Nick Pope on UFO sightings, the Navy and Pentagon | New York Post

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The consequences if any of this is true if just one case is true are so huge that it would be the biggest revelation in the human experience. We would have to rethink everything we think we know about ourselves our place in the cosmos. And it is scary. UFOs are one of the great, unexplained mysteries of human existence and yet the idea of them is so controversial and so divisive it's almost taboo to even talk about them. Well, in this series we're going there and we're going to. My name is Steven Greenstreet. I'm a journalist with The New York Post. Over the next few episodes we're going to examine the UFO phenomenon from every possible angle including video evidence, witness accounts and scientific analysis, all with the hope of gaining a better understanding of just what the heck these things are. Are they manmade or are they alien? That's a loaded question we’ll keep returning to in this series, but for all you skeptics watching, by the end of this episode I guarantee you you're going to be convinced something is out there. Because even if you don't believe in UFOs, our government definitely does. Welcome to the basement office. We are going to begin our series by dissecting the government's involvement in the world of UFOs. The mind-blowing fact the military has admitted that they exist and that according to the Pentagon they pose a quote threat to our homeland. We have the government insider when it comes to this matter. A man who has been called the real life Fox Mulder thanks to his work researching UFOs, Nick Pope. Nick, you're very credentialed. Your resumé is quite expansive. Why don’t you give me the nuts and bolts of it? I worked for the British government for 21 years at the Ministry of Defence, and for much of the early 90s I ran the U.K. UFO program. So my job was to research and investigate the phenomenon and come to a judgment about whether there was evidence of any threat to the defense of the UK or anything of more general scientific interest. So you've outlined everything you did in the U.K. investigating UFOs. Does the U.S. government have a similar program? Yes. The U.S. started in the UFO game in 1947 and they had then three programs under the name Sign, Grudge and Blue Book. Blue Book was the most famous long running one. It was essentially the same thing-- research and investigate the phenomenon see if there's a threat. So that was a public program. Then in 1969 they pulled the plug. They said Okay we've investigated and haven't found any evidence of a threat. We're out of the business of looking at this. And very recently it was revealed that actually they did have a program and probably still do. And I'm amazed how little political fallout there has been over the fact that the media and the U.S. people were effectively misled on that issue for decades. The truth came out in December of 2017 when the New York Times published a bombshell story revealing the existence of a secret Pentagon program to investigate UFOs called AATIP or advanced aerospace threat identification program. Here's what the Pentagon told me. “The mission was the ATF program did pursue research and investigation into unidentified aerial phenomena. The Department of Defense is always concerned about maintaining positive identification of all aircraft in our operating environment as well as identifying any foreign capability that may be a threat to the homeland. The department will continue to investigate through normal procedures reports of unidentified aircraft encountered by U.S. military aviators in order to ensure defense of the homeland and protection against strategic surprise by our nation's adversaries.” Back in 2017 when the New York Times published their report they also released a number of videos revealing Navy encounters with UFOs. In an exclusive statement to The Post the Pentagon told me these videos were quote “for research and analysis purposes by U.S. government agencies and industry partners and not for general public release.” So the general public was never supposed to see these videos. One of these three took place off the coast of San Diego in 2004 involving the USS Nimitz and one of its or two of its F 18 Navy fighters fighter jets. This is the footage that was captured. They see this tic tac object which you're seeing here in this footage. And the pilot said it was at least as long as his plane is about 40 feet. So the thing you're looking at is about 40 feet long. But he said there was another object below it just underneath the surface of the water that was maybe ten times as long. And this tic tac was like hovering above the surface of the water. And then we'd just disappear and he said they were like two antenna, L shaped antenna like on the bottom of this thing. Now while the footage itself alone without context offers nothing mind-blowing, the story behind what you're looking at is. Why should I be worried or dig deeper into the Nimitz footage? You don't know what you're looking at but that in a sense is the point of the story. You don't know what you're looking at, the pilots don't know what they're looking at, the radar operators don't know what they're tracking in the whole radar aspect of this story is very important in terms of corroboration. It's not just these trained observers, the pilots, it's being tracked on radar too. And in a sense the story is simply that the U.S. military in their fastest jets can't catch these UFOs. They are they are running rings around them. There's something out there, and there's this marvelous quote that I think one of the pilots came out with after this when he was asked well what do you think. He said “I don't know what it was but I sure as heck want to fly one.” You know when a U.S. Navy, when one of the top guns tells you something like that. This should be telling everyone something about UFOs. And it's fascinating to hear, now we're now we're going to watch this 2015 footage. The 2015 footage was taken off the East Coast. Same deal. Clear footage from Navy fighters. What blows my mind is again people whose full time jobs are to defend this country, to take to the air, identify threats, know when they're there and to take them out, they see these things and like wait what do we do? And when they start suddenly saying “well look at that thing go!” You know “there's a whole fleet of them” and you can hear the tension and excitement in their voices and you know that something extraordinary was going on. Yes. And the last clip we're going to play is the third of these three videos that were released. It's called the Go Fast UFO. These pilots observe an extremely fast moving object and are able to actually hone in on it. Their cameras are actually able to lock on this object and you hear it in their voice. In fact I want to turn it down because they get so loud. They're all watching this thing zip so fast and they're like look at that thing moving. These are guys that move for a living. These are guys that do fly for a living and they're blown away. Exactly when you fly thousands of miles an hour you don't get excited about that kind of thing unless it's orders of magnitude beyond that, and clearly they were seeing and experiencing something they never come across before. Apparently these clips are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to naval encounters with UFOs. In fact pilots have experienced so many sightings that in recent weeks brass has been forced to implement an official reporting protocol. But it turns out UFOs aren't just a Navy problem. I spoke with John Greenewald who runs the Black Vault, a site dedicated to unearthing government secrets by using the Freedom of Information Act. And he discovered that the Air Force is also dealing with UFO sightings. There's an air force manual that was called 10-206. It was undeniable proof that the Air Force was mandating their personnel officers to report UFOs. And so I trace the lineage of that particular document all the way through where the UFO reports had gone and so on. I am comfortable saying that there were UFO procedures and obviously they're there for a reason to investigate. And what I did through the Freedom of Information Act was not only discovered that document but throughout the years see that they were actively updating it. Now why is this important. Well because you can easily argue if something is not updated that it's potentially a manual a procedure something on the books that they forgot about that they don't care about. But they were actively updating it and UFOs specifically in Chapter 5 of this manual never came out. What that tells me I mean if UFOs were bunk if UFOs didn't exist if UFOs were anything that the military should be concerned about it wouldn't be in a manual for the Air Force. Right. Bigfoot’s not in the U.S. Air Force manual is it. The Yeti isn't. Ghosts aren’t in the U.S. Air Force manual. UFOs are. Do UFOs exist John? Yeah absolutely. So the Navy is not alone in encountering UFOs. The Air Force literally has it in their manual. We have video evidence of this. This is a video clip from Nellis Air Force Base, which is very close to actually Area 51 out in Nevada of a saucer, round saucer looking object flying about. And the military folks viewing this and observing this are commenting on what the heck is this thing, do we have anything on it, what's going on? And of course this being close to Area 51, it could be anything. But the fact that these guys on base have no idea … This is where it gets interesting to me. Now I don't buy into many of the conspiracy theories about this. Most of which say well it's probably some secret military program. These are the people that run the secret military programs. And when they're the ones having the discussion saying hey we've got this weird thing, then it should be a wakeup call for everyone. Military personnel are not the only pilots encountering UFOs. We're actually going to listen to audio FAA audio of commercial airliners having close encounters. This first one takes place off the coast of Oregon in 2017. Yeah well this is typical of I guess the sort of case that interests me, like a UFO where you're having this discussion and it's not some friend of a friend story. We have the recordings. And for the skeptics who say that no one takes UFOs seriously, they scramble military jets to try and intercept this thing and get a look at it and wait, what does it tell you when an F-16 can't catch something? Then clearly it goes back to the point speed and maneuverability. These UFOs, whatever they are, run rings around our best air defense fighters From your lofty position at the Ministry of Defense investigating UFOs. What are some of the mind blowing realities about these observed objects? Well I think it's the speeds and the maneuvers. I sat down and have spoken to Air Force pilots, commercial pilots, radar operators who have told me about visual sightings and radar tracking of objects performing speeds and maneuvers that we simply can't match. I mean not just it's a little bit faster than us, because then you could say well maybe it's just the next generation stealth fighter, but orders of magnitude above and beyond anything we can do. The idea that an object can hover, a huge object, you need an incredible amount of energy to keep something hovering like that. Some of these UFO reports, credible reports, pilots, military personnel police officers talk about objects the size of a football field, the size of an aircraft. No sound No sound. They don't break the sound barrier. They’re going mach two, three, four to 10. No sound barrier, boom, no sonic booms. It almost suggests a new physics or rather a physics that we currently can't understand or replicate. So the clip we're gonna see here takes place over the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Ireland between a British Airways flight and a Virgin Atlantic flight. So the thing that blows me away about this is the description of what they're seeing. They see two bright lights. The one pilot says it came up. She describes it coming up and then veering away at speed. And pilots are familiar with airspeed. What's moving. How fast etc. when you've got multiple pilots exclaiming “This sucker is moving very fast,” what's going on here? Well it's interesting because the main skeptical theory here is that it was maybe it’s the burning up in the Earth's atmosphere of some sort of fireball meteor. But then you listen to the recording you hear clear references to a change of direction. One of the references to the object veering away, one of the other references to the object climbing rapidly. It goes back to the point. It's not just the speeds it's the maneuvers. And again there are dozens if not hundreds of these examples of these. Let's take a listen. OK so another example of American Airlines pilot you know flying through the air. I mean picture this, you guys have been on planes the audience everyone's been on planes. Imagine your pilot in the in the cockpit going well like what was that and then calling the radar control tower and going “Hey man did something just like fly over us” radar tower says “we got nothing”. Right. “We didn't see a thing”. Right. And then in this clip they call the airplane behind him and say “hey this guy in front of you saw something pass over, tell me if you see something”. Zip, it flies over him. Now the pilot interestingly he wasn't afraid to use the phrase UFO. Most of them are. And I've come across many, many cases where people get around this by just using code phrases like we've seen an unusual aircraft or an unconventional helicopter. The word UFO, you say it people the knee jerk reaction that it equals aliens UFO aliens. It means unidentified flying objects. We've investigated we looked at this thing, and we still don't know what it is. It's a UFO, it's an unidentified flying object. UFO is or should mean simply something in our airspace that we can't identify. And of course every government and air force on the face of the planet wants to know what's in its skies. Are there any threats, are there any opportunities? Is it the Russians? Is it somebody else? I can't deny, I sit here right now and I can't deny that UFOs exist. I can't go that far to say there are extraterrestrial. But, correct me if I'm wrong. The leading hypothesis is that they are. Yes even within government we admitted that it was a possibility. But the more I delved back into those real life X Files and the more I started investigating the new cases that came in every day. The more I began to say wait a minute not all these people are wrong not all these people are crazy. And what do I tell the pilot be they an experienced commercial aircraft captain or be they a fast jet pilot in the Air Force. What do I tell those sorts of people when they come to me and say I've seen this incredible object. I chased it. It outmaneuvered me at every turn. It is scary. Yeah I totally agree. I think if they are visiting us here, although we have a space program we haven't got very far. Any technology, viable interstellar travel technology that extraterrestrial must possess if they are visiting us, clearly is in orders of magnitude above anything we've got. And yes absolutely. That's scary. That's why government views this in terms of threats and opportunities, because they are smarter than us and more advanced. That's a worry. You know the skeptics have to be right every single day. The believers only need to be right once. And this is the ultimate game changer. I mean we only need of all those documents that you've read, all those cases you've looked at, all the videos, only one of them needs to be extraterrestrial. And we rewrite the history books. Right. Only one of those changes the course of. Humanity.
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Length: 24min 5sec (1445 seconds)
Published: Wed May 29 2019
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Why don't cockpits have simple persistent dash cameras yet?

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/InternetCaesar 📅︎︎ May 29 2019 🗫︎ replies

I’m looking forward to the O’Hare incident being fully disclosed with picture and eye witnesses coming forward.

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/Carnotaur3 📅︎︎ May 29 2019 🗫︎ replies

So my take on this event comprises several opinions - I highlight their my opinions.

1) The craft were not terrestrial in origin, their flight behaviour and relationship to our understanding of physics implies the technology that powers them is well in advance of ours.

2) These craft were observing a powerful military forces of ours; a reconnaissance mission? I do not necessarily mean in a hostile way. A full dress war rehearsal by a US carrier group prior to active deployment seems to be an event an extra terrestrial species might be interested in observing. It is certainly a showcase of our current behaviour, technologies and abilities.

3) Given the above point it may well have also been a test; to see if we responded with force at the mere sight of these crafts i.e the F-18s attempted to engage the craft with active missile firing etc.

As our species continues to advance technologically, and perhaps behaviourally, maybe extraterrestrial species are considering contacting us. Or they are merely continuing a passive level of observation that we have only recently started to notice. As stated just my opinion on the matter.

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/laddism 📅︎︎ May 30 2019 🗫︎ replies
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