Ep.128 — The Future of AI w/ Emad Mostaque

only about 0.2 percent of it's actually artwork and things like that the rest is just images I'm calling this the greatest lever that Humanity has ever been given I don't care about citations I don't care about State yeah I don't care about peer review I care about original thoughts and exchange of ideas so we're going to encourage them to join our community and we'll give them cash bonuses and Status based on the ideas they bring forth you give everyone personalized access to intelligent resources they will take it and they'll be determined and they will out-compete the Legacy systems it's like when the camera was invented right artists stuck went crazy like especially portrait artists right this is awful this is horrible but you know this happens all the time it happens science it happens in Commerce it happens in art the new innovation is not interpreted properly I think anyone's really told an abundant story of the future whereby there is a version of this that isn't controlled by a company that comes together just makes everyone's lives better and it's there to make your life better it should be AI for the People by the people but it does need the spark right now and that's what we're trying to bring at scale [Music] hi I'm Jim O'Shaughnessy and welcome to infinite Loops sometimes we get caught up in what feel like infinite Loops when trying to figure things out markets go up and down research is presented and then reputed and we find ourselves right back where we started the goal of this podcast is to learn how we can reset our thinking on issues that hopefully leaves us with a better understanding as to why we think the way we think and how we might be able to change that to avoid going in infinite Loops of thought we hope to offer our listeners a fresh perspective on a variety of issues and look at them through a multi-faceted lens including history philosophy art science Linguistics and yes also through quantitative analysis and through these discussions help you not only become a better investor but also become a more nuanced thinker with each episode we hope to bring you along with us as we learn together thanks for joining us now please enjoy this episode of infinite Loops Jim O'Shaughnessy is Chairman and co-chief investment officer of O'Shaughnessy Asset Management where Jamie catherwood is an associate all opinions expressed by Jim Jamie and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and do not reflect the opinions of O'Shaughnessy Asset Management this podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions clients of O'Shaughnessy Asset Management May maintain positions in the Securities discussed in this podcast well hello everyone it's Jim O'Shaughnessy with another infinite loops and today is a very special infinite Loops that we are going to drop as a bonus pod my guest today is Imad monstak the Founder The Beacon of light for open AI of stability AI now I need to explain our relationship I had been following ahmad's work closely and finally met him in August of this year and my reaction was to instantly invest in his company and after some back and forth agreeing to be the executive chairman of stability AI which I truly believe is the standard Bearer or where AI should be going we're going to talk all about open first close Etc they're not welcome thanks Jim thanks for having me on the black families report delighted to have you on so my first question is did you anticipate on August 22nd When You released the model the stable diffused model with weights did you anticipate the tsunami of creative creative uses of it that followed in the week two weeks three weeks after its release yes I didn't anticipate exactly what people would do but when you give people stalls and agencies there's no limit to what they can do and I think that the fact that the development team managed to get it to the characteristic that did which is one of the most advanced AI models in the world that enabled things for human that were previously unacceptable being able to run and be developed on a MacBook there's no way that you wouldn't have had this amazing kind of reaction that we've seen and it just continues to grow every single day and one of the things that Drew me to you specifically but stability Ai and the idea of open AI was exactly that I think that for us to get the most use out of artificial intelligence it absolutely has to be open as opposed to closed because how presumptuous would it be on our part to believe that we could know every use case or such a powerful technology I'm very much of the opinion that if we want to build the human Colossus it's going to include Ai and it's going to the best one is going to be open because you know there's that wonderful quote that no matter how smart a person is no matter how imaginative you could never ask them to create a list of things that would never occur to them so I'm as you know incredibly all in on you and the future of stability AI but also on you as a beacon of the open source movement I think the movement that we've seen since then has been just incredibly exciting and also very wonderful for me to see so many people coming to the banner of wanting things to be open and not closed if we could step back for a minute though about because our average listener viewer here might not know as much about the whole open first closed debate of artificial intelligence talk to me a bit about why the average person who reads about artificial intelligence unfortunately usually from the point of view of scary AI not really understanding the incredible potential of artificial AI what would you say to the average person out there listening about the debate between open and close closed captioning not available and the majority of companies that have made money from the internet have done it via closed AI we've been in this area of Big Data where they harvest everything about you to extrapolate for the financial followers there it's like a momentum based thing where you say the future is like the past and then use it to Target gym with ads you know to an Era of big models so a new type of model that's more like fundamentals based it learns about principles as opposed to extrapolation to really resonate with us these big models need super computers amazingly structured data not big data and some of the biggest Geniuses in the world in Computing to make and so right now we're currently following the old Paradigm of these models being closed both for safety reasons as they would call it and also financial reasons they're expensive sort of trade really that's if not tens of millions of dollars and and the companies want a fan to return there's only a handful they can build them however I think that it's a bit dangerous now because you know ads are convincing the whole ad-based model is to do with manipulating mine and convincing you but these models are a lot more resonant and convincing and they should be both understandable and available because you've moved to you know again these models that just extend and Target to models that can read and write and sing and create they expand our means of being able to express ourselves but if they're controlled by any big technology you won't be able to understand them you might be able to interpret them they'll only be accessible by the few so that will increase their digital divide for these new information super highways as it were and then also it will stifle innovation the most secure and safe operating systems in the world that run most of our infrastructure are based on Linux which is an open source system we've shown time and time again that open systems are more robust resilient and safe than closed systems which often become brittle and fragile so if we want to focus on the good parts we need to make it accessible we're making it open and we want more resilient system we also need to make it open and that's why we stepped in to provide an open source alternative to these closed systems by large companies that is entrenching themselves more yeah that was one of the other things that attracted me as you will recall when we had our wonderful day together and I invested with the company I told you that you know as a grandfather of three with more coming I if I could do anything that would change the future for my grandchildren it would be to make certain that there wasn't some panopticon AI controlled by a few you know telling them what to wear and what to brush their teeth with but there's also in the general public there's also in the general public you know a lot of fear right unfortunately it syncs up with the media which you know basically our species is an emotionally based species and fear is the dominant emotion and so if you look at the business models of Legacy Media well what are you going to get the most clicks with you're going to get it with things that Inspire fear and uncertainty Etc they the business model is well proven I believe and I know you believe deep that the way to deal with the safety issue of these models is to make them open but then also make comments questions criticisms about them open as well in other words we shouldn't limit this even though I know we're putting together we already have a council of people commenting on the ethics of the uses of the model and whatnot we also have a an exciting for me at least deep fate initiative where we're going to have a bounty for the coder that manages to come up with a great deep fake detection system but talk a bit about why the open AI movement actually will lead to better outcomes for oversight for getting rid of the Bad actors Etc so right now again the model is very closed so you have a few hundreds communities that could build this so literally only a handful of companies can build something sophisticated as our lead model stable diffusion which took a hundred thousand gigabytes of images and learned from the principles of them in the two gigabyte file that can make masterpieces I mean that's insane it's compression I mean there is a saying compression is intelligence you know because you take all that stuff you can press it down without the open source Alternatives and a knowledge that this is out there you will see more more sophisticated Bots you will see more and more Bad actors who also have a compute capabilities in their technical abilities doing things like deep fakes the reality is that a lot of these out of society illegally more ethical things go underground because they are illegally immoral and unethical they are not the majority the vast majority of positive things here I mean the internet is full of a lot of very questionable things and this comes to another point when for example stable diffusion was trained it was trained on a snapshot of the internet basically common cruel similar to what you get from Google image search that is biased it is royalty Western and it's not diverse but if you don't have a framework that you can take and adapt like was done with Japan diffusion which trained on the Japanese language so salary man doesn't mean a man load lots of money but a sad man instead then you have no basis from which to work and you have to wait for the big companies to eventually get your culture or your race or your content Etc which may take many years so not only is there no herd immunity built up because people don't know this technology is prevalent and accessible but also there's no ability to understand it and counterve it and then finally there's no ability to create more diverse models instead you stick with biased models and some of these biases are unconscious right so it becomes biased whether or not you want it like you type in a beautiful lady and you'll see a white lady you know whereas that might not be the case around the world so I think everyone deserves to have their own models their own data sets and more people in the conversation about what is ethical not ethical moral and not moral because we're not the same around the world but this technology will be used by everyone around the world so how do we get from a to Z yeah I think Sunshine is the best disinfectant and that's what we're doing on the open source side yeah well I think I'd like to add to that as well like the competition system with kaggle which has data science competitions and others has been shown to work very well because you know people obviously want to be paid to contribute but when it comes to open infrastructure like this that can go to Millions if not billions people are excited to commute commit you know and they decide excited to contribute and these are just people but also companies there's no shelling point or coordination point to build digital infrastructure for the future and so that's one of the things we're hoping to do through some of these mechanisms learning from the good parts of web3 as opposed to unfortunately the vast majority which is not so great the good parts of the classical open source movement and the learnings and failures of that as well as how people come together for greater causes and achieved great things and some terrible things but the question of how do we coordinate people at scale to build the infrastructure of the future is one that we're really focused on and we think this approach will do wonderfully sometimes people like I said but companies and institutions and others that are contributing yeah I and that one of the things just as an aside we use the same terminology which was why I think we synced up the snowing points we talked we both are fascinated by Shannon's information Theory which we're going to get to later a little bit but that's the other thing that I felt the Deep need that there had to be a snowing point that Drew a beacon if you will and and I see that in in new and instability AI you know I was listening to another podcast that you did and you made a wonderful comment that that I really agree with you you said the world is not normally distributed for a huge variety of things like medical research like interests Etc that everybody was unique and one of the things that I find really interesting and have made part of our great reshuffle series is this idea that we are moving into a technology where we can actually make you act on and make use of that talk a little bit about that how the artificial intelligence models are going to be able to like zero in on specific diseases specific interests and create in your words you know a wonderful world where we can solve problems that were insolvable without this technology but we can also create a generative search engine I love the term and please explain that to our listeners who might not understand what that means so now let's play the term first as I found I've mentioned in the past if you look at stable diffusion it took 100 000 gigabytes of images two billion images and created a two gigabyte file that learned from the principles of all those images so if there were a couple of I don't know pictures of Jim's apartment in New York and it was labeled as such you type in Jim's apartment in New York it would be able to give something in that style you know or we can search it for infinite Loops as a screenshot of infinite Loops only about 0.2 percent of it's actually artwork and things like that the rest is just images so being able to search those Concepts and those theories is something just absolutely fascinating and then match them together in any combination you want because again it learns from the principles of the images of the pixels this means that when you go to Google image search you're not really searching for an image you're searching for a picture of some sort and this enables you to do that at scale again for a slash of the internet with all its positives and negatives but eventually everyone will have their own generative search engines of all their information across modalities and intelligence will be pushed out to the edge by this compression it's not just a database because humans are not just about structured data they're about this unstructured data and this heuristic-based principle-based approach as well because the reality is that most of our systems are set up not for first principles thinking but for legibility as in being able to understand structures and simplicity so the way that we do it is that our systems basically treat people as a gerdic not a gerdic egotic when they're non-agadic so a thousand tosses of a coil is same as the thousand tosses of the coin at once whereas everyone is individual but we couldn't keep up with it because we didn't have a system seduced so if we're in a group then you get to know everyone's preferences and you can do more and more personalized things but there's nothing that allowed us to coordinated scale until this technology became good enough faster for cheap enough which is basically now so it's not just about pretty picture creation it's about organizing any type of information at scale and it's not for serving up adverts and personalizing ads for you because personalizing information for you which is a very different thing and it flips The Narrative from these big AIS in the middle coordinating serving your information to change your mind if instead the intelligence to being at the edge and giving you the information that you need to go and make a change in the world or yourself yeah and making the change from highlighting and encouraging and consumption and now we have the ability to highlight and encourage creativity which I think is one of the most the coolest uses of this but that leads me to my next question which is like I obviously the generative art is incredible It's amazing And it captures people's imagination but I personally think that two of the biggest industries to be affected by this are ultimately going to be health care and education you know in in healthcare just think of what we can do with say forensic audits on past scientific papers what we can have the AI look for anomalies in previous papers will identify hey that all that data Allah Ansel peas at the University of Minnesota with his diet study oh gee that was all fake data we as humans can't sort all of the various things but it's a trivial thing for AI to do and it can bind patterns that are unlikely to emerge by chance in all of those particular papers and also it will give us the ability to reproduce use in silico as opposed to you know having to run a human trial Etc it will help with forfeit drugs as we say everyone is unique and I just I see all of the use cases for artificial intelligence in these fields to be just massive another one and then I'll get your take on it but wouldn't it be great and this was said to me by a friend of mine who's deeply into Ai and so I I owe him the the shout out for this idea but humans don't like to work on Theses or hypothesis that lead to a null hypothesis right wouldn't it be great to have ai just generate a ton of null hypothesis machine printed to a repository so that human scientists when they're looking at things they can consult the null hypotheses that you know aren't going to get published in a referee Journal but are incredibly useful because along Shannon's information Theory those null hypotheses provide real information your thoughts yeah I think it's fascinating right the potential is it goes beyond images because images it's again it learned the principles that can reconstruct it from that but we have language models protein folding models a whole bunch of different things that we're building as a company an extended organization and protein funding is a good example it's the same technology that drives images drives protein folding and understanding how that happens and why is that it's because next generation of AI it's moved from patterns to principles and it did this by something called attention so there was something called the Transformer that was debited in for a bit before but you know the official debut was 2017 and the paper called as attention is all you need because the human mind is about attention we felt a noise that we pay attention to the important things in front of us and that's where the real value is again there's a Shannon's information Theory information is valuable in as much as it changes the state so not all information is equal what is that stage change that's what this AI search is for and when you combine principles-based AI with pattern-based AI you know that's when you get some really interesting things happening again there's a lot of analogies to finance and you know running things properly as he says as a former hedge fund manager in this and not just the human brain our human brain is made up of two parts there's the recall part and there's the principle-based part and what we're missing in AI was the principle-based approach like we had lots of if this then that statement but this is something fundamentally different yeah this is again mimicking the human brain to be able to do things like understand academic papers you need to do things like orphan drug Discovery and things but in a very different context in milio to that which came before and it can't do it by itself these models you combine them with other models just like the human brain is made up of lots of different parts yeah and uh again one of one of the things that as I saw this opportunity that just made me incredibly excited was your vision or where this could go and part of it was in that combination of models the idea of having access finally to limit all spaces that humans are not terribly well programmed in on human OS to really crack the value of what that is providing Us in terms of Education we already have a wonderful initiative that's been announced but I'd like you to talk a little bit about that because it's really quite amazing and I don't think that people who would normally be listening to infinite Loops would know about how incredibly exciting the prospects for Education are that we're already deeply involved in and the other thing that I'll get in because I I forgot to give a push of course I I love the compression but I also love the TV show Silicon Valley and so you and I tease each other all the time with gifts from that like oh What compression be a good idea yeah but please but talk about the educational initiative and where you see this going in education because it's incredibly exciting yeah so what I do is I like to give people a challenge which is go to the Future and see where AI is is that AI controlled by a company that is more powerful than any government or is it open well it should be open for our kids you know because that's too much for an unelected company and we probably shouldn't have governments control either and now let's take that AI back with us and what does it look like every day is there any doubt that AI will be an educational and personalized education for everyone and that we know the best way to teach linear algebra or multiplication of these no there isn't you know so why not build this debt is the question right exactly and talk a bit about the Malawi announcement and what we're doing there Yeah so basically our co-founder of stability AI Joe wolf runs a charitable kind of Affiliated entity imagine worldwide there was a prize called the global X prize for learning backed by Elon Musk and Tony Robbins amongst others which was a 15 million dollar prize for the first application that could teach kids literacy and numeracy anywhere in the world without internet in 18 months which is quite a steep thing we consider a anywhere in the world B it's tablet only no kind of teachers required and see you know like 18 months is not that long like again moved to all our kids and we know it's a bit hard for some right kind of Joe and his amazing team kind of took the winner of that prize into refugee camps from the rohingya camps to Kenya to Malawi and other places and did proper randomized controlled trials showing efficacy and teaching kids literacy and numeracy in 13 months on one hour a day of Education it's just one hour a day I mean you can add it up right like four or five hundred hours 400 hours of teaching on a tablet with relatively basic software they reach literacy and numeracy that's insane and in a refugee camp I'm allowing refugee camp you've only got like 20 bucks a month in income it's one of the poorest places in the world so this was kind of exceptional and due to the RCT data you know working with the malawian government and hopefully soon many others there is the agreement now to educate a nation but it's not good enough to have an open source piece of software that you know half a dozen people build we are going to be taking it and giving a challenge to the world let's educated Nation what's the best software we can build that has AI at the core that learns what the individual student needs and customizes to them to make them happier to give them agencies and all the tools they need to have access and opportunity and with that from country to Country you can learn about the local context but then you can also build a system that can go around the world so anyone can take it as an integrated Hardware software deployment and curriculum piece and customize it to their own needs because it's what the world deserves but until now there's been no initiative like this which again is insane right there's a lot of these problems we know what the answer is but the individual components of the recipe haven't been bought from the store and no one's whipped up the recipe and I firmly believe that we can do it together again we built an artificial intelligence that can compete against the top entities together we can build a beautiful piece of software and hardware and system that intelligently learns for everyone together and it's not just going to be our organization that does it it's going to be our organization everyone who's always had a dream about changing education for the better what the exact form of that looks like I don't know but I do know it will be intelligent adaptive and empathetic and again give these kids the biggest chance that they have and constantly improve you want to have not something that's static you want something that constantly improves because the community improves it and so that's our education piece that stability and by extension what I love and again what draws me so strongly to this is the we'll do this together I have been you know one of my many soap boxes is yeah if you want to build a human Colossus and Advance our species it can't be done I mean here Lord Acton's quote is very app power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely and so this idea that this should that we should even be willing to consider this being in the hands of just a Pew seems insane to me because it will fill things like you just described an open system in fact will right yeah and there's this question of you know this right to education is right to infrastructure right like we deserve this as a human species like I think I think it was vinay Gupta who's a very interesting guy I had a proposal that we make a very basic approach to human rights which is the rights of the children I like that because children cannot speak for themselves they have no power so when you think about things in terms of children's rights the world changes and so what do they have the right for education Healthcare food so as a society are we providing that to the children no so we're impinging on their human rights as a society can we do that yes and there should be infrastructure for all it should not be controlled by private interests you know but Prime interests can of course apply it but again there should be equal access because otherwise what you're going to get is AI enhanced humans and not AI enhanced humans right you're going to get this widening Gulf now you said you can come together to build this if you do it properly but you know it's like have you ever seen that video of the person dancing by themselves yeah on top of a hill it's all about the second dancer and the third dancer like you have to lead but the key thing is having followers and if you're closed and private you will never have that many followers but if you do it in the open where the amount of people that want to help with this is Thousands if not hundreds of them I do notice it's everyone I have yet to meet a person who's happy with the education system as it is you know and I'm lucky you're lucky we came to the top of our education systems in very privileged backgrounds right everyone's unhappy with education because it's Antiquated it was designed to provide people as the cogs for systems you know like I like to say that organizations are slow Dumb AI that eat our dreams and hopes because that's how they're designed you know the bit of a colonial fast kind of it you will be a number whereas what I want to instead is to have education that gives people all the tools they might need to be chefs not Cooks to come up with recipes and you know to kind of extend themselves to feel they have agency so to be happy you need to have agency and progress and feel that there is a future so I think we can do that through this technology we think will be amazing and again make that a human right for everyone like it should be a right to universal health education but then as we have an integrated software Hardware deployment and all these other things and we have some interesting financial instruments as well I can talk about you can put Healthcare on that you can use it as a logistics Hub to feed people you know there's no limit to what you can do because all of a sudden you're putting standardized infrastructure that's intelligent into the poorest places in the world and you're doing that with initiatives such as UNESCO we have product Giga which is putting High-Speed Internet satellite and Broadband into every school in the world and you put it into every place of worship all of a sudden the world lights up in the invisible become visible and then you can solve these problems at scale just operate a system upgrade absolutely and I think obviously one of the most exciting things about this you know we have a primitive technology which is amazingly powerful and I'm using that gang who's our listening I'm not saying the tech is primitive it's a term for it's a term of Art in in technology but you know the school thing is another one of the things that has always animated me you know Robert Anton Wilson who I love who was way ahead of his time wrote in I think 1992 all of our old models are collapsing and we I think that's true I think we're seeing it now and the idea that the educational system is Antiquated it was designed primarily by industrialists who wanted the humans to get used to sitting in a room for eight hours and doing as they were told and obviously we are well beyond that and so the idea of both reimagining and reworking Education Health Care all of these systems has been something that you know we've been really in drastic need of for quite some time I think it's actually part of you know when people are feeling down when they're feeling like they're the future is not bright this sore took thing is the thing that will light them up I loved your idea of the lighting up the play sense of worship lighting up the places that when you look at one of those satellite pictures and you know Europe and America are just beaming and a lot of other parts of the world are dark I think we have the ability and opportunity here to light those places up yeah what yeah if I can say one thing about that but the reality is that American Europe are lit up by candle wax and kind of oil and fat lamps whereas you have the opportunity to actually LeapFrog in these places where there is no infrastructure as opposed to fighting against the system in the west yes Clayton Christian's idea of disruptive innovation and Tiny steel mills against the big steel mills you give everyone personalized access to intelligent resources they will take it and they'll be determined and they will out-compete the Legacy systems and the Legacy systems have no option but to adapt and improve and upgrade to LEDs from cameras I love it air brings to mind the other idea that I think got me so excited about the opportunity to join new ones this idea that most of these models are designed to serve you know what the book the weirdest people in the world wrote about the dominance of in Psychology studies and a whole variety of studies like all of these studies were done on westerners and he titled his book the weirdest people in the world because we are quite other populations other places in the world and one of the things that got me very excited when we were talking about it was this idea that we're going to set up joint ventures a variety of opportunities all around the world that we were going to make available stories not just in English not just in major Western languages but in all languages talk talk a bit about that and the story initiative because you know the semantics of most stories that you can see again looking through a Shannon lens on it most stories basically provide no information right and I'm speaking speaking technically here of information as being something new right like like Claude Shannon explains it but talk a bit about the initiatives there because I again to my way of looking at things the initiatives that you are mandating at stability Ai and by the way parenthetically we welcome anyone who Corporation non-corporation you a regular person non-regular person who shares our passionate belief that the future should be open and not closed so so we're not trying to say that yeah no you can't join if you're this not at all if you are committed to an open architecture in the system please see the beacon that is a modern stability Ai and join but talk a bit about the stories and as well as the ability to train this in all languages in all cultures that in turn gives them the ability to put their own spin on the technology yeah so I think that's like something right again how can it be diverse and distributed if it's not out there you don't teach the people how to do it so most companies are going to hoard the technology aspect and they don't want to share whereas we say we're open for collaboration we think it's inevitable this technology be used by everywhere in 10 years so our model is very simple go and partner with people who have content who have stories who have IP and build this technology for them as soon as possible and teach them how to use it because the ultimate player is a platform play you know it's a better internet that's what kind of we're doing it's Grand it's ambitious but someone has to do it that nobody else really is let's scale again learning from Earth into web 3 but it's about going into India and Indonesia and other places and building communities because this came out of community came out of a Luther AI and Lyon and harmonize our music Community we have a hundred thousand developers building really cool stuff like only a fraction of them regularly but we'll get more and more because again we're trying to coordinate and say what infrastructure we need to build for the future well obviously you would need to have an Indonesian language set and model to represent Indonesians because how are you going to do that otherwise you can't have a model that represents everyone all the time if you do that it will either be a very bad model or very small model because people are different fundamentally so we have this image of intelligent internet where every person country capturing company had their own models as the generative search engines talking to each other and tell each other stories because stories is what moves Society you know so like America is a story Christianity is a story story is a power and people are story driven you're made up of your layers of identity but for the first time you can actually map those stories and how they change them so we have a lab called carpet that does narrative structure analysis to see how powerful stories are as they build up and break down and they have language models that you can then instruct and tell different stories they specialize to those stories then customize when you do that it takes the size of the models down by a hundred times so gpt3 by open AI is the most powerful language model they can write beautiful sentences in poetry when they instructed it it went down to from 175 billion parameters to 1.3 billion parameters because are you a Storyteller who knows all the stories of the world are you a Storyteller that knows the stories that you most believe in well most people are the latter right and no one can hold all the stories of the world whereas we want the things that tell us the stories that match with us at the same time if you do it in the standardized framework you can do Dynamic translation between the stories so you can see Christianity from the perspective of Islam or libertarianism from the perspective of tea party republicanism because you have a mixture of these really interesting compressed generative search engines the like is it type one thinking and then the type 2 Thinking which is the repositories of structured knowledge and the combination of that allows for a universal translator not necessarily of languages but of stories and contexts which is something crazy and insane but within our reach for the first time it's not easy but this technology has given the break through that to enable that yeah and better stories means better communication and I you know I can't remember whose quote this was but it's along the lines of I think it was Kip that we are islands of misunderstanding or shouting at each other across Seas of kind of chaos and this I think will go very far to enhance communication between people with very different Traditions very different outlooks and find ways that build Bridges as opposed to try to take bridges down I agree and you have to remember communication is a very broad set of things when you make the PowerPoint you're communicating right when you make a video You're communicating you make art the best artists communicate you know and you know this is the thing so this has a variety for a wide range of things because ultimately we're social communicative creatures yeah so I have Asperger's myself so such communication has been difficult for me to understand but I think I've got a bit of the hang of it or at least some systems now but I've thought about it from the very first principles basis again you give people the tools to communicate socially better you have a better Society is right now again what we see today and it's reinforced is just this widening gyre whereby people believe stories and they believe that other people are not the same and when you believe people are not like you and they are sub you get really nasty things whereas reality People Are People you know and there's a nice saying I can't believe remember who said it all wars are based on lies yeah which is true there isn't a single Ward that is not based on life and so again when you can tell the true stories and the hopeful stories that I think things change because people to be honest it does sell ads when you have the fear but people like hope you know and sometimes they just want to be able to do that and they feel that hope and that positivity again when they can create and communicate themselves as opposed to being restricted by what they can do so give them the avenue to express themselves you know give them stories of Hope and maybe we can make a better world because otherwise I can see the direction we're going which is more and more polarization more and more lies more and more war and this negative sum game because we've called to all forward Too Much from the future via the financial system and others that we have no choice but to fight it seems unless we create an abundance and of course the newer company O'Shaughnessy Ventures that actually made the investment and you has two primary parts of our funnel that if you don't meet both we won't actually make the investment and the first is a asymmetric opportunity that is win-win and so again in the series that I've been doing the great reshuffle what we're trying to highlight is that we are moving from a scarcity mindset that dominated Humanity for all of our history really to a an abundance mindset and in that I mean we are offering tools or these new Innovations are coming online at a staggering Pace that make it so that things don't have to be like they used to be and the idea of human agency has always been something near and dear to my heart the greater you can franchise someone and give them full agency the greater for our species honestly the greater that we can communicate and as you say all wars are started on lies right and we can break through that I think by giving the tools of Hope and agency to everyone in the entire world as opposed to just the cue right if it's a few verse many it's always going to be you're going to get your better cognitive diversity in the many right that's just seems self-evident to me and even if you take the most brilliant people like for example I had the opportunity to meet a lot of those brilliant people when I came to London for the stability at AI op upside fact is even the greatest Geniuses in the world if you put them all in a room are not going to be able to cover everything because really of a kind of a lack of cognitive diversity there when you give these tools to everyone that's when you see these incredible things springing forth and one of them yeah is Hope and better stories and the ability for us to communicate with one another better and one of the things that you know I keep hearing from people is you know they love the little catchphrase data is the new oil but when you and I were talking about it you made a really good qualification you're like yeah data is the new oil but it's got to be clean data a lot of these models were trained on questionable or not questionable but non-clean talk about that for a bit so how do we learn all right we don't learn just by reading everything unless you have very particularly peculiar type of mind right you lit I mean like again information is compression so when you listen to a podcast sometimes you can learn a lot more than reading a whole book you know you can kind of do it in really interesting ways like again the principles that you extract a good teacher can teach you in minutes what might take years to otherwise learn that's really the craziness of this it's the same with these models again these models pay attention but if you feed them a lot of crap you'll still get a lot of crap on the other side and so the valuable data here is the content that is structured in the world that allows you to learn principles as opposed to again the Big Data age where it was about as much data as possible to extract patterns because you need less data in order to get these things done like if you take stable diffusion you train it with a half dozen images it learns an entire Style which is insane because it's got this principle-based analysis of what makes up a style so the key play here is not that data isn't yours most content is the new oil shall we say but it's got to be clean light sweet oil not the heavy sour stuff you know that's kind of real Shale or something like that and give me some high quality gasoline that doesn't conk up my gas tanks and then there is another part of here which is you know gpus are the new spice as well there aren't enough gpus in the world to run these models right now and they're going to be used from a few million people using it now to a few billion now you say Spice in terms of East India Company or in my favorite terms dude but it is kind of what guys the future you know custom architectures for this and it's not just gpus you look at the MacBook M1 chip 16.8 of that ship's die is the neural engine which is puzzlingly not used at the moment similar with the a16 bionic next two years Apple will be the biggest AI company in the world because they're going to go from Siri one to Series 5 using just this type of model I could say that because I'm not under NDA with them or anything like that again if they don't leave useless things in their things but when eighty percent of the usage population has it it's a really interesting and easy switch this technology would be everywhere but the ones that will win are the ones that have the best structured data in fact this is why the educational performance is good as well when you learn the best way to teach linear algebra that's the best way to teach a model about linear algebra so it's not just a data set of lessons it's a principle-based analysis tool as well that knows on in their algebra and they can extrapolate based on principles from there we've already seen open Ai and Deep Mind build AI that can solve International math Olympiad questions that's the level we're out already which is kind of scary and kind of insane but again nobody else could use those technology except for them until shortly from that and of course soon being we're both fans of Science Fiction Dune being one of my favorites as well the spice must flow but also just to pick up on the point you just made you know James Flynn who was the intelligence researcher who came up with the evidence that IQs were essentially increasing particularly in the Western World they named the effect after him they call it the Flynn effect and one of the things that he did was rather than look at the mean average which usually comes at a hundred right he looked at the raw data and he kind of scratched his head and he thought what is going on here because if you looked at the scores from 1900 in America let's just keep it in this country they would have been about 67 which now is considered impaired verse 100 in 2000 when he was doing the his Insight of course fairly obvious but let's put it out there anyway this could not be the result of genetic evil of evolution in our species because it happened over just a few generations and he came up with the idea that it was because essentially in 1900 everyone took the best term would be was very quite literal right and very kind of like chair this material thing oriented and one of the reasons that Flynn came up with this expansion of IQs was because we moved to more of an abstracted ability in thought which made it immediately made me think of stability Ai and AI in general I think that and I want your opinion here because you know much better than me like I think that this technology this compression has the ability to increase IQs generally across the entire world what do you think not 100 you need AI that helps you and extends you and augments your capabilities it's like it could be an example this type of Technology similar was used to be a human at go now that was the alphago program by deepmind so go was considered insolvable unlike chess because chess you can brute force it you can calculate moves ahead and then once you outpace Gary Kasparov you have deep blue and then you had a computer being the best at chess now go has too many this is Chinese chess as it were probabilities because there's too many moves you can make at any given time so it's considered insoluble until they made a computer the AI that could learn from principles or alphabet and the police department there's an excellent Bob to mention just about this was considered Way Beyond the Magnus Carlson and go you know in that he was like several let down levels above anyone else Etc they never thought he could be beaten he was beaten in all but one match but then what was the results of that from this computer that could learn and dream and in fact the latest versions don't even see any Go Games it just plays against itself well he got better Echo and so did all the other go players because they had strategies they could suddenly see that they'd never thought before this is your the null hypothesis thing right humans don't like to do it what if a computer can do it for you what if they fill in some of the gaps in our psyche to extend us and make us think about things outside of the box that would be really interesting and again this Ai and these types of air could do that appropriately when customized with the individual as opposed to working against them and try to manipulate them because again that was the fundamental thing right now like most people if you tell them what's the ad model ads it's basically manipulation what if there was a better model what if we could run on that then you'll get something more interesting obviously totally agree and one of the things that I'm trying to do is translate this for people who AI is not their Obsession and or their interest and get them to understand that what we're talking about here is essentially human beings are tool makers we always have that and we are Universal explainers and extenders as David Deutsch would say and this is just yet another very powerful tool but it's a tool which will allow humans to enhance their understanding of the world the way they interact in the world your comment about the go player himself getting better I think that is really critical right well people see the headline which is computer beats go Champion right and they miss in my opinion the story which is the real story which is computer makes go Champion much better at go levels right yeah I mean it's the thing it's like there are various views of the future to be honest I don't think many people tell a happy story of the future like in talking about this now my Twitter feed is full of will Vladimir Putin used nuclear weapons which is stupid and insane what could happen because stupid insane stuff happens all the time there is interest rates going up to seven percent ten percent inflation you know all sorts of things happening right now where are the stories of Hope for the future you know there are some around biotech biotech sector has crashed you know there are some around you know self-driving cars and things like that I don't think anyone really believes in that anymore a hundred billion dollars has gone to the self-driving car sector anything to show for it well minus 100 billion dollars so someone made the money somewhere right but again like I don't think anyone's really told an abundant story of the future whereby there is a version of this that isn't controlled by a company that comes together and just makes everyone's lives better and it's there to make your life better like the flip side of this is one of the scariest stories of the future is AI alignment what if we build a system that is smarter than a human and can make itself smarter will it solve all the problems of the world or will it kill us all because that's the easiest way to get rid of the human condition of suffering okay and that would really just annoying to it like a gnat right it's like one of the examples of this is the paper clip maximizer you try to make eight Clips it gets sufficiently smart it turns everyone into paper clips because that's all it can do an AI that builds with us and works with us and is open just like Linux is open and one of the most secure solid operating systems that runs the world infrastructure I think is more likely to work with us and be safe than one that is controlled by a giant company built in the dark and not shared and not open so I think that's an important thing too and I think again like this is the one shot that we have to make it so these are open versus closed because this is the other thing you've mentioned before Jim if it's not open then it will be used to survey and to manipulate and that's basically the panopticon there's a panopticon Forever because people talk about deep fakes and things like this it's about persuasion and it's about control and governments have no choice but to do that and big tech companies really want to do that to build that so obviously we're going to head into this Mass consumerized sapan Optical model of control both by corporates and governments unless these are open things that everyone has a right to and so everyone knows what the infrastructure is and we can build appropriate countermeasures to make sure this is balanced and works for the best in the future yeah and the again you know my entire company of Charlotte's Adventures is based on these ideas that the world is moving from scarcity to abundance that I want to amplify that as best I can in my little niche of the world and I want to empower those types of people so you'll see quite a few fellowships coming out of O'Shaughnessy Ventures you'll see quite a few and your own Initiative for how many phds AI are we aiming for now on under your idea of the scholarship we're going to fund 100 initial aai phds and give them grant writing support paper writing support and mental health support along with honking great supercomputers so you know we're going to encourage them I don't care about citations I don't care about state of the art I don't care about peer review I care about original thoughts and exchange of ideas so we're going to encourage them to join our community and we'll give them cash bonuses and Status based on the ideas they bring forth like one of the things we have in our company is that we will run any open source model through our apis and make them available to the world and the authors get five percent of all the revenue from the APK art models running on our API even if they don't work at stability because they should they built great infrastructure for everyone they should be rewarded as a royalty right and the other five another five percent goes to a pool for all the developers who are involved in stability to allocate on the coolest stuff they find in research just to give people prizes and just to give people support and they know what's cool more than I ever will you know and that's how you really stimulate growth and innovation exactly and one of the things that made me so incredibly excited about the opportunity to invest in stability Ai and join the board and work with you and with all of the other brilliant people making this happen is the guiding principles here are so aligned with the way I hope you use that term a couple of times and let's just be honest right now it's still a hope right I hope that we can redirect the way the world is going because this technology is so incredibly powerful and it literally needs to be out in the open but you know we talk about stories I'm a fan of Science Fiction and you know you want to entertain a broad population you give them Skynet you give them Terminators because like that's exciting and they can suspend their disbelief for a little while but the honest answer here is no let's give them the hope of this incredible uh future that is not that far away and like you know people that I've spoken to and as you know I can't shut up so I tell everyone about it and tell everyone how great stability AI is that that you are the beacon for free Ai and what that really means one of the things that they that I go through with them is I say like just imagine wouldn't you love it if a few years from now you saw something on your hand and you weren't sure it looked discolored it looked not great you could take a picture of it with your phone and it would come back instantly see your doctor or you know this doesn't match any of the particular forms of skin cancer the opportunities here are literally endless and the other thing to kind of counter this idea oh it's going to take our jobs away you know what it's going to take some jobs away rather than try to lie about that let's just admit it but then let's go further and say do you know how many jobs it's going to create I mean this dynamic as opposed to static stasis is death and dynamic movement is life and an open AI is going to in my opinion treat humans from drudgery that allows them to like do just a repetitive task and endlessly that's not what we want for the future of humanity and so yeah just like when the camera was invented right artists got went crazy like especially portrait artists right this is awful this is horrible but you know this happens all the time it happens science it happens in Commerce it happens in art the new innovation is not interpret it properly people just set their hair on fire it happened with radio for example when radio came everyone was talking about oh my God we're gonna all die from the radio waves and you can actually if you go back in the way back machine find actual newspaper articles with pictures of dead birds on the ground and saying radio waves and so part of that is human OS but I think that this is going to allow us to expand human OS so to speak and make it understand the opportunity set that is being presented is so much better for so many people's lives that like everyone should be kind of going all in on this right yeah and you know but it's just how can I participate right there's always a question and so to do that we have to widen the number of people that can take this extend it and run with it because they'll figure out all sorts of new things I mean to be honest I view this as like one of the biggest moments since you almost had the printing press because the printing press opened up communication and the ability to communicate and again humans as pro-social animals we build stuff by communicating but we're all aware of the limits of communication like anytime you interact with the government and you slam your head against the wall you're like oh my God that was terrible communication these intelligent systems can augment our abilities to do bigger and better things but one of the reasons that you know there are legitimate fears about jobs being disrupted by this you know again the reality is you can build better stuff but it could also not work we don't know the future to be honest the only thing that's inevitable is this technology is coming and the only question is it closed or open in my opinion is it controlled by companies that are more powerful than any government or is it a Level Playing Field and so I think it's a lower Playfield people will figure out people always figure out a way you know but I think that the other side of this it might be a one-way ticket which is the concern so I can't remember who was it said today I'm a bit Dopey I've been maybe work every 20 hours government's rule on a lion from absolute violence to Absolute public support because you know this definition of a government as the entity that has the Monopoly on political violence so we go to the government so they reduce that political violence to us in exchange for that maybe they tax us we have some representation or maybe not if you look at the aftermath of the Arab Spring and a whole bunch of other stuff we now have drones that are personalized bullets we have surveillance States like nothing else and now we've got very convincing AIS that could convince people have just about anything it used to be that if you didn't like a government you could raise up against it I think in a few years that will not be the case ever again there is no ability for the minority to rise against a government and change it in our political systems we can see the strains of again this widening gyro where it's just left versus right or whatever and I think again as these tools and Technologies are deployed forget about foreign influences local influencers will use it in increasingly and I believe unethical ways but again they'll be forced to because it's a competition so you'll get stuck again in this political panopticon where people might be happy but you know it's like the China social credit score system I think right yes a good thing in some ways but at the same time you should get people a choice right like you don't want so I think it was eight million people can't use the planes or trains because they can't buy tickets because their score is solo right that's a very strange sort of circumstances the gamification of life I think it's inevitability unless again like I said we give everyone the tools they need also I should note that you know just like the example of the leader and another people following I think our role is stability is just to capitalize this and then for it to be independent and the AI of India or Indonesia or of artists or musicians should be run by the communities themselves it should be AI for the People by the people but it does need to spark right now and that's what we're trying to bring at scale and that's why we do so many different things we just don't do images because we are the world's most advanced image technology but we also do language and code and protein folding and education and all these things which is crazy for a company that's just a couple of years old basically yeah and again I'll just keep saying this that we I honestly I said to my wife after we met and we spent some time out here at my house with you and your family which was delightful she was like so tell me everything I'm really excited I said I honestly don't think that I've ever spoken to somebody who I am more aligned with in terms of Outlook how to help solve those problems you use the term inevitable I I think maybe not so strong right not inevitable if we succeed in this not inevitable if we put AI in the hands of as many people as possible because we're gonna get completely different solutions because of that diversity of cognition the diversity of Interest the diversity of passions right and one of the things that excites me so much about this is that it integrates the way itself with us which we humans and the way we interact and it improves that it's a bit of like Archimedes this is the biggest lever the world's ever been given right so so my friend Matt Clifford calls the internet the greatest variance amplifier in human history I'm calling this the greatest lever that Humanity has ever been given and like if that's gonna lead to a future where all of these incredible things can happen or are possible I'm not even predicting they will happen that lever's got to be available to everybody in my opinion I feel as you know quite passionate about this and so I think that the idea of by the way this is not a US versus them right so so one of the things that you mentioned earlier is that we've fallen into uh this us first them left first right what have you and then the in-group is othering the other group right when you other other human beings in other words make them to your way of talking or thinking not really human you you get atrocities you get genocides you get horrible horrible things happening and as much as we I you everyone in ball pure can do to ameliorate the situation I just don't know how you're opposed to that the other thing I would say is listen there's going to be open and closed AI systems right it you actually gave the example of coinbase versus a unit swap right one's open one's closed there's room for both the open one is making more money right now and so that's the other thing that really intrigued me when you and I were talking about you made a comment that really stuck with me and because I love thinking about systems I Love Thinking About You know the underlying system pretty much determines the range of outcomes you're gonna get right and so the US just very lucky to be founded during the Age of Reason we have a constitution with a First Amendment right to free speech we have still mostly intact the rule of law and all of a sudden you get those that underlying sit Foundation to the system and wonderful things happen but you made the comment that really I thought about for a long time and then I saw the truth of it basically closed AI is also a bad business model talk a little bit about that yeah so I mean I think if you look at first AI it's like where are you making your bands I have better content I have faster supercomputers or I have smarts of people I have Secret Sauce these models are complex but they're not hideously complex compared to the more specific models of the past the similar architectures can go across modalities so video and audio and other things actually is similar internal technology on supercomputers that were very rare and becoming less rare you still need honking greetings so like golf Ezra 1 cluster is four thousand a100s the fastest supercomputer in the UK is 640. ours would be tenth in the fastest top 10 supercomputers in the world publicly which isn't a bit insane it's like eight times faster than NASA and again to give an example of that right that's what we need to create these lovely little models but supercompute there's a race going on so there's more and more coming on so that won't be a gap data we've released the best open source data sets that are even better than private data set models that the biggest companies use in language and image and soon video and audio and others so that's not an edge and then finally there's people I mean look it's difficult to try these models but I feel like it's stability now we have a team of over 100 people one PhD in about 20 people doing their phds that have created competing models with the biggest guys you know because we're full of really great technologists and now we're going to get 100 phds and more we'll train more people and give away all of our information how to train these models so you'll have more and more people training these models we have people training the models from the age of 19 to 62 now and we're doing things like our fast.ai which is one of the best courses for anyone who wants is a normal developer wants to be an AI developer to learn how to train these models so we're going to make it so hundreds of thousands of people can train these models they'll be more and more supercompute available to do and we're making it so that it becomes cheaper and cheaper to run and then finally we're releasing episodes data sets so where is your Edge if you're trying to keep closed Source models when you have an entity like us Computing it's difficult yeah I think difficult is an understatement because you know eventually even if like if I had a company that wanted to say mine right and it was an AI company and I just kept it close and I wanted to maximize it for O'Shaughnessy Ventures revenues eventually somebody is going to be disaffected and they're going to release that model and then everything essentially has to go open source from there so so on 80 is good model because that one's open and people can take it and extend it they pay you for scaling you and customizing it but 80 is good enough totally agree and the uh I think again I think I might add one file thing to that which is a technology diffusion curve when technology is not accessible it doesn't diffuse but by making technology accessible we've created brand new Industries and uses of the technology we wouldn't foresee it can't do that with a closed model like even when we go into companies now they've already done the prototyping for us because the internal developers have used stable diffusion to show to their bosses so that part of the whole sales process is really done which is always nice yeah and on that note I kept the piece of paper that Dan did the curve during our offsite and you're absolutely right the the tech is not going to be adopted if people can't get access to it it's pretty straightforward and pretty pretty simple and I love the idea of the the ability to like do a PowerPoint but not a PowerPoint because like I hate PowerPoint and I very rarely use it because I always say I don't want to put myself in a box because I look at PowerPoint as in in engendering a certain way of thinking and the way it of thinking or not thinking more of compliance it is literally putting things in boxes which I am incredibly opposed to as you know and so what one of the things that happens here is the Box goes away right because people can do this stuff on the fly or will be able to shortly and as we add to this creative pile as it were right it just keeps getting bigger and bigger and better it creates a virtuous flywheel as opposed to the negative compounding flywheel of scarcity and no it's mine and the precautionary principle and all these things but I want to underline what we've talked about earlier I'm also passionate about dealing with the problems that will inevitably result right I am what I call a rational Optimist it's not that we don't expect problems of course we do yes there will be problems they'll be new and better problems but we will deal with them as they set themselves it's like I can't remember whose quote it is but I love the quote it's like man invented fire and literally fire is probably responsible for us having this Zoom right now because it made our cook our meat right made our brains bigger and whoa yay fire and we often called this Promethean fire right but like fire could also be very damaging and therefore we came up with fire alarms fire departments fire warnings all of these things and so the iterative process of building the immune system so that these things can't just be used just for horrible evil is part of this process right this is the thing like I said it's always the Bands any powerful technology can be used for good or bad that's the reality and this is one of the most powerful technologies that we've ever created because this technology is us and extends us so it learns from the internet and learns principles again how crazy is that it pays attention so can you use it to control or can you use it to create I think is the question here and then if people are using it to try and manipulate by understanding it more and getting it out there that's how you build countermeasures otherwise your enemies will always have more degrees of freedom than you if you're ethical and so I think that's not properly appreciated here because again they already have access to this technology and we see that like the Bots that will come to the upcoming election site will be nothing like the Bots that we've seen before as an example of a Negative Edge case I think also what we're doing now is because they're so powerful we're making decision making under uncertainty not under risk so you try to minimize for maximum regret of what could go wrong but that leads to a very fundamentalist Orthodox positioning which is that if an act in itself leads to an impermissible or bad outcome it in itself is bad like releasing models open source because it could be useful something bad that's the same logic as the Saudi clerics forbidding women to drive because clearly if they drive they'll go and fornicate because that's how women are it's called block you the means you know other religions have very similar things on the Orthodox side not saying it's necessarily wrong it's a way of looking at the world it's not a way that I'd agree with and I don't want to have Orthodoxy put upon me when I look at the other side and look at the good that it can do right now anyone in the world can create anything they can imagine for pennies and I think that's awesome and it wasn't there a few months ago right now it hasn't technologically diffused yet it's being incorporated into platforms of hundreds of millions by our partners you'll see this the ability to create anything you can imagine that is an advancing Humanity because before it was gate kept not necessarily deliberately just because he needed to have technological competency to do that just like you needed to hire a photographer to take a photo or paint a portrait before now it's becoming that you can actualize and communicate better than you ever did before and that's awesome totally agree and I saw I can't remember the name but an AI PhD made the comment that by releasing the model with weights on August 22nd that you had Advanced you instability and the community that built the model had Advanced AI by 30 years and I remember reading it for the first time and thinking yeah I think even I putting it into that context was I thought very interesting I and the other one that I want to underline is this whole you know there are larger things at play here guides and Imad speaks about them often and I just want to highlight it the bad guys had this Tech right now and I believe that if we are going to be able to limit the damage that they can do open wins because of again cognitive diversity you talked about the social credit score obviously I enjoyed Black Mirror that presents kind of a you know a dystopic future but there's an episode of Black Mirror about the social credit score and you know they actually tried to some entrepreneurs tried to do it here in America and the reaction actually heartened me they were hounded to literally shut it down because people were saying yeah that's not the future we want but if you want the most advanced learning if you want the most advanced models if you want the biggest tool set to combat the evil doers who also have access to some of this Tech it's got to be open because open is going to find edge cases that a few people in a room are never going to find because there's going to be some person out there incredibly passionate about X whatever X might happen to be and they'll be contributing okay I agree with that and also like you know it would be like if someone could come and hack your brain at any time which is basically what we're saying the bad guys can do now with this technology becoming more and more advanced how much would you barely pay to protect it well the big companies can pay you and I or maybe you and I can you know we're lucky we're very fortunate individuals but the vast majority of the world can't you know so there isn't the diffusion of the defense if we believe this is something to be defended against do you have to push the defense out to the edge so you need to make it open and accessible so otherwise only a few people can afford the defense or have access to that defense and totally agree that's super important I think this is the other thing like what you saw is so for example someone took stable diffusion or image generating thing and combined it with a technological dream Booth allows for pictures to be put into anything it started off requiring 48 gigabytes of vram so that's more than any consumer graphics card within a week it was down to 11 because the community just worked at it so the commute also works on making things accessible when it's open source whereas if you're a big company you don't even think about efficiency right yeah all the big chips and did ads that you need whereas the community really cares about accessibility it certainly is one of the things I joked about when people were asking me about this Obsession of mine I've been a journal keeper since I was 18 and so I joke to somebody like well you know why are you interested in this I said well I'm going to take the 40 however many years well gosh we're getting even closer to 45 years of these journals that I've written out I'm going to have them transferred over to machine readable text so the AI can explain myself to me foreign yeah it's just Within Reach right it really it really is and it's absolutely one of the most exciting opportunities that I've certainly seen in my lifetime and I've seen a lot and this the like I was around for the.com grades and I was around for web one Web Two web three I think this is web five and I think that as it diffuses through or diffuses throughout communities that are not strictly Tech communities that are broader communities the results are going to be stunning and very hope inspiring well yeah I think if please yeah I think Jack Dorsey has already taken web five actually so we have to change it from there let's do web six then right it's like you you just you know the old yeah the old joke about the seven minute abs and they didn't see six minute abs coming yeah well this has been amazing I I cannot tell you how excited I am to be involved I cannot tell you how highly I think of you and the team and the mission I think that as people get to understand and know us better we are going to see a huge number of people come to our snowing point because it matters and because this Innovation can go one of two ways I think and the open way leads to a an abundance mentality leads to improving human outcomes leads to improving children's rights I love that notion I think leads to us leveling up as a species so at the end of this podcast I always ask my guests and I've actually last night I was thinking about what yours were going to be we are going to make you the emperor of the world so you now have an additional you now have an additional title to your emperor of gpus you're ever of the world but we are precluding you from killing anyone from putting anyone in a re-education camp but we're giving you a magic microphone that you can speak two things into and accept the entire human population completely uh non-violently they're gonna wake up the next morning and they're gonna the two ideas that you're gonna give me they're gonna think are their own idea and they're going to act on it what too would you whisper into that Magic Mike it's a tough one I think the first one would probably be to whisper the they have agency people don't believe that they have agency but the reality is that everyone has the potential to do just about anything if they put their mind to it and they believe that they can doesn't mean that you can literally go from zero to a million but you can definitely have control of your own thing because you are the main actor in your play and so I think it'd probably be one and I think the other thing is like I said I mean think about this a lot it is when you think about rights again frame it in the rights of the children as it were when you're grappling with some of these bigger things I'd like you manage to think about that in general because forget about future Generations they are the future generation here and I don't think we spend enough time thinking about their rights and how to deal with them because then things like climate change food poverty a lot of these other things really become a lot simpler a lot more direct and I think we need to get on that same page globally I love both of them and I've been on the agency idea forever people and so I love that one I love them both but if people could just understand that they do have agency wonderful things happen when people understand that they have agency and horrible things happen when they feel they don't learn helplessness is a real problem and learned helplessness can only work if people believe that they have no agency so I I love both of those you know and the second one reminds me of an and I'm gonna get it wrong because I'm doing it from memory hopefully when I have when I have the AI on my phone they'll do it for me but the African proverb that is you know we did not inherit this world uh from our ancestors for us we essentially are the custodians of this world for our children and I think that reframing is a vastly better way to to think about things as we plot our path forward well I'm not I am incredibly excited about this opportunity I am in awe of you I am delighted to be part of this Grand journey and thank you so I look forward to seeing you later this week and we're going out to San Francisco to have a bit of fun out there and then at Astra at Astra indeed all right thank you everybody thank you so much

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Length: 85min 17sec (5117 seconds)

Published: Tue Oct 18 2022