What is Epicureanism and is it compatible with Stoicism?

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If you’ve read or listened to much Stoic  literature you’ll have heard of Epicurus   and Epicureanism, usually in a negative  light. In this video I want to explain   as clearly as possible what Epicureanism is,  consider whether it’s at odds with Stoicism,   and give some suggestions on how to  productively view it from a Stoic perspective. Epicureanism is technically a hedonistic  philosophy, it teaches that the highest   good is pleasure, but pleasure achieved through  freedom from pain* and tranquillity of mind**   rather than through the types of sensual desires  that we commonly associate with Hedonism***. “When, therefore, we maintain  that pleasure is the end,   we do not mean the pleasures of profligates  and those that consist in sensuality,   as is supposed by some who are  either ignorant or disagree with us   or do not understand, but freedom from pain in  the body and from trouble in the mind.” Epicurus In practice therefore a true Epicurean life  usually entails self-discipline, simple living   and the maintenance of strong friendships. Look  up the word Epicurean in the dictionary however   and you’ll see its modern usage  is almost the exact opposite. Just like Stoicism its colloquial meaning has  drifted over the millennia, however unlike   Stoicism this drift is largely the result of a  deliberate mischaracterization by early scholars. Before diving into the weeds, let’s do a  high-level comparison of both Stoicism and   Epicureanism, for those of you with short  attention spans, this is the TLDR version. The Virtues, in the eyes of Epicureanism the  virtues are only good in so far as they help   you attain pleasure and happiness, but  they are not good in and of themselves  To the Stoics the virtues are the sole goods,   specifically, Wisdom, Justice, Fortitude  and Temperance. They are their own rewards,   and the fact that they tend to lead to  a happy life is an incidental benefit.  Pleasure: Meaning comfort, wealth  and lack of pain. In the eyes of   Epicureanism pleasure is the highest good,  it is what we should seek for a happy life.   True pleasure is achieved through the elimination  of pain and fear. To that end it is characterized   by: sufficient food, a comfortable dwelling,  peaceful relationships and temperance.  To the Stoics, pleasure, wealth and lack of pains  are ‘preferred indfferents’, it’s better to have   them than to not, but a good life can be lead  without them. They sometimes also argue we need to   encounter hardships in life to test and strengthen  ourselves, as well as to practice our virtues.  The Gods: To Epicureans maybe they exist, but  they are indifferent to us. Do not fear them,   as fear disrupts tranquillity. To the  Stoics, they exist and impact our lives,   nature is designed by Zeus, therefore  some degree of divine providence exists.   “We are like a little appendage of Zeus,  and who is an appendage to question   the plans of the whole body?” (Epictetus) Superstition, magic and divination. To the   Epicureans these are false. They are also sources  of fear, and since fear disrupts our happiness   they should be actively avoided. The  Stoics agreed that these were false.  On a cursory glance then Epicureanism places  pleasure above virtue and Stoicism does the   opposite, and Epicureanism ignores God and  religion, whilst Stoicism teaches that a   divine creator continues to impact  the world and should be revered.  Given these pretty fundamental differences it’s  easy to see where the animosity comes from. Now if all you want is to understand the  difference then you can stop right here.   But if you wish to understand why Epicureanism has  been so maligned and what it can still teach us,   then listen on as we take a deeper  look at its history and teachings.  “Stranger, you would do good to stay a while,  for here the highest good is pleasure...”  First to the history Epicurus was born in 341 BC,   grew up on the Greek island of Samos and  studied under a follower of Democritus*.   He did his military service at 18,  spent a number of years traveling   and then began teaching philosophy  in Mytilene at about the age of 30  In 306 BC he returned to Athens and founded  what came to be known as his “Garden”, a   place of recluse where he taught and lived out his  philosophy with close friends and students. It is   above the entrance to this Garden that the famous  quote referenced by Seneca, is said to have hung.  During Epicurus’ life Epicureanism and Stoicism  both grew in popularity and became dominant   philosophies of the age. Epicureanism reached  its height around 70 BC and while popular in   Rome it did draw more criticism than Stoicism  due to its teachings being seen to run counter   to the Roman ideal of the manly virtues*. Later it came under sustained attack from   Christian scholars due its heretical views  on God and the soul, which could not be   reconciled with Christianity. Epikoros is even  the Jewish term for heretic used in the Mishnah   (part of the Oral Torah composed between 200 and  220 AD), and “Epicurus [and] all his followers”   make an appearance in Dante’s Inferno in the sixth  level of hell, the one reserved for heretics.  “Their cemetery have upon this side ⁠With Epicurus all his followers,  ⁠Who with the body, mortal make the soul” - Dante’s Inferno, Canto 10 (1200 AD)  By the early middle-ages  Epicureanism had faded completely,   with Epicurus being considered a patron  of drunkards, whoremongers and gluttons.   It wasn’t until the 15th century that some of  his texts resurfaced, and not until the 17th   century that Enlightenment thinkers began to  take an active interest in reviving his ideas.  Here’s Thomas Jefferson writing  to William Short in 1819  “As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurean.  I consider the genuine (not the imputed*)   doctrines of Epicurus as containing  everything rational in moral philosophy   which Greece and Rome have left us.” –Thomas  Jefferson, Letter to William Short, 1819*  In contrast Stoicism was broadly embraced by  Christianity and remained in Europe to some   degree until its modern-day revival What about Epicurus’ Other Works?  It bares mentioning that philosophy aside,  Epicurus also took a wide interest in the   study of science and nature in general. Whilst  living in his Garden he is said (by Diogenes)   to have written some 300 treatises on topics  ranging from the theory of knowledge to physics,   astronomy, and language. As an example  a few of the things he wrote about were: The atom That the Universe is infinite  That the Universe is not completely  deterministic at the atomic scale   but contains elements of uncertainty and  probability (referred to as “swerve” by Epicurus)  That Platonic forms were nonsense, and  that properties like sweetness or colour   were not present in individual atoms but were  emergent properties as atoms came together.  How the mind is a physical organ and  that our spirit is destroyed at death  The idea of a Social Contract  as a basis of justice  The formulation of ‘The Problem  of Evil’ argument, that is:   Evil exists because God either is unwilling to  stop it, is unable to stop it, or doesn’t exist)  References to the idea of ‘God of the Gaps’  arguments; that things like lightning and   earthquakes were not signs of the gods, but  rather naturally occurring events, explainable   if we simply study the natural world enough. And that we could through the study of science,   emancipate ourselves from irrational fears  and even develop a science of happiness.  In a sense Epicurus was akin to an early  Humanist or even New Atheist in his outlook,   and Epicureanism as a philosophy finds  most followers among such circles today.  But nowow let’s take a deeper  look at Epicurean Philosophy  Epicureanism holds pleasure as its highest good,  and Epicurus separated pleasures into two sorts:   those that were active and those that were static.  An active or Kinetic pleasure is felt when  one is in the process of performing an action,   such as satisfying a desire or  removing a pain, for example eating.  But after you finish eating you will be in a  state of contentment, you will feel satiated   and satisfied. This static state Epicurus  referred to as a Katastematic pleasure. Epicurus appreciated the kinetic pleasures but is  said to have valued the Katastematic sort more.   To him achieving an absence of pain  and a lack of disturbance of mind   was what led to true happiness.  “The magnitude of pleasure reaches  its limit in the removal of all pain.”  Among pleasure and pain,  Epicurus also differentiated   between the physical and the mental. Physical pleasures and pains concern only   the present, whereas mental pleasures and pains  also encompass the past (think fond memories or   regret over past mistakes) and the future (that is  to say confidence or fear about what will occur). Now Katastematic pleasures come  in both physical and mental forms.  Physically when free from physical disturbances,  such as hunger, thirst or ill health.  And Mentally when free from negative  thoughts such as fear and worry.  Achieving freedom from physical  disturbance was referred to as   aponia, and achieving freedom from mental  disturbance was referred to as ataraxia. Since Katastematic pleasures require the  satisfying of desires and alleviating of fears,   Epicurus set about defining and categorizing  the types of desire we experience. He divided them into three groups: 1. Natural and Necessary:  2. Natural and Unnecessary: 3. Unnatural and Unnecessary (the vain desires):  He said we should pursue the first,  be open to but cautious of the second   and avoid completely the third. Natural and Necessary desires are things such  as food, water and human company – These are   difficult to eliminate but easily satisfied  and bring great pleasure when they are.   What’s more they are usually necessary for life  or at least for a happy life. For this reason,   we should always try to fulfil these desires as it  is only in satisfying them that we reach Aponia. Natural and Unnecessary desires are things like  luxurious food, fine clothes or sex – These are   not necessary for life, and also not always easy  to satisfy. They are kinetically pleasurable,   however they present a katastematic risk in that  the more we indulge in them the more of a habit we   build around consuming them, then should they ever  become unavailable we risk losing our tranquillity   due to an unfulfilled unnecessary desire. Ultimately Epicurus’ advice is to be open   to them but to definitely avoid  becoming accustomed to them.  (Incidentally this is similar to the Stoic  position which generally emphasises simple living,   but also says not to be afraid of using  luxuries when they happen to be available) Finally, the Unnatural and Unnecessary  desires are things like: Power,   wealth and fame - These are the vain desires, not  natural to human beings but conditioned into us   by society. They are unnecessary and difficult  to satisfy because they have no natural limit;   for example, if one chases after power, no  amount of power will ever be enough as it’s   always possible to get more. Further, even as we  achieve them, we gain with them not only the fear   of losing what we have gained, which manifests as  a mental pain, but also the anger and animosity of   those around us who now envy our position. As such they are unnecessary, insatiable   and lead to pain and fear if achieved,  consequently they are to be utterly avoided.  "If you live according to nature, you will  never be poor; if you live according to opinion,   you will never be rich." Or, in the words of Seneca:  “Nature's wants are slight; the  demands of opinion are boundless.” Following these definitions, it can be  tempting to think of Epicurus as an Ascetic,   someone who believes in the denouncement of all  worldly possessions in favour of spiritual goals,   but he was not quite that extreme.* “There is also a limit in simple living,   and he who fails to understand this falls  into an error as great as that of the man   who gives way to extravagance.” – Epicurus Epicurus’ position revolved around minimizing   sources of pain not in eliminating all sources  of pleasure or all physical possessions.   If eliminating something caused more pain  than it alleviated, what was the point? Further he held that the majority of all kinetic  pleasure was achieved in the process of satisfying   our most basic needs, and luxuries while  pleasant, brought minimal added value.   To understand this, imagine quenching  your thirst with water on a hot day,   and then imagine quenching it with any other  drink of your choice. It is the quenching that   brings the lion’s share of the pleasure, and the  flavour of the liquid really just adds variety,   moving the pleasure sideways so to  speak, rather than greatly increasing it. I quoted earlier this famous phrase that  hung above the entrance to Epicurus’ Garden.   Consider now Seneca’s commentary on that garden “The caretaker of that abode, a  friendly host, will be ready for you;   he will welcome you with barley-meal, and serve  you water also in abundance, with these words:   ‘Have you not been well entertained?’  This garden does not whet your appetite;   but quenches it. Nor does it make you more thirsty  with every drink; it slakes the thirst with a   natural cure – a cure that requires no fee. It is  with this type of pleasure that I have grown old.”  The true meaning then is that the  aim of the Garden was to quench   your appetite with simple fare, and  put a stop to your unnecessary desires.   It is this that brings about Epicurus’  highest good of lasting pleasure. Consider for a moment that there are people who  pride themselves on their refinement of taste,   and say things like “I only accept the best  in life” – to Epicurus this was backwards;   you experience pain when you  can't satisfy what you want,   so to deliberately train yourself to want refined  things is simply setting yourself up for pain.   Teach yourself instead to take pleasure and joy  in simple things and you will always be happy.  This thought is echoed in  Stoicism, with Epictetus’ words:  "I do not need [luxuries]; but you,  even if you acquire many possessions,   need still others, and whether you will or  not, are more poverty-stricken than I am."  Religion & Death Satisfying our natural   desires alone is not enough to achieve Ataraxia  and a tranquil mind. For this we must remove   all mental anguish and worry. To this end Epicurus  taught that we must not fear death or the gods.   Death because we would not be  conscious of it when it happened,   and the gods because it was unlikely  that they paid any attention to us.  “Death is nothing to us. When we exist,  death is not; and when death exists,   we are not. All sensation and consciousness  ends with death and therefore in death there   is neither pleasure nor pain. The fear of  death arises from the belief that in death,   there is awareness.” - Epicurus His argument around death is   essentially identical to that of the  Stoics, and indeed many other philosophies.  His argument when it came to the gods however was  quite different. He held that either they lived   in utter blessedness completely free from care, or  that they cared greatly about human affairs and so   fretted over our actions, in such a case  they were effectively in a state of fear*.  He couldn’t believe they existed in a state of  fear so chose to believe they instead ignored us.   As such he said we need not concern ourselves  with them and therefore not fear them either. (The Roman poet Lucretius proudly referred  to Epicurus as the: "Destroyer of religion".   To me this has some eery foreshadowing  of Nietzsche’s lament that “God is dead”   which he made some 2,000 years later, funnily  enough as Epicureanism was making a revival.) I want also to briefly touch on the  Epicurean approach to society because   there is a glaring difference with Stoicism.  Epicurus practiced a principle of “lathe biosas”   which meant to “live in obscurity”  or to not draw attention to oneself.   Meaning one should in general withdraw  from taking an active role in society   and certainly not engage in politics, as  such things are likely only to perturb us.  Done on an individual level this is  sustainable, one can live a productive   and happy life surrounded by friends and  family and away from society at large.   However, at a societal level, the more people  that practice this, the fewer people there are   to take charge of the running of the state,  resist barbarian invasions and generally act   for the public good. I guess you could say  it relies on the world not coming to you.  It’s true that Stoics like Seneca talk frequently  about “retiring” from public life and solely   pursuing philosophy, however the Stoics in general  had a very strong notion of civic responsibility,   duty and even speaking truth to  power, as they were driven not by   outcomes but by virtuous behaviour itself.*  To them tranquillity of mind came second.  What’s more, many Epicureans including Epicurus  himself were also celibate since they considered   the complications and pains that came with  romantic relationships to outweigh the benefits.  Taken together these two issues lead to an  interesting question as to whether Epicureanism is   a sustainable philosophy for a society to practice  at large, as it would likely lead to a decrease in   birth rate and, in antiquity at least, would leave  a society more vulnerable to aggressive neighbours   or the more the proselytizing*  sorts of philosophies and religions.  Given that western society today,  at least the non-religious parts,   probably leans toward an amalgamation of hedonism  and Epicureanism it might be worth considering.  So What does an Epicurean life look  like and is it opposed to Stoicism?  Having looked at the principles we can say  that Epicureanism is technically hedonistic;   however, it is probably more  useful to think of it as   ‘Tranquillistic’. Its principle  goal is the elimination of pain,   both physical and mental, and any other active  form of pleasure seeking comes second to that.  A short summary of how to practice  Epicureanism then would be:  Focus on absolutely satisfying your natural  needs: food, shelter and friendship.  Withdraw yourself from sources of pain and  disquietude, such as fame, responsibility and   public office, and don’t pursue wealth beyond  what is required to fulfil your basic needs.  Focus on bringing your friends into your life more  Work can be rewarding, provided  you’re not doing it for the money,   but in order to work cooperatively with friends  or do something you feel is innately valuable.  Practice self-discipline: pain and  sacrifice should be chosen if they   will yield greater tranquillity later. "And ofttimes we consider pains superior   to pleasures when submission to the pains  for a long time brings us as a consequence a   greater pleasure. While therefore all pleasure  because it is naturally akin to us is good,   not all pleasure is choiceworthy, just as all pain  is an evil and yet not all pain is to be shunned"  On a theoretical level Epicureanism directly  contradicts Stoicism in its belief that a   divine creator does not impact the world, in  its suggestion to withdraw from civic duty,   and in its elevating of pleasure over virtue.  In this respect they are clearly opposed. But on a practical level both and Epicureans  and Stoics can lead similar lives.   In order to live a true Epicurean life, one  must actively practice Temperance, Courage and   Fortitude in order to limit oneself to natural  and necessary desires, fashion a life around   that at the expense of all else, and maintain  the self-discipline necessary endure pain now   for greater tranquillity later. While virtue  practiced under the motivation of reward might   not sit well with Stoics, on a purely practical  level the effect is the same, virtuous action.  In Seneca’s words Epicurus was a brave man  who practiced an ‘effeminate’ philosophy.  “In my own opinion, however, Epicurus is really a  brave man, even though he did wear long sleeves.   Fortitude, energy, and readiness for battle are  to be found among the Persians, just as much as   among men who have girded themselves up high. Ultimately, the degree to which they are in   agreement depends on whether you are looking at  theory or practice. In theory they differ a lot,   in practice there is far more overlap. With  this in mind, what practical takeaways can   Stoics and Epicureans take from one another  without sacrificing their core beliefs?  “This is my own custom; from the many things which  I have read, I claim some one part for myself.” A takeaway for Stoics is to Genuinely assess  whether your true basic needs are met: Compared   with antiquity, modern society is abundant, so for  most people food and shelter are not a problem.   However, what is far harder these days is  community. Modern lifestyles can be severely   isolating and consequently many people miss out on  the most fundamental human need of companionship.  Ask yourself if this applies to you, and if  so, prioritise fixing it even at great material   expense because holding on to money and luxuries  won’t have nearly as much effect on your life   as being in a position to frequently interact  with your close friends. This courage to radically   alter life to meet our “natural and necessary”  desires is a large part of Epicureanism.  “Of all the means to ensure happiness throughout  the whole life, by far the most important is   the acquisition of friends.” - Epicurus Secondly, and as an extension of that   topic we can seek to remove sources of pain  before seeking out new sources of pleasure: –   An example of this would be choosing to replace  a mundane object that is disrupting your life   such as a faulty washing machine, before acquiring  a new luxury object like a flagship smartphone.   In nearly all situations the pain and disturbance  caused by the faulty mundane object will outweigh   the hedonic pleasure from the new luxury object. So spend time appraising what things in your life   are causing you pain and focus your resources on  fixing them rather than seeking out new pleasures.  Both of these suggestions  seem obvious when stated,   but really, it’s the prioritization of them  over other concerns that is the true challenge.  And what can Epicureans take from the  Stoics without undermining their philosophy?  Incorporating Stoicism as an Epicurean First I would suggest recognising that   however much you seek to remove pain from  the world, there will always be pain,   and so learning to expect and endure it  can be as valuable as trying to remove it.  Second, I would suggest that if what matters  is achieving a happy life, then sometimes just   acting as if certain things are true can have  better results than acting as if they are not.  For example, many religions preach that God is  always watching and so we should always be good.  An atheist or Epicurean would reject that,  but a similar Stoic proposal is just to   imagine from minute to minute that your  hero or ideal self is watching over you   and let that affect your actions. Both of these are the same idea,   but one is inherently religious and the other is  just a thought experiment. The point is that both   encourage you to live up to your best self  which is surely something you should want.   Even if they are not literally true, there can  be value in acting as if they are, rather than   rejecting them because they sound irrational. And finally, I’d recommend thinking of   virtuous action as a rule of thumb for good  outcomes. The world is extremely complicated   and often we can’t rationally predict the result  of our actions, defaulting to virtuous action,   even if painful in the moment, will tend  to lead to better results for everyone.  All of these arguments are pragmatic,  intended only as a suggestion on how   both sides can better practical results  without needing to change underlying beliefs. This has been a very brief examination  of Epicureanism, I’ve done my best to   represent it concisely and accurately, and to  compare it in practical terms with Stoicism.  Hopefully it helps in not only understanding  Epicureanism but making better sense of Seneca and   Epictetus’ critiques of it. Personally, I found  the process very interesting as a glimpse into   the development of western philosophy, how the  seeds of later philosophies like Utilitarianism,   Contractarianism and Humanism were planted by  Epicurus in 300BC, but disappeared for thousands   of years due to societal pressures, before  finally sprouting again in the Enlightenment.  It also made me consider to what degree  our current society is inclined towards   Epicureanism and to what degree that is  sustainable on a civilizational level.   But, that is a thought for another day. I welcome  your thoughts and opinions in the comment section. Thank you for listening.
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