Eat fat and carbs (like this!) | Ep151

[Music] welcome to the dr gundry podcast so you know the south beach diet is one of the most iconic low-carb diet plans in the world i think it started in 2003 there about recently the creator of the south beach diet has enhanced this plan to be compatible with keto the popular rapid weight loss diet that forces the body to burn fats rather than carbohydrates so on this episode of the dr gundry podcast i'll speak with cardiologist diet expert and new york times best-selling author dr arthur agustin yeah actually he and i have a lot in common so dr anderson released his latest book the new keto friendly south beach diet in 2019 today we're going to discuss the truth about ketosis tactics for overcoming sugar addiction and the right way to slim down dr eggston welcome to the program great to be with you that's a country it's uh it's a real pleasure you know you you're a world-renowned cardiologist but your expertise goes far beyond coronary calcium scores which uh your name is synonymous with and thank you i guess for discovering all this what i mean okay so you're a guy who figured out coronary calcium scores what was your inspiration for developing the south beach diet i mean come on well it actually goes back to the calcium scores and with it we're able to see people at risk with plaque 20 30 years before they developed enough plaque or atherosclerosis to actually have a heart attack and the question was why did they have plaque and what we knew both from the framingham study in our experience was a lot did not have very high cholesterols and what i learned in the late 80s observing people on low carb diets really started by dr adkins was that getting rid of sugar and bad carbs was a good thing this was the late 80s we also had learned from dr reevan and i learned more locally it was dr ron goldberg the chief of diabetology at the time at the university of miami um to that pre-diabetes or metabolic syndrome or syndrome x was just reported and realizing that people could be developing heart disease before they had abnormal blood sugars to the point they were diagnosed as diabetes and he said look for it in my office people with high triglycerides low hdls high hemoglobin a1cs and i was seeing it all over in my practice in in people without very high cholesterol but with coronary plaque and so then you know well how can we re how can we reverse this um without just giving statins and we knew the conventional low-fat diet just did not work and was very frustrating and so while the the battle there was low fat versus low carb we took an approach of uh the right carbs and the right fats the good ones um and and it worked it worked very well although we think in retrospect there were a few errors we made at that time and with the explosion of medical science uh it was time to make some changes so um why do you think the original south beach diet became so popular what what clicked for people well it was um it was simple um and and it worked and besides it wasn't getting rid of all carbohydrates uh certain fruits and vegetables and we can discuss that in more detail um and certain fats were were good for you uh and actually we didn't there are some we've actually changed some classification some facts to be better than we thought and some to be even worse than we thought at the time um so the idea it was it was simpler and at that time we thought it was also uh more heart healthy as well so i'm glad you brought that up because um one of the things that even if you look at some of my original books and my more current books my my thinking changes with time and with new research here and yeah and you know and you and i both know that there are some diet recommend recommendations out there that haven't changed in 20 or 30 years uh even though you and i both know that the research has clearly changed in 20 or 30 years and i congratulate you uh on you know taking a stance that guess what i learned a few things and guess what there's some new research so this would be great for my listeners and viewers what did you what didn't you know with the original you know south beach diet that you know now and and give us some examples would be great one one is fat adaptation that on the low carb diets and we can talk what's keto friendly versus keto and intermittent fasting all of which are strategies we use um but when you stop burning you get you lower your starch stores your glycogen stores and your liver and muscle you have to burn fat and it takes time to get your enzymes up regulated activated so they burn fat efficiently and it takes more than two weeks so our first uh our first phase of our first diet was only two weeks now it's much longer and the reason is because as your your low carb for a longer period of time you learn how to how to burn fat more and more efficiently and the first time i was stripped for a longer time i came back from being away for uh six weeks i went back to my boxing training and i could not believe my endurance and so that was being on the diet the uh the the first phase of the diet for a longer period of period of time um another is uh is snacking that we originally thought that frequent snacks help stabilize insulin levels and you'd you'd miss that drop um what we realize now is the whole purpose of everything we're we're doing i mean they're you know it goes beyond that but but the big problem in the country is too much sugar creating high insulin levels um that get uh that gets sustained um and cause you to be hungry all the time and the more time every time you snack besides the direct effect of increasing blood sugar um and insulin levels you you actually amplify the the uh your insulin levels by what are called incretins in your small intestine particularly gip so if you have the same amount of calories in one serving uh you increase your insulin normally if they're carbohydrates um and then you get a bounce by activating insulin in your upper small in in intestine through this gip uh incredible hormone um and then uh but if you take the same amount of calories and you split it into six seven snacks and americans compared to the early 1970s we are grazing we're really eating all day and the number of snacks is so much more and that is keeping our insulin levels high and that's preventing us from burning fat and so we've switched from yeah have frequent snacks to snack as little as possible keep as much time in between meals as possible including on intermittent fasting give your insulin time to time to drop so that's another uh your major major change so uh so what what inspired you you know after these years of watching this diet in action to come out with you know the new keto friendly version of your diet uh were there patient examples that you know you found i know you and i both spend a lot of time looking at blood work in patients challenging them with different foods or different you know prescriptions of food what what brought this about well you know partly um it was understanding how primary insulin is in the in the problem and diagnosing uh your pre-diabetes even what i call pre-pre-diabetes because we're insulin-resistant years before we have abnormal uh blood sugars uh the whole thing was bringing down insulin levels and the three ways you can do it is with strict keto um where you that's that's severely a low carbohydrate less than usually 20 grams a day but our experience with the first phase of the south beach diet was it worked very very well it bring down insulin levels uh reversing insulin resistance and uh but depending when we want to be aggressive uh as like the the virta group is in indiana uh where you with the advantage of keto is you can measure if you're in ketosis or not so patients who like measurements and where we don't necessarily trust them that they're eating what they're saying they are you you get the feedback but as far as the physiology um things like what's called the keto flu uh all the other things we've observed decrease uh joint pains uh you know better better digestion uh lack of uh of reflux we see that all with what we call keto friendly not being quite as aggressive and so that that gives us a little bit more compliance and then the third part was the intermittent fasting and it's really our experience with patients so depending on the the particular patient and their desires we use different approaches just a couple weeks ago a very good friend of mine who happens to be um i say he's my worst patient very non-compliant he's a laura he says i'm his worst client so we have that but he he's a gourmet he's always traveling i just could never get him to do what i wanted and i said but sometimes it's sort of all or nothing for his personality so we said we're gonna put you on a several day fast we don't we we always think you need uh careful medical supervision when this is this is done so you don't lose too many electrolytes and other problems so we did it and he was not by us we don't give type 2 diabetics insulin in general but he was on um on insulin um we got rid of his insulin in a few days his blood sugars returned completely to normal within a week um he lost within two weeks about 15 pounds some of that early weight loss is fluid and a battle of keeping patients hydrated came up with him um but he's feeling so good people tell him how good he looks that this was the right strategy for him so depending uh not so much that science doesn't change it's three strategies keto keto friendly and compressed feeding or intermittent fasting uh we it's particularly on the patient that we make the decision and sometimes we use all three strategies uh and it is it is all keto friendly but you don't have to be in ketosis actually to get the benefits i think that's a great uh place to ask so what the what the heck is keto friendly versus a ketogenic diet i think my listeners hear the word friendly and you know they're they're ready to go so what's keto friendly that's not necessarily putting somebody in ketosis well in our experience being in ketosis is where you're strictly avoiding carbs that you're primarily burning fat and fat turns to ketones and there are positive things that we know about ketones particularly um certainly if you have seizure disorders it's been used uh you know for generations and kids and we think um for alzheimer's neurodegenerative disease there are advantages for actually being in ketosis but for weight loss improving your insulin levels uh getting rid of belly fat you you are you're making ketones but they're being cleared and you can't always you can't always measure them and so keto friendly is when you're a little bit less strict say between 20 and and uh 50 grams of of carbohydrate by the way you know i don't measure my carbs i sort of know the the way i feel um but so so you're not quite as strict sometimes you start people on clear keto again if they want the quickest positive uh responses uh but so it's not being it is strict and we think you get all the advantages the exceptions is in some uh neuro diseases where possibly even exogenous ketones um may give you uh may give you an advantage but most people can lower their insulin levels get rid of their belly fat um do extremely well without being in full in full ketosis and the other part that's the same with intermittent fasting um with our patient i mentioned we it was all or nothing uh we did the prolonged fast he was certainly in ketosis he liked measuring it but we were using it much more for compliance rather than you couldn't get almost the same physiologic effects so the one time where there may be other advantages of of being in full ketosis as well but particularly in in the areas of uh neurologic problems uh where you really do want to be in ketosis what do you say to somebody that the ketogenic diet is just the latest craze that um that everyone's hopping on including the south beach diet sure well i i think the craze was the low fat diet because uh low carb you know newborn babies are are in ketosis and um low carb uh really has been around from the late 1800s and was used for type 1 n type um adult onset diabetes was it was called and it was until really some horrible research by dr ansel keys and the seven country studies that led us astray and it took non-physicians uh dr gary taubes and nina tayshaws who really uh did the deep dive into the politics and how this really bad science evolved um and what's clearly happened uh to the country was we got fatter and sicker really two things happened the low diet the low fat craze and every cardiologist knew that low fat didn't work um and you know you can be on a healthy low-fat diet but it's it's much tougher so when the food industries were told get the fat out and the food tasted like cardboard how did they make it tasty well that was a time when high fructose corn syrup came in and it was less expensive and it was hidden in so many foods it's not that it's worse or so much worse than regular table sugar is that it was hidden and so with in 1980s exactly the same time that the first national diet recommendations said get the fat out our sugar intake went way up and that's when the country became fatter sicker and diabetic and so the challenge is to say why we should be low fat not why we should be low carb and it was years uh we did a small clinical trial early on with south beach uh but actually it was a very impressive uh faculty that we we had uh as co-authors on that paper um but we showed what everybody showed with the low carb diet you quickly decrease your triglycerides you increase your hdl and we were measuring size of ldl particles and we documented that the ldl particle size got larger often causing a little jump in total um ldl cholesterol we know a lot more about that but that was a small clinical trials but now there have been many other larger clinical trials much better than the low fat trials so the scientific um evidence with clinical trials uh strongly supports everything uh that that work that we're doing and that we're recommending so are there are there any myths uh about the keto diet that that you you see perpetuated that you just wish people knew sure and true yeah the most important um myth is that if you have saturated fat um it will increase your cholesterol and your bad so-called bad cholesterol ldl cholesterol and cause heart disease there are other things about you know causing kidney stones and gallstones which sort of a little bit separate but but the big thing is i had the higher saturated fat more meat and my cholesterol went up and we know and this is relatively recent that dairy saturated fat meets saturated fat it can increase your total in your ldl cholesterol it turns out total cholesterol is just a cirrica a cirrhot for for total ldl cholesterol which is surrogate for small ldl cholesterol it's only small ldl cholesterol which comes from too much sugar turning into fat in our liver i mean we really know what's gone on that's the dangerous fat and there are a lot of clinical trials from the eric trial the mesa trial uh the quebec heart study showing that when you increase your saturated fat intake you increase your total and large ldl but not your small ldl so we've really figured out um why people uh demonized saturated fat and we said limited we didn't know when when we did the original uh south beach side but now there's there's enough enough knowledge um that you that as long as you break down you're increasing large um ldl and not small ldl it's safe always we say check with your doctor there are certain times when large ldl can be dangerous uh the same times sometimes high hdl so the so-called good cholesterol can be dangerous that a little bit more of a sophisticated so we're not saying everybody but the main metabolic problem in this country is diabetes pre-diabetes and insulin resistance or pre-pre-diabetes and your triglycerides go up your hdl goes down and you're making small particles years before your blood sugar will be um will be abnormal but you're already piling fat into your liver you have a fatty liver fatty pancreas the belly fat that we can uh that we can all see and fat in your coronary arteries that we see with coronary calcium so that's the main metabolic problem in the country and you don't have to be obese to have this metabolic problem a lot of people we call them tofu that on the outside fat on the inside for all the world it's people who don't think they're overweight they just have a little belly if you have a belly you have fat in your liver you're generally eating much too much sugar and bad carbohydrates and that's the cause of the problem unless you do the proper testing uh you're not going to know it so in this book you talk a lot about sugar addiction and our our friend david perlmarter in his fifth uh year edition of grain brain makes the point that uh it was sugar that was the problem uh not so much just you know grain but the way we eat grains it's sugar but uh what convinced you that you know sugar is as evil as it appears to be well i can tell you the story that's in the book and it's a true story um and yes i'm a cardiologist diet doctor and the whole thing started frankly when i was in my 40s i was always very thin considered myself an athlete and while i was posting about some athletic exploit uh with our cardiology fellows one started laughing and i said what are you laughing at he said look at your belly and i had gradually become insulin resistant i always loved sugar and that's how i really started the original south beach diet but um when i would go from our first to our second phase and began to cheat i would i would overdo it to the point um my wife would tell me author no tv for you uh you can only go on radio where they can't see your belly and um and it was uh the summer of 2018 i was reading uh robert lustig's book uh the hacking of the american mind and i was learning that sugar is not a lack of discipline it's it's being a it's an addiction just like cigarettes alcohol video games uh vaping we can say today um and it was around the same time we were on vacation with the family uh we had a very healthy um like salmon and broccoli dinner um we can talk about the veggies with you later but what we thought were healthy anyway and for dessert um a blueberry pie from the local farm stand and i started inhaling the blueberry pie one of my favorites my wife said you know author uh slow down one of my sons said come on dad and so i said okay i'll stop whenever be cleared out of the dining area i snuck into the kitchen i finished the entire blueberry pie telling myself their blueberries their antioxidants they're good for you and reading the lustig book i find i realized right then that what i considered was my lack of discipline and cheating uh at times was truly an addiction just with that knowledge and i realized it was going to take longer than two weeks to get rid of that addiction i could always get rid of my cravings on the first phase of the south beach diet but i would cheat with fruit or sugar or something and they would come back um once i stayed off the sugar and and stayed longer because i also realized i had to get fat adapted so with a longer phase one i was feeling so good that it's well over um i you know a year and a half i feel so good i will not go back and it's not that i've i've had the wrong food the last time was it was over thanksgiving and i i cheated and i finished um you know a whole chocolate cake um and but but i went right back because i know how much better i feel and i'm convinced how healthy it is and so i have sustained and also i know that if i have that blueberry pie i'm going to finish the thing and not everybody has that degree of sugar addiction but so much sugar is being snuck into our diets it's quantified we know again a lot because so much packaged food has high fructose corn syrup and in particular our kids are getting addicted um to sugar just like they are to video games um and now so much the kids with vaping you know what what a disaster um and so when we teach patients about it and not everybody with carbohydrate problems are addicted but many are and so when you explain it to them and then it's much easier to help them get rid of the of the addiction part of it longer first phase but then you're recognizing what's going on yeah i think that's uh my my first book one of my favorite sayings was give fruit the boot and i you know i've been generally attacked as being you know anti-fruit and everybody knows how good fruit is for you and so many of the vegetables that we consider vegetables are not vegetables at all they are fruits some of our most beloved and i've seen the same thing that you've seen the uh fruit fructose is as you and i know it's converted into triglycerides in the liver or uric acid yes and there's actually an increasing amount of evidence that fructose is a mitochondrial toxin absolutely poisonous yes and you know we we take it to the liver to get you know get it repackaged yes and when when i'm treating my patients my my goal is to get their triglycerides to at least equal their hdl and preferably their hdl higher than triglycerides and i i i personally feel the guidelines for where triglycerides are if you say 150 triglycerides is normal i haven't met a human being that hadn't been put on a statin to get that ldl down um yeah i i couldn't agree with you more and what i tell patients and i have it actually in the book the idea have more fruits and vegetables and you know the non-starchy vegetables we can talk more about but um we allow those the thing about fruit was fruit was meant to be around to ripen um in the fall so you you were insulin resistant uh you know grizzly bears i have the example in the book um their insulin levels go up normally late summer and fall the fruit ripens they're voracious and their insulin levels are going up so while there they gained hundreds of pounds of fat the insulin level is blocking the access to the the fat and so when we're having fruits year-round um x number of servings we see patients getting into trouble particularly diabetics pre-diabetics but even pre-pre-diabetics my best example was a patient in south florida all of a sudden their blood sugar went off the wall and were saying is there an infection did you go on the vacation you cheated what happened took us a while to find out here in south florida his mango trees became ripen in the fall and he loves mangoes and so here's a fruit that absolutely destroyed his blood sugar and we see that with patients they they have high insulin levels um there they have clear blood sugar insulin problems and they say i'm not eating food fruit well what do you have um for breakfast well uh a big thing of cantaloupe and pineapples and mangoes and berries also and so um so we're in complete agreement um on on the fruit you know some times of the year in in moderation and depending on an individual's uh you know genetic predispositions but a lot of people get into trouble because they think fruit is healthy for everybody yeah and unfortunately you know our fruit has been hybridized for sugar content yeah i mean i can go to the santa barbara farmer's market and get organic blueberries that are the size of grapes and that has nothing to do with you know the blueberries that you and i ate growing up yes and you know and apples i mean even the names of apples like honey crisp hmm you wonder what that's going to taste like yeah the um no i always we talk about the amount of you know sort of fiber in in the skin uh versus the pulp and that we've been uh hybrid hybridizing our our fruit and everything for years um that they have more and more sugar and less and less fiber and the heirloom tomatoes heirloom blueberries were not like the ones we're having today so it's almost like high fructose corn syrup there's more and more of the fructose being uh that we're consuming um and that's that's a major problem i know a lot of times people uh think of a ketogenic diet as a high animal protein high animal fat diet and i think that's as a general rule a good conception of what these diets are what do you think about a ketogenic plant-based diet is there any room for that um i i think um you know well let me put my i think you can be a healthy vegan i think it's very very hard um and i just talked about the um there's a french paradox they have all the dairy all you know saturated fat no coronary disease and then they talk about well what about asians um who are eating rice and they they they certainly have some meat um but they don't have uh they don't have the diabetes they didn't i mean um their rate of diabetes is is is off the charts but the fact is if you're having um sort of a long grain rice that's slowly uh that's uh that's slowly absorbed it's it's stimulating the good incretins that don't amplify uh your insulin levels and they're having traditionally one or two meals a day they have plenty of time for their insulin levels to drop and so you you you can be healthy um you know on you know the non-classic uh keto high saturated fat diet but first of all i don't think there's anything wrong with the fat you know america in colonial times was very high in fat and of course it was grass-fed it was different than uh that we have today and we don't know enough about you know sometimes the way things are produced today in factory farms it's a relatively short period um so we're not we're not sure about um about all that but the colonial times it was very high fat very high um animal fat and nobody was getting heart attacks or strokes there was not high blood pressure um and that's because we didn't have sugar uh really it was the late 1800s and 1900s the sugar plantations where our per capita sugar went up the bad fats the vegetable oils or seed oils hydrogenated first i think they're just as bad now um they're artificial and and now at the same time um it was blended tobacco for cigarettes and the first pack of camels i think came out in 1915 they sent it to all our troops and so we were able to inhale tobacco for the first time so to me there was bad fats um more and more sugar and processed uh carbohydrates and foods in general um and and the tobacco all came at the same time um to me sugar is the number the number one um problem uh to be that should be demonized although obviously we don't want a smoking population and i think that the vegetable oils uh you're really you're really experimenting with your your health it's an experiment i wouldn't volunteer for is it what do you think about always staying in ketosis or should we break ketosis um i i don't know um you know as far as long-term studies i will say one of the other myths and and this is a problem we we saw back to the early days of south beach and was now called the keto flu and we have this experience when somebody is doing very well on the diet and they sometimes call and they say i had to get off the diet i was i i was so weak and tired so i got myself a big load of bad carbohydrates it's not hypoglycemia it's it's it's dehydration and so when you're low carb either low carb friendly or keto first of all you're initially getting rid of your carbohydrate stores in the form of glycogen which is stored with a lot of water so you're losing water that way and when your insulin levels are coming down you're reabsorbing less salt and i'm convinced that what we've always called essential hypertension we didn't know the cause is high salt levels high high well true high salt levels due to high insulin levels the re-obser absorption so the number of times and somebody comes we have they're weak and even though we always warn them it still happens in fact it help happens to me on the days when i exercise heavily even though i'm having fluids and then showering running into the office if i'm not careful with my fluids and salt intake all of a sudden i'm dizzy ready to pass out it goes very quickly with fluids but what i tell them if you got weak and dizzy that's a very good sign it means the diet's working you're getting dehydrated your insulin level is dropping and if you keep up with your fluids and salt you will be absolutely fine and that's turned out to be true i'm still amazed and i run into um i had a trainer uh during a vacation he said and he's like mr america and he said boy i've been feeling so weak lately and i said he's it was it was a summer it was hot he's working out um so what are you doing with your your salt intake i know he knows he's supposed to have fluids he said oh no no i don't have any salt this is another big you know myth and he thought oh you know i'm the diet that the cardiologist is going to tell me oh no no i'm i'm not having salt i'm being you know i'm being good i said start your salt the guy his weakness went away in no time and there are a lot of people walking around if they're on a good diet even though they're generally feeling well they're a little weak they're when they're consuming less food they're also getting less fluid that way so keeping up with salt and fluid and the idea that we should all be on a low salt diet and here i'll differ talk to your physicians or people who are salt sensitive but um we know some new england journal uh 2014 and 2016. the big on the the pure study um that there's much higher mortality on severely low salt diets than on higher salt diets so you know high salt if you're having a fast food diet that's too much salt and too much fast food but not everybody if you're on a healthy diet you don't have to be low salt extra salt will be excreted near urine yeah i think that's such an important point and you know this is this is a news flash for my listeners probably hopefully not from my listeners but we have a distinguished cardiologist who says if you're doing a keto program get your salt intake up and i couldn't agree with you more we ex we dramatically excrete sodium chloride uh when we're in ketosis and i you know i'll when i do my ketogenic times i'll you're hearing it here i'll go lick about a half a teaspoon of salt every night and you know my wife said what are you doing i said i'm salt loading you know leave me alone but you're right uh we just uh that's one of the biggest mistakes i think of a ketogenic diet is yeah this is well researched yep yeah and you know one of my colleagues also gets uh gets sort of frequent migraines and by having salt and fluid um most of them are resolved and again when i come in after exercising hard and forgetting to drink and have that that salt lick i will get everything from scotoma the beginning of a migraine uh not much of a headache um i've had double vision um and you know from exercise dehydration it resolves immediately when i get my fluid and salt intake up um so this is from personal experience endless experience with our patients and even though we warn them uh it it happens and again i say you're weak you're tired that's a really good sign and what it's a good sign i'm weak no i need sugar you don't need sugar you need fluids it means you've lowered your insulin level you're following the diet and you will do great on it very good well dr agustin it's been great having you on this episode of true confessions uh you mean you've been recording this it's going to the public oh my goodness sorry sorry so how how do people find you find the new keto friendly south beach diet uh because people people know about you but how do they find you um it's you know naturally you know amazon and all the other popular places where books are sold and and we have south beach diet.com uh for information as well all right great well this is going to be really useful for to a lot of folks and you've debunked a lot of great myths and uh and thank you for sharing your personal stories because i do the same thing and uh this is partially how we learn by experimenting on ourselves as well as inviting our patients to experiment with us and i think i think for for both of us as getting more senior we've lost some of our filter at this point if we can help people we we say it but thanks this has been a real pleasure for me enjoyed it it's great and uh hopefully we'll have you back on uh in the future and we'll keep digging into this because we we got to talk about lectins and that's a whole nother uh yeah no i would love to i've been learning about lectins and uh very interesting all right thanks a lot thank you so now we've got a audience question david m wrote in and asked in your podcast with david sinclair you discussed taking activated charcoal to help detoxify the heavy metals out of your system when fasting i do time restricted eating and eat in a six to eight hour window when should i be taking the activated charcoal during the last meal prior to fasting well so one of the things that we've talked about and i've done videos on this is that one of the dangers of a modern water fast is that you and i are just filled with heavy metals petrochemicals pesticides herbicides that we actually hold in our fat and while they're in our fat like you know a fatty tuna or a fatty swordfish or a grouper down in dr agustin's neck of the woods they keep all those heavy metals and they're fat and they're swimming around they're strong as anything but when we dramatically start accessing our fat stores those heavy metals those toxins come out and they're taken to our liver our liver has phase 1 phase 2 detoxification enzymes but our liver has a horrible system of detoxifying heavy metals so liver in its wisdom puts those heavy metals into the bile and says well we're just going to squirt them into the small intestine and we won't worry about them the problem is we reabsorb those heavy metals so we have a circular pathway of never getting rid of many of these toxins chlorella and activated charcoal will bind with these heavy metals and then you will actually excrete them so what i recommend for people if you're going to do a water fast and i do them you got to be careful during that water fast and if you're going on an active aggressive weight reduction program buy whatever you want to me use like a keto friendly south beach diet then i think it's well worthwhile taking daily or multiple times a day activated charcoal and chlorella and as many of you know i have a product that does that that i won't mention the name uh so thanks for your question that's a that's a great question and that's the mechanism why you should do this okay thanks very much we'll see you next week on the dr gundry podcast before you go i just wanted to remind you that you can find the show on itunes google play stitcher or wherever you get your podcast because i'm dr gundry and i'm always looking out for you

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Published: Mon Apr 19 2021