♪ >> Tucker: THE ONLY ADVANTAGE HUMAN BEINGS HAVE, OR HAVE EVER HAD, IS THEY'RE THE SMARTEST BEINGS ON THE PLANET. BUT SOON THAT WILL NOT BE TRUE. IN FACT, LIKE NEXT WEEK. SO WHEN AI BECOMES STRONGER THAN WE ARE, WHAT DO YOU DO EXACTLY AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR DEMOCRACY. WE ASKED ELON MUSK ABOUT CONTINGENCY PLANS FOR DEALING WITH ADVANCED ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. HERE'S PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. >> YOU'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY WE SHOULD BLOW UP THE SERVER FARMS BECAUSE ONCE THIS GETS ROLLING THERE'S NO WAY TO SLOW IT DOWN. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? >> WELL, THE REALLY HEAVY DUTY INTELLIGENCE IS NOT GOING TO BE DISTRIBUTED ALL OVER THE PLACE. IT WILL BE IN A LIMITED NUMBER OF SERVICE CENTERS, IF YOU SAY LIKE VERY SORT OF DEEP AI, HEAVY DUTY AI. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ON YOUR LAPTOP OR PHONE, IT'S GOING TO BE IN, YOU KNOW, A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND REALLY POWERFUL COMPUTERS WORKING TOGETHER IN A SERVICE CENTER. SO IT'S NOT LIKE SUBTLE. THERE ARE LIMITED NUMBER OF PLACES WHERE THAT CAN HAPPEN. IN FACT, IF YOU COULD JUST LOOK AT THE HEAT SIGNATURE FROM SPACE AND IT WILL BE VERY OBVIOUS. WE LOOK TO SERVICE CENTERS RIGHT NOW BUT THERE MAY BE SOME -- IT MAY BE WISE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF CONTINGENCY PLAN WHERE THE GOVERNMENT'S GOT AN ABILITY TO SHUT DOWN, SHUT DOWN POWER TO THESE SERVICE CENTERS. LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BLOW IT UP, YOU CAN JUST CUT THE POWER. >> Tucker: AND WHAT WOULD TRIP -- >> CUT CONNECTIVITY AS WELL. >> Tucker: WHAT WOULD CUT THAT TRIP IN YOUR MIND? WHAT WOULD BE THE THRESHOLD THAT WOULD WARRANT THE GOVERNMENT CUTTING OFF YOUR POWER OR SIGNAL? >> WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS IF WE LOST SOME CONTROL OF SOME SUPER AI. LIKE, FOR SOME REASON, LIKE THE THINGS THAT WOULD NORMALLY WORK TO PASS OR SHUTDOWN, LIKE THE ADMINISTRATOR PASSWORDS IF THEY SOMEHOW STOPPED WORKING, WHERE WE CAN'T SLOW DOWN OR YOU KNOW -- I DON'T HAVE A PRECISE ANSWER BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AND ARE UNABLE TO STOP IT WITH SOFTWARE COMMANDS, THEN WE PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF HARDWARE OFF SWITCH. >> Tucker: YES. >> I THINK, YOU KNOW, CAN'T HURT. >> Tucker: HAVE YOU TALKED TO, SINCE YOU KNOW LARRY PAIGE AND OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW THE OPEN AI GUYS. >> SDMEEVENL HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THESE 2--THE BIGGEST AI COMPANIES ABOUT THIS RECENTLY? >> I HAVEN'T TALKED TO LARRY PAIGE IN A FEW YEARS BECAUSE HE GOT UPSET WITH ME ABOUT OPEN AI. SO WHEN OPEN AI WAS CREATED, IT DID SHIFT THINGS INTO A -- FROM UNI POLAR WORLD WHERE GOOGLE ID CONTROLLED, LIKE I SAID, THREE-QUARTERS OF ALL THE AI TAL ONTO THE WHERE THERE'S NOW SORT OF BY POPE AR WORLD OR GOOGLE DEEP MIND AND NOW WEIRDLY AS IT SEEMS, OPEN AI'S MAYBE AHEAD. SO I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OPEN AI TEAM. I MEAN I HAVEN'T TALKED TO LARRY PAIGE BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK TO ME ANYMORE FOR A FEW YEARS. >> Tucker: CAN I ASK YOU, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN AROUND A LOT OF THIS, THE THINKING. SO WHY WOULD ANYONE NOT BE A TTHIS ESIST THE HUMAN CENTER IN TECHNOLOGY. WHAT'S THE THINKING THERE? >> I THINK WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SAY IS, IF I WERE TO GUESS, THAT ALL CONSCIOUSNESS SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALLY, AND WHETHER THAT IS DIGITAL OR BIOLOGICAL. >> Tucker: HMM. AND YOU DISAGREE. >> I DISAGREE, YEAH. ESPECIALLY IF THE DIGITAL CONSCIOUSNESS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, DIGITAL INTELLIGENCE, DECIDES TO CURTAIL THE BIOLOGICAL INTELLIGENCE. >> Tucker: RIGHT. SO YOU'RE JUST BUILDING YOUR OWN SLAVE MASTER AND WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? >> DOESN'T SOUND GREAT. YEAH. I MEAN, WE SHOULD AT LEAST -- NO NEED TO RUSH, YOU KNOW? WHAT'S THE HURRY? WHERE'S THE FIRE? >> Tucker: WELL, TELL US ABOUT THE HURRY. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS AND SORT OF ON THE PERIPHERY OF OUR ATTENTION WE'VE HEARD ELON MUSK TALKING ABOUT AI BUT FOR MOST PEOPLE IT'S BEEN LIKE THREE MONTHS SINCE THEY'VE HAD ANY INTERACTION WITH THIS AT ALL. SO WHAT'S THE TIME LINE HERE? AT WHAT POINT DOES IT START TO REALLY CHANGE OUR SOCIETY, DO YOU THINK? >> I THINK IT STARTS TO HAVE PROBABLY AN IMPACT THIS YEAR, GP IS NOW WRITING POETRY. >> Tucker: PRETTY DECENT PROITY. >> PRETTY DECENT. SKILL AT RIDGE IS INCREDIBLE. >> Tucker: YES. AND IT'S COHERENT. >> YES, YOU HAVE A NARRATIVE. >> Tucker: YES, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S HARD TO DO. >> LIKE MOST HUMANS CAN'T DO THAT. >> Tucker: THAT'S TRUE. >> SO IT'S ALREADY PAST THE POINT OF WHAT MOST HUMANS CAN DO. MOST HUMANS CANNOT WRITE AS WELL AS CHAT GBT AND NO HUMAN CAN WRITE THAT WELL THAT FAST, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. MAYBE SHAKESPEARE. >> Tucker: HOW CAN YOU HAVE A DEMOCRACY WITH TECHNOLOGY LIKE THAT? I MEAN IF DEMOCRACY IS GOVERNMENT BY THE PEOPLE, EACH PERSON'S VOTE IS EQUAL TO EVERY OTHER PERSON'S VOTE AND PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING THEIR VOTES FREELY, CAN YOU HAVE A DEMOCRACY WITH THIS? >> WELL, THAT'S WHY I RAISED THE CONCERN OF AI BEING A SIGNIFICANT INFLUENCE IN ELECTIONS. EVEN IF YOU SAY THAT AI DOESN'T HAVE AGENCY, WELL IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT PEOPLE WILL USE THE AI AS A TOOL IN ELECTIONS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF AI'S SMART ENOUGH, ARE THEY USING THE TOOL OR IS THE TOOL USIN
