Elon Musk Drops EPIC Interview!!!

congratulations on the Starship rocket last week and the first soft Landing in the ocean for the world's most powerful rocket vehicle it's a remarkable achievement you are taking the fiction out of Science Fiction can you share with us what your thoughts what thoughts were running through your head when you saw that happening and what's next I would say I was incredibly excited that we achieved those Milestones I I thought perhaps we had maybe 20 or 25 chance of achieving both Milestones where the booster and the ship both did a soft propulsive Landing in the ocean and so it really was we achieved all the objectives which I thought was unlikely and that's thanks to incredible team at SpaceX I think we've got the most talented team of Rocket years that has ever been assembled and that's how we're able to accomplish these things so it's always an honor to work with the great people to accomplish great things so what's next in in the final Frontier what do you see ahead for is to develop the Technologies necessary to extend Consciousness beyond Earth so I that this is sort of a little cerebral but perhaps appropriate for a KO event they quite cerebral but if you think about the sort of FY filters of you know enrio F was always wondered where are the aliens why do we not see signs of them and I frequently get asked are there aliens on Earth and I haven't seen any signs of aliens and I promise you the the minute I see any evidence of aliens I'll will immediately post it on the xplatform most popular post of all time so but that we haven't actually seen any evidence why I'm not aware of any it's just that Consciousness is extremely rare now if we believe the archaeological record in the stard model of physics Earth is about 4 and2 billion years old civilization as measured by the first writing is only about 5,000 years old so archaic prec uniform in rough 5500 roughly 5500 years ago was the first writing I think that's a good date for the start of civilization which which means that Civilization has only been around for 1 millionth of Earth's existence almost nothing I think this potentially argues for civilization being fleeting and fragile and so the thing that we can do to increase the probable lifespan of civilization is to be a multi-planet species to extend Consciousness to other planets ultimately to other star systems and um and this would massively improve the probable lifespan of humanity and Consciousness as we know so that's it's it's really trying to get past the single planet FY filter that that's the goal of SpaceX that's why we're building such a big rocket it's far in excess of anything that's needed to put satellites into Earth orbit and it's really it's a planet colonizer it's uh intended to build as quickly as possible a self-sustaining City on Mars and I think you know there's somewhat of a race between making a self-sustaining City on Mars and global thermonuclear war or some Calamity whichever if if we have some civilization end ending Calamity before that happens then you know that's all they wrote you know that's some perhaps some future aliens will discover our civilization and say well they they they almost got there you know so so that that's the goal I think that's kind of an important thing to convey to people in the audience to think about the future and you know you care about the not just the preservation but the extension of civilization extent the growth of the scope and scale of Consciousness so yeah so that's that's the goal make life multiplanetary is the goal of SpaceX and you know along the way we'll seek to generate revenue from any space-based activities such as providing you building interet internet system in space anything that's sort of space related in order to fund the the extension of Consciousness beyond that makes a lot of sense to me we shouldn't keep all our eggs in one basket we should try to diversify risk so thank you for doing Mankind's work but that's not the only thing you're doing if anyone has missed it you're also revolutionizing electric cars and its neuralink it's AI the boring company and if you missed that he recently bought Twitter and renamed it X as well where we're live streaming as right now yeah see that's Fab with the audience to me it's exhausting just to read the list of these things I think what's Alex Fergeson the football coach the soccer coach who said that hard work is a talent but it's also hard it's actually quite exhausting so the question is what's the big plan what's the overarching goal is it just that you can't help yourself from getting involved in every technological field or is there an overarching goal yeah the overarching goal is to take the set of actions that are most likely to improve the probability the future is good and that lead to the uh the expansion of consciousness and our understanding of the the universe you know this is somewhat prompted by a figure out what's the meaning of life you know uh so you I had this existential crisis when I was a kid trying to figure out like what's the meaning of life is just pointless like and I read a lot of books on on philosophy and religious books and whatnot and ultimately the thing that I felt was most enlightening was dougas Adams hitra gu the Galaxy where you know Earth is basically this giant computer to answer the question what is the meaning of life and it comes up with the s 42 but turns out that actually the answer is the easy part and the hard part is the question where we don't actually know the right questions to ask so I thought well if we expand the scrop scale Consciousness then we're better able to understand what questions to ask about the answer that is the UN of us the hitchhike is Guide to the Galaxy great book and I advise everyone to read it h maybe you can become the next Elon Musk if you do thank you also Elon for putting the role of the moderator and the interviewer and and on a in the spotlight coming up with the right questions that's the most important thing so let me ask you the next question then and try to probe a little bit deeper into what you're really doing because as I understand you have six companies that you're running but you also have a seven or did you just come up with another one well I really the companies that take up the vast majority of my time are Tesla and space act so yeah so that and then the other companies are much smaller and I you know I don't run sort of the X5 form dayto day that's Lind acarino I do Drive the product development and the S future Improvement that kind of thing and you know it's so that's really it's not like it's these companies are very different in scale like Tesla's I don't know about 140,000 people and SpaceX is about 15,000 people and all the other companies are less a few hundred people or less yeah so very very different scales yeah but apart from that you also have if it's six companies give or take you also have a seventh or what it might be and that's to navigate bureaucracy and regulations while you're doing this and this has been a conference about Innovation and Entrepreneurship and how do we do that that when there's so many obstacles in the way and it I mean it's difficult enough to get to Mars it's it's rocket science literally but you also have to navigate regulation and precautionary mindset So and I've understood that your style of management is to question every requirement to create Clarity by never accepting that it just came from some Department someplace every requirement should come with the name of the person who made it because this makes it possible to question whether it makes sense on the conviction that only nature makes the real law everything else is a recommendation and that sounds great but I think many politicians and bureaucrats would beg to differ right yeah well with respect to laws and regulation we do have a fundamental issue which is a natural outcome of an extended period of prosperity where there there really hasn't been sort of a global war or you know this when things have been prosperous for a long time you just get you get an accumulation of laws and regulations naturally and these laws and regulations are Immortal whereas humans are obviously mortal so the longer you you have this generation of this this this creation of rules and regulations the you but you sort of get to this point where you know each law regulation is not perhaps crippling in and of itself but they're all like little strings that that like a million little strings that that tie Gula down so like each little strain and eventually the giant can't move so we in in in the west I think we have created a regulatory grid LW where just almost everything is illegal this is why they can't build um a high-speed rail in California they spent $7 billion and there's a, 1600t section is all they have to show for it and doesn't even have rails on it it's really you know too absurd for parody because large projects are essentially illegal in California so and much of Europe and other countries so there has to be some garbage collection process for removing rules and regulations in order for society to function and not to you know get hardening of the arteries just to to the point where you can't do anything and this relates to our risk aversion I think in the classical liberal tradition one important starting point is that we just don't know everything we so the world is a game of learning and of Discovery and therefore it takes trial and error and experiments to get to the right place and I've realized that when I'm looking at your businesses that you're not really the risk averse type on the contrary you shouldn't avoid problems but test things fast to find out what the problem is fast and then fix it fast so a rocket blowing up might not be a mistake it might be an important step of leveling up to the next stage of knowledge and of but that's the total opposite of much of the risk ofe culture in many businesses and certainly in in governments so and many are so conservative that they wouldn't allow anyone to do anything for the first time so the question is how do you deal with that kind of risk averse culture what changes in culture and in regulation would you make to make the world world safe for experiments well I said at a government level I think that there should be a regulation removal department and probably some which when when you pass new laws they should have some kind of sunset perhaps that they need to be reaffirmed before they are or or they just they expire the thing that tends to happen is that once regulations are passed that if an ecosystem of Consultants forms around those regulations that wants to keep them going environmental regulations are particularly bad in this regard so you know am very much Pro environment but the the environmental regulations are in my view largely terrible and they're very much sort of you have to get permission in advance as opposed to say paying a penalty if you do something wrong which I think would be much more effective to say like look we're going to do this project if something goes wrong then we'll be forced Fair penalty but we do not need to go through a three or foure environment or environmental approval process so just changing things from you know you have to get a permission in advance to you have to pay a penalty if you do something bad I think would be profoundly effective for the advancement of of large projects just in general I think governments around the world should be actively deleting regulations questioning whether the Departments exist obviously president blay seems to be doing a fantastic job on this front just deleting things deleting entire departments fantastic yes I mean here here's the thing about like if you leete departments and regulations you can always put them back out that those were very important you could always put them back um and really this is like TR taking the breakes off of a an economy and and of a civilization it's we need to snap those strings that are holding G of it down and preventing us from making progress as a civilization yeah we've been discussing Argentina here over the past few days in the New Classic liberal reform agenda and the next speaker here on stage is President mle and of course he's up against Decades of of not just obstacles in general but stagnation but he's coming there with his chainsaw who a very famous clip of him on social media was when he's looking at bureaucracy and spending in government departments and just removing them one by one a which I guess means sort of get just get rid of it sure doesn't that remind you of something your own idea about the value of subtraction when it comes to Innovation and business delete any part of the process you can and apparently if you don't end up putting 10% back in you did not delete enough so uh sorry yeah there I I sort of I always I like to use sort of the tools of like a first principles approach to things and so the sort of a a simple algorithm that I developed after making the same mistake over and over again was and I need to repeat it to myself so I I make hopefully make these mistakes less often is uh that you start off first by making the requirements less dumb so so you delete the requirements as you know delete and simplify the requirements because if you don't delete the simplify the requirements you are simply going to get in the best case outcome is the the right answer to the wrong question and then you also now a lot of this involves like sort of technology companies but you want to delete first then once you've addressed the requirements attempt to delete the part or process step and if you haven't deleted at if if you're not forced to put back in at least 10% of what you delete you're obviously being far too conservative in the ble so but people often afraid to delete things and and I'm like well let's just you just go ahead and do it and and if you're not putting a little bit back in you're just not deleting enough obviously so I really would I think this is a very big deal if is over overd deltion of rules and regulations and you'll end up putting a few back and that's fine yeah I toldt you he's not risk averse right you follow pretty sensible it's just sensible really I I think it stands the test of logical examination and to me that seems to be what president mle is trying to do in Argentina as well too delete what's not absolutely essential to leave space for creativity and and Entrepreneurship you've met him repeatedly you've seen what's going on in Argentina do you have any thoughts about that his Ambitions how important it is for Argentina and possibly for the rest of the world with a case right here right now well I I think it is very important that Argentina succeed and that we give uh president M our full support and I I think this and my prediction is that unless president mle is stalked in some way from taking the actions that he wants to take that Argentina will have a massive growth in the economy and there will be far more prosperity and and optimism about the future than there ever there has been perhaps in 100 years in just 10 minutes mle will will talk about those things from this stage would you be able to give him some advice if he wants to return Argentina into an innovation and Entrepreneurship Nation again what how should he go about it well from everything I've read he's he's making All the Right Moves I would just encourage the people of Argentina to give him their full support run this experiment because clearly the things the policies of the past have have not succeeded we know that for a fact so let us let us I think go boldly into the future you know I hope people have arately give him their full support and and I think it'll be a very exciting adventure and I think it's going to work out really well could I just then broaden that question about innovation and future of economies because right now it seems like active industrial policy all the rage not just in the old left but sometimes in the populist right as well the idea that governments should get heavily involved and pick certain winners in business and in technology they all often talk about trying to come up with government moonshots to create the the future which I find a little bit ironic because the landing a man on the moon was great but it didn't give us any kind of industry we didn't see internet from the space no moon base no asteroid mining no solar power in space because it was political and not commercial so because it was political it was okay to spend tons of money but it also made it unsustainable in the future it only became a commercially viable final frontier when SpaceX got into the race so could you tell us about how you see government's role in innovation I mean you were the guy who had to sue NASA to get them to open up space to to private providers as well what is the government's role in building the future of technology I I think the government's role is is really the it's to ensure that the playing field is a good Playfield that the rules that that there are good rules the the government is essentially the you know the football league and like the the referee the you know making sure that there's fair play that like like said that the rules are sensible and allowing the players on the field to play the game and what happens over time though is government keeps growing and a certain point you have more referees than players on the field and that game is not good yeah you do need referees I'm not saying you don't need referees but but you don't want the referees to outnumber the that would be silly but that's often what happens so it's just make sure that that the play the fair games are being played that the that are sensible rules and I think and don't get on the way of the players and the results will be excellent when we met in Austin recently you talked about socialism as a concept and the problem that when the government gets too heavily involved you lose the feedback mechanisms that really force them to continue to learn improve and do things better all over again would you be willing to share those thoughts with the audience yeah like another way you think the government is like a corporation in the limit it is the most it it is the biggest corporation and it is a monopoly and one that can really can of only go bankrupt if the country goes bankrupt so it doesn't have the the sort of you know commercial corporations if the if they make bad products fail to compete then they will go bankrupt and and they should if they make bad products so a government is essentially Corporation in the limit and since it is Monopoly and and there's no there's just you can think like like I think one way to think of economy is just in terms of feedback leops and the feedback loop for government provided services to be excellent is weak because if like if you have if you have a a Government monopoly or anything what do your you as a consumer have no Alternatives you have no means of you know I so say like say think of the Department of Mo Motor Vehicles like the DMV you know and it's very inefficient you wouldn't want the DMV to make you know and if you don't get good service from the government what do you do who do you complain to what and you just you know competition breeds Excellence because two organizations or more organizations are fighting to make the end consumer happy and one will get market share if they do a better job than the other so that's why we really want government to do the least because it's just got the broken people boring right so but I'd like to pick your brains on it one of them being free speech you bought Twitter partly to as you've said described it's a save an open platform to save free speech and that's very laudable but of course there are also tradeoffs the old saying goes if you keep your mind sufficiently open people will throw a lot of rubbish into it so obviously when we have free speech we'll get some ugly stuff as well even toxic can you talk about why to you it's so important to save freedom of speech for to you and for society and the progress of society yeah well for platform like the X platform only Twitter there will be things that are said that are incorrect but it provides an immediate feedback loop for correcting the things that are wrong so somebody says something well then another person can reply and rebut what that person saying and can be just an ongoing sort of dialogue or argument to and and someone can read the whole thread and see okay this person said something but somebody counteracted that there was further rebuttal there was more context added and and that will give them the best understanding of the situation as compared to say a legacy news media article where it's you just have the opinion of the reporter no rebuttal no comments no no counter argument and very often what's what printed in the Press is completely false and people don't know but on real time interactive platform like X like they can see the like I said they can see the not just what somebody said but what are the rebuttals what the counter arguments and we've got things like Community notes which I think is very helpful where if something somebody says something false sort of inaccurate or misleading then the sort of the core secret to community notes is that for a note to be attached to a post people who normally disagree about a subject must agree on that on that City note for it to be shown so the probability of it being accurate is very high because people who historically disagree are are only going to agree on something that is quite accurate so it's all down to feedback loops basically um you've been remarkably generous with your time so I'll just give you a last question possibility for some last thoughts it seems to me that your Take On The World Is that progress doesn't happen by itself it's not automatic after the moon landing we went back from the final frontier for half a century and Argentina has been stagnating for almost a century by now it takes human agency someone's got to do it and in the light of that are you optimistic about human progress and if so what are you about and what do you think that people are listening today and and think TS like the Kato Institute can do to speed progress up well it it does seem as though like Civilization is reaching New Heights in technology I think we've got quite a bit of momentum I I do worry about certain existential risks like the low birth rate which is accelerating in in most countries you know and really this is one of those things that I think is underrated as an issue is that if there no no humans there's no Humanity they you have to make them somehow and I think we should be very concerned about the accelerating of of the birth rate this is a super big deal like basically nothing else matters if there are no humans like as a first as a initial premise you must have humans for within civil unless we're going to leave it all to the RO so this I think is is massively underweighted and I don't have a great solution to it but it must be solved somehow or Humanity will nothing perhaps if we give people a hope and a belief in the future and that it'll get better that they want more people to see it yeah I I agree I think we should have an optimistic view of the future and like I do think that one sort of bad like bad thing about the environmentalist movement is that the in the sort of extreme form of the environmentalist movement you people start to view humans as a place on the surface of the Earth as a fundamentally bad thing and with the implication that if orus disappeared somehow would be better off this is the extinctionist movement and I think you can really I think at a fundamental level you can think of things as a fight between expansionist and extinctionist philosophies and the that that's what really matters like everything else is humans state or civilization collapses whatever policies we may have are irrelevant so first and foremost we must must have an expansionist Philosophy for civilization for Consciousness we must seek to you know go go beyond what we've done in the past to increase the I think increase the number of humans and this is incredibly fundamental so one way or another this must happen yeah so the final message is go forth and procreate yes and go forth and multiply in a free civilization yeah yes well you know time flies and opportunity cost is a concept that's very viable when you're talking to Elon Musk so thank you so much for your time uh here today and I'm sure you've got other important things to attend to now good luck

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Length: 24min 39sec (1479 seconds)

Published: Wed Jun 12 2024