Eichmann trial - Session No. 64 , 65

president of court please place the skull cap on your head you speak Hebrew do you I do speak Hebrew but I want to testify in Yiddish president of court please go ahead please place your right hand on the Bible now all the previous remarks which were not translated were connected with a technical hitch about the microphone please say after me I swear by God Almighty that's my testimony in this trial will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth you may remove the skullcap from your head and please give us your full name is Nick Yosef if you wish you may also remain in Maidan topic in Dublin where were they taken mr. Reznik all brought to field number 5 what happened to all of these people on the 2nd and 3rd of November 1943 being brought to the field 5 the whole columns would be sent to the graves the gate was open and all the men were driven into those graves driven to their death while the bands played fans kept on playing all the time and they chose the music so that these people the inmates should not see and not notice how the others were being taken to that day mashaallah sedara a mushy - ring - ring rajaiahhhhhh to pursue a Charla burrows from the area and in the graves the machine and then an SS officer approached you and asked you what your occupation was is that right then he told you to start digging you began digging and what did you discover a big moustache roofless meet a mole also do forget mazzaglia mention I was digging with my Spade and after removing after two or three falls of the Spade I felt that the Spade hit something hard and then I saw that it was the head of a human being there was also a bad smell all around I'll ask you the questions about this subject now you wanted to stop working patrol finger came and shouted at you screamed at me and said why did you stop working why did you halt don't you know that there are bodies buried in this grave well in other words you had opened a mass grave is that right yes how many bodies were in the grave this is given by under fifty sick of the bassoon exhibit sick method the link how many bodies there were in the grave this was the first grave 150 170 meters long and there was some ten thousand corpses in that grave now you exhume the bodies and you were told to burn them isn't that right yes bring kind of a grinding machine to the place Simone de Bainer no confab lenin is giving the boehner Zenga stalin who may not use if the boehner but a balancing standing life on seven Amanda's gold what does this given gold or that say nothin fun dimension when the Bainer what men he worked in a machine was such a mode Hospital north among men Sofia the the male from the mentioned the bane of the pool of death elder doses Givens they are bitter meters mr. Kent out Nirmala fellow human ah they brought a grinding machine to grind the bones and then the ground material would be sieved and they would remove the gold fillings of the bones after burning the bodies were ground then the dust of the bones would be taken to the fields to be spread over the fields the smell was terrible one could hardly breathe unless you continued working for quite some time in opening graves three months how many graves did you open during that period eight or nine graves I do not remember exactly one of the graves would remain open all the time for new corpses the new corpses would be coming on all the time continuously I would bring them hot warm bodies which would be thrown into the graves they were they were naked like Adam and Eve no the bodies which you open the graves which you open could you identify whether these were graves of Jews because I found many documents and there were bearded Jews there were those who used to perform the slaughter the ritual slaughter the Jewish ritual slaughter how could you recognize the very way did you see the execution of men at my direct yes by hanging how many times it was almost daily daily it was you said daily yes this upheld the roll call that was usually at 6:00 a.m. when they had the punishments it was enough for a century to take down the number of an inmate and to hand it over to the senior the camp senior and then during the roll call the inmates would be called president of Court this is the elder of the camp and other words to the interpreter of court and then they would call this inmate there were punishments by hanging and then by beating according to the transgressions what offense would they be hanged and which offense called for beatings for neglecting work this could have been hanging absence from work also well absent from work did not really exist I meant being away from work for a few moments or even if for the century the guard just didn't take a liking to you and then in the presence of the entire camp without any explanations the people would be hanged they had to undress climb up on a chair and they would call the man to step forward to come out of the line and tell him to round the gallows did he know before no he did not know this who would be the hangman ESS and there were also punishments by beating the beatings they had a special chair designed for that purpose the inmate had to enter into this chair his hands were put inside in his feet and the lower part of his body was exposed and on both sides two SS people were standing and they had whips in their hands and they would be Tim and inmate her to count the blows where you also flogged in this way and the same way how many floggings did you get it was three times I was whipped three times once it was but I was then told that I did not reach 25 floggings I fainted apparently I also relieve myself in the course of this and then again strokes of the lash repeatedly yes yes and then on the next morning a delegation appeared we were surprised to see SS people and in the center I saw Eichmann in the center of this Commission you saw iseman yes is this the man you saw at the time well he has changed but his features have not changed I remember that well the moment when they first said that when I heard that they were searches for him no I knew this was the man what do you do in the chem review very superficially what it's what they had I was at the end of the line I was low I was not so tall and when he passed I heard I heard something saying take a whole pile away something like that yes those guns - second a man he said judge Haleiwa please repeat the words in German there's Gunter how often is that all that's guns - yes second a man who said it iseman said that president of court - the shorthand typist - note the words in their original language well none of us were ever Paul people loiter this did not exist this was the same with all SS people - they did a pieman use that expression this word la vie what does it signify how garbage pile a pile of manure or something like that and this referred to the prisoners of course when were you liberated from my donek in 1944 the beginning of 1944 months as a Christian yes as a Christian you were called to the commander's office and what were you told I was told at first I thought that my end had come this was the way for hanging people usually they would call them by the loudspeaker my number was called yes and I was told to report in the office there we stood for several hours I saw some of the people I knew some of the people who had been there mainly Polish boys there were no Jews among them and then we were taken to a house it was known as the Red House in my day this was the office of the administration an SS man came out who spoke polish and told us that we were free but first we had to sign that we would never tell what we had seen when was that the date it was in the spring of 1944 was there a case of a Jew being released from my Zdenek no but he was known to be a Jew and released was the such a case ever never dr. servicing was left there was a dog good that I saw was that dog that dog belong to one SS men from camp number three and we called him bed L he was actually responsible for the showers and what was indeed gas chambers later on this a dog was passed to unterscharführer Paulo he called the dog mentioned when he said to the dog on the prisoners he said man attack the dog he said you are actually my representative you are my deputy this is what you would say to the dog whoever was caught by the dog killed by the Germans because the Germans didn't like to see any wounded fever and sick people I was bitten twice by that dog I still have the mouth of my body this was a pure fluke that I really remained alive in spite of it there was another dog he was it was a bit weaker the other one was extremely big was as big as of cars so to speak first of all he would overthrow a man right away and the man attacked by him were completely helpless and after work people were simply afraid to approach the area where the dog was to be expected and they would walk a distance of about 300 by permission of your honors I do not have a copy of this diagram but I would like the witness to point out a number of places in this sketch he identified them he says the sketch is correct I would like to show it to the witness now it is president it will be a little difficult because either he sees it or we do mr. house now could the witness approach the bench and perhaps we should we could also approach by your permission dr. Cervantes president of court doctor services could you also please come to the bench and we shall all of us look at this sketch mr. Hausner where did you get to in the trains or where would the trains be arriving it says here on the sketch SS train is that inside the camp president of Court I see that your voices are not carried because you are not speaking into the microphone we should have to make some kind of an arrangement here mr. house now now you would be arrived at this place marked on the map SS train the button to the camp there were also internal barbed-wire entanglements and people were brought to such a place would you look in the middle of the map here mr. Freiburg can you know yes and you identify this they would bring people to a certain place at first and that was actually the first stop of the people here they would be selected namely men were sifted from women and children then they would continue to go that way which is indicated here president of court I see it is still not the arrangements as they're not good enough your voices are not carried I think the witness should return to his to the witness box it is a little little difficult to arrange it in this way those belongings soaked with blood what was your occupation in so v-ball what were you engaged in I was doing all sorts of other jobs most of my work consisted the so called selection stalls that we say we were selecting the belongings of people but I did all sorts of work in the camp I was for instance cleaning of the residential quarters of the Ukraine unions and for a certain period of time I was also sharing women's hair before they enter to the gas chambers who ordered you to perform this work the interval occurred in the transports carriages arrived with all sorts of the building material president of Corps did you understand the question to cut off women's hair this was SS galovski men and women only women what would be done with your hair when we returned then we saw big bags and we loaded those bags how do you know what happened to the hair later they put them on trucks what happened to your group the 150 people how long did you stay there how many of you survived after about 50 people all of them were murdered in all kinds of ways part of them part of them were gassed some of them went mad and was shot at immediately by the Germans on the spot did you try to commit suicide yes I did I made an attempt I hadn't slept that night this was after the case of a suicide of my friend each of my friends either committed suicide or was killed one way or another we thought why should we just wait for death which was attended opponent why should we still go through the ordeal of suffering why should we make the Germans happy everyone said that about the implementation of the plan was not very easy that day I decide that night I decided to commit suicide I took a belt and I tried I must admit that our shilly-shallying I still had some hope flickering in my mind I thought perhaps I would be saved one way or another I had my doubts and then I abandoned the idea later on I was Jerusalem Alleluia amen was another song which you had to recite about all the Jews being cheats and so on there is another song could you just quote that one verse about the Jews being cheats and crooks that's often Akmal for Israel ops Tamir the errand of kites for Adam if it's wise and wise Vanessa Finnish funshine it's been are you with a value design there was another song I come from Israel the song started I despised honesty I dunno to eat pork I am a Jew I want to be a Joe mr. house nurse there were also horrible types of torture weren't there it beggars all description it is very difficult to relate about it now because it's almost impossible to believe it I can tell you about one day out of all those horrible days we passed this was the selection day they would begin there the selection of belongings we managed to bring all the belongings into one big pile and the supervisor would come we saw that there was an open umbrella on a roof this was about the height of seven meters a one boy wanted to close it he wanted to he was supposed to he was ordered to close it and had to climb our building and fell down but just because he fell down he was given 25 strokes this was at the height of five of seven meters an open umbrella was suspended he was supposed to close it and he fell down I was beaten to death though and today says the one said I found among the Jews of parachutists this is water the SS men said and then he would ask one man after the other to climb the rooftop and open the enclosed umbrella as a matter of fact almost all the people fell down and each one who fell down was beaten to death and the dog who was which was on the spot would accompany the strokes by his bites and other people were shot on the spot so that all the people who were working there would pass through that ordeal later all they would invent other little cases that people had to run and be shot at their trousers were bound with a rope and they were filled with mice mice were stuck into the trousers and they had to stand at attention Amma but of course they could not hold out they were beaten horribly and this is how it went on and the Nazis amused themselves and when this was over and other Germans called him even the terrible even the terrible yes that's what they called him his half of his beard was shaved off half of his head and one of his eyebrows Jewish barber had to do it to him by instructions and they always had to appear at the roll call these to shave Anderson half shaven yes half of their face and they tortured him horribly I often heard him flee to be shocked he was always brought back alive after all these torture and then they ordered him to go to this box office which they had where they had the drugs and they brought a few bottles of drugs and he was made to drink that drink this stuff he became yellow and dropped as if he were dead the german ordered for water to be brought and spilled over him he was beaten but he felt nothing he was numb the man again came to our camp the sharp fury he said the report should be brought and people had to walk along that plank very slowly step by step and sing the March the morning march on that day alone I don't know how many died but I saw a few incidents with my own eyes I think 5 or 6 people at least died within my eyes I saw that and these tortures I should like to say something else about it in general they made animals out of us people had to walk on all fours in Park and there was one man who for several days his function was to run all day like a dog on all fours and bark and and grab but other people as if he were a dog's eye they might invented various things in fact they disrupted work but through these so-called amusements often we just simply couldn't work it was couldn't be called work it was just for their amusement yes to what unity these Germans belong SS SS man understand who told you that he couldn't possibly carry on this work any longer is that so yes it was an extraordinary case an exception I was working in laying a narrow gauge railroad which was then used for the bodies and the for carting of the bodies and the wounded people and I was laying that track and there was one German get slinger was his name he was a horrible sadist killing people with his hammer with hammer blows and one day I came there for work and there was a man named winter storm Fira Schwarz I believe his name was I'm not too sure as much as we were afraid of these people I always feared a new man even more we saw a new SS man a senior officer I was awfully afraid high-ranking officer in what rank relatively this was high ranking for our concepts I loaded a lot of these railroad pieces of the rails on my back and he said you're mad why do you load so many of these pieces on your back so I unloaded one rail and he came and took off another few rails and he stopped me again he said we have time you can walk slowly so I walked slowly and this is how I worked that day when I came home in the evening I related this incident to the people and it became a legend there was this legend then that there is an SS man who behaves like a human being as first people would refuse to believe it but others encountered him we saw him when the transports came he walked about very ashamed he would sometimes you would say a good word but he would hide his face it would be ashamed he stayed there for about a month or six weeks that's all and once he came in the evening to our barrack and told us I didn't know where I was being brought to I didn't know this in advance and when I learned I immediately asked for a transfer he said and I'm leaving you now he shook hands with some people and wished us to survive that we might survive and he left he was an only case certainly an only case that was something another case but this was a this was different it wasn't that they only carried out instructions they rejoiced in this I think they invented the instructions well if they only had followed instructions they would exterminate people but these tortures that was not part of the instructions and there was one man who was transferred because his tortures had disrupted the work and they had to transfer him oh I decided to wait until the uprising took place the date was set for the 14th of October this was a Thursday I believe from 3:30 until the roll call for 4:15 we had to kill every German coming our way and we had a number of girls and children polish shoes for the SS men and clean floors they during the very last hours stole a few hadron a rifle a submachine gun and the number of pistols had brought them into the cab I had to do some work on date number one on the main gate of camp number one I was busy with a friend named David and 20 men we're standing under the toolshed when we removed all the tools we put in two boys into the shed and the Germans had all kinds of luxury things they ordered to send home in this tool shed the man responsible for the work in this workshop said to call the SS men that his order was ready untouched of fear and no man was first to come in he handed the horse to me and entered the carpentry he was a small man he entered the hut slower mr. biscuit which pleased with your description entered the carpentry is a man and never came out this costume fewer he was commander of the camp at the time he was killed in the carpentry I saw an SS man go into the shoemakers workshop and he was killed there later on a bicycle and had one of the Ukrainians and he was killed also in the shoe at the shoemaker so the Germans had not yet there was enough Francois felt he noticed something after a man was killed he was walking about with a whip shouting he and noticed and he was afraid to enter the camp thirteen Germans were killed in this way and a number of Ukrainians altogether some eighteen I saw the men coming from the woods killed the two put them on the cart they killed the men in the FA a shoemakers the Germans SS men who came into that shop what did the others - in the meantime others were waiting for the side to attack the munitions dump I had to give the side but at the last moment Bauer arrived with drinks camp number two and he was looking for laborers he did not notice that everybody was busy on a different job but this was exactly a few minutes before the uprising took me and daveed to camp number three after we learned to camp number two the witness mistake by the casino was he took us to camp number two and they were already 100 men on the walk and in a few minutes time the uprising should have broken out we arrived there and helped to unload the first case of drinks to the building we saw Herman Michel the cashier counting the money he did not notice anything I had a knife I stabbed him and evade stabbed the other we locked him into the cash room and ran out to drag the other case of drinks we heard hoorah the uprising began hoorah was the password this was the slogan for the uprising and there were shots already in the air this man David ran towards field number one Bauer drew his gun and shot after him running after him and that is how they are prising started we all read we entered the munitions dump and held the post as long as we could then we read how did you break through the fence the fence I could not run towards the fence I had to run towards camp number three that I would be killed there were two there was too much shooting going on for me to escape how did you get out of the so vehicle area I remain near the lazarette that is within velocerator till after midnight and after jumping the fence two meters high through the courtyard where the people would undress before going into the gas chambers I ran near to were very high storerooms which I helped building for the parcels taken from the victims I was shot at by the guard on the tower from camp number three but it was dark and he did not hit me I succeeded in reaching the lazarette a small wood near the North Tam he said it was a little clump of trees if the court permits I shall explain regarding the names of a number of camps the question is it's pretty obvious this was among the trees yes this was amongst the trees but then this camp number camp Nord they stored munitions I was lying in the Naza read until after midnight and did not know how to get away I kept on running later many SS men came with the Ukrainian officers and began shooting towards me in my direction believes that no one was there and left at night wire fences and opened them up with my bare hands until I noticed that the gate near the tar in the North camp was wide open yo the God was not there they had a munitions and explosives in that camp there were bunkers where they kept munitions and explosives and finally you managed to cross the barbed wire yes and you wondered about in the forests and you met someone else who had fled from Saudi boar yes - I met was four months later then I understood this was mr. Muir he succeeded in breaking into the munitions dump a dump and take a submachine gun and then you met Sasha later we met Sasha and you all of you joined a partisan group this is a shortcut but too much of a shortcut witness when we entered the cellar we saw inscriptions on the wall these inscriptions said no one leaves this place alive whoever can should save himself every day and every night two or three of us are being taken away and they do not return no one survives this place very long when people are taken to work they are being shot immediately in the first the first night we lit a little candle and we saw these inscriptions on the wall next morning whilst you were in the cellar you heard a juror speaking over a loudspeaker a dimension so much in the morning when we got there when the truck arrived with people we did not know how many people sing Carlo always in the no foot that's a cup fashioned our foot it's kicked it under entities in Scala to Darby somebody went outside and says no you are going to the bathhouse you will get new clothes and then you will go out two words some did they were happy now they would be working in Caritas and Jose Grange which a lofty shame some balance in mouth and there are encounters on the host kitty in the new head no the no opinions on assassin Kayla what mysterious days - the modern existent say administer states it now matka hair thread infant Kayla can you hate was Morocco now what McGavin looked at he opens it allows some balance in me we did not know exactly what was happening we were in the basement in the cellar but we heard what was happening outside they were all told to go to the bathhouse and they went through this corridor and through this gangway and then there was a people boarded those they went down to the assessment particles and once our genome zone zone around you know Tara saw these trucks and did not want to bore them but there were SS men with great sticks and they beat the people and forced them to board the trucks and Gunson sigma black and then they tried to you today do you know what they were these were trucks that were completely sealed there are two doors yes now I know what they were they were trucks where people were locked up inside and when gas was piped into the trucks not on dimensional images and lots of a gas yeah but somewhat everyone still let the machine to whom the guy in the machine is like a fun mountain kala no Kahneman hours after unity she ate now that all something Samir Naga song and written seven Sigma dot also hockey too often signaling things up on the next day we kept working and more people were put into the place we heard the screams from the trucks and the engine began working in the gas floating then the shouts died five of us were taken from the cellar and we had to take the objects the clothing and the shoes left behind and which was full of shoes and clothing people came back from work in the woods that's why drive so much quieter Darby I believe all the shots on the recitation started they returned from work but two or three were already missing these people had grown weak and they no longer could work they were shot and left behind at the place of work and they came back and related what happened in the woods the witness said so this is a correction by the Attorney General to the court interpreter and on the following day you yourself went to work in the wood and saw what was taking place with your own eyes wishing this speech is tamara macademian egg taste of in about mythical or some extent in the matura are somewhat responsible did not want to be there five we were taken outside to work in the forest why did you want to go to work in the woods just nagging some token Kayle money money well why should I have stayed there why should I have stayed in the center all day I didn't want to do that where they dug the ditches there were 25 people there and they were all digging trenches just in the grave perhaps that's why take far now you turn now you a 99 of that see but no in Steiner that leave early in the morning 6:30 a.m. it was dark it was in the winter it was two days before the new year the end of 1941 before nine before the new year graves and then the trucks a truck arrived the one of those trucks and you came in the autistic I mean what an eye you have to mention morose name - is x-man much mr. Roy slept in dimensions of McGuffin thought that imbalance GU lost is dr. Asthana minutes father Oscar Garner was a riot from dimension in the motor in what mr. Oz far from all invention of trade name degree he showed up in degree burner no name in degree not permitted to approach them we had to wait until the truck had stopped from you moments two or three minutes steam and fumes coming out of the trucks and we had to wait and then five or six people open the doors take the bodies and place them near that trenches right near the trenches where the people dead Gunston toilet I never said not available so she on get weekend might and he stood mine that way over accepted not have the circle a design and see Jonathan D Shaston bout nakawara by a line of severe among the gun six how to conduct consent luckily they were all completely dead no one was alive anymore these people who were taken from the charts there was one of my town a healthy and strong man who still was showed signs of life and then someone approached him and shot him dead but this was the only time this the man's name was head school Jakub Ovitz crane Ian's would come up and pull out gold fillings and remove rings from the corpses but initiate 911 Amanda's are from the roster is a metallic Astana einen okra you never give a Niner dies but Coretta Scott and our son come to confess time without swine in the hunt and roaster isn't the gold machine there's a gun a single Adams can't replenish the gun sitting place them one by one and Ukrainians were standing there always in pairs the Ukrainian and a German the Ukrainian did not speak very good German they had flyers in their hands they pulled the gold teeth and will take off the golden rings if the ring did not get off easily they would cut off the entire finger try ina Hinton London I know yes one after another one after another and you would bury the corpses mention as a single egg no hop music mister of Farfan degree bara in darkness lama spatula mentioned something mr. sliding grass - I know Mandelson society - a cop - a piece later they place them there and we have to bury them there were people whose work it was to place the bodies so that they would form only one layer and they would place a head on one side the feet on the other side all in one layer fashion God would take it out he came in finding thinman fear of the violent countries to it after I had been working there for some time when all the people of my town came my wife and my two children and you saw them whilst they were being removed from the truck I knew I was gonna I lay near my wife and two children I and I wanted them to shoot me that's why butter gives not perish like our motto says and one SS men told me you still have enough strength you can work and he pushed me away and on the same evening you're tried yet a moment up till you please now consider came often a quick finish melee I wasn't caught off hanging I'm the Hawaiian Dibble kanishka us what exactly are you dishes if there's no off diagnosis not happening I've said not a place to hang myself but my friends would not let me they said as long as your eyes are open there is somehow perhaps you will be rescued in some way a few days later you escaped when are you a finished car they see take no karateka answered are but removing the clay and vias oh yes matter Heinen psi without up is a arrow spring some sharpen chakras may invite from that the shadows may omit no Laden other settings clingy Amish and we did not work we started thinking some of our friends and myself how we could escape we still had some strength we thought we would try either would be successful or not but we'd have to make the effort nation took burden of the yontiff said our bait no Dean are you a we may hang him of the knock in a hanger for the notables in Ghana last altar in exhaustion fifteen thin for a fortune Arbutus you

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