I coined a word a phrase a concept ethnic Gnosticism and then use that phrase during an interview with another dear brother James white who has since been using the word and so tonight what I want to do is just sort of share what what I intended by that word and why I think it's helpful in sort of shedding a light on some at least some of the things that we're dealing with we know that Gnosticism comes from the Greek word for gnosis or knowledge that then the Gnostic heresy was one that was around in the first century Gnosticism is about a special knowledge it's about immediate knowledge and when I say immediate knowledge I don't mean right now knowledge I mean knowledge that doesn't have to be mediated through a source knowledge that doesn't have to be mediated through the Word of God immediate knowledge intuitive knowledge a knowledge that separates insiders from outsiders that is the idea of Gnosticism and I use that phrase ethnic Gnosticism to sort of explain the phenomenon of people believing that somehow because of one's ethnicity that one is able to know when something is racist I remember back in the 90s I think there was a saying it's a black thing you wouldn't understand right in the idea is that you know if I go to a restaurant and I sit down at the restaurant and somebody looks at me a certain way or if I'm shopping in a store and the clerk looks at me a certain way or if I'm pulled over by a police officer and the police officer addresses me in a certain way I know when it's racism and you can't tell me it's not and even if you do or say something to me I know if it's racism and you can't tell me it's not and in fact if you do something or say something to me and I know that it's racism and then you come back and say well no that's not what I meant that's just your privilege speaking because according to the concept of white privilege you don't know what you don't know how about that you don't know what you don't know but I do that's ethnic Gnosticism that this idea that somehow because of my ethnicity because of my position as a minority I know what oppression is and feels like and don't have to necessarily have evidence for it and because of other people's position of not being minorities and not being oppressed they actually oppress people without thinking about it and without knowing it they have privileged that they're not even aware of and literally the phrase is you don't know what you don't know so you have to be taught how racist you are but nobody has to teach me when you're racist that's ethnic Gnosticism and it's a problematic idea it is routed I would argue in cultural Marxism that reduces everything to race class sex and gender that dafaq excuse me that divides people up not like classical Marxism that divides people up into the bourgeois and the proletariat between the haves and the have-nots between those who who control means of production and those who don't control means of production but in cultural Marxism you divide the world between those who establish and benefit from the cultural hegemony and everyone else who is oppressed by it because for one reason or another they are not part of that dominant group this idea is rooted in that and it's not just a black-white thing this idea of ethnic Gnosticism goes beyond that because if if a transgender person you guys understand the difference between transgender transsexual and all you got all of this downright transgender just means that you know my body is one way and my my feelings are another transsexual means I go under the knife to do something about it okay and so if I am you know a trans person and I'm in a store and somebody looks at me a certain way I know when you're judging me for that if I am a homosexual person I know when you are judging and oppressing me for that if I am a woman I know when you are oppressing or judging me for the fact that I am a woman because being in these particular groups and going through life and experiencing these things over and over and over again puts one in a situation where you just know and being in a dominant group where you don't have to worry about such things but you in a setting in situation where you literally don't know what you don't know you are a racist bigoted homophobic transphobic everything else phobic person that you could possibly bleep possibly be whether you're aware of it or not whether you belong to Christ or you don't because apparently Christ can transform us and deal with all other sorts of sins but this one this one somehow evades the cross and all people whether they're Christian or not are still suffering from this one also this idea is rooted in cultural Marxism because it's based on the concept that my identity is determined by the group to which I belong that that is the major essence of my identity my my my group it could be my ethnicity it could be my gender it could be my you know so-called sexual orientation it could be any of these things but but that is the essence of who I am and finally my identity is understood in the context of our struggle this idea of our shared cultural experience and identity media portrayals have a great deal to do with this and it's interesting because it's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy so I am part of a particular group say for me you know I'm a black person and I'm born into my culture I'm born into my ethnicity born into my environment and my family sort of shapes my understanding of Who I am but also when I see images of myself in the media that can also positively or negatively the shape who I think I am and we know that portrayals in the media are always accurate stereotypes stereotypes this is another big part of it and stereotypes are a normal part of life with our children the other day and you know walking with the the seven youngest children and my you know looks at them and seeing him before and talking about how big they're getting and you know as a they playing sports and no actually they're they're they're all musicians they're all really concentrating on music right now not doing this where it's a high looks like you ought to have a basketball team now I'll say that and I see some of you shaking your heads right because you're thinking stereotype right you're thinking it's racist right it was a black family member now let me ask you the next question why is it that a black family member can say that to me and it's not racist but if a white person said it to me do you see what I'm saying this is the problem that we run into here and and and what's the determining factor the determining factor is me because I know this is the problem with ethnic Gnosticism I know not only do I know but you don't know and you can say until you're blue in the face that you didn't mean it that way but if I received it that way then I get to the right to determine that that's what it was do you see what this does to us because on the one hand this is about trusting your heart Jeremiah 17:9 says the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately sick who can understand it I can't understand my own heart and I'm gonna tell you what's in yours but this is precisely what we're prone to do now as I say this let me hurry to acknowledge a couple of things that ethnicity is not a bad thing cultures not a bad thing nationality not a bad thing these are good and natural connections ethnic and national identity is both good and important and I need to hurry to say this because some some of my dearest friends and brothers um in fact some who you know what were probably some who were signers of the document with us would want to argue for being colorblind and I say that dog won't hunt number one because nobody is and number two because it is an affront to God God didn't give me all this rich beautiful melanin so that you could act like I don't have it Amen somebody and it is wrong for me to judge you for not having as much God did this people God did this and it's a good and natural thing that God has done for us to say that we want to be color blind is for us to say I don't care about the variety of color of roses there are as far as I'm concerned God just made a rose why did he bother to make him all those different colors if he did praise him for it amen and I know I know what we're trying to say when we say that I know what we're what we're what we're trying to get at when we talk about being color blind but if I'm going to say on the one hand let's be careful about using the terminology of social justice then I have to also be even-handed and on the other hand say let's be careful about using terminologies like being colorblind because that's not right it's not possible number one and it's not right um I'm Cobb I know and I love it because when people say that when people say you know I'm colorblind and I don't see color immediately they start giving you evidence and what's the evidence the evidence is that I have friends who are this color and I have friends who are that color now I'll have how do you know that if you don't see but what we're trying to say is something different something good and something important but let's say that we'll get to that what is so good about it ethnic and national identity is a conduit for culture and tradition and that's important that's good how many know when we leave and we go on vacation if you leaving you go on vacation and you travel to another country when you leave and go on a vacation and travel to another country you come back with pictures usually it's not pictures of the things that are exactly like the culture and tradition at home usually you want to show people the beauty of the culture and tradition that you saw over there that is not like your own huh and that's a good thing amen this whole colorblind idea runs us away from that ethnic and national identity teaches us dependence and humility how so no single group possesses all the good amen I belong to a group that has strengths and I belong to a group that has weaknesses I look at other groups of people who are strong where I may be weak and who may be weak where I'm strong and and I learn dependency and humility by learning that no single group possesses all knowledge praise God for that you know one of the great things about America is that unlike most of the world and again this is something that has just come crashing down on me living in Zambia this I live in a very heterogeneous culture most of the world is very heterogeneous in most countries in the world people are of the same ethnicity and the same background and the same culture they they they look alike in the Olympics right when you see the Olympics you know the people from this country like that the people of my country they look like that that's most of the world and then here's America we got people who look like everybody else's country and one of the greatnesses of America is how highest and best from cultures all around the world come together to make a higher and better that's good I don't want to live in a world where we ignore that it's not right to live in a world where we ignore that that's good if the conventional identity teaches Providence teaches Providence every culture every nationality every ethnicity has a history that they can trace but my ethnicity teaches me about Providence knowing who I come from how we got here and how by God's grace we survived that teaches me about the Providence of God I've been living and serving in Africa for the last three and a half years and I've been reminded almost every day it's amazing that my ancestors were torn away from that continent and experienced the horrors of slavery and now I was born in the center of the universe and the greatest nation that has ever existed in the history of the world and the healthiest wealthiest most educated most prosperous black people on planet Earth are in America whereas on this planet you black people want to go and live that's better than this what what is that that's Providence people Providence would anyone have chosen that path absolutely not but you look back on it and see Providence if you ignore culture and ethnicity you don't see Providence you learn about the consequences of sin important lesson to learn about the multi-generational consequences of sin and by the way let me just put a pin here and and say this because I think this is a lesson that we need to learn and if we're not careful again we talked about the tribalism and the way that we're addressing all of these issues and everybody who's been up here has acknowledged the fact that there are great issues and ills and evils and all of these other things that that need to be addressed but please don't miss this one of the reasons that we are going through what we're going through right now is because to quote Malcolm X yeah I'm about to quote Malcolm X air jerks America's chickens have come home to roost there is great sin in our history atrocities that have been committed against people in this country and you don't get to do that and not have consequences later on down the line let's not miss that when we talk about this let's not let the only thing that we do when we talk to our children about this is say yeah yeah these people are using you know this language and they're talking about these issues and they're making this everything and then you don't you yet that may be true but it's also true that what we're dealing with today is the fruit of horrible sins and atrocities and you don't have to be a social justice warrior to acknowledge that amen but ethnic and national identity is not everything it's important but it's not everything so so how do we handle this how do how do we balance this I think we have an example look with me in Romans chapter 9 and let's look briefly here and talk about a better way the group Paul says in Romans chapter 9 beginning verse 1 I'm speaking the truth in Christ I'm not lying my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart for I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers my kinsmen according to the flesh I love my people that's what Paul saying here my kinsmen according to the flesh Paul is not saying I'm colorblind ethnicity means nothing to me I'm a citizen of the kingdom of Christ and I don't even think about those people anymore that's wrong that's not biblical that's wrong he speaks in the most passionate terms imaginable about the group to which he by God's grace and by God's providence belongs it matters it's important it's important and and here's the ears the great irony the great irony is there are people who [Music] don't understand this when they see it in certain minority groups but then when you ask them about their family they can tell you what percentage Scottish and what Scottish and what percentage Irish and you know what boat their ancestors came over on and all of these wonderful things right hold on to that but don't hold on to that and then tell me to forgive my ethnicity amen somebody ethnic Gnosticism is broken and sinful and and and I'm here to speak against it but I don't want you to get confused and think that somehow I'm arguing that one's ethnicity is unimportant Paul makes this painfully clear how much more most I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers my kinsmen according to the flesh you don't get more passionate than that and then look at what he says they are Israelites and to them belong the adoption the glory the covenants the giving of the law the worship and the promises to them belong the patriarchs and from their race according to the flesh is Christ who is God over all blessed forever Amen so now he's specific not only this group of individuals but what what is he so passionate about what this group of individuals and he looks at Providence the Providence he's not saying merely our skin color merely our geographic location merely our oh it's more than that but then there are limits to this connection and I love the fact that it's not an either-or look with me beginning in verse six but it is not as though the Word of God has failed that's just hmm because you might think that right that I I love these people and my kinsmen and all I want is them and Allah God what have you done how have you know it's not as though the Word of God has failed for not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring but through Isaac shall your offspring be named this means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God but the children of the promise are counted as offspring our connection to Christ is more important amen our connection to Christ is more important there's a ditch on both sides of the road folks there's a ditch on the side of the road that tries to act colorblind and act like ethnicity doesn't matter and act like ethnicity is unimportant and there's a ditch on the other side of the road that says it's everything and that we start there and not with the cross there's a ditch on both sides of the road and this is the huge problem with ethnic Gnosticism or at least one of them so what what is the danger what does this do and the time that we have what does this do and one I think it compromises genuine relationships I alluded to this earlier the fact that there has been a a false unity that has been exposed through these controversies and people who you know or were brothers from another mother and now this comes up and if you say the wrong thing or come down on the wrong side of a particular issue all of a sudden you you are an affable that's not genuine relationships and listen even down on that micro level if I assume that I can read your heart and you have to assume you don't know what you don't know we've created a relationship that is imbalanced that hinders our intimacy I mean think about that who wants that relationship with someone where you to to the best of your ability or are loving this person but if the wrong thing slides out of your mouth at the wrong time that you in all sincerity meant to be a blessing and they determined that regardless of what you think about it this is what it actually was and it is an affront to me and a sin against God Himself what kind of relationship is that and I'm seeing it all over the place I get email several times a week from people pastors church members leaders of ministries who for years for decades have been faithful who are found to hold the wrong position on some case in the media or who are found to not think highly enough about some particular approach to a social justice issue and now all of a sudden you're done you're done will remove you like a monument in the southern university we're done we're not even sure Jonathan Edwards was a Christian anymore literally literally this hinders genuine relationships when we can't be honest with each other where we are not free-to-air that's not a genuine relationship and ethnic Gnosticism is destroying genuine relationships secondly this idea of guilt and innocence being inherited this idea that because of who your parents were you've inherited guilt or you've inherited innocence that white people can't not be racist and black people can't be racist yeah because you know the modern definition of racism for instance plus power what's the power the power is the cultural hegemony if you are not part of the cultural hegemony then you technically can't be a racist how about that how about that so a predominantly white church that doesn't have black members is in sin but a predominantly black church that doesn't have white members is it just is one of those groups needs to repent and sackcloth and ashes and the other there's nothing wrong John McWhorter calls this the religion of racialism comes along with what I talked about earlier this idea of tokenism and suspicions you have no I like black preachers in reformed evangelical circles right now are commodities and the question is not this guy is it this is at this conference is is is he worth hearing this guy is at this conference ah why'd they get that guy Tom alluded earlier to statement that was made by Matt Chandler at MLK 50 where Matt just openly in in one of his presentations talked about their desire in their church planting to have black leaders of their church plants and said if I have to choose between a white guy who's an 8 and a black guy who's a seven I'm gonna take the black guy that's tokenism that's tokenism and Matt was speaking out of a passionate desire to see reconciliation let me use that one example what I'm talking about here cuz again one person's social justice is another person's atrocity I I went to school at the University of Oxford in England some people think I went to Oxford because I'm pretentious but I did the last year of my deman at Southeastern as the first year of the DPhil at Oxford not that I didn't just want to get a second doctoral degree oh it wasn't that they're just not a glutton for whatever but but why Oxford do you know one of the main reasons that I did that is because if I left the United States and went to a school in the UK no one could accuse the institution of granting me my degree because of tokenism or affirmative action I was sick and tired of the assumptions that people make because of this attitude that says your skin color makes you the weaker brother and we have to lower the standard for you and again Matt would Matt would never say that Matt would never intend that but to many that's exactly what he said and here's the interesting thing if you are saying that in the midst of your penance over your white privilege you get a pass because of this religion of racialism listen to this from John McWhorter if you don't know John McWhorter you need to know John McWhorter an article that he wrote entitled atonement as activism and it's it's it's a bit lengthy but I think you'll understand why it's worth it it's several things I want to lift from this and just listen to what he says this brand of self-flagellation has become the new form of enlightenment on race issues it qualifies as a kind of worship the parallels with Christianity are almost uncannily rich white privilege is the secular white person's original sin present at birth and ultimately in a radical one does one's penance by endlessly attesting to this privilege in hope of some kind of forgiveness this new cult of atonement is less about black people than white people that's the great irony fifty years ago a white person learning about the race problem came away asking how can I help today the same person too often comes away asking how can I show that I'm a moral person another problem is that I'm not sure that today's educated whites quite understand how unattainable the absolution they are seeking is you'll never be sorry enough we have gone from most White's being unaware that racism was a problem for black people at all to whites being chilled to their bones at the possibility of harboring racism in their souls terrified at the prospect of being singled out as a heretic and forgetting that the indulgences they purchase and the praying they do for their souls has more to do with them than with anyone black irony of ironies we're being driven farther apart by this this this idea that you don't know what you don't know and and don't tell me because I know don't try to explain yourself because I know I talked about it earlier people who have been for decades serving their communities loving their brothers and sisters who all of a sudden run into the religion of racialism I don't I don't care about that I don't I don't care about that I don't care that you have been marching at abortion clinics for two decades because of the slaughter of black babies I want to know how sorry you are about the latest issue and it's never enough those aren't genuine relationships that will never lead to genuine relationships because in genuine relationship I have to be free I have to freedom I've got to be free to be wrong and have you love me and and correct me and not just dismiss my whole person I mean because essentially what's happening in many circles is that there are people who regardless of what it is that they've done regardless of who it is that they've been if they slip up on one of these issues you quote the wrong person you come down on the wrong side of an issue and all of a sudden the rest of your life does it matter you've just proved and all of that was a lie because you my friend are a racist and racism is the new unpardonable sin this was on display at MLK 50 Martin Luther King a serial adulterer who denied essential tenets of the Christian faith where people were now arguing he was okay that Edwards though that Edwards schools uh naming things that were named for Jonathan Edwards why cuz he owned slaves and that is an unpardonable sin but here's my thing I have quoted Jonathan Edwards I have quoted Martin Luther King junior why because here's where I'm not willing to go I won't and I can't live in a world where before I can quote a right and true statement by someone I have to retrace their life to make sure that I am confident that they went to heaven when they died huh Gandhi said some stuff that's true amen but not today today where we stand there is a new unpardonable sin and those who are presumed guilty of that unpardonable sin must be dismissed must be castigated must be torn down must be done away with now you put these two things together that is the unpardonable sin that undoes everything else that you've done and by the way in order to be declared guilty of it somebody just needs to feel like that's what you meant and are we there yet by God's grace we're not but it is foreseeable is it not there are great ills great sins great problems great wrongs that need to be rectified all that's true God has given us a way to deal with those things to rectify those things he's given us his all sufficient word to deal with those things let us trust the Word of God not our feelings not our inclinations not our own personal assumptions or assertions but the Word of God let us do what the book says and I'll leave you with this if I speak with tongues of men and angels but have not love I'm a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal and if I have prophetic powers and understand all mysteries and all knowledge and if I have all faith so as to remove mountains but have not love I am nothing if I give away all I have and if I deliver up my body to be burned but have not love I gain nothing listen it is and I here's what I want you to do I want you to listen to this for you because this is another great irony of ethnic Gnosticism another great irony is that sometimes and it's I'm just speaking for myself sometimes I feel like I'm being robbed of my sanctification what I mean by that what I mean by that is if these issues that we're dealing with that are now you know at the forefront if these issues are only about the hearts of white people that need to be made right then the stuff in me doesn't get dealt with and I want you to know that as I as I'm reading this I I'm I'm reading this for me and I'm asking myself what does this mean for you when a white brother says something that that is offensive what do you do do you fold your arms and wait for him to be sorry what do you do what does a a non black person do if if they run into ethnic Gnosticism and feel like it's not fair what do you do the answer is here love is patient and kind love does not envy or boast it is not arrogant or rude it does not insist on its own way it is not irritable or resentful it does not rejoice in wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth love bears all things believes all things hopes all things endures all things that's what my book says not if you happen to say something that offends me I now have the right to not be bound by this amen that's me reading this for me and I'm saying you read this for you who because I'm afraid that what's happened is we sort of faced off on these issues and have dismissed one another in many ways and in many instances and and and we can't we can't do that not if we believe this not if we believe this so let us speak to the great ills and evils and sins of our day let us proclaim and trust in the gospel of Christ above all else and let us never ever forget that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and that we are all in desperate need of His grace and that none of us is exempt let's pray

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Length: 50min 23sec (3023 seconds)

Published: Thu Mar 28 2019

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[u/natestarr98]

“Ethnic Gnosticism” by Voddie Baucham

[u/TheNerdChaplain]

The son in law of Voddie Baucham, who is somewhat representative of this kind of position, posted a good set of questions to follow up to his father in law, for people who share this video.

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Am I posting this to shut down all conversations on race?

Given the current climate, why am I okay posting this without offering additional commentary so that it's clear what I'm saying and not saying?

Does the topic of racism make me uncomfortable? If so, why? (See a related link here.)

Am I hoping that my black brothers and sisters will be convinced by Voddie because he's black?

Am I assuming that it's impossible to largely agree with Voddie AND still discuss racism or do I think they hold these positions or talk about racism because they're ignorant?

Have I ever considered that many pro-lifers in the black community may not be as vocal about abortion because of how organized and powerful the movement already is but notice that the church is largely silent on the militarization of police and the criminal justice system which primarily affects the black community? (Abortion affects all communities while the justice system problems most negatively affect black/brown communities.)

Have I ever considered the fact that Voddie's son-in-law and daughter talk about racism, justice, and black identity (his daughter wrote a whole book), and Voddie endorsed the book? (See the comments for Voddie's endorsement of the book.) Is it possible that I'm misapplying Voddie's words in this context?

Do I assume the black community doesn't talk about black on black crime and if so, what proof do I have to back that up? Or am I trusting the ratings-driven media to tell me or my few black friend's opinions/timelines to form my opinion of the black community's actions? (Facts: A few black friends that aren't a good data sample according to any analyst that cares about the truth. Furthermore, black people are not a monolith and have no reason to bring up these conversations with you as it's a sensitive subject in multi-ethnic circles.)

Have I taken time to humbly listen to other voices that have sound doctrine even though they may disagree with the views I've adopted?

Am I capable of learning from non-Christians due to common grace or am I incapable of thinking for myself and do I only read a list of approved books by my pastor or idealogical camp's influencers? And if so, what if racism is my camp's blind spot and because I haven't taken time to think for myself how will I be held accountable for spreading things I don't understand?

What if all of my friends started posting a sermon by Dr. Ligon Duncan, a white Southerner, in response to your Voddie sermon with zero context? (I'm not inferring that their views conflict. See the comments for links.)

Would I listen to Dr. Duncan's sermon?

If not, why not?

If yes, did I think Dr. Duncan's exposition and his application was mostly faithful to the text? (Personally, I think we have a bigger problem if you don't.)

If yes, why is it possible for me to be silent on race yet appreciate Ligon's sermon but think it's impossible for others to talk about race and appreciate (or even agree) with Voddie's sermon?

Do I think it's possible for someone to have concerns about cultural marxism and critical race theory yet still think it's important to talk about racism and partiality?

Do I believe the only biblical option is to be silent or minimalist at best about the topic of racism?

If I believe racism exists but is only a minor problem in the church or for minority people, does the fact that it's a small problem makes it less important to God?

If I think the solution to racism is the just "preach the Gospel" have I faithfully applied this logic to other justice issues? (i.e. abortion)

[u/timk85]

"Jeremiah 17:9 says the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately sick, who can understand it – I don't even understand my own heart but I'm going to tell you what's in yours?"

My goodness, if only this sentiment was adopted more fully by us all.

[u/TheUnderkingHall]

Good stuff

[u/logonomicon]

So, creating and condemning this category doesn't seem very persuasive to me. At the root of what he's condemning is the assumption that people who have to deal with something regularly know more about it than people who don't. That seems like an obvious truism to me, but at the least I would hope we would all take it as plausible. People in rural areas dislike it when city-bred government officials come around and tell them what's best for their land, because those people have lived on that land and have insight into what's going on. An electrician is going to know more about why someone's light is flickering than I would. Even if I'm really smart and have thought it out and have an explanation that is persuasive and internally consistent logically, the flickering light is best explained by the electrician.

I don't see a particularly strong argument here for why racism would be very different. If an electrician tells me "your wiring is bad and you're going to cause a fire if you don't fix it" I'm probably going to ask for another opinion, sure, but I'm also not going to trust my own experience of things being fine. But petulantly demanding evidence wouldn't really resolve much, either, because I'd be poorly equipped to understand the evidence that was presented, let alone judge whether the evidence pointed in the direction they said.

Most Black people assert, with arguments that grow more persuasive the more I learn, that racism exists systemically today. The fact that people who deal with that racism on a daily basis know more about it than me is entirely reasonable and predictable. It seems strange that we would accept that people can have whole kinds of knowledge specialized to their experiences and education, but deny that such a thing is ever possible with racial and ethnic experiences.

Calling this idea culturally Marxist doesn't do anything to establish or disestablish that it is true, though I'd argue that the idea as I'm presenting it and as most people describe it is much more post-positivist than Marxist, but whatever. I dislike the idea that we should expect all information to be available to neutral, rational outsiders just using reason and evidence. While we're playing with the genetic fallacy, that's the foundational assumption of Enlightenment Liberalism, and I don't think it serves as an adequate epistemological basis for church life.

[u/nanobot93]

Just watched this the other day. Very good for us to hear especially nowadays.

[u/sleepyj222]

Thank you. I'll watch it again.

[u/saltybeefchunk]

Absolutely the best man to talk about this topic

[u/HubbiAnn]

I met Pt Holmes - Baucham’s son in law - before I got in touch with his theology on ethnicity. On twitter, all parts (including Jasmine Holmes, Baucham’s daughter) have been in a constant back and forth on the subject, on BLM, on the place of racial theory on reformed theology... all in good discourse.

The same cannot be said for people using Baucham’s preaching to confront other black christians - it got to a point where people tried to police his own daughter’s use of his name and ideas. Let’s see how this all develops hence forward, I think this is an important and fundamental time for the US church.