Ep. 19.37 Cynthia Lin

[Music] where someone like had a cut on their knee and then died yeah oh that's where all the flesh-eating bacteria happens from that's what it's harbored no I mean there's been like five people that were in the hospital with that I forgot to hit record so it's just gonna start with that weird that kayaking in the Ala Wai it's like a normal high school is paddling in there all you need is someone to flip the paddle up a little bit too far I get splashing on its water advisory so what again after eating uh so we're not starting with that you moved from San Francisco I did is that where you are from are you from here no I'm not from here although a lot of people think I am I was born in Chicago and I grew up in New Jersey and I lived in DC I moved back to Chicago in New York and then moved to San Francisco before I made my way over here you got a favorite spot in the world no just for living wise for those three spots oh I mean I love San Francisco yeah I'm diggin the island life a Jersey accent yeah go down the shore yeah can you meet me at the park I'm such a newbie I just think if they're like real wives a New Jersey no not that I'm seeing much of that but so like you've you've gotten quite a following on YouTube and I mean besides the obvious you know the talent that that brings them however I mean it's it's just something like we started our channels around the same time you know so it's like I'm looking at you like three times with subscribers like how do you how did you do that is it just with like the lessons or do you like try to is there a whole marketing to it uh I don't do much marketing I mean I don't do any kind of it's just kind of an organic thing marketing yeah and I think actually for YouTube it's pretty important to maintain the authenticity of your channel you know that's like because I people can see through that you know if you're trying to just sell them something or you're just trying to like get subscribers just to get subscribers you know also I have found because I am teaching and also sharing my own music that if I there been times that I've tried to share my own music on my youtube channel and people unsubscribe right but then I realized that I don't necessarily want those people on my channel you know I want the people on my channel who are gonna support what I want to do and that's really important to me so yeah so I think over the years I could have just done made very specific videos or tried to just really you know pitch an angle that just gets subscribers you had a cater to like a certain group of people right you know like for instance like people keep asking me to make like a stairway to heaven tutorial part three of course I want to make it but I have like a lot of other things on my plate you know but you could just keep doing the things that people are asking do and then you find out very quickly it's impossible to make everyone happy and then you just drive yourself crazy yeah so I'm really yeah in the past couple of years and that's a big part of why I moved to Hawaii I really wanted to kind of like streamline and focus on what I wanted to do and then figure out I don't know I guess my whole ecosystem of how I still deliver to my fans stuff that I want to make but stuff that they want to take part in as well yeah because if you lose the enjoyment of doing it yeah that's probably half the reason people connect with you because you are obviously happy and excited and doing what you do you burn out you're just catering everybody you have to trying yeah if you're trying to just grab people right and YouTube burnout as a thing my people have talked about that a lot that like you it's easy to get into a cycle of like wow people are liking what I do and then they ask you for eight other things and then you're like I can't do this anymore yeah so for smaller people like us or I mean for smaller channels like us so we're doing the editing and everything like that so it's just like it depends you know but um I could see how for these people trying to vlog every day I'm like holy crap that's too much it's a job at itself I mean you have to really enjoy doing it that's that's basically what it comes down to right so the the the people who really succeed at it are the ones who who are giving it 110% because they liked and they wanted yeah every minute of it yeah yeah there was a certain point after which I was like wow like if I have to edit you know I'm gonna disappear into a hole and never come back when did you decide it was gonna be you did it like full time like every day Oh what point did you make that commitment to to just to just keep like posting like as much as you do I guess but how do you pro post like systematically or do you just gonna do it by feel I don't and III probably should you know like the professional marketers would tell you that every Monday Wednesday exactly you know the more you're honest schedule that the happier people are so you know I heard this good piece of advice that like you it's not up to you to decide what quality content is right that you make the content make the content you want to make and it's the audience that decides you know whether whether they like it or not know whether it reaches that to them or not and it with YouTube especially like a video of just you know a guy sitting in his room playing a song that can be way more popular than like a super polished video that they've spent a lot of money on because it feels more authentic it captures the moment in a certain way and so I'm I I guess it August's to like doing what you like to do on the channel so lastly well this past year in San Francisco a friend that I had worked with a filmmaker he had moved to Brazil and then he had moved back his name's Robert Gomez Herman Hernandez and so a lot of the really lovely produced videos on my channel are because he came back to town and we had the opportunity to work together and what I was interested in was us collaborating in making really beautiful visual projects right that I'd I wanted to make videos for my audience but I wanted to make them the so that they were creatively inspiring to me and that was working with a professional filmmaker and director who could help elevate my artistry to the next level so then I felt like the channel was getting better my performance skills were getting better my vision for videos for for learning how to direct videos for learning how to like kind of like a storyboard and screen makes replaces bringing in things that you think about to life yeah do you do that what's that you use storyboard out like your videos before you um the kind of videos that we've been shooting are you know simpler but we even if we only do say like a three like a three angle shoot it's still kind of like mentally storyboard it yeah but Robert and I have made you know fold music videos that with with full storyboarding with costume being with you know with crew and stuff like that and that's yeah yeah it's really easy working with somebody that experience because it's like if you want to get stuff done he's so experienced in planning things out and getting things done and right recording him yeah building that relationship that was well uh I mean you know you guys are own musicians and creators too like that's the part of the of my life that I'm in right now that I love the best you know like I love making music I could do that on my own I love teaching and interacting with my audience but the I think unique place that I'm in right now is that I get a chance to interact and collaborate with other musicians filmmakers creative people of like a higher level than I've ever had the opportunity to work with before and that's really exciting you know I like I'm the first to admit that I'm like like a very mediocre ukulele player and that's totally fine I totally accept that about myself and just being right on with the YouTube channel growing and whatnot I have the opportunity to bring people together and bring artists together to share with my audience and then from those artists I get a lot of inspiration learn from them how they're performing and teaching and reaching out in the world and then I can grow as an as a teacher as a performer you mentioned Abe if you're friends with Abe yes like watching well no you're a very competent player for what you do but it's like I think people like the simplicity too because a lot of people are just trying to strum songs and sing along or you know play simple melodies with them and stuff and so it's like you're coming at it from an angle it's not like you know how how can i play scales fast and all this it's like how do I shred this melody it's like how do you choose your songs because you go from like a Beatles song away to the old town road so I had stuck in my head today because I was going to your channel that song gets stuck in my head every time but thanks how do you choose you think solid song yeah aren't so so that some of you guys might know I'm I'm a singer-songwriter I know that's kind of how I got started with music and and I would say that's my greatest passion in music that I love I love singing but I especially love writing songs and so when I pick songs I like to pick songs that are really well written and when they're really well written they tell a story and people remember them and the song set because my channel is so international the songs that that are gonna be most popular that are gonna work best are the ones that have that have reached and a lot of times well it's it's the songwriting it's a message that's universal and and a melody that doesn't mean explanation you know that doesn't need a language yeah so that's how I identify the songs so in the beginning so I did this project called the 100 days of ukulele songs project and that's kind of a big part of how my ukulele YouTube channel took off I it was guitar and but a little bit of piano at first exactly yeah yeah um so yeah I released my first album in 2005 an EP of guitar songs and so I was basically just touring with the guitar all the way up till I don't know maybe like 2012 it was like mostly guitar yeah and and some piano and a little bit of a glow in there but I so at first my youtube channel was just me playing originals on the guitar which meant that nobody ever watched them or found those videos and that's usually the case for most people you know it's like if you're just trying to post your own stuff it's really hard for it to get seen and that's why a lot of YouTube people post covers right there's no search for an original song that no one's ever heard of exactly so the covers help bring people to your channel right and then you get a chance to share your original stuff and then you know the tutorials that definitely help bring people to your channel but so it's demonetised what do those get demonetized yeah yeah they get that's just yeah the original copyright holders get the royalties oh yeah definitely I I'm not trying to make any money on YouTube you know I may not maybe a hundred dollars a month on YouTube they don't make it easy and I don't care you know I don't put ads on any of my stuff like that if there are ads on my videos it's because of the copyright holder or not because of me and I mean you know until recently I didn't even you know I didn't even monetize ours at all yeah and then I started and it's like you know a little bit of money maybe it's not like the time that you put into this dead enough to buy lunch people just see it goes beyond getting to an audience that cares yeah so in 2015 I was starting to teach classes in San francisco-oakland classes in San Francisco and posting some tutorial videos like mostly for my students to follow along with but I kind of on a whim I decided to do this 100 days of Kahlua songs project it's just like a global artistic project called the 100 day project have you guys heard of it yes I'm familiar it's on your on your channel yeah well it's learning to practice anything for a hundred days like do the same action a hundred days and document it so that you see you know what I learned and yeah it's about process right and I'm a big believer in that not like if you want to do anything well you have to look make it a habit and want to do it find a way to like make yourself do it and the 100 days of ukulele songs project was me committing to posting an oklahoma video every day for a hundred days and it was a crazy thing to to decide to do I did nine days in a row and then I lost my voice because it was just like too much pressure really yeah and like I've been seeing in my whole life I teach voice like I've never lost my voice before so it was just kind of like you know a sign that I had to take a break from it but in those first nine days like I I was stoked you know I had a fire to like make more music - like arrange to learn the ukulele because I really didn't know that much about the cuckoo at that point I had like played guitar you know for like ten years but was mostly self-taught I'm still looking at a court book yeah I was mostly self-taught I was like looking you know how dr. uke yeah yeah has like a lot of jazz arrangements you know I was like looking at jazz arrangements and then taking those and then adapting them to be my own arrangements and whatnot but that project helped be essentially to make a lot of content you know that in the end I didn't finish the hundred days I did 63 videos for that project and having to do 63 Cocola videos within a hundred days you know it's just like you put that pressure on yourself like you have to pick a song you have to just release it in whatever stay you know you did the best the pressure the pressure of it that kind of makes it let's probably made you lose your voice to raise your stress on top of trying to do it every day right so then so after after I got my voice back like four weeks later it was crazy it was really I took it easier on myself and did like every other day or every few days but you know it was always thinking about like what's my nectar arrangement gonna be I chose a lot of Beatles songs because they're classics that you can play simply on the glowy and they still sound good I challenged myself to kind of like take some 80 songs and pop songs that I really liked and I think it's like when you're limited with your skills and you have to kind of get creative with the delivery I know a little bit about but yeah they forget to kind of witness the journey right yeah yeah I think that's a big part of it too that people have been along for the ride but speaking to the youtube channel like having those 63 arrangements in my style right that's a that's ideas for people to search and find me and then realize I had teaching videos too or I had original music too and I'd let it grow organically that way that's cool yeah so when you started in he said 2015 more the more holiday based stuff yeah what was what did you start on the type of Coletti sighs and brand you know this is good so I was I was like touring with my guitar you know this is probably still like 2012 or 2013 and I remember very distinctly like I got back from like a touring show and like the flight attendant had yelled at me about my guitar you know cuz like guitars they're so big yeah especially now like after playing and sometimes they don't even fit on the overhead yeah and they just I you know felt like I got threatened and yelled at stuff like that and I was like you know what like I tinkered around with a new khalili a little bit my my Kumu and I I was dancing cooler in Chicago my wood had given me like just like a toy ukulele to play around with but I just decided like I went on Craigslist I found a guy in the Haight who had a a tenor hula brand-new khalil a do you remember those yeah they don't even make them anymore Ron are you good we carried those but this was like over ten years ago Yeah right so this was I I probably bought a tenner laminate mahogany who loved red uke I picked it up for a hundred bucks I was like just writing different playing different arrangements on it I like played at my sister's wedding on it you know that kind of thing I like some cheap laminates yeah oh yeah actually I found that for my youtube videos I prefer using that uke because it was quieter and actually had a pretty thin sound but sometimes if you're over miking it yeah if you're only using one mic it like especially with the guitar right there like resonance can like the boom eNOS yeah yeah so so yeah I mean that was my ride-or-die it like has a huge crack in it now but you know and then I don't know if you guys well you guys are familiar with Aloha warehouse Edgar that's the way Edgar I was lucky to meet Edgar pretty early on when I was like teaching my classes in San Francisco and he's the one who hooked me up with that pono Oh with the tenor pono you know because you played that mahogany tenor pono for a cedar Oh a cedar top okay yeah oh yeah I mean that's like my Christmas album is all recorded on the that tender pono yeah a cedar top it's great for that that kind of jazz sound you know is that the cedar rosewood or the cedar mahogany or what I think cedar rosewood yeah yeah so he went from a laminate mahogany to straight to the pono yeah oh wow yeah huh it's a massive up yes yeah yeah I mean he was like I have this and he had it consignment so it was a lot cheaper but it was one of those things that like I think he wanted to help me you know and I knew that like I needed an upgrade and this was all still haiji stuff yeah so did you even know about loggia at the time this guitar player you with you know Logie is much easier from coming from guitar just because it's it's also I think it's hard to get used to the low G you know I think it's not a direct translation from guitar yeah just having that girl that bass on the top is so much more just linear like guitar yeah cuz carving the high G I've always felt like coming from your tarik what do I do with this it's only I would say it's only in like the last couple of years that I've really low G hooked into the low G yeah but yeah say like my Christmas album whatever that's all hi Jesus and when I was learning jazz chords I learned them all in high G and it's like really hard to translate yeah I feel like the high G really works well with the strumming and singing yeah high G yeah but you know I guess you've you've gone to low G now yeah especially now that I'm trying to write more on the like the low G gives you more to work with yeah definitely as far as chord voicings and stuff yeah and I my guitar style was always more of that kind of like solo jazz guitar style where you have the moving bass line so I'm trying to do that with you know as much as I can with this it's good if you can do it that's it's a hard thing to yeah yeah limited range with it but you make it work yeah can you play one of your originals thank you I would love to so this is a new single that I just released this summer yeah we did again this is called aquamarine and I actually wrote this song a couple years back when I was just visiting Hawaii and we stayed in Kailua and I love Kailua Beach that it's my favorite place on earth and just you know the beautiful sand looking out at the water and I mean I think at that time already I already knew that I wanted to be here but I think I was just there's like a big mermaid like crazed and I was just feeling like well you know like maybe that's what I'm meant to be [Music] down by this with [Music] toes in the Sookie would say laugh without care crystals floating and [Music] [Music] no need [Music] [Music] you know the song was it catching over catching what catch it a wave names in sign language yeah I saw that that's that's how you would say your guys names in sign language no that sounded awesome is that another you already have that recorded yes I do oh just go maybe sit on the couch with I enjoy and that's really interesting because it's like as you're you know judging what songs you want to teach your kind of analyzing them differently than just somebody that's like okay what's popular so you know I mean you know you're also looking at why they're popular that's just key to me enjoying arranging and teaching the song I know if I can help like illuminate why it's a good song then I get excited about that you know you know whose channel I really love the guy Rick Beto have you ever seen his what did you know what his channel is called he just analyzes songs yeah well he does a lot of stuff but you know he'll go into depth and he'll isolate the tracks and talk about why that where's the beanie and he's like super well-spoken and yeah yeah I don't know if we were recording when you talked about it before but when you mention like when you put your originals up some people didn't like it but you kind of were okay with that it's well it's something I've noticed with YouTube is that like the more of a niche you have the more people don't like stuff outside yeah and I think you just have to be ok check check one two the bigger an audience you have the more people have opinions about what your channel should be your this is always funny to me like you have a channel and then they come do it and then subscribe because they like it yeah and then you put something out that's like because do an extent they like you but then you put something out that's like your own creation and then someone's turned off by that as a quiet really like enough that you will but that must have been RIT's the kind of person that yeah like you said like maybe although some people when we started doing these long-form conversations like this because we had just always uploaded songs we're kind of like oh this is just like hey don't make em feel bad okay you know how many words I still I use in emails everyday perfect time to promote grammerly I use it all the time it's actually dirty right now because I don't worry so much I had to wear it today anyway thank you so much then we'll give you another one you have a tie to Lily as well alright it's you I guess we should mention that you're playing a Romero creation yes one of the so it's got tenor body or lower length monsters killing yeah soprano length concert scale scaling and then the tenors body is supposed to be what the same size as the tiny tenner yeah yeah that's all the concert yeah this is the concert and that's the Acacia Oh Cohen yeah Wow yeah it's super warm huh yeah that sound well it's interesting for me as primarily a singer to find it ukulele because a lot of the koalas are prized for their brightness and it doesn't work well with my voice well it's like it overpowers my voice sometimes when I pick up very expensive saber stops you know that they're so bright they're you know like if you're playing a rip and melody then it makes sense but if I'm trying to sing over it it's it's competing it's like when you have when you look at an EQ spectrum it's like right in the same if it's in the same spot yeah do you have a lot of years before I move from San Francisco I had something like 17 years and I only moved here with three oh yes so I and I have such a hard time selling ukz me too my person sentimental it's like once I take them out and play them like I'm responsible for you now so I basically just like gave it gave them to friends and family you know you know I also have a mahogany tailor a single cut mahogany Taylor guitar that's the one that that I was primarily playing and touring with and I I left that with a friend in San Francisco that's one so you have no guitar with you or no not right now oh man do you miss it at all um just playing guitar in general I guess not a lot yeah it's what I pick it up now it just feels human he won't get me I feel like my arms are like out here but yeah so I I whittled down to three boo koalas that I brought with me and I've only been here three months and I'm already backed up to like I mean literally the first or second week I got here to Tyler from tide brought me in the other that's right that's when he showed up yeah it was awesome and that was perfect because I didn't really have one to play at that point in that style and they're nice right oh my gosh the feel of it I love them I want to hug it no distri that they put into its you can tell you can tell it's like very personal yeah exactly it's like that's item that's their style that's everything yeah I was gonna say it's like yeah they didn't really bite anybody like they came out with a product that's pretty much their own it's completely unique and yeah well if you close your eyes and you just you can always feel the tie you just like oh yeah I know that's really good so she I don't know I don't want to put those lists down where we didn't know the song cuz it just felt good in in my hands along with the zone and somebody forgot that recording someone doesn't know who's here it's gotta be Billy hey um so we got in a couple tides recently and I wonder if you could maybe play us a song with one other yeah maybe we can jam all together [Music] and then I set them up you plant so this is that slim in the in the tenor and it's kind of a more customized version of one that we had before I didn't know that department already saw now they usually do that in the setup department for little things that they're good we had a touch that you can take no one will see it you could leave it actually I'll leave it okay okay thin sound ports [Music] what's the one that you got from them what is that it is a concert mahogany with a cutaway do you prefer the concert size these days I guess so right these days I do you started with guitar and yeah that's getting smaller because I used to play guitar and it's not more comfortable well actually you know there's a vintage ukulele seller Sean look at all the friend but he basically came up to me at a festival and it was like you know your style would work really well with like you know a vintage soprano Martin and I was like really and having played a tenor for so long I was like that wouldn't work and then I started I don't know trying to find that vintage jazz sound and I got really into it and then just started playing first a concert I haven't really played a lot of Sopranos I've played some I have the noon yes the Onias which is has a nice vintage e sound yeah I'm kind of I like I think I do have smaller fingers and so it's the tenor the concert and I could see a little bit easier right [Music] Cynthia what's that is it just Cynthia Lynn on YouTube yeah so she's she's got a really wonderful layout for her videos where you get like the tabs or the chord charts along side while you're playing it so if you guys I suspect that most of the people that are subscribers here are also some subscribers already but for those that aren't subscribe but you know if you go to youtube and you look up fuqua Lily you'll find me absolutely just the same you'll find you find so if you guys sit on the couch there and shut your mics on your [Music] [Music] the didgeridoo actually we need a tide did you redo actually make that huh that's one of the things they make they make a little shakers with the circle of it's on it yeah yeah no they'd actually do make didgeridoos yeah I haven't actually seen one but yeah I mean these end things here but yeah they have going on tour to Australia next month [Music] can you speak and he just smiled and gave me a mind-blowing [Music] are you trying to tell me [Music] you saw him live read it hey yeah what do you say man at work yeah calling hey you know someone show here at the oh nice yeah that was great yeah yeah yeah a lot of songwriters he was onto a Ringo Starr roost like that was his last thing I forgot what it was for but yeah nice where'd you see him gonna VIN it was at the Art Academy okay yeah a real real intimate show but okay it's always amazing when one guy with one guitar can just capture an audience yeah you know you don't need to know he didn't need gimmicks he didn't need you know anything crazy it was just him his guitar telling stories yeah right you know yeah so good cool yeah I'm still getting hooked in the local scene in like knowing where to go see shows oh yeah I hear there's a band playing tonight at downbeat diner yeah rowdy kids psychedelic rock kids heard they're pretty spooky yeah I heard there heard there all right dirty chair what another awesome no lazy sofa spooky cops or something spooky couch Oh dirty so far people here so you know I feel like like the musicians in Hawaii are just like they're all like such a high level musicians and all like very humble about their ability I feel like they're a bunch of comedians that soon humble bags when I first saw del BZ I thought he was first and then you started playing music [Music] like that more jokes you have you know it's like it's part of the Act right like you could play music but if you don't get jokes yeah I got jokes they're just not funny thank you so much for coming down we got to get to know you better in earth our listeners got to know you a little bit because you have so much you know teaching material online and and stuff but not a lot of like this sort of long-form conversations you know it's wrong but um anything you want to promote I mean is you're going to Australia those dates or yeah I mean you know people can check online for those dates be there in September oh I have a couple of local events coming up I'm teaching at the ukulele Club of Hawaii on Tuesday I don't know when this podcast is going out but 3 a.m. tonight you know how they host it kind of laya yeah yeah on Tuesday what time I think it's 5:30 to 7:00 oh right the mall and it's free yeah and I'll teach white sandy beach classic and then on the 8th that which is next Sunday not this Sunday but next Sunday I'm starting on a strum along series at the Whole Foods in Ward village you guys been there yeah it's so nice it's so nice three stories home and upstairs they have a nice restaurant bar but they have live music and so I talked to you the Whole Foods and you're just gonna do like a free community struggle along there it sounds surprisingly good in there it's so good that you know I feel like there needs to be more stuff here like that cuz it's like on the mainland and everybody's got uc's and plays here but it's it's the organizing of it doesn't really happen in the same way it's interesting the difference between you learning and being a lowly player here versus on the mainland or in Australia I found like there's a lot of organisation in Australia like within Melbourne there's there's like I don't know 20 30 different Luca Lilly clubs yeah one city it's crazy and then you know a lot of local people when I was teaching on YouTube and then just coming here to visit a lot of local people would recognize me I want to like come to my Jam's if I did a jam here and why because there weren't that many available here and I've also discovered coming here that like there's not a lot of formal teaching and part of it is because there's I think a cultural expectation for you know like kind of listen and learn which I think it's also a good thing you know that like I've found that a lot of my students are like tell me what to play right like what is the strum is it down up down down down put it and then they feel paralyzed if they don't have something specific whereas the local vibe is more like well just listen feel the rhythm of it and you'll pick it up you know so coming here now I I tried to encourage that with my students online don't get so locked into one type of playing you know that the more you listen the more you can just understand rhythm and I don't like integrate it internalize it for yourself mmm yeah but yeah it's weird how this scene here is just a little bit on your own but it's not as it's not a special thing where it's not as like Rare and so it's like on the mainland or other countries they probably feel more of the need to like find that the other people right it's more common here but we still need groups getting together and people leading that like good job yeah I know these guys have talked about it too okay yeah make a clubhouse it could make something cool I mean I think you just tell people hey let's get together here and play and people will show up yeah yeah build it I mean you do have you have this podcast you could tell people every week oh yeah yeah meet us at Kakaako we're gonna play these songs you could do that and if you're not on the island we'll Facebook live it oh that one wise guy I'm in San Diego I can't he's getting sick he's sick she's giving me a ride he's had a rough day you need some milk I'm on the mend he's on his way I mean nachos and then sesame tacos I do host a the San Francisco Oakland Festival and that's kind of just developed over the years of you guys know oh cool any you know yeah lead the SFU jam community the San Francisco Bay Area ukulele community and the festival just was kind of born out of that our our gatherings got to be like 300 400 people for a jam and yeah we decided to have a festival and so that's one of the things I'm focusing on and have learned a lot about organizing because I like to just be an artist but sometimes when it's called upon for you to you know organize and take the lead you can't I got to do it and now that I'm here like Craig keeps doing like hey it's a deal we need some some more festivals in Hawaii mostly people see I have to get settled in first and then I also have an online subscriber community on patreon who would like to learn online with me I teach monthly live lessons on my patreon channel so you could check that up Oh we'll put a link okay you can show notes yes I really appreciate what you guys bring to the world and all of your thank you yeah and the beautiful instruments that you create thank you so much yeah it's been awesome to see the behind the scenes - oh yeah oh yeah see you guys next time

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Length: 53min 9sec (3189 seconds)

Published: Fri Aug 30 2019