E.D.I. Mean (Outlawz) on 2Pac, Suge Knight, Nas, Left Eye, Keefe D, Mob James (Full Interview)

all right here we go edi i mean of the outlaws what's up my guy what's up man what's up one of my real friends is in the building right now we talk all the time we do we keep in contact all the time we'll be having lunch more often if uh not for this craziness that's happening right now ah yeah but we still manage to communicate yeah chop it up about a plethora of subjects of course and it's always good yeah i was actually on your show last time no doubt we had a great time great interview absolutely talking about stocks and bitcoin absolutely right before the bitcoin crash which i've gotten into not bitcoin but stocks i've i've recently gotten back into it and i'm i'm all i'm all the way in dope dope it's an interesting time to be investing right now yeah it is yeah um before before our interview i always like to go through the the person's catalog so i really got to listen to a lot of your music uh this morning i never realized how great of a song real talk is that was actually the top song on spotify you think of outlaws it is man it is we recently just put that back into our show you know what i mean when we were out moving about before everything took place doing shows we decided to put real talk in because i've realized what you just said that is probably our most popular song post tupac that we've uh recorded as a group right and that album is just you and noble no that album was actually castro was still in the group oh okay yeah he was still in the group then he's actually on real talk he did a crazy verse at the end of real talk and um yeah you know what i mean that was a outlaws for life 2005. was napoleon like no longer rapping by that time no he was done by that point okay okay and why did castro why is he no longer the in the mix um you know i i always like to when i speak about castro i tell people that this was never castro's dream like the rap wasn't really something he wanted to do it was really more you know if you talk about tupac castro and y'all fail it was more me and pox thing we we wanted to be the rappers poc obviously had other aspirations as far as acting and all of that but you know castro never really wanted to be a rapper he kind of just wanted to be around get the girls you know have a good time you know what i mean but he was he's he still is and was a very smart person a very intelligent person always got very good grades in school used to help me with my math you know what i mean and could have went on to do anything you know what i mean anything he wanted to do but he got caught up in the in in the rap dreams that that we had and and you know what i mean so having that said that you got that him not really never really wanting wanting to be a rapper and then what it takes to maintain a career is there's a lot to say the least that's an understatement yeah i mean when you no longer have big songs on the radio and you have to figure out you've got to really be maintaining an income and switch things up and reinvent yourself and be able to adapt the whole internet situation comes into play i think he just lost tastes for it you know i mean after a while yeah well at least he was honest with himself yeah but what's he doing these days um he's actually in school oh yeah um for uh architecture engineering and um he's doing good well and then i got to also check out the still i rise album that has some real gems on it yes it did that has some real real gems so that was released in 99 so after pock's passing okay why did you guys decide to put that out well um that was a project that we was we was in the process of working on before he passed away obviously we had a lot of songs together and so some of those songs were you know teaching we were in class and some of those songs were yo this is dope we're going to use so we didn't get to collectively pick the album together with poc obviously or or uh gaddafi but um you know we we always had that that that that was in the arsenal you know what i mean after machiavelli that was ready that i was ready to go it was going to be our debut we was going to do the album together you know park specifically said i'm going to be a member of the outlaws this is this is you know machiavelli's my solo album i've lost a group album and we're going to do it like a full-fledged group and we was already in the process of recording those songs so it was kind of like you know thankfully you know a fanny with her blessings kind of just let that be just a little late of something i was already gonna drop you know what i mean it was just a little late but what label it came out of the death row it came out of under partnership death row and the scope of morrow okay so was it really under death row or death orders well to some of the music well it kind of you know suge had say so okay he did have say so so what was that process that's probably that's the reason why we only had one single huh meaning what baby don't cry because you know uh suge wanted some things and and you know we weren't in agreement with that and so he was like i'm i'm shutting it down what did she want uh some things okay you guys weren't cool with it yeah put it i'm gonna be you know frank we wasn't with it at all okay and because of that after the first single the promotion stopped yeah the budget stopped because interscope i think didn't want to deal with him you know now he's he's he's upset you know and so it's like uh we're just gonna walk away from this and it's a it's a platinum it's on his way to platinum baby don't cry it's charting all over the place you know what i mean um and it just got shut down we was ready to do the next single and it just that's it right and you're on the ball and you're on baby don't cry you're on the second verse yeah uh noble's on the third well what's also interesting is the first song letter to the president you start that off and that's such a very interesting song right now especially crazy what's going on yeah somebody dm me that what i said and you know what i mean and asked me why i said that you know and it's because you could just go back through history and just see the same conditions especially if you want to talk about police brutality racism you know all of that stuff has been a part of american history pretty much since day one so i'm not a genius because i said it ain't getting better you know what i mean you know pox he's a genius but it didn't take a genius for him to say it's going to be some stuff you're going to see in the future that's going to make it hard for you to smile because that's [ __ ] life yeah yeah that's pretty much life i feel you and i just interviewed craig hodges are you familiar with the history not and you know i know the ball player well let me let me tell you craig hodges who played with the jordan bulls has two rings with the bulls the second time he won his championship they went to go visit the white house now keep in mind uh craig craig hodges grew up in a household in chicago where his mom was like angela davis essentially you know he would go to meetings uh he would hand out pamphlets you know uh voter suppression was a big topic in his house his mom had a big afro like you know very much a pro-black household so when he went to go to the white house to meet the president he went into daishiki and he wrote a handwritten letter to george h.w bush bush senior and after that letter was dropped off he never played in the nba ever again and you get dropped by the bulls right and no team calls you not at all do you think that was a in retaliation to that letter absolutely man and you know what's so funny about it is that as we sit here it'll be like somebody pulling you can't do black tv tomorrow starting tomorrow you can't do normal black tv you'll be like man look at my credentials man i did 12 years i got i got i got a library work get the [ __ ] out of here true story we just interviewed him and we'll cut to this little part here so people could see for themselves he never played coming off a championship no what team would just no team would pick him up and one one guy from i believe the supersonics basically told him hey man brothers got to pay their bills if you know what i mean being like you coming over here i might be out of a job so it's like a precursor to the kaepernick situation it's exactly what that is he never played again and years later phil jackson brought him in as an assistant coach with the kobe lakers and he won two championship rings nice on that side nice so it was a nice ending phyllis to that story phil is the best man yeah gotta love phil man that's dope yeah phil didn't get but that's crazy that that that that that that story was suppressed like you never heard that like yeah this is my first time hearing that story yeah and you're into stories like this absolutely and basketball right you were named after malcolm x exactly hence your first name malcolm absolutely right just goes to show i'm supposed to know this title you're supposed to know this kind of thing that's right and i didn't know that story but that's you know that's that's crazy this is a true story he never played for the nba again all because of a letter to the president he wrote a letter to the president that you guys wrapped that must have been a hell of a letter yeah that must have been a handwritten letter at that and handwritten that that yeah and you can't hand a letter directly to the president right when you're at the white house so he gave it to like one of his aides and they assured him and he said that when he met with george bush and said hey i wrote you a letter and he said the bush was very friendly oh really okay you know okay i look forward to reading it well thank you you know he he was very he was very cool about it so tell me he talks about the what what the letter it basically was about that well i'm supposed to get a copy letter actually okay i i haven't read it yet all right so i'll be watching he's supposed to send me a copy so you know we'll uh we'll we'll show some extras be interesting to see what that letter said yeah yeah but a very very uh true story and this is actually the guy that tried to push jordan to uh basically not renew his deal with nike because at the time they were playing his nike deal was coming to an end and he said you're big enough where you don't need nike anymore you could build factories in chicago and employ black kids and start factories in in north carolina and so forth jordan wasn't trying to hear that that's what the republicans buy sneakers too you know jordan got a right to feel that way man i i i really you know um i know a lot of people especially under the umbrella that i sit under will feel like jordan is supposed to do something he doesn't have the right to do anything he's in business this is business you know what i mean like he doesn't he doesn't have to set up a factory in chicago you know even though millions of black kids buy his sneakers he doesn't have to do that you don't have to set up a factory in chicago and go through all the the work behind starting your own company and nobody even could imagine what it would take to do that right you don't have to do that you don't have to donate millions of dollars but you have situations where there was a black candidate that was running against jesse helms in north carolina who is an established racist and jordan's own mother said hey just take a picture with the candidate to show some level of support and jordan would not do that something that caught something that cost him nothing absolutely except maybe a sponsorship later on you and i probably would do it in the heart in a heartbeat jordan's a different animal yeah that's why he's michael jordan you know what i'm saying more ways than what and you glad and i'm easy i'm glad you know what i mean but you know i just you know at this age of my life that's how i look at things you know if you have expectations you'll always be disappointed especially with humans humans are going to disappoint you every time if you have expectations and people have expectations of jordan and that's why i'm glad this came out because you get to see the good the bad the ugly you know what i mean you could kind of just like he was superman to us and so now we see michael jordan as really a human being you know what i mean he's great at what he do he got some [ __ ] up [ __ ] about him just like everybody else yeah you know what i mean like that come on man and this you know that's that testosterone it's a guy sport like we was we was about as bad as that or worse than that in the studio yeah i bet [Laughter] was relentless yeah and uh black jesus was on that album as well and that's has the the smoke my ashes line and tupac which you guys took literally after tupac died the outlaw smoked his ashes is that true yeah it's definitely true you know um i think it was the night of the night of his own had a little memorial form you know with his mom his family and we hit the beach and um you know through a lot of he liked in the beach you know some weeds some some chicken wings some you know he loved orange soda all that kind of [ __ ] in the ocean yeah yeah you know he popped love that kind of so you know we was just giving them our own you know um farewelling them that night um you know i forgot which one of us came up with it you know they had his ass that was a request that was the is that the line that made you guys smoke the ashes yeah i mean you know what we were told were ashes you know what i mean like we definitely gotta make sure we say that but um that was a conversation that we had prior to even doing that song oh okay so the song was uh was a byproduct of him actually talking about it the song was just a song and he had that line in there yeah because you know i mean that's what he chose to talk about on the song but it wasn't like we had that conversation now we're gonna go do a song about it you know what i mean the conversation was a real conversation he was giving us some history on where it came from what he learned about it you know what i mean why um it was something that he thought was interesting and you know what i mean yeah wouldn't that be some you know what i mean if one of us died and you know what i mean just so we always a part of each other we did that wouldn't that be something you know what i mean talk about when you're young and you're high hey i i don't want the people close to me smoke my ashes that actually sounded kind of cool yeah well it's something the native americans did certain oh really yeah that's where oh this is not something he just came up with now because he went to he had native american friends that he went to school with that told him about that i don't know whether it was in the bay or in baltimore but yeah so it was it was an actual you know lesson behind that you know what i mean and that's where other songs like made came from and illuminati would come from these real conversations that we would just have you know what i mean without being in the studio you know i mean yeah well i'll put it out there too anyone who's close to me man you're welcome you're welcome to smoke my ashes so that's what i'll make i'll make my family have it publicly not publicly but privately available to certain people my will yeah yeah you know be a part of part of the people i care for i like it i like it and you know this interview was sort of uh was kind of triggered by a conversation you and i were having about eminem's statement saying tupac was the best songwriter of all time and lord jamar not agreeing with that right so let's talk about that for a second yeah well you know obviously like i said i'm biased but i'm also biased with what i believe are facts you know um i think the argument that was used was that pog was more of an emotional artist than actually lyrical or whatever the case may be which would not put him in the criteria of a great songwriter and i categorically disagree because music the whole foundation of music is emotion you know whether you're happy you got your happy songs you depressed you got your depressed songs you wanted you about to have some good some relation time with you your uh your mate you got marvin gaye all the greats made you feel some kind of way immediately and then you got into them lyrically and and and sonically but it was the emotion that that captured you and and that's what poc did the best according to what they said you know what i mean he was great at evoking emotion you know what i mean and then lyrically i mean you you he's he's probably one of the most quoted artists of all times you know i mean he has bars that that are still being quoted memes is still hundreds and thousands of memes being made to this day like he's at home posting himself right you know what i mean so the argument that eminem has i could see why he would say that because as an artist i'm sure eminem would rather you feel something from his music and then trip off for him lyrically later that's what i believe you know what i mean he may say now i want you to get my lyrics first but to me most artists want you to feel them i want you to feel my music although eminem is more of a technical you know multi-technical syllable type of scientist absolutely like he's the one i mean didn't he win some sort of like guinness book of world records on like his last night i heard something about that like i think the godzilla song had the most number of syllables in a rap song ever uh like not a lot of people could do that yeah there's like him twister tech9 is a small group of absolutes that could pull that off tupac would never rap like that that just wasn't really his thing not at all he wasn't trying to get the song thugs in harmony he wrapped his own style yeah yeah everyone else was doing double time he said right now come right in i'll probably be punished for hard living oh you know what i mean i can't do that i'm gonna go twice as slow as you guys because i need y'all to hear me and feel me yeah and it worked and it worked and you're right i guess the best songs are emotional songs that's what music is no woman no cry not a lyrical masterpiece not at all on a piece of paper that's not going to blow you away right anyone could write that someone who doesn't even speak english that well could write it's not going to blow you away right but when you hear it it's like ooh yeah the emotion behind it and then you start to get into what bob is saying and you that's what makes him one of the greats because you're like wow that resonate was with my life you know what i mean that that i can i want to make that a tattoo it means so much to me i needed tatted into my flesh you know what i mean and that you can find that all over the world when it comes to tupac lyrics yeah yeah and he probably has more murals than anybody in music probably yeah uh such a symbol of the protest you know too i would even argue that he's an underrated songwriter you know what i mean with the with that even with the accolades that he got and the millions of fans that he's got i would even argue that he's that he's underrated because his range is another thing that i don't think people really pay attention to this is this is a guy who wrote dear mama and hit him up like they how extreme of emotional spectrum is that to be under one artist catalog you know what i mean most artists stay in the lane and they comfortable there and they do not venture out at all especially when it comes to hip-hop i mean biggie stayed in his lane the whole time the whole time great a great lane to be in and kilted a phenomenal artist for that take this he owns it he owned that lane but there was really nothing outside the lane that he went too far from nah everything was about balling making money some some thugged out yeah type something he did have his songs like suicidal thoughts you know i don't want to live no more you know yeah he would get you know show some vulnerability here you know what i mean and yeah but by the second album that was all gone he wasn't getting it and one of his one of my favorite songs from the second album sky's the limit was that was that was that one jewel that he gave everybody you know what i mean and even in that songs biggie is still you know the centerpiece the winner he's the yeah you know what i mean i made it out check me out you know what i mean and and killed it that's my favorite biggest song of all time sky's the limit yeah well you're talking about hit him up i remember one day you pointed out to me that you were the last surviving person on that song depressing sometimes to think about that because even johnny james go yeah even the producers yeah and another record all about you because even nate's not here no more you know i mean snoop is still here at the end but most of the people on that song was gone too except for snoop except for snoop and he just did the the outro right he's not even on the song yeah nate dog has gone who did they beat johnny j oh how did johnny j pass they said he died in jail it was uh came out that it was he committed suicide you know um but i think he fell off one of the tears jumped off fell off i'm not sure it was really sketchy you know what i mean the story that came came out about jay yeah yeah sad that he was even in jail at the time too well uh fat joe was on live recently and he was talking about how he purposely never liked park because of his friendship with biggie but then uh when he heard changes that made him change his mind he actually cried when he heard that song and what you pointed out was that tupac row changes at 19. that was an old song that guy i was on his interscope demo oh right and he didn't use it for two apocalypse now i don't know if he couldn't get the sample clad at the time because that's uh i think that's bruce hornsby yeah and uh but yeah 19 maybe even even yeah i'd say 19. yeah and you could hear it in the rhyme style that was like okay i haven't been rapping that long i need to stay on beat the whole time let me not really hop around you know kind of bend my words and you know do the stylistic things that he learned how to do later on i got i got a message so i need you to get into the message and i don't need to uh you know tie you up mentally with too much trickery yeah i'll be honest when tupac first came out with two apocalypse now i did i didn't really see the vision of it uh brenda's got a baby uh that was on it right that was the standout keep your head up was on there no i was on the second second okay so brenda's got a baby i thought was to me was the one stand out on that album was like oh okay this is actually like yeah he's a big song right here like a real deep right important song especially at that time yeah trap came out and i'm like this is cool you know you know you had shock g in the video that was kind of like the hook in a way but it wasn't i think until the second album that he really all right guys he found a formula yeah you know what i mean he found a formula which was uh you know um i guess in a way splitting the gemini in half and saying i could do these records for the fellas and i can also do these records for the ladies and um give in the scope the singles that they want still keeping my core fan base satisfied you know what i mean and um doing it with you know okay production at the time you know yeah he didn't get the best beats at that point nah shock zoom definitely gave him a gem when i get around you know what i mean dj daryl gave him a gym with keep your head up you know but pock didn't spend a lot of time on picking beats because again it was what he had to say and and the beat was just a backdrop for the for the message that would that for him was most important yeah yeah i mean until he got to death row and then it was more beat me and me against the world death row era he started to pay a little bit more attention to to production and spend a little time on it yeah then by that point every producer wanted to work with him you know he was on death row which was a hit factory right dr dre all the best producers was right there you know doctor you didn't have to go nowhere yeah uh a lot of people don't know that you have a a baby with tupac sister you're always a man now actually he's a big baby he's amazing he's actually a man how old is he he's 24 24 yeah okay and you just don't hear a lot about poc's sister period sometimes you even forget that he has a sister you know because she's just she doesn't do interviews she's not is she on social media um i'm not sure i believe here and there but not prominent on social media nah if you know if she's if she has something to uh i guess promote as far as the foundation yeah she'll do you know she'll do something like that but she's she's not thirsty she's not looking for yeah any limelight or anything like that how did she take the death of her mother um you know one of the last things i said to her was uh i hope i'm as strong as she she is right now when my mother eventually goes you know i mean because that's tough you know i mean they had a a very close relationship and i'm i'm sure it's still not easy but you know she's strong yeah it must be tough with such a a big figure like affini and seeing her mom go through the death of her son at 25 was it 25 how did she take the the death of pot a fanny no his sister um the same like devasta devastated you know what i mean like for years a lot a lot a lot of time and you know um grieving you know what i mean grief is a it's a long-term process it's not something that just you know gets wrapped up six months 12 months two three four yeah you you miss somebody and you love somebody forever yeah i mean i lost my dad since our last interview so i i got to we spoke about that yeah we spoke we spoke about it yeah it was it was a tough one so you know yeah i do unfortunately uh so now the state is run by who exactly your guess is as good as mine right now flat out you know cause wasn't it with tom wally here i know he definitely you know um had something to do or still has something to do but i'm really not sure you know i really uh that that that part of tupac's life is has been out of my control was never really in my control um i had limited uh control over musically in the beginning but um it's other people that handle tupac's business now and i'm i'm not one of them and for my own peace of mind insanity it's best that way you know what i mean because i was getting very you know i think i was getting too caught up in in in in his [ __ ] instead of focusing on my [ __ ] for um for a long time you know what i mean that's why i don't even really you know like to do a lot of interviews anymore because they turn out to be you know more pop you know leaning but i understand you know i'm a part of i'm part of history you know what i mean you know i also don't want to be stingy with that history too you know what i mean and if people can get jewels and learn something and and you know take our history and and add on to it and continue pushing it forward then i'm all for that well the last time we spoke was right before the movie came out you were in the movie i hadn't seen it yet the movie comes out i personally liked the movie the overall reception was somewhat lukewarm would would you say the reception to the tupac movie was better or worse than the biggie movie for me it's funny because we got a little backlash from the biggie movie because of the portrayal of tupac in it and some fans felt like we let them do that even though the outlaws personally have zero amount of control over what goes on in a big movie especially around tupac there was other people that had to approve that they had to sign off on that and trust me when i say this the outlaws were not even close to that meeting yeah you know what i mean we we didn't even know about it but then you get to the pock movie and it's kind of the same kind of backlash so what i always knew was that you know to quote the great ball of gay ain't not like the real thing like essentially what people want is pop they would rather have pock come back and play himself because no matter who you put on that screen they're not going to be able to match that energy that that was in real life well to be fair the criticisms weren't really aimed at the guy who played tupac not at all he did a solid job he actually did a solid job what was his name demetrius ship jr demetrious jr most people said yeah looks like him did a reasonable job acting like him that's not really my you know my qualm with this movie would you agree i absolutely agree i said that before it came out i said he carries the movie he carries the movie it's not like oh they should have gotten someone completely different now jada pinkett didn't really work you know you could you could make an argument for her being miscast but poc i'm not i'm not too mad at that shug yeah you know they they keep for using the same sug you know in a lot of different movies and they use them again they'll use them again i mean they use the biggie from the vicky movie that works biggie twice don't don't uh don't fix it because he did a solid job in the biggie movie he did a solid job at a solid job so why not bring him back why not um i i could see where i just felt like nothing would satisfy when it comes to poc it's not much that's going to satisfy people other than him you know what i mean because it's very you know um you could pick apart any movie you could go in just about any movie unless we talk about the perfect ones and there's only a couple handful of those but you can go about pick apart any movie and say i didn't like this scene i didn't like that they didn't tell this right they didn't do this right and you know we can all monday quarterback all day long yeah well the way it was shot i didn't i didn't love it some of the scenes didn't seem like they were properly lit you know the direct director of photography i guess that was his job i don't think he hit a home run on that script-wise it wasn't phenomenal uh there was an ipad in one of the scenes i still didn't see that i know somebody saw a outtake from from from an edit but i didn't see in the movie i think it's in the movie in the actual movie the actual movie yeah yeah it's like when they zoom in like with him and the bmw i got to go back and look at it there's there's a there's an ipad the guy even made a video he pulled out the ipad like this is look at this this is the same thing you never seen that nah i saw the outtake because i know they they had some behind the scenes you know what i mean but i didn't see it in the movie when i watched the movie i didn't catch that yo so i'm watching all eyes on me i like this movie don't get me wrong but please tell me my eyes are deceiving me is that a ipad and demetrious lap that's an ipad it happens man i mean you know what are you gonna do now about it the movie's cut it's edited is out well they made a couple steve jobs movies there's really no reason why they can't make another two-part absolutely and people well people you know with their obvious this displeasure sometimes with the movie yeah i tell them that people there were other people in position that had opportunity to make this movie and you know chose to do other things right you know there was a john singleton situation i personally thought he would have done a great job yeah i think i think we've done a better job than benny i wish it could have worked out right because when you watch snowfall and you see his hands in a project in that in this era i still haven't caught snowfall phenomenal one of the best series on television and they told me he liked it it's that good it's like the prequel to boys in the hood with a bigger budget and better campus wow i've been to one day yeah it's it's that good and you could tell if just just the cinematography and the the tension and the drama of it legendary director man yeah john singleton is one of the greats yeah period rest in peace is john singleton i wish it could have worked out you know what i mean but the movie you know ended up coming out the way it did uh shout out to benny boom who i felt like did his best you know with what he was working with and and the whole team went in there to do a great job you know what i mean like i was there pretty much 75 of the time and nobody was sleeping on the job nobody was just there for a payday they really wanted to do a great movie and out of tupac the right way yeah yeah man i feel you i feel you i like i said like i started beginning the conversation i actually liked the movie so for me being a tupac fan i walked out of it happy that i saw it i tell you this vlad i get more positive positivity from that movie then i do negativity you know i mean especially out in the world you're always gonna have your social media idiots that you know ain't got nothing better to do but when when people see me out in the world they man look thanks for that we wanted that yeah you know what i mean the poc fans wanted a poc movie right then when they get on social media he didn't have his he had a green bandana on this day they got him in a brown one this movie is trash [Laughter] with some people you're just never going to win so right you can't live your life for them right right it'll always be miserable well you know a lot of my guests in the course of our interviews tupac's name comes up you know we talked about lord jamar recently and uh michael come up in a lot of people's interviews man what's that i said park name come up and a lot of people interviewed yeah that dude's still working still working still still making weight and working man well michael j white he recently recently did an interview with me and tupac's name came up yeah you saw it i saw i see headlines okay so what michael said is this he said that he's hung out with pock a few times they would play pool together they would hang out uh oh don't they would kind of do silly like have like multiple multiplication table contests and he said he was kind of like almost like a nerd in a way like in terms of like like his the things that he was into like you know some of his interests he said he was really funny to be around but he said that at certain points he would just start acting gangster what he what he described as starting at gangster and say certain things you look around like oh okay some black people walked in and he felt like tupac would go into character around certain people you know tupac and i we we would do goofy like uh challenge each other with multiplication rock that was on school schoolhouse rocky like he would be like just just a different kind of dude right but then like we would be playing and all of a sudden he'd go back into yeah i'm a good i'm like somebody black must have walked into the room yep there it is uh and then he went on to say that he feels that being in character being into that bishop character is what ultimately led to his demise what do you say to that i don't know i mean uh i'm not a therapist i'm not a psychiatrist i i wasn't sitting around analyzing my homeboy when we were together you know i know most human beings have multiple sides to them you know what i mean i don't know too many one-dimensional human beings some are more extreme than others you know what i mean park was a gemini quintessential gemini to the t you know what i mean so um you know i just really feel like uh some people have their own perception of pock and you know they got a right to that you know what i mean like he obviously didn't really know poc because if he did he would he would understand or be able to say from a you know from from a place of familiarity why he observes this individual this way but if you don't know somebody and you've only had casual interaction with them you're going to sum it up you're going to sum them up with whatever information you're privy to and that might not be enough to really so-called analyze a person to make a statement like that but again he has a right to that yeah i don't know anyone who's gangster all the time and i know some gangsters you know i know i know some murderers gangsters cry they laugh yeah they're goofy yeah you know what i mean i know real gangsters killers too and they all of that they eat at restaurants and could turn on a dime yeah yeah yeah there's really people that could turn on a dime be laughing and giggling with you and shoot you in the next breath it's really people that exist like that but maybe michael john white hasn't had interaction with those kind of people you know what i mean or you know maybe he doesn't see you know maybe he's one way so he expects most people to be the same way i don't know you know what i mean again i would say that he has the right to his opinion though you know what i mean with what limited information he has because again he doesn't really know pop yeah he never admitted to spending a lot of time right so he's just going on yeah what he had well mob james has been a regular guest on my show and one thing that he said that caused a lot of uh debate was his stories about tupac spitting on people [Music] and i've said tupac spitting on people several times multiple times uh not just no one incident and then reggie even clarified saying when they was at the mall and then the cats was throwing [ __ ] on them and he spit on the dude so i don't i don't what happened they was in the mall somewhere and uh some cats was talking [ __ ] and throwing throwing something at him and tupac spit on the cat started spitting at the dudes um they had multiple incidents like that they um las vegas when we was in vegas gambling that at the at the mgm somewhat was talking some tupac spit on maybe that was just reaction of getting at people like that okay but did you actually see that part or no i was i was there but we were gambling oh okay so when he had the situation there uh i don't want to say their name rage and all of them was there everybody was there at the same table gambling he walked over here whatever happened over there everybody had to go there because he spit on the [ __ ] and they was mad now you said you've never experienced that outside of that one video where he's spitting on reporters never a fan nah or just someone he's starts to argue with or whatever else because he he starts describing like uh i think he in our interviews talking about a situation like in a casino where uh nah you've never seen that just no not at all you know what i mean a fan or not even somebody like okay let's just go with pock's history you know what i mean everybody know pock was a scrapper he wasn't a spitter you know i mean he'd rather chuck them up with you than spit on you you know what i'm saying in females he wouldn't handle that way at all either even the overzealous ones you know what i'm saying and sometimes when you're on that level when you you are quote-unquote sex symbol women are flagrant and i never seen him handle anybody that you know some people might have you know i mean he was he was always even even times when he was aggravated he would try to be as patient as possible you know what i mean because that's the kind of dude he was and he didn't want no more in lawsuits spitting on somebody somebody gonna sue you that's tupac spit on me right suing i'm about to get a bag because he was dealing with a bunch of lawsuits a bunch of them hughes brothers yeah so at that time you know what i mean like as impulsive as a guy as he was he did have self-control too and i've never seen pox spit on anybody like i said he was a scrapper well i had john b on my show and john b was telling me how him and poc were working on are you still down two weeks before park passed were you with him during that time yeah you were in the studio with him that day they did that record okay and he was kind of describing the situation where poc i guess took his shirt off and he had the bullet holes and i guess he was talking or maybe he was talking to john about it you know and it was like the the wounds were relatively you know they weren't completely healed yet and so forth he just remembers the imagery of that type of thing what was that studio session like from your point of view um you know i i know uh pop was excited to work with john b to be able to show another side of him himself as an artist you know what i mean because he was into all kind of music you know what i mean and if him i believe if he had the opportunity he would have wrote all kind of music like he was already playing with you know what we know as drake now different styles singing and rapping at the same time he was already starting to play with those styles already you know i mean different melodies why you're rapping what's popular right now so you know what i mean this was this was an opportunity for him to work with an established artist and be able to show that you know i'm not just going to get on here and rap i'ma actually create a whole song with this guy it's a love song point blank period that that is a love song uh and has pock ever worked with a white artist other than john b that's a great question i just like i just remember the camera you might be you might be right that is the only white artist yeah he has ever ever collaborated with right in his entire life and one of his only r b features yeah that he ever got a chance to do right although you know aaron hall well he had a lot of those were his records yeah yeah those were his records how do you want it on him yeah he's always happy like feed you yeah he's always had r b guys on his little girls on his hooks i always thought it was dope that john b reached out you know what i mean and wanted to do a record with pot you know i mean i took a lot of balls at that time right yeah the only white person ever yeah and they actually sat down and did that record together wrote it everything you know i mean we got to see how talented john b actually was you know i mean we wasn't in the studio sitting there the whole time we would be in and out but you know i know by the end of that song um i remember hearing it like yo this is out of here this is this is crazy wait till they do the video whoever this dude i didn't know who john b was at the time i'm like whoever he is to be out here right he had already had a platinum album or a multiple shot i got hip to him later yeah he was baby faces yeah protege yeah they had that one record where he's hard to tell whose baby face yeah so similar yeah yeah exactly uh now one point left eye came over to death row do you remember that whole era i do but we were gone by then we were kind of like on our own by then we had already severed our ties with death row and whatever connection we had was just paperwork but left i was around when poc was around no they they saw each other i believe there was a little bit of overlap over that near that time yeah i interviewed dallas austin and this is what he said because he has a close connection to tlc he he produced all their other stuff right so a lot of people have a baby with chili right so when he talks it's legit he says something interesting he said that when left eye was a death row pock told her that bad publicity is good so you should act out to get as much publicity as possible and she took that to heart and started to burn down houses and cancel shows and just basically go crazy near the end until she ultimately you know passed uh unfortunately but he he said that according to her and their conversations tupac put the battery in her back for that type of thing tupac told her a long time ago they're not talking bad about you they're not saying nothing about you and so she would just kind of act out even more based off of that and even though i didn't think that she meant to burn the house down she just she had this streak in her at that time and it ended up being you know where they lost endorsements like tlc has never really had anything the things they should have done as a big group they never did because of stuff like that you know no no covergirl endorsements no pepsi's you never seen them on makeup you've never seen them and they didn't even do a world tour until now they're touring because it was just very difficult the group ended up being way bigger the records and the image of the group end up kind of being way bigger because of all that does that make sense when you hear it i don't you know i don't i know pock and left eye had a special friendship they did you know and but i'm not i wasn't privy to their private conversations you know i i've always heard that left eye was a firecracker herself another gemini so from what i've heard i don't think she needed a lot of she didn't need a lot of battery putting in her back at all because everybody that i've known that known her personally said they could see why they were attracted to each other because they were kind of like two peas in a pie you know what i mean almost and you know laughter had spoke about poc publicly and said that you know she felt like he was her soul mate you know that's how close you know what i mean that they work throughout both of their careers and you know she actually did a did a painting you know what i mean a pot and oh and um you know wrote a special note to him on the back you know what i mean and you know your fans and watchers can go do the research and see what it's saying because it's out there but they had a special friendship so who knows who knows what them what them two talked about at one time but i would also say when left eye was officially at death row pock was already dead so it couldn't have been at that time you know what i mean because you know she was still with the face when he was alive yep what was the vibe at death row during like the final few weeks leading up to pox passing because there was a lot of transition that was happening dre had already left right everyone else was more or less around snoop was still around and so forth he would he would leave next but there was people coming in um you know left eye was one of them m.c hammer not at that time no i wasn't coming in at that time okay hammer thought came in later empty hammer let me see hammer was there yeah he had already been there so you had m c hammer coming around uh was mary j blige kind of floating around at that point joe i mean jodeci was definitely around so it was like people who were associated with puffy were now becoming managed by shug and that type of thing yeah so what was that vibe like at the end towards the end it was uh it was really a lot of a lot of us you know um johnny j at that time had had also decided to part ways over some business disagreements johnny j he wasn't getting paid for his songs so that's why you don't hear any johnny j on machiavelli there's no johnny j production on machiavelli after him and park you know was on a run back to back huh back-to-back hits but so some what had happened he wasn't getting paid i don't know it was it was it was business-wise and usually when it kind of business is probably money you know what i'm saying he probably was expecting some money from all eyes on me like rex was doing a lot of numbers i don't know if he was getting it or not yeah but i know you know we wasn't johnny j wasn't in the studio no more one day he was he just stopped coming you know what i mean and we had to start you know work from scratch you know i mean that's when i started to get into production pox started to get into production we started working with some other producers around that was around at that time like lt hutton you know um for production and you know um a lot of times when we went to the studio it would really just be us you know i mean just us up in there you know pop was doing a lot of a lot of movie work at the time so he would be studio to the set studio to the set that was pretty much the routine right because i'm looking at the at the production on machiavelli um i mean qd3 did a song he did to live with die in l.a i do about that trudy three was probably the only producer if i'm correct that worked both on all eyes on me and machiavelli what did he do on all eyes on me he did uh heaven ain't hard to find okay right i remember he was telling me a story that as they were working on machiavelli tupac called him up one day and said i'm going to put this out as a free mixtape i'm going to throw this out he said he started crying he was like yo no what are you talking don't do that like yeah and that was the actual idea and i think sugar did the same thing like oh hell no we ain't giving this out for freak no sir and he was serious about that you know what i mean because you know that was the east coast center mixtapes was always popular and he knew you know he was kind of ahead of the curve again like the precursor to 50. he wanted to just start dropping music on mixtapes you know what i mean and and get them to the streets directly to the streets without any filter this is just going to be a sidebar this can't be right when i look at the producers of toss it up it's reggie moore and demetrius ship demetrius [ __ ] because demetrius ship jr pops co-produced that song big meech okay so this is actually true yeah but a lot of people know about this i don't know i don't know about this you need to tell me that the guy who played tupac his father produced on tupac's last album yeah toss it up co-produced it absolutely just dimitri ship i didn't senior started working on them until we started working on the movie myself does this senior look like tupac not really not really i can't find a picture of him and his son just he worked with tupac and his son just happened to look like tupac it's crazy who's the mother i don't i don't i don't believe i met her crazy right that is so crazy i mean i listen in your world of course everyone knows about it right yeah in my world which is outside i know i know you're tripping right now i am tripp because i'm like look at that going like okay someone's being funny on on right now wikipedia okay ha did you totally found that out organically it wasn't like that that really just happened yeah yeah he definitely uh tossed it up wow what one of pock's biggest songs at that wow okay then there is a very ironic very bear it's beyond ironic yeah there was a hurt and bad did a few songs did hit him up i mean not hit him up hey i'm married hail mary yeah uh i guess tupac co-produced bomb first and daryl big d harper definitely who's all over it i don't know these producers right i'll be honest right he went and got i just assumed that these were some bigger name producers and i just never looked at the track listing but as i'm going through it that whole album had a bunch of producers who weren't famous it seems like before or after it's not like they went on to have like a bunch of platinum singles and stuff like that some of them don't even have wikipedia pages because this whole attitude was what i do i can make it happen with just about anybody so long as you know how to work the machines you know we we had a guitar player by the name of ricky rouse that played bass and guitar poc liked to work with him and he was like look so long as you know how to cut that machine on and i got ricky rouse we're gonna make some [ __ ] music i don't care who in the studio you know what i mean it was he was not about going to the studio and saying damn dads ain't here you know johnny j hit drain here what am i going to do oh some is it in that room over there yo go get them over there straight like that like that go get the go get this in the in the they used to call it the whack room you know i mean honestly i'm gonna keep it a buck you know what i mean but these were all talented musicians you know what i mean daryl daryl harper you play the piano like no accurate they used to call it the wack room and that's [ __ ] up because what we brought up out of there one wack you know what i'm saying what what what pop brought about it is five times platinum right hail mary one of the greatest rap songs of all time came out of the quote-unquote wack room yeah but i heard him bad exactly and when i looked up his page the only other rapper that he's associated with is willie d he's from chicago so he's worked with a lot of artists in chicago you know i mean obviously his records having recent success at hail mary you know that's a hard that's a hard bar to reach right there that like pock took one of your beats and did hell married to yeah but it's you could really say that if you take out pox lyrics and play hail mary the beat by itself it is not an obvious hit by any stretch of the imagination okay so that goes back to that songwriting point that we were talking about pock wrote the hell out of that song exactly and this is something similar to what i said about drake and people are going to run with it the way they usually run with my opinions about music but what i said was drake picks relatively average sounding beats very sparse they don't really overpower the vocals you know very few of the beats are like oh that's an oh yo that beat is crazy before you even hear the lyrics like you look at like two c slide and it's like okay it's cool but what drake does with it is phenomenal and he makes hits out of it i get it but the beats themselves are usually non-exceptional right you could i mean outside of uh i mean all eyes on me i think had exceptional beats yep some great production great production great i mean the first time i heard uh uh i won't deny it uh i'm straight right phenomenal as soon as you heard that beat come in you're like oh okay this is how i'm about to be serious and i'm a hip-hop head so i'm like yo this [ __ ] dad sample pee wee herman i knew where them drums came from as soon as i heard the beat you know what i mean because i remember pee herman how big of a record that was in the in the early 80s and the dope [ __ ] about pee wee herman the song it was a goofy song but the drums was was crazy you know what i mean and it would take another hip-hop head to i don't even know pock knew that right off the bat but but i did and i knew dads knew that cause i'm like for example pb herman to make one of the hardest rap records yeah of all time yeah yeah but no he he wrote the hell out of those beats yeah and created a classic arguably you know some people are going to like allies on me some people don't like machiavelli but i think those are the two that people i actually like the production on me against the world that's that's my favorite park app okay it's me against the world do you have a favorite pop song um it i do it's it's a uh but the version i like is unreleased it's the unreleased version of hard on it is it floating around the internet yeah you can find that on it okay yeah him and stretch stretch sample i think he's sampled metallica he's crazy he's pock at his darkest it's at his tempo you know i mean he riding it dealing with whatever he was dealing with at the time depression anger you know what i mean optimism all in one record to me it's the best of him in stretch i'm gonna check it out yeah well speaking of stretch since our last interview uh this guy named dexter isaac who's locked up claims that uh stretch was the one that set up poc the quad studio shooting wow i didn't need it yeah wow dexter i believe is doing like life in prison or 40 years or something you know so you kind of have to take it with a grain of salt when you hear something like that for sure uh do you believe that um being that this is the first time i heard about it i would have to give that some thought to see what would be stretch's motive what did he stand to lose from that what did he stand to gain from that it's almost kind of like the suge had parked set up is dead that day so he's got to be able to hope that you know these guys don't bust him shoot him by accident you know it's a lot of things that got to go right for that conspiracy theory to to be valid you know what i mean yeah and i don't you know i'm if if if this don't make sense to me like almost immediately i start to question it yeah yeah and we've debunked the sugar theory i feel like right we've we've nailed it into the ground right if anyone still believes that suge had anything to do with tupac's uh murder spend an afternoon watching vlad tv videos with people that were there on both sides nobody nobody know get therapy you know i mean go seek some some help for your issues man well since last time i actually did an interview with jimmy henchman from prison and this was actually reported early this month which i didn't realize but he jimmy ultimately lost his appeal uh for the murder for hire conviction that he had he's already serving two life sentences and i guess at this point when this appeal has has not gone through jimmy is going to spend the rest of his life in prison as someone at the time that was essentially at war with jimmy henchman you know during the whole quad shooting era when you hear that jimmy's never gonna see daylight ever again how does that make you feel it's unfortunate you know it's unfortunate and uh it just it's a cycle of of death and incarceration and you know kings having whole empires and and losing them and you know it's a redundant story that i personally get tired of hearing you know um so that's that's really all i can feel when i hear that it's unfortunate yeah i mean i've always had a decent relationship with jimmy even you know before before he got locked up um i'd been around him when he was managing game and so forth we always were very cordial right you know our interview was very it was very professional a lot of people say i'd always jail on my worst enemy i've never quite understood that because if i had a worse enemy i wouldn't mind seeing them in jail about them right yeah right you know they doing bad yeah i'm not losing any sleep over this well oh well that's how i feel uh but people have their own their own thing some people say that because they they want them out so they could kill them so yeah i don't know but i never had these kind of emotions towards um jimmy henchmen and a lot of times you know a lot of time passed by and a lot of growth and you know seeing life for what it is and understanding how life works man you know um you know we all got we all got to answer to somebody sooner or later no matter what we're doing out here you know what i mean yeah you know when you when you're in the street life or whatever you doing you know there's repercussions and consequences so you know what i mean um i know there's repercussions and consequences for whatever i do you know what i mean and so it's hard to feel you know anything when it goes because you know the rules of the game and how to go well conspiracy theories in tupac are never going to go away and most recently mike tyson said that uh that his vegas fight was the perfect opportunity for the tupac shooting alluding to you know it was more than what it was which was the orlando anderson situation uh what was you guys's relationship with mike tyson i mean me personally i didn't have a personal relationship with mike tyson i had you know i would meet him i would i got to know mike moore post pox death through us running into each other like when we had uh when we were about to sign the cash money we were talking about doing something with cash money and mike was down there don't ask me why but mike tyson was with cash money he was just in new orleans at the time okay cash money was you know i guess holding it down i don't know what i don't know how it happened but we ended up true story we just you know we was down there to discuss doing a possible deal with cash money um they were shooting a video one of their videos um and mike tyson was there when we got to the video shoot and mike tyson is you know bugging a [ __ ] i want to see us like yo i [ __ ] love the outlaws my favorite song is hit him up and one more whooping you know i mean mike got his shirt off and he's just chilling like you know regular dude true story well mike and tupac were pretty close though in fact wasn't it mike tyson that told tupac not to hang around with uh haitian jacking them i've heard that before i wasn't there when they had that conversation but yeah i've heard you know a couple of people who had tried to tell pog about that yeah and tyson's about to get back in the ring with holyfield man he looked good he does look good for 50 something i want to be in that type of shape at his age absolutely 53 yeah oh yeah that's fire that's body goals right there absolutely man mike look good yeah yeah um there was a the story by snoop where he said that when tupac in front of nas in new york now has had dudes with 100 guns you know 100 there's a hundred guns you know in the vicinity and so forth were you there during that night i didn't make that trip i didn't make that trip but i i definitely heard something different you know aside from that you know i mean just to be honest with you yeah i mean tupac and nas i mean tupac dis nas a couple times right i don't i don't want to say it's a couple times i know at least a bar two form on machiavelli yeah yeah but he like knots was a nice fan yeah yeah and i guess the two of them talked right before he passed definitely what was the the beef over even like what are the why dis nas on your last album um you know we we with poc at that time man anybody can get it it wasn't really it wasn't really as personal as some people may want it to be you know what i mean he just you know was on some art of wars and and coming out of jail and and you know restaking his claim and hip-hop so to speak and you know it's like uh you know remind me of the jordan series when jordan would say he would create these scenarios with these other players even if it wasn't real just to give him an age i think poc had that side to him too because he was highly competitive and he just needed you know just a little just a little something to you know i mean spark that fire and give him that edge and hip hop and his nature is a com competitive sport anyway you know what i mean and so a lot of that's why basketball plays and and rappers go hand-in-hand because it's very competitive it's very high testosterone who's the alpha male in the room so on and so on and so forth and so you know like i said it wasn't that personal when it came to that guy that guy didn't really need a reason but he did like to have an edge you know what i mean and say okay you know what i mean that's that's that's who y'all love let me show y'all why i'm the greatest you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah well since our last interview suge took a 28-year plea deal and you guys have a long relationship with suge uh at one point the outlaws were signed to death row yep and then you guys left death row and you guys would run into suge over the years yeah when you heard about the 28 years what'd you think again unfortunately very unfortunate you know what i mean like no winners in that situation you know somebody lost their life yeah you know um yeah terry carter i know i know people that love sugar very deadly you know what i mean and that ain't that ain't nothing i don't want anybody to you know to to go through on both sides of the spectrum yeah i mean you interviewed a son absolutely i interviewed his son you know what i mean i know i know his mother as well and so i turned that interview down by the way just because the tupac is still alive conspiracy theory i just i don't want to hear that i could i get yeah i'm good if if you're going to come on my show you know i'm going to only do it if i think you're telling the truth right you're not going and we had a discussion about that when i interviewed them yeah i said i said i'm not gonna go on and just talk crazy on my platform and yeah i'm not here just for the views i'm here to document reality and the truth so um yeah 28 years it's a hell of a long time for a man that age it is man it is and it's unfortunate again man it's a that's a you know another another king who had an empire you know what i mean and and you know i uh that's the that's the part of history that you hate but at the same time for the people coming up behind need these kind of stories for people to learn from yeah because in fact this is very ironic that before everyone got picked up by the feds shoddy who was takashi six nines quote unquote manager would repeatedly go on social media and say treyway the new death row he would say it all the time and him and all his friends all ended up like the old death row doing football numbers in prison yeah you could speak things in to existence man and yeah you know that's why you can't be trying to you know um you know you know we re rehash somebody else wave right that that already came and crashed and burned and like why would you want to do that like trade way to new way how about that you know what i mean try the new the new tde yeah you know the new motown like like there's a lot just like the new you you know what i mean because these other people did it they way and they had this success and you're not going no matter how much you want to no matter how hard you try you're not going to do it the way barry gordy did it with mo right but motown is motown because nobody did it like that before or since right but you could pick any large you know establishment i know you know where i'm going with this pick any label that you have heard of to say just pick any other any of them from any genre right right and show me a label that had as much death and prison time as death row but i think you know i'm assuming i don't know the guy but i'm assuming what the ending the energy he wants to capture is death rose heyday when death row was arguably one of the greatest assimilation of talent yes for any label right everyone never yeah everyone knows what i'm trying to say praying money everyone platinum records and i think that's kind of i i hope that's that's what it is no i remember death road dropped the murder was the case soundtrack with zero promotion and it went like platinum or multi-platinum stupid just because everyone was wanted to hear those artists wanting to hear snoop and the dog pound and rage and corrupts and you know and like like the the dr dre production and the the nate that's the talent that everybody got a chance to hear was so much talent that nobody got a chance to hear because of the way it ended up that that was there yeah rage's album never really came out i mean it did but not really not the way nate dawg you know what i mean yeah nate dog dropped a double album way later past the heyday which i liked it but it was not a big album imagine nate dog dropping while everyone was still there come on now like seriously with dr dre's hands in it and stuff like that come on planning come on even rage i mean rage started awesome rage started off snoop's album think about that before snoop got a chance to wrap up his own album you heard rage first and he'll be a female and killed it killed it that's one of the coldest intros to our album ever oh yeah ever and it was yeah but like you said by rage a female who you know another artist incredibly talented that should have had a chance to drop when the wave was super wavy you know what i mean it's unfortunate it didn't happen like that because you know rage was arguably one of the greatest female rappers ever one of the greatest rappers period i don't even want to put a female on it because she would body a lot of [ __ ] embarrass [ __ ] oh yeah she was amazing yeah but suge is doing 28 years have you talked to him while he was in prison you spoke a couple times really yeah what was that conversation like i you know some of that stuff is private i don't want to put it i don't want to put a business out there but we have we have spoken a couple times how's the spirits you know um he's doing time so we got to keep his spirits up you know i mean obviously we don't get we we don't know about those private moments when he's just him by herself you know i mean but um it's tough man you know what i'm saying i'm i'm i know should would rather be out running his business raising his children and yeah you know what i mean living his life but you know we all got decisions that we make out here man and it's repercussions and consequences for those decisions for all of us yeah i mean not too many people get to touch hundreds of millions of dollars i've i've never done it i mean like i i'm nowhere near i haven't yet yeah i'm not i haven't touched anywhere near that amount of money you know as successful as i think i am i'm nowhere near the hundreds of millions that that shook was touching and was in in charge of uh to go from that to spending potentially the rest of your life in prison potentially you know who knows maybe sugar lived to 100 and the whole prison thing was 20 years behind him who knows but to go in as a man in late middle age no one wants that no one aspires to it nah i'm sure you know even that day when he woke up and got out to bed that's not what he was you know expecting to happen but he did get out of bed and said i'm going to be shook today i'm going to go show up somewhere where i'm not welcome i'm going to push some lines i'm going to go act tough around other tough guys like like bone yeah another guy you know i mean who we know who we know and knew and got familiar with and you know was always um a supporter and you know always giving us some good game and good information we actually got introduced to him through um geronimo jijaga pratt who you know knew new bone and um help on when they were both incarcerated and so um like i said you know when you know people on both sides of the fence it's hard for you to fail anything but damn it's a [ __ ] up situation yeah yeah and you know me and willie d talk about this a lot where some people like to feel well when it's your day it's your day you have no say in it but there are lots of things you could do to push that day forward speed things along absolutely you know yeah your day is your day but joining a gang will speed that day up yeah your day is your day smoking crack so everybody moves you [ __ ] forward yeah closer to the finish line yeah driving around without a seat belt like you know yeah it takes a certain level of intelligence to get to an old age facts and me at 46 you know with my 47th birthday around the corner i feel lucky yes my body ain't what it was 20 years ago and i got to do a few more things but i feel lucky it's a blessing and a gift absolutely because life is beautiful man life is great living has been great man you know yeah in spite of it all cause this you know you could point to a plethora of reasons why you know life is [ __ ] up and it's you know what i mean and it's super for some people you know what i mean that you even you in whatever position you think you win it's what could get way worse like life gets super sh yeah it's beautiful man you know you try to you try to live your life especially when you've seen a lot of death like i have you know what i mean in long long term sentences you know i mean cats going away forever you learn to appreciate each and every second yeah because how many of the outlaws have died now three three out of a group of five six seven you know if you if you want to include tupac seven seven tupac gaddafi gaddafi we also lost big psych who's a part of thug life yeah i actually did his last interview wow yeah yeah he was he he was a firecracker he was he was not one to hold his tongue no no yeah we lightweight argued in the interview oh yeah a little bit yeah yeah i mean no it's not not aggressive i had heated discussions before too so i know yeah yeah we had heated discussions which i i kept in the footage yeah uh yes all you know all people who [Music] should have been alive today based on their age yeah none of them died of old age not at all not a one uh i think i think psych may have had medical issues but the other three uh died violently well yeah fatal died in a violent car crash that's what i'm saying yeah he was in doubt yeah he was in the best shape of his life uh you know park obviously got killed and gaddafi got killed as well by by gunfire uh yeah so the fact that you're still alive and noble is still alive we don't take it for granted man yeah we don't take it for granted we don't take the fact that we still travel and and people want to see us perform we don't take that for granted you know what i mean whatever music that we put out streams and people you know with the music we appreciate it all yeah yeah well since our last interview i did the kvd interview and the outlaws have stayed relatively quiet about that interview but i actually i remember you and i met up and i showed you the interview before it actually went live just so you can kind of prepare yourself for the the social media onslaught that was about to happen from your point of view you know it was a long interview but we i did focus very much on the night in las vegas the tupac got killed you and i have had an interview more than one interview about what you experienced that night because you were in the car directly behind tupac d was in the cadillac along with orlando anderson who actually did the shooting which he he didn't deny throughout the interview and he also laid out the the set of events before during and after from your point of view what do you think about that interview and how accurate is it well i can only i can only take him you know for what he said you know i'm not here to you know dispute what kefi d said about how it happened what happened if he said that's how it happened then you know you and i just as well as anybody else got to take him for what he said right you know what i mean so as far as that that's how i feel about that but again it's you know unfortunate sad situation of you know black men killing each other you know um he's obviously seen better days you know um orlando ain't coming back pocket ain't coming back you know on both sides of the fence i have lost multiple people you know it was just unfortunate and and and sad and a tragic attracted tale all around the board you know if you take him for what he for what he was saying like they had their thing rolling you know i mean popping you know death row was obviously very successful park number one rap in the world everybody was feeding families and you know taking care of yourself and you know out of prison and living life even though you know some of this that might have been going on might have not been legal or illegal whatever the case may be still all that came to a screeching halt you know what i mean he said his thing was never really the same well right no he said that his drug connect met up with him right after he said y'all are tripping right i'm out of here right this is just going on well went back to columbia and that was the end of his drug business so just going on what he said like he quoted his thing was never really the same death row never was able to make it back you know we got shook 28 years you know what i mean uh uh a mega talent like tupac's a core is going at 25 how much more did he have to get you know i mean how much more did he music or movies or even politics that poc had to give and it's all it's a rap it's history you know what i mean it's just something that you know old like us talk about you know i mean and you know and and i have children and i have young people in my family and after a certain point they they really don't care no more it's like it's like oh it's trained war stories they they not it they're not even impressed with this [ __ ] no more you know what i mean it's like and and and and this generation is a little bit different it's not as you know toxic masculinity over running hip hip-hop so it's kind of foreign to them the whole like why is everybody so angry and everybody was so tough and you know what i mean it's different for them and so that's that's that's the most i can feel for this for this subject you know what i mean at this point well there's been the theory that keefy d was the shooter rather than orlando i've even heard stories i'm not gonna say from who that the arm that got pointed out the window was not a skinny arm it was a big beefy arm so there's that how do you feel about that is what it is it is what it is i mean what the man said he said he said uh he told everybody who who who did it so because we don't have an alternate version that's that's what we got to go with right and but of course he said it about someone who's already dead right right as opposed you know as opposed to anyone who's living with himself and another guy that was in the car being the two living members when he actually uh you know uh confessed yeah to greg kating do you look at kefir d as an enemy no you don't no you don't look at kfd as an enemy nah nah and if i did i definitely wouldn't say it on on camera well my last question before i let you go uh and by the time this part comes out there's going to be a lot of developments but at this particular time george floyd was murdered recently by a cop the whole city really stood up in protest to the point of actually burning the police station along with a bunch of other businesses and so forth very very similar to the was it the 92 riots right the l.a riots yeah park was out during the riots were you out with them no i was actually there's a bit of irony for you i was actually living in minnesota and watched the l.a riots on tv yeah not knowing that decades later the same thing is going to be happening right there no yeah who would have guessed it not having a clue because minnesota was always like a like a racial haven you know it's it leads the country in interracial couples and always had i went to school with so many biracial kids and had biracial friends and have friends who had white mothers and black fathers or you know black mothers and white fathers all over minnesota you know what i mean but on the undercurrent to that is a a resentment towards that because there's some people that are not with racist mixing you know what i mean so you do have especially in northern minnesota and in the outskirts you know white people that are not with that at all you know what i'm saying and and really resent that type of [ __ ] so it's not surprising to me that you know minneapolis-st paul you know not only had racist cops that you know would kill an unarmed black man but that people respond would respond to it the way they responded to it because minnesota got hoods and ghettos and gang banging and dope dealing and dope selling prostitution it has everything that any other inner city has it's really uh geographically close to chicago and detroit you know what i mean so you get a lot of you know people moving in and out of town doing their thing you know what i mean so well yeah you take that and you compound it with a large portion of that community is out of work right now because of the quarantine they've also been in the house for weeks and weeks and weeks and getting aggravated as we all are but you know listen i i live in a big house in a gated community i can't understand what someone that is living in a two-bedroom apartment with four other people is going through over the past couple of weeks yeah you know waiting waiting for that 1200 check which i'm not getting because of my income and you may not get even if you yeah and it may not be because those aren't guaranteed yeah and half the people in that house lost their job because restaurants or whatever business businesses have closed and you take that anger and aggravation and that frustration of not being able to pay your rent and then you throw that you throw the imagery of someone that looks like them getting murdered by a white cop i i would actually take it a step further because we had another case that was still fresh in the media amar darbury ahmad alberry yeah was people are highly upset it took how long for somebody to get arrested in that case and so when that type of thing happens people feel like you spitting in their face you know what i'm saying you feel like you're slapping me in the face right now with an open hand you know what i mean and you don't have no respect for for me my people for human life even when it's on tape clearly this man was attacked even if you arrest somebody and you do an innova you know investigation you do it you know the fbi comes in the doj whoever they investigate you got to at least show common respect and decency to human life but nah weeks go by somebody's not even arrested you know what i mean and so i feel like in minneapolis saint paul they were gonna i heard today that they arrested one one they arrested the cop who actually killed him right right but people were going to riot until somebody got arrested yeah i think yeah in my opinion and i think the writing is premature you know what i mean because i feel like there's there's history with this kind of situation that if you go back case by case there's a certain way law enforcement is going to handle this in conjunction with the prosecution you know i mean you're going to get an arrest you know what i mean and so that's going to lead to hopefully a grand jury saying we want to take this we want to charge him with murder hopefully his first degree murder because it looks well he's being charged right now with third degree murder and manslaughter so he's not getting first degree so that's first degree is premeditated right you'll have a hard time trying to prove that right because you have to say that he rolled up there that day to kill there is also a story coming out the two of them actually work together i heard that as bouncers in a club so there might have been some sort of history oh like oh this that [ __ ] that the girl who i liked yeah you know i'm watching them dateline to see that type of [ __ ] really be happening yeah by the middle of the episode you find out that homie was a homie yeah it might have been personal into a crime of passion it looked personal it looked personal because like oh yeah what i looked at when i when i watch that video and i try not to watch it anymore because it's horrific to watch somebody last minutes on you know last few breaths they've taken but when you look at the cops face i don't remember his name right now but he looks like he's enjoying it you know what i mean like i actually see some pleasure yeah uh derek chavin is the name yeah when you see derek shavin with his knee in the back of floyd's back and neck he looks like he's enjoying it yeah that's that picture that's always shown he doesn't then when you watch the video in this entirety you know five minutes is a long time man just try to sit still and silent for five minutes and and grasp how long that is to be putting your full body weight in the back of somebody's neck yeah he's saying i can't breathe they're trying to kill me everyone around you know all the the people that are watching and filming and so forth begging them like yo like like they're begging you're killing them you know the girl that actually filmed that video she's 17. like you know if this happens to me don't feel me help me and it's like 17 year old girl who's scared for her own life who's scared that she might have a knee in her neck if she tries to know people love to talk about what they would do in a scenario that they have never been in 17 year old girl whoever thinks that she has any level of blame shut the [ __ ] up like she was supposed to shoot the cop shut up shut up 17 year old girl she's a minor right and she's a girl like you know what four four cops right with guns right stop it right because she'll be commended for being brave enough and not you know walking away you know cause many of us are unaffected you know what i'm saying many of us see some film of four minutes going about our day you know what i mean uh yeah and think about it you take that video away the body cam footage might have been telling a very different story we've already seen what they do what i'm saying they can manipulate they could redact it absolutely they could manipulate it oh it just so happened that everyone's body cam footage wasn't functioning that way forgot to cut it on oh well you know something we we transferred the footage and it just disappeared we don't know what are you going to do it's the police it's the policing the police i've always said the ammar arbury case had that one guy not filmed it it would have ended up like a trayvon martin situation this this gangster black guy attacked us and we barely fought him off all right let's you know punch me in the face a bunch of times scrape my head against the asphalt to make it look like he was attacking me first like make it look real bad so it looked like self-defense three white witnesses this guy attacked us first we were minding our own business no video no case if it ever gets it if it ever gets a trial not guilty not guilty like uh like uh george zimmerman right it could have very very very easily come on take the trayvon martin case and throw a camera into there a surveillance cam or someone back then people didn't really have you know iphones like that you know what i'm saying people had them but not but now yeah in the trayvon situation it was it was at night you know i mean it had just rained it wasn't a lot of people out you know what i'm saying to be with their phones had that happen in the middle of the day you never know who would have got footage of that you could never know you know you actually had which would still you know haunted me at the time or haunts me to to this day you can hear trayvon screaming in the background when people are calling 9-1-1 you hear him screaming you know what i'm saying so you do have audio of trayvon martin that was not enough in that situation and you know george zimmerman's father well-connected down there in florida you know who knows i heard some stories i don't know how true it is but the alleged killers in in the situation with aubry they they uh they they're connected with law enforcement you know what i mean and then in minnesota you have an actual comment so these things will go to trial sometimes they push this trial back to late 2021 or even 22. people forget about it people are not as upset as they you they were you know the trial doesn't get covered that much by media not guilty that's why i said you riding too soon you know what i mean if y'all want to ride hold that [ __ ] off because it ain't really nothing to write about yet you know what i mean they had to make an arrest third degree murder in minnesota means causing the death of another through a dangerous act without regard for human life but without intent to cause death that doesn't make any sense to me saying that he had no regard for this guy's life but he didn't necessarily try to kill him what kind of time does that hold yeah i don't know probation yeah i know right i know um but the guy is saying i can't breathe they're trying they're trying to kill me so because in my opinion at some point during those five minutes while your knee is in the back of his neck you had opportunity to get up and say we got him some dude yeah he's in handcuffs let's go ahead and take him you know to the precinct do i paperwork you know i mean whatever it's routine there was too much multiple there's too much opportunity for him to get up off of that man's back right and the one thing there was a this one uh black cop did a selfie video talking about this and he said that as a police officer your actual job is that of a first responder until the ambulance arrives to to take over that job you actually part of your job description is to be a first responder so if somebody is dying you are required by your job to save that person from dying so those other three cops who are standing around as this guy is saying i'm they're trying to kill me i can't breathe it should have been their job to prevent that from happening well you know what vlad i don't know if people realize this or i know it's a lot of people that do but i'ma just put that out put this out there for you your viewers police and law enforcement changed over the years from the 90s to right now and it kind of started before the 90s police departments and police force are essentially the military now have everything besides you know f1 bombers and you know um tanks some departments even lapd has tanks in fact in fact i remember seeing an interview on 60 minutes with the chief of police of nypd and they said they got something that'll shoot a plane out the sky okay so let's just let's just so you prove them my point right there after 9 11 he said that police department is essentially military yeah when a military army force goes in to a situation are they going in to arrest people 10 times out of 10. is the military going to arrest people and lock people up there to kill yeah and so that's essentially what we have people may not realize it because it's not as overt and it's not that in your face but law enforcement and police departments are designed to go military at any given moment waiting for the national guard yeah we got everything the national guard and then some you know what i mean they don't when the national guard got more of a boogeyman label to it than they really because you don't need the national guard anymore the police department is the national guard they are a military force they have everything you know that that you need to be a military force yeah and that's why you know you have cops that are inclined to just kill first they have the law on they side you know what i mean their success rate and beating these charges is phenomenal phenomenal yeah phenomenal yeah well let me tell you if a cop gets the death penalty if this cop gets the death penalty although you start throwing around words like third degree murder and it doesn't sound like that's gonna happen but let's just say they setting it they setting the bar so low part low right manslaughter you don't get the death that that's not a manslaughter let's just say that the third degree doesn't hold you're left with a manslaughter conviction five years maybe you know in a you know i remember tradee talked about this cops don't get put in general population not at all they get put in special copy units with other dirty cops absolutely and snitches and you know so child molesters and whatever else where no one really causes a lot of trouble in there uh so which makes sense like they're not going to put a dirty cop in population like yeah that's yeah they're based on a shelf life of 20 minutes yeah right uh yeah so uh and the beat goes on and the beat goes on until a cop gets the death penalty for murder which i personally think this cop should get that's going to send a message out to everybody that's going to make people double double think about and triple think and quadruple think about pulling that gun out or doing that choke hold or you know going through excessive violence because it's like okay i might die in the process of doing that legally or some other cops you know what i mean uh decide to uh not just stand by and be a witness you know what i'm saying to murder because in most of the situation there's always another cop there's other cops around and they work in cahoots in these type of situations man and somebody like that cop who did the selfie you know what i mean somebody's got to be brave enough to say yo i'm not gonna i'm not gonna stand there and watch that yeah whether it's white black it doesn't matter what the blue the blue shield of silence the blue shell of silence somebody gotta break that so it can make the next dirty cop be a little bit more apprehensive when he doing some [ __ ] like oh [ __ ] i don't know about joe blow over there yeah you know what i mean he may not be with this [ __ ] because we're starting to see more and more cops saying i'm not going to just abide by the blue shield anymore yeah we can all wish right yeah more cops saying what's right is right yeah i'm going to go guess this because it's right because you know because look there's dirty i didn't sign up for this there's dirty cops and there's cops that came in to say i really want to help for sure i really want to help battered women and and victims of violence i want to help clean up this this community legally not by beating people up or whatever i i want to get drugs out of this system out of this area uh i want to get rid of the child molesters and the uh you know people that are that are messing this this place up and make it better a lot of cops are like that yeah because like life goes on in the community and there's a rapport between long off law officers and in in the community and it can be very cordial and they can both work together you know what i'm saying because people want to live a happy life they don't want their stolen they don't want to be murdered so obviously there is a need for law enforcement we can't live out here in complete anarchy and most of the time that situation can work out amicably everybody can live harmoniously the police do their job the communities have their communities but it's the the quote unquote bad apples in a bunch that want to take their badge too serious you know want to take their job too serious and and want to treat people you know less than bless them and and you're not going to be able to treat human beings like that for long because there's going to be a reaction to that every time yeah they're going to burn down the precinct you know what i mean even you didn't even see that in the l.a riots no you didn't they took it one step further in minnesota no you didn't and i'm not i'm not really mad at it i'm not i'm not i'm not anti-police but i'm not i'm not mad at that particular uh action based on what's been happening i'm a love child my mama and daddy was in love when they made me yeah i want to see everybody happy yeah you know what i mean i want to see people get money and living their life but at the same time you can only push people but so far before you get a reaction and and people are human yeah you know what i'm saying it's not robots it's not like okay let me go think about my reaction to this [ __ ] just saying yep i feel you edie uh always a pleasure appreciate you coming through it's been a couple years now appreciate the camera on camera but off camera to top it up you know not a week or two passes with uh without us uh talking man that's all i appreciate it man all the best for you and your family mike wise man until next time yesterday peace

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