EFAP #215 - Full story breakdown/guide for God of War: Ragnarök with MarctheCyborg and Theo

uh I couldn't warned me was that pain or orgasm yes like he comes blood oh that's one of them doctor moments you know the Doctor Who moments doctor moment you know where you have a thing that goes wrong the Doctor Who episode where the doctor starts to come blood that's the opening I don't remember that one oh it was a good one it was really good one of the older ones yeah where it was in America really good uh that's the one that they used the most fake blood on than any other uh yeah it's like The Shining it's like The Shining of the Doctor Who uh universe turns out Doctor Who it turns out time Lords they they come a lot but it's not why you like the show so much well I've never seen it myself this is all the things that I've heard this is all a legend that's why I got put off from the show so much yeah anyway hello everyone well there you go oh oh my goodness we're live goodness what is goodness this is one of those uh one of those fappens where I'm like is there can we even do an intro should we just go because we've got a lot to talk about are you uh go for it start all of the things I don't want to go I just arrived oh geez I've been looking forward to that sounds fair all right so uh the quick version is um everyone here played Ragnarok thoroughly isn't that right everyone here yes true I'm sorry I had to step out for a moment what nothing you I'm sure it was fine everyone agreed so I think that was the answer so oh okay I think Unity is our strength that's very true um yeah and what it was was if you've seen any of those streams you'll see that a lot of people were like oh man I was that was uh they did some story stuff there we should we should do a thing where we talk about it also the mechanics and then it's like okay the story turns out it's not like um it's not one of them movie films where it's like two hours or four hours or six hours or you know it's it's kind of like several movies like a whole bunch of movie films in one and so yeah there's loads to talk about as to what they did right and what they did wrong and what they could do to be different or whatever and and stuff um I don't I don't know if it's with Stein with like oh what did everybody think of the story instead of just talking about it but I I I mean it's gonna be a long one so why not right give people a bit of a a little bit of insight into who are they dealing with here what kind of disgusting opinions I don't know if oh it's probably yeah honorable mention Calista protocol crashing and burning sad face sad face then yeah one of those cases when you unironically hate to see it yeah uh I think everybody here actually had an interest in that one yeah we were gonna potentially yeah really do something with that that was my plan for the week basically and I was like no not actually Calista was basically dead space three I don't know about that this was three weeks that's basically it does work all I hear about is stuttering yeah it's not like even though the PlayStation 5 version runs just fine and it's still a bad video game guys it's like it's bad it's not oh my goodness it's very bad it's poorly designed it's very bad are you sure it's very bad are you being hyperbolic no if anything if anything I'm being kind of nice very bad oh my goodness um but yeah I don't know it says there's not much we can say on that maybe I'm trying to think it's like is any of us well one of us I mean Mark you played it a bit right uh yeah I've been streaming it on my Rumble Channel and I am gonna finish it but it is anyone who tells you that yeah it's basically dead space has is a liar or has not played Dead Space because it's not it's like a Last of Us game that's hyper linear mostly focused on melee combat and sort of looks like Dead Space well that's all you go one thing uh the other day I watched a review a guy I forget his name he does reviews of games but only after he 100 percents everything in them and please review huh the completionist I don't know I mean he is a completionist but I don't know if that's his name or if that's just a title or what he says he is to his friends I'm not sure but he only reviews games when he is 100 percent completed them that's his thing I guess and he only talked about the game for 18 minutes wow which is something I could not do I don't think there's anything that if I completed it at 100 I could only talk about for 18 minutes and the review is pretty so-so because a lot of it was very subjective I don't feel like I gained a lot from watching this review which isn't something I feel I should say after someone's done 100 completion on a game I feel like you should just it should be a rich tapestry of information and mechanical discussions and things but oh well yeah that should be a deep dive if your thing is I know this game inside and out then yeah well uh we did a forge yesterday uh so if anyone here listens to that on All Metals Channel they're gonna have an inkling as to what we thought of the game or the story rather they might have an idea so why don't we um why don't we do a do a thing of just yeah everyone can give a little give a little blurb I want to start from the from the right side and go left because I think at least go to start with someone who's going to be a little more negative right and that's what Theo does that's that's what everyone knows Theo to be is hyper negative about everything so nice well everything oxygen is kind of lame to be honest with you a super mainstream but uh anyway yes yeah what did you think of well actually if you want to let people know what you have in and in what way consumed this game so to speak and then what you thought of it I have not played the video game I have watched maula's playthroughs the game and several other people play through it including fringy and L uh but okay I got the mods yeah and I guess that metal yeah you know um I have not played it myself um so is this just my thoughts on the story is that what you're after um well your thoughts in general I suppose why not um it shouldn't surprise you at this point that I'm kind of down on this game I don't like I don't like games like this to put it as simply and as bluntly as I can uh it's it's a very very Triple A Kind of product and I think that's to its detriment rather than to its benefit uh in terms of the narrative however there's very little to complain about there my being somewhat down on the story has more to do with my feelings about the overall product rather than any issues I have with the narrative itself and also to do with the fact that the narrative is being placed in a video game as opposed to standing on its own as a film or something so to say I think it's an extremely well written story but I wonder if perhaps there may have been better ways to tell it and and or better ways to tell it through a video game I know Endor Division and or what I remember that show yeah I don't oh someone does someone watched that I think Drinker watched it it was crazy I watched five episodes and then I forgot about it I'm gonna watch it all I got something happens and forgot about it um but yes uh very well fair enough uh Rags what about you same question Okay so I watched a Long play of it and I spoke with uh and I've been speaking with Mahler and to a lesser degree fringy on uh the game and getting caught up with 2018 a bit before this game came out so I could sort of understand a lot of things uh leading up to the events of aragnarok I have not played it though uh I watched like I said watch The Long play talked a lot about it with uh talked about it a lot with Mahler uh so I can't speak really too much as to the mechanics because I haven't played it um as far as the story and characters go I really like them a lot particularly the characters and the characters writing I'm extremely happy that in a big popular game that this kind of attention to the writing and the characters has clearly been given that we are reaching the end of what was very obviously a a long-term plan and goal that was set forth years ago I'm extremely happy that the single player game with no microtransactions or DLC is selling very well and that it seems to be beloved I I think this sets a very very uh an amazingly good uh message out there that people do appreciate good stories and good characters and a lot of thoughtful dialogue and callbacks and things of that nature and even though I I will likely never play it and I've got no real investment at all in God of War I suppose until now um I I'm very very happy that this game happened wow fair enough uh metal yeah I was all right I guess mm-hmm no uh I mean if you watch my streams you you're probably aware that I very much love this game uh 2018 and this one together specifically uh I mean yeah narratively very good uh I'm not as not as down on the mechanics I think they they're they're right they're they they're all right and uh I mean I could talk for hours and hours how much I like but yeah I love the characters love how where we went that it was planned and uh yeah I'll just keep it short I just like it a lot a lot a lot all right um what I'm about to say I think reflects pretty heavily on metal as well but I'm uh he and I possibly Mark will find out uh very obsessive with the old God of War franchise been playing it since early days played them many times over very familiar always fun to jump back in when the God of War Days come back around seems like there's a almost a consistent Gap with each almost a generation with with how it goes but uh yeah this one was it was a bit of a well 2018 was a bit of a worry and came out and I was very happy with it uh so the the fighting over whether or not it was any good back back in 2018 was a fun thing and we're doing it all over again because uh Ragnarok very similar results widely popular has uh not changed a huge amount in terms of its formatting for both how it delivers story and uh what mechanics are being used in it uh uh depending on where you discuss it that could be seen as an enormous detriment it's being called a giant DLC hopefully we can uh maybe talk about that it's uh it's being considered like you know how could you even call this a game it's clearly a movie that's an interesting point of view you know I I I see I'm being nice all right I'm not being mean at all to any of these opinions these are all very fair uh and we're gonna have some chaos probably in chat tonight because you're gonna have plenty of people who hate this game plenty of people who love it and plenty of people who think it's fine just fine um the thing that I think has a runaway success on this one that uh is funny because I rewatched the mathematosis video for the 2018 game and one of his conclusion points about this game or the 2018 one was that uh it does a lot of things just fine to to okay and stuff but it'll it'll do nothing so well that it'll never be used as an example of how to do anything because it doesn't do anything like the best or even close to great but like I just uh the one aspect I think they've absolutely nailed compared to the vast majority of our entries in this regard is is narrative I think they've done a [ __ ] phenomenal job with uh the writing and Ragnarok in 2018 put together but I mean if I had to choose between the two I would be like yeah Ragnarok especially and you know if someone said wow that is the most absurd thing I've ever heard Buckle in we got like the the the nature of this this efap as some people might be surprised to hear that two people here haven't even engaged necessarily with mechanics directly is because we are talking uh a lot about the story um mola what are you saying that I think the game's good that's the short version uh here we go but yeah so but the thing is all six here are very familiar with the story so that's gonna be the plan but I I you know no reason why we can't talk about mechanics here and there if it does come up um yeah all right Mark what about you hi everybody I'm Mark the Cyborg and I I have angry dogs they were totally quiet everyone else was talking I was terrified stop talking and [ __ ] off luckily I'm using push to talk but I just shouted to x-ray girl for help anyways um I I like the game quite a lot I think the story is great and uh most of the the um concerns that I had for the story in the middle of that uh Muller and I were kind of talking about as they were happening were kind of evened out by the end and most of the concerns that I had um were unwarranted and I ended up really really liking what they did with all the story and characters and I played the game on give me God of War difficulty so it took me 76 hours damn but overall I'd recommended well well all right uh free what's in my God of War Adventures started recently because I've played 2018 properly for the first time only about a month ago ahead of Ragnarok because I wanted to play Ragnarok and talk about it and I really liked 2018 and coming into Ragnarok and having completed it those two paired together um in terms of the story that they have to tell is uh really really great um it's super thematically rich the character writing is like across the board Stella um it's uh it's very impressive to me what they achieved by way of our writing in terms of like the core experience itself gameplay well we're not talking about that much so I uh I um I really really really liked it um yeah that those are my very brief thoughts all right well like I said the plan is to talk about this game's story and what we're going to do is use something I I cut up from the game as a reference nice and short it's just a maybe one or two cutscenes you know in the background that'll play and then we can pause or wait for them to finish as they as they happen and pause and then talk about what they're doing I have uh so much to say about what this game managed to do and what it was up to in reference to the original trilogy in uh 2018 and then just itself I've included a couple of edits to help show what they've done and how they did it and I've got bits of the soundtrack involved so that we can have a little Listen and talk about what they're doing with that as well um so is everyone ready to begin what is going to be a a real quick Adventure just just now and maybe you're live yeah you have to be very brief yeah I can't see us talking about um it was funny when you know we were talking about a Metals Forge is like uh I wasn't sure how the format was gonna work or what we would talk about exactly but like we in about 10 minutes we'd already been talking for like an hour and a half so yeah you know it happens so yes uh what you can expect the person listening right now who's maybe isn't this isn't exactly what they were looking for God of War the the God of War Ragnarok okay that's a great name pending uh is gonna be today is this more than likely because there's no way we can finish this in one stream tomorrow will be part two um and then the following week we're gonna check out uh criticisms of the game hyper criticism so we're gonna we're gonna look into people who are very much not a fan of it because unfortunately the six of us here aren't exactly none of us hate the story uh so no that's what we ended up with um anyone even dislikes it no and most people here I don't even think anybody here thinks it's even okay maybe they do that's the thing maybe they'll change their mind but uh yeah so that's what's that's what's happening today um you're welcome to join us and uh once we get to the end of it we'll check out super chats more than likely not sure what we're dealing with today we're just gonna get started up now this game begins as the first one did is you hit start and it just runs into the game the menu is like a little thing of Kratos uh sitting down and so like I said the plan is to sort of let things play if anyone has anything they want to say hit pause but the typical idea is it's going to be once once a scene comes to a close they'll just be pausing and talk about what what's going on uh yeah the reason why I'm so like weird about this because I don't think we've ever done a format like this before uh and it's exciting well who knows what's gonna happen but here we go puppies are excited ah oh Jesus that's loud well it's loud for me [Music] [Music] [Music] so there's like seven things to say already I don't know where to start I think I might go with uh facial expressions whoa well yeah I was wondering if I was yeah I just saying right yeah Christopher Judge like so I was going straight to Bear McCreery his theme is so beautiful well enough what I was saying before is technology rather than the performance yet uh yes yes some of the best facial animation like in any video game holy crap the amount you can draw out of it I'm having flashbacks to us talking about arcanes like oh my God it's so good you can draw so much it represents a new sort of high for games because they've struggled with facial animation a lot I think even prominent titles with high degrees of fidelity a lot of Expressions still come across Into The Uncanny Valley or just don't look appropriate to the scene or what they were trying to portray but there's no there's plenty to read out of it right off the bat um yeah which maybe someone will be like what are you reading it's like well uh he's he's knock on Nova phase death like at all he's having so much trouble which is interesting because in 2018 he's like a stone block when she dies he's like she's gone we move on WE grieve we move on that sort of thing and I do it my own way like but now it looks like uh that whole locking out of feelings and stuff it hasn't exactly had fantastic results nor does anyone expect it to and um yeah he's not like that expression of it looked like you he was more so breaking than we usually ever see of him yeah um well also in this one he I think he just doesn't have a good sense of what his goal should be like because he knows that he knows that the you have the the Ragnarok prophecies coming and the stuff that you see at the end of the previous game with um with atreus holding him and what what's I guess implied I don't know how spoilery we're getting we're gonna try and go as though we're only working with what we have up to what about for 2018 though can we just go oh absolutely yeah on the table go for it okay so when um when you see the mural of atreus holding Kratos and it's it's at least implied that he's dead and you everything else that's on the mural happened during 2018 so you kind of get the impression that okay Ragnarok is very likely going to be kratos's last game it's heading towards this big battle that's called Ragnarok and he's spent so much of his life fighting against gods that all he wants to do is not anymore and he doesn't really want to treas do either but he also doesn't want his son to die so he kind of wants him to wants them to be ready and wants them to prepare but I think he sort of doesn't know what his end game is like what what his his ultimate goal should be because it's like well do I have to fight the gods of Asgard to keep my son safe I'll do it if I can but I also don't particularly want to start a war with another Pantheon of gods you know and he's kind of letting time while away uh the entire sequence is about certainty and uncertainty right like that's the theme of this little section uh you see it in kratos's motions when he's uh holding uh the bag that held FaZe ashes his his motions and Gestures are really unsure and like he hesitates a lot and then you can thrust that so when he picks up an arrow representing atreyas because we've got the symbolism of object representing people uh and yeah he's much more certain in everything he does in his motions and his expressions and I think that's reflection right what he has to say in this game about Faye uh compare to the 2018 game like it follows logically from in the first game it's like yep we're gonna take a scatter ashes from the highest peak in all the Realms now it's like well now what are we doing based on all of that information that he received over the course of that adventure and particularly in the end with the mural like Mark said yeah we didn't get that [Music] um what am I what am I doing and what impact is it going to have on atreus like what what am I to do here that's like the impression you get just with all of those hesitations it's just doubt and I was reassured uh with before even playing this game I knew Christopher Judge was incredibly invested in it I was like well that's a good sign man like that he and that he considered leaving the project really early on until he was reassured that they they know what they're doing and they're going to take care of this and I was like okay good good good yeah well that shows yeah already it's just like you know for the people out there who hate uh they just want to play the game this is is not a great way to start for those people but it is a great way to start for those taking very seriously the story like the story is is given front and center Focus it's like it's about Kratos as a character so this whole game has an enormous amount to say about him but lots of other people do yes the music is amazing that's another topic yeah yeah of course there's lots of great Throwbacks to some of the games though like they're they they talk directly about Deimos who's kratos's brother from Ghost of Sparta which was a PSP spin-off that was actually like really good but it's like wow yeah they're respecting that as Canon cool but all right so let's look at that exchange rate what one ten minutes per one minute of source material on this thing basically [Music] oh God who's this ah so this is a good example of achieving like instantly you can already understand how the dynamic has changed visual storytelling baby is doing things on his own he went out hunting by himself got the deer here by himself while Kratos just here preparing more arrows which is worth emphasizing that's good that's good when you like yes like five seconds of the character showing up you already understand how the Dynamics have changed between the games yeah especially because like of the way 2018 starts with them hunting for example I was super deliberate we've we've moved very far along from 2018 teaching him how to properly hunt now he's doing it all on his own uh good old George Lucas quote it's like poetry it Rhymes it do be rhyming it's um and and just like No Lack of confidence in him to have done that and I saw someone mentioning uh uh they think it's like a reference in the silhouette for Loki and his horn helmet um that's oh more so known uh man I didn't think it was at all can't speak to it myself um because I don't even know how often he's portrayed with the horn helmet if that's true or not um but I mean it'd be neat if that was what they were going for because yeah it's uh yeah and he looks he's quite a confident man but he's like holy [ __ ] he's not a little boy what's going on like yes we have jumped forward in time hungry what's next door is getting worse also it's so funny I love this outfit for Kratos he loses it in about five minutes what outfit is that yeah it's real name and you don't even get it back anyway like there's no way for you to get it as far as I know I was wondering if you up upgrade like the the the armor you have the first one if it changes back to that but yeah that would have been nice starting armor is actually really good if you upgraded it through well enough for the recording of this footage that's what I've gone with is upgrading the original armor I will say it's the best for not obstructing cutscenes I bet yeah yeah something I wish they had like oh God there's a few problems with that the 2018 game if you buy armor that has the big old shoulder like if God things gets in the way you could literally cover up kratos's face when he's talking it's like oh man I had that happen on my new game plus like I had a big chunky armor and it's like Freya you can't see her sometimes oh whoops but yeah it's another thing you you saw her he gives him the arrows and the trails it's not just taking them he's checking them okay he's like yep those are good and he's wearing the mistletoe still and he's wearing the mistletoe yeah I'll get them ready season what was that sorry it was seasonal yeah festive you can really Dive In The Water too the state is not far get ready [Music] this happened pretty fast yeah yeah you're just on your way home and all of a sudden fighting here we go yeah obviously I had another example of the amazing facial animation yeah unfortunately I have to cut a lot of otherwise we'll never ever ever be able to finish this because what's lost here is the build up uh you know you you sort of Rise and Fall sort of thing but yeah she's uh this is great because like oh I'm told everything immediately so she is still trying to kill us she's overtly doing it now like I don't know how long she's been doing this for exactly but uh there is a line obviously that she doesn't typically give up very quickly we know from the previous game that she was looking for uh who I think she was searching for her wings the the break the curse on being able to hurt living things to get access to a basically all of her Warrior stuff because she was the queen of the Valkyries um and Odin took all of that from here and obviously you killed Boulder she is [ __ ] pissed she's punished Freya now she's got the even her makeup looks like it's it's running because of Tears sort of thing like it's uh it's very dark and yeah they even do like a setup of it being like a bit haunting like her just standing in the distance staring at them it's like oh [ __ ] well I mean it just kind of makes you you guys seen the movie it follows yes they'll just like randomly see the the thing kind of coming towards you slowly that first shot of Freya kind of reminded me that it's like oh oh that's real bad it's just the person who was standing over there right now but this is gonna get much worse and what I love is the it makes the visual storytelling of atreus's age have much more of an impact when she's coming at them this hard because you're like the for this amount of time Freya has been wanting to kill them this much like yeah because that this is kind of how she is at the end of the last game so it's like oh she hasn't calmed down even a little like anything yeah yeah the hatred in her facial expressions holy [ __ ] um which is unfortunate because if you play 2018 and you enjoyed the story you probably like it and you kind of feel the same way as Kratos like oh man yeah oh she wouldn't give up that easy would she she never does stay alert [Applause] seriously I could do without those sorry I could do without the tap Circle to continue this cutscene stuff uh that was probably one of the things I disliked about playing the game most and is one of the things that's bothering me most about Calista protocol I just might be I don't even disagree necessarily I just don't know what what can be done at that point like it seems I think honestly just if you want to show me cool [ __ ] yeah just show me the cool [ __ ] I'm not they obviously throw it in because they there are people out there who are like if I copy press and circle in the cutscenes then I'm really just watching a movie and it's like that's okay though yeah like I mean that like my whole thing is like no no like when I say Sony Movie game I'm not even I don't even mean it as an insult it's just a description of this type of game and some do it better than others and I think when they're better when it's like if you're gonna be tapping a button during a cut scene it's something like clicking the right stick you know what it is I was saying like no no it's because it's because I will tell you it's because um I sometimes talk with my hands and I was saying that the good kind of QuickTime events would be like in God of War 3 when you fight Poseidon and in the end you click the left and right sticks the poke out his eyes go back go back what does talking with your hands have to do with any of this because I took my I took my hand off my push to suck that was me me being a boomer and Italian I suppose sorry to hear that anyway carry on yeah I I just I think that in the odd event that when like clicking the Sticks being the poking out the eyes of Poseidon when it really kind of adds something to the scene it's mostly just tap triangle to not die or otherwise we'll cut this cutscene back 30 seconds and make you do it again obviously the there's a jamming here they usually put Circle tapping in whenever there's uh something of a two beings trying to impose their will on each other what what like one because uh what's happening here obviously if she's dug this sword into him he's trying to push it back the Top Cycle to feel like you're giving some level of expression of muscle it feels like I do understand why but it's just like well I don't even think it's a misunderstanding I think they know what they're doing they just I don't even think they're comfortable with throwing it in that much they're probably like we got to do it because otherwise people feel like they're not interacting with the game at all uh but yeah I could take it or leave it I really don't care like yeah it's uh most of the time the requirement is very little and uh the only time I really hate it is when it happens when I never expected it say I'm actually enjoying the cutscene is chill and then like a dragon boost in the room and starts trying to eat you and it's like top Circle you're like oh [ __ ] I wasn't even holding the control the [ __ ] yeah um but something like this I I can mostly but but anyway what's what's happening trying to engage you in ways that don't benefit the scenes but yeah sorry no yes it's totally fair um so the uh the scream she has at him when she's put the sword at him really gives me an impression of almost like egging herself on uh to get this done like um yeah it feels like it's been a while and she's so [ __ ] desperate I just want to get my revenge and also we got the line uh oh it's not gonna be that easy and it's just it never would it never is you already knows like oh yeah this has been happening for a while so if you were in doubt dab 67 times a little bit I saw some behind the scenes stuff the actress for Freya is uh she puts like a nightmare level of work you know so I mentioned it a Frankie but apparently the the scene where she let's say for the sake of spoilers I guess I don't know it's kind of weird but uh the The Roots scene um the the volume stage she was on the entire carpet was like wet because how many times she'd really uh done the the take and been crying basically damn it's like okay that's probably a good thing um I I almost want to break it up now because it won't be another [ __ ] like 20 hours before I can narratively speaking but let's just say a big moment for Kratos a moment that I believe is currently me metal and Frankie's favorite part of the game I'm not gonna be able to say for everyone else yet um Charlie Christopher Judge said uh I've got a maximum of two takes in me for this like when we do this so like you know make sure everything's working because I'm gonna give it everything I've got I've always thought that about acting like um imagine giving what you consider to be the most like authentic and Real Performance and they go all right can't do it again it's just like uh I'd get back into that headspace yeah we talked about it and uh uh Christopher Judge talked about it in uh for 2018 with the blades of chaos scene about the the feeling of like that there's a place that he has to get into to be able to deliver that and it's kind of a scary place personally for him to get himself in there but he you know wants to do it for the sake of the performance it's just yeah he's uh he really clearly cares again I can believe a lot of the people uh as part of this project really do yeah absolutely please don't make me do this She [ __ ] hates him so much yep so funnily enough a lot of people I've seen are confused this happened and I've seen people defend it as yeah unfortunately an avalanche happened it's like what no no no Freya I mean we see her throughout all of 2018 she has like full control over nature to some degree she's like yeah nature lady she screamed she's using her power to [ __ ] with all of the environment she controls like a full-blown Mountain giant at the end yeah it's so weird I saw people being like you say is serious just a bad luck Avalanche so it's like no it's just that it's you know it's a lot of it's fimbal winter I was like what are you both doing you're arguing the wrong thing oh three of us Dave dude that expression on Kratos holy [ __ ] uh Cod help would imagine it's because that Avalanche if things have gone wrong that would have killed atreus yeah but also just he's probably not happy about him being being killed too that's probably probably I imagine this is a day-to-day inconvenience as well well yeah uh for those who don't understand having to go through this they essentially have a magic force field around their home made of uh Magic giant Magic from staves that are applied to each tree they make like a big old sphere we made it let us go home it's Becky fauna up now um I'm not gonna do it all the time but I thought the scene deserved it I'm gonna replay it now but with uh everything removed except the music because man what a great start for the game with the music [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] it really makes you think rings of power had this guy I don't know the guy who made this OST made rings of power is so nuts uh the only conclusion everyone's come to is he didn't give a [ __ ] about rings of power that's what I think after listening to the soundtrack to this and how legitimately impressive it is and as you play the game you notice you know reincorporations of themes and you know stuff of that nature and you realize how much work and effort and thought went into it and then you think back on rings of power and how utterly mediocre and forgettable every bit of music in that seemed to be rings of power was a paycheck uh if you hear him talking about this game he cares immensely about it and I can't help but assume that poured into the soundtrack yeah you can hear it [Music] [Music] there we go damn when that quiet drops yeah [Music] [Applause] [Music] pretty great like one thing uh it's like it's like watching a Fantasia movie kind of that's some good [ __ ] yeah yeah when you're watching the authors down it's almost sad that like uh you know even I didn't appreciate that song when I was playing the game to the level of yeah listening to it individually but that's the thing the music is just another component it's accentuating the story in that moment it was cool to listen to it in isolation what's actually kind of a good example is when when Frankie was talking about the blades of chaos scene I was going to bring up my my criticism of it which is I I thought that I always thought that it would have been better if they brought just a like even if it was one bar of his theme from the Greek mythology games that the kind of Doom but it's one of those things like ah they might not be giving you the thing that you want but if what they're giving you is this good it's kind of like hard to complain about it I think they've always been I've got to complain about the music but it's like ah but it's okay I think they've always been trying to strike a balance between how much they'd want to reference and how much they want to imply even through music or other elements of Storytelling that they are their own thing they're not the other the older thing he's developed since then in and it's represented through all the different aspects which uh you know a lot of people would have preferred that the classic songs are playing when he first gets the blades of chaos and I just uh I think it was a much better choice to have his current theme play because the blades aren't what they were then they are something else now with a very contextualized in the role that he's playing in this story and where he's at now and the way that he's going to participate in this world and then there's also like kratos's theme is incredibly versatile like the one in this game oh probably because you know it is three notes but that it's it's a um and freya's theme as well actually which is what we basically just listened to as another one of them that's super versatile we're gonna hopefully be able to talk about throughout the coverage a lot of awesome light motifs like musically that uh throughout the soundtrack because it is really impressive to me how often bear McCready finds ways to reincorporate character themes into different moments of the uh of the um of the soundtrack it like it's it's super impressive yeah I'm not gonna have all of it in here so feel free to reference it if you wanna I'm sorry shy I did not wish you to keep hoping she'll let it go you saved her life there is no letting that go and ironically saw someone yeah several people sorry in chat saying like why is she trying to kill us wasn't she our friend in the first game like finish the game it's funny to me because like sometimes I'll be like you know why is she you know sober and it's like well we did kill his son and I'm sitting there like yeah I know I was there uh but like the kind of thing where it's like well it has been four years and then there are people who are legit like wait Freya she's like a good guy she helps you what the [ __ ] um yeah I like the way they pay these by the way Daniela bisuti and Alistair Duncan that's mimir and Freya I got it yeah um and they pay like uh Richard Schiff and Ryan Hurst so she's like yep so put the credit in for the voice actors here it is yeah well I mean they do performance capture too so they do yeah important to do it right because they are like involved heavily in the project and of course play a significant role in what makes it valuable absolutely also yeah people keep saying bear McCready McCree as far as I know all right yeah I'm sorry well just for anybody who thought otherwise this query Chad Cox we're going through I was like damn Chad Cox yeah that's a that's a potent name no wonder the game's good I was speaking of names there was I was watching a uh an mst3k video and then and they were commenting on one of the names at the beginning there was a it was like an executive producer and the name was Harry Sackett or someone from Wonder Woman 84 do you remember oh yeah what was his name uh help us out what if he's got to remember it was a real funny name oh [ __ ] oh what was it it was yeah something someone's gonna remember it come on I can't remember was it was it Richard suckle was that it Richard suck dick suck yeah that was it dick suckle dick sucker his parents were like they did not want a child they wanted a daughter dick sucks but hey hey at least you got to wake up Wonder Woman 84 the Virgin dick suckle versus the Chad Chad Cox yeah yeah since they they probably did me at some point and it was like Thor and Kratos you know boom they definitely met I will get the deal Kratos now what are you doing that Mel he pulls metal what I didn't pause I didn't so who did well I'll play come on girls foreign self-sufficient which is mostly super good for worlds like this yeah I can tell he's been he's been trained in in those uh in that thimble winter you can tell that he's been training huh okay interesting interesting Ben rear huh you okay boy pretty satisfying to see really yeah it's okay boy you're okay I know I missed you too where's your food still hungry come on boy you need to eat eat what too big uh every time Andreas the time draws near you must prepare yourself for what he's still eating he wants to live he is dying you're a good boy oh Brave boy fast and strong but you can rest now okay I'll be okay you can let go now you have to let go [ __ ] I just realized you have to let go that comes up yeah later um it does yeah so this was one of them like oh [ __ ] we are like 10 minutes in and you're already dropping this on us huh um yeah which is not the simplest thing to do uh it still takes a lot of respect but um basically works for for most people that I've seen most common criticism I find is like why am I supposed to care about this I don't even know this wolf which is weird um it should be pretty it's not even just that it's that um if you see I spoke with Rags about this like if if you have a friend who's like you know always told you about a dog they have but never like why they love them or anything beyond the fact they have a dog and then you go and see them one day and it's when the dog is dying I don't care about this I don't even know that dog like yeah let's go play video games it's fun first time I've ever seen this dog who cares about him this is stupid basic like like a storytelling thing one of the ways we we feel for the the death of characters because we care about the character all that we care about their relationship to someone else well we care about the person this is going to hurt uh we also care about atreus at this point or I mean you know obviously if you're engaging with it in a way that's uh you're enjoying it and stuff you would by now you know that they have wolves to help them with be it travel or hunting or whatever um yeah one of them's uh seemingly dying from either an illness or age or whatever it is but uh yeah it's pretty straightforward it's just a beloved pet essentially yeah and uh yeah the performances again and the sound effects and stuff is just it's enough to really drag you into if this has ever happened to you uh and the premise that what a trace is holding on to is that it wanting to eat like to say he's still eating he wants to live it's like yeah dogs it's it's gonna eat when you put food in front of it if it's starving man like this one of course it doesn't that doesn't mean it's not time to go but it's just like from this thing is yeah oh it did yeah yeah it didn't eat and he's like see like he's eating he's deluding himself as to what the truth is just to see you want to lose his dog yeah yeah it's a scene of showing us the because we've been getting a lot of atreus has grown up a whole lot but we're still trying to reinforce that Kratos is trying to prepare him for the realities of the world still and that's his role in this scene well because he's also only like what 15 yes he's growing up a lot but he's still a kid yeah yeah yeah this is going to play in Big Time into a trace is sort of not being able to deal with the concept of anything in his life that he cares about coming to an end uh the primary motivation throughout this whole game is going to be something to do with that idea they sue so [Music] it's on so [Music] [Music] foreign what no it's the middle of the night night does not stop our enemies why what for pranking is all we ever do ever it's not enough we can't hide forever so um I saw someone ask it so you may as well bring it in as an example he said what's the difference between this and the zebra scene and loss was two exactly so oh zebra scene in Las Vegas 2 is designed to as quickly as possible get you to agree with the developers that the doctor is a good guy that's all it's supposed to do it's supposed to make you go isn't it sad that Joel killed such a good guy what a great guy that guy is isn't it sad that he he killed him that's [ __ ] up he shouldn't have done that really cheap way of doing it this doesn't have any obvious purpose at first it's uh it's just you know your average day and then unfortunately it's the last day for fenria but what is what does this do as a function it's going to have huge plot implications very soon shows us what a trace does when he's trying to deal with death but similarly what Kratos does now gonna be an emotionally charged scene it's going to make some stuff come out that normally wouldn't necessarily that's a culminating over several years of them obviously it's being set up now he's like why are we hiding um but like the I'd say that part of the biggest thing as well is it's uh like this level of approach that can reassure the the players like yeah we're gonna be uh dealing with some heavy stuff in this game and this is just a sort of because some people like why would you put something like this right at the beginning it's like well I mean this this I don't even know if this reaches a top ten for like heaviest moments in this game throughout yeah um it's kind of just the beginning of a side pod yeah so I don't know I just say it has many purposes that relate to both character and plot uh meanwhile the zebra one is it's one clear purpose that everyone picked up straight away is that this guy's awesome isn't he wouldn't it be sad if someone killed him oh look your hero Joel did he's like yeah okay like what a bad guy not a beloved character I'm sorry I'm so sad that this game doesn't start with Kratos getting his head bashed in people were worried about that very much so I honestly I was thinking a little bit too I I thought that they could still narratively make it work if just the the mural scene from the end of the previous game happens in the beginning but I was I was kind of like oh don't do it needless to say I was pretty happy with what they did [Music] prepare for a fight for which we are not ready we'll go time is running out the prophecy say thimblewinter leads to Ragnarok war is coming whatever Loki's supposed to be doing he's supposed to be doing it now my story doesn't end hiding in these Woods I should be out there finding out who I am who Loki is I will not allow you to pick a fight with gods I don't want to fight anyone I just want answers to a mother one do not what mother wanted looks like we never will Dynamic feels very different he's pushing back hard on Kratos now and yeah well sorry there's definitely that reflecting in that Dynamic like how clearly it's changed but like man this this scene is very clearly laying down the groundwork for one of the many themes that run through the story like one of the broad themes where even though it's filtered through the lens of you know the conflict Ragnarok and everything like a broadly Universal like theme that's just being set up and will be reinforced consistently throughout the story did you want to signpost more or do you want to do that layer now we can we can get to it later um uh I the idea as well that post 2018 he finds out his name was originally going to be Loki that there's all these prophecies and stuff but we've spent very little time exploring it or understanding it we've been hiding we've been training because we're worried about what's going to happen next but it's uh you know atreus is a clearly completely unsatisfied and the idea that he's like evoking the mother and her intentions and Kratos to say we don't know what she wanted in such a yeah more so aggressive way it's like whoa what's going on there yeah that's something I was wondering about when I was playing for 2018 again it's like I don't think Kratos is very thrilled that there was all these secrets he didn't know about which were uh apparently very important for what's been going on uh oh yeah and now we get the scene where he was like we don't know what mother wanted it's like oh [ __ ] he is angry about that and he's 2019 he wouldn't dare allow for his name be besmirched yeah but right now he's he's just like I don't know yeah she didn't tell me I'll relax with it what I thought it was not that he hates or anything like far from it yeah it's just he he doesn't know frustrated yeah pretty much frustrated it's the right word well also because he's he's been involved in a prophecy before like they the whole deal with the original God of War series was that there was a prophecy that a marked Warrior would be the one to to to take down Olympus or to like destroy Olympus and that that turned out to be what ended up happening even though the gods thought the marked Warrior was supposed to be his brother so he I I don't think Kratos is the type of person who really wants to be going headlong into prophecy to be like he he mentions a few times I think in this game yeah that he doesn't want to let prophecy dictate his choices do you think he might have a reason or two to be reticent about picking fights with gods that was throughout the first game too uh is his role as the marked Warrior who takes down the gods of Olympus necessitated what happened to his first family because like his first family was killed by by himself through the actions of a god yeah um everything to do with Gods always ends up badly especially if he's had this long being chill in the woods with waifu like he's just like God this is the way to go not the whole Hangouts because baldus shows up at his house want to get into a fight an Asia God yep he gets dragged back into it unwillingly he does not want to be getting into fight I [ __ ] love their uh their meeting it's so good I yeah I've never received with balder he was great I thought you would be bigger it's like oh actually the what he hits him he's like finally yeah I just like the No No like like we oh we'll mention that later something to do with cryos's home look I have a moment alone with Henry before I bury him oh man losing a dog's rough yeah there's one of many examples of kratosystem being creatively re-incorporated yep is that like an accordion I'm not sure but well I think uh bear McCrory said that his favorite instrument is the accordion because it's kind of weird I think it is I think I think it's like the really high register of an accordion and you might be right actually yeah it almost sounds like it's something different though that's the so that's the crazy thing about a lot of these themes is the when they're a different instrument at a different speed and then you think about it for a while you're like oh [ __ ] that's that theme you're like yeah yeah yeah I guess I could I could buy harmonica interesting to hear harmonica in this setting too huh cool [Music] yes it's funny because uh I already knew he was in the game but see I was just like oh so reassuring I gotta [ __ ] love you he's ahead too it's just a head it's a good head though well I recognize that durable expression anywhere you have to tell me what went wrong the wolf is gone oh no not fair how's the lad taking it not well he goes to bury him oh damn it all right brother good night then yeah even that just the Mamiya has just been with them this whole time he never actually left because obviously the goal of the first game was complete so he decided you'd stay with them not to say that like he has full agency as a head but at the same time you know that's a decision he made yep yeah it's not easy to find friends when you're just a disembodied you didn't raise a hand in protest yeah [Music] very are you ready oh well you didn't get to see it but the scene transition was uh yeah seamless yeah like really seamless yeah um as long as you guys remember what I've cut you can mention it that'll be the good job there's a bunch of those in the game yeah it's really good I've got some of them in here for sure those were a challenge technically yeah cause it's supposed to maintain the in-game sort of engine right it's still running you just gotta oh yeah it's all you know the cutscenes blend seamlessly into gameplay you know in and out and that's tough technically until you go into a menu laughs oh right well it means to be fair until you turn off the console as well I feel like it's impossible to maintain you walk as though Amir himself sits atop your shoulders this is your Aunt I will follow very welcome I saw someone being like so [ __ ] lame she leads hunts like he said this is your hunt yeah it's not like she's a random woman she's a warrior I think we learned it in 2018 right so um why wouldn't she know how to hunt I can't remember how much we learned in 2018 but obviously by the time you hit the end of this game you learn a lot about yeah we do know that she is capable of oh they are what not do they not tell us in 2018 that um the ax was made for her yeah yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah that's what I was saying Leviathan is the ax and that it was it was made by cindry and Brock forfei so it's hence everyone's reactions whenever they see it being like you killed it didn't you yeah and he's like no I loved her she was kind of the most important thing in the world I'm actually really beating up about it once this sequence started I was I was like I I thought we were never gonna see Faye same kind of I was like hmm not really it was more like I wonder what you're gonna do here uh by having her you know by having us see her and having scenes between her and Kratos what are you what are you gonna work towards springy with me on about the sjw agenda yes I knew it hey she's Ginger vicious amount of women oh she is a gender Ginger yeah uh I was worried about even having a show up at all uh but I think even on my stream I was like thank goodness we're gonna be able to actually like discover the nature of their relationship they get three scenes in this game and they are all glorious they are yeah by the end it's like man you for how little time like she is in the story like they achieved a tremendous amount with these scenes and they are chronological what the story looks like without these scenes they're so important yeah this this would be before atreus is even conceived and uh that they're living together um and then the next one and the next one uh further on further on but so this will tell you something about Kratos coming from God of War 3 up to 2018. unrelated I recommend the show True Blood yeah it plays Karen Page in uh Daredevil it was when people realized that they went from being like oh she's fine to oh she's oh oh I like her yeah you do tell me your thoughts we aren't the Predator a wolf yes but it does kill it is the natural order of things your words are misguided the sick wolf we found beyond our Stave he found his way inside as I said he would we should have acted it was not our concern nowadays problem doesn't have to reach our doorstep for it to be our responsibility if we have the power to limit the harm that could cause we should act of the seeds of another important theme look everybody it's Spider-Man I kid because that's just a really good message in general but yeah the man is probably one of the most well known for doing it um yeah so post God of War 3 Kratos went as far as just annihilating an entire Pantheon felt pretty bad about it by the end if you guys remember would have uh sailed off ended up in Northland and uh judging from what we saw of the early parts of the 2018 game is logic as far as he's concerned is if you stick to yourself save yourself help yourself that's the best way to live [ __ ] [ __ ] everything else outside of you then of course that extends to how much he cared about Faye and atreus and over the course of that game especially by the time you hit the end it's clear he's uh going further than that he's he's more invested in helping beyond that and this is a great little moment to show that she was very invested in the idea that we should be doing more to make the world a better place than just looking after ourselves and Kratos on the other hand is like we should have we should deal with the problems that affect us and when they affect us that's that's the sort of the smart and strong way to do it which two perspectives clashing a little bit yeah who are we to hide and do nothing you're not hiding [Music] time is running out my love and there is much Radha you don't suppose he was training in the middle of the night oh that's good adjusted as much did you one F4 you should be clear atreus has not come back yeah that's one part I probably should have included Trace is gone yeah yeah has not returned from whatever he was doing so they're gonna go out and they're gonna try and find out where he is what's up argue this is one of the first examples of this is optional dialogue that if you miss out on it you miss out uh it's uh the training area behind the house if you walk into it obviously the implication is you're looking there for atreus and then mummy is like why would you do that in the middle of the night all right adjusted as much did you one now four you are leaving oh Clear Choice I know you have to try it that's such a blatant like acknowledgment that he doesn't know how to deal with grief properly yeah and he's just like well you get your mind off it right and that's what he did in 2018 he was just like we just do what we do we just move on she's gone like the amount of times I'm pretty sure he says in that game to basically just like move the [ __ ] on but he hasn't moved on in this game it's not working I feel like that approach might be influenced by his history in the Greek games because look where you know lingering on things got him there boys telling the boys have Spartan go to the backyard and hit some [ __ ] yeah I dream of the past almost every night ah the bad old days in Greece no feels like phase trying to tell me something you don't mean to say you're talking to ghosts again brother no but it is something more than memory so interesting two big pieces of information mamia knows about all of the Greek history at this point uh yeah they've been they've been chatting credits has been opening up about all those things and has been telling them probably to both atreus and mimir uh in their time together yeah to so casually be like you have nightmares about Greece it's just like whoa like this you wouldn't have said that the 2018 game damn uh yeah things moved on and then also to refer to you speaking to ghosts again I think he's talking about Athena and that confirms that she was not actually Athena in 2018 she was in his head I know some people were disappointed by that I'm I'm not not even close no it's fine absolutely fine with him dealing with what he's dealing in that scene it's not that literally Athena showing up because a lot of people were sad I don't mind confirming at this point Athena does not show up in this game she's not in it a lot of people thought she would be and a lot of people thought that you know she's yeah that she's not done that she's gonna be an agent of some kind in this universe that that would have gigantic implications that like because basically it means like okay so like the Greek pantheon still kind of exists they're just mostly dead like that there would be a lot to deal with there the thing is ultimately you still could say that that was actually her and as far as Kratos knows it was in his head but I mean I I don't see how it benefits anything unless you're gonna actually tell that story that he's she's alive and she's pissed sort of thing because uh yeah I always kind of read it as he's going to get the well I mean the blades of chaos the A's what they call it in the game even though the last ones that exist for the blades of Exile it's a that's the only thing that bothered me about 20 2018's adherence to the lore because the blades of chaos are the ones that get destroyed at the end of the first game and yet I will acknowledge God of War 3 set it in stone that Athena exists and is alive that's fine yeah I agree I just uh we don't know what she's up to and it would be really neat as a potential that she's rebuilt Olympus slash the Greek Empire into something new a lot of ideas floated that she could have jump started the Roman one right like that could be something yeah you can make lots of connections and that going back there could mean a hell of a lot who knows what they'll do in future but um they could have Jupiter be one of the other sons of Zeus oh my god oh he said Zeus he didn't like him or Jupiter you don't like him here yeah JoJo's very racist against the Greek pantheon or does he just hate planets like in her [ __ ] hate you if possible you might have been reacting to Jupiter mold by what Roger bear The Fight destroyed the tree we must find atreus any idea what could have made the light one at all we argued he accuses me of hiding from Odin yeah only sensible to keep a low profile after killing three of his kid do you love how Kratos brings it up as like an insult that's absurd and would be a ghost yeah it makes sense you'd be hiding like I'd probably hide you know it's like one of the things that you'll notice throughout this playthrough is that mimir definitely wants people to get along he tries to get everyone to sort of chill he tries to yeah you know everyone would be like yeah calm down it's all good he's a very sensible sort of very you know charismatically pragmatic guy to keep everyone together he wants everyone to which is important I mean not just considering that he's ahead and he needs other people to sort of you know take care of him but also because you know if you're invested in every party involved you don't want them at each other's throats yeah you want them to be okay with each other and hey he's uh that was his job before he lost his head I think Diplomat right that was his whole goal yeah lost his body right lost his body it's weird yeah I guess I mean technically you're I mean no it's it's weird because normally you say the people like they lost their head but in this case he lost his body because his body isn't walking around talking to people and stuff funny if out there there was just a random head just like bumping into things with its arms outstretched that is what you must learn to survive on his own oh this is about that prophecy just because the Giants had you dead on some wall full of otherwise accurate predictions I do not believe in prophecies well good good with that I just want to highlight it's not just the dialogue it's how it's presented like the the performances the gaps you take the enunciations [ __ ] oh so good do you believe in Prophecy I'm skeptical by Nature though we have seen things that defy explanation So speaking as the smartest man alive I have no bloody idea and that is one of many times that an individual will just be asked straight up what do you think about fate and prophecy and they'll give you an answer that uh everyone's is different pretty much this might sound like a weird thing to bring up but Kratos just asked another character what they think about something that's yeah that's kind of a step oh well I I think they they kind of started up in 2018 and I love it when you get to the in yotenheim and he starts asking atreus what the images mean it's like Yay because like in the earlier parts of the game he's like don't ask questions that like aren't useful to some like pragmatic thing like getting us resources or whatever but um and so he keeps telling atreus not to and then eventually he starts just open up his little curious mind he sincerely just wants to know my Mia's thoughts that yeah that too he must have a camp nearby I know what you're thinking about that but at 3s can handle himself you've taught him well so he keeps telling me you fight a bear I don't know if I should have yeah you're getting attacked by a big old bear yes is betrayals what's your ass you know I should have included when he yelled at the bear and the bear yelled at him that was great actually my bad it's very fun of yelling what Focus heal I barely recognized you uh I think it was as of uh 2018 that they made it like super cannon that he has like Wolverine healing but you have to focus like because it was probably a good idea because yeah he gets stabbed a lot I think someone I did spot I meant to mention someone was like did he just get stabbed in like that opening is he not bleeding to death it's like no the way that you kill any of these types of entities in this world is that it's like a lot of damage at once to end them sort of thing but you know I I'm not going to defend the games for this like it's it's very weird and inconsistent a lot of the times like oh they can survive that but not that you're like yeah and then it's like they can't survive that but they can come back from the dead but that one can't you know like I don't know man I don't know okay it gets confusing like Kratos crawling out of the underworld twice possibly three times um he's like well how come he could do that and like Zeus Khan you're like I don't know he's not angry enough all right all right fenrir and then um not sure I was so sad and then I was angry and scared I remember running there was a bear charging and I charged back all right let me run this by let's see if this works you should have said I was so angry I put the ursing and cursing um and I understand I I know the connection no the cut scene let's load this important oh that's awful the trace is saying it had to be a dream he saw a bear sorry oh yeah yeah I was unbearably mad no I already did a bear one so let me pause you there for a second and remind me that that one's already been used sorry I've transformed you I I didn't know I could do that he doesn't like having blood on his hands huh no nope he's used to being dirty and grizzled like grizzly and uh this line for reassurance from Kratos you did not do anything it was your emotions they overcame you it's like I don't even think he believes that like in terms of he's nothing to do with what you what actions you've taken it's like that would true a lot of the stuff he feels super guilt for probably wouldn't necessarily apply someone told him that about his yeah in Greece it's just him recognizing that's probably what the Traders needs to hear right now yeah he wants to tell atreus about his Grizzly past help beautiful that's the second Grizzly one we just did oh oh okay now we're even dangerous sorry I'm just distracted by how [ __ ] good the uh the fear on on the shoulder of atreus looks in the Wind hello all right look at that [ __ ] yeah it does look really good yeah Matt was just hair too sort of when it moves Technology's gone insane I saw someone say like oh yes they have lots of money praise them for that it's like well it's not just money it's also the willingness to use that money for a lot of you know the technology and stuff like Jason Cameron has a lot of money but it's how you use it and the things that you develop and you know the stuff that you make technologically that that that's that could be worthy of Praise because you could tell a lot of work is going into this and yeah well as people can point out rings of power had money look what they did with it'll look bad um rings of power a lot of money and it looks like [ __ ] and so I would yeah I'll just go as far as saying maybe the fair one you you're more on point in terms of like what is this adding to a story analysis but when you talk about the technology and money that's gone into the facial recognition like representation that exceedingly helps the storytelling to know what characters feel super important but yeah half the scenes hinge on it yeah dangerous without discipline to control them you've already taught me discipline I need more than that I need answers answers you don't have answers all your mother had some she withheld yeah oh [ __ ] oh boy gives you a lot there that's that's almost uh bitter as [ __ ] yeah it feels like uh he thinks she made the wrong decision in terms of how much she let them know yeah true let them know more what if there was someone who could help us someone that could give us answers about the Giants and who look latreas listen to me I might have killed you you learn control we'll take no unnecessary risks inaction is also a risk you taught me that stop thinking like a father for a moment and start thinking like a general no oh no yeah that felt like those two no's were actually different answers meaning that yeah yeah loud and angry one is like a passionate like how [ __ ] day you say that I should stop thinking like a father and then the second one is a very considered like no I wouldn't do that that's that's really bad yeah that's not going to help no [Music] I didn't mean to oh this one too many consequences foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music] like with the nature will take its course thing it's like yeah we might be abandoning them to the Wolves to let them down or I mean not literally the Wolves but you know the elements to let them die but they might also find a way to you know survive to hang in there to to the point is they can't adopt a baby yeah sorry but uh yeah uh obviously because I'm trying to trim as much as possible it's just that dream from the 2018 game it's part of Loki's ability to have giant Visions or whatever and so this is this game's equivalent note that we're finally getting that actual scene foreign that [ __ ] was so cool in 2018 it's just like yeah you want to eat the hammer of course because he's so [ __ ] famous can I come in I have me big Olsen Vision I have made there's a [ __ ] ton of subversion in this game and I want to remind everybody Ryan Johnson is the one that made some version of dirty word it is not a dirty word it's not a dirty word it's a word that's been dirty he peed all over here um I did not pee on that word I will not take responsibility for that first thing I always go to is uh Predator is one of the best films ever made at its incredibly subversive the whole point of that movie is to rely on what you think would happen and to completely undo that um subversion is a really cool storytelling element it's just a way to keep you on your toes the way to do it of course is to have it so that it slots in and makes sense it doesn't just happen for no reason at all or I say no reason it happens for the sake of subverting you which is what Ryan loves to do I saw someone the other day saying I wish um Muller would review knives out because that's where like Ryan's storytelling shines and I was like okay oh you oh you yeah what a joke what's actually funny is I saw when you guys did an e-fap on knives out and I was like oh I really want to watch that but I should watch the movie first and then in subsequent efaps heard you guys [ __ ] on it so much that I was kind of like I kind of don't want to watch this movie but I've never heard your refap about it I really know nothing about the film other than it's a mystery by Ryan Johnson that has um the hot chicks it's a film that thinks it's really clever yeah well do not find me good company no it's been funny the Cradle says that yeah he's so ready to fight it's just like I don't want to hang out though and he's like well we wouldn't have many things to get along about well I'm yeah sure we'll find lots to talk about Maybe he's like our place is a mess and clean up as much as you can in 10 seconds please oh this is Thor dude you guys watch Sons of Anarchy no but I know he said no yeah he's he's really good in it he yeah Thor's in like the first three seasons I want to say maybe two but um yeah great actor Great Character dude well we're gonna have lots to talk about with this scene oh yeah the way I always described him as an actor is his eyes have gravitas place nice place thanks Dennis hey thanks I filmed myself but yeah so one of the first things to highlight is so many people including myself I'm not sure if you did metal but I think bringing you made the comparison as well but so many people have made the crowds of like it sounds like Thanos sounds like Josh Brolin with a couple of uh when we first watched this yeah I asked who if that was Josh Brolin because he sounded exactly like Thanos in that line there's a couple of lines in this scene that sound indistinguishable from how Thanos would sound if he said it yeah but uh yeah well I mean you know and it's not a complaint or anything that yeah I say type of voice it's so much power behind it like Josh Brolin was a great choice for Thanos his voice was fantastic and so his thoughts a Bassy boys as a heavy hammer well my ax is heavy too see you could have told me before I poured why would he say that that's weird yeah I mean may as well talk a little bit about it that's um why wouldn't you have just pulled for himself in Kratos right what's wrong with that like he didn't even pour a third one so what's being wasted um the line implies that now we've poured too much which doesn't mean like logistically speaking he was like that doesn't really make sense but it's something that you don't really think about and it'll make sense later he might argue and I mean we the the design is fantastic like Thor looks awesome you gotta wait till the end of the scene for both him and Odin we'll talk about it because like God we have to go through a lot like I really wasn't sold on it when they showed the first pictures pretty good well yeah I mean I think myself uh and I want to say metal I think we were all just like sure fine fits with the 2018 let's see what they do with them sure but a lot of people were like ew my issue with it was just in its um I guess consistency with the art Direction in the series just because you have Zeus is like absolutely shredded so this seems like a world in which age and what like whatever your lifestyle is doesn't affect your body type if you're a God like this is this is a world in which gods are always absolutely shredded um Greek guys obviously the noise guys we see very different clearly yes yeah because I mean Boulder has the kind of uh Jesse Pinkman body like the yeah like part of what's the verse about Boulder is that he's like this weedy guy and uh yeah he's uh he's [ __ ] with Kratos and you find out he's actually a hell of a lot more powerful than you thought um well and and that's the thing even with balder I think I would probably have the same reaction like if you just showed me the picture of him that hey this is the main antagonist of this God of War game who's gonna be fighting Kratos I'd be like eh I don't know like that kind of looks like I don't know like like James Franco's character from Spring Breakers or something but like Norse but like and then you see it in action it's like oh yeah you know it works and it I think it's the exact same thing with Thor that you see a a marketing still and it's like well I don't know like it's kind of a big gut on him like he doesn't even look like the mountain or anything where it's like a strong man like that looks like actual fat but then you see you see the how they do the character in the game and because they think they nail it so well it's just like okay I'm I'm not mad it's not even just that I think what wins everyone over is the fight scene coming up uh yeah yeah that too you start him being some the idea that he's like fat full from endgame there's just nothing there like it's nothing like that as well yeah it really is not being polite you seem like a calm and reasonable person yeah are you this whole exchange is very calm reasonable person that [ __ ] look dude and uh yeah with how tense this is being that I killed your sons and your brother um so are we good yeah we we cool it's the actor man I'm telling you his eyes just have weight yeah I'd agree with that the moment calls for I'd say the moment calls from calm don't worry talking about Thor's controversial design will be completely overwritten by a different conversation you know who I am back before winter set in there were some misunderstanding incredible ones but I think we all have a better idea of who we're dealing with now what you did to his boys self-defense dying is what we Asia live for and let's be honest they were kind of useless oh but balder you see that Odin's way of being like drink yeah yeah oh God there's so many details once you've completed the game coming up that's great in reference to that um so yeah uh there's plenty of complaints already and Chad just like yeah a terrible terrible design it's like so what's everyone think the first time uh the first time I watched the well should we just wait until the end of the cut scene to discuss it all or uh should we do it now well so I was kind of gunning for how looking at him on the surface and then going into detail so like because we know so little about him this is when everyone's reacting to him right I think me and Metal by the time we hit the end of these scenes we already have people being like tell us what you think Talus that was like I I don't even know how much I do but you know but like without any context would you would you guys consider his design a mistake I I honestly loved it right away I was like oh this is cool he's like a Mafia Boss type guy I don't see a reason to consider a mistake just from in terms of the design I see lots of references well actually wait right go ahead yeah you were saying something so at the beginning um I didn't care for the design I was pretty neutral on the design I didn't care for his his manner of speaking his uh just the voice it didn't quite click with me whereas now I really really like the character and I I think it gets nailed and I'm glad they did what they did and his first appearance very uh kind of shaky with me I could go either way but I really wasn't uh really wasn't much of a fan uh Thor was uh buying away the uh I was I was super pleased with Thor by the end of all of this uh this first segment we'll call it I guess his manner of speech being considered under design because that's feels like a different conversation to me almost yes um and though I understand the complaints of like too modern or whatever it should be like I mean so everybody speaks too modern and that's for sure yeah yeah this is a world especially in the this era of the games like the Norse the north Saga you could call it it's just hey the accents don't matter like it's not hey mamira actually sounds Scottish in the lore I heard people complaining about that in 2018 they're like they're talking they're acting like mamir is a celt God and I'm like no he's not it's not actually Scottish he's like that's just the way that actor talks yeah it makes the wise man Scottish well I mean I think the whole thing is they're consistent in being like Yeah The People the actors aren't doing accents they're just they're speaking the way they speak well actually well yeah but I mean do people do people say that about the old games too or um that's a great question about Kratos that he has an American accent even though he's Greek I mean I guess yeah that's fair that's always been the secret life of American accents that's always kind of that's always been like kind of the secret code with like English accents in things that are supposed to be Greek and or Roman where it's like if people sound English no one cares but if they sound anything else it's like oh that that doesn't really sound right but I think that at the very least my point is that this game is consistent about being like hey don't worry about the accents just think think about what what these characters are in relation to each other and what they're actually what their actions are what they're doing I am somewhat concerned with inconsistency in the uh accents but more particularly in terms of dialect and I think that's where the jarring response the jarring response is coming from for most people from the fact that we have mimir as an example of a casual but much much less anachronistic sort of style of speech but then most everyone else is talking like a modern American but there are still loads of people like Kratos and the Valkyries who don't you're right actually yeah honorable mention the fact that despite Kratos accent he seems to be one of the only characters that speak like instead of saying oh I'm coming he'll be like I am coming and you're like he's very that's the way he talks and you'll be like um I don't know it feels a lot different than for example Odin saying I'll get my ex off your back which is very at the same time I think I know pretty serious people that speak the way Kratos speaks like or like I I don't know serious people is the right word for it but you know what I mean like people who aren't necessarily the uh most serious the most easy-going folk like you wouldn't describe them that way they're a little high strung they do kind of speak in similar patterns to the way Kratos does in in the last two games I wouldn't necessarily have to agree with it yeah it's just the we've got a collection of voices here that I don't know um could ever be considered like I don't think there's any Venn diagram that has any of the circles filled with many of the characters really it's it's they all are all doing different things um in lots of different ways and it seems like that's just not something they give a [ __ ] about they're not uh for lack of ability and they're not going to make them feel as authentic as a lot of people would prefer the reason I brought this up was that I feel like it's got to be more than that for Odin because this applies to a lot of the characters yeah um I I would assume it's more than that road and I think actually it is a lot of the arguments involve like it doesn't feel like he of all people should be talking that way uh nor should he be this um casual but then we have to dig into what should Odin be you can reference mythology you can reference other adaptations or you can reference what we learned about him in the 2018 game and uh I don't know man after everything I did learn about him in the 2018 game this this uh this Odin makes a lot of sense to me beer um he's a sneaky [ __ ] it's disarming yes that you can tell that's how he gets his power is that a uh comes across as though he doesn't have a a huge presence and he can and yet when things matter that's the thing that's more to talk about once we see more of him but already he's taken full control of this room and um he kind of gives me his like Junior from The Sopranos it's like oh yes sorry dude yeah he's a kind of an unassuming like sort of thin smaller guy but yeah it's like oh but he could say the word and just have you killed immediately like don't mess with that guy also and then you have like stuff like he should have um you know the the look of Anthony Hopkins Odin right and stuff like that or you should you should be speaking very regally and stuff and just like I feel like those things will fall away the more you see of this version because he'll hopefully anyway that's also almost exactly what Zeus was and like the previous yeah the the way they portrayed in the Greek one I think is much more uh publicly expected this one a lot of these have to earn their place and uh well it's up to you is an individual to see whether or not they do but we'll we'll see some more of this shall we dying is what we easily live for and let's be honest they were kind of useless but balder he had value he was my best tracker Mike closer yeah his mind was gone sure but he had his uses and now he's gone because of you you follow me Kanye commentary is really [Laughter] that's right don't break too funny you're no fun anymore how about peace how does peace I just want to highlight like the both he and Thor after credit said what do you want they both seemed annoyed by that question yeah like what could we possibly want like come on yeah and so this you already get the impression that he's like he like takes a breath and he says how about peace like like basically I'm not even I don't even really want peace with you how about that's what we do strike retired God of War how about we just don't kill each other how about you stay home kick up your feet seek no quarrel with me I'm gonna pause here just for uh you noticed it Rags I think plenty of people do but the second the boy is brought of kratos's uh body language that is something as we go forward everyone if you are watching this like treat this as if you are watching a movie with actors yeah um which you're not often sort of thinking to do when you're watching a video game cut scene but we're at the stage now with this level of production that Expressions subtle body movements um they are filled uh they're scattered all over this game so keep an eye open for those sorts of things yeah that'll be rewarded some people might say like how do you miss it there's like no some people do miss it because it's uh well yeah and like I said a lot of people don't know to look for it in a video video game cut scene yeah it's not something they're wrong okay well if they've seen it before you know fair enough in this type of question that one has to stop his search for tear [ __ ] lie delivery dude we know what you've been up to stop it I would stop immediately whatever I was doing I was like okay sorry sorry tears always are dead he is dead you understand and then that's it there was Square [ __ ] I'll even sweeten the deal I'll let you keep the prisoner that I know you stole that's right I know you're in here somewhere you silver tongue little [ __ ] before I let him speak uh this is such a huge deal beer spent all of basically 2018 tell you how much of a piece of [ __ ] Odin is yeah he's here yeah now they're the same room again you can tell from the way Mamiya talks that this is a person that makes him feel incredibly uncomfortable yeah he comes out Swinging with this line why should we believe I went without you one of your promise has ever been what there he is partnering crime he's the first one if he tells you snow is white he's lying can't the smartest head look at this he [ __ ] hates him absolutely hates him Furious so much it's so calm too that's why it means even more when when you watched my thing it was this kind of love it's like oh look I'll be mirrors losing his [ __ ] and then he pointed I was like yeah because he's really angry and hates the guys like yeah that makes a lot of sense like he's we get more personal in this game yeah he like it's it's definitely his own responsibility to some degree but he just sees Odin as someone who [ __ ] ruined his own life as well as all these other peoples and he you know wishes he acted faster in that regard but yeah so he just hates this [ __ ] guy alive she passed himself see that we all want the same thing all right here's the deal I know you can trust I'll settle your debt with my ex keep Freya off your back keep your boy safe that's really all you want isn't it so what do you say no no [ __ ] love it this is so great so good but why didn't he take the deal though yeah so apparently this is a legit point of confusion for many people um so the first question everyone has in response to that question is oh you didn't play a 2018 game or no yeah um yeah 2010 game you're told that Odin is a deal maker he makes [ __ ] tons of deals with all kinds of people and every time he does he [ __ ] backstabs them destroys them kills them destroys the whole family basically cannot trust this [ __ ] he'll do anything he can to take advantage of you uh Mamiya has spent so long explaining to you that all he'll do is try and take advantage of you he also just made clear he's going to be attacking Freya yeah which is a big No-No um so yeah and Kratos didn't say I don't want peace he said no to the deal as presented yes and then I I quite love this angle by the way because it's just what is Odin's response to this like well it's there's only one he's gonna have it's executed so well too don't take all day yeah don't take all day it's the fact that he goes straight to that as well there's no bargaining here nope yeah which helps to establish the position of strength for Odin or at least you know yeah and I think the audience's view is worth saying Odin feels [ __ ] disrespected from that answer too um and yeah uh I I like the take that this is what Thor says next is exactly how the audience feel who really want to see this fight it's like finally about time I've been waiting for this you're not from here it's like in the event that there's in the event that there's anyone watching who hasn't played the previous game Kratos killed both of his sons yep yeah we we already got him hyper intimidating from just saying hello now we've got this overt like I'm gonna [ __ ] kill you Jesus Christ and the fact that he's enveloping the whole screen and he's got Kratos in his hand it's just like yeah this is a [ __ ] phenomenal intro the power of Thor Thor's huge like he's he's towering over Kratos when you first see him yeah quite nuts waiting for this you're not from here we got a tradition called blood pain it means I can appeal of you for what you took from my family you'll pick it up oh some people are confused so uh Kratos killed magni and then Thor beat Modi because the brother died he was obviously enraged and probably drunk Modi ran off and uh met back up with Kratos and atreus and then atreyas stabbed him in the neck and kicked him off a cliff [Music] now show me this God killer I've heard so much about can't fight without your ax cowards how were you ever a God of War I did not sink that fight with your brother I don't care I don't care I actually saw it real quick out of curiosity does Thor know that it was atreus who killed uh Modi I can't remember specifics if if uh you'd have to just check the dialogue I can't remember if he knows that it's the difference between atreus or a Kratos okay sorry because I'm under the impression that Thor thinks that Kratos killed both of them so I I just noticed he might do um I can't remember if atres takes responsibility for that like old well well maybe just to grab that or he later says he he didn't get the blood payment from atreus yet so oh yeah yeah both do you think yeah do you like do you think he considers it like a package blood blame yeah technically I mean something two people killed both of them okay [ __ ] you I really like having him snap his fingers to recall me on there especially do you see that one where he snapped it and it rose up just to block the ax attack that was just cool and of course looks [ __ ] awesome as well so cool it's here that he like Kratos kind of sorry yeah like right because like when he says that's for Modi like Kratos says you we're not there yet no no yeah but what he's highlighting is just the the fact that he would even say that's for Modi that implies he thinks Kratos is responsible all right right at least yeah at least in part yeah I think I think it's safe to say that Thor thinks it's both of them yeah if you're not finding goody you're not fighting right I love that they have pieces of dialogue for [ __ ] like that yeah yeah this is like yeah [ __ ] idiotic name I'm good what I love about this is it he's like calling of a dumb ass for not knowing he's like yeah it returns to me but it's just like you'd be so much more aware of that as someone who is in our universe that Kratos would necessarily I know he knows that's how it works but it's just like this is still new to him well mjolnir is one of the most famous things in this game for the audience well I mean he should also kind of know based on what Leviathan does no it's what I'm saying is like this is still he hasn't fought mjolnir for more than like a couple of minutes [Laughter] [Music] I hear Theo noises go oh no what do you guys like about that are you kidding me I am very serious go for it rags do you do you not think that this is a really excellent way to blend the storytelling of the character with the mechanics of it being a game exactly I think it's quite a terrible way I I can tell you right now Theo I'm going to guess you hate hideo Kojima no really you don't okay honestly surprised can I guess see his argument I'm gonna do it oh yeah is it the um mechanically speaking then he just had his first canonical death and it got undone by Thor electric UNM well that's not his first canonical death no it would be considered we don't this is he's never died before this would be the first time no he has a couple times in the Greek no games no those aren't deaths he goes to a place that comes out of it again it's [ __ ] this would be an actual death the whole reason why they're non-canon every time you die is because yeah characters Never Dies he never stops he keeps going but uh if you flash us the death screen that could imply for a moment though that he would have just been dead he died in the way that Buffy died like why the [ __ ] would you say that because I have a feeling that you would understand that about people just just listen close luckily all you did was spoil season one which is pretty bad luckily that's exactly what you just did and sorry I would go as far as saying uh no no spoileritos for Buffy because these These Fine gentlemen will be watching it eventually and it could be sooner rather than later um anyway for years now sorry so uh Theo why don't you why don't you why don't you say what do you think is wrong with it okay let's see what I can do so my problem is entirely and solely with the presence of the death screen I think that that screen is a really really bizarre inclusion and I don't understand what it's supposed to accomplish for two reasons first off because it's a real death fake out like for the character uh it makes and it came just after a qte sequence the first place every player's mind is going to go is did I just fail the QT oh [ __ ] and then they're going to mentally reset out of whatever was just taking place because they think they just failed the qte until they're baited back in and they have to re-engage with the scene because oh I didn't actually [ __ ] up that was nice wait because I I would want to counter my own arguments what I brought up just now and I'd want to counter that one that's uh I would say adding to it you are you are indeed in the mode of I lost [ __ ] and then a voice comes where it never is expected before of we're not done and you go wave what and then you rise all the way back into no we're still playing this game it's not over yet like uh that's the experience I think they're going for they want you to go into that mode of uh playing the game of oh I lost all right I have to build myself back up need a focus and it's like no not at all you you you're back okay as much as though I can agree with you on the point of like it's literal false information to the player they didn't lose anything um I think all that does that that's my problem is it creates all it does is obfuscate and create a small sense of confusion for a moment but to respond to what you've said I think that would be much more effective if that came from an actual player death but actual player deaths result in real death screens and this script to death does not and that's when the only fake out comes like he will actually kill you if you die when you're not supposed to that's true um I think then it would have been cool actually for them to force this early if you actually had a legit death quote unquote yeah yeah that could work I think this works tremendously well if it's a real death I think well let's see I still think it works when it's a fake out death but I I think it's better if it was a real death I think it's so bizarre as a choice especially because it compromises that one take thing as well yeah you're right and in Universe contextualizes the existence of a death screen which is kind of horrifying to think about do you think that an in-universe contextualizes a death screen or maybe that's something that's out of universe that is being shown to us meanwhile in Universe it's just Kratos lying there yeah I think anyone who goes as far as to say that it implies an in-universe death screen is uh I was gonna say like Theo surely wild in that argument then pause menus have to be out as well that's that's a pretty wild well yeah I think Theo's already made that argument though to be fair hasn't he the menus uh result again I'm not fully willing to commit down that line like that's a bit further than I would maybe reach but pause menus are something that is player dictated or a concession to gameplay okay sorry uh upgrade menu upgrade menus does the same not apply that's what I'm suggesting is that we would contextualize it the same way we see menus Kratos sees I'm looking at my bag of stuff and I'm moving things around and putting things on and changing things sure but this came as resultant from a scripted sequence okay but what we see isn't what he sees okay what about the menus that come up that you have to engage with though that you must do that are that you have to do it like you have to go onto the menu to learn how to upgrade or qte button prompts well you actually you can't disable tutorials either I mean I tried and they still come up I'd be fully willing to make the argument the game could or the game would be benefiting from having diegetic menu systems I think that uh well sure but like you wouldn't you wouldn't say that when it's a scripted you have to go into the menu to learn how to do unlocks that that would be the universe recognizing and like canonizing menus in the world have Kratos take out a book and have that be yeah they sometimes do that obviously when having us walk into the Smith in order to upgrade our [ __ ] is the best contextualizer in Universe uh someone said well what's the point of the death screen then if it's uh only for the players like it's it's doing it's to encourage the player into that sense that Theo was saying was actually a negative of you did lose we're familiar with that death screen we go oh we died this is a quick time event that you have to lose because it's a it's a it's an unwinnable situation you you have to die here do this quick yeah it's like it's specifically to make the player feel a particular way it's got nothing to do with Kratos in terms of the death screen vulnerability um Here We Go Again guess that's a different opinion to bowler Rags for you therefore sped 45 minutes beating this topic to death wow welcome to efap Theo is definitely one of the people who uh comes up with interesting ideas and the funny thing is we all just agreed with him that it would be an improvement if it were yeah never mind that but I don't think that this is bad at all I like it a lot I think it's pretty great and I don't know oh yeah I really quite hate it I find it incredibly baffling as a choice I like it but I agree with Rio's argument I well I guess the thing is is that I I'm not I'm pretty sure that a lot of people responded to this well so like I think in terms of achieving what they were going for it it worked even if it's like a a decision that you disliked I guess if you got what I mean yeah like I remember seeing people talking about how like that caught them off guard and they thought it was really cool I've done like specifically for the uh I'm not really appealing to popularity it's more so just that like an effect that they were going for was achieved the effect being oh I died damn oh wait no I didn't holy [ __ ] like that's just a response I've seen that was how I responded to it when I when I played it I thought this is incredibly weird because I'm having to try and infer mindsets from what people are saying when they're commentating over when they're playing the game but I've also seen like I have seen many people Express sort of a sense of befuddlement rather than the immediate sense of oh I lost like rather than considering oh I failed the QT they Wonder did I fail the qte because of course they would have been mashing so that one day like what was insufficient about what I've done yeah confusion rather than the intended that's actually why I agree with you that it would be an improvement uh just strictly to be an actual death because it can it can betray your uh your inputs but obviously it's um technically speaking you'll realize pretty quickly it's not it's not any of that because you haven't lost anything It ultimately is the developer trolling the player for like a quick smirk laugh like I mean that that that's ultimately what's happening right because it's them pretending that you're dead when you're not really dead and then immediately saying well and just kidding like now we're back into the game and I think that it's completely acceptable for your reaction to that to be hahaha You got me or I'll [ __ ] you like I think both of those are kind of reasonable someone brings up something pretty fair as well you can switch it to from pressing to holding and you and they've said like people who play with that which you can choose as an option oh yeah because they're just like it's like what the [ __ ] yeah so that's fair as well it needs I would say it needs tweaking on that respect it actually makes the accessibility not make sense with the difficulty that they chose this game doesn't have regs you might have a Jim Sterling video to respond to it doesn't really have failable qts right I don't think so oh no wait you do the Freya ones in the opening you can fail um okay I did that in the first the first time because I was mashing instead of only pressing it once instead of only pressing it once yeah because you're supposed to do like R1 L1 so you do those elbows but I was mashing them so buffered the inputs or honestly just like oh you're doing way too many inputs you die now any QT is better than having to try to tap e really quickly during Calista protocol I don't like tapping buttons on PC I know I'm just like oh man okay at least make it base yeah like a bit like get make it be enter or something that's nice and chunky for me alternate between left and right Mouse I'd like if that became a thing I think that we've certainly talked about qtes in the past and where I think they're appropriate um but of course I haven't played this game so I couldn't really uh but yeah for the sake of countering the argument I was bringing up before uh Theo's it was the that you don't have to contextualize this as a death as opposed to him being knocked out yeah the screen is for the player um and of course death is a process not just the thing that necessarily happens it's like a defibrillating those people are like sure they're dead in a way but also you can Undead them also this implies that Thor has gone to medical school and is a certified I don't see any reason not to think that that's not how cardioversion works but maybe it should but yeah yeah so to be easier to be definitive right because I don't believe you yes uh what's supposed to have happened in God of War one and two is a death it's just that in the Greek world I guess you could say it about the Norse one too it's just that uh in the Greek one it seems easier to just sort of leave um when you die the the first one obviously he climbs right out and the second one um Gaia gives him something yeah she like Powers you up or something no no the the first one it's a pretty big deal it's in God of War II um Zeus kills him and then he climbs right out and like like immediately he's definitely you say big deal I mean you go through a series of platforms it's really weird mean it's it's arguably the most frustrating area I don't disagree with that I'm saying I'm saying um a broad description right at least in God of War 2 Gaia had to do something powerful and magical or whatever but in the first one you it's a logistical issue you must move from A to B to get out of dying yeah that's true um obviously it's not yeah the hell was a [ __ ] nightmare in that game um dude I saw people saying they want David Jaffe back because Corey barlog sucks and I was just like you guys remember what he did right although to be fair I've [ __ ] on David Jaffe in my videos before because I made a big video on Metroid and his takes on Metroid dread are absolutely trash I think he has come out and said yeah well you know Hades you we ran out of time what can I say he's been pretty upfront about that not being his favorite part of that game so like I still like you David although uh last fight in the game is that x-ray girl screaming in the background yeah it is she's playing uh doctor yeah he's screaming what do you mean they don't have weapon crafting but a fully functional cash shop where I can't just buy things I want for the actual thank you it's almost like this company knows what to do but they purposefully didn't do it [ __ ] this game that's probably what she's saying but yeah I've actually been upset with some of the experiences I've had with dark times because it's about it yeah it's a market very clear and Stark downgrade from vermintide too I also don't buy dark tide right now everybody so I did I also don't think that switching engines was the best move because uh man that game kind of runs like trash on all of my computers oh no yeah environmental 2 didn't look bad but yeah before we go into a spiel about something that I care a lot about and have many things to say let's return to Ragnarok because we have a lot to cover oh wait mostly through it now we're near the end oh all right how do you guys um [Music] yes this is the music section [Music] fourth theme is pretty [ __ ] this I believe is the theme for Asgard the the light Motif but this obviously is the one that's used for this fight yeah it is it is because it plays at another part in the game a couple parts yeah I was gonna say specifically but we're not doing that [Music] this might legitimately be a soundtrack that I buy a CD of it's so good it's really really good this is a pretty awesome game vinyls there's um companies like limited not limited run sorry I'm oh [ __ ] I am 8-bit that do um vinyl records of game soundtracks and what they'll do is they'll give you an MP3 code or like a digital download code and then a vinyl that's got like really nice artwork on it and stuff and uh it's usually I mean on the pricey side but usually worth it if you think the music's really good foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] growing strings towards the beginning I really really like that at the start of the theme the yeah yeah I like all of it all of it man but as I've been made where I have a serious weakness for choir whenever they're doing anything uh I'm walking awesome it's really funny I'm quite the opposite at this point because from soft have annoyed me with it they still I I actually thought that would happen with me it still hasn't they can send a billion choirs yeah because their tracks have started to get kind of samey or like there is one style of instrumentation and one sound that they like to do over and over again and it's a good sound but they keep doing it I think it's so totally fake because yeah from soundtracks have been they are very the choir is always there every time uh but it's the variety ride yeah I love Dark Souls 3 soundtrack and a lot of that is loud um like it's not as there's not as much varieties in like demon souls or uh or bloodborne or Dark Souls but I still love it there's actually one track called uh the demons lament where it's there's no clue there's a lot of choir okay that's the second as well and you can tell it's her sound coming through even if it's very Japanese um but yeah I haven't gotten tired of hearing basically any instrument I don't think I ever will uh it's really pretty cool I like them I want you guys to play Sakura I'd love to hear what you think of it race is good no that's different that doesn't count metal we might have to talk about second row one time oh no I'm not interesting okay yeah whatever [ __ ] off oh sorry love talking to you about RoboCop we talked about RoboCop and I'm an actual Cyborg how about that yeah that was your choice by the way I was not being a cyborg racism so whatever that's true yeah it was legit one of my favorite movies before I lost a leg so you know how about that oh God shut up honey [Music] what a [ __ ] spectacle when he when he grabs it but the camera's following them as they just fly away he's going this is like oh it's so [ __ ] cool yes this little exchange is great this is the best gift I've seen out of this game too and what do we get frozen lightning baby this feels familiar he says yeah that's familiar what don't matter and they don't care if you don't find out nope yeah do you have this in here mutually at all that won't be I won't be able to get that in time so we'll have to talk about it when it becomes relevant I remember seeing like multiple people get terrified about potential time travel in implications from that oh yeah there was a lot of theories I remember I talked about this on the 2018 stream I'm glad I was absolutely wrong and that there was no chance of it happening but Paul was going to send Kratos back in time after he died and became Yeoman gander yes [Music] okay to be fair they did a lot more than hurt his feelings like as a person who's pretty recently played every single God of War game yeah they did a lot of [ __ ] to create he's um you might say he's being rude when he summarizes it that way yeah a little bit full bit rude mate yeah come on man as you can tell from the damage this is called story mode yeah I see why my sons yeah foreign version of you but hey unfortunate timing on those two lines in this version huh but see he's under the impression that that Kratos kill both of them right no way my sons fell to you immediately followed by this is why my son swell to you yeah oh I see what you mean because of the sort of random dialogue and then yeah sorry I was combining what both of you were saying and I was like I have no [ __ ] clue what your point is um so yeah I know like I wasn't even on Theo's page at all I was just like see like Thor's under the impression the Kratos killed them both and Theo was I think you might be right I'm not sure you might still hear what he's talking about he might still be attributing it as they fell to you as a you and atreus sort of thing yeah I'd accept that as well I see why my sons fell to you you missed lesser version of you but I am not myself [Music] bye there he is [Music] there's the God of War souvenir God souvenir get it it's still out there it's still out there it's gonna be oh my sons but you punch me real good so it's cool well it seems to me that it becomes clear at that point he was never going to kill Kratos that wasn't why he was there when you think about it is kind of funny but it is a very cool scene I love the Expressions on him again when he grabs them and you start to it becomes clear it's like they clearly crank the um the work they do on expressions for particular moments because like Thor's face is not that animated all the time but in that moment it needs to be mm-hmm it's syndrian Brock that was quite a fight can we oh now Odin is with atreus oh no once you chase Odin off you got another place to lay your head tonight and I don't mean that talking bro they will not abandon my home oh yeah and what's to stop the all [ __ ] from spying on you or Raven picking your house you go get your boy and I'll speak to a certain someone about putting you up in his place in a bench I was about to look for you are you what does he want to pay for the roof and he invited me to Asgard the payment proof is such a mobster it is that's for the window that we've been obviously good why were you searching for tear if I told you I was looking for him you would have said not to so you hit the truth for me I wanted to tell you I really did but now that you know there's something you should see no trust me you want to you have broken my trust then let me regain it let me show you what I found besides we haven't seen the last of Odin War Thor and clearly they can just walk in and blast holes in our home whenever they want there's only one way to get them off our backs and I think I know how sir Zoe gallery of things [Music] yeah some of these obviously these clips are more so for just you can understand with us what the storyline even is but yeah yeah yeah obviously revealing that he's getting a little upset about Mr tier but how and why and this is how and why [Music] well that's new [Music] you didn't show the coin throw that's true I probably should have because it's kind of neat uh that little coin Kratos throws it and uh Mamiya says and you can piss off or some [ __ ] I don't know I can't remember but it's just a um I think when I picked it up I was like you better get rid of that get rid of it it's [ __ ] Odin's coin I don't trust it broke his eyes get rid of it come on address wait yeah I don't think he's waiting what does any of this have to do we're coming to that look here's Ragnarok do you see who's leading the armies against Odin that's tear if he's gonna be around at Ragnarok that means he's Gotta Be Alive we know it's tear because he's holding a spear which apparently is something that Tia does I'm here can this be Odin told me he killed Tia and he trusted me at the time also I thought what if he didn't kill him what if he's just had him locked up some more all this time we are back to IFS enough wait we are going home wait I have one more thing to show you that's it then tearsen's photo finds somewhere imprisoned in a mine so what now oh brother a word don't hold the Lord's curiosity against him goes with being young in my youth we learned obedience and is that what you wish for him brother he's going to walk his own path if you don't want him walking away from you and smarten up and walk with him a while genuinely one of the most important lines in the whole game Sorry it protects a lot of things yeah on their path and not even in the cutscene that's right yeah I guess it's an in-game cutscene arguably I forget what we would how we start together holding forward yeah you get what I mean I I I it's these moments like I think even in drinker's stream he was like he doesn't talk when cutscenes play but when these moments play he's like you'll talk with his audience and stuff it's like a is an indication of the dialogue being less important when it's not in uh hard cut scene format if I can call it that um you know I don't blame people missing it it's just that this line is super [ __ ] important yeah find a way to open rum travel to Sparta Farm I bet there'd be all sorts of useful equipment for us enough we'll go I really like that because he's like come on dad uh the upgrades all the weapons we'll go you get all that stuff it's like yeah fine we go if I would go to McDonald's son fine really we do not find here you will abandon your search for good all right you won't be sorry come in come in if you would just wipe your feet very thoroughly I'll wait you're not gonna wipe your feet are you this is another scene I think uh Rags when you because this is still like early on and you even knowing anything about all this I think syndrome had a pretty good impression on you in this scene right uh yeah I've always liked uh I I really appreciate just um we get a lot extra out of syndrome because this is the cut scene level where we have expressions and you can see where the eyes look and just his mannerisms how he moves around uh and it really helps bring this character to life and and you really appreciate them especially his dynamic as opposed to you know Kratos and a lot of the other people yes indri is a very quick favorite lots of bouncing off of different personalities and yeah uh just keeping an eye on everyone's faces again in this scene they were clearly putting a lot of effort into this your bedrooms are there the kitchen is just over there any anybody need a snack craters it's not I do not need a snack what we need is I should have included it I guess um that basically uh the realization is that cindery's been helping atreus this whole time yeah and Kratos is very [ __ ] upset about that try and rescue tear to tear alive I mean that's a what you know what I told him everything everything you waited my son disobeying me no I I kept an eye on him on your behalf nothing risky everything very safe somebody else speaking what's important right now let's try and open up travel between Realms again you said you know a way yes I do I just it's just there's it's just a lot of mud then why haven't you opened the way already man well to be frank there was something we needed your help with oh the holder Brothers finally require the services of the smartest man alive that's it precisely not how does this not feel like a reintroduction for these two in terms of I know right Century spends the whole seed like tried desperately just to be taken seriously and to help people and to feel about that geobophobic stuff but also uh just avoiding damage that Brock just blasts onto screen like hey yo I'm here obviously they were introduced earlier it's just that this felt like the actual like reintroduction as opposed to the uh just saying hello to him so that's how'd that get in here this is also kind of the first scene post introduction right kind of yeah what no Yarns me to have been doing he's too damn tall now dude that's almost like here is now your home base for the rest of the game yep I blame you now come on then let's get him something he's just getting older you dark flat didn't you ever have an awkward phase in your youth hey yes suppose what's done is done they came right out and said it too we're all thinking it sorry a transactor yeah the uh Spotify holder Brothers got a very very recognizable like what if I would say because of uh yeah it comes up at a certain point that's very memorable and yeah just the variety of the instruments and The Vibes in this game well and how you can take one theme and shift the instrumentation and maybe the key a little bit and totally change the tone of it thank you I was surprised they didn't copy the menus over he's a customer from the other game they really wanted to separate them out I guess because I would have thought it'd just be saved work but then again I've never developed again so what would I know some of ours sort of works for the city on safety issues should have access to all kinds of information on mines and I know he's no friend of Odin that's why your mother sought his help when she was trying to whip up a rebellion ready a rebellion did you know about that I did not a Rebels sounds like exactly what we need I think you missed the ta-da you missed it never mind I'll have this oiled up in no time meet you at the Gateway outside Rebel leader darling if that ain't giving a Hound a haircut huh very true don't give a hand haircut wait what just happened what I uh it wasn't me I'm inside of a game right now I can't click [ __ ] so it was you it was metal he pressed a button in the game and it made something happen but I've been pressing buttons this whole time and nothing how incredible it was you Rags you're just shifting blame on me because I'm not German I don't even know how to I don't even know how to do what just happened some people just said yeah it was Joel it could have been I was trying to oh yeah I'll do anything and watch to get there remember things ruins everything until a couple of Strays show up looking for trouble what do you mean bruh show over here oh is it not playing for you guys it's playing it's funny yeah oh I I'm not seeing anything does that mean I was the problem so probably if you want to rejoin the room that might fix it you are no problem all right can I just read it you're the god of problems so all tabs.com [Music] foreign [Music] yeah yeah I'm good so I'm not sorry about that no never mind it ain't no Brock's place to cast asparagations on My Relations this mud sponger notwithstanding ignoring you fine go dark in durland's door see for yourself how it goes just be warned he's not the friendly sort of dwarf folk you're used to he's cranky as all get out and he talked funny too sounds like a true studying contrast head off buddy this would be the part requiring my assistance then you said it this device here has been crafted to your measurements it'll help you get a better look at the problem with those by Frost eyes of yours so I do I control this thing somehow then oh no no no no no no no this is just to hold you in place while we shine this light in your eyes Broncos have a good time with his life I mean they probably did that in the correct way though like don't do you know it's like okay we're gonna put his light in the eyes let's not let's not make him dread it let's let's tell him about it right as it's about to happen it's probably the best way it makes for a incredibly useful tool as a result um I'm kind of glad that they found a way to do this in a way that somehow like it makes more sense in pulling it out of their ass like because the bifrost eyes were like the whole they're one of the last things you used to get in the previous game like the second die I'm hoping not to use the eyelid clamps release that's our cue come on hurry I'm coming I'm coming acrossful cause eggs man what was that for you'll see soon enough just there see no permanent damage I'll show you I'm not I'm a joey [ __ ] okay Josh he threw me at him so fast thank you I still can't buy all these characters I don't know it's they're [ __ ] great I I was recording it while I was grabbing something if you stand there for long enough uh baby is like Kratos get me like really pick me up right I believe Mom let a whole Rebellion here against Odin never talked about it the fact that it didn't go well might have come that notion what your mother did before we met was her business did you ever ask Eyes On The Water there are resources change topic real quick if you never asked Mom about what she used to do what did you talk about when you met like did you just say woman God that house I will go to catch fish in the river and then leave for five days no your mother was far better at fishing than I what exactly are you hoping to learn from tear well you said I was hoping he could tell me something about Loki was that one a synthetic man huh the wife's better at fishing totally woke sjw propaganda I'm sure someone in chat's already taken care of that is traveling to other lands giant stuff and maybe about what it was like to fight back in the day just for the history obviously history let's hope tears in a talkative mood after being imprisoned for so long not all of Odin's captives can be as charmingly volleyball as myself we have no proof tear is truly here right if he's here sorry actually this this might be a bit of a tangent but I guess it's worth bringing up uh Theo like how do you feel about the story being delivered through these dialogue like these conversations while moving between places in the game like exploring the environment I think I've mentioned that it's a good way to fill that time considering it's not being filled by anything else which is potentially a criticism you could have however yeah it's a good place to well people talk to each other as they go places right so that's completely fine the one issue I would have is sometimes the dialogue can end up coming out in a very poorly paced kind of way because there are things happening in between conversations so like characters will have a conversation that doesn't really end like one of them just delivers a line that clearly invites a response but none is given because you walk into a combat Arena then the combat Arena you do all of that characters behaves if there was not a prior conversation going on because they can't really account for that technologically speaking and then you walk a bit past that combat Arena after finishing it and the conversation resumes right from where it left off in terms of emotional Cadence and it can be pretty jarring do you think that if this was a television show because I don't think we'd even end because if it was a film would just not be enough time do you think that in a television show that you are presented with opportunities to convey this information in this kind of way or would you have to change it a good amount in terms of the delivery of this information to adapt it to television you may have to change it I'm not entirely sure it would like it comes down to annoying considerations like the amount of time you have I think you could have that amount of time but I don't think you necessarily would depending on considerations like budget I could um sorry I don't know I I kind of like that system of like hey this sort of flavor text for the lore that we were talking about when you were side questing and got into this area where it necessitates a combat encounter so we have to stop the conversation because if Amir keeps talking it would be kind of ridiculous or or you wouldn't be listening yeah as long as you're playing on the difficulty that demands your attention I think they almost nailed it they uh um yeah so before that happened what I was saying was and because the player doesn't need to hear the beginning of the story again you know like uh yeah there's for some reason there's more mistakes in this game in that regard than there was in 2018 I don't know how that happened um yeah because like in 2018 I think there was I want to say between two and five instances of me actually having dialogue ruined because of crossovers or because it got canceled out for no reason at all in this game I felt like it happened a solid 10 to 15 times and I was actually getting annoyed because I was like stop why are you stopping why are you starting why are you crossing over what's happening like what yeah there's a lot of times when you go like on the sled or one of the boats and you're just like 10 seconds away from the next Shore and then they're like that's that's continue this later it's like wow I was listening I still have time to spend also I would have stopped in front of the shore so I can finish the story while in 2018 there was mostly they stopped when you get on on the shore they're like okay wait hang on we're gonna go in there what's funny is now every time I see extensive accessibility menus all I can think is when there's something that's a blatant oversight like and for example in Callisto protocol you just can't remap buttons on a controller at all so if you want light attack to be R1 and heavy attacked br2 [ __ ] off because that's not happening you have to light attack with R2 and heavy melee attack with R1 and it's just like well in your accessibility settings you've got all this like crazy high contrast stuff and ability to shift the text size and make it so that you're automatically dodging and all this like can I just remap the controller why is that not sorry they made you they made the equivalent of light heavy R1 R2 and reversed yeah yeah but like because uh they're they're I I assume that their theory is because R2 is your trigger that you use to fire a gun that it should be your stuff your your go-to melee attack and the heavy one is the weird one that you want to to throw like you know like every now and then this is why we don't cross the genre streams yeah like you don't cross the streams man like focus on the type of game you want to make man that game sounds more unappealing the more I hear about it oh no it's yeah like honestly it's one of those things like I would honestly regret rebuying it on Console just so I could functionally play it if not for the fact that it's so bad I've definitely got a video out of this game Lincoln well I uh I want to drag the conversation back to the question no no no more specifically um whether the whether it benefits from being a game rather than a television show or a film because a lot of the reasons why I kind of stand it as a video game is because I feel like having banter during these moments of traveling you know between different places like when you're in the River delta sort of area or something to to go explore it's like a a good tool that video games have more readily available to them to deliver story um that is difficult to do in a television show in the sense that the television show has a set pace um whereas in the video game if you're given more freedom to explore that's just something that's available to you I guess from a storytelling perspective that I think that they used here yeah and I I can agree to that I think that one of the strengths of video games as a medium is the ability to easily seek additional lore that isn't um a critical path like it's not it's not required in order to see the thing whereas every time you have a lore dump that has nothing to do with the story in a TV or a TV show or a movie it sort of doesn't work you know like it's like well why are you telling me this is this important one of one of the pieces of writing advice that annoys me the most is cut it out if it's not necessary because I think that that's incredibly vague as a piece of advice like what is or isn't necessary it's kind of complicated I think um it comes down to people using a really weird idea of necessity because yeah tend to see necessity in terms of if it's strictly plot relevant yeah yeah strictly in terms of what it accomplishes specifically for plot or for characters if you're being generous I think about the exchange that we had before right of uh did you ever talk to Faye about like her past or you know did you not do that and then just like go look for resources that could easily somebody could be like well that's not doing much is it you know like that's not really getting us anywhere so cut it and it's like man you lose you lose a thread and I guess that might be because that's that's a bit more important but there are like other conversations that are very much just about giving you a little bit more detail about the world or just a little bit of information about a character well I guess how Frankie actually how's this as a scenario for you see if on the Millennium Falcon like just after they leave Mas Eisley in the first Star Wars film Obi-Wan tells Luke a story about the mandalorians that has nothing at all to do with the plot that's that's World building for the Star Wars universe and there's a lot of good lore around the mandalorians but it's like well why why are you telling me this like in a movie that it sticks out like a sore thumb is like well that if this doesn't come into play later then I feel like you shouldn't be telling me this whereas I think you're very much correct in that video games are a medium in which you can just decide hey I'm gonna wander around over here and talk to this character and maybe learn a little bit more about the world but I know like part of the deal the contract I enter into in seeking this information is it might not be critical to the plot but it might give me a little more flavor to the world you know yeah I think when it comes to a film just by virtue of how much time a film has uh I I think that expediency and storytelling is good um in terms of trying to achieve as much as possible uh concisely you know like strong dialogue achieving multiple things at once means that you don't have to have a like a conversation that you that uh a less uh competent writer would take way longer to achieve like you can condense it I think in the case of a game it's just one of the benefits is kind of like you said that you can pursue optional dialogue whereas optional material in a television show or a film you know yeah it's not a thing which happens unless we we enter an era where Pop-Up Video is like would you like extra lore yes and then it gives you a little sidebar for the thing it's like a spin-off TV shows or optional content to add more uh I guess in a sense did you enjoy Breaking Bad you can check out the optional story Better Call Saul Better Call Saul charmingly volleyball well we don't want to fall as a tree and you have a severed head on your head none taken you can take it I've got a point though very well we're looking for darling you have an appointment um uh no has anyone ever had an appointment here they collect on something foul thank God for writing a seven dead around on Europe is going to scare me into somehow approving estrogen secretion proposal out we are looking for a prisoner of Odin he's being kept in a Minds right up until this point I really Dylan gets like [ __ ] minutes in this scene but he's so characterized for lack of a better team yeah so this guy is just like clearly not in the mood for [ __ ] has dealt with a lot and simultaneously already trying to figure these people out just by looking at them definitely feels like he's on point and when he says like uh you know he wants the information that that little move that he does like yeah so are we all buddy what are you like you know [ __ ] whatever like but then look at his face when he sees the ax somewhere some friends of ours said that you can help where did you get all right yeah he jumped her head off with that too right she was my wife putting together exactly who these two are uh yeah no he's like okay wait that wasn't that wasn't what I what I distinctively thought it was okay completely changes I really love the uh he grabs Dina straight away yeah does this boy look like he could be a cross between those two or what Dina and I wondered where she went after a little cooler filed failed didn't work failed hey you're dead rest of them all [Music] one's Left Alive After by the price afraid I can't help you with your little prisoner situation but he could have answers on how to stop Odin and free spotify'll find from the ace here now I'm not in the business of crossing the old father anymore right before you go all right take this what is it a fine hygiene code violation for improper transport of a rotting head uh two demerits for speaking to you all fathers give a name and uh for [ __ ] up my desk a fine play it at your leisure okay okay okay get out of my office be it him and ratatoska especially came across super fantasy characters to be just the kind absolutely yeah you're just like wow look at you like what are you about yeah everyone let's say like he looks like a Smee from Hook it's like yes [Music] hey there so what about get out of my office don't you understand you said her name was dinner oh uh sure lots to say about this scene yeah but not until way later yeah um you have to we have to judge it for what it is at the time and we're getting uh the payoff internet I think foreign hey this isn't a fun part now there are enemies ahead yeah it seems like Dylan may have helped them more than he was handing on to there in terms of just uh yeah but it was a fine but it ain't a fine possible deniability for Odin too yes and well yeah how he speaks yeah aloud there's uh there's so much to say but most of what I want to say about that scene can't be said until way later so I feel like I'm just gonna have to wait I guess stay tuned um yes another moment to appreciate this fatal fine battle music now [Music] oh and by the way I guess it's worth noting the game looks incredible oh yeah it almost feels like a given everything looks amazing just if you didn't know just watch it here it's like obviously this game is visually stunning visually speaking this is compressed to hell and back so uh even then were you playing an HDR as well like a high dynamic range um I'd have to check I have to change some settings because my um things weren't working right with my OBS [ __ ] so okay because I find that like the way that things look a little on the washed outside here that that tends to be what happens when I'm playing an HDR but capture in standard dynamic range and it makes things look all kind of great what you'll find is that the uh saturation contrast they're going to change throughout this because my default saturation on the PS5 is like sickly uh in terms of color so I have to turn it down but I tried to match it to what I'm seeing on the um you know the primary screen is coming through but sometimes I make it a little too washed out like so you'll see it it'll come up eventually the because it usually at the beginning of my recordings and I'm like oh [ __ ] I haven't changed it and everything looks kind of Clowny like really really bright and colorful [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] lad it's just a word I've heard way worse does not matter it's way worse we were falling through the air I thought we were gonna die is that what you truly wish your last word to be now it's been moments of Crisis Panic does nothing harness it let it serve you father that's like uh I think is it a trailer and it comes up again later in terms of just a line that is important for something it's so weird that it's prompted by him saying [ __ ] yeah um and yeah it's done in a casual moment in the game there's a lot of really strong lines throughout this game um you can find them in all different kinds of places uh also there's like I skipped a better part of that song I'm sorry I can't play all of the the song I try to choose sections I did my best I'm sorry there's a game of the Mind you can get up here I'll need your help lifting it oh come on you can jump that and these aren't that bad atres no you said not to but I can't stop thinking about this spend all of our time fighting bad stuff and I don't get why we can't do that alongside here we do not know him we saw his shrines he's a leader he stood up to Odin when no one else would if he's done it before why wouldn't he do it again images from law to go do not tell a whole story I can't help but feel like you're angry with me or something ever since we got to sparto farm you've been critical of my every move if you don't think I can lead us say something it is not your competence that is in question okay but what does that mean consider your intent I intend to help the God of War stop Odin and that means freeing him from whatever prison he's in right now atreus do my words irritate you it's fine I get it wait is that light up ahead there I mean it's just building up uh creators is worried about what exactly a trace is fully up to and they do build that early on in terms of um there's a couple of lines I didn't include them where uh Kratos asks mamir what is what does he think Odin and atreus talked about the implication being that atreus isn't telling us everything Odin said uh which is a bit of a worry yeah what trigger oh and someone said but he said intentions don't matter no so what he's talking about with the Bears is that now that their parent is dead and they are orphan Bears your intention to not do that doesn't matter anymore only the consequence is that they are now orphans your intention matters before you commit to an action and that's what uh Kratos is talking about like uh why why are we here why are we getting here and if it's because you want to start a war that ain't uh that ain't very good that'll be a bad sentences are said and lessons are given in contexts that you know they are dependent on so those lines aren't exactly directly comparable considering the context of what they're being about yeah like when you have the orphan beers telling them I didn't mean to Orphan you is um it's just not going to do a lot thanks okie dokie yeah what is your intent matter at that point when you're considering starting a war then you know degree is this order what game do you play with me now we're not with Odin we're the good guys you guys gonna have fun reviewing this uh without spoilers it's gonna be great isn't it yeah it is silence chat sorry tear no he did laughs dude have an argument for that for a while but oh dude it was beautiful all the [ __ ] people who were like soy tea and then they complete the game they're like oh [ __ ] this is the God of War those plates I know you God killer have you come from me now stay away brother let me try dear Tia look you know me don't you foreign right back yeah stay away from me you monsters stop I wonder sometimes like a trace that responds yeah but we brought him right back to that too I was like oh it's like okay you don't have a good concept of life and death and this popsy-turvy world I mean yeah it's just fun for the like oh oh I think almost the first time someone has seen maybe or God what the [ __ ] instead I'm just like oh yeah it's a head no problem yeah just let's not forget this is a talking disembodied head so in any other context it might be strange we need him what boy it's possible we've been around him so long it seems normal to us listen I swear we're not here to hurt you we're just trying to get you away from me please take you somewhere safe away from Odin show Mercy this is my father we help people I don't belong out here please it's worse when he's angry I'm not a soldier are you not a leader of men Master yourself my son brought us to this place for you look at him there's some this incredible disappointment Kratos has for the God of War for the Norse mythology like what is wrong with you why are you strong you why why are you gay you don't know me I know what you stood for you helped the Giants we're returning the favor we we are leaving are you coming with us [Music] March craters realizing they're really tall in this place what's everybody bigger than me I hate the egg the large huge here your statue in the lake you had a spirit I thought you needed a walking stick I'm kind thought but no thank you no but okay even though Trails like sucks what's happening I I ran because I don't always know what's real is sometimes there's no shame in that brother we live in strange times everyone hears him talk we want some eternal I was about to say you could feel the shrug from the beer because he can't really shrug yeah foreign [Music] Odin's wrath to free me well Ragnarok is coming I hope you knew that oh we thought you'd want to help you you freed me only to start a war no um sotia it's good to see you in the flesh again the mirror what's become of you following in your footsteps betrayal indefinite imprisonment executable torture at the hands of the old father you didn't deserve such treatment did you I will say my view is a touch better than yours we found him at the top of a mountain with tree roots wrapped all around him the only way to free him was to well that highly Pleasant for all parties involved you okay the light it's been so long there's an outcropping just ahead the shade will make it easier on your eyes come on yeah it's becoming clear that uh Tia's time spent in prison has had a huge effect on him and uh obviously from what we learned from him in the previous game it wasn't like he was a very active fighting God of War he was uh was a peace broker as much as possible he stood up to Odin but like he was known for being some ruthless fighter that rescued everybody from everything yeah so everybody loved him he was like hey yo T what's up come here hang out and stuff and like all the Realms even like he went everywhere and everyone was like yeah he's a cool guy he's pretty he's pretty neat and Ragnarok is coming means balder balder is dead ordin sent him to track down a giant in midgard and then he found kratoset anyway I promise to take these two to the tallest peak in the Realms if they'd chop off my head and convince Freya to bring it back speak of Boulder I was getting to that I was sad to see in this recording I interrupted the other line that I really like where he finishes that conversation by saying it wasn't all kill this kill that and you saw I had a I had a light jog I don't know how I managed to outpace the dialogue yeah this uh it it stinks when it happens and you don't feel like you've you know you're not rushing ahead but I guess when you you make these lines you have to design these levels and this is this is one mind this is one they don't repeat it's not one that just uh yeah it's gone forever and that's the thing I could have sprinted and uh I would have lost all of it I honestly didn't think that any of them you totally lost I thought they all just sort of resumed when you were finished the battle I'd like like I I would figure in this scenario when you killed these guys and then got back in the canoe mamir would say anyways brother what I was saying was and then just launch back into the story it's uh I don't think they counted here because as soon as this fight's over we're gonna be doing the big Tia scene you know to put yeah stuff after it now is a bit out of order you should have taken the spear did yourself no I've objured all violence but you're the God of War I left that behind long ago if Odin starts Ragnarok you really wouldn't fight not even if I wish to before we go any further the truth what is it you want from me you speak of Ragnarok is it a God of War you can't just find is that the tear you need I forgive me that I am grateful for my freedom but if you want me to follow you to war s yet lead you to it kill me now my fight is gone damage is done no one's killing you brother better that than to live to see Ragnarok we did not seek war doesn't matter the Giants trusted you that's the tear we need we need you [Music] all I ask is for a good night's rest you killed the guards bringing me dinner perhaps now you'd like to finish the story the sons of Thor attacked us we killed them baldu tried to kill freyja I killed him but you skipped over how he fought and freed the Valkyries and that the Giants are all gone and now they call me Loki and finding the shrines are gone and we got to yell in time they were all dead dead do you think Odin we do not know we have not be a huge deal to tear big old friends with the Giants and uh and the fact that they've managed to come around on sort of maybe you can't hit things but you can still uh still help us with advice and insight which is one of the main things that uh atreus seemed to be interested in from here in the first place so you know it's not all a huge loss or anything and hey we stopped a guy from getting tortured by Odin so that's a good thing that's pretty neat yeah I'm a fan of that I think we're getting out of piano a moment too soon whoa what are those reinforcements from Asgard the ain't where you are will want to investigate my disappearance thoroughly and I mean I'm gonna say it now because I said it on my streams just like well you know what it's kind of weird that he managed to escape as easily as he did uh um because you'd think there'd be a lot more in her yard there a lot more reinforcements than they would have come in faster too but there was like it was mainly just cave creatures the ain't Harry are you fought like a couple of them it's the only argument you could really make is that his location was supposed to be a secret but even still seems still too easier but fair enough Kenobi defense that there that no one would be stupid enough to try and free tier we don't have to worry about it we don't have to worry about defending it guys everyone knows that if you free tiered the Acer show up so no one was stupid enough to do it therefore the Acer don't care yeah I agree are they using the sky to travel between rounds oh it didn't drop tricks off his sleeve we haven't gave up against him coming down on neitherville too will the dwarves be okay we must leave now Lord here you're really alive am I I wonder okay he's just tired okay Cindy doesn't know what's good like he's like oh we're doing some heavy stuff okay I don't know [Music] however you feel very nice oh yeah I promised him some food and a room to rest in ah of course you did please so tear sounds like promises were made let's see about getting it settled shall we if you'll follow me so that's what's left a tear huh Back Where I Come From we'd say he's been through so have we all well ain't you philosophical what are you thinking brother something I am thinking I want things to be the way they were wow I'd like to claim it to you again sat on ships of sailed the horrors of cybernetics yeah I just wish atreus will not Sue Restless I care only for your safety I know brother but one thing I'm too tight won't keep him out of danger the lad's determined to make a few mistakes of his own and I hate to say it I think tear might be one of them I've never seen a man broken so completely I agree with mimiatia might be a mistake yeah but I guess maybe we'll find out who knows yeah and also kratosa's willingness to sort of confide in the mirror shows you know that they're very familiar with one another I quite like the what the bishop showed up but it was like uh speak with mamir or something like old confer with mamir I was just like ah sweet like that we're actually going to be like so about those events today what are we thinking definitely a part of the story he's not just being he's not just a a head that's super passive in that sense yeah he's definitely a character someone who adds comedy uh he's they've integrated him a lot more yeah well he makes you he's got a character that makes you feel bad when you think of uh when you're playing this game and Kratos is with whatever party member he's with and you say oh yeah the two of them are off adventuring and you forget about mirror there the whole time you know you feel bad because he's a you know a proper character and everything he's no less a person just because he doesn't have a body sort of thing yep well I I think an interesting way to look at it is who is kratos's best friend and you got to think if your first instinct is to say atreus it's like well but atres is his son so assuming you can't be uh the best friend of your child who is his best friend and then you gotta think yeah I mean it's my mirror isn't it I would hope most people would answer a mirror at this point yeah yeah like it's really not there's no other candidate threat expect too much all right perhaps pretty Freya still wants to kill you that's an ally we could use that is not an option I suppose it is I feel like Chris definitely would have heard that yeah although interesting that Kratos immediately says like oh you expect too much of tear like he just was just broken out like he has an understanding the tears uh I've gone through the ringer yeah it's like I think his first reaction was like why are you so pathetic but then at this point he's already realizing like because not everyone's gonna be able to deal with it like you do exactly yeah but um yeah it's so crazy how many [ __ ] characters have been through the same thing like you know none of them can outdo each other in terms of suffering really it's like oh yeah I suffered the bows like well did you have you been talking for a thousand years whatever there's like yes if you was like yeah oh wow 1001 actually yeah okay you cannot sneak up on me like that there's something I have to do in midgar I thought we were Partners we are just wasn't sure you'd want to join me I'm visiting an old friend oh I or possibly not doing that taking into account she's determined to murder you everything Cindy says in this game is so on point it really is he's a very sensible person to have around he's definitely yeah he's that that voice of playing it safe reason and he seems to have gone from in the first game it was like so you're gonna do something stupid he'd be like oh well you know maybe don't do that because this maybe could happen now he seems to be taking more of an active role being like what are you doing idiot stop so I mean it's the simple fact that he's invested in these people now yeah they're more familiar yeah he doesn't want them to get hurt really oh look I think it's lovely that you see the best in people I really do and I want you to continue to see the best in people by not getting yourself murdered but we need her it it really does have that he who fights and runs away lives to fight another day energy or the scene yeah yeah oh yeah he's like yeah easy Staying Alive is really really important it allows for many things to you know let's let's not do this kid you know there's a lot of dialogue in throughout the game sindri will often just advise like maybe we go the path of least resistance hiding and safety yeah it's worth the risk which is I would argue kind of indicative of like what happened to the dwarves basically they uh as a race compared to the other Realms right they're the least ravaged and destroyed realm but they're also the most under the thumb of Odin yeah yeah can you believe it yeah just an alternative something much less risky but maybe could give you some answers what are you talking about a certain old Motif ah I hear another one sir he had a motif the sun's path right is the yes yeah that's the song very giant friend johman gander did you find him why don't I show you it's just on the way to the vengeful goddess who wants you dead so it'll give us some time to decide about not going there so you know where Frey is no no I mean yes but look let's just talk to the snake first and then I won't take you to Freya I won't take you to it look I'm showing you my hand but I'm telling you it's gonna work that payoff is so [ __ ] great like yeah this is good not so easy huh I'll hit him up once so father said I cast a spell when Fenway died magical bow it's fine shut up I know it's I know I know it's fine it's just so you're completely right I think the moment where they're trying to establish that hey this bow is it's not a normal bow It's Magic whatever anything weird like that happens you just have to say It's Magic shut up okay every time Brock and surgery hit something once with a hammered it changes its properties entirely it's like it's magic yeah I know what he's talking about magic that is disquieting accidental Magic's not all sort of turned into a bear a bear it's under the umbrella yeah and I lost control Frey knows magic better than anyone she could help me but not giant Magic it's fun we'll do it which is interesting I don't even know what is what even is giant magic the wow all sorts of things Magic's magic it's funny because uh we we get told in this game we did the Vania learn their magic from they actually answered that in Ironwood do it your way then sin a huge venomous snake seems much safer it's venomous you can fix it can't you or does your brother have all the talent after all depends is your father all the muscle if I say yes you realize you're confirming Brock has all the talent damn it why are you worrying so much I just need to look out for the people I care about keeps bad things from happening to them Freya wouldn't kill me Norman gander is probably not even there besides he likes me he's only eating me once I had conveniently scrubbed that from my memory he has already become clear it's like this Dynamic of having not Kratos just means that we can open up some other things like cindery's getting a lot right now yeah it's uh we might because I guess we'll be because there's a few of these segments um to come they like the atreus sections seem to be the part of the game that's getting a lot of flack yes we'll be talking a lot about that soon enough yeah well yeah but but it's like you've highlighted one of the benefits of having atreyus sections is opportunities to deliver certain uh story moments that would be impossible if it was Kratos yeah you can't have I I I I I think I prefer to I guess delve into that in a later segment actually specifically like the part that strikes me as the very clear benefit of these sections oh absolutely yeah it's very relatable but you know especially when you're growing up if you're a you know a young lad a boy if you will like you're not the same around your dad then exactly with your friends you know especially if your dad is Kratos a Spartan right I mean all this discipline and everything he's like oh yeah yeah I'm probably yeah it's gonna get out of line there's no big joking with uh with that kind of Dad there is that definitely his perspective and how it differs from Kratos but the other one is he can interact with characters who Kratos like he just can't narratively when I say Khan I mean if you want to actually write the story properly right like how without referencing any specific Parts how many times can Kratos and Thor have a conversation that doesn't end in a confrontation that ends with one of them dead right yeah yeah like how often can that yeah it's not even just the fact that the tone of the conversation is difficult to lead to a particular way but they just the reason for them to meet up and not hurt each other is going to be difficult to write everything compared to the opportunities that are available with the trash because of his more direct connection to the north side of the story that's not weird at all you see that he gesture to his eyes because they glow yeah he does that I just like that as a detail because I didn't even notice both of these things Nick foreign I do like Mr yomi he's cool I like him a lot this is jormanheimer he's a good snake he is he saved him at the end of 2018. yeah oh bye Theo goodbye oh just when the choir pops up he hasn't said anything I hope he assures it into that thing or something I don't know [Music] there are videos online of slowing down or speeding up or changing the pitch of his voice to try and tell not only what he's saying but to see how close to Kratos it sounds to see if like there were theories right the the sound design on big snake is is incredible like it's it really sounds like an ancient being yeah I like it a lot yeah it really sounds like they took kratos's voice and scaled it up oh boy subtitles ready yeah it's really helpful I think it's to confirm that you're not supposed to get subtitles for euromingander that's probably one thing that it helps with well we can like vaguely understand it for atroos but for his it's just too incomprehensible or no I mean like if people are wondering just like should is he speaking in a way that I should understand him but the way that his voice is presented like does it just make it difficult and I'm missing it when I shouldn't be missing it by having the subtitles explicitly not on the big snake it's it's confirmation of no you're you're not supposed to like understand him yourself uh whereas we give you subtitles or when Loki speaks what is that that's all you're gonna say I got a big snack things to do and I got more sleep to have good talk Ironwood what do you think it means foreign let's head back so what was your plan anyway just stroll up to the old Valkyrie Council Circle and hope freya's in a good mood well now that I know where she is yeah exactly what I'm gonna do [ __ ] a bit of a clunk but it speeds up what is inevitable obviously atreus is most likely going to try Turtle house and probably the valkyrie Circle I don't see why you wouldn't but you just want to speed it up I think you could have written that a little better yeah that's fair well now that I know where she is yeah exactly what I'm gonna do oh that was marker paused what's up yeah I saw it sorry I said it tell us you're inside huh in all honesty it was my chihuahua I see oh of course blame the dog yeah yeah kind of [ __ ] up you'd blame him I put a little innocent animal like that but all right yeah you could just not press the pause button racist we had no choice I'm not sure she sees it that way well I'm not gonna ask her besides they were your arrows you're absolutely right which is exactly why I'm recommending we don't do this you sure you want to go in there wearing the very arrow tip that killed her son I lied it under my shirt and besides it's a reminder to be better you need a murder weapon to be a better person it makes me feel Brave okay is that such a bad thing when it leads you to believe you can convince Freya of anything yes it is I have to try are you sure this is a good idea you haven't got a plan Brock says some people run better on chaos I think he's right what makes you think that applies here this is life and death and this is Ragnarok we can't just do nothing and we're out of options living is an option I wonder what Mom would do why don't you trust her why won't you tell me hello down there hey come to your senses yet yes I mean uh I'm not changing my mind ha you do have doubts like you never do I spared him on this recording I was about to ask what your choice you were gonna make because you know what he doesn't deserve to have a throw balls known in him known at him yeah no no better than having regrets I'm not sure I agree with that but by all means keep going and you might find those too you should have stayed with Cindy yeah wait stop your father where is he not here she sent you no he doesn't know he took my son what makes you think I won't do the same you're better than this laughs [Music] you would stake your life on it what do you know the answer that is yes by the way that's uh and I don't mean that I don't mean that as a joke uh atreus the setup throughout all the 2018 like his thing is to be able to sense a sense of uh what a person is what they want what what they intend and stuff he and you know he's criticized I think several times by different people for you see the best in people he sees something that is there it's just not always something that comes out but that's why he feels so encouraged and confident to talk to people who everyone else is like what the [ __ ] you doing talking to them um but the thing is gets him gets him access to things where a lot of people wouldn't have expected it because he he has like a clairvoyancy almost for that it's a part of his God powers he almost comes across in a certain way as a foil to Heimdall who has similar kind of you know it's similar-ish ability and but who's grown incredibly cynical from it yes with me I know you haven't killed me yet so while you're thinking it over why don't you let me go and I can tell you why I can't oh [ __ ] you're right where are all the Christmas pfps we're in the third [ __ ] oh God you're right oh uh uh uh everybody panic yeah I was gonna work on it but I forgot I don't think it doesn't let you switch avatars do ring stream or at least I'd have to do it with like a laptop or whatever but suddenly Christmas full bat and I'm trying to fix the [ __ ] Discord oh my God oh my God it's ruined well packaded boys we gotta go back to the beginning oh fuckle yes just did they go uh we're all chunky now too God damn it uh uh [Music] see now we're in Christmas mode but we don't have Christmas avatars or at least I don't I'm guessing you guys will gradually switch balls jingle balls jingle jingle jingle jingle of the code Santa crumbles the not Halloween remember this time Santa Claus uh snow except for fringy the mistletoe stuffed uh bread yeah he needs it got a freezer right for you why I want to create it and then what to create a snowy winter for me in this very hot country that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying by the way and it's I don't know man like if it is I when people tell me like oh yeah Summer's great it I don't understand I don't get it yes it's very hot all of the grass is dead like it's yeah it's unlike winter ah it's just I don't know man like it's it gets so hot sometimes it feels like your eyes are burning not good have you considered wearing like sunglasses I it's it's because like I don't know how often have you like 40 plus degrees Celsius obviously I don't know what I don't know what that is and and weird American units what what is it what is 40 degrees well I'm in Arkansas so it gets very hot and humid here yeah it doesn't get humid here it gets the hot and dry uh I have I've been out to the Arizona deserts though so I know I know the feeling it's definitely not for everybody I don't know man like because because of course for people like oh yeah nice sunny day what they're thinking of is spring when it's a nice sunny day in Spring sun's out not many clouds in the sky everything's nice and green um all the animals are nice and happy because it's it's nice chill weather and it's warm sure but it's not like you know it's it's a nice warm it's not like getting hot and sweaty good I don't know it's just I don't like summer I don't like it Autumn's pretty cool Winter's pretty cool I like spring but summer no thanks how cold does it get in your winter though uh not very like like yeah I'm Canadian man yeah that's the thing I hear that like winter is really [ __ ] in uh in like a city that's cold because of just the amount of uh hassle that it creates no just I mean mostly like seriously winter wouldn't be so bad if you don't drive but if you drive right man winter winter changes everything when you drive because of the snow and the ice and the yeah ah yeah and other people who don't know how to drive on snow and ice I just I don't know I don't I don't understand how like it's it 40 plus degrees is like it's like in a front you know it's no it's not it's not nice it's it's terrible it's just like it's just everything Burns you know like everything Everything Burns everything but oh my goodness it's like Joker said Everything Burns except instead of money it's like the air itself is like so hot I don't know and especially because you talk about how like inconvenient it is to drive when it's cold I don't know man getting into a car that's really hot the steering wheel Burns yeah yeah absolutely it's a necessity when it gets that hot it's still hot though it's still burnt you can lower the windows yeah not just the part that you're starting out in after you always have more for you the eternal Summer That Never Ends I just I don't know I don't like it the eternal Summer That Never Ends yep I definitely prefer summer I got a convertible I got I got no snow on the road no ice on the road I got my rear wheel drive I'm I'm I'm I'm driving around having a gale time I got my sunglasses on my hair is blowing in the wind I got my tongue sticking out and I'm just I'm just having oh it's great I love me the I love me some summertime driving all around the countryside past the ball use and the swamp and uh the little rural towns get off the highway you're gonna tell me that you actually like it when it's like above 100 degrees Fahrenheit that that you you'd enjoy that weather you like it no let me finish my let me let me finish my my okay noise so in the same way I like snow and ice but not every day I like 100 degrees plus but not every day you know I [ __ ] hate it every time it's I I hate it above 30 above 30 degrees really I don't like uh at all but it's like once it gets above 35 degrees God that's awful especially when it's like that the whole day it's like oh what's the time eight o'clock wow and Everything Burns already I love it it's great you are um uh you know be careful now holy [ __ ] right here they can ban you for slaves remember what Kratos said Rags Panic does nothing okay and you're panicking this is definitely what I'm doing honest Chad is right I'm a based heat enjoyer oh [ __ ] just go to the beach problem solved here's the problem doesn't like the sand do you know what extreme heat is Chad this heat and then there's that kind of heat yeah that's everything above 25 degrees that's extreme heat yeah yeah if you walk on that sand like yeah exactly it burns I said Everything Burns all right like like the steering wheel the steering wheel of life you gotta put that sun shield on your uh uh your window yes sometimes it's not enough Rags stick it on there and you're good to go maybe if you haven't maybe if you have weak girly hands you could get some padding to put on the wheel drive and touch it right you know that like a lot of Doggers get that like walking on on like pavement when it gets really hot it's not good for their little paws when dogs have to walk on the pavement I'm looking at it sometimes but you're not huh not me I'm a based heat enjoyer it gives me strength I'm like the fire God I'm like Arcanine gives me strength and Powers me up I don't think I'm a fire God then you eat children or something fire dog just rearrange the letters oh yeah my dogs are more or less okay with it and they're total [ __ ] which doesn't make sense so anyway this is a video game if you guys want to talk about it oh yeah that's right absolutely yes so speaking of speaking of winter people your father save your breath his fate is sealed but you know who's to blame for everything I cannot get to Odin nor do I need to Ragnarok will take him yeah well what if I told you that he came to midgard he came to us offered peace if we don't move against him claims ragnarok's already been averted he lies Maybe but if you know girls prophecies you know it depends on an army of giants the Giants wait for war in yotenheim no I've been there is no giant army there are no Giants at all just me you and yodenheim you learn the truth my mother was the last guardian of our people in midgard and and that's not all the Giants have prophecies about me they know me as Loki I think maybe I'm supposed to help stop Odin somehow but since all the Giants are dead and you won't fight Odin and he's already won [Music] why are we working together now that you can fight again I am far from home okay Caroline it's hard okay what we found here maybe if you spoke to him tears alive yeah we we broke him out of sort of farm impossible the nine Realms are closed to all no we opened up the way we just don't know where to go next but if we all band together enough leave this place go and do not return go before I change my mind do not expect the same Mercy for your father so that's pretty good that scene is bright yeah very bright uh because Freya is a great character a very very very good character the whole impression that you get with that seat is that atreus is basically starting to convince her yeah they should actually work together and she just will not allow herself to be convinced to do that she because she realizes that she's actually starting to get convinced she just wants to she wants to kill Kratos and she don't want anybody to give her a reason not to it's um it's probably so not safe for Leia but there's a reason she's on the path she's on there's a lot of components but those components are actually starting to be worn away and so it's going to start yeah it's making you wonder why you're on the path you're on yeah exactly you couldn't tell now that she has all this new information she's definitely considering to do something else uh yeah it's like this new information so now it's just going back to the drawing bar it's like okay what can I do with that yeah and she's she was so confident that ragnarok's Gonna Knock Out Odin but um butres is trying to say like it seems that there may be some additional action needed from several other actors yep as well as realm travel being open and here being alive seemed like big shocks to her yeah big row of sharks big Revelations like oh [ __ ] that might change some things but now please go away before I decide to kill you get up but are we telling your dad about this since you've come clean and all no way what's up he'd kill you right well speaking of coming clean I need your opinion on something I've kept from my brother for a long time long before you were born there was an accident at the forge Rock died I couldn't accept it I went to the lake of souls in alfheim to steal him back Legions of souls tried to stop me I can still feel them crawling all over my skin thing is I could only get three of his four Soul Parts back Sandra Brock just thought he got knocked out I've been lying to him ever since it's been eating at me lately you have to tell him he has the right to know when the time is right as should you with your father that's not the same thing you saved Brock's life I cause trouble no I made a choice one that wasn't mine to make I I couldn't be alone so um gravity was complete this game oh [ __ ] this scene yeah different seeing it a lot of people when they go through this the first time which is all we're going to be talking about it for for now you're sort of like oh is this setting up like we're gonna have a bit of a bit of tension between the two uh black blacksmiths and we'll probably have a side quest to alpharm to get that last pit of the Soul oh one's blue and one's white but I think we both said that right yeah yeah I think it seemed like the most obvious thing so that'll be neat to do when we get to it yeah absolutely the other dwarves when they saw them they shunned us so we left made our own home well you can't change the past but it doesn't have to be who you are let's go home before father wakes up that might be the best idea you've had all night Trey Trey it's an shut up cringe so I'm not allowed to give you a nickname is that what that was whatever Loke Mueller what's what's my nickname what that you gave me what is rackleton obviously oh okay that's fair enough and um that's a pretty good one as far as I go that's a pretty good one just said Loke yeah frankelheimer's liking that one mm-hmm yeah nope how that was worse I heard it when I said it all right shall we after tear was such a failure just wanted to hang on little yotin tear may not be everything you expected but a failure you saved him from a terrible fate that's not nothing and hey maybe he'll be some help to us yet maybe father's not going to go along with this forever probably already got our next hiding place all picked out well let's not make it worse by getting caught that is enough to wish that concerns me yeah cinder's a good lad it's kind of the point yeah injuries are really good they do a great job having him warm up to you or have any warm up to him very quickly yeah and you can tell they he he and the trails have become like Bros uh quite quite some similar how uh Kratos and mimir have become Bros over time yeah this is uh potentially a large amount of time that atreus and syndra spent together he calls him sin because as we know they were looking for tear together apparently who knows what kind of shenanigans they were up to this whole time the path they would put us trust their wisdom and this is the closest thing to hearing directly from them you are certain the Giants will not cause a war I said that they were wise in my experience that goes with being peaceful oh little brother told you we didn't know what I mean where have you been peeing hope you're all hungry I could eat like my boy can piss but it's such a like um it's like all right ladders it's one of those ones where it's like that's good enough I guess is a reason it's like there's a weirdly long P I don't know all right you could say I took a giant shed and as well rested as I am be right down [Music] your battle buddy examine your prostate is this sausage uh I don't know if you're picking it up but uh here is sitting in cindery's space that's why cindery's like hey okay sure why not so you just sit down did you see that fine I will sit here yeah I just like they sit there and have food and talk it's great that's neat it's awesome [Music] I remember food tasting better I suppose you'd like to try cooking for this one twice [Laughter] what joyous who are planning on next move oh so where are we going oh five I'm with the elves how fun you hate alphon why would he move there who's there oh we are seeking information the shrine of growing never live among the elves grow up the knowledge keeper it is fun though because like a trace is so certain that craters will do everything he can to just stay away from any and all conflict that he's like moved to alzheimer's room yeah a crit is just so baffled like why the [ __ ] would I move that yeah we just said I hate it there oh maybe there's a secret dragon a lot of people there bye and we know how it is you know everything oh no that's a joke I wasn't sure you um never mind that's great I'll find hey don't go forgetting this world will get you there yeah that's right girls [Music] I don't even sure entirely will have it I think it's like a pot of Brock's food went into surgery soup like really I didn't yeah keep an eye on it yeah it looks great I'm fine hey don't go forgetting this world will get you there [Laughter] you know what I'm gonna build a bigger table I'm gonna build skin driven nuts so upset about it more for me the soup made him loud yeah off to alfheim then here you're really up for coming with us I am whenever you're ready well whenever your father's ready I should say if my counsel might help you see him over there eating soup with a knife crazy person plus truly a guy I think it will do me well to see the light of alfheim again all part of the training because you do series it's like it's just a series of chopped up sausage maybe didn't want the soup it's more of a it's more of a stew it's probably not because I I can relate with that because I don't really care for soup that much but I'm a stew guy I'm a skewer yeah I like to do like guys called Stewart damn it we're faster I'm I don't have any strong opinions on people named Stuart or at least people named Stuart but if they're if they're mice named Stuart then um vehemently it doesn't make a difference of the Stuart s-t-e-w-a-r wait wait hold on yes do it like Stuart Little yeah yeah well you could do either well I I guess and also there's on the on the topic of Stu specifically does that inform your perspective on the CR the if there is a a more correct spelling of uh Stewart um not really that doesn't really that doesn't change it for me no that's good I'm glad you recognized that yeah I mean it's not the spelling but it's important it's their uh it's their race uh obviously the mouse of course you know if someone's a mouse that's a big this is a big deal you know it's a big deal to be uh to be a master a big deal in his own way yeah little man in a big deal yeah and also Steward of Gondor uh he wasn't too great uh he was a little you know a little kooky after the brain spaced but yeah you know Stuart Little's dad was Hugh Laurie yeah that's right how about that yeah that was happening that was before he became house was before he injured his I can't remember why does house walk with a cane did he did was there like an accident or was it he tripped over Stuart Little and he fell oh I remember oh God that's horrible oh God no Stuart it is it's lupus true yeah I got it oh Hades nuts before he became any White House yes also uh friendly chatter they mentioned I can't confirm this I'm just gonna say it as though it's true the cups they they've got on the table I mean I could confirm it but I can't right now cups to go on the table the cups you collected in uh a mission for the Dwarven cups I think in the previous game amen yeah not to mention um I can't remember the people who brought these things up but uh the the hammer that Brock is using is and vari's Hammer that's another Quest item you got in the first game yeah actually all the artifacts you collect in this game they go into like a shelf uh between you and craters and the trailers rooms I think oh that's what because I was gonna say um I started bringing a picture of it the um the poem you collect from here um about uh uh Astros playroom you can tell from the book cover that that's what it is I think you can see it on the yeah itself pretty cool I'm pretty sure the other other artifacts go there as well that's the that's the one I mean but yeah I saw that randomly it's like oh that's neat I like that good [ __ ] good [ __ ] hell yeah brother wow mamia sounds different so where did this plan come from I knew what happened by the way you told me how far how long have we spelled this tree but have been like I'm thinking two hours before it's been four yeah oh wow Christ oh from are you done in 16 hours then yeah yeah yes I was merely asking how you found me and he explained the secret prophecies inside the yodnar shrines fascinating from there I'll be sent to taking stock of which shrines we'd seen at which point your father recalled finding drawers outside the Temple of Light and now that we can actually go to alfheim The Prudent course of action became self-evident nearly a last step for the world's smartest man even without feet if you'll forgive the levity I was always fond of her talks you know I and it's good to see you a free man again old friend I mean we'd have more to say if it would later on the game that's all right later on in the game so um right um one of the things like this we're bringing up is that tier is a huge well of knowledge about the Giants and it's curious we've not got more conversations about that yet these clothes do better than I deserve darn straight and never mind what Brock had to trade the landlord to get that interest you'll see for you the landlord the landlord uh okay he really did it dear really slept in my broom closet ready for you tall Godly sorts or just the ones locked up for a lifetime or two mind if I take a little peek at you I promise yeah I [ __ ] love it I don't mean it's so funny fella capable of an astounding variety Oscar acts of violence I imagine what is happening what has happened it's just such a like because obviously he's not hostile but he's still weird what's happening the animation always fantastic it feels like a bit Looney Tunes inspired like he's just bouncing around yeah I'm gonna wait for a better pause screen and then we can talk about his design pardon the intrusion foreign ah yes Amber resin delightfully nutty with a hint of squidding there you go perfect pause screen yeah awesome who did that little fella he's a very confident little squirrel hey look at the design is excellent oh yeah it's so good so [ __ ] exuberant of characteristics he's immediately like eye-catching and engaging it's just like what is this guy's deal holy [ __ ] you've got it right you've got the part yes that's it you got it yes we will likely come across it in this stream yes [Laughter] um but yeah I love the voice it's fantastic and it's very well yes again easy foil for Kratos just the the fact he's just highlighted like it's kind of a nice taste to this thing that offers it back because it's like the [ __ ] what do you want me to do lick it I'm not gonna do that lick it lick the nut no not one for gastronomic exploration I see wait hold on if you run a tasker why are you so different when we summon you for help it's a long story you are correct I am indeed ratatosker the one you know as Reddit Oscar is merely one of my spectral aspects and the particularly nasty one at that I consider him so far removed from myself that he's practically a different person fun fact if you're ever in trouble with your parents this excuse Works 100 of the time give it a try you won't regret well that you met a different version of me that wasn't that wasn't me you see oh no no no no oh no mm-hmm bitter would you like to come out and see your friends [ __ ] off I'm busy you see the little reaction you had like yeah oppose that was to be expected anyway now that I polished off all these [ __ ] craters it's like what is this why do I have to deal with this [ __ ] all the time spreading for you would you like the seed back indeed a seed of idrisil to be precise since my Dwarven tenants performed a little reconfiguration you'll need seeds like these to open up new destinations on my tree huh yes my tree I feel like he says I was a little bit of Pride because he takes care of it yeah yeah that's mine how many world trees do you have clearly you have important matters of food yeah so uh something happened here perhaps as we traveled up in someone else's world tree T poses to elaborate okay okay it's your no I gotta go to t-pose on Odin sure I can oh yeah I threw this head because I didn't think this was possible you read this puzzle right well uh yeah there's a line of dialogue from Amir where he's like oh uh you can't get it from down here go up you know and then when you get it credits is like good eye for noting that there's a there's a platform there but I got it from down here I was like oh okay oh you can oh yeah if I just roll it back I was surprised I already did it for me just to like try it out but like look at the distance of the uh we travel you can tell me the tale of your prior visit to the land of the elves sure I can be like I got it at the top of it too nice well it's not even I don't think it was supposed to happen like yeah no like it's like I I would not have expected that to work uh because yeah it's like I said there's dialogue for not getting it from this direction but oh well I guess I don't need that dial I was expecting it to be like oh nice but no it's just I don't think I mean you you have a tendency to do things like they're not supposed to so that's fine that yeah I thought the the the the the the the alphine desert wood I think that was pretty great like I I accessed the loot for completing a whole area before yeah like just the opposite way I was just like oh cool then people like I don't think he's supposed to be nope the last room bothered returning realm oh what's going on here who's [ __ ] around what's going on here Mark yeah I am totally I do not even have to watch to get the window select sure 100 off me this time guys no I assume the fate of his own realm took precedence wait try his brother yes Cut From a Different Cloth that one freya's brother how was he involved long ago fear of the Vania traveled to alfheim where he discovered a once beautiful land devastated by War using his Divine Powers he set about cultivating a tenuous peace among the elves did you mention how that peace fell apart as soon as he left I was getting to it you hear that oh no that's enough please you don't need to do this we don't want to hurt you there are there are some additional things there are things I'm skipping over in this that we are going into raise at another time don't you worry they're ah okay once we get far enough in this I'll start going back in terms of comparing lines also just other plans we're on a Ragnarok right now it's gonna take a while uh it's gonna be at least two weeks so buckle in buckaroos foreign of course making the light unstable um it's worth mentioning though of course that you've got a distinct vibe there was telling the story of Freya it was quite positive and happy and wholesome and and it says that Freya is a pretty awesome dude he used his power to make peace and tear is like super cynical about it like yeah do you tell him what happened next like gee um what's cool is we get another a telling of how Freya made that piece at a different point in the game I'm not sure it'll be in this playthrough because that's part of a um a side mission I think right it's with Freya actually well that's the lake of souls yes after the creation of the nine Realms Fallen Souls began to gather down the nose Waters when the elves discovered its potential they built this Temple to harness that energy a smashing success to say the least many of them became addicted to their Newfound power and thus the light elves were born speaking of light elves let me try talking to them again it's just to let these two do their thing brother more light elves ahead I'll handle this uh maybe that's not a great idea oh there friends salutations we mean you no harm well I think it's funny about that clip is it makes it look like tea is like Hello everybody with friends that atreus just shoots one in the chest the thing is you cocked it up I thought I I was debating with her I should leave it but it's just like they've already fired like a big old projectile atrey at that point laughs I suppose I'll leave you to it oh wow that was violent here they come do what you must be I think it's pretty obvious what's happened over time there with um yeah yeah and this is a comparison of the music that plays when you're in alfome in the first game into the second game [Music] feel like it's relatively suitable for darkness is light yeah yeah [Music] hey Theo you okay let's quiet yeah I'm good stop screaming hit the button yeah I'm good foreign would you say um well anybody here do you feel I think well metal you might be the only person I can ask right now but soundtrack comparison of the first or second oh I mean I think I'll go with the second one I think I would personally uh I mean they're both pretty darn great but I know Ragnarok one has uh has like something that's just like even better [Music] I think he um as someone who's not musically trained it feels like there's more layers and detail to the Ragnarok soundtrack and variety would make sense considering he's built upon his 2018 soundtrack that's what I was going to say it feels like he's developed uh a lot of the ideas that he had in the original and well in 2018 yeah and as was mentioned here the boulder theme is [ __ ] awesome and is not present in this obviously of course at least I don't think it is it might be for all I know I don't remember it I don't remember it either [Music] yeah oh it's so [ __ ] good I remember uh I remember gushing over this when I was watching it with Rags because I noticed it then uh where it's the war part the the light Elf theme is going going hard and it's clashing with the dark elf one because this is the big war and then [ __ ] kratos's theme comes in like that yeah oh over rather just the vocals it uh such a big old combination [Music] rings of power doesn't have anything close I just said this is the the alphabe theme it's not exactly gonna be like how do I say this like it's not as important as many other themes I what kind of sentence is the the lower strings sound like they're playing almost a totally different song than the upper strings like the the kind of violins and violas are playing one thing in the cellos and bases are playing something else but it it fits well enough because it's almost like the the higher end stuff is almost exactly double time so it fits with the rhythm of the slower deeper stuff that sounds like the kind of I don't know dark elf themes that they're bringing into the music I tried to sort of represent it kind of visually but the more you go through the game the faster and heavier the lighthouse theme gets which to me is indicative of how the dark elves become more important as you go along it by the because you're destroying all the light crystals and you're not exactly creating a balance or anything but the dark elves sees an opportunity to attack when you've gone through and yeah the light elves yourselves which yeah I don't know it just seems kind of Genius very much inspired and uh for anybody who's like why are you attacking uh rings of power randomly it's like same Creator same guy who made this yeah I'm composer I don't feel like I'm attacking him so much as highlighting he just look at the power he has why like yeah I've been working him on them both at the same time surely there's a good chance that would be the case yeah because it would have been a long long bit of work uh I don't know just feels like rings of power wasn't as um maybe maybe if we were to listen to rings of power over and over again and look at everything part of it is this no storytelling [ __ ] to to even interpret a lot of the time because rings of power is so [ __ ] dull and thin that's the thing it's like what what are the other creatives involved with the project giving him to write the score around like what what what's the inspiration that the music composer is given in order to you know like help have his music evoke the correct emotion for the scene that's going on at the time and if they're just like I don't know um like this Aragorn looking guy like he saw on but we're not going to say Sauron right away but he's mysterious you must have known he could waste his time on rings of power it's like I don't know man he might have been he might have thought it was it was worthwhile but like I guess maybe it was like I said maybe it was just a paycheck maybe he's a Lord of the Rings fan no he would have been better if he has a Lord of the Rings fan no well I mean both of those things alone it's like okay Amazon is going to give you a paycheck in order to write music for Lord of the Rings on paper like when you're in the negotiation for that you've got to be thinking well I mean I've got to do it right maybe he only performed as much as they were going to give him like so maybe they gave him enough to do it but it wasn't like oh they're not really paying me that much so you know you get what you give sort of thing maybe he didn't like the idea that they were doing Lord of the Rings like well I think they he was actually pretty Pro rings of power I'm pretty sure he defended it pretty vehemently uh for him and words you know which one I mean yeah on on social media I think sorry well I mean that kind of you can bring the argument then to the unconscious and unconscious it's like well yeah I mean you could say that you you gave everything you had for rings of power but us just listening to the music that you created for both of those things let's put it this way clearly I'm sorry while making one of them to stand from a bit more may well have just been that the time constraints for rings of power or the the uh how involved he was in like the production itself might be a factor I know that um Marty O'Donnell was in-house for Halo which he felt made it uh easier for him to understand what the uh what the game was about like what the moments would be and sort of working with the developers to ensure that the music was really complementing the game I I mean he is an in-house for Santa Monica uh but maybe they they just maybe how they allowed him to work which is better for him yeah maybe we had music that was more uh deeply connected to the storytelling on top of other things like that there was a story film to actually latch onto characters thematic through lines operation available to him that may well not have been present at all this might be um I wouldn't fault you for not being able to identify in rings of power I I obviously I went through all of rings of power twice uh to make sure we had coverage I thought was very much accurate and so you know I'm saying this not just from casual perspective but when you're like oh make a theme for when they second time visit all times like well first thing he does is look at the old one and see if it's a matter of taking that one and adding to it or changing it according to what you think the vibe is of this one dark and light is already offering you a big old chance in terms of how you can represent that in the in the music secondly it's like what are the events like well they're going through this place and gradually destroying the light elves control over it because they need to get access to the light and that there's loads of locked doors on it so you're just throwing the crystals so I feel like the music is gradually more chaotic as it progresses and then of course this big war at the end as you're trying to leave it's like this pretty easy for him to them Clash the two together and to involve other themes he's got going in the in the song already meanwhile I was like make a theme for the dwarves it's like okay in rings of power so it's like make a theme for the tools like what have I got to work was like well uh they they mine um uh is it kind of difficult actually because like the whole plot line is bizarre for any character you choose in rings of power just like what are you what are you gonna do and it's like because the funny thing is I picked that one because I actually kind of liked the Dwarven theme he had in in rings of power but not for any other reason that it's like I kind of like the sound I can't really speak to it much more than that and I'm sure he could I'm sure he'd have more to say about it considering he composed it but I don't know just from a from a spectator it just seems like you have so much more to work with to inspire musical choices from the story in this than you would in rings of power yeah I mean fundamentally it feels like he had more to say through his music here yeah and as was mentioned in chat um way more there is a song that was made by him and uh I want to say hoisier Hosier there's a this is Bossier Bossier maybe yeah he's a big old artist um blood upon the snow which is supposed to be like a main song for this game and if you you can watch a video of them talking about it and they they sound incredibly invested in what the song means and this game foreign a lasting peace may have formed but now can we really place all the blame on freyr this war started long before his arrival but he had the power to heal this land and end the war did he not he made his choice the wrong one but I'll find perhaps but not necessarily for him well I suppose we're all entitled to walk our own paths regardless of where they end what's wrong so yeah just uh big words from tears condemning the [ __ ] out of Freya for not doing everything he could to maintain a peace in our foam pretty straightforward he considers himself quite the Diplomat he doesn't like that other people aren't taking more action to cause peace where they can perhaps there is another interpretation of that down the line who knows I say this because there are still several people who chappie like wait have they not played the game we're consciously not talking about stuff that happens later on yes I could hear mothers but I can't anymore United by forces older than Odin himself she is at peace atreus I hope so and father went inside the light he said he went inside the light of Alpine yes and yet here you stand of sound mind and decidedly not incinerated you must tell me Kratos what did you see that memory oh great gods are built you must tell me Kratos what did you see oh tell me more it's a perfectly reasonable curiosity to have from any character okay perfectly absolutely makes a lot of sense yeah um and I like that he says that memory is for me alone as well yep yeah but I felt only moments pass wait [Music] come back no no what have you done why did you do that I waited so I pulled You Out Boy I was gone only so badass yeah it's like oh [ __ ] yeah your Kratos is good all right yeah you've been gone along time I didn't know what to do you left me here again why don't you care I can say I love the first game as well yeah facts of Elf bodies you're just like oh [ __ ] that's impossible the reason I'm showing this though is so you can see what happened what Creator said at the time and now listen to what creators remembers it as and go before they come back I hope you got what you needed didn't feel like moments to me I was trapped atreus overcame great odds to save me one could but only imagine yep well then ripped into him at the time because he didn't understand what was happening but now yeah make sure to recount it as it was which is you saved me so it's just criticism a mature [ __ ] okay he surely is huh grow his triptych awaits so did you ever meet grower many times but she was plagued by constant vision so conversation was difficult to say the least your theme yeah [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] what are you doing why I know mother's voice better than anyone it was her oh yeah speak no more of this fine father she's she's gone [Music] it does sometimes feel like college right sometimes the scene speak for themselves eh like this yeah pretty makes you appreciate that this isn't a video game isn't a video game no I say it makes you appreciate that this is in a video game oh yeah I'd love this level of Storytelling this level it would be nice to have this level storytelling at all [ __ ] films but oh wow that would be something it's almost like and why we get that next cut scene in character interaction ready for you how about you play this fun video game exactly and this the keep moving line probably more addressing himself there yeah I the end of everything so this is it there's nothing we can do to stop it there must be a way why else is this hidden look here this is what we saw it's you fighting in Ragnarok no I don't watch this then that's new foreign [Music] but the other Realms thrive [Music] she lied you are white of course she did Gordon's working off a false prophecy so then when Ragnarok we can beat Odin we we are not present in any of this but that was tear leading the charts against Asgard plus hell's Army was there and the elves champion okay whoever that is doesn't matter but for the first time we know something Odin doesn't we just saw we can win here I won't allow prophecy to Define my choices but but we just saw no atreus it's wrong [Music] there is much to discuss so yeah Tia's not taking the information well that he will have to lead a war that's that's the take on that scene that is the read that is yeah yep that sounds pretty reasonable he does not one for violence he doesn't want to be involved in wars and he's certainly not keen on just going blindly and following prophecy makes a lot of sense [Music] I it's gonna be okay for anybody who because I feel like the context lacking here he's dragging this person this way because they have embedded in the clothing crystals that when uh Nia uh like created elements of this Temple create Bridges so is using it as a light source to create the bridge that's what's Happening Here okay dear you've seen what is to come I told you I would not follow you to war and yet here I am dragging an innocent and marching towards the destruction of Asgard what choice do we have there is always a choice yes really interesting line it's an incredibly interesting line feel like we're going to see that line again much later in this uh breakdown I won't I'm not that God anymore I don't want to fight but with you three there is no avoiding it your path leads to countless deaths unimaginable pain and suffering agreed off there's just more and more references Kratos is just [ __ ] Mrs Faye big time yeah oh here it is sorry if you are ever in need of my services and I am not present I have installed these handy Chimes for you to notify me simply throw your ax and strike the Chimes and I will attend to your needs you care to take a practice throw a magnificent throw Master Kratos truly a seasoned Pro very well you know how to reach me now what else is there perhaps there was some confusion this is for calling me out here not for when I am here did you just look like hearing the sound of the time I supposedly don't sound very pretty Master cream this feels very uncharacteristic of you but if you don't enjoy the pretty child that much I will allow you to indulge oh yes you've done it well bro ah the sound of the Chimes is not unpainful at this distance [Music] already here so I you're deliberately attempting to push me into some sort of emotional Outburst aren't you well I'm not so easily swayed my good man stupid guy [Laughter] oh dear and the branch is up here while neither The Roots a delicate balance so they're friendly well they're not nearly so affable as myself but there's no reason to expect hostility so long as they're left in peace neathog is a Stern matriarch as protective of her Offspring as she is determined to teach them proper discipline that sounds familiar you know what he's putting in that so-called stew of his don't you vegetables [ __ ] vegetables from out of the dirt that just ain't right perfect careful thank you look at that our table is bigger yeah enjoy enjoy my friends yeah yeah we'll see about that here you are a meal fit for a champion enough I said we would speak no more of that yes of course didn't mean to offend um genuinely a straight face analysis you could possibly give this scene with this being all the contacts you have that's a really strange thing for him to say yeah I thought you weren't keen on the prophecy stuff and leading into war and like that's weird like I get that you want to maybe give him a sense of Pride about his uh potential future of being someone who's going to be important and strong and stuff but you know Tia seems to understand better than anybody that we should be avoiding that outcome he seems very anti-war and that would be the context for him being a champion so a bit of a weird thing to say uh I'm not offended it's just a word the word didn't clouds your judgment so you really don't think it means anything after the journey mom sent us on everything we shot in jodenaha what was it all for don't you ever think about that every day but I cannot believe her purpose was to inspire you to take foolishness but what if the Giants are counting on me what Giants all right I'm counting on you safe to be smart that is the Judgment of a man and not of a child but what if Loki going to Ironwood is the only way oh atreus my son and nothing more do you catch in the background when he says you are my son Brock nods yeah true man you know uh yeah this this is better explained if I included all dialogue I haven't but there's every time atreus mentions the fate of Loki or Loki's job or what Loki's supposed to do Kratos gets increasingly [ __ ] annoyed that forgive me Kratos my words were chosen carelessly you really should eat some people swear by it on almost a daily basis if anyone doesn't know that the dwarves can teleport um so yeah surgery just appeared here like so the the way that we see him arriving but we don't see him arriving you know yeah it's once once the player well once once uh atreus walks in front of the you know our view that's when they have him arrive yeah we can't see him arrive you really should eat yeah some people's really great on almost a daily basis just don't understand why is there all this stuff about Loki [Music] mind if I give you the best advice you've heard all day and possibly ever sleep that's when All the Troubles of your mind work themselves out sure fine sleep sounds great I mean it I do too get out of here already gone yeah it was kind of funny but it's a really big deal you put his hand on his shoulder yeah but she's trying to get through to him yeah the way you moved away with his hand almost like it's contaminated right like he's like gotta go sort this out now anyone who ever said cindry being a germaphobe is pointless well oh oh it's not get sick that's the point come on we onto that [Music] oh boy [Music] okay [Music] seat belts on chat everyone just knowing we're Gods makes me feel so much stronger where am I it's all you ever talk about over and over do something about it or shut over it little peoples I'm sick of hearing about Little People's little problems memories and not nice ones what do you want let's go I don't understand whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever hey don't run off whatever can you tell me where I am whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever will you stop he should pay for what he said about mother [Music] all right but we're gone you can do whatever we want please wait please stop let me see this one just says so weird hearing his young voice so well I think you could find this on my stream when I started up and you first hear atreyas I think someone in chat was like not a fan of uh older treyar's voice that after like tablets who are like no it's fine actually in fact bring it back it's just like a matter of like what the hell that's not a trace like no yeah that's how voices work okay yeah whatever the people go through puberty it's weird I feel like this whatever part is almost a little bit of a meta joke from the depths you think oh the whatever part yeah yeah definitely during that section so many times it's a I I would argue it's part of what's not very good about that a section it's it's a couple of things that aren't working but one of them is that he keeps [ __ ] saying whatever whatever the whole point is in that moment in the game when Kratos tells you to shoot things he's like I don't even have to listen to you you know so they're like I know we'll make him say whatever okay yeah I'll shoot you know what whatever but you end up having him [ __ ] say whatever like ten thousand times this pre-teen dick Arc um so yeah it feels like the kind of reference they get there a self-roast as they as someone put it yeah and this is the uh the yotenheim track [Music] thank you [Music] oh and it was worth mentioning sorry for people who aren't following he we do understand get told what the mechanics are but it's basically as simple as when Giants sleep they're able to essentially teleport to places that they focus on um bear in mind as far as we know he is the only giant that's left I suppose the only humanoid Giant yeah [Music] yeah go as far as saying it's pretty fairytale yep humanoid is two legs and two arms technically I'm not don't worry we'll count you were inclusive I'm not I'm not don't include me I don't think I noticed that sound that music at all I was thinking I don't know why what I will say is that so some people are asking how I how I did this it's as simple as going from the soundtrack and putting in where I like estimate where I think a lot of the tracks ended up but um to be fair this isn't necessarily the track that plays here it's just a place I thought would be suitable to show off yeah yeah nine one for example the Freya one that I did at the beginning that was a match of one to one to finding where it actually fits but uh this one yeah I think you can play the game in such a way that it just only plays the music and that's how you can they were that way if I didn't play it that way [Music] finished with it yet the pain is made from the bark of the Ironwood trees they absorb the memories of the forest so that the paint remembers too memories of the past of the future [Music] I'd hate to get blood on it oh it's really you uh you know who I am what's wrong waiting my whole life for this moment [Music] huh you look weirder than I imagined oh sorry um was that mean kind of damn it I'm already messing this up it's just you're the first person that I've talked to and in a very long time [Music] and weird can be good thanks Amanda you must have a lot of questions uh yeah follow me and so anger boat is introduced is everyone okay is everyone all right I'm fine you're alive you'll have a hot attack I don't know I honestly didn't have any issues what tissue might a person have oh well Theo You Hate Everything You must [ __ ] say goodbye tell us about why Uncle boater is evil um [Laughter] I don't know well I do know but I you know I don't want to be uncharitable you know well yeah let's start with the most charitable and I think accurate arguments man this part is boring yeah it's a rather dull we don't get a lot of developments over the time that we have I will of course have included the developments and we're going to talk about them but it takes a while to get through this section yeah it's just too long it achieves things for the story but the amount of time it takes to achieve the Miz it's drawn out it's a long [ __ ] section it's a long section yeah and it actually includes a lot of um the sort of annoying low interaction kind of gameplay scenarios right like a fruit from a tree and you do that I think I'll get back on the yak and then go over to the other one and grab it like it's it's uh it breaks the loop like the core gameplay Loop for a while and if you're gonna be breaking a cool gameplay Loop you need to do it uh ease us into a little better like having Kratos pick a flower once in God of War 2018 is kind of funny right you don't you don't have to [ __ ] people still blew their minds of that they're like how could you how do you call this a God of War games like it happens in like for one minute he just goes and grabs a flower it's kind of funny uh yeah you're gonna make it especially if you know about that deleted deed dare I say of what Christopher judge says while doing it is funny but uh yeah we know about that you have to check that out yeah well okay so I mean they're recording that seed and she says go get me some Labs Cress that he says all right like start to Levy walking out and Chris just says ABS Chris the [ __ ] God of War it's really funny it's brilliant um the problem here is that like as much as I can argue we draw a decent chunk out of this I can't justify movies worth of time with what we get out of this yeah that's ridiculous right it takes it takes I want to say I'm trying to be fair I think the average person's rushing through it it'll be an hour and a half but if you try to collect everything it'll be two hours I mean for me it might have just been the difficulty I was playing on that like uh time has no meeting as far as like amount of time I spent in each area but this was the first place where one of the kind of Joss whedon-esque humor lines like MCU things happen and a particularly difficult battle well yeah I'll tell you why because when you die the patter between the characters when you're fighting it's not Dynamic it's canned so I heard hey huh maybe I'm just lucky now you're not lucky maybe you're just Loki about 500 [ __ ] times since I died a lot in that battle and every single time she says it right okay I completely agree with you but I will say I'm sorry what is the lighted of edges that is like that you know like no okay I'm not saying it's something that just we didn't want to write something I know it came across that way I wasn't been defending Josh wino's defending Avengers because people are like uh Marvel Hubert it's like there's loads of Marvel movies with really good human what do you mean well I mean yeah I know and like and honestly that line hearing at once isn't terrible like it's yeah a little bit funny I guess if it's like maybe I'm just lucky it's like your name kind of rhymes with the word lucky sure but when you hear it more than 10 times honestly it's just like oh God anger about it please stop yeah the dialogue between them isn't exact it's like some of the weakest any two characters have as an interaction like when you have because I think I just think this is the case when you have a a small section with atreus and sindri it's a bit of a gamble you don't have Kratos it's like so how is this gonna work it's like well is syndrie developed enough and is atreus developed enough to keep us going for the amount of time they're going to cost us and I think they were successful we learned quite a decent bit about atreus's goals what how he feels about syndrion vice versa and then something about syndrome Brock and more about how they've been doing this for a while and we got Freya it's like that was that was pretty solid but you know there is a an amount of time that that scene could take where eventually people would be like uh this is going on a little too long with my Kratos give me back my Kratos and I will say when you get Kratos back after Ironwood it is one of the most like yes yes like [ __ ] that uh I would justify that in any way shape or form is a sort of like oh it's good for that feeling it's like no that's just a relief of this it's a relief I gotta say though I I was impressed with how much I enjoyed playing as atreus I didn't think it would be as much fun as it was a lot of people hate playing as atreus or something I really see I didn't hate it I don't think it's eight worthy I think it's just not perfect we don't have as many options as when you're playing as Kratos yeah I still think he's better than like playing his alley in Last of Us and I don't even mean the last of us too I'm talking about the both like yeah you know he's comparable because they're both Beau uses but like uh with some extra abilities and melee attacks but I still feel like there's more going on for him than there was for her dedicated skill tree for his abilities that you can develop over the course of his sections and it has a bit of crossover with the skill tree that like you can select abilities that are the player character atreus abilities that carry over to when he's the companion character for Kratos to like the Russian ones and stuff and I thought that was kind of cool I was like oh if you're gonna make us play as a thin and more dull version of uh Kratos with slightly different mechanics like the range [ __ ] going on but I don't know if it's different enough that you can't do it for too long you're gonna have to be careful we can only sustain so much before like why am I not playing his creators give me back and this by the way yeah right did it fine yeah the Freya section was is kind of the model I think for how to go about it especially the let's call it the fourth address section I think is probably a pretty solid one as well but uh second and third I think uh they're the ones that are targeted the most for taking too long third by a much lesser extent this one is Hardcore hated by everybody yeah this one has like one or two places where it was like oh now we're going back right and it's like nope we're still going okay yeah there's a second playthrough I was like okay we're done here now right and it's like oh no wait there's a whole other sections to [ __ ] me and my stream what is the third atreya scene take place is well I can type it for now yeah okay from what you choose to do if you tell me it's a spoiler I know I mean it's technically spoilers I'd like the idea of trying to maintain some level of build up for people who haven't played this before you know and who are listening to this we can uh the frustration of this set in terms of how long it is is alleviated by just splitting it in half or three years I I have finished my opinion on this it is split into threes delete one and keep two and refine the two uh with pieces of one so we have this this done in two and I think the first one should have happened uh really early on and you can't tell whether or not it was actually just all a dream uh right and then confirmed the beginning of this ain't a [ __ ] dream this is a thing you can do I'm angry bird blah blah get all the information out that we we had but you know built on the the first one that he thought maybe wasn't real uh spending nearly two hours here is unacceptable I'm sorry yeah it's way too long too long too boring and yeah uh I think there was three significant moments that are all separated by about 20 to 30 minutes in my stream where I was just like ah there we go that's The Natural end back to Kratos it's like no man even if you if you as we already said even when you rush through it you already know what's gonna happen that still takes over an hour well consider the first time you control atreus when you're going to meet Freya right that is a very interesting character interaction that the players legitimately excited to get to and see so when you don't really have an idea of where things are going it makes it a lot more difficult for you to sit through what would be generally considered less engaging gameplay in order to get there well yeah you're not quite sure where it's all leading to because you just don't know much about Ang Roberta like and what what her role is in the story whereas yeah like with Fred you know exactly like what's happening there and um you can actually sort of estimate and guess as to how she'll respond but like here you don't know Ang Roberto yet like you don't really there's not much to speculate on really you're just kind of waiting to see what happens and hoping that it will be worthwhile or rather worth the time that you have to spend uh just doing fairly mundane things in the game to get to those moments those are the music tries too hard to carry allow it to do that please allow it to try too hard we need it I wish the music carried wings of power oh yeah um this is where I genuinely wonder if they understood the the amount of interactivity given to you here it just isn't enough to carry it it's weird that you have low interactivity low like chemistry and low like I guess uh engagement like all at the same time like why would you if you're gonna have like a moment where the mechanics are more limited you might want to have a crank up in terms of interaction that's that's you know but instead you gave us like atreus which we do like him but with a brand new character who's um nice girl that's like the whole thing no offense we'll get into more of a character in a moment uh it's just that that's that's what we got is if this was atreus and sindri in Ironwood it could probably alleviate a lot of the stresses of a lack of pacing because you can talk more about things we're actually interested in bro Brock and throw whoever I don't know the story wise that doesn't work anywhere near as well but of course I'd be talking about maybe redoing all of this that's right I wonder maybe they thought that it was carried that this section would be carried simply because it's gonna reveal a bunch of information about the Giants I think so with more also more relevant than character driven that's what I'm saying about like of all the information we get I think it buys its this is so subjective but I feel like it buys it about 40 minutes at Absolute maximum like with what we get in terms of information that's probably as much as you could have gotten well justifying that amount of time but I think the next person might say like no no 10 minutes and next business like I think an hour you know it's really difficult to talk about pacing um yeah it's just that it seems to be an incredibly common experience from people that this was horribly paced no way they couldn't have given you more to do like meaningfully to do there's no way or just split it up have his have his dreams be these little almost like intermission segments in between the Kratos parts right a little bit here a little bit there a little bit here oh like um maybe because during the section when you're the using the yak to get to all of these different locations it probably would have just been better off to have that be like a big open space that you could explore at your own pace and find like interesting things just give just give players a little bit more interactivity yes that's very unrails that section yeah when you invest um when you have a game where you're leveling up a character building their skills and really starting to invest into a particular character then every moment that you have to play the game not as that character that you've invested in it can feel like um if you feel like uh you you're we're wasting time you know that that's time that I'm not having in a character that I've been yeah and part of it I think I know there's plenty of people who disagree with this but part of what makes it so jarring to me is how strong everything was at first in terms of Rich for development like I'm getting so much you know it's a decent comparison we have tears a new character and he's not exactly the most interesting person on the surface he seems to be quite passive and Afraid and anti-action of a lot of Kinds so it's like how do you make him interesting he's like well we're going on an adventure to a place where we had an effect many years ago and we're seeing the results of it with characters like Kratos mimir and atreus and then they're telling stories of what they did and they're getting information back from tear about his reactions like we are building tear up by attaching him at the hip to all of these characters we love he's like that's a really good way to get us on board with a new character um because I I think I said this on stream I can't remember but um you know when Brock first arrives in 2018 I could see people being like Oh who's this guy is always the joke that he's just [ __ ] you know rude okay but once you spend enough time with any new character he becomes someone who can help a new character into the game if we had Brock and one random new character like um lindra right is always it Londa lunda um his interactions with her no stop make her easier to start to like because you know there's an attention there it's just that yeah uh there's nothing they made several bad choices here in terms of strategy for getting players to be engaged dare I say mentally this is not and to the point because this is all the attack I'm going to start defending the sequence now um I don't I don't think it's worthless the shitty pacing has gotten it to the point where most people don't even know what happened in Ironwood they don't they just they just want to scrub from their memory even though it does achieve some things narratively that matches the uh the rest of the game that's all well yeah because of the fact that I'm chopping this up for what I think is the most valuable we will get I think around about half an hour of visuals of this place and and dialogue we have lots to talk about and that's the stuff that probably that's that's how much they should have shaved it but oh well yeah thank you thanks where are we going my mother recorded her Visions or prophecies I thought you might like to see them where are your friends they're not around are they I know you have a lot of questions but not this one okay I'm sorry racy across what go uh okay raise this [ __ ] she cheats it's rigged I can slow down women be cheating on who he is so weirdly I meant to editing that she beats you on that I don't know why I must have deleted that clip oh well she beats you but she cheats ridiculous yeah he knows the way already she was way ahead and then you yeah says it's true she says to the amulet I think and he gets there first and then she says Ah the top that's the end and he's like boy what the [ __ ] no that wasn't the then she's already gone so yeah cheat cheat moral of the story don't trust women no yeah very true oh and that's worth knowing yeah the prophecy that says Kratos will die atreus has no knowledge of that right now and this is right him seeing this panel that was in yotenheim but he didn't see it wait no no it's not right that can't be what happens again another version of the sun's path am I going first person now to try and enhance the Panic Element no no anymore though is this a real iron was not real the ungar's not real none of this is real hey hey you're okay look at me hey hey hey hey calm down calm down fine hey hey my dogs are both sniffing my headphones are there tiny other dogs in there yeah I can hear them you cannot hide them from me Let It Go they're very confused by the ground the dogs are you not telling me about thank you it's okay you're fine sorry I don't know what happened oh don't worry about it it happens to everyone that happens to everyone not the wolf part but getting scared about your future that cannot be my future it says I serve Odin and my father dies there's just no way look this is the only way things turn out the sooner you accept that the better when she said that on my stream I was like no no uh but yeah she's uh she got triggered by the suggestion that he would alter his future she seems to have a very different view on this perspective on Prophecy I will say it's having atreus so it is really useful in a story to have characters have access to different information um because then it's just gives you more opportunities for subtext up until this point we've had the subtext really of kratos's interactions with the trash pertaining to like prophecy and everything with something that he knows the detroitest doesn't now atreus knows it but he knows it you know and Kratos doesn't know that he knows and so like from this point onward there's a new Dynamics in their conversations about uh prophecy and what's gonna happen in Ragnarok because I mean you know it's hard to say he's gonna keep this from him yeah well that comes up a little bit later yes I mean oh [ __ ] that was mean too look forget about that now forget the future forget Loki you're a giant and you're clearly coming into some powers that you don't understand yet come on let's take a walk you can help me with something and I'll teach you you know giant stuff [Music] no I'm good come on there's a fairly enough I think it was soon after the this section that I checked the map and I was like uh oh there's lots of places we haven't gone yet where did you say we were going we need to collect some fruit if we follow the river we should find some flowers over there silence I okay no that's what they're called they only grow in Hilton Head my mother and I used to take naps in them when my grandma and her fought it was one of the only places she found peace listen I know we're out here having fun and all but maybe we should talk about what you saw in the mural what I saw would never happen I wouldn't join Odin if it cost me my father I learned anything from my it was that these things have a way of coming true one way or another I learned from my father too close your heart to it but I can't not for this hey what's this one I painted that one with Grandmother minor pet peeve you're gonna have him recording a line where in one of his lines he's jumping up and clambering onto something maybe have that inflecting the voice just a tad which sometimes they do sometimes they do not uh yeah they're trying to remember yeah the one that comes to mind is actually in 2018 is when uh he asked Kratos what his powers are and greatest pushes on the um the ore to push the boat out and he goes I do not know what this drug you know and it's just like Ah that's neat yeah um but yeah they didn't they I guess it's because of the fact that you need to call record two versions right one where you you didn't climb and one where he does not here we're fighting you okay feels weird when I change like I'm not in control do you need to be what do you feel when you change of course she'd say that because Destiny yeah I was gonna say like we should probably say more so she's clearly very much like the control of your life is not in your hands it's in the world hand so to speak like it's it's happening already so she believes like your idea of controlling and deciding is actually bad you should be more um go on the rails that are set and uh yeah so the idea that he's like how do I control the wolf if she's going to have a very different point of view on how that works part of you unleash the wolf with that anger maybe you just need to find the part that will guide it how you can fight with all sorts of emotion in your heart not just rage if rage lets it out another might help you stay you which uh yeah from that point on the wolf becomes your rage mode and yep that's you so obviously the idea here being that you're not going to release it just when you're angry or release it in hopes that you can defend either yourself or other people that's going to play into a lot of the big moments that he brings them out in future there's a soul inside your knife did you not know that no who sold you know maybe you should keep it where it is until you figure that out how'd it I don't just go around stealing people's Souls bring the wolf Loki but under your control [Music] I have something for you that cut was really awkward I try I try and fade them a bit better than that uh somebody else by the way that happened I thought that The Rock skipping thing was so incredibly pointless if all it was going to do is be like surprise drow go ah yeah but um turns out I don't know if you did this but like you can do it so well that you uh get a resource okay really yeah you have to Nate I I thought I was nailing it especially because it's unclear and the dialogue seems to suggest you are doing it well if you do it really well she's like excellent or something like that and it's like oh I did it but I had a curiosity I was like am I doing it as best as I can and then I did it apparently perfectly it skips all the way over to one of those uh seashell things and it opens it up and it drops a thing into the water and you could pick it up okay yes I I was legit like oh that makes more sense like yeah I was just bored Beyond [ __ ] at some points like I just thought it was silly like you wasted my time I don't care about [ __ ] skipping rocks especially when the controls are hold right trigger let go of right triggers like come on yeah but you don't have any indicator if you're doing better or worse now really it depends it gives you one skip two skips three skips four skips five skips I think so the more skips the better you're doing I mean yeah but you know it's like oh you can use the bow to hit the shells too see I didn't even know that yeah you can I tried that on my second part because I can't I saw those shells I was like oh I don't know how to get those because I'm on this Yak thing so I can't shoot and I was like oh I'll probably come back with Kratos or something which you don't but you know I should have taken that as a lesson that the stone opened them up but I'm sorry not a true gamer a gamer I knew it should I be scared no uh I uh don't have anything for you if it is true what do you think I should do doesn't matter there's no changing where you end up you can try whatever you want to avoid it but it'll happen anyway you're telling me nobody has ever changed their faith ever I mean sure maybe some details change but the endpoint Remains the Same it's better to walk your path than to struggle against it there's some better to walk your path and struggle against it um yeah it's just a line about fate that we really haven't had over for anybody else so far and uh it's weird because it sounds like it was come out of a bad guy rather than a good guy but she really does believe this we get more on why soon enough yeah she talks she definitely doesn't seem at all frustrated about it certainly yeah it feels like it's just that's that's how we live that's it's nothing wrong nothing right it's all that's just it is um it doesn't seem like something you're excited about just means we're coming up to the end what does that mean yup understand once we get there this way we're coming up on the Valley of the Fallen what happened to them they were tired of living in fear of Asgard so they've hit left a pile of corpses to confuse Odin should he ever find a way in tea out in time where'd they hide we'll see oh more marbles wait you've seen these before not these but I found a few in midgar where inside your mother's murals oh but that's what are they could stay in the ocean waiting for Odin to find a way in to slaughter them or they could hide father helped whisper their souls into these and before he died the past monthly how they're your responsibility that's what my mother saw you're supposed to know what to do with them when the time comes this is a lot of responsibility it is it's all yours hey you okay yeah yeah no I'm just I'm done I guess now that I've given you those my part in all this is over you could always come with me but we could fight out in together fight alongside you I wouldn't disappear from your damn Nero halfway through something on your mind nobody believed this place was real so yeah uh worth mentioning just that's how extremely positioned is on this that she believes like she's clearly upset by the fact that she doesn't have to do anything else now when it's like which is weird I she teed him up for a really solid pickup line he'd be like well what if you do come with me um the the obvious conclusion that I think most people draw is like wait but if there's no thing telling you what to do that's that means you can do anything because they can do whatever you want right exactly yeah it seems that like now I'm I'm free from my destiny is fulfilled it's done anything that happens now it's all me it's it's it like I'm I'm finally like that that would explain why we why she might be so glad that he arrives like oh finally I'm Gonna Be Free of Destiny you know I can get out I can escape I'm done now everything's on me uh someone said she's apparently putting a lot of trust in a kid she just met so the idea here is that she so fully believes in Prophecy that if it said like you must cut off your own foot she'd stop doing it yep um it's it's to do with her family they we go into this a little bit more soon enough but uh the Giants and certainly her portion of it uh believes so hard in the visions that they would see them and then try their best to make everything about them happen um obviously a very different perspective than a lot of the characters that we're familiar with and yes she's having this rage sort of of like I'm you I'm like worthless I don't have anything to do now that's that's my input yeah what's my purpose when yeah that's the thing she she may need some pieces put together and maybe a character is going to provide them for you I think I think it's just um you could say it two ways oh what am I gonna do now like cause I'm excited because now that I've finished my obligations here I can go pursue my own path versus a much more deflated like all right what am I meant to do now what's the point yes I'll die okay um so that mola will explain why the writing is bad let's watch I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to I do have an issue with something that's coming up but it's not with her characterization necessarily uh or if anyone else does let me know it's a bit of a missed opportunity but uh I think well I mean okay go ahead like what specifically I think that we could have had a better opportunity to see I guess it like this idea that she's free from Destiny her cons like more of a strong opinion regarding you know concepts of Free Will and fate and if you can even make any sort of choices um I don't know I it doesn't quite it doesn't hit me this character it doesn't quite gel I don't think um I don't have any specifics I suppose well I guess the thing is is that there's a scene that's coming later that I think is pretty relevant in terms of tying into this pod okay I mean Patrice did ask you like can we make at least little changes and then she's like yes you can but ultimately pointless you should always stick to the road you're given sort of thing her premise is that like hey now that my part in the prophecy is over like I might as well like I I will hit plan is to just carry on looking after the wildlife but she finds that so lame in terms of it's not that she doesn't enjoy doing this I don't have a role to play in a story that the whole world is involved with right she's resigning to be a sad bored person for the rest of her life essentially like yeah which is because of the culture she's grown up in that you accept what you're given but uh you know maybe we'll see a bit more see if there's any other thoughts people have gonna be so surprised okay you can't tell anyone about Ironwood not even your father the biggest thing keeping this place safe is that Odin's not looking for it my words can keep the wildlife at Bay but if Asgard ever came looking I get it I'm sorry I won't tell anyone perfect hey he keeps Secrets better than elrond yeah that kind of sucks I it's a gift thanks but uh you keep it I thought he was just hypersimping when he when he did that but I forgot that there's a line earlier that she said she has a gift for him and he says I don't have anything for you and so that's why you did that yeah which is a little bit better he's still hyper-simpy in this sequence yeah and and I said on stream and I stopped by I know you can't have like a scenery of this seed but I love the idea of him picking a flower trying to give it to her he fails he looks down and the camera pans over and you get anyone from Kratos to Amir to sendri to Brock's reaction to it it would be great just like that's pathetic man [ __ ] loser yeah like it would be so much fun compared to this sort of just hit it as like okay all right and yeah I'll give him space I know it's the first girl he's properly interacted with I get it I understand he's twitterpated yeah it's it's you know it's yeah first girl oh my God girl no the other realms I live in a wooden Hut with my dad sweet of you to offer you know I thought learning my destiny would change something by the way I just chopped out like [ __ ] 20 minutes yeah it felt like the most Superfluous like part of of the Ironwood it's like holy [ __ ] you did not need to do this she's collecting paint stuff it's like yeah you could have just had the dialogue and we walked back you didn't have to do this but I'm still just me was it like that for you you're always still going to be you Loki it's about coming to terms with it and you come to terms with it I thought so I meant what I said before you know buy your paintings they're really good are you trying to cheer me up yeah is it working ask me again well damn time all right who was that kryla sheep what's wrong with it I can't feel anything there's nothing to feel Carla was put it slow away you know where she lives what are you gonna do I buried enough wolves this winter follow me if we run into Greylock please don't do anything drastic why she's my grandmother what she wasn't always like this and she learned my father wouldn't do anything to avert his feet she changed I see did a lot of giants live here over time she lived this entire life before she had it but I don't know anything about it I think it's incredibly weird I think you brought this up ranks when we were checking out how did it take that long for him to ask about his mom that's actually a good point yeah like it's been I I hesitate has it been over an hour of this place now oh yeah yeah absolutely yeah we've been here a little while um obviously I'm chopping it up so it doesn't quite feel that way but yeah it just it's really odd that like he would have only now been like leading to talking about his mum when this is the most information you could ever have access to about her life before him so I don't know anything about her your mother left the path of the Giants way before I was born so rila what does she need animal souls for anyway you can live moments from their lives finally feel free the wind in their fur as they run ow thanks hit the camera only worries asleep but it's fine oh okay hey we know my future and it doesn't involve us getting killed by your grandma how it works I mean it does though so well I find that line pretty interesting it just shows there's a there's a gap in her own thinking that she's not really considered yet the fact that it is in stone but also not in stone it's like so it's not in stone it can't be bows yeah I there's like if he was if he was pressing on stuff like this harder if there was when she says you know you could do you could change little things but not big things like well what about throwing a lot of little changes lead to big things you know how come you know when you draw the line why can't you know why can't we really push that and really been more insistent like no no no really just come with me right now we can go let's go come on right now this is not exactly the best uh test but you know if if someone is prophesized to be like the king of blah blah blah and the so I was like I could just kill them right now I could just do that I could just shoot this guy in the head right now it seems like a big event change doesn't it I took it there's not much more we can do bear girls would skin it and piss inside is it weird hold this because he's a weird fraud what are you you didn't have a least favorite Giant did you what it's at this point we'll let it we'll let it finish first ranks right another play out so we have every reference we need this one no you can't your mother said I'd know what to do with these eventually I just gave them to you I know but he can't hide forever right and we can't just leave it here to die chore no hmm foreign [Music] I actually don't know how to do this part okay and a magic paper clip that can help us together then thank you thank you wait that's it where's it going that even work I don't know I think that's enough um so that's your maganda I don't consider that a spoiler that's how he's made it's um I think I'll start with a compliment I appreciate that they couldn't have Loki's son be a snake or something but there's interpretation makes way more sense in terms of how that could come about the soul whispering and all that [ __ ] um everything else not a fan uh I don't know why he would have decided to do this this is [ __ ] bizarre and I hate it this is so many weird questions and just all kinds of stuff I Am So for anybody who's a little confused right all the Giants in order to hide from Odin uh had one of the Giants whisper their souls into these marbles for safe keeping I don't know what it's like to live inside a marble they never tell us in terms of what it means Pokeball yeah maybe it's constant stasis you never actually feel anything or maybe you're just sitting and they're looking around in a bag like man this is boring I don't know like but they understand them to be people and they said and looking atreus he's feeling pretty bad that you got these soulless people the things walking around and so he's like I know a bodyless soul and a soulless body yeah but it's like but these are these are people these are giants yeah these are uh these are this these are essentially your kin they're trapped they're waiting to be given a body so that they can essentially live a normal life again and and what appears to be on a whim you found some soulless snake in some random person's house hanging around literally and you're like you know what I'm gonna put the soul of one of my people into this snake body and you know what makes it really bad before you even highlight all the reasons why you should not do that is that he's clearly aware he said who's your least favorite giant exactly this can be punishment for the person that life ruins it it really you can't rely on him being naive or thinking this was the best thing for he he knows it's not a necessarily good decision you cannot gamble with someone's life just because you're curious about what will happen next and this hurts the both of them because she should be vehemently opposed to this she has a she is slightly more excuse in that she can be crazy with prophecy [ __ ] and he he yeah he's doing what he's prophesies to do and so she's like but yeah and then I should explain like you this is that you're putting the soul of one of our people into that snake it's gonna be living as a snake when it was like one of us earlier would you want to be living as a snake randomly like don't you think we I gave these to you 15 minutes ago maybe [ __ ] chill someone said I'd hate being a snake no arms can't even choke the chicken coil yourself up the right way I don't know they probably have an equivalent the snakes uh but yes it's very very odd and I just don't get it and and by doing this atreus's reaction is basically like I [ __ ] up you got you take the Giants goddamn and I'm just like we don't even what were you hoping for that the steak would just be like hello there thank you so much for releasing me I appreciate it your three wishes why only the snake what about the other animals you just saw were they not cool enough I want to get a soul from you well because he considers what he does here kind of a mistake he regrets it immediately because the snake doesn't talk to him I guess he doesn't know what he's done yeah yeah and it's just like I don't know why you did what did you realize oh my God what the [ __ ] is happening I where are my arm am I am I a snake you made me a steak why did you do this snake what the [ __ ] put me back in the Pokeball oh God why would you remind me it's so horrifying um but the uh yeah so the thing about this is something some people like well I mean it's better the beat of the Bible is it it's like I have no idea and neither does trace you don't know that yeah if if you could whisper one out or you could speak to one that's been in there and they say yeah it's a horrible experience then you could maybe use that as a motive to do this but you don't have that as far as we know they're chilling there uh so yeah I think this needed way different sets of mechanics to justify why these two would make this decision I think if you gave me the choice between hey live with no arms and no legs or be asleep I I'd be like yeah asleep especially it's like the the could you even speak with a snake's mouth no I mean he speaks that like Norris yes [Music] yeah so I I want it highlighted though I don't think anybody should be like I'm pretty sure I prefer being a snake than a marble or I'd prefer being marbles it's like no we just don't know and neither did these characters in fact they thought there's a risk of it being really bad and that's the problem now being a being a marble sounds pretty nice man I feel like you're just like on pause like if you don't have a you know it feels like the the body needs a soul for it to be you know essentially effective so you wonder like does the soul need a body to also be essentially effective are you on pause like you're you're just on standby mode until you're reunited I assume I quite uh the superchat just came in as relevant as the the Giants went into pokeballs to avoid the Asia the Asia is still around like you haven't we haven't quite solved that problem yet yeah but they're looking for Giants they're not looking for random snakes but they had to fight it like that's what yeah but yeah well you should have told him you were a giant you idiot they were playing marble blast Ultra on the Xbox 360. they have an equivalent on Steam and I love it yeah being a marble would be okay man that's all right fine I agree I'd rather be a marble but as long as you can bounce and jump and then platforms appear in all levels and stuff that'd be great but yeah yeah uh not not cool not a fan of this moment for either of them point it's funny I never even thought about that scene because I was just happy when everything was over you could watch My Stream I'm like uncomfortable when this happens I'm like uh is it over that I don't know do you think about this one because uh there's always the chance when it comes to a story that's got a lot of intentional writing that something will come along or something could change or maybe a character that you trust and take to be literal in what they say could turn out to be a completely different character or something like just for instance like a hypothetical uh so you need to wait until maybe you get all information already they're your responsibility I think they're better off with you yeah I'm low for one right now even remember in a moment which is going to kill him no because you just stopped me stopping her so I don't know but unironic actual point to be made here is that hey this isn't prophesy zangra Boda what you doing this is a shrine it's not well yeah let's talk your character would be like oh were you prophesized to stop me or tell me what plans in the prophecy you know well that's the thing right because like she at first doesn't want anything to do with this and then she's gradually invested by like the idea of stop it from killing innocent creatures and now she's like okay something should be done because this isn't right like that's an interesting POV maybe that should take over whether or not is prophesized I told you never to come back here that's right look at me and you refuse to be one of them footage together [Music] listen okay I'd rather listen to the conversation than save an innocent creature so that's what we're gonna be dealing with for a second Destiny of prophecies or Ragnarok and that's worth it to you hiding in these Woods trying to forget how miserable you are [Music] only temporary talking about my father it's a good track as well [Music] another variation of a Sun's path yeah good [ __ ] [Music] you can't help but except they're definitely gunning for a fairy tale aesthetic and with the music as well now especially with this this giant person at YouTube yeah giant with a cauldron yeah so um if you're gonna have this anywhere it's like yeah Ironwood seems like it was trying to build up something like that yeah [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] foreign [Music] what did you know I saved you oh my drugs pretty much right after I pulled you out of your mother get out you just got out no let's go you think you've done something here granddaughter you are nothing and no one will ever remember you not even Loki you'll just be a forgotten chapter in his story he'll be too busy morning his father I see you again with your parents foreign you sure it's all right to leave her here what if she comes out looking for she used to leave me food what she'd say she didn't care about me but sometimes I'd wake up and I'd see a loaf of bread sitting next to the fire make just the way she always used to he's not a monster you know she's lost [Music] you're gonna walk so everyone in chat is saying cringe I'm very confused I'd like to hear some arguments go for it yeah I think that his story thing but I don't know like I only noticed that because the subtitles were on I didn't notice that on my own that's what something that yeah but like it's because I've seen people say like actually calling or a side character bad writing it's like the point is she's insulting it by saying that she doesn't matter that she is a side character stunning for your insecurities this is what she's insecure about that's what she specifically upset about who might know these things if you remember like we even found that um if you drew herself with her grandmother they would have spent a lot of time together as a reference to how there's lots of arguments her mum and her grandmother would get into the grandmother thinks prophecy's [ __ ] and that you should just try and live every day as it comes because life is pain uh but every other giant basically was like no no live based on whatever the Visions say and that anger Boda clearly even from a young age was always incredibly sad and disappointed that she didn't have anything to do beyond help Loki that was her last plot point of his story give him information and so grandmother knew that and so she's like get the [ __ ] out and then she's like wait I know I can use your insecurity against you you are [ __ ] nothing you're just a chapter story you'll never matter no one's ever going to care about you and uh it works right because that's the kind of thing that she takes seriously it's for the thing that would dig into her personality and the grandmother knew that you just started destroyed a crack cauldron she wants to get some Revenge um so like as much as I can understand why someone might be uh triggered I would say it's a it's a false alarm like they're using reference to what your story is in reference to how you see your story unfold in visions he's not like making a meta reference if the dialogue was Loki's story instead of his story would that make it better why would that matter because apparently people seem to be getting are having a reaction to the his story but isn't he a guy in reference to the word history well I know and like I mean that's kind of what I'm thinking though so like I mean my point is that if it changes if the dialogue was you'll just be a chapter in Loki's story if that changes your reaction to it then it's not really it's not really the intention of the sentence it's the it's a fluke of the wording you know what I mean like I'm trying to shine some light on that part though right in the same sentence yeah you know his story Loki story are exactly the same sentence yeah I know I I'm like I 100 agree I'm just saying that to the people in chat who are bothered by the wording of his story and think it's cringe if the wording was Loki's story would that change your opinion if the answer is no it's like okay well then you just you think that it's bothersome because of the intention of the sentence where anger Boda is a chapter in the character atreus Loki's story whereas the I think people are reacting to the cringe aspect being The Meta history being the you know his story cat I want something better than that it's like I'm trying to I'm reading a couple of responses some people saying like well it's just [ __ ] boring the whole sequence is like okay we can see that it's boring but I need more on why it's like but I'm just saying the delivery was cringed like I mean it's an exasperated giant angry grandmother I don't I don't know it seemed about on point I I don't especially um the lady playing anger Boda I thought her face was pretty strong as she was walking away shows how much it means to through and I quite like the part where she just starts she in like cuts off the trays to just start talking about how much she loved her grandma once upon a time yeah and what's happened since because she she no it's obviously upset her but she knows what's happening she's lashing out she's upset and so she's digging at her just trying to basically Target her insecurities but she's kind of above it right yeah she knows that it's hurtful and obviously it hurt her feelings but like she's gonna try and Rise Above It um I mean you know yeah uh I think most people are chilling out on the his story thing I all I had to do was point out he's a guy foreign that's the whole insecurity is that she is a chapter in his story being his the vision but also he's a guy so if you're going to refer to him but not by name you will say his does seem yeah like I respect their pronouns I think it's cringe because the grandma just explains angry about his problems we already knew that was her issue yeah yeah um if she knows let's put it this way if someone was like man I I really should avoid you know ice cream because I'm just I'm putting on I'm starting to notice it in the mirror you know to a friend and then that friend gets angry at you one day and says shut the [ __ ] up fatso he'd be like wow but that's one way but then if they were like you're insecure about being fat I think is the ideas they're saying the first one would be more reasonable the second one not so much but I mean the grandma was pretty angry uh and sort of lashing out as was just mentioned it's like uh I think if you if you're angling the dialogue should be more subtle in terms of you know I I guess we could tweak it to be like don't you hate that you don't have no that'll be worse I really like this don't tend to lean towards subtlety it just yeah that's what I mean I'm trying to I think I want to agree that we could improve the dialogue and everything but it's just um I don't know it seems it fit enough for me uh I think you guys can't let Chad have a different opinion okay no I'm talking to you I am talking to you guys if you don't want me to do that I can turn you off I guess like maybe the solution could be to have her uh the the giant the the big lady say something along the lines of like you're you're at the end you'll be like me you'll be doing everything you can to experience whatever you can or you'll come crawling back or you'll know what it's like to be like this soon or something along those lines I I get those edits but they just feel like we're changing it totally rather than like making tweaks I mean it's clear what she's trying to do and how she's going she's trying to hurt her feelings so like I mean um if that's her goal this is how you do it if I was to do literally anything to it I would maybe shorten it that's about it maybe yeah maybe oh I think so so is the problem really people are drawing like it's a message about how women are just chapters and men's stories I don't think there's no way dude so deep into it but this I thought I thought it would go away if anything it's over that Ironwood is about an individual not men and women like an individual's chance to create their own story and not be you know bound to whatever is said of them in terms of Destiny with it's okay guys you don't need to read that far into it this reminds me of uh I wish I had the picture but like rainbow wrote about [ __ ] Pride ass [ __ ] what's really funny is that's the first time that I've seen in like Normie circles people sharing one of Jeremy's tweets well yeah because Jerry quote tweeted like what the [ __ ] what are you talking about just don't you don't want to no I think that that guy the guy who said oh it's a this woke [ __ ] in mer in the Mario movie was replying to Jeremy you know I know but Jerry also quotes me the response like what okay I think he said like this rainbow roadway dude [Laughter] you've been gone longer than you think you could just walk through that and Kubota that's fine this was a long time coming we'll be back once we reach the other side of this Point well then we're first that's two out of three atreus raise me come on I see what you're doing you know you want a rematch after last time I appreciate um last time I beat you pretty sure it was a theater pretty sure it wasn't whatever helps you sleep at night I'm gonna cheat again about to have a musical section show up so imagine which one it is [Music] you coming or what oh no you don't watch the turn here Bryce's theme yeah it's so good versatile as well super engaging at this point it was already sold very upbeat and adventurous I have absolutely no idea what you're saying [Music] and the more I hear it might become my favorite one of the lot actually I'm so great over kratosis might be in I just like this one a lot [Music] actually I'd say that and I I think Fame might be my favorite Bay is awesome dude some said more generic music oh [ __ ] off get out of here man I can only hope for a world where this is generic I was gonna say I I am happy is that it is yes it is made of notes oh gross [ __ ] really this one too instrument split [Music] oh this isn't supposed to be here this is this was supposed to be I threw this in as a reference for the the Brad thing I think it got shoved forward to the timeline yeah I'm pretty big fan of bread I had bread today I throw bread oh you can't say that in today's climate oh it's cold I'm all it's bread once you're gone my pardon this is over [Music] feel free to stay to come with me right now let's go I think your part is as big as you want it to be hmm what are you gonna do get a big Park boy no idea I can't just sit back and let my dad die [Music] foreign other Home other Home other home all right so yeah it's worth saying now mechanically speaking yes he's been gone for some time and we're aware that uh from the prior games I actually think that time tends to work differently and he's already been gone for a while anyway so it's a little bit stressful the idea of meeting up with Kratos because you might have some stuff to explain and you can't talk about Ironwood so what's he gonna say what's he gonna do if you know that Odin has invited him to Asgard so um yeah the there's a real good vibe right now of like okay when I get to igtracell he's probably gonna have some dialogue I'll get to sindri's house and I'm gonna walk in it's gonna be awkward that's what's in your head when you play like this that this happens so good I I wanted to visit for two days I do not lie to me again why did you come here alone yeah it's amazing you can't stop looking at his face it's the little details it's the spatial Expressions The Voice Christopher Judge man yeah yeah then why why what is it you will not tell me I have tried to walk this path with you we follow you everywhere but you don't believe in any of it and still I follow because all that matters is that you are safe and that's not all that matters who's keeping you safe need you to protect me you sure about that I can't talk about it but I just need you to trust me you kept secrets but I trust you that's not the same why not you hate things motherhood things you had good reasons and so do I why can't you just dance like no it's my um on my stream uh I was already thinking about how like I'm trying to make sense of this why would there just be a random Valkyrie attack unless it's to do with Odin which is what they imply and then I was just like you could see me putting pieces together as I was fighter on stream I was like an Adventures go wait is this Freya like I was like is it possible because it would make some sense if it were because we've got no reason to be assume we're fighting a valkyrie at this point and yeah of all the odds of one finding us right now right here in mid guards like hmm and if you keep an eye on all the animations and the particle effects and stuff some of them are familiar for some reason foreign it's so [ __ ] good because she's almost tricked him into finally fighting back yeah yeah and it's like he's like almost offended like what why did you you [ __ ] like I how dare you it's like my whole deal is I've just been trying to stop you from hurting my son and taking all of the damage while not killing you and you almost made me kill you yep it's not that deep but what I said isn't that deep she's wearing a mask my dude I think she's trying to protect her identity it doesn't need to be but it's like well [ __ ] this is now the person who's been trying to kill you has kicked it up another notch she says later like she was annoyed that he would refuse to try and fight her every engagement so this is obviously an attempt on hip hop to hide her identity yep [Music] every violation imagine [Music] [Music] made so far we're lighting time Victorious as hitting a nerve man she's seeing him be a real dad all right he just loves his son so much talk about it [Music] Maybe for the moment you're of more use to me so we just went from like an internet connection of one megabyte per second to like a hundred pretty much yeah we we were like plodding along with some things to say what a [ __ ] shotgun blast holy [ __ ] there's so much to talk about there with Freya because it's so many things that have motivated her decision there and she's not happy about it she's really really really upset about the choice that she has to make here and it's informed by so many things it's informed by what we mentioned earlier with uh when a trash matter that it's just like all of this information is leading you to a place where you know what choices you need to make here and this is you need to cooperate with Kratos like you just have to do it and especially when she sees atreus turning into a bear there it's like yep so it's pretty clear with all of this information you you just got to put it to one side for now but then there's also what you mentioned before that it's like this is Kratos this is who he is he does not want to hurt you he can considers he like he he owes you a debt like and he knows it um and also him just being good dad you know it's uh trash impossible Nazis watching her watching him take care of his son like what's that gonna make a joke about exactly how important that connection is and yeah he just he just saved your life again I mean arguably maybe she would have been okay but at the same time he clearly cares to protect you after you put a knife to his throat or blade she has to channel that anger and to destroying that big old Boulder there she's gotta get even Kratos wasn't sure what that was gonna be until it happened yeah but uh I just God damn it dude that that performance from her when she was losing her [ __ ] fantastic excellent I imagine several of the studios might want to snap some of these actors up for a game stuff because her name this this is what it feels like to have two completely opposite motivations in your head at the same time yeah exactly ones that are extreme and Powerful too well I mean another thing is she knows that for the last say like five or so years like a creative three I think oh was it only three yeah just going from around like 11 to 15. anyways well however long it's been she spent that entire time trying to kill him as hard as she possibly could to the point that like she stabbed him she stabbed him at the beginning of this game in the chest with a sword and he just kind of shakes it off and doesn't kill her so she also kind of knows it's like he just wants to be a good dad and he's trying as hard as he can to not fight with me and I I think this is the moment where she kind of like realizes that she's like I think she has to account for his perspective what she's been trying to discard as much as possible right it's just he's the one yeah and then meanwhile it's like wait a minute he likes you he you you know why he made that choice you know and you know that he doesn't want to hurt you and you know that he obviously he has a son that he wants to take care of yeah and then you know that there's a role that atreus must play uh in connection to you know her previous life right with Odin and all the other races like just yeah she's forced to a point where it's like despite how [ __ ] angry you are you have to you know what choice you have to make and I mean it reflects right in her screaming her lungs out as she like unleashes all of her rage on something other than Kratos it's it's great it's it's so good again just this boiling point again the performance yeah yep and Fabulous [Music] Maybe for the moment you're of more use to me asures home huh really you will tell the truth when I return now I must have things right we'll take him oh your majesty a pleasure to see you again do not let him out of your sight you heard him Sunshine come on get a move on what is it do you want I refuse to remain bound to this realm we travel to vanheim well guess it's just your sin yeah oh what a variable it's uh yeah I love the cindering Brock are more evolving in this game right there absolutely oh if you are still bound how will you travel I crafted a protection Ward that'll keep me from being pulled out of the realm it should hold until I find what I need and what is that the source of the magic that binds me to midgard we're going to find it I like how Kratos asked the question that the player's thinking exactly how can you go to Anaheim if you can't leave the realm it's like a temporary thing yeah they even argue that Odin's curses have uh weakened because of thimble winter as it weakens yeah all of the like active curses or spells or magic of any kind I will help you one thing I find kind of weird I suppose is how willing she is at this point to just cordially chat with him I know it's about pertinent information but there's I don't sense any vitriol coming from this you don't okay hang on hang on hang on I know that's why I still might kill you when this is over sure I mean the preceding things you don't I don't know it's all part of the same conversation but well I mean you could do that with a lot of conversations I I yeah I don't buy I think that she's able to provide practical information but she's still going to make clear what her motivations are and you can tell as the conversations proceed she's still spiky as [ __ ] but she'll entertain engagement in conversation and she has a short fuse in vannheim throughout and it to me that feels like an example right there of like are you doing this is something impossible it's like I'm doing it because this this it's like oh was it was this and it's like yes and I'm still going to kill you he'll still might kill you well also I mean she's been redlining on her mission to kill them for three years now and like I I think she's probably kind of Hit the point where she's you know just kind of done I was like ah okay well you know what maybe I have been a little unreasonable here and so I'm I'm still not gonna be nice I mean it's still not gonna be nice to you but like yeah we'll we'll do what we gotta do this is a big tent not really a big tangent so you know the game awards is happening real soon and there's a category for like players players voice where it's 100 dictated by votes yeah right now it's it's there's only a few hours left for round two to conclude and apparently these five games are set to advance with these percentages for their votes so I'm going from lowest to highest stray the game straight the little cat cake okay God of War Ragnarok has got 12 okay uh Eldon Rings got 14 uh okay I know where this is going caption impact is a 15 yeah guys you thought the fight would be between Ragnarok you didn't realize based Hedgehog run it in because all of the autistic Sonic fans really in prison or not are just they're they're crazy on the same people they're insane I hate you know what you you [ __ ] you have played Sonic Frontiers you don't know how amazing getting on me no no no no no no it's not the breath of the wild of Sonic the Hedgehog it doesn't have open worlds it has open zones okay I haven't played it I'm just maybe there is a difference I mean like kind of meaning but isn't open world like then look listen I don't I don't think the people would ever vote that wrong I think Sonic is game of the year I think that's right and ultimately yeah and so this you know can Sonic or the tarnished go fast has the double nobody can run Frost and then Kratos he's the fastest man alive real fast used to be able to double jump but he can't even single jump anymore no he lost it all uh you know the tarnished he's pretty lame you know looks like skele masks really like Kratos teaming up he couldn't take on Sonic look maybe Sonic Frontiers is actually like I I hear that they're doing a bunch of post launch content for free and the reason why was because the game was received well by fans of the game so that's kind of neat I I like I honestly haven't played it and I've heard that it's a skeleton of a great game but right now it feels like it's like Early Access why are you spitting on Phantom I didn't say anything that was Rags they had to be with that I didn't say anything mean about Sonic fans go for it vote for your favorite game all that happened was we read out the list and then left what even is gentian impact I don't know I'm a Chinese gameplay breath of the wild it's a game that I thought was about Max because I thought dead should impacted it's not altogether terrible from a basic mechanical standpoint but uh if you're gonna get deep into it it's a a pretty scummy mobile well like I just need to win games it's interesting that stray is doing it's it means it's Strays being out like wait what other hold on I'm walking through the Horizon forbidden West came out this year remember that game I have not played Horizon forbidden West because I played zero Dawn on PC with the mouse and key board and was like okay I'll wait till forbid West comes out on zeloy faster than a speeding Hedgehog definitely not really she just runs around like a museum Kratos tarnished Sonic all I heard there was trash game because I can't go fast that's all I heard well I mean Eloy is a ginger but then again so is Knuckles it's Knuckles Knuckles is uh why isn't he Australian [Laughter] maybe his parents moved to America right he's just like Kratos this Critters is kind of a hedgehog if you think about it is right now I've never seen whatever Knuckles is in real life I've never once seen one of those animals oh have you wow okay wow really you don't you don't even have to look up what they look like in real life because that's just how they look yeah I was gonna say Sonic looks just like a hedgehog yeah well Sonic's cooler looking than real hedgehogs real hedgehogs just wow he looks identical to real hedgehogs are cooler than Knuckles the I think real hedgehogs are real neat and I'd hang out with them and have cards I don't think they run very fast but still no I've I've not seen the fast running part so I think this game lies they even know their own source material honestly the only thing I've ever seen a real hedgehog do is sleep let's leave a lot I think maybe they they dream about being really fast and that's where they've got the inspiration from Sonic Sonic that's what Sonic is he all the gameplay it takes place in the two hours every day that he's actually awake he's like he's always sleeping otherwise like all all always sleeping that's the space sections and and sleeping again it's two waking hours so anyway there are people there there are Sonic like fan like actual Sonic fans and they're they're just they're a beautiful people screaming and yelling at all of the trying to like yell through the internet connection all the Sonic lore that we're we're missing to explain how Sonic could actually beat Eloy and Kratos the other one yeah um and the story cat but we all know we all know Sonic L6 is the best of them all so there you go they don't like to remember you really think they're here doing that right now they're watching the game awards and they're typing in their votes for Sonic Frontiers the game awards isn't on yet they're watching the The pre-stream Who uh where the guys go like only for the Sonic fans there's one for the song I'll give a bit of credit to the game awards I really thought they were gonna nominate The Last of Us Part One for a bunch of [ __ ] and it's basically so that's I presume it's eligible wait um well but I mean no Resident Evil 2 remake is that's a different game I know it's different I know um whereas the one is like part one I do love that trying to recontextualize it ah see it was part one of a part two story yeah so and fly away anyway back to God of War Ragnarok since I know we're near the end now but still still a little bit to go you know near the end you're a lie I promise don't worry we're on our way I got an old drinking buddy I've been meaning to look up once this joint were back on the map got a hunch lending you mokes of hands gonna hit me up where I'm going and what makes you think that because last I heard Terrell she was running with that beef with brother of yours prayer is not a part of this well my hunt says otherwise grow too which she says we didn't ask you to come along and he just says cause you didn't yeah I uh worth noting new it's it's really cool to see the variety in the Realms that we get to travel to in this one yeah alone is incredible like it's got a lot of time right gorgeous this by the way feels more like what I was talking about with what they failed to do in Ironwood it's like what if we don't have the standard Kratos atreus Mamiya combo now and it's like oh God what are you gonna what are we doing it's like Critters like okay I'm in Brock like well yeah and Freya you're like oh oh this sounds like it's got plenty of potential you kidding me that's an awesome Dynamic this is excellent we don't we don't even have a new character to bind to we just have loads of things to explore it's like give me that juicy dialogue we need the Brock game we need Brock yes but if it helps these two find peace this is a temporary Alliance memir anything beyond that would require trust oh please you know damn well Kratos isn't the true cause of your suffering you're both as much a part of my suffering as anyone my spell I can feel it slipping yeah in case anybody's not familiar mummy is the one that brokered the marriage between Freya and Odin which is the beginning of the end of Anaheim yeah so she has lots of resentment towards mimir as well as Kratos too happy about it either also I think this is a really good example of just I don't know what the [ __ ] happened with the audio like the line uh cue I guess Watch What Happens here be torn from the realm what can be done something I was hoping to avoid seems I don't have much like what the [ __ ] that must have happened that must happen though when you're still learning that you could transform into like a hawk or something but you can't like speak the same so you just start you think you're gonna keep carrying on but your body changes entirely change size and but they don't really she speaks exactly the same what she's saying yeah I guess so maybe she she's used to it now she knows how to pronunciate her I mean right so that's uh that's a that's a tough one but yeah just just so obviously to be more straightforward about it it's like she usually says Falcon but what Adventure becomes a bird this she went that plays a different audio thing of just yeah Blah Blah's like wait what I don't know how that happened because I couldn't possibly have interrupted it I I was walking as fast as possible you know what I mean like coming through a little like that was the game speed not mine it's this is the kind of shoddy craftsmanship that leads ginshin impact and Sonic Frontier that's what happens when they turn to go as fast as Sonic they just interrupted themselves if only I could speak as fast as Sonic the Hedgehog time no I discovered it once you unlocked realm travel and it solves very little this form is extremely limiting the riddle with no legs easy a nose a computer try harder than that but just you wait smart guy they must have withdrawn hidden themselves out in the wilds and covered their tracks with magic no way of knowing how many are left yeah the vanhymeans or whatever the [ __ ] you're gonna call them uh mannheimers [ __ ] ton of people we don't see any of them because they're all hiding away which is their way of trying to get away with this in swaddle time you see some dwarves where they mostly run away into their houses and then the other Realms like everyone's dead basically so their way of avoiding having to do lots of character model stuff but you know even in Asgard they try and make concessions on how they'll go about uh presenting people which isn't a spoiler everyone who you're going to see Asgard in this game at some point I didn't say how right what did you call the van air what did you call them the van yeah Savannah humblews that's something Brock would say yes Gotta Keep Your Vanna hymen intact until marriage so how to reach them [Music] you can thank mamir for that war with a bunny ear was never my idea my idea was proctoring the marriage to end it a great success that was obviously the piece was no less a disaster than the marriage maybe did he invade again as soon as I was exiled also if you find what was that sorry nothing nothing at all I legit have no idea that's all right I'm just enjoying the music we're having gay all time [Music] you find the laser which is laser be trash in this game yeah [Music] Brock's incredibly intimidating Battle Stance but he did a move where he like stunned and uh yeah I was like Brock stunning all three of them like he hits him once and he just stands there they know they know his power and they know they know [Music] just like I'm just I'm like I'm losing my [ __ ] at how easily you're killing these guys you don't know how difficult these things I played the game with no mercy mode I died many times this is easy super easy mode you know actually no mercy I think is the same as give me god of war with the exception of the that level up mechanic that I was telling you about where the enemies will just like kind of randomly level up and you can you can interrupt them out of it with a ranged attack or an elemental strike of some kind but it does make it so that you really need to you really have to keep an eye on the battlefield which um the camera doesn't help you with I know the difference the difference between no mercy and normal this already huge yeah that's what I figured out it was like that feels like there should be something in between almost everyone was playing this mode obviously the easiest is just I got hit like [ __ ] 25 times in the fight with um Thor just because I was I was half I had the controller in one hand basically I was trying to do something else and uh I was just getting surprised like [ __ ] I'm still not dead like I was Just Happening what do you mean though I remember your brother stirring up an awful scene why do you keep bringing him up my brother is no concern of yours do you understand oh I understand plenty listen I know how bad it can get with century and I were on the out so long it was like not having a brother at all now I take some of the ball for that on account of me walking out but it never stopped me blaming him most any of this sound familiar so far and what is your point my point is that weren't the end all of things after all once we got our heads right it was like he went straight back to being as big a pain in my ass as he ever was that's family you gotta keep them close before they make you good and crazy why do you think I need to hear any of this right now my focus is on regaining my freedom and I have no intention of being distracted look all I'm saying is if you happen to find yourself talking to your brother maybe the worst word said between you don't have to be the last one said enough when the day comes to face prayer again it will be when I am standing on my feet and free do you understand me it will not be while I'm stuck in this Preposterous situation got a case of Pride I get it hope yours clears up quicker than mine did a touching story that was by me you bite me you wish oh yeah that's one of the things I can still do seems like that really let you know what kind of character Brock is I'm gonna make fun of everybody but I am going to let you know that I care a lot about the situation in my own way and I'm trying to help you yep like he uh all of that was because he wants Freya and Freya to you know be friends and uh part of his investment in that is probably because he knows London lunda I keep misremembering uh you know that she's going to be a part of freya's Camp so it's going to be better if we can all sync up yeah he's just like he's kind of [ __ ] around he's kind of making fun but at the same time he's opening up an idea here that she's hoping she'll resonate with while mamir and Kratos are sort of just like hmm go ahead dude what did oddive everyone away what weapons did he make the dwarves build him how much was just mjolnir can one man do this much damage depends on the weapon give me a boost are you kidding me do you guys get to actually see that and see what it skipped out for me yeah it just depends on the weapon and the man yeah that's like an awesome moment the [ __ ] stupid ass video skipped out what are the odds to drive everyone away what weapons did he make the dwarves build him how much was just mjolnir can one man do this much damage depends on the weapon and the man give me a boost great happy that played properly that time for some reason decided to make a jump on that out of all the things that could have jumped on rude Jesus was like so heard you were looking at other pantheons yeah what's really doing yeah like why did you people think it was my editing could you see the loading signal that that's that's watched together okay not me we should probably go get him keep your guard up [Music] it's such a mellow reaction we have here oh one ice and another God to do his Dirty Work thought you busy maybe not so voting no picked a dangerous place besides seeing them all right no no no need for threats brother I know we probably should say I don't know if I'll remember it but just do you see his reaction the second he started hearing mamia talk yeah but immediately like oh great oh I know that voice you know I'd cut off your head but it seems somebody beat me to it I felt quite observant brother oh you're no brother of mine he sold my sister to that prick we broke it up peace oh did you know where is it [Music] and where is my sister some dungeon and Asgard even alive answer me a few things I like that the subtitle actually changes Credit in the middle of scenes when you discover who the person is he was Vania stranger and then he turned into Freight yeah I like the him getting closer to Mamiya not necessarily to hurt him criticus like back the [ __ ] up buddy yes my friend yeah nobody gets to touch him yeah get your own I guess we'll settle for blood um also really once again great first impression of the actor for this character like absolutely yeah man it feels like whoever his sister is a real kiss about him obviously we know who it is I'm just saying like it's uh them eyes stop why do you speak in her voice it's me Envy there's no time to explain just listen these men are in my service I'm here to reclaim what's been taken from me it's too late you can undo what's been done I can I will now let them pass [Music] so you serve my sister oh uh don't we are put them down what's with leaving me hanging like that you crusty egg okay blubber kill me here well found who I was looking for think I'm gonna stay and catch up oh are you now do as you wish brother if you wouldn't mind I'd have a word with Lord Fair sorry we got off on the wrong foot there stranger I'm pretty used to only seeing aceier in these parts I typically get friendly faces that is a friendly face name is Kratos and no yes yeah we've been occupied since yeah I lost count what is your plan I still got working on it not that I think I could be of use here if my council is welcome I'll take what I can get your mission will go considerably smoother Without Me In the Mix come back for me when you're done hey Kratos as long as you're working for my sister careful you don't screw up she's not too big on forgiveness a bit late for that one I'm afraid oh boy you don't even want to know all right let's see what we've got here um you're looking at it what you fight against Odin's Army well six if you count the dog oh [ __ ] very very important oh numbers movements outposts we have good Intel just short on help I see well my let's have a look at the map then now that the distractions are out of the way I have words if you would hear them speak then with anger you feel for your brother I know it well my brother his name was demos when we were boys obsessed with prophecy the gods of my old man seldom left survivors so by the time I learned he had lived it was too late for amends his anger poisoned him against me but I never stopped loving my brother you think my anger is irrational you've known freyja for a mere moments and already you're taking his side I am not taking it no you're just sharing your thoughts on a subject you know nothing about an ancient yeah that to me feels like a repeat almost of what she did with atreus where she's like okay fine yes I'll hear you out and the more he talks the more Angry she gets and then she'll just yeah she goes for what is essentially the worst possible interpretation of what he's saying and I think that's deliberate like she does it a couple of times in these conversations this is uh something cool that happens you come across an ancient and I'm going to show you what happens when you do well against it versus [ __ ] it's a wonder I've had such difficulty killing you and I need both ways just indicative of how much he does not like that you're alive yeah okay obviously you knew what to do so [ __ ] I know what you're doing trying to play on my sympathies and the hope I let you live I am only trying to help the mistakes of the past need not be repeated I don't need to hear about your neighbors I've made enough of my own thanks everyone is so eager to advise me as if any of you know me or what I need the biggest loss in my life is due to you saving me when I specifically told you not to well it was my family my mess I know Bulger wasn't perfect but he was mine I know you know you think you can even begin to understand the pain of losing a child yes there was another before atreyas the name was Calliope Calliope crashed to the ground what happened it was long ago I shouldn't have asked it's one of them like moments when you're playing this or someone who's a good family entire Series this is like oh my God are we about to acknowledge his old family thank you yes holy [ __ ] he said the words Calliope yeah it feels uh a little intense because it's just like he doesn't open up about this stuff okay with basically anybody he's talking to someone he's trying to gain the trust of who lost their kids so it just you know they waited and I feel like they've earned their place with him talking about this absolutely it's uh I was so happy when they started talking about it it's just like man that was like one of those random Goosebump moments that I didn't expect personally so I was like oh [ __ ] he's talking about this I thought we would never hear about that but yeah we'll get more here in a second likewise the demos though it's uh the the biggest moment with Calliope like aside from obviously her her role in the first game was um in chains of Olympus the like the other PSP spin off the radio Don made where it's the the tap X to let go of your daughter's hand right right an Elysium thing yeah it's a it's it's pretty good yeah if you know if she tried to need limb again but it [ __ ] up she was like gonna call the card of like I've been through suffering more than you have and it's supposed to say Taylor's like you haven't [ __ ] like you have the even she was like oh [ __ ] and then yeah it develops a little further I know you should know my daughters in the service of a cruel God I was tricked into destroying a village not knowing my own wife and child were there until their blood stained by hands I swore Revenge that's I can't imagine I paid back their blood a thousand times and burned Olympus to the ground yet the guilt remained perhaps you will kill me prayer but it will bring you no peace Perhaps it is not peace I seek all those times I found you why'd you refuse to fight me every outcome would mean defeat what does that mean I have never wished you harm prayer you helped us you saved atreus when he was sick I did not wish to live with killing you any more than I wished to die I've seen so good oh yeah it's just this impossible position that he's been stuck in for the past like three years and it's not been fun for him I used to play hide and seek with Freya in the crops we'll spend afternoon stealing honey bread from the grand hall at Harvest Time We Dance and feast until the sun rose it's all so simple why did I want to come back here and be reminded of all this it wasn't enough what Otis did to me he's desecrated every memory I have of home be glad you have a home to remember fondly in Sparta we were taken from our homes as children and raised in the igoiji we March through we drowned but for scraps are starved our elbows beat us till we could not stand at night we made our way home you notice how I realized how [ __ ] loud that was so I was like well I guess I'm just gonna stand here while he says this instead because I don't want to [ __ ] ruin it alone over food for wolves yum is how Spartans are made well considering how Spartans are made it's no wonder you turned out as you did your fate was sealed they can be overcome I used to think so when the noise told me of my son's faith I thought I could change it you know well how that worked out the Lawns the fates of these Lambs that's right you defy prophecy at your own peril yeah all these pieces of dialogue they're all like revealing pieces more of Kratos and history is making more sympathetic to Freya but at the same time you know it we could still generate slight pieces of conflict it's like Agreements are coming out of conflict and it's just stuff to talk about because they've got to do something on their way to getting uh their uh they're free from a curse and so all it's going to do is what it always does it just gradually humanizes uh him to her and uh it's it's that like they're talking about all of the things you're probably going to want to aim for them to talk about but they didn't like rush it they've gotten onto these topics through a lot of it is her bitterness that he doesn't understand that she's been wronged intensely but he totally does I also think that her telling or him telling her about his past in order to give her a bit of a sense about what he's gone through and what his history is like is it also kind of achieves the same goal of like reminding us that like yeah this guy is a a Spartan who who grew up in the way that you seem like that I don't know the things that like the beginning of 300 where they'd look at the babies and decide if they're gonna throw them off the The Cliff or not and then they when they're pre-teen they send them out into the woods and they they do that whole thing where they come back as Spartans or not at all and it's like ah man like it's it's nice to be reminded of that every now and then and to think of how cool it is that he then became the god of war and is now in Norse mythology like it's all it's all really really cool stuff Grace would agree with you about prophecy you must just blindly to her faith the Giants were told disappears for two days trying to prove he is their Champion favorite to find a Ragnarok what I know all the Ragnarok prophecies there's no champion of the Giants it is one claw concealed because of this Champion the Realms are saved at Ragnarok only as God Falls Odin's obsession with every detail of Ragnarok he's been missing a personal piece well done growing the trace will not be some uh some fun thought once you get further along haha Odin doesn't know this secret prophecy you still stand against Faith even with Victory foretold I will not March my son to war he is no Spartan if I would keep it that way you would speak to me of protecting your child is my tragedy not enough of a lesson fighting fate is a waste of the precious time we're given to spend with them you never know when [Music] foreign [Music] I think yeah part of this play is during the fight with neathog but I decided to uh I've chopped that one up mainly for its story so there's no musical mode yeah good stuff Ragnarok will not bring back what you have lost any more than killing me my limit for enlightened platitudes from you today can you please just shut up and kill things can be seen as funny but telling creators of all people that [ __ ] man yeah you told me to kill a game what I killed to protect my son to Aid my friends but I will be no one's monster never again you don't get to make that choice not with the debt you owe me I am not here for deaths I will always have helped you so much has been taken from me and I'm just supposed to let it all go enough and that to me is the Crux of her entire emotional [ __ ] turmoil is I'm supposed to I gotta do something in response to what you did I have to uh and everything that's happened to me but part of what's interesting about what's happened to her is that one of the things for example that made a commit to going for Kratos is like okay so I gotta get that Warrior's Spirit back and she did and it's like the the ability to actually harm again and that was one of the bigger reasons why she wasn't getting involved in anything it's like also I really want to [ __ ] kill him but I can't bring myself to yet you know what I can use him to get access to the other curse that prevents me from traveling the Realms and of course if I break that then I'm almost back to like full power and it's like everything that was restricting a pathway that related to getting revenge on Kratos has already opened up a lot for her and it's starting to become like a thing of course you're just gonna kill him because what it just it just feels like you should like there's some kind of obligation well yeah like what exactly is it that's motivating you the longer that this conversation it's pretty apparent right the longer the conversation goes on the more her will to continue with that Quest is being whittled away because again it's just more information that we contextualizes who Kratos is instead of just this basically this uh thin um like I said instead of being able to view him simply as um like the entity that was responsible for balder's death instead it's oh this is like a person and all of this history explains so much about who he is and how he operates especially the Greek backstory world tree roots found in Odin's damn now come on I was expecting a payoff if he helps to break him apart which he doesn't even want help to do it you know but he's like nope suddenly Godzilla is like oh God yeah her [Music] pretty cool I think it's epic as [ __ ] but she has a boot form tears out the vanheim Restriction turns back into Warrior mode and then [ __ ] helps you it's so cool foreign [Music] all right foreign [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] I got it [Music] is it done [Music] it's over that's that's really over and now that you have what you seek I suppose this is the point where I forgive you kill you forgive them yay have you decided I really love the choice what he does with the ax is an implication of I'm not going to let you kill me so yep that's the decision what are we gonna do here to be honest I don't think I can do either there's still a part of me that is so angry then it'll always be [Music] it'll always be angry no you are not the one who needs to die I do see that I almost want to try and break it up a little bit because there's so much to say otherwise but yeah everything we've been talking about all that argumentation basically she's just she's at the point where she's forced to make the decision and it just makes no sense at all to kill him at this point especially with uh he's got almost everything back now if she's got a team of people now we've got access like killing Odin stopping Odin it's a potential now because brought up she was like you know I can't I can't do anything with Odin hopefully Ragnarok takes care of him but now that's not true and it's like are we really going to use everything we've just gotten to kill Kratos or should it maybe now your focused turn on someone else and it just looks like that that's that's what really tipped her over being like all this effort I've put into in terms of killing you has granted me access to everything I need to do what I think is actually important yeah uh see the rest of this I think that's happened between us no need to explain not to me um not for that prayer and last we spoke I was no you were right to distrust the word of a god no need to explain not to me not for that oh I forgot about that I will dude that's one of my favorite callbacks oh it's it I even said the why it stuck out to me is it didn't quite feel like Kratos dialogue to say not to me not for that but it's because he's repeating back to what she said to him is [ __ ] great I just found it great on its own already we'll keep him that's a mother's promise they won't happen again I promise you see that it does not I do not regret saving your life and never will the choice between life and death should have been yours to make I should not have robbed you of that choice [Music] what a [ __ ] scene yeah that that's Psy there at the end he's like yeah um obviously yeah pretty big character Arc there what's happening is that that is years of weight that is now finally lifted and I think exactly a huge part of why she's so capable of moving on now is that he told her exactly what her problem was he understands yes why is she so [ __ ] pissed Beyond obviously the death of his son um yeah uh and phenomenal performances once again and what a great callback how much you guys care about the story that came before good job is that it presents it presents a more honest uh sort of answer to the question that the story essentially raises which is like will fryer forgive him and then as as though it's a binary right like Credo said forgive or kill him it's like it's a little more complicated than that she's angry and she's upset and she can feel that way and she can still find a way to push forward and like move forward and Forge something with Kratos and conversely Kratos made a choice um a choice that he believes to be right in terms of saving uh her life but then there's also the recognition of what exactly it is that's like the breach from her perspective you know one of them anyway um and just acknowledging that it's just I I like it for that if it was like it's it's uh it's meaningful it's mature you know in terms of what it has to say it's um it's what connects uh Freya and Kratos a lot uh and Boulder this is all these um impossible positions superpositions that they all seem to maintain which is very human like I yep uh one of the ones you can talk about as a connection would be that she refused to let Boulder know how to undo the spell because she absolutely cannot let him die but at the same time She [ __ ] hates that he's suffering and hates that he hates her she still maintained it right up until he died um of course Kratos being like like it's so obvious if you were with creators you'd be like so you don't want to die but you're not gonna kill her like you understand that you're gonna have to make a choice eventually and all he's been doing for these past few years is desperately reaching a point where he doesn't have to make that choice again and again and again so tense so overwhelmingly frustrating and and yeah this is the moment where he finally doesn't have to worry about that anymore um yeah and that's what that site is it is a sigh of relief of relief yeah exactly and um an interpretation that was added on that I didn't even necessarily think about after I saw an interview was that uh what they told him to motivate him to make this sigh as well as everything else is happening is Kratos knowing uh that she's just made a decision that he very well not might be able to make yeah could he ever forgive the person who killed his son and he's so relieved that she could I say forgive whatever is happening here it's a very complicated emotional state between these two and uh her expression when he explains what he regrets uh just yeah this is uh and I feel like they took their time but I'm gonna prompt you because you're not saying as much but what did you think Theo I believe you had a controversial opinion on this at least to me at one point okay smart move opinion um trying to meet my position regarding the resolution of this well uh whatever opinion you currently have I'm not actually because like when you first told me it sounded controversial maybe it is maybe it is I don't know what do you think okay I don't really have a my opinion just pretty much aligns with yours at this point because I thought at first that it was happening a bit too fast like I was kind of just watching through it I was kind of dumbstruck by how quickly everything happened progressing from freya's various emotional states to the next to the point where she's willing to fully like be on side as it were but we've talked about that and yeah I don't know if that really there's plenty of reason to inform why things progress at this pace I think I don't blame anybody for necessarily coming to that conclusion it's that Freya is uh is a [ __ ] giant washing machine a blender of emotions mainly being Fury uh and so a lot of how she gets through this sequence is uh she's snapping from one sort of like approach to another like because freyr is a very kind and caring person but at the same time he's got it in her head that this [ __ ] needs to die and so she keeps like oscillating between trying to accept and understand and listen but also just every time he triggers her with any possible bad understanding or interpretation she bites his head off but you know she's finally forced to really make that decision and that's what we got um yeah I think uh This Moment ranked pretty high for you right for any until some other moments happened like this was uh so yes up until this point this is one of my well I mean I mean I would say it's one of my favorite moments in the game the problem is that when I say one of my favorites there's a pretty big list at this point here this year our moments are really like um I kind of said it before but I uh think that they did a fantastic job with Freya um like she's one of the best characters in this game when I say one of the best I mean like she is competing for she is competing for a super duper high up spot on that part of um why yeah I mean we've kind of looked at it only from uh hearing Curtis's relationship what's going on for her here is that for many years Odin has just had complete control over it played like a puppet took everything from her by using her it's been a nightmare especially when we get more information on the side quest uh she when she said get out of me I think she's referring not just to the roots as part of the artist roots in her life essentially that like so much of her current situation is controlled by him this person that she absolutely hates yeah um she's she's regaining her freedom and autonomy is what a [ __ ] noise yeah because that's what here and Freya were talking about vaguely is that the vanheim needs leadership and help and she hasn't been able to offer that this whole time to the point where uh as she said in the 2018 game it's like the Vania hater because she betrayed them as far as they're concerned but she's been desperate to try and get back to him because and that's the thing she loved his son his son was with Odin his son was an Asia it's a got a lot to have to deal with oh it's also wanted to point out again I said it a lot during my streams and everything but they had they they had the choice to just disregard basically the the original trilogy and the other games as like these silly fighting games with that character I feel like that's been dropped by now but people really did push that sentiment that they find these games frustrating because they don't seem to like their origin their history which I can't say that yeah the comparison to make is with the last of us too that game hates like [ __ ] you for ending this way we're gonna change it yeah it's strange to recontextualize things so that you see it in a different light yeah and the way they do it here where they take these parts that are like really important to create this character and everything uh and integrating it in this game and make it super meaningful and we get it like something like this where he actually talks about Calliope and dmos and what's been happening and it's like I was really impressed I did that they just didn't make a yep make a laughing stock of what came before it and they just put it in there and it's really good and I I'm a big fan of that and uh I think it's worth mentioning because it was so well accentuated by uh fringy's particular playthrough with this but I think it's just a straight up mistake they shouldn't have had you unlock the amulet right after this happens now if you remember in the opening it's like her theme when she's attacking Critters right now we're doing the uh like it's really soft and slow to try and imply like yes we finally got there if I could hardcore halts would you pick up the you it's right in front of you it's a Fresh Circle to pick up the and it's like you've unlocked the amulet oh it's like it's like no not now calm down do this like slightly later let this let the song Settle let this let it all settle don't do the thing it's like it's just barging it like hello mechanics what's up everybody video game here I suppose it's time to Facebook I chopped it out because it's okay oh okay going into the uh what we were talking about a moment ago about you know the old game and recognizing those this game seems to pull kind of like the opposite of what Marvel does where this game is willing to I mean it understands it's building off of something it needs that old thing to kind of have this thing and it's kind of accepting the baggage along with that and then working with it instead of just trying to have it both ways the best attitude towards repairing your story I think you can absolutely possibly have you have to just be like that is my history that is what I'm building on take me seriously or don't I'm using it um you know in a respectful manner in a way that I'm acknowledging what it is um it's interesting too because uh it you know arguably this game is incomplete without more awareness of what happens in 2018 but as many people will say who played the whole franchise like you're missing out if you don't play the first three before this game too which is like Jesus Christ really it's like yeah how much to draw it's it's honestly why it still to me sucks that most of these games are best played on PS3 because the only the only god of war game that is from the original series that you can even play right now on a modern console is the God of War 3 remaster right yeah because I've got I've now got everything up to that uh ready to play on PS3 I think I've got two copies of God of War 3 now one on PS3 and one that's remastered ready to play on PS5 if I wanted to yeah yeah four or five it's some it's still like this franchise is earned My Worship to some degree at this point yeah like owning two copies of it I was like that's fine that's fine I'm fine yeah and after that I don't know been a long time since I've had a choice let me live with that for a moment your brother seemed open to your return oh I'm sure he'd love nothing more than for everything to go back to how it was leaving the responsibilities of leadership to me it's not as though I want to be angry with freyr he's my brother he was the most important person in the world to me for half my life wait skull and hottie are in banaheim learned the Giants rescued them from Odin and brought them here sunlight wakes to sleep beautiful now a far cry from the sheets of midgard snow I've grown accustomed to so much has happened since I last saw freyr I'm not even sure where to begin what do you want from him an apology would be a start I want to forgive him I'd like to think he's changed he's all I have left now what I'll say is that um a lot of why this meeting next is going to be meaningful is in over like cutscene dialogue but a lot of it is in lore pickups to find out like what freyja and freyja mean to each other how they got to the positions they're in and one of the bigger elements is just that during alphheim which you you heard pieces of um you know Freya finds out that Freya forgive my accent because it's hard to tell the difference um the the the there was uh the marrying after Odin and whether or not he believed his sister was in trouble so he left alphheim don't see what he could do about it he was uh attacked ridiculed and burned by the Acer and booted out presumably and so he's been trying to generate a resistance and maintain it while believing that something horrible may have happened to her as you as you heard what he said to uh Mamiya is she in one of Odin cells is she even alive um so you know she feels like he didn't turn up at all when that's that's that's her brother so where was he why didn't he ever come to Mid God why didn't you find out what happened to her and so there's a lot of stuff going on between them and so a conversation between them is a long time coming is kind of what I'm getting at and even Kratos is like you asked a pretty good question what do you want from that conversation what are you what are you looking to to find from him and since she's in human form yeah it is difficult to seek forgiveness when you feel unworthy forgiveness can be powerful even for the Unworthy my wife Faye taught me that well be glad you have a spouse to remember fondly which is a pretty neat pullback he said be glad you have a code remember yeah all my former spouse taught me was that there's no limit to the depth to which a soul can sink into darkness oh burning wasn't related to The Burning was before the wedding really um because that's the one thing I was actually confused about was the burning I wanted to know more exactly what happened because the way everyone describes it is like he was set on fire but presumably it wasn't lethal because he's alive so it's just uh I I wasn't all I know is the the the main parts obviously is that they've spent a lot of time apart from each other and they both feel like the other didn't do enough uh depending on whether other station they were in but um yeah I need to um Refresh on the uh on the law pieces on that one as well he taught the magic and got burned and then there was war is that what started the war again I'd have to read all of the things that's one of the things I I didn't include in this set of uh I didn't even include the notes Kratos has on like Odin and Thor and stuff um I don't think we would be able to finish this in any sense of a timely manner um they attacked him because the he tried to teach them to grow crops and it didn't work they sucked at it so they set him on fire dude the thing is uh I think it was mentioned by Mamiya that Heimdall burned uh Durling so I guess that's a uh the way they like to punish people me into marriage to spare my home and took my home just the same scattered my people to the wind maybe it's time somebody drew the line like salt on a table maybe it's time someone makes grow as prophecy come true I will not wish for Warfare war is a terrible thing Kratos but some things are even worse the God of War doesn't want war they've ruined him out that's pretty [ __ ] of War soy of God of soy ragnac right there yeah [ __ ] a rock you know if atreus rushes to Ragnarok you may not be able to stop him I will and if you fail I have prepared him to survive without me if he must is there an implication there that he's gonna stop him or die trying I would assume so yeah and that he's comfortable with the idea that he likely will because of the prophecy thing which is pretty cool as conflict he keeps denying prophecy as a thing but he at the same time is clearly trying to prepare for the fact that it's true mm-hmm um though I suppose it's good to prepare regardless yeah you never know what's gonna happen it really is you you returned to us at last yes uh let's celebrate you reclaim the throne will rebuild me and you against the world huh just like the old days I'm not staying I don't understand maybe together we can take back what's ours I only just got back what's mine I still have work to do you 've seen what's left of the realm right that we really mean that little to you your question my loyalty vanheim turned its back on me oh you still can't let go of that old fight it was my duty to save as many of our people as possible my responsibility one you didn't take seriously then and from the looks of it one you don't know you think this is a game to me yeah he lost thing to that Maniac you called husband the Man's family set me on fire how did you expect me to react like my brother like the boy that used to have my back no matter what and who I always supported no matter how selfish is choices I expected you come and find me that no matter how hurt or angry you wouldn't Freya please [Music] I thought you were dead yeah I've had those lifetimes but doesn't last awful words I said to you [Music] have any idea what that's like knowing that your own selfishness hurt the person that you cared about the most [Music] oh Freya I mourned you oh I missed you so much [Music] and I hear anything [Music] but I won't find myself to another realm when I finally have my freedom foreign I'll send help though [Music] and I will come back [Music] this hasn't been your home for a long time has it dude you gotta do all right all right that's enough hey y'all got nothing better to do than gawk in a family sort and squabbles come on you two what a [ __ ] legendary way of being able to turn the tone to a different direction yep it's uh it's one of the things I try to talk about when I was talking about how you how you move tones like when you have a character that's expected to to cut tone like almost every time he's in a scene it's like almost like a cheat code but it's um highly expected Brock what a legend but anyway and they gave it enough time to breathe you know like they finish their thing they had like a moment and you have like another five to ten seconds or whatever what happens in real life like when someone's having that level of a [ __ ] like domestic you sort of people will watch it listen because it's like man it's just like TV and then he's just like he's been through it many times in his own fact but he's like stop [ __ ] watching I'm just staring it's weird move yeah or at least can you look can you look like you're not staring at them at least like at least try not to look awkward he's uh this is what I mean he's you might be like what a cloud he's [ __ ] around so he's like uh Brock's doing this because he cares about him he wants them to uh you know have their moment and not be stared at and blah blah blah it's a private thing but yes um well thoughts on that scene anybody anyone anyone I think I think that that what an excellent use of time you know we gotta we got a lot and not a lot of time um elaborate about their relationship how they feel about each other the reasons that the reasons why each of them feels the way that they do ultimately how happy they are to be back together and that she took all that advice to Heart along the way that uh Freya got from uh Brock and uh uh Kratos I quite like the um the dynamic change and how Justified they were right the the opening of just hey how you doing we haven't seen each other in a while and it's totally like are we are we gonna ignore all the [ __ ] we have to deal with maybe we are woohoo yay when she's like well okay anyway bye because I gotta go sort someone out at a different place and he's like oh gee you're doing you're doing that again huh that's just that's what you do you don't really care about about all of us and then she's like [ __ ] really you gotta go there and so it moves into like the just the bitterness and [ __ ] on him for drinking yeah and [ __ ] on each other for not being in the places they probably should have been but like you can tell the turning point in the conversation is when he admits uh his his own flaws led to hurting someone he cares about so much and it's like uh oh parallels he's already said sorry as well and so yeah uh and both the actors uh putting in quite a bit of effort there at least yeah I can't just the most important is enough and each other know how much they care about each other that's what's that's the truth they were worried about each other not giving a [ __ ] but the truth is they really really did it's just really bad circumstance so yeah uh I think they did a pretty good job as rag said with the limited time they had to get us from all that [ __ ] they had to sort out to it practically being sorted out yeah just because there's bits of information yeah neither of them knew something important about the other in terms of what happened and why which feels appropriate given everything that we just had in that that segment before between Kratos and Freya and the greatest yep there were parallels everywhere they're running around there aren't many parallels because it's like poetry it really rhymes it does Rhyme though I remember where to look for a Gateway follow me well you two seem to be getting nonsense completing your mission dear I hope this Alliance has some staying power after all it seems to me we share a common enemy Kratos you may not accept that Ragnarok is inevitable but you're smart enough to know Odin is a threat whatever comes next our best chance of surviving it is to work together do you agree I do you can imagine staying under the same roof as a couple former enemies no final Temptations towards terrible Vengeance not against you either of you you have my word so it's true tears really alive all right not exactly shipshit he sleeps in a broom closet now but he's adjusting how did you find him lovely that's down to express having figured out how to access the prophecies Giants reserved for their own kind we only land of it ourselves after Thor and Odin Came Calling to your home is it still standing Billy but all the violence was seemingly just a distraction to let Udin have a private one with a trace Odin was alone with your son did he tell you what they spoke of yeah said that Odin invited him to Asgard to help him find his answers he answers he's rushing into fate and Sutter that's troubling well brother before you see the lad again might we discuss an approach he will tell me where he has been that is my well so I do have a question then in terms of all of this how much is there anything in here for all of the optional Freya stuff I'm afraid that is an absolute zero we're gonna have to bring it up from memory because I didn't I barely have the time to get us all the story stuff yeah well the the short version if we're gonna the short version is if there is a ton of material and vanheim oh yeah for Freya it also obviously works for credits and the Menace since they're there it's a um it's an example of something that this game does which they didn't do in 2018 which is filling the side content in the story with a lot of meaningful character work and you know and plot developments not necessarily directed like very you know like not inextricable from the main plot um but definitely fuels uh a lot of that because what we get specifically with Freya is a uh a fairly extensive um side quest that delves into damn the problem is that like the details are gonna be a bit vague it was the it was uh to do with her wedding vows with Odin and uh and then retrieving the sword yeah yeah it's it's uh that's a really great side quest that gives us so much information on Freya and how she perceives the relationship that she had with Odin and basically finding a way to take that to take all of the the um essentially the traumas of that relationship and try to move past it and become stronger yeah um it's really great it filters into my perspective of that character in the main quest and it really feels like if you're not doing the side content you are missing out on a huge portion of what the game has to offer narratively which makes it our job to try and summarize as best as I can from my memory she he discovers a bunch of items that relate to a history with Odin and as she finds and destroys them um she tells stories about how gradually over the time she you know was was married to Odin it started out pretty okay and there was something there he wasn't like the worst thing ever um but she describes a lot of things that were very obsessive about him and strange and then how the people of Anaheim they were still pretty loyal and you find a couple of spirits that are like oh my god I've been waiting for freyr and here she is then you also find like the equivalent of Norse graffiti of people being like Freya betrayed us she'll never come back that sort of thing um and and then she says like Anaheim as time went on and she I think she said once Boulder was born vanheim basically turned their back on it they were like she's done she's out she's not one of us anymore and um all she never stopped thinking about them sort of thing and Odin's influence and the connection made in Aid of trying to broker a piece eventually caused a much worse War to take place and uh she was unable to do as much to protect or even speak to the people of Anaheim but yeah eventually you gain access to the sword and uh she tries to yank it out of its inner Stone it's very King Arthur he does a spell and tries to open it Khan tries really hard can't and then she basically says this sword was meant to represent like the bonding of her and Odin and she says he had a line something like the deepest wounds create the strongest bonds or something like that um implying of course that all the damage he did to him makes it so that it's almost impossible to get him out of her which is a development of what we saw earlier um but she comes around to accepting the sword is almost representative yes of the bond she had with Odin which was more than just poisonous it wasn't just bad it also bound her into being the queen of Asgard which means she shouldn't be so headlong obsessive into destroying asgarden Odin there are people there who are innocent and technically that she's responsible for and so she says what this sword used to represent is no longer what its Legacy is like going to be it is an incredible parallel to the blades of chaos and Kratos and it gives you just enough information that's gonna come back and be very important in one of the final payoffs of this game in terms of what happens in Asgard it's kind of the reason why it's like it's so important to engage with all of this side concert and plus as well like you mentioned it before right but as you're exploring uh Anaheim Kratos is helping uh Freya like free this the The Souls of uh like you know deceased Vania and and just doing all of these things and a lot of the time when you complete them you get a very sincere thank you from Freya to Kratos for helping her do these things like all of that fits into basically my assessment of these characters is that Kratos is going out of his way to do these favors for these people and way less so in this game than before like the the pretenses is really starting to drop he's not doing it to get you know resources he's doing it to help people he wants to help people and by the end of that Side Story uh they've talked a lot about each other in their past and she on your way out of that area she says I appreciate you becoming like my new Confidant basically yeah yeah there's also a great moment that I should have included but like I said it didn't have the time as you're exiting I think the main sort of story payoff for that side quest Mamiya says very sincerely thank you for saving me and it feels so strong as a payoff in terms of just uh he was never going to there's never been a great opportunity to say that to you because uh the the relationship everything sharing has been so [ __ ] abrasive and toxic he never got to say because if you remember when they first meet in 2018 she spits on it and it's face yeah um and he even says if I knew that the witch in the woods was Freya like I wouldn't have suggested this yes um but at this point yeah it feels like enough sort of a bridge has been built that he just finally says thank you for saving my life uh and it's just yeah you get a Reconciliation between at that point I was so just overblown with how you took her from being this violent psycho that's trying to end my life into one of my like closest friends as the protagonist like good job hmm and it's all done with these uh pieces of history that relate to each other they they share a hell of a lot of the suffering they've both been through you know but yes that's you get all of that um you can go home before or after that it's up to you and as I said like it's just when you see that level of we didn't talk about the mamia one we can at a certain point no all right we are we are at seven hours and we're only at Freya joined the team so yeah button diplomacy I but surely the lives got worse but surely the lad's got more sense than don't underestimate Odin's powers of persuasion he filled my son's head with lies why wouldn't he do the same with yours you were gone for two days also the another character might have said uh you don't think he she would place the blame on Odin for being tricky not on atreus for being stupid yeah and it's just planting in craters his head more and more doubt about atreus's motives and potential to be tricked secrets you sound just like father side are you on whose side I don't know what does it even mean to be on your side right now how do I know you won't be running off the Asgard next if I did at least I'd be somewhere I could make a difference now that is crazy talk that is the craziest of all possible talks why Odin had the chance to kill me but he didn't he offered to teach me maybe if I had more answers I could prevent prevent what what is this about it doesn't matter just let it go okay you better screw his head back on and I mean tightly so your baby just walk in are you ready to answer me about what where did you go did you see what's it loaded what I really like how atreus was just having a pretty raised argument with someone British walks in and Trace is like oh hey you're back hey as if as if everything's chill it's like things are not [ __ ] chill dude far from it are you gonna say to my Mark I did I heard things oh no I just I I was making a joke said oh hi Dad wow you can't take this game seriously you're like a Marvel fan oh my God very true they don't know it's Mark's Marvel humor get him out of here I'll be doing this oh I think do you deny it answer me did you go to Asgard no of course not but so what if I did it's my future it's my life you are my son then why don't you trust me if you want me to trust you then tell me the truth the truth is you're being a complete [ __ ] logic you know that's no way to change a man's mind he doesn't have any faith in me it's fine if he keeps Secrets it's fine if mom did that is not fine her Secret's hard to be stuck with this path oh okay so you don't believe in her anymore either this is not about your mother what you have done is lie wonder where I learned that that's quite enough since when do you always take his size if he became no one making sense that is such a like we've already hit it before but that is that is when the mirror is [ __ ] pissed yeah yeah barely ever hear that Toad from him look at that face yeah and it's especially chilled with her Trails mostly but now yeah it's going like absolutely out of control he's like you're not making any sense well especially if body language really sells it true um but also uh you if if you are ever wondering why it is my mirrors especially angry you're about to get the answer I was only thinking about going to Odin but I swear it's for a good reason there is no good reason to go to Odin he'll only Cloud your mind but I'd be going for us I gotta stop something bad from happening something bad did happen look at me at Freya a tear oh didn't did this to us what's got everyone caterwauling all of a sudden atreus wants to go to Asgard Asgard you kicked in the head or something great I guess everybody's against me now you're going to be are you going to continue to lie and keep things from me or are you my son choose I never get to choose just leave me alone listen let go of me just try to keep control everybody uh hitting a syndrie is not a cool okay yeah no that's a very big very upset me and my stream is sad once cutsy was over I was like how dare you [ __ ] yeah um yeah ended his um he's got control of the wolf but the bear is not controlled no not at all not now uh pretty great because that means Kratos was still letting him make the choice himself he didn't Sprint calling him boy yeah oh yeah it means a hell of a lot but yeah I I actually I think it's worthwhile to mention that Credo still lets him make that choice yeah that's really important he's a really good dad just um disappointed you know it's uh it's all those trust issues they build it up build it up and then they're causing trust issues yeah lots of Hell Walkers definitely a midgard this is just an editing mistake don't worry about it oh okay if I go to Asgard following the prophecy where father ends up dead If I Stay locked up at home there's nothing I can do to stop it I guess in Asgard I could at least keep an eye on Odin he's fine find out his plan keep control of this it's okay buddy what like he helped the turtle the tortoise yeah really cold and he helped him out yep think he's here for me I'll be okay I think okay [Music] I'm ready take me to him he was at this point when I was editing and I was like good God I'm really gonna have to start cutting because uh yeah it's getting so long and we're not even like it's still so much story left a lot of a lot of flames thank you also the [ __ ] Asgard soundtrack yeah he's a good one dude also just as God you you didn't get to see it shot but the Vista yes Vista is a glorious oh yeah the beautiful and and uh there's a commentary almost every time you enter a realm they talk about what thimblew winter has done to it in svato time it's the the gas and the almost noxious elements in the earthquakes in Anaheim it's like an extreme humidity in um obviously a mid guard and the others but as God is like protected Odin has seen Twitter the fimbal winter hasn't like destroyed it um yeah so it's nice and warm beautiful yeah it's like oh I'm just getting my bangs well there's not gonna see this way except the big wall is there a gate to go through nope not unless you're an aceier God but I guess you know that if you were an AC or God me no I'm from Edgard what no [ __ ] me too I'm skilled here lucky hang on are you all from midgard yep the uh All fathers say this from the desolation gave us a safe place to settle but we don't go in there can't get into the city unless you know Magic you you don't know magic do you a little bit yeah what no [ __ ] do you walk through walls not yet ah couldn't I just climb over it can't make my thumb disappear whoa no aren't you afraid of dying oh yeah I mean look at that [Music] but oh no wait you know the all father um sort of his Apprentice no [ __ ] what is he teaching you I'm not sure well how many other students I don't know how long you stayed you don't know okay I'm gonna go climb that wall now well This I Gotta See you need help I appreciate it but I gotta go alone oh I was gonna climb with you I may oh out in my in my foot I gonna fall forget I said anything well that's all very logistical stuff happening some of those lines are gonna come back but uh yeah of course it sets in motion that hey Odin saved these guys from mid God so you know it's a little bit to think about considering yeah he's got such a bad guest makes a second guess a bunch of things yeah what's that who can your guide who Odin's Raven you know from pretty good guy though not sure he'll know too much about climbing I feel like it's worth saying that we hear about hugin and moon and be in the uh the birds that can essentially cause realm travel but uh up to this point we only have a hear reference of hugin it's kind of strange yes well Loki you seem like a good guy I really hope I am not about to watch you die thanks me too the cheers you have a go back down oh no I didn't what happens oh yeah he's just like oh dude change your minds like no I just want to say goodbye properly or something along those lines because I get just like two sentences just kind of neat that it's in there yeah anyway new character to introduce here we go hello hello uh hi so what part of the enormous wall made you think oh visitors must be welcome I kind of want to point it out now because it's just something interesting but he does so much hand acting it's true yeah moves his hands around a lot what he speaks it's just a neat little flourish he's got not an animal Our Father King of the Asia possibly want with the likes of you that's between me and Odin so um I kind of I think I'm just gonna call it out now it's not exactly like a big old reveal he um he has like all seeing eyes and he specifically has the ability to read your intentions and like what you're thinking about um you can learn a lot about a person just by looking at their eyes so what's neat about this is he says why are you here he's like Odin sent for me and he says you know why would Odin send for you now that in a normal conversation would imply he doesn't believe a trace like no what's actually happening here is he knows he's not lying so he's asking him genuinely why would he send for you anything because I know he did but why then him saying that's between me and Odin look what he says in response can't draw it out of him because he doesn't actually know I think that's really deep like uh because it works both ways before you discover he has that power um but afterwards it makes even more sense [Laughter] I think you could pull me up or no I don't think I will I think maybe I'll drop you no no no no no no yes I'm going to drop you goodbye combat the all father's gonna be when when he finds out you killed his guest which is true yep the unit see his eye is kind of like moving sort of flickering in a way enemy of my people I am not your enemy the head tilt be like not sure about that buddy hmm I will be the judge of that what is your job I protect the realm I love from trouble and you think I'm trouble you just met me and I can already see you are eager to prove yourself way too eager probably due to an overshadowing father figure you can never live up to yes yeah because when I was playing it at this point I was like okay wow like the upon understanding I was like oh he literally knows that you can read it from your brain but also guess that you uh disrespect entitled and impulsive you don't know me which implies that that is something that atreus atreus thinks of himself yeah which is pretty hard to avoid considering what he just did yeah so it's not like knowing that about Atria uh atreus's character is you know this is it's not like he thinks I'm totally in the right I didn't do anything wrong I was pushed to this you know this one isn't on me there is definitely that element in him that Heimdall confirms very very uh chaotic character you could say at all oh you are here to help people hmm no no you are here to help yourself to manipulate and lie to whoever you have to to get what you want I know you're young your voice probably dropped while you were climbing the wall but what a twisted little soul you have you are chaos in a spiffy Archer suit I watch your mouth move and I see cities burning pretty interesting line isn't it yeah nothing good is going to come from you being an escrow if you ate the Our father and have no treacherous intent I guess that makes us allies wow that's almost as impressive as Bowser taming a dragon Alder had the luxury of not caring how badly he got I kind of like the idea that the reason Boulder of all people tamed the dragons because what was it gonna do kill him like he's not gonna do that it's not as impressive dominate them fair and square and yeah I love the idea that he says I dominate them fair and square when you're the person in this world that has the power you have like he sees it as hey I I sort them out without thinking them whoa are these all Easter Gods what you think all the ACR Gods but skilled or told me that only well if skilder told you clearly whoever that is must be the authority on Acer Gods Not the Ace of God you are currently talking to you literally know nothing of our culture do you I know lots of things I know a giant built that wall a giant built the wall that keeps out the Giants framether son of Dalmore I know the whole story really I truly cannot wait for you to Regale me with the revisionist tales of asgard's architectural history which is a pretty interesting set of lines to have we had a theory that uh a lot of the stories mamir and Freya would have told I doubt the the people and as God would appreciate them for their accuracy yeah like yeah okay sure and a lot of characters make reference to how like why do you believe these stories being told by people who hate us yeah it's really cool that they put this in here because of course they wouldn't say like oh yeah Odin did kill all these people of course he did like come on oh so this is another interesting moment too Palace do you think the all-father needs to Puff themselves up like some Mortal Chieftain I guess not that is the great lodge which the all-father built with his own hands I'm sorry if that is a letdown for you real power you see does not need to float it emerges when the time is right don't you agree it's a pretty meta line about Asgard everyone expects Asgard to be a particular way thanks to other media yeah yes this media was like no the the if you understand the Odin in this game he ain't gonna be building giant golden Towers would make sense yeah so uh it's almost like the game is trying to calm you down because a lot of people freaked out they were like ah where's my great Android I was actually still like at this point I was like maybe this is still a trickery I said maybe that's like uh maybe that's like a big old Palace somewhere but no that's that's it you discover a lot of Odin's character as presented is authentic to a degree uh and yeah he does not care to have golden Towers no he's still a nice place though like yeah yeah it's very cozy I mean I just pretty gorgeous I would say yeah especially for the time I think uh literally be cool to look around I'd go drink some meat there yeah hey wow I thought we were going to own it you see the thing is you too so I am not letting you anywhere near the old father who are that's right show me all of your stupid little tricks that was boring guess who's next you sure you want to keep up while they're waiting it's a funny thing I am sure yes I am feeling very sure matter of fact oh no sparrows ow here's some ass alive that didn't work I am really screwed now you're not gonna stop me from seeing Odie you'll be seeing him so the retort doesn't come out because I was in Wolf mode yeah I'll replay this now without the wolf just because I don't know how much I want to reward the game for making that happen but yeah that moment at race is supposed to say something back but I guess all you could do is Bach right now that is your big special move a real animal lover you like that the uh the special move made the arrow Bounce from Heimdall to the next Target which is gold topper at the time but that he says Wow real animal level like he's not even in the fight it's not gonna stop me from seeing Otis what that doesn't even make sense like I repeated it just to get the line out and that's his response yeah I mean I do have to say Loki I am profoundly unimpressed you should probably stay down great ah knock it off yay like it or not he's our father's guest I thought I smelled something take one more step you're not gonna like how this ends really and how do you intend to stop me look into my eyes you tell me oh very sick man [ __ ] this dead body yeah there's a pretty like little time we get with thought how much of an impression he makes yeah very imposing is what was what sorry the use of his theme there is right oh yeah and uh Expressions as well what does it get just be it like seriously try me I'm not in the mood he's never in the mood he's always upset it's so great just look in my eyes and you tell me and it's like yeah it should have at this point maybe give away what's going on with Heimdall but uh Odin's about to explain it and yeah having Odin arrived just being like hey Loki it's kind of it's kind of like okay okay all right we're just gonna not acknowledge you know what just happened there I am I I see you've met Heimdall he reads Minds for me the boy is false all father this young man who is my guest is covered in mud care to explain he means to betray you is that true Loki you're a little trickster I'm just messing around of course he means to betray me huh I'm gone is [Laughter] course he raised to betray me high I can believe that [ __ ] pissed the hell out of him like what you were right there man why did you move over there and then yeah just uh the the little playful like yeah of course he's here to betray me why would he come here he's like my enemy and this this recognition of that by the way makes Odin almost immediately much more interesting than the nil he's just like oh my God okay all right yeah okay this sounds like a smarter approach that a lot of characters may have given he's on the ball yep why else would have given him no reason to trust me not yet but he's got some very big questions yeah actually this is a this is this is what exemplifies the reason why the attractions are valuable how often are you going to be able to find a situation where Kratos can interact with Arden Thor Heimdall many other people and others uh and in a non what kind of interactions exactly because the reality is when it comes to if you're good at writing stories uh like the people who wrote this story um you recognize that ultimately there's only so many times that the protagonist and antagonists commit each other in a situation like this that doesn't end in a fight where one of them you know gets killed yeah um just based on the nature of the conflict and the characters perspectives on each other but using atreus is really valuable just because of the role that he plays uh and how he's more connected to the north side of things than Kratos is just gives us opportunities to in the ensuing you know scenes do so much work with Odin that would otherwise be very difficult to facilitate now relatively what are you up to dismissed go gladly uh yeah why are you gonna be like that or small but like you know why was Thor just standing there it's like because he's waiting for orders yeah yeah and then he's just like [ __ ] off and he's like yeah okay I don't care yeah sure whatever okay then you could have just said that nicely just um our relationship hmm clean yourself up a little glads the bad guy he's right there yes how much he's got a bow right now time Bill will you just relax the thing it traces as fascinated as we are it's just like yeah it is like putting me above these guys the idea of telling a guy who can read people's minds Heimdall could you just relax he's like what kill you he's gonna get you man see it's like I don't know especially because like at this moment I can imagine being like yeah I guess he doesn't he's not gonna kill you right now yeah I was like yeah I guess he's yeah not now but fine this is great like he asked a trace it's like you're gonna give me like first thing right now and figures like he's like I'm I guess not like no they can just do the little shoulders he's uh yeah they're both looking at heimdock to confirm it look at the guys come on also which is which is interesting because it would be like how if you had someone who had that power that's like kind of what you'd do it's like I'm telling the truth look at me yeah um I'll be right back Gary I'm talking about um stuff all righty um we're sorry here might be a relevant question since it was one that was floated uh during the first scene already what a what were people's impressions of Odin now yeah like even after this brief Exchange when you see him in retrospect with that first scene when he's talking to different people for a different reason in a different place with different goals then you could see that this is clearly the same character who's just operating in a different scenario and so now you still see that character as he was before but of course now that the situation is different you could see why he's behaving differently but you're still interested because you haven't really you haven't been given all the information yet you still you're still very interested to see where this is going because this is a very as far as stories go and characters and everything this is very unorthodox to happen in stories right essentially you've been given this ticket to interact and speak with you know the quote-unquote the bad guys as they've been perceived throughout the story um and so you're you're all ears to see what's going to happen next especially to learn about Odin this villain I liked him from a get-go I mean I had no nothing to expect really to be honest I was just like I'll see how he's gonna look like I I didn't expect a particular look from Odin so it's just like checking out what's going on and when he came like oh that's kind of do you see what kind of mobster like okay I kind of like this because I don't know what you think about the mythical side of the lore or whatever there's this like yeah I can tell you what it looks like in his temperament yeah I think I was in a similar position and I didn't mind what they were gonna do like there wasn't you know like and then I by this point in the story there's very much the sort of what are you what's what's your game what are you what are you up to yeah what's going on because especially here right this is a way less confrontational interaction when the first time that we met him it was pretty tense like pretty clearly whereas already by having by having Heimdall be the one who attacks him and it's causing trouble and then Odin immediately steps in to protect him he escalates immediately yes if you consider it the thing in the beginning it was like I just want peace you know I'm just no I just want this deal and now it's just de-escalating everything and even even though Heimdall has like uh like basically his right hand I think is the idea he is right because he can do the the whole mind stuff saying hey he's going to betray you and everything he's like yeah whatever but he's just not gonna be doing that now I'm gonna need to talk to him and make him trust me you maybe try to do things like oh maybe maybe he does just one piece maybe I mean we never really get the side of the ace here and now we get the side of the A3 bit and they I don't know this all seems pretty chill so far except time though he's a prick I there's there's that working in the scene as well I think it's I think the the simple thing though is that the game knows that you're going to be looking at all of this wondering like yeah but like you're lying right yeah because characters at this point who you have who you very much like and Trust have all said that he's a liar and so everything he's saying to and around atreus it's like hmm are you trying to nudge him in a particular direction what is the objective behind each line of dialogue because he seems like a person who is despite being quite disarming is like very selective with the words that he uses yeah and the things as you know the Notions that you get people's minds you just can always have in the back your head though if he tells you snow is white he's white he's lying your boy my Mir the best bro in gaming and if he says that like yeah he's you know it's kind of hard to move past that also like this this feels like a good example of uh with all four of these characters I guess Thor's left um that all four of these characters are so distinct from one another oh yeah nobody sure if like they're treading on anybody else's shoes because we got Odin the sort of slime manipulator of course Heimdall is like the most cynical [ __ ] that there is like just complete [ __ ] and then you've got Thor who's in a lot of ways like really understated in his uh and how intimidating he is but then there's also another Dynamics yeah like his presence is so interesting they do so much work with him in so little time and already we're getting more of the Dynamics between Odin and Thor that Odin is the boss orders him around meanwhile Thor is very uh yeah not passive but submissive basically she's tired of the Chihuahua's [ __ ] okay his fault though he's a very passionate Latino what's the what's the crazy Saga going on on the other end of the mic it's a poodle fighting with the Chihuahua that that's all is that like a bit of rivalry back at the beginning of time I I think it's more that the Chihuahua loves the poodle and the poodle is upset about the fact that she's not as strong as the Chihuahua so she tries to scare him that was a poodle not as strong as a Chihuahua oh no it's a Teacup Poodle and he's a um well but she's like she's like five pounds and he's seven so tea cup oh one of those things yeah I don't know she's like that those were wolves once this might be a good time to plug my Instagram it's basically a puppy Instagram it's marked the cyborg I was uh I was listening by the way doing some chore but uh I find it super interesting as well that uh this is everything Odin wanted uh he sent Boulder to get atreus that's what was going on in that whole game or at least maybe not a fully known to him at the time exactly what he was after but we find out by the end of the game it was atreyas that he wanted and now atreus has come to him this is this is top everything this is everything he wants and you've got Heimdall getting in the [ __ ] way yeah of course this is running a little bit frustrating the fact that Thor showed up do you really think Thor would have shown up on his own to protect the trees like no he was sent by Odin yeah of course this is kind of predictable possibly that Heimdall would make the mistake of being like dude I can read him he's not he's not your friendly he's like I know he's not my friend he already did to his dad to my son like yes I know I know all of this but I need something from him and uh I like that he introduces himself as someone who can answer atreyas's questions he's immediately putting it on him that like you need me you want me so hey how about a partnership but uh yeah as you guys said as well just keep in mind what everyone has said about him get out of here get out of here every time I was like okay I guess oh he takes that last look at that last look at atreus his eyes I will yeah I want to talk about it a bit more but I'm gonna wait but I think that's very important heimdal we've not seen that attitude with Heimdall for [ __ ] you'd never expect that but that's how much he's got respect for Odin yep pretty interesting is a lot I know very perceptive but sometimes he just forgets to think you know oh and I've seen a lot of it in chat it's the idea of like I really like this guy this character even the look matters him but he ain't Odin that sort of attitude and it's just like okay oh tell me how Odin is I mean there's an expectation of what Odin should be um and I just uh I just don't it's hard to sometimes put into words but you guys know chat you know what evap has to say about adaptation and if you're going to be adapting one of the oldest like known stories we have you know compared to like all the stuff we have within the last hundred years even uh yeah we we would have no problem with stretching and pulling in different directions um and it's just a matter of yeah uh it seems that you've already answered my question but if I said if Norse mythology never existed and you were watching this story unfold you'd have no problem right or if his name was John instead of Odin you'll be fine um but I'm not going to deny people of expectations and so I can't deny how you feel about it I just think uh I wouldn't want it to get in the way of how [ __ ] great this characterization is yeah I'm just always interested to see different interpretations of characters it would be kind of boring to always see them as the same with the same attitudes and Aesthetics to see different takes on characters and you know what I can't always welcome I could I I pissed someone off no matter what I already had that's just being like why do you keep saying this Odin is nothing like the Norse one I'm like what I don't I don't know what the north was like I just keep getting told things about it look Everyone's an experts people are those same people saying that Anthony Hopkins is um I told the story on Metals Forge right but I'll tell it again hex is [ __ ] great I'm watching Drinker play the game and he's going through and someone says hey what do you think of the 2018 one and he's like loved it that was awesome um and he said one of the things he really likes about it is how authentic it feels to Norse mythology that triggered some people excuse me excuse me and you went uh you know a couple messages and one of them said you have no idea how much this disrespects the Norse mythology Thor is a hero of the people Odin is a wise like you know uh man who like binds the Realms together and uh Loki is a [ __ ] evil son of a [ __ ] they've got everything backwards and they've disrespected the hell out of it all and I was I was listening and I had the same reaction as drinko he was like okay I didn't know that like fair enough okay can we just move on it's like fine yeah another message comes in saying that lost super chatter is full of [ __ ] Thor is not a man of the people and mythology Thor would kill someone with like a second look that sort of thing and the trigger again is just like okay very well that is the mythology sure uh sure you know whatever you say and then the final super chat comes and say Norse mythology doesn't agree with Norse mythology about Norse mythology is about so it's like okay uh absolute experts so they've read all of the primary sources I'm sure of it they have very like thorough interpretations of what these characters should be they're definitely not going off of Wikipedia articles but of course the familiarity with all of the different translations right of different texts yeah throughout time and they're right and the understanding of the differences between those translations and how they might meaningfully affect yeah of course they've of course got a really strong understanding of translation Theory and how different translations will capture the tone and register of the original work you know differently and how that can affect interpretation I'm sure they've considered all of that it's bad enough right we have people who disagree on how Luke should be characterized from a film in the in the 80s to a film that came 20 years later however long [ __ ] it whatever I don't care about time my point is we have people disagreeing like that to create like huge fandom splits over whether or not it's it's right how in the world are we ever going to get an answer on whether or not the thought of how big Thor's belly should be for example stories that what's called hundreds of years ago around campfires and some of which were translated some of which were written down at different points in time and then trans slide it at different points in time in different languages like I don't know man it's just weird it's like a non-standard in pop culture perception uh depiction of Norse mythology comes along and suddenly everyone's a folklorist I don't know I know I am yeah just um just don't ask me about where I got it from I kind of absorbed it I watched a lot of Marvel to be fair hmm I've heard they name it yeah that oh it sucks because Thor's looks like Chris Hemsworth except that one movie where he was a bit chubby um he still looks like Chris Hemsworth though yeah he did still look like Chris Hemsworth he looked like Chris Hemsworth in the fats wait a minute I can appreciate that you know Chris you know put that much effort into gaining all of that weight for the role you know it just shows how dedicated he is yeah do you understand how much fortnite Christian Bale so anyway yeah okay what a cool way to travel stylish yeah so how'd your father take the news that you decided to accept my invitation I don't think we should talk about my father that well huh can't blame him what a way to save that conversation like instead of being like ah so we have limits on what we can discuss he went oh boy that is you know like like as if he gave him a stronger answer it's just like it it welcomes you back into the conversation if you almost ejected it is a lot of what Odin says uh I didn't mention I meant to in his first conversation where when he refers to Mamiya he says can't the smartest head alive tell blah blah blah blah uh everyone he calls himself the smartest man alive calling him the smartest head alive it's like oh I mean it's actually a little bit more offensive because it's like of course he is he's only [ __ ] one at least as far as we know um yeah a lot of a lot of dismissive and insulting language that's almost sneaked into the actual words that he uses uh we'll get a lot of that and this is the thing you don't get much of Odin relative to let's say Kratos but they use their time very specifically and he's not actually alive I mean Undead is what mamir is right I think is that what he's classified as um yeah uh probably dead and then through a magic [ __ ] he came back to life I'd assume yeah oh yeah and he calls him a retired God of War you can interpret that one his wife and my disgruntled former employee he's not exactly getting an unbiased view but you you're curious open-minded that's important greased Mist carry on pretend I'm not here if I'm being honest with you Loki you're lucky my office still stands after you went and sprung tear wait but I suppose spending time with him is punishment enough isn't it at least Vermeer never lost his sense of humor super interesting he's talking about them this casually with everything we know yeah he did to them like like oh it's annoying to spend time with tears there's like the guy I rescued from you that you tortured for thousands of years or whatever the [ __ ] like yeah actually sure yeah like yeah lamal yeah but he's making it all appear much softer and he even turned that into a a concession on his part something he gave it's like you're allow I'm allowing that and I'm still giving you this but luck yeah that's all behind us now I like to keep looking forward hey hey hey I want that train not decapitated just keep it below the neck all right is that really what you do when I'm not here oh Father Queen the ain't who you are ready for your blessings that's why I'm here isn't it yes there's a new Valkyrie Queen great soldiers these ain't hairy eye but they tend to come out of Valhalla a little cloggy I do what I can for them help them remember who they were in life that's important don't you think a sense of identity almost like he's toying with atreus of that line he knows us what he's after as well gives things meaning [Music] someone said I've heard this called the CEO din scene nothing heaven he's like you're Kevin now and she's like but but I'm but I'm I don't want to be Kevin no backseat sorry you're like oh God we have identity quickly kill ourselves jump over a little bit then those are for him I understand you're an avid reader these are just a few things from my Personal Collection uh thanks just just a hand for David there great you know great work David coming in he doesn't have a big part in this game but I mean he nailed it coming in he's got the books drops them in exit stage right I mean I really want to just good on you Kevin you excellent job I just want to make sure that someone he needs to know that someone out there appreciated him so I've seen some criticism of David uh they didn't like the body language I think that's a fair interpretation I think he did pretty well I I think that it just it he's on he's on duty he's a librarian not necessarily a people person he's doing his job does it well he's a No-Frills kind of guy he's very utility focused I appreciate that good job David excellent work yeah you do good work here thanks you're good those better not be mushrooms I smell listen I appreciate your offer but I'm really not sure what you're expecting from me right now you're just visiting Loki one step at a time steady there Carl but with all respect you need to know I came to study not to serve another servant is the last thing I need I need someone with drive with curiosity someone will take initiative that looks good is that braised but why me is it because I'm half giant big deal social store Ireland try to stay awake for me okay but look don't overthink it I have a project I think you'll be interested in a major learning opportunity for both of us what about my family my friends I need to know nobody's gonna get hurt why would I hurt him all I've been asking for from the start if you recall look you're here now stop worrying it's all going to be fine almost to your room my room yep just over here feel free to come and go take what you need poke around as you please you're not my prisoner and more importantly I am not your father I find that line fascinating not just because he's cold oh father but it's almost like I'm not your father therefore I'm not going to restrict you yep exactly hey isn't isn't that fun isn't that tempting like it's said in such a casual and friendly way it's like you're not my prisoner everyone's chill isn't this great yes great come on all father there's a situation that needs your attention Chef you missed welcoming our new house guest say hello to Loki this is him here in our home how nice my Diplomat I love that my Diplomat is like he's calling about how [ __ ] [ __ ] that was how nice can you try a little harder everything all right new midgard the refugees are fine the situation is with the dwarves you know who is back it's always something put those books down we got another stop to make uh sure yeah all right I'm here well it's pretty great by the way oh God where is he he oh just over there oh so the reason that cut is because [ __ ] original recording some random noises started happening on my PC like notifications are just like [ __ ] the seat up so I was like great bags Chief it's been too long what's the issue now no issue at all if you're trying to build volatile death traps I approve these designs personally and not all that recently I might add if you just wake up with the urge to be a pain in my ass yeah who's the good you draining Pockets you know what Berlin Eureka of cheap Mead and that is by far your most endearing characteristic now listen up it's me your entire economy speaking I want you to know that I have confidence in you confidence you can deliver me these machines as promised on time on budget and of course safely the dwarves have never let me down but they're not about to start now right good they a lot of what was just said can be seen as pretty like chill and positive but there's just threats everywhere oh yeah um and a lot of power moving around though when he said I gave these designs myself and not all that recently like the application day you're taking a [ __ ] long time to make these guys and durling's not stupid enough to like he knows what's being said and yeah you're a tire economy speakers it's a pretty great line too uh yeah this is grip on Spotify which you do get a lot of information on in the mimiya side mission with this place yeah have you ever looked around in Odin's office because you you can you can see some of those plans for these weapons on his desk lying around it's kind of neat oh I did love your ground but I didn't see them okay I'm gonna let you catch your breath when you're ready to get to work and start getting those answers beat me in my study down the hall oh and help yourself to a change of clothes whoa Loki right gotta say the irony of this isn't lost on me this was his room you know his my brothers your brother Modi ah your brother really I had no idea uh-huh [Music] and now it's yours enjoy through thirst out there relax you got some pretty small shoes to fill [Music] Ed we're better off without him looking [Music] trust me [Music] walk with me uh don't forget your sword [Music] [Music] uh someone will clean that up oh any thoughts about this new character well seems to be jokey uh at first but then it's like oh no well don't worry we're actually better off without him but clearly bothered by her brother being dead of course yeah she's holding his uh his shield when she said that yeah exactly um but yeah uh this is all very confusing and interesting it's like how much of this is true how much is this [ __ ] and yeah are you here because you were sent have you saying things because you were told to or are you saying this because this is what you believe what is the trail supposed to make of all of it um but yeah and the fact that yeah magnium Modi didn't exactly seem like uh nice people necessarily but a little bit of her family yeah still family exactly well I guess it's just interesting when we we know that Thor is furious uh it was pretty clear that Sif was unhappy about all of this too yeah through it is uh obviously like not clearly right like when she's saying you know we don't you know we're better off without them it's like well you say that but like you're obviously pretty upset about it but the fact that she's even willing to be friendly to a triathanol is interesting right of all the people that he's encountered the only people who've been friendly to him so far uh Odin who yeah he doesn't trust and and through who seems like way less likely to be a very deceptive person so uh what kind of Sword is that it's Neil One of a Kind my father gave it to me for valkyrie training you're in Valkyrie training got time to talk about it I was just heading to the Great Hall but if you need to go to work grandfather's study is just down those stairs that's my room used to be magnese I guess I'm moving up you know that Valkyrie poster as well I didn't even see that I think it's the time no I don't know if they had posters back then the castle isn't it there are tapestries mine not a poster because I think that that was a valkyrie weapon on the yeah you can tell she's moved in recently because magni's stuff is still in here so how do you become a valkyrie first I train till I'm the best I can be then I wait till grandfather notices and then I hope he and my dad can convince moments okay you know my father and I we encountered a whole bunch of Valkyries and encountered where promise to tell me everything I promise mother did you meet Loki he's got you involved with this involved with what I'm being friendly isn't that diplomacy you understand who this is right what his father did he want him sorry about her mom's right so did you want to look around some more or do you really need to get to work I think I may not have cut this properly properly we all agree that stiff is this game's best girl though picking it over please do not involve me in your pathetic attempts to impress oh freya's a better character you haven't had enough Heimdall in your day let's go yes I I understand okay I think I might actually have accidentally cut out Heimdall dialogue there um oh well uh we just I'm not I'm not everything is here I'm afraid wow you failed us it looks like I left in and cut out the wrong things yeah the wrong one do you see me nodding and saying yes I understand do you see me nothing I uh-huh yes that's all right mm-hmm relax you see this is you not letting me talk no hugin I I don't need my ears clean I need you to stop croaking and and accept the answer you know I'm about to give I was just looking at this that old thing I've had that since huh who can remember you have a name Ingrid really sure why not take it if you like it that much for real consider it a perk of the job thank you I mean really and they say man I'm doing so nice Wow Come On Let's Walk okay yeah even says people say I'm the bad guy so another use of the uh the uh the Asgard theme there oh wait you're welcome wait yeah yeah is it something's developing in it yeah he's got a square button ability now everyone's got me all very similar to another service drives me or power wealth nah never have know what drives me what I really want I want answers same as you see Mortals have it easy when they push up against life's big questions they can look to us they give them meaning Divine comfort we both know that's a sham but when we have questions why are we here to give meaning to Mortals while living without it ourselves no are more than that and I found something that proves it it's so important how neat is that I don't even know that I've come across that motivation before a god who's upset that he doesn't have meaning despite providing it to other people yeah what's the point at all what a great idea yeah yeah Mortals get get the the the the afterlife but what do I get who am I why am I here yeah good stuff we've got another character in this game a pretty main character asking those same questions foreign what is it that's what drives me you feel it don't you feels like knowledge truth said great but it goes nowhere all right then I'm not even scored a bit to say to that I know what I'll say other than that we'll show you where it goes don't you worry we'll show you where it goes yeah all truth all the answers we could find out why we're here learn how to change our Fates stop Ragnarok for good maybe save the people we love how I was a young God when I found it spent lifetimes studying it following every clue down every dead end looking for and finally unearthing this you see that it shares the same mystical energy it opened the crack can we just look inside I wouldn't recommend that what's the broken mask for you recognize any writing on it these aren't from the nine realms us smoother obsidiani's Pizza from smoldered Earth and obsidian Spark and a field of battles never fought are you certain it was if that's the clue I know what it means and what's that keep working with me and find out you don't have to kill anyone you don't have to betray your father or yourself come on I know you felt what I felt the answers are in there let's get them I mean you translated this language like it was nothing if I do help you what's next door get down here don't do that don't do that what's next is chasing this down this is really good take this and this stealthy side of beef let's see what I don't beep stealthy side draw for me though he's on call and willing to do everything he says at a moment's notice and what does he do the first thing insult him he's like yeah um and as well like considering all the stories we've gotten in 2018 about um Odin's different deceptions a lot of them come down to his interest in that person having stuff he wants be it uh mamia describes how he wanted to make deals different people to get access to whatever magic they know the prophecies they're aware of like all of it has some relation to having access to abilities or knowledge that he does not have um and you're already seeing it here the fact that he's saying like nothing nothing comes above us being able to get whatever is in this whatever we can draw from this we can we can sacrifice everything else we don't need to do any of that [ __ ] with warring or uh betraying or anything else just just let's just work together and get this and you know comes across really genuine doesn't doesn't seem like a lie I don't promise anything no it says Happy Hunting and you go easy on him you hear me moves behind the rest of the Mask is here that's where our father dropped us what do you think take that and do your damn job or is not thrilled out there I'm excited because it's we get more thought um yeah to be sort of be around them and have them around and can you see the uh the saturation has just crashed yes I don't notice it for I think like 10 minutes so you have to wait but we could reach if we too slow hey you can't just grab people like that better now though you you know I think uh this looks a little too sickly um I think the colors are a little too exploding it's not perfect over totally gray though which is kind of no I get you uh there's a happy balance I assume it's just that I don't I think this is a little too much moose full Heim ain't it cool it is it is indeed and isn't it cool lava land I have these two specifically um yeah classic hell as opposed to the north hell which is all cold and Misty and spooky I'm your father for what happened to my sons but I have taken it from you yet yes that's a thing I meant earlier I don't want to keep the awful speaking of which mask right you want to talk about blood payment what about the Giants you killed they were my family they were your people too the Giants were blight on the nine Realms and I reveled every single one of their deaths let's just change the subject you know uh last time father and I were here we beat every one of Turner's trials I think you could don't play really feels like atreus was gonna go the way of like you know what there's reason for me to be annoyed at you and the second it triggered Thor he's like no that's not a good way to go all right we'll try something else stop right there listen Modi had some problems but he was my son and the only reason you are mush right now is because of that broken piece of wood look clearly neither of us can do this Mission alone and I want to impress the odd father just as much as you do you don't have to like me but we're gonna have to trust each other just a little bit Trust [Music] good form overall but not aggressive enough in my opinion you're more than welcome to step it up this is me trusting you I wasn't playing you by the way the trials are fun don't you ever have fun you're so different from your daughter she said come look at this I saw you spot this on your street Bell or maybe like oh yeah that crab is where that guy's helmet yeah look at him crap so they're Shrine you didn't die over there did you know but I was thinking well that's your problem the trials are just past that Cliff might be something new too first we deal with them the All fathers waited hundreds of winters he can wait a little more it's fun fine stay right here yes sir trust the ace here I mean I know I can't trust them I just need them to trust me that's only gonna happen if they think I trust them yeah my father and I visited this place the last time we were in Wisconsin it was like forever ago [ __ ] hey grubota for someone who was trained as a warrior you are tragically easy to startle I I didn't what are you doing here a girl can't visit a shrine of her own delicious Thor fighting in the background maybe right between the line of trash you're the shrine you're out looking for more giant marbles you know what this looks like right two of them like the life story of one of our people and also maybe a storage closet no this looks an awful lot like to find destiny yeah where was this written in Anger Buddha yeah the only thing it's worth bringing up because um it was mentioned at some point but atrey is talking to the sword as though it's uh as friends yeah I think I mentioned that in our first play well our when I watched it with you that first time I was like you're opening up to this this sword that he gave you real quickly I think it's partly to do with the whole atreus uh gets a sense of what a thing is much better than anyone else does uh it's like intention and nature and where it's sitting where it's landing and stuff hence his uh often walking into talking to people that people are like what the [ __ ] are you doing and it was um tied up when he met it um but I still think you should probably have some level of concern yeah for sure to the sword because Ramirez like what the [ __ ] have I been teaching you all these years come on man question is what are you doing here rewriting my story Odin gave that to you it's not well it is worth mentioning it does come up later but there is commentary from Kratos about atreus's trusting of people and he explains something about that that we haven't mentioned yet he did but it's not I'm not working Within I would never tell him anything about Ironwood that's what you're worried about I'm definitely not serving him prophecy's words not mine I've got a marble to find her attitude there fun are you sure you're up for breaking the rules like this there aren't any Prophecies of you collecting any marbles our endings haven't been written right come on hmm don't think I've heard of her before and here comes certor wow looks like they even became friends uh good friends um love caused them to combine into some kind of huge creature Ragnarok and then Ragnarok destroys Asgard right I'm gonna hang back here don't want your uh friend to see a giant he missed of course just be careful please you too Loki hey Ingrid I think Thor died from [Music] you oh of course that was fun could have done that at any time for yourself well enough yeah I was trusting you think that impressive real God stuff you are a God you're damn right I am so am I no it's here this is the spot where is it in the lava ah damn it some advice sticking your hand in Marvel is Never Gonna feel good I wasn't thinking good it's better that way all right [Music] don't try to play me again those two lines follow each other don't think you know don't do it but also like using my intellect I know that you were trying to screw with me back there yeah I mean mislead me yeah because he's not stupid Thor is not stupid at all still a giant Loki the rift got Rider look you did it look one of these phrases is complete now we can read it all but you can't translate it not yet see I got a little Theory I think if we can find the rest of this we can use it to look into that without you know losing an eye or worse look at this we make a good team don't we don't we make a good damn team just like you and balder uh we'll begin with that one uh tells you a lot about what's going through Thor's head right now which is he's not happy why isn't he happy no of course he's having to hang around with a kid who's directly responsible for one of his son's deaths and was totally there when the other one died uh oh as well as his brother and brother's to go on a [ __ ] adventure with him uh to get things for Odin and now he's watching his dad talk about how great he makes a team with this [ __ ] kid in front of me my son who does everything for him does everything he wants and so he tells him hey kind of said the same thing about someone else remember that guy the guy who went [ __ ] nuts the guy who's dead as a result of your orders yeah it wasn't that great the guy who you haven't Avenged at all so let you know about that meanwhile Odin's thinking why the hell did you just [ __ ] say that that's just sabotaging me building a relationship with the one thing I've wanted to get this whole time what are you doing Arden doesn't give a [ __ ] how Thor feels nope and uh just doesn't Factor his perspective into it at all and if anything he's just like why the hell are you sabotaging you idiot [ __ ] um yes what I'm doing here that is quite the death stare he was in quite a good mood there and then you just reminded him not only of all the stuff we just said but yes Odin is pretty bitter about losing Boulder that was his son yep why the [ __ ] did you say that don't say that again that sort of [ __ ] yeah in just you know what was that three words that we just achieved quite a bit I guess it was just like you and Boulder that'd be five all right maybe less impressive of five um but yeah uh tells you a lot about both of them with very limited words and expressions pretty good [ __ ] and we we've talked about it so many times at this point but achieving multiple things with the one line of dialogue is just indicative of great writing when you can advance the plot you can have it lighten with subtext while also more overtly revealing character motivations and being Tethered to thematic elements and like throughout the game there's just so many lines that are incredibly strong and we got so much more story left and if you compare this to something like rings of power right where you have all these lines that are trying so hard and they do nothing but confuse and make you scratch your head or they just do damage to characters but oh they try to be so grandiose and meaningful this is this this is the polar opposite of that this is that but it works um I think a couple people confused um Thor is Boulder's brother because Boulder is Freya and Odin's son he's a son they had together which created a whole bunch of other problems um I I in case if someone wanted clarified I believe Odin likely cares about his blood um and that he cares about Boulder Beyond just being his closer so to speak I know that's what he called him it's just a Odin is uh obviously putting certain things above others I I don't believe he literally does not care about anybody no I don't I think also he was he the the closer speech he gave while Thor was in the room and he just kind of brushed off magni and modi's death as like well those ones were self-defense I think yeah he had to give a a reason for being pissed about balder that went beyond he was my son because then Thor would be like well they were my sons so well I I'm not even sure I think it's just I think he's speaking pretty honestly there which is that like he does value some people more than others even though they're all his family and he's much more he's incredibly open about those preferences yeah like he obviously preferred Boulder to Thor like that's pretty obvious oh we have out there was really great I learned a lot from him you learned something from him really now okay what did you teach the kid nothing what could I possibly teach him exactly oh man exactly he said I was wondering yeah it feels like this there's so much animosity to the point where's yeah you're my tool nothing more nothing less yeah like Thor's beating down worn down after how long hearing these sorts of things from his own dad [Music] it's just yeah it's uh yeah Odin is uh animated with that right and also you know like father-son relationships are pretty pretty important part of our important part of this story and it would seem that Odin and Thor's relationship is going to be relevant in terms of parallels to be drawn or not necessarily parallels but rather contrast to be drawn between Kratos and atreus compared to these two yeah and the effect it just generally because it apply so Freya and Boulder the effects yes parentage has on the results foreign where that went actually I had a pretty good idea change of heart I'm not really sure why I came to Asgard but I realize now it wasn't to be a spy I need you to know you can trust me and if I'm gonna help you take this to the end I need to be able to trust you and trust is earned I get it take this figure out the rest of it if you're staying that is you're going to tell me what you're really looking for in there translate that and I'll tell you everything and on that young man you can trust me you always this hard on door seems like you're mad at him or something oh getting nosy getting personal no I get it but it's nothing like that it's well to be honest it's the only language he understands I'm serious go ahead and try being nice to him see where that gets you and as much as that may very well be true judging from what a trace has been trying so far with Thor he's still he tried to talk to him a couple times got nothing but Venom back pretty much how did that end up that way was it always that way exactly [Music] you brought that back are you trying to make friends now well I just aided the off father said that makes us allies yes as long as you had no treacherous you don't sometimes oh man he says you don't know what uh what you're doing anymore like so what's cool about that as a developer and this is totally optional dialogue is that yeah it used to be a clear read on the trails that he's here to subvert Odin but he can't read that anymore he always sees the best while all I see is what people really are nobody ever says what they mean some light of the world some lie to themselves and don't even know it and then there is you you don't know what do you don't even know who you are but I hope you do know this I will be watching yeah it's safe to say that as a viewer it's a we're not going to be as convinced as atreus more than likely about Odin because you know our stories work but it's a little bit worrying to know we have a confirmation in University no longer feels the need to subvert Odin yep another Banger transition there that transition is so smooth yeah that's awesome and that ain't just any knife that's the combo of Greek and Norse knife yep good morning brother no news I'm afraid I have a plan do you know the Lord's you've found them once could you do so again I could try but I don't see how that how are the fates of these lands are they not I would know they know you may not find them Cooperative as long as I find them where do we search midgard but if atreus is an Asgard there's no getting him back without an army we should be raising one yes nothing like a catastrophic War to improve the situation the boy seems quite capable perhaps if you simply give him some time you are not free of blame here you encourage confusion I do not seek war but if Odin has stolen my son do not doubt the lengths I will go to your Nature has always been clear Kratos but you Freya that's probably one of the most aggressive sentences he's ever come up with with how we've seen him so far it doesn't sound aggressive but it was saying do not doubt the legs I will go to he's like your Nature has always been clear like [Music] just uh yeah he seems seems a little upset even thinking about it or as a first Resort that's not the Freya I knew I hope the norns can give you the counsel you need perhaps mine is no longer of use here tear stop this is no time to fight ourselves further come sit please you have been quiet frankly I'm surprised you of all people would seek out fate but you know instincts haven't let us down so far let's find the norms who am I to offer him counsel I only hoped to help the boy find his answers and I failed what's my role in all this now dear you're at the center of this you always have been that's why Odin imprisoned you in the first place he's terrified of you I doubt that very much it's the truth and not just because of prophecies no one has ever United the Realms as you once did that is not who I am anymore I know you feel that way now I've lost myself before more than once but believe me there is something beyond that and what is that purpose purpose is the path that leads you to yourself so you would have me accept my fate lead your armies into war secure your vengeance not your purpose find another for your own sake I think that conversation is very important considering how things develop with tear um this is difficult to get across exactly what I mean by that I mean uh in the coming scene or two with him that that conversation helps inform some of the things he says and does I suspect we may have consequences to look forward to squirrel ah Master Kratos my apologies Madame nephogue's disappearance weighs heavily on my mind she a friend of yours less a friend than another long time tenant of the tree she was here even before I arrived and that was ages ago to even think something could keep her away from her babies terrible just terrible about neethoga no we had no choice it was Odin's doing oh I am very well aware indeed of the alleged all-fathers role in this tragedy sadly there's no expecting him to clean up after himself not all gods showed the interest that you do in writing past wrongs ah Mr freezing I think ratatosk is pretty bright little detail yeah yeah you can obviously all of that can be missed if you were don't press triangle at the right times true constant radar attacks so that's because they believe Kratos is responsible for fimble winter and that killing him will end it where would they get an idea like that from me of course of course quiet she is a friend now better they get this from you I think that's a pretty neat detail because they would have been pretty much present every time she tries to kill them exactly once the wolves have the scent of the Norms we'll just need to follow their lead I will open the gate brother what exactly do you intend to ask the Norms oh I may find my son nothing more you don't imagine it's a chance to clear up all this mess about prophecy perhaps get a second opinion on your alleged demise you didn't tell me you had a death prophecy atreus and I erased your time we found a hidden mural the Giants they herself had foreseen our entire Journey long ago who we would meet who we would fight all of it as it happened but you aren't dead that image was from a time yet to come I see we've never struck me as someone who fears death that's not the problem is it no death can have me when it earns me then maybe it's not the future that bothers you Faith sent you on your journey and she made sure you'd see that image at the end of it and you're still not sure why I wish to speak with this no further well the lake of Nina certainly yeah it's pretty cool just on the way basically death I have for me when it earns me it's like oh man and yeah just bringing up part of his insecurities related to Faye she she highlights some sort of thing and then he's just like okay new subject bye that's not yeah doing that seen better days leaders have made themselves quite at home sure I've been back to these paths since our great battle was secret she speaks highly of that fight as well you know of that she told me all about it when she found me she believed you could be an ally long before I believe this Valkyrie Queen an ally I'm the valkyrie King as secret was stubbornly determined to remind me I should have guessed it was secretly helping you recover yourself loyal why ever oh it doesn't take a love goddess to see where you're coming from quiet have you encountered these knowns right we have ways of discouraging visitation and Odin made his share of efforts wouldn't talk about what he found why did he gave up or he wanted to forget what he saw yeah am I telling us what you experienced when you sought the Norms last time to be honest the details are hazy like waking up from a dream mainly I remember that nothing could be done to change my son's fate which only made me more determined to try brother what of your story you faced the Feats of your Homeland yeah exaggerated exaggerated or not in the Brazen Bloodshed righteous Fury part the part where it said you traveled back in time itself to win a battle once lost it's strange Fidelity obviously I mean a rumor about Thor knocking the wild Surf and back in history from Ragnarok is one thing it is the truth the threat of Fate span all life and time the sisters of Fate abuse their power when I challenge them they threatened to undo my existence so I kill them and turn their power on Zeus that's the most dangerous and irresponsible thing I've ever heard I know right it's so good it's so cool because yeah it's just been this thing about God War II where it's just like that was insane this is like yeah it should be seen as insane to any character you tell like what veterans have no such magic nor does anyone he's like imagine sitting down and explaining the MCU to these characters like no one would ever write that what a ridiculous story he's like sorry this one was a what a willed a realm a universe yes we're okay but that fourth one sucks all right could you imagine if it existed Odin would have it and if Odin had it we'd be five Shades more [ __ ] than we are already I wouldn't have asked them to change the past even if they could I only want information and that's quite dangerous enough in my experience Freya thank you for your help I know this was not your focus the sooner we find your son the sooner you'll be able to focus I just hope it works just the same thank you weapon of the Gods he choices so those who don't know because it's not necessarily an intro that is this is the Norms [ __ ] with our characters yeah that was the intro they just gave Kratos which to be honest with you more than half of it was just badass but yeah the other piece was a little bit more critical and it's interesting to think about where they would have gotten the information destroyer of all she would hope to protect she always finds somebody to believe cannot change ah here we go hey here we go let me guess I'm a long-winded new at all and I cannot change you forgot smartest man alive what makes them greater if they actually don't say anything yeah it cuts them off turned again normally I don't mind ladies whispering in my ear but this is positively awesome anyone ever tell you that you Babble when you're terrified terrified I'll have you know I'm at the very most deeply apprehensive and breaking tension with humor is the sacred duty of a traveling companion I can't very Dare You poplin I love the semantic difference between terrified and deeply apprehensive yeah he does it well okay also listen to me please stop why did you bring him here you are not welcome here wait Boulder come back talk to me prayer brother over here come get me I want none of this why did you never turn on Okay but I did I tried to stop him any way I could stop you hard you'll watch everyone and everything it's true all of it but for the love of you I became allies thank you it is not her no of course brother defeats come here help me atreus I am coming why didn't you trust your own spirit [Music] that's all I have to do and now he's mine I am here it's over did we pass the chest didn't feel much like succeeding I see the daughters disappeared or it was never there they toy with us still oh yeah um that was a pretty intense representation of all the deepest insecurities pretty much yeah I appreciate the insight into all of them starting of course with Freya she believes she killed Boulder yep pretty much fully at this point I imagine that she shifted a lot of it to Kratos but that's gone at this point um especially the the showing her break his neck like it's uh yeah nobody hurts my son but me and then of course played uh mamir he's got incredible guilt that he didn't act faster he took too long to become a good man that protected people help people uh and the big insecurity he has is did I only help once it affected me about the only reason I did it and uh yeah and the fact that she said you had assisting a violent God even now now something he thinks what he's thinking about uh gonna come up again at some point but it's just yeah it's just these are these are huge insecurities and of course the the big one with Kratos being atreus when he said he killed his family and it's like this this big old like uh that's the one thing you would never want to end on him by atreus I think to be afraid of him because of what he did today yeah yeah hits you like a brick when you hear it too if you know his backstory it's like oh and like like oh the disconnection he killed his family like it's like like get away from me you're a you're a you're a monster sort of she's like ah yeah all of them having uh having deep deep deep issues and the norns obviously throwing them through all of it like a gauntlet um but maybe we can discover a little bit more about them as people what's uh what are they about Kratos Freya and mimir's head enter the home of the norns tentatively [Music] they have finally reached their destination [Music] Kratos speaks first I seek my son who know the child is an Asgard no you seek what all who search for us see to know the ending to your story the ghost of Sparta Burrows his brow menacingly he resists the urge to grunt he fails you come to us piteous archetypes seeking freedom from your scripts as if knowing your lines would Grant you the power to rewrite them [Music] you will die Kratos of Sparta you called him the destroyer of Fate there must be a way to subtract Destiny there is no Destiny Park protagonists are speechless they do not understand there is no Grand Design no script only the choices you make that your choices are so predictable merely make us seem prescient when my son was born shut up your prophecy said he would die a needless death and he did because you could not let him go because he thirsted for Revenge and because you kill gods but what Kratos did it was not out of hate oh should I bring him a crown then he still slays Gods but now he's sad about it you are the sum of your choices nothing more and because your choices never change you will learn that Heimdall intends to kill your son and Asgard and you will do what you do best and then Ragnarok the skies burn the curtains fall egg zoomed on me again he misses the point focusing on the second act to the exclusion of the final a common mistake in storycraft he Stomps away followed closely by Freya I enjoyed your story Kratos pity it has to end so soon hahaha [Laughter] [Music] wow that was educational dude the music what yeah what an interesting take on prophecies and yeah people fulfilling prophecies it's not it's not just the we know what's going to happen and here it is like no we're going by the nature of you guys and your choices are so obvious every time that we just can have a very good guess what is going to happen because you never change your uh your choices it's not a prophecy it's an educated guess yeah basically it's safe to assume they have a very unique and Powerful understanding of people like and that's what gives them access to more almost deterministic look at the world that no one else will be able to do but what they've said is pretty much one of the most common understandings of how all this [ __ ] Works you're pretty easy to predict a lot of people are in certain circumstances in fact uh we've talked about those before but there'll be sometimes there'll be news and I I see it and I read it and I'm like that is you know blah blah and I'm like can't wait to tell you know for any metal Rags or whoever about this even though I'm pretty sure I know exactly what they're gonna say like uh pretty well but it doesn't matter because like you know it's uh it's fun to experience and share and stuff but you know they know them well enough that this this is is it I think it's really cool that the only thing creators really took from this or seemed to was the information that Heimdall is going to kill atreus he's not paying attention to what they're trying to say about how oh yeah right but they're focused on the second act like on the middle to the exclusion of the end he's so focused on that that there are consequences of committing to a certain course of action or just sort of out of his mind yeah and yet you'd be surprised and yet people are surprised when those outcomes happen it's uh yeah and then like you're the sum of your choices which is that's just another one of those we are reinforcing a certain theme that has already been established we are we are building it up we're just adding more elements to it and uh reading it ahead of time because it's interesting I love how the Norms say intends to kill and everyone remembers kills like like it's set in stone that Heimdall will kill atreus and so he has to stop it as opposed to realizing saying he intends to kill him is no different than he intends to kill you like uh it tends to kill a lot of people I'd imagine there's a lot of intent I mean and that's the other thing crit is not familiar with Heimdall doesn't realize how much like he's under control he doesn't realize the scenario and as God all he's been told and he's laser focused on it and that is Kratos at the core he's spoken before about how atreus being safe is basically number one it trumps everything but he's come so far in these games from the man he was in the first three games that it's like uh that the Norms are basically saying he's just it's another format for the exact same results uh everything [ __ ] dies intention to execute an action and actually executing that action are two very different things I intended to date a lot of girls in high school failed successfully failed uh but yes uh what I think a big takeaway from what they said isn't very disagreeable it's just not what you want to hear yeah you never you never want to hear the whole oh no that's just I mean you did this to you what do you want me to say yeah and I like the mummy Remembered in their summary of him he's the destroyer of Fate but the thing is I think it's safe to assume what they read out is everyone's description of themselves and uh of course what they think of themselves yeah yeah Kratos is Raging against fate throughout this game the concept of it and he did Kill The Sisters of Fate so you know he did that not sure how he pulled that off considering they have access to all of time but hey it reminds me of a which is a Mortal Kombat game where you kill the god of time at the end of it maybe I don't remember no well I'm mainly asking Frankie I think he's the only person you might know oh I'm sorry I'm sorry I certainly am not asking you yeah which game which Mortal Kombat game do you kill the god of time at the end ah that was 11. yeah because that game makes no sense at all yeah everybody's just fighting because I watched a Story summary of it and I found that [ __ ] hilarious that you're battling the god of time like in the Mortal Kombat somehow yeah and she loses yeah like nice um but yes uh the norns I think especially after the comments we just heard about God of War 2 this just feels like a way better version of what the fates were all about because God of War 2 is all about the fisters of Fate for the most part that's what the main story is about getting to and using um the norns represent a small part of this story but I think they're a way better uh approach to the concept yeah based on what I understand about the sisters afraid and God of War too it does sound like that tree well isn't that interesting what is this that's the Noose brother the one Odin hanged himself with as part of his endless mad quest for secrets of life and death and what have you what are you doing it's a charged object significant to Odin perhaps I'll find a use for it brother what they said about the boy will not happen oh I agree it will not happen we will not let it of course we bloody warned the question is how you wouldn't seriously consider killing Heimdall would you I will do what I must ah is that all you're wrong to dissuade him Amir you know Heimdall I grant you that he's a spiteful vicious little [ __ ] and so loyal Odin entrusted him if we have the chance to that's no joke by the way galahong you read its law and new Erin Odin's office it's like one of the most powerful things ever and Odin's just got it with Heimdall that means Odin trusts heimdalek incredibly yeah um we shouldn't hesitate considering his powers are foresight alone that is an if of mountainous size even supposing we're all perfectly comfortable plotting an assassination and I for one am I might Rusty at that measure we've got no way to reach him down and nowhere to kill him if we did I have killed Gods greater than him I don't doubt that brother but it's hardly my point look I think we're missing the Nolan's message here we've all got our Tendencies and yours is to run headlong into danger to protect the ones you love I do not intend to change not about that why should you my tendency is to kill the ones I love Freya I don't need you to comfort me either of you their accusation was cruel none of us believe the truth can be a cruel thing anyone care to argue with that no but Paul does fate had many causes prophecy among them how do you mean brother there are many tales in my homeland of those who fulfilled prophecy by attempting to avoid it so it was when Freya tried to protect border and so it was when I accuse my son of going to Asgard can we agree it should be foolish to go after Heimdall no if Heimdall Must Die for a trace to live then Heimdall Must Die how can you say that knowing what you know because if Heimdall is a threat to my son I must act it is your nature well played Norms to pause in that whole conversation Kratos was listening to uh all the Norms gave but the thing is like tell no matter how much you tell him by crimming to this action you're you're playing into your your weaknesses your prophecy you're always like I don't give a [ __ ] I just don't care I don't care about any of that yeah ultimately my goal is protect atres I will I will enact whatever actions are required for that goal yeah this chat yes to all of the threats of of what could happen he's like yeah sure fine whatever because the thing what the what mamir I think is trying to get at is that uh that option you take every time it leads you to places that can be rather negative and he's just like like I give a [ __ ] dude it's the correct Choice every time to save myself I'm never gonna be like oh maybe I shouldn't save my son because things could somehow get worse than if I didn't like no it's not happening and yes he ultimately you gotta set a priority and his is protect that kid so it's like well it's it's hyper hyper dad mode it's uh it makes complete sense yep everything I gotta do to get there is fair game and just so you know I will kill Gods I'm that kind of guy Ola can you release this play through somewhere it's a good compilation of the main story an important dialogue that's something I was thinking with the amount of f i put into the edit I don't know if it's worthwhile to drop it up on Moolah just so that you guys can actually yeah you should check it out or not I'm not sure story bit yeah it's taken ages as you can probably tell to construct this and the idea that we just drop it after the efab is like well I guess I could release it on its own right I mean it'll be useful for a lot of people going forwards if it you essentially list it and say this is all of the story slash character stuff uh you know a good you know it'll be a good asset to have a good piece of reference not just for you but in US of course but for anyone I guess on YouTube who wants to kind of watch that and it'll be good for all of the people in the audience to be able to reference later all right this sounds like a plug that's sniping that but um I've got a guy from the Legion of memers I'm cutting my playthrough together that's uh going up on my channel as like a cinematic edit for people to just watch the story I think this is a game that like you know if you just watch the story that's still worthwhile wait does that cut have you in it or no well I I'm playing but it's just game it's pure gameplay footage like totally clean I don't know because you mark on it or anything though because so if you guys want to make videos on God of War feel free to steal my footage oh yeah um not to uh sort of dilute that but yes you can already get plenty of long I think the reason why people are suggesting this one is because I've cut it specifically to consume the story important yeah ones instead of so like you don't get a lot of stuff that could be considered superfluous oh yeah Noah likewise uh that's why I have the editor working on it to just make it as as more kind of like a hey if you don't like video games but you think this story sounds cool watch it like it's a movie and it's not just like unedited me playing it's it's cut down to the the story critical stuff like for the most part tell me of this power harmed all Wheels seize the future more like he reads the person sees their intention my intent will be to kill him knowing that will be no Advantage but rather this is no one to underestimate any move you make he'll have seen it coming if you must face very well I really like this moment that I think Kratos from any other game would have been like I can take him shut the [ __ ] up yeah like it's been long enough he trusts him long he's like all right we'll do it your way mamia what is your way and I love it because I think I cut it but he the the way becomes Oster dwarves and then they say that and then the the thing comes up and it says ask the dwarves it's like yeah asking of the dwarves oh yeah I did leave it in Japan asked the dwarves Theo do you hate that yeah Theo where's the hatred what's going on yeah Theo do you not like it okay all right let's check it listen as long as you're having fun I don't want to be keeping you here you're having a great time you're right are you okay yeah I'm good sorry that's good do what are you having to stay here if you want to do other things that is totally okay if you would like to I just uh you know I haven't gotten much of a Vibe on how you feel about the story lately that's all of a place to be in oh well you can always just agree you know what that thing I know is this sounds ridiculous but you can always disagree with Rags you could be like that thing metal said that seemed accurate like you could even say that no one would never say that though I know I was suggesting like it was a hypothetical it's good that you said it though metal is our Thor oh he's uh he's he's our little chunk of beef I didn't I didn't even [ __ ] that I didn't ever told that that's that's really cool he's our little beef chunks little beefy boy this was referenced yes I was thinking about that too this is the part where he kills you like it comes up multiple characters and then like the in-game sort of notifications and it's an achievement that unlocks that was really cool Portal 2 everyone if you don't know good times yeah yeah great excuse me sir could I have a moment of your time no oh dear oh dear what's to be done what is it you want it has come to my attention that nitho has been slain I didn't cut this properly uh because the idea is I wanted to show the the conversation of neathog a little when it's like sort of brought up this is where it actually happens but this is meant to be cut so see these are changes I can make before I have a final version and as a result her Offspring Have Been let loose into the nine Realms one of it to rest but no one say atreus will be killed by hind all the plan is to kill Heimdall first oh wow okay Heimdall let's see never loses sees everything coming unpopular at parties this won't be easy whatever his advantages I will overwhelm him with my own that's the idea you gotta over populate his senses see and I got just the thing in mind to help you do it but we need it our supplies oh we got plenty and despair this unironically happily and thoroughly answers the question of where they get all their materials from uh they've constructed a [ __ ] ton across the games and you can treat it as just an in-game thing whatever they make stuff shut up you provide the materials and stuff but uh drop near is is already a of some level of Fame from what I hear in Norse mythology and um well I'll let them introduce it first happened why would a oh you mean we combine it with that's right and then when he it'll go damn you that's brilliant very well I suppose there's nothing to do but go fetch drop near drop Mia I thought he knew these two and oh didn't blame me for it disappearing they stole drop near we didn't steal nothing we just un gifted one never should have been gifted in the first place kind of wood and it feels like tea is annoyed they still drop me I went in anything like preventing ocean from having drop in here is probably a good thing yeah exactly it's been a little weird to you it's been a little weird but a little bit us I will help me kill him though never your mind all that it's a [ __ ] surprise we're artists but to even store drop near you need you were saying now you intend to kill him down violence cannot prevent violence Kratos I truly thought you understood my son is in danger foreign s well what's even cooler about this is we have no idea how deep this place is exactly well we can assume that it was deeper than last time on account of the bucket hitting the bottom so violent yes that's actually a good good note yes [Music] injury is the Lord of the Rings yes so bear McCreary which which thing about Rings was better to work on I like I love how they have it on this string this is clever yeah it's clever so you know the real one yeah [Music] foreign [Music] heimdall's a threat not only to atreus to everyone he's Odin's left hand and he carries The Horde begins Ragnarok if we have a chance to eliminate them she's just as lightly on track because the bastard knows your intentions Kratos I've never seen anyone so much as lay a finger on him not one well I gathered what's fit for Gathering oh you have all that totally unnecessary wait all the whole getting the ring thing with his POV they could have done it in a different way where he just comes back with it it does a little weird thing you know but that's just such a cooler way to do it that's so interesting and it stands out as a neat part of this where we follow his perspective it's injuries perspective going to get it yeah and uh the guy's under a lot of stress um and sorting things out and just listening to everybody tearing each other apart as you leave until it fades out and then Fades back in once he's uh got the Ring The Ring itself being really cool little fantasy item and then the storage of it making a hell of a lot of sense you're right they could have not shown us all that but it was neat that we saw him then the sound design flourish was nice yeah to go to spartal fine to get the rest of the materials not to mention we'll have to visit the lady oh that's a relief huh Kratos whatever you're ready foreign [Music] no idea what he's on about brother um but yeah it was an interesting battle conversation basically of course Freya is like all steam ahead go for go grab him kill him down good good good that's that's good Kratos is like he's threatening my son he's forfeit uh obviously the two dwarves being like well you know if you're gonna do it they want their practical responsive like this is how and then Tia being like really really we're just gonna kill another person we don't care about the repercussions we don't care what's gonna happen next we're just gonna kill him and then of course produce just being like why are you being [ __ ] he's gonna go after my son ah time to go I'll take it from here I speak to the lady I never get to speak to the lake there are reasons for that Brock will go what no no no you heard him what's your friend I had heard so much I know right Century being so prideful and ego driven that he wants to see the lady yeah a little [ __ ] let Bronco yeah yeah let Brock talk to girls no you attempted shrimps and this by the way they do this a couple times sometimes they I don't think they always justify it but basically the idea is that we're gonna go on an adventure with uh Brock and Freya and once it's over you're allowed to go back to the game but they can't let you out because there's too many things to change to account for game wide so basically someone uh in swaddle if I'm likely [ __ ] with our ability to realm travel and so uh Brock is going to reopen the Wonders fatal time yeah at some point he'll fix it so that all of them are back open but it's just their way of trying to justify why listen we gotta do some story things we can't have you going off and doing different things until you've done this again not that the gate what's wrong with a bloody gate most likely someone in neither will men making a [ __ ] of the words probably on account of all that incursioning you got up to but don't worry you little dangling head old Brock came prepared I got ways in and out from the old days Gates said never even think to look for on a can of being stupid I'll beat you up there come on Rock I'm gone are you sure he was the right pick for this brother I trust him speaks playing and yet so colorfully um the Brock entry out of all entries other than maybe it's one of the most positive Kratos has where he basically says I can tolerate him yeah like it's like a thing of describing as positives that he's just like I I can I can accept his company it's just like whoa you must really like him you have to let me take Brock's place he can't talk to the lady he mustn't no do not ask again but oh dear Paul detreus ran off you know or are you just being Brock's Champion as you can see new recording the saturation got cranked again don't worry what are you insinuating highness can't the smartest man alive put it together the Giants conceal a mysterious figure who changes the fate of Ragnarok and you're oblivious to the only rational candidate the one who's fought Wars against gods and won I am not the champion well for each entitled to our opinion was that the reason you proposed this Alliance you expect me to lead your armies at Ragnarok that is tyr's job not mine it's plain to see tears know war god anymore nor am I I have left that life behind wow killing Gods you haven't or else what are we doing in this realm forging this weapon your choice you know where it might lead I am only protected I know I know and we both know the place is protecting your child can take you I was just thinking of how Odin antagonized the Giants for Generations nearly wiped them out of existence twice now you may have a role to play in stopping him once and for all don't you think it's possible that's what your wife would have wanted do not presume to know what she wanted I'm not saying anything you haven't thought her secret haunt every step of your path wasn't it when he said that she's standing just in the background and it's such a Freya will remember that moment but when you say that yeah maybe if you talked about your doubts they wouldn't explode when you talk to your son true and this is the funny thing she's become more familiar enough now that she feels like she can take a step into being maybe a bit more critical but hey just because you know he's invested in getting you to be friends in this still subjects you need to be careful when you're talking about him yeah do not doubt who's what I left behind you would never have asked out of me why would she need to ask she saw your fate three of Odin's kin dead because of the path she put you on you don't think she knew exactly what it meant sending you to yotenheim this is mere conjecture and probably quite enough of it highness we're all making an effort to cooperate here after all those ranks is pointing out you get a lot of that dialogue from Mr Mamiya he's like clearly noticing things are getting a little bit more tense and he's like all right maybe we should roll that back chillax guys you're right it's not for me to say look I wasn't trying to provoke you or cast doubt on your marriage it just seems to me your thoughts haven't caught up to your instincts yet and I know something about that meanwhile I'll see what else I can learn while we're here maybe I'll send a few in here you're back to Valhalla for good measure fun there hey hey now we just gotta push on up to the floor hopefully nobody Springs an alarm no what's your nattering Mommy sauce with your protective gear and you never seen a legend in the flesh before than they were to see you they did seem prized all right now I can turn this crank and cap that geyser there hey got another riddle for you what gets bigger the more you take away from well let's see something pops tonight you can't do this to me [Laughter] that clever what a great bit of dialogue that is on the surface a simple fun Riddle That these two characters get to fight over how neat yeah that is a really cool thing that they have and what a clever Little Riddle kudos to those who uh no act it quick yes yep for the league grab some what the wind no you idiot that's the sound of the where oh watch and learn see Dwarven Magic's all about the intangibles the relationship between the stuff what you can touch and what you can't it's about understanding understanding one the nature of the things more important than the form of the name the dialogue is too it's just it's too well written yeah like it's excellent uh and it was kind of fun cutting all of this because when you see it all in a row it's like [ __ ] hell this would have taken ages the amount of work they did absolutely the amount of revisions um funnily enough this was literally pooped out about two hours before this efap was started the stream this this one nice but of course uh yeah by the way this only takes us up doesn't take us to the end is my point uh but I was gonna say you know it is 9 hours and 30 minutes oh yeah look at that we have been going a while the bowl we could do the better I am still fine but obviously I don't want to push everyone to heart attacks or anything so uh just just putting that out there how's everyone feeling you okay I should probably get to sleep um no I'm not gonna cut it off there obviously there's a particular scene it's just James just yelling before you heard everything just ignore James um well so and uh the idea of course is that we're never gonna be able to finish this all in the Stream uh but as long as you're on board Mr Mr Theo and Mark and metal and rags and Frankie and myself we will continue it tomorrow uh from wherever we leave off tonight that's all very acceptable I think uh Theo if you want yeah it's completely up to you just to stay for the upcoming payoff um if chill no problem if you don't want it but yeah if it's okay with everyone else can we maybe do one more hour yeah if yeah I can do it I can do it yeah yeah fine all right puppies are asleep they will not disturb us anymore I don't think oh problem or even the funny thing is I kind of do need to stop the stream eventually so that I can get the rest done before evap starts again I was thinking about that actually I was wondering because the thing is I've got another about hour and a half to two hours of game to play and then I've got to chop all of that up along with another hour I've got left uh the idea of sleeping and being ready for this I'm going to cut that [ __ ] close it'll be tough yeah but I'll try it's so funny this is one of the longest evaps we've done in a while we're still though we're near finished coverage-wise not even a TV show or a movie is it how is everyone but in a good way chat how have you felt about this format do you think it's a little too a little too weird a little too long a little too how we feel I'll obviously check the comments when this goes up as well but it's been a very strange format we've it has been odd and but it's not often that's something like Ragnarok comes around yeah so I think it's strangeness is you know Justified I did say in the metals four just like oh you thought three hour discussion was long we uh it could be argued I think we're past the halfway point in the game but we're up to nine and a half hours of disgusting yeah it's nice to talk about a good makes you appreciate it yeah and hopefully people have a better idea if they were like why the [ __ ] would anyone like this story like hopefully we've given a lot of what we're drawing from it yeah even if you don't super you know connect with it a lot hopefully it will at least get you to appreciate the kind of work that goes into it especially considering that again this is a video game and this is the kind of thing that I definitely am glad to see you know apparently flourish and be appreciated and be beloved by people I want to have games that are more willing to put you know a lot of work into the narrative and the characters not to you know say that it should take a you know a front seat to game play or anything but obviously you can have uh you can put a lot of work in historian characters in games I know I just wanted one was mentioned as a flaws like not covering the side concert it's like dude I can't we did yeah come on I don't know like seriously looking at three streams of nine hours probably if we did that as well um oh yeah we'll try and summarize it and recommend it of course in terms of go search out for the videos if you really want to see what happens in them but like the Freya ones pretty much gonna be talked about so far and it's pretty damn strong uh I feel like all of them are but yeah alrighty then let's uh let us see how far we can get lady then the lady of the forge you know more magical creature in this whole Realm boy I've been waiting for my chance to meet her since I was knee-high to a no kid but Cindy had never have it said but today's finally the day whoa I got goosebumps on my bunions I've never seen your soul ever are you nervous what shut up no [ __ ] you I love that response what no shut up [ __ ] you that's great wow you sure didn't give up on that riddle in a hurry I give up nothing gets bigger the more you take away is it that's right sorted it's desire nope do you mean no desire only grows when you take away everything you desire all right it's not perfect I love that where he says he reads it out to himself and he's like yeah okay that's sure it doesn't really work otherwise you're your answer you won't get it I see no Forge you don't see the form of a forge but we're going to the nature of one I was almost following him for a moment there I um I [Music] [ __ ] the music helps just making it so epic even though it's already pretty awesome yeah it's a final ingredient the blood of a god [Music] foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] it's just like I mean also if you're gonna give Kratos a weapon that's gonna be like oh this is like the final kind of chapter in this this whole Saga What's it gonna be what's actually gonna have some weight to it it's like well we already have his wife's weapon that he started this Saga with and then we gave him his old weapons from the old trilogy what else it's like well what's the first weapon a Spartan uses a [ __ ] Spear and it's like yeah don't forget comboing it with a well-known address to Norse people objectology and what a [ __ ] cool way to contextualize this a repeating spear like for Kratos as well I was like oh what an excellent choice and uh it's pretty good maybe the uh the blood she drags from him it's like the two aspects it shows of the north sorry the Greek God of War symbol and then the uh the Spartan symbol and Chevron yes the uh the idea that that goes in and then it turns into the little uh the Reds uh ribbon whatever it is but like uh Rags are maybe not being too fond of it what are you what are you thinking oh it's it's just the way that it sort of looks when you're with the way that it kind of works with the animations I don't think that the the banner on it as long as it is kind of keeps up with a lot of the animations and I think it can look a little maybe more than just a little silly in some of the actual animations when it's in combat and stuff like uh the way that it looks you know there is it's got a nice Regal ceremonial sort of look to it uh but uh when it comes to actually fighting uh I think it would probably get in the way a little bit and the game doesn't often know quite how to deal with it uh just because of the speed at which the animations can play out but it's just a little aesthetic you know thing which funnily enough like the most praise I have for it is ecstatic as well just the uh oh what a what a what a neat bit of flavor that feels like it it evokes the colors of his uh Spartan history as well to the spear it's just but simultaneously yeah like I said I didn't notice a lot about the animations um but obviously it's one of those things where maybe if you if you see it you don't unnotice it you know yeah well I mean it like it is a bit weird that it did like for people who haven't played the game that are just watching this because you're curious about it um it's a ranged weapon of uh or it has a range property to it where you can basically just throw infinitely regenerating Spears and it does look a little bit strange I think it has a bit of context in the series because that a similar weapon is in Ghost of Sparta as well uh where like you get the I think it's just I think it's the Spear of Sparta that you get and it's it it's a uh ranged weapon that that throws almost exactly the same um and I I think when you think about how that looks in animation it's like okay well if it's just you Chuck a spear and then another one respawns in your hand that is a bit strange looking how fast do you make that look in a way that makes it look good but also feels good as like a projectile weapon in a game and I think that when you're talking about regenerating Spears it's kind of tough to make that look you know the way it should because well I mean I'll just go as far as saying I think it passes a badass check uh and oh yeah for sure not only that um oh yeah I've seen a lot of people say like it's my favorite of the threes and some people like wow the blades right I'm just sitting like oh man all three are [ __ ] great they're just yeah that's that's where I was at with it too I was like I I love all three of them and I I kind of didn't have a uh a Mane as it were yeah I like us they're all functionally distinct and they all save great narrative purposes uh yeah of course there's that it's a nice blending of the two right the Leviathan axes uh slower but a heavy hitter the blades of chaos error of effect really quick not as strong but yeah again real fast and then uh the spear is it just feels like that's a weapon in particular that's better for long range uh and I think single Target focus it can be quite effective as well like overwhelming yeah yeah it's a great buff to the spear uh sorry the shield like the the intention of dealing stamina damage over Health damage I think the the spear is in is a great addition to that and a lot of its upgrades deal with stun damage that um I think I think put it in an interesting spot mechanically with the the other two weapons well I like the you deal Frost damage with the the ax fire damage with his blades and then with the spear you can yank out a status effect from your enemies yeah that's really cool it has a wind property by itself and then when you fully upgrade it it can quickly overtake your play time and spear is very fun to play with yeah it has like really cool runic attacks too yeah almost forgot ma'am it would be an honor if you might bless you force are you uh hello oh it feels bad man hello the [ __ ] was that she is like I weren't even here mermaids don't speak to our Corporal bodies speak to a part of our soul perhaps specifically you might be missing did you catch how he delivered that line The Voice starts to shake toward the end of it because he noticed it earlier he's figured it out and he knows like this is not going to be good news but I gotta tell him yeah it's like yeah now I have to definitely yep [ __ ] oh the music as well oh damn ex brother I knew it I died I [ __ ] died the [ __ ] you want me to blessing yeah well then won't you give us a blessing just [ __ ] off into the two it needs the blessing of a great blacksmith what no no I can't bless [ __ ] I don't have all my soul [ __ ] the blessing wouldn't mean squat it is the nature of a thing that matters yes oh man oh so good the delivery dude oh it's everything all right [Music] made this weapon strike true may it be wielded with wisdom may it be put down when its job is done [Music] so that's one of the best things in the game yeah for sure dude I uh I remember when I was streaming this I did not see that scene coming when he stops to kneel I was like wait wait and then when he says a great Blackshear I was like oh Jesus Christ Kratos really you gotta kill me that he would do this for Brock yeah this is you have to understand this isn't like he pragmatically decided I require a blessing this is my friend is in need right now yeah and the the idea that the inversion of uh Brock's requesting the Bell the blessing from this ethereal like Angelic kind of mermaid thing and she doesn't she doesn't respond to him and then so it's like you have this like Angelic character being the one that doesn't give the blessing and the one who does is the most kind of crass guy that's like constantly swearing and is the most Gruff dude in the game but then it's like nah man but his Blessing is the one that matters right now and it's like uh it's what like once again Kratos showing how far he's coming he recognizes a blessing means a hell of a lot to people like Brock for weapons and items I don't know the Kratos necessarily thinks it's an he would have gotten it from the Creature if if she'd been okay with it with Brock because he would be like yeah sure whatever that's what you do with weapons but noticing how much it means to Brock he's like you know how much you mean to me buddy You Wanna Know I think I want you to bless it annealing to him three quarters of a soul or not you're important to me and yeah it's one of the biggest and best bro moments in anything uh yeah Brock is tumbling all right he's not in a good place and you uh you yanked him out of it and uh yeah I just feel like there's a lot of support in this uh in this game and the previous Brock comes through for Kratos all the time yep and despite being like I said there's lots you can pick up from what Brock says and when yes he is crass yes he is vulgar we can see intention behind everything he does he cares about people he looks after him creators likes him this is a very simple Exchange yeah but it's incredibly meaningful first NPC you meet in 2018 as well on this whole crazy Journey here and yeah good stuff yeah good stuff yep guess we're doing this one boy style yeah listen I appreciate what you said back there it's good to have friends when you find out your brother's a rack stabbing liar no doubt he only wished to protect you my word is called the mate the guy dies he's got the right to know about it big hot ball we all die sometime many of us more than once any more guesses but hard not to just you know I left that lighted on purpose yeah but yes anyway oh boy oh all right it gets bigger the more you take away ah is it tight because the more removed from events you become the larger their scope in your memory no no I [ __ ] love would be as desperation to figure out this rule because he is the smartest man alive he always said he's like a [ __ ] hell I can't make any of this works now that I see it never mind I've got one last favor to ask of the both of you and we can call a square what happened down there in the Forge with the lady that's my story to tell all right agreed oh very well what we doing but Saucy where are we going it is a good spear damn straight it is bruh yeah let me stop you right there killer Brock ain't one to go breaking no confidences not even when it comes to the dearly departed you have no idea how [ __ ] difficult it would have been for Kratos to ask that question by the way yeah it's showing vulnerability doesn't usually do that but it's uh someone she trusts Brock at this point you don't hear me spreading your business all over town do you Smiths don't blam just how It's gotta be I only hope sundry's in one piece did Brock just say butt sausage he did he did it's an offensive thing he said I love me a good butt sausage by the time Brock's done with him the ice beneath those two is thin enough under the best of circumstances no and now it's time for another seed this is good stuff you get uh this is the point in the game I think I set this to free once you reach that Brock scene this game starts to blast off in terms of playoffs good time I just want to talk dad to Dad speaking of which imagine my surprise when atreus came knocking at my door he's doing well by the way and we'll continue to do so just as long as I return to Asgard sometime soon besides our friend here has a has a whole lot to live for arguable run along now but behave yourself do you see that like he opens all of this with a meat Shield yep yep and he barely even like there was no question about that he pretty much acknowledged it it's like yeah you want to get to me you're gonna have to kill this guy yep new spear never much care for Brock can't deny the dwarf's talent you came to speak spear you don't really want war IO Kratos all that blood on your hands on your son's hands I want peace as much as you do perhaps we can find it together having him framed by the spears here has got to be a very deliberate decision what would you drool from it rags oh it's probably I mean the tip of the spear is I mean it's it's one of the spear is probably the most it's just an iconic weapon that refers to war and violence and conquest and to have him essentially framed by this item I mean it's not telling us anything new about him necessarily but it might be telling us that he might have these the these these you know violence is something he's definitely willing to do that you know it sort of maybe frames him underneath him as a character that you know it's just it's a part of his nature and uh or there's something he's willing to do uh not exactly certain just something I just sort of noticed right now yeah no I think it's fair that I doubt this was an accident I don't think they would have framed him this way just by chance um having him with a spear on both ends of a 2d screen it's just like it makes you feel like it's a cool game I don't think in a game where you can very easily remove or add things when you want well that's that's kind of what I was getting at but I mean there is a very low likelihood this was an accident in that they set up the whole area for the the dwarves and they're moving the camera and filming this and they're like oh look some Spears are in the way uh let's just move it so he's in the middle there you go and they didn't think twice about it but I believe because of the way this game was built that this was deliberate and it's supposed to mean something yeah um so yeah uh I mean no matter what he's telling you the the real Odin is ready to [ __ ] kill you basically is what you could get from it perhaps lots of different interpretation a boy of ours is everything I expected so clever kind he's sure he's yours a kid you really ought to be very proud he is the key to peace in our age to break free from all this fate and prophecy my son is not your key do they not have metaphor in your Homeland or rather did they I'm sorry that's not fair genuinely feel like this was a moment of like God [ __ ] damn it my patient's view is running so thin like yep you know what I'm saying don't you can't be this bad faith Kratos like come on like this my son is not joking it's like but the thing Odin's just not gonna be able to crack through is that it doesn't matter what you say he believes you to be a liar and you have his son that's the only reason you're not splitting two right now yep so um yeah this is Odin's attempt to see if it's still too far gone or not um there's also another reason why you could imagine this sweet scene was prompted but a third reason as to why it happens now is because those dwarves are now gone Doolin is there likely those dwarves let Durland know that Kratos just came by and so Odin's come in see if you can either chat with him because this rare that he knows exactly where he is um at least in a place that he can reach not the god you once were and now is your chance to prove it told my son or you may meet God I once was and what kind of God is that great toes what do you even know of godhood in your lifetimes has anyone ever worshiped you ever prayed to you can you even imagine that kind of love no you don't care about Mortals you don't care about anything beyond yourself beyond the monster who kills without cause you fear what you can never even hope to understand is it any Wonder that you're a boy is in no rush to come back to you don't listen to your brother trying to get in your head oh um freeze free choice ways from Odin and he lays all of that on right after Kratos threatened to hurt him yeah yeah Odin is just not in the mood neither is Kratos the big reason why these guys will just keep clashing is uh Odin feels like and you could tell this from the first scene I'm extending Olive branches that I don't have to you understand that and Kratos is like [ __ ] you he's like right man you're a insulin little [ __ ] aren't you um there's some legitimate questions there too about like people like has anyone worshiped Kratos or prayed to Kratos it's like well I don't know maybe like there there was a good gap of time between God of War one so it's not maybe yes uh people have worshiped and prayed to him but I don't think Odin's talking about a literal interpretation he's talking about where who Kratos is right now is is basically chastising him for being immoral like I'm gonna I'm gonna achieve vengeance upon you because you're doing bad things and Odin's like [ __ ] insulted like you're the ghost of Sparta you're like known for being a complete [ __ ] at least I have had like several eras in which I was worshiped and loved have you ever had that I'm not sure whether or not Odin even knows but something he's gonna rip into Kratos well he did Rip into him for is someone that will get to him nobody ever worshiped Kratos because he was a good man yeah nobody ever well and I mean that's that's kind of what I was what my point was that I was like well I I don't know like maybe when I said maybe I was like was Kratos worshiped and loved or was he just the god of war that was there for I mean a little while too I think you did recently right what we see is that Kratos is dominating as the God of War by pushing Sparta to higher and higher highs when I say this like I'm assuming they love and worship him in and as much as he's a strong person who can lead them to Victory um as a quick reference if you remember that guy who loved Damon Targaryen and in episode three of how's the dragon and then Damon [ __ ] steps on him I could imagine there are several characters who um sort of like loved Kratos because of what he did for Sparta but that he wouldn't necessarily notice or necessarily take too much action in avoiding collateral damage when he was godzillaing his way through certain Wars um this is the character that you know we've moved on from that he really doesn't want to become someone who as Odin just put it it's like you don't really care about Mortals you cared about uh The Prestige of Sparta and to un to do the response to wrongs done to you by gods like if we pretend for executed the first game oh no it's entirely righteous it's like well he's the point those games make in the original trilogy is they became bloodthirsty and UNS unsatable um so like what what Odin needle that there is is definitely a truth Kratos as the man he is right now nobody's ever thought to look to him for inspirational love except his son I guess but functionality is a God you know it's a an Odin is offended that this guy is the one to almost threaten and lecture him about like a moral stance he's like you don't know [ __ ] anything about it and like I said I don't even know if Odin knows about all of that stuff the main stories that seem to have passed over is Kratos is the ghost of Sparta and because he had some wrongs done to him he [ __ ] annihilated a Pantheon um I just think there's a lot going on here and uh that interpretation was sort of strengthened once we got to see another payoffs in this game uh yes um a lot of people are very upset because they believe that the developers forgot what happened in God of War II when this comes soon after a sequence that was all about referencing God of War 2. yeah I don't think you should worry too much guys I think they know they're gunning for the uh the other interpretation that he's not worshiped and loved or the actions and the and the inspiration is rather what he was as useful to those in Sparta um and I think he's aware of that he remember he hates who he was back then so it's um you could argue it's just not the same he's not been worshiped for who he is now and who he was then he doesn't even like wannabe again this game is about avoiding that person um he just used it as a threat like I will become that person again if you don't return my son now um and I just think it's a really great move from Odin too and it shows Odin's insecurities he's like [ __ ] you man you're annoying me like why can't you just listen to me why do you have to be this grumpy blah and it's like because you have my son dude yeah you might want to realize how much that that is uh really getting to me and that's why he throws that out at the end like is there any wonder your son isn't coming back to you that [ __ ] hits hard for Mr crater but at the same time threatening Odin and implying Odin is the immoral one he gets uh he gets all upset about that very quick scene lots of [ __ ] achieved thumbs up I'm just up to Bumpers I don't know if anyone else had anything to add you know I yeah um I agree with the way that Odin views maybe his living son right now named you know Thor now he treats him maybe kratos's attitude and Adoration of you know his own adoration but his love of his own son to that degree doesn't quite hit in the exact same way maybe there's an element of own that just kind of doesn't even think to think that in a sense now that balder's dead yeah yeah you know maybe when there was a couple of expression changes right like when he mentioned monster Kratos is uh he's not happy with that one and when he says our son he uh gives him a big old Death Stare too oh boy sorry no no son IA bastard showing up here yeah do you rattled him as much as he rattled you I do worry though if I'm being frank we've crafted a weapon to kill a God one could say you're on the verge of returning to form for those who don't know that is the literal plot for God of War 1. just gonna go try and find something that can kill a god basically does it scare you eating another violent God I'm scared for you brother I can't help but think Kratos said that because that's what he heard at the Norm's place so it's something that's on his mind now too it's like that's when you think about you think of me as like you know close to Odin you ever worry about that because it's gonna be pretty awkward this is why by the way it's best we don't all know everyone's feelings and thoughts at all times about everything uh it's gonna make friendships a little difficult let's see what some things you keep to yourself okay could start a war the war if that no longer concerns you then maybe three is right maybe the Giants had you in mind all along so this drop near spear you're prepared to use it to protect atreus I am no one's Champion but his nor no one's God that may be my form is not my nature ah I I would expect more noises from different people but that's okay I like it another example of finding new ways to use prior lines but they do it so much you can say well yeah because again I'm not flashing back on these ones because like I mean yeah that's just in this game it's [ __ ] great I guess a difference of opinion is hardly the most I'm setting aside for this Alliance as long as the plan is to kill Heimdall the rest matters little there's also the bit of news that Odin has some inkling of what we're up to I thought I heard Ravens damn it what did he say why stress and More Lies what did you expect you think he lies that atreus is in Asgard no on that I'm afraid I believe him then the rest matters little now do the thing you do the thing oh look at that she's special that one ain't gotta tell me have you found a way to reach Asgard um not as such had a few ideas but they didn't so much work brother without a way to ask God what are we doing I do not know to think so you're sure nothing unusual happened with the lady nothing at all and whatever smoothest snail shift like I said [ __ ] for some reason you expected it to flip sideways what no no of course not I'm delighted to hear everything preceded as planned well they did and it was a proper adventure to boot I taught him all about the nature of the thing and the form of the thing become a whole multi you're making up words again I said it was a motif and it was beautiful you are impossible I'm the most possible one around here where are you going brother that [ __ ] exchange is so good yeah completely optional you can miss that if you walk off a lot of people do as well smooth snail [ __ ] [Music] so we're just keeping blindly on there now hoping we don't walk head along into Ragnarok is that your plan listen I've had a long day um I just want to go to sleep and dream of my Ginger it feels deliberate that he tosses the blades while he places the ass yep [Music] [Music] we're saying we rarely ever see him like this but what has happened recently that is unusual that has almost never happened he is a completely lost track of and the ability to protect atreus and uh so really he is incredibly vulnerable right now yeah this is uh and considering the flashback we're about to get and just just this performance it's um you get a very huge sense that this is the worst he has felt in a long time because why did Reyes leave well kinda shout at him feels like he pushed him away and yeah [Music] down the scars from the chains of Olympus do and this uh [Music] the big old torso Scar the Blade of Olympus yep um and then you know you can't help but be reminded of all this history when the last events he just did uh as a mamia put it like you're doing everything you did before yeah all the things you're trying to avoid [Music] and he just [ __ ] misses her yeah look at his face here [Music] foreign the character work is so unreal we just said all of that and it's like you know what else is on his mind he's gonna die soon doesn't know how it's gonna happen like it's this man is dealing with a lot he just knows that there was a painting on a wall of prophecies that have all but come true of his son holding him as he dies all right well your father seems very ready to go shall we then this way grumble do you enjoy the gentle waves little one her father and I traversed this River often one day you will learn to navigate its Waters we live deep in the Wild Ones the most beautiful forest in all of midgard and it is safe and Serene here games plentiful and you will want for nothing oh I'm not far from the place your father and I first met each other's heads off but he's soft someone unfortunately for you he remains dreadfully stoic foreign [Music] I suppose it will fall to me to teach you language your father can teach you to hunt perhaps that will fall to me as well since all he seems to be good for is grunting [Music] have you nothing to say to your son anything [Music] let him learn your voice let him know you [Music] that's why better off not as little as possible knowledge is not always a burden the Mighty God of War frightened of his own child I do not fear our childhood I fear for him he is innocent we are not our failures we are not who we were we must be better atreus is our future keep him safe Kratos protect our sons [Music] I feel [Music] like huh foreign ever do to you good stuff yeah again uh we'll just transitioned the music changes with it as well um so that scene uh God how [ __ ] well integrated it was too because that that whole moment is her really instilling how much it's on Kratos to protect uh atreus when this is coming at a time where he feels like he's failed his job um and then of course giving us everything we need to set up all of 2018 basically the connections several of uh it is it is very evident now where uh kratos's perspective on a lot of things has originated from distilled very clearly by Faye yeah yeah be better we must be better and of course in terms of because at this point we've we've already uh laid the foundation for a lot of the Thematic through lines now we're starting to build them up even more um we are not our mistakes that she that that uh that face telling Kratos this it's really important for him to understand that to move forward um as well as you know reflective of her as well um so it's appropriate that's an appropriate perspective for her to hold and ties in really well with something that feels like at this point one of the big like pillars of the story which is that notion of being better of seeking to be better not allowing to be defined by your history or the role that you uh said to play in the world but to rather you know choose for yourself to strive to be a better person the the really crazy thing too is that we had like Falcon Winter Soldier come out earlier uh it was this year was that was that last year well I certainly hope that people who say you got to do better Senator like when they set out and check out that that's like a meme that better be a meme the thing is though like my point is it's the the execution that like the idea of needing to strive to be better than your nature or better than the default of what you are is is a good value to strive for but just when you execute it in a way that seems earned by the story that you've been building up over the course of two games because the context behind it and Falcon Winter Soldier was he was told several reasons why his plans are [ __ ] [ __ ] and then he just started suggesting and saying [ __ ] like you can end like did he say like you could just transfer all this food all these people who need food as if like that's not a huge plot point in this whole series that they've been trying they already had Logistics set up to try and provide food remember the [ __ ] idiots destroyed it they blew it up the idea that you can just take a resource X and move it to place Y and everything's great like it just shows how much Falcon has no [ __ ] clue what's going on he admits as much in that speech and then he just goes you gotta do better it's the most [ __ ] thing ever yeah whereas in in this game go ahead no no no go for it I don't know I was just gonna say but in this game though they execute that's the same concept of the idea of you need to do better you know in a way that just makes a lot more sense and doesn't it doesn't seem preachy because it feels earned you know or at least that's kind of the way I see it Kratos has locked himself into believing he's already had loads of lines related to this he can't there is no retribution for him there is no recovery he's done so he did what he did and he used to live with that forever a cursed man who just sits alone and tries to live his life bumps into Fae in the Norse world she has surprisingly large amounts of her history that he's not aware of that links them a lot more than he realizes the words she gave in that flashback once you find out about the other side quest stuff it's not just about him it's about her as well uh this this push this desperation to not let that Define you forever and if you can tell like in 2018 you may have been told this earlier on but he's still thinking about it and he's still moving around with it all these different pieces and his his adventures with atreus is being presented all these different events with different choices to be made and then running with the ideas that she's put in his head on top of all the experiences he's had by the time you hit the end of that game he's absorbed it fully you have to we need to be better this is [ __ ] ridiculous at this point everything just keeps getting worse and it's down to our choices sort of thing it's really cool that they gave us that's two of three by the way FFA is an incredibly meaningful scene that binds uh the original trilogy to 2018 even more than it already had I think what I appreciate about it is just again this level of honesty and maturity in terms of exploring that theme right the notion of don't be defined by your mistakes be better that at the end of 2018 which is one of my favorite scenes in that game when Kratos uh is telling atreus like we will be the gods we choose to be you know like we must be better um that he has that perspective and holds that perspective but then he's brought with doubt when things when he makes mistakes again right even though he uh even though he's already um figured out that lesson even though he's already internalized that message uh that that lesson he's still there's still doubts when things go wrong when things don't seem to be panning out as he as he'd hoped they would um it's kind of interesting right that atreus mimir points out that detrayus needs to be allowed to make mistakes on his own which there'll be some interesting stuff for that shortly actually yes well surely but tomorrow I guess the fact that uh it's you know same applies to him he still is going to be making mistakes but that shouldn't stop him from I mean it's it's the line right don't be sorry be better and uh yeah when does this so what what is in this dream in full it's like reaffirming his responsibility to protect and give Fortress while also reaffirming that he should not allow what he was to control what he is and this comes at a point in the story where both of those things are in complete limbo like what is what is the state of atreus is he safe it's like I can't even say I [ __ ] up as a guardian and secondly what is the state of you uh moving on from your past it's like I don't even know I I I'm tumbling right now you know what what are you doing and it's like all that Fury and the weapon and then it's like how do we get to Asgard it's like don't know and so he's just got to sit and absorb the fact that he lost atreus yep especially since the whole proceeding the whole preceding section of this game is is people sort of going like wait so like you're gonna go kill God again like is that what's Happening Here like you're gonna you're gonna follow through and basically do what the prophecy says you're gonna do like is that what you're committing to and the percentage of this amazing thing that's happened he's moved on thanks to Fey and atreus but atreus getting threatened is is almost forcing this pathway in front of him that looks too much like his old self mm-hmm so um yeah um I suppose it's not his fault that the kid can just blip to a new place the The Arc of what's happening between atreus and Kratos is getting a whole bunch of stuff soon yes it is yeah it is but I think that is a good place to pause we've got yep plenty more to do in fact I think more people will be if they were to have to choose the first half so to speak in the second half I imagine the second half is the part they really want to see Coventry for but you're gonna have to wait because of the fact that we just did that for 10 hours and 20 minutes yeah like I think I have to face that I won't be able to finish this with you tomorrow no why not is it because I have to work on Monday okay but I'm I'm in a similar position if you guys to be fair we've covered what was that uh four hours and 20 minutes what remains should be around about two hours and 10 minutes something like that okay but we'll be talking about it more because that's when all the payoffs are starting a while really I was gonna suggest this is if I don't know if you can all shoot this down if you want did you want to start slightly earlier or do you what's what's the I mean yeah I'm awake anyway okay grandma I'll just no it's Rex no I'm sure she's a fine lady yeah if makes it easier for everybody else getting up earlier uh or not getting up early because all you'll be awake well um okay then then we'll aim for a 6 PM GMT start uh uh Mark and Theo how are you guys feeling about that yeah that's fine for me that works 1pm it's the middle of the day all right then um well before we go how about everybody talks a little bit about what they get up to in life uh we'll go with Mark first why not hi I'm Martha cyborg I make um YouTube videos about video games and um I also stream on Rumble pretty regularly and I'm on locals as well a local uh sorry Mark the cyborg.locals.locals.com sorry ah gosh I'm running out of breath here I'm very tired sorry and um yeah every so often I'll give away free Steam games too so that's fun and yes I I am an actual Cyborg I only have one like are you reviewing Ragnarok okay you being a cyborg isn't about you not having a leg it's about you having a robotic leg Yeah nail this in the bud right now I only have one human like and I walk with the assistance of a robot like also is that nailed this in the bud how long have you been awake rags do you nip people's buds because I nail people's buds what do you nail it in the bud and nip people in the butt is that is that he went with the butt that's fair no the bud you just know I'm right nail him right in the bud butt um well you know what go right ahead I'm I'm quite a I'm I'm Progressive I'll allow it glad to hear that I'm glad to hear that that's good that's good stuff I like it I like it as for me making a video on the on road sorry I asked for me making a video on Ragnarok though um I I did a um history of a franchise thing for geeks and Gamers on God of Wars so what I kind of wanted to do for Ragnarok was release what I I was calling like DLC for that video because it was a history of a franchise that was up until the point that 2018 came out Ragnarok obviously had not been out but now it is so it's like hey if I made the video now what would that segment be and that's what I'm looking to do hey sweet alrighty um I believe links are in description but if they're not that would be rectified no probably um thank you but yeah uh if you want to talk about your your new video you put out that uh maybe another deal with me Shut the [ __ ] up leave me alone okay I'm sorry and uh Mr matumblo what about you hello it's me German man no I'm uh we we did the forge on this game yesterday uh it was not as long and was much more I don't know random just picking out random topics just going through characters and stuff that was phantisms uh yeah I'll do metals Forge every week now and sometimes even more than once a week when there's a lot of sludge going around but what is the for now let's plan topic uh well my next plan topic was Kalisto protocol but now that that game wasn't fairly unplayable I actually don't know maybe I'll do just some I know there's a bunch of trailers that came out and just some stuff to talk about maybe I do like one of these I don't know random things I don't know what did you guys call it like a media medley or whatever yes oh yeah so I'm so I might do do one of those and just talk about some stuff that has been coming out maybe see what Kalisa protocol is up to at that point a cluster protocol might be good video fodder because it is pretty bad and um when in doubt just replay Dead Space Two because I you know what why the Dead Space remake is out when is it March uh I think it's the end of January actually well yeah I think it's like a month from now or something if I'm not mistaken I'm all set up and ready to stream Dead Space one and two and I'm looking forward to it Resident Evil 4 remake is the end of March and um we played that recently and oh boy it holds up of course it does it's Resident Evil 4 it's bitching for people who who were wondering it's like metal where are you where are you you're gaming streams I haven't seen you on Twitch in ages that's because I don't stream on Twitch anymore I can't even you can't even subscribe there anymore I'm not even Affiliated anymore I I asked the twatch uh I'm doing all my streams over on the YouTubes now on That Metal Sports channel Hey so uh yeah that's why I've been playing oh my god of war and putting the the Watts on the archive as uh as as you used to if you've been following that um but yeah I mean I wanted to stream Kalisa protocol but I don't know I think I'm just going to be streaming some Demon Souls remake which has been patiently waiting for me to get out of this uh crazy crazy God of War month I had oh yeah this is this has been quite a good way to sort of drain it from your thoughts to get everything out in in the course of 20 [ __ ] hours I'd imagine after after I played scorn I needed some good cleansing and took a month but um I'm good now I'm good um and yeah uh some people are asking when is 6 p.m GMT from now um Google is your best friend for stuff like that I can tell you instantly however in relation typical start time what might it be yeah right all I was gonna say yeah this is literally 12 hours from now um so everyone everyone has that 12 hour window to do human things and sleep wait so in 12 hours from now um I won't be able to do that would you were you not listening to that conversation I I guess I I thought I I guess I I thought it was going to be like a Wednesday thing I no I I I oh yeah tomorrow Wednesday right oh no I no well uh point being I cannot do it tomorrow no uh right that's uh enormous monkey reg uh that just slapped right into the entirety because the other the problem is I can't be like oh we'll figure this out it's the what I can do though is when I'm done with my things I can join the stream and just have and just join it late well obviously because it might be I'm trying to make it so that everyone here can make a bit like how much would it cost you do you know how much would it uh how many hours in terms of time oh let's see uh 12. I might be two three hours late two or three well you'll definitely catch the end you know the big big big parts of the game you might miss that one bit the big one of the big bits um yeah yeah well I can always re-watch it afterwards no I know I just um I miss it live genuinely saying you know I'm sure people would like to know your input on lots of it and stuff but obviously the only problem is that we are impossibly stuck for because the thing is next dfab is already set for Saturday and I I gotcha yeah I just it is it is something that I uh I can't miss it is it's not it's not something I could miss but it should only take me like I said maybe two three hours until I'm able to uh get back so I mean it's not that bad definitely a booty call all right all right okay that's fine in fact I'll allow it uh but yeah you know just um we knew this would be a long boy the whole thing oh yeah yeah there was no Miss uh no mistaking that there's way too much to go this one has it has it's a lot of good stuff oh I've had plenty of fun and there's so much left obviously we haven't touched the majority of the big payoffs um we can't have wrecks can we get fenria we have fun we're at home no no when we were at home we heard friend were at home okay a number of times during the stream yeah yeah my friend rear Dome is a poodle and Chihuahua all right uh shouldn't delay anymore because yeah we all genuinely need to reset and be able to prepare for doing this all over again so um yes thank you all well unless of course uh Rags bringing anything you guys wanted to say um not at the moment no uh still uh setting up some things moving some stuff over kind of chilling for uh just a little bit longer with uh things before I get back into it so I've got I've definitely got stuff planned I'm uh feeling a lot uh definitely got things I want to get done I've got a list list of things I want to start knocking out yeah uh obviously super chats will be all done at the end of the second part of this nice and uh sectioned and chronologically fleemed like I said I'm trying to grab the ones that are relevant as they come in here and there but I'm missing them but we'll make sure to catch everything by the time we hit the end of total ragnarok's story and then uh next Saturday the plan is to do the the Lost presumably of the God of War Ragnarok streams in which we'll check out many common criticisms um it's going to be exciting and fun I'm sure regardless though thank you all very much for uh joining us keeping us company for the kind donations and well just be in you you be a new chair we will see you in just about 12 hours unbelievable yay Cheerio see you guys tomorrow you flim flams oh my God in three minutes it won't be tomorrow in three minutes It'll be today oh my God yeah so I guess in some places in the world yeah yeah it's been today for a whole hour for me I've been today for most of the day um I'm heading up the rear

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