Dr Jason Lisle Interview

welcome to the program ladies and gentlemen my name is justin peters i hope that you and your family are doing well today i want to thank you very much for joining me in this program and i am really looking forward to this it is my special privilege to have dr jason lyle on the program and i'm going to be interviewing him about the flat earth movement yes that is a thing uh and also here lately in the last several weeks ufos believe it or not have been very much in the news and i'm so i'm going to ask him about his impressions of that and what might really be going on but just as a brief introduction dr jason lyle is a christian astrophysicist and he is the founder of the biblical science institute he double majored in physics and astronomy he has both a masters and a phd in astrophysics at the university of colorado in boulder he's authored a number of books taking back astronomy star gazer's guide to the night sky the ultimate proof of creation discerning truth understanding genesis and also uh my most recent acquisition of one of his books is understanding faith in an age of reason in which he deals with 400 thereabouts uh alleged contradictions in the bible and he explains why they are not in fact a contradiction so it's a very very helpful book so dr lyle thank you very much for joining joining us it's an honor to have you well thanks happy to happy to be on yeah good deal well um jason if you would is it okay would you prefer to be called dr lyle or jason whatever you like okay all right all right well um doc by the way dear friends uh dr lyle came to our church a couple of years ago kootenai community church and did a conference for us and he is not only is he obviously very intelligent and very well read in his uh field but he's just a nice guy he really is very down to earth very accessible very nice guy and so it's a it's a pleasure to have him on so um dr lyle if you would give us a little bit about a little background uh to yourself uh specifically your testimony how you came to faith in christ and and where you attend church now okay i was uh fortunately i was saved when i was very young i'm grateful for that uh my parents uh it's interesting because i think my parents were not believers uh at the time that they got married and when i was on my way they decided they wanted their son to be raised in a in a moral setting so they began attending church and hey the lord saved them and and so then they raised me as a believer and they taught me the trust in the bible and even when i was young six or seven years old i i knew enough of the scriptures to know that i was a wicked center that i deserved death in hell that jesus is god and also man and that he he paid for my sins on the cross and if i repented and trusted him he'd save me and so i i asked the lord to save me at that point and to be lord of my life and i believe that's when i was saved i believe that's when the lord got ahold of me and of course my theology has improved over the years but that we're sinners and and we need salvation therefore uh so uh i have a very boring testimony and i'm very grateful for that because i have been able to avoid a lot of the the pitfalls that a lot of people uh encounter you know sometimes sometimes a lot of people have to hit rock bottom before they get saved and i'm just i'm grateful i was saved when i was young oh yeah okay and um where do you attend church now jason i uh so i'm here in colorado springs and i attend hope chapel of colorado springs it's a it's a wonderful church i i'm a member there i feel a privilege it's a small church but just great people there and great folks who love the lord and have good theology there's good preaching on this on sunday mornings which i appreciate and in fact they asked me to to fill in last sunday i preached the sermon there so it's honored to occasionally get to do that so uh really good church hope chapel colorado springs i highly recommend it if you're in the area okay excellent good deal and jason you are a young earth you believe you take a very literal interpretation of genesis uh as you should so young earth uh you don't believe in this uh theistic evolution kind of uh try to compromise the bible with what the prevailing view of of science is correct right and and i yeah i take that i take the bible the same way that my lord and savior jesus did he took genesis literal history and amen so the apostles and paul refers back to the first man adam and so on so yeah i take it the same way my lord my lord does i take genesis literal history it's written in that style i do have articles and books even my book understanding genesis which shows that if if we're going to get to the author's intention we really have to take genesis as literal history there's no doubt that that moses intended it to convey historical truth it's just the way that it's that it's written so um i would reject the idea that it's an allegory or parable or whatever that does not fit the context yes indeed all right well jason the two primary issues i'd like to talk to you about today flat earth and the latest kind of uh interest in ufos believe it or not the flat earth view is a thing i i am just amazed that we you know we're living in a day and age in which information has never been more readily accessible i mean a quick google search and you can come up with i mean just all kinds of information photos of earth and planets and all of that kind of stuff and yet there is uh almost counter-intuitively to me a resurgence in the belief that the earth is flat um how is this a thing and are you surprised this is a thing uh it is a little surprising it's disappointing to me it it shows an extreme lack of discernment in our society in general which frankly these days i know these days i'm no longer surprised when i first heard about it i thought there's no way that people can believe that do they not have any knowledge of astronomy because we've uh human beings have known that the world is spherical uh for thousands of years the greeks knew that before the time of christ when jesus was in his earthly ministry people already knew the world was around right the idea that that christopher columbus was out to prove that that's a myth people already knew the world was around at the time of columbus he just thought it'd be faster to go that way uh partly because he underestimated the size of the earth and also because of course they didn't know about the americas at that point right so columbus wasn't out to prove the world was round he just he was out to prove that it was faster to go the other way than to go what he thought would be the longer way he was wrong but i'm glad he made the trip uh yeah so it it uh it comes from a lack of discernment i think people don't realize the the good evidence that there is for a round earth uh the way the fact that the ancients were able to discover that the fact that the bible teaches that the world is round it does it doesn't it the bible's not an astronomy textbook but it does reference the roundness of the earth in a couple places in job 26 10 the bible poetically describes god inscribing a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness and that boundary between light and darkness is what we astronomers call the terminator that's where light stops on the earth it's where evening and morning are happening and the only way it can be a circle especially on waters because the earth's surface is mostly water 71 water the only way they can get circles if the earth's spherical any other shape it it'll it could be a circle maybe at one time but in other times it won't be so that's that's an example right there of uh job knowing something about the spherical nature of the earth and job we think was written around 2000 bc which is interesting because the secularists at that time were the ones that taught the flat earth it was those that were faithful to god who understood the shape of the earth apparently god had revealed that to them interestingly or maybe they figured out another way i don't know but in any case we knew that the jews did have some divine insight into these issues it wasn't until around 500 bc that pythagoras began arguing that the world was roughly spherical in shape and it's usually not considered until the time of aristotle so that's what 150 years 200 years later that the world is considered to have been proved to be round and one of the ways that aristotle proved it was by pointing out that in a lunar eclipse when the earth is between the sun and the moon the shadow that the earth casts on the moon is always a circle and it doesn't matter what the orientation is now if the earth were a flat disc that could only happen at midnight because that's the only time it would project as a circle right any other time if the moon's lower in in in the horizon then that means the earth would be closer it would cast an elliptical shadow and if it was edge on it it would cast just a line and i actually had the opportunity to confirm this just a couple days ago on on wednesday this past week we had a lunar eclipse and this particular eclipse happened right around the time of sunrise just a little before sunrise so the moon is setting in the west the sun's rising in the east which means i know i'm between the two because i can see the moons there the sun is gonna rise over there so i know i'm in between the two and also because the orientation of the earth it would have if it were a disc it would be edge-on which means the shadow it would have cast would have been a horizontal line and it wasn't it was a round shadow and i've got pictures to prove it that's just one example of many that that we know that the earth is round the way when ships come up over the sea they're uh the mast appears first and then the rest of the ship and so on and people knew that in ancient times and so aristotle argued that that was a good evidence that the world was round uh by the time of eroticians he actually was able to measure measure the size of the earth pretty accurately actually using light and shadows and so on so it's people have been clever for quite a while and they've been able to figure that out and so i think that most people who believe in a flat earth if not all of them are not aware of how these things came to be the fact that one the bible teaches the world's round two the scientific evidence for it how that was discovered it's it's it's not a recent idea the world's been known to be around for a very long time yeah well um speaking of what the bible says about around earth that that's i'm glad you brought that up because many of the flat earthers sadly and embarrassingly profess to base their belief on the bible they profess to be christians they say oh well the bible speaks of the four corners of the earth which that doesn't really help their argument any but they use the bible as their support so how what verses would they use to to try to uh support belief in a flat earth and and why is that erroneous the the verses that they use when when you read them you're like how does that even remotely support a flat earth the the one that you mentioned would be the one that uh i would think would be the go-to one because you could argue well four you know corners so it's but that would make it a square and you know what flat earthers don't believe that they believe it's this so they can't use that verse because if it's a disc it doesn't have court it doesn't literally have corners so that one's not going to work um i've heard them say well you know the bible talks about the surface of the earth and the surface is always flat i'm thinking no the hebrew word for surface uh pawnin it means it's the same as the word for your face my face is not flat in fact it's closer to a sphere than it is a flat surface so that doesn't work and in fact i dealt with a few of these actually wrote up an article a while back on our website biblical science institute and i analyzed the the first 10 or so biblical proofs of a flat earth and none of them made any sense um the only one that gets even close to it there is the there's the um vision that uh the king had that daniel had to interpret remember that where there's this um well there's more than one but there's one vision where there's a there's a um a mountain that it can be seen from all the earth and uh so so you know but well that's a vision though that's not meant to be taken as as literal um as literal narrative or or the other one that they'll try to use is they'll say well jesus uh when satan took him to a tall mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world but in one gospel it says in a moment in time indicating that this was was a vision it wasn't that he was literally seeing all the earth because they say well you know there's a mountain there for where you can see all the earth and then my question is if that's the case where is this mountain and why can't i see it right because if i mean if there's if there was literally a mountain there where you could see everywhere on earth then everywhere on earth should be able to see that mountain but you can't in the middle of kansas you don't see any mountains i see nothing so so that doesn't make any sense so i again there is no verse that says well you know the earth's flat or there are verses that talk about you know the pillars of the earth again in a kind of a poetic way but that doesn't make it flat that just means it's supported which of course it is the mantle supports the crust and so on so uh a lot of it it has to do with very bad iso jesus reading into the text based on your presuppositions rather than than than exegeting the text and seeing what the text has to say because there aren't any verses in scripture that really teach that's flat yeah exactly yeah and if the earth was flat theoretically all of us should be able to see mount everest yes it's the tallest point on earth and i should be able to walk out my front door and see it right i don't right and you don't that's right yeah and isn't it true that uh the stars that you and i see the constellations that you and i see gazing upward in the northern hemisphere is not what our friends down in australia or uh the tip of chile would see correct right right i mean some are the same if they're close to the celestial equator but the north star you can't see the north star from once you get significantly below the equator the north star's not exactly the north pole so you could see it on the equator at certain times and there's atmospheric refraction but once you get down to australia you cannot see the north star and the flat earth will say well no that that's because it's well it's too far away now because because they imagine the stars are relatively close to the earth i suppose but that won't work because you can see the constellations that that would point toward the north star you get a little bit south of the equator you can still see the big dipper you can use the two pointer stars in the big dipper and you can see that the north star is below the horizon and that that doesn't work on a flat earth you can't in in the current picture of the flat earth i and i should say that's what i'm that's what i'm doing when i when i refute their view i'm taking their current the current most accepted view among flat earthers which is that the earth is a flat disk and the sun and the moon rotate above that and the sun casts a shadow kind of like a cone on the surface of the earth and moves around like that and there's you can explain some things that way but not all things including the positions of the stars you cannot account for them in that model yeah you can't account for the seasons um right eclipses as you were talking about earlier it's just uh yeah i'm just um i'm just kind of amazed that we're even having this conversation i've uh not too infrequently uh i get emails from people calling me a false teacher because i'm one of those ball earthers they say you know you're a ball earther it's like well i guess yeah well yeah i am just as just as job was yeah just exactly well let's deal with a couple i've watched some of these videos and you can really get in some go down some rabbit holes with some of these flat earth but they're all over youtube globe busters is a flat earth youtube channel and i think it's got almost 63 000 subscribers and uh it's a pretty popular thing but a couple of their more popular arguments they'll say um they they say that if we were truly living on a on a sphere and this sphere is rotating it we the planet rotates at about a thousand miles per hour is that correct at the equator yep at the equator right and so they say if that were true then all of the lakes rivers and oceans would be flung off of the planet and they say and they have some experiments that they set up and they'll like take a tennis ball and they'll dip it in water and they'll spin the tennis ball and they'll show it in slow motion and you see the water spinning off of the tennis ball when it rotates really quickly and they say well the tennis ball isn't spinning anywhere near a thousand miles per hour and it's throwing the water off of it so if we were really rotating that quickly then everything would just be flung off of the planet into space so is that a valid argument that's a very uh bad analogy because it's it it reveals an ignorance of physics the the issue is not the velocity the issue is the acceleration you see in in one of one of the things that we understand now about physics is that an object in motion tends to remain in motion object at rest tends to remain at rest unless acted upon by an outside force and so in order to um now rotation is is a change in velocity because you're changing the direction and you're constantly doing that and so when when you're doing it with earth's oceans for example how long does it take to completely change the direction of the ocean from this way all the way around to that way it takes about 12 hours so if they were to do that accurately with their tennis ball it should they should put the water on it and take 12 hours to turn it okay because it's not the velocity it's the acceleration it's the the acceleration is what um causes the the water to change direction that's the key but the fact is i you know in an airplane i fly quite a bit you can if you drop a ball an airplane it doesn't go flying back because i'm moving at 600 miles per hour from my vantage point it goes straight down right now somebody watching the plane from outside would watch both me and the ball and they would say no the ball is following a parabolic trajectory but from my standpoint in the plane it seems to fall straight down as if as if i weren't moving at all but i know better i know that i am moving it's no different on the surface of the earth you drop something it doesn't go flying back it moves with the earth because an object in motion tends to stay in motion and so that's true of the lakes and the oceans that motion that motion is changed because they're accelerated and it's gravity that does that it's gravity that pulls them around keeps them fixed to the surface of the earth but if they really wanted to do a proper analogy they should take the tennis ball and turn it so that it makes a half a revolution in 12 hours and they would see the water does not go flying off yeah exactly all right one of their other favorite lines of argumentation is the bedford canal experiment and uh i don't have the gentleman's name in front of me but back in 1838 i believe uh this man in the united kingdom uh great britain got on the bedford uh canal i suppose or bedford river and he wanted to test whether or not the earth is really a sphere and so he he got one of his friends to get in a boat with a mast sticking up out of the boat a flag on it i think it was about three feet the flag was about three feet off the surface of the water and so he got in the canal with his telescope and this this canal is is in a straight line a number of miles long so this fella rode out six seven or eight miles and according to the the mathematics of it if he had really um if the earth was truly spherical after he had gone out six seven eight miles then the curvature of the earth should have completely hidden his little rowboat and the little flag uh and yet this man with his telescope could still see it could still see the boat and the flag even though he was he should have been hidden by the curvature of the earth so um is that one is that a valid argument for the flat earthers well it would be if it weren't for uh atmosphere that's that's a good idea that experiment's a good idea but we do need to keep in mind that light can be bent and we know that we if you if you stick your hand under water the reason your hand looks like it changes the angle like it's being bent sharply and you're wondering how how's my bone not broken is because when light transfers from the water to the air it changes its direction a little bit air can do that too we know this look down if you ever look down a road on a hot summer day and it looks like the road's dancing around the road's not really dancing around the air is is changing the path of the light very slightly and what will cause that is temperature differences temperature differences in air will bend light especially if it has to travel over a distance of you know a mile or so it gets bent a little bit so i'm i'm not opposed to the the bedford type experiments that's a good idea but the only time where you can be assured that the light is not being bent is if there's no temperature differences between the water and the air so you have to pick the right day to do that experiment and if you do it will work it will reveal that at a certain distance the the mast is no longer visible i've done um the equivalent of that experiment myself in kansas and this was a long time ago the first time we took a trip as a kid we took our trip out uh to colorado as we were going through kansas i figured how you know from my position in this car how far ahead in the road can i see because of the curvature of the earth and it's not very far in terms of seeing something that's on the road now something's sticking up then you can go further right but it's something like a mile and a half it's not very far and sure enough you can't once cars get beyond a certain distance you don't see them anymore because the curvature of the earth so i'm not opposed to that kind of experiment and it will reveal the roundness of the earth if you do it when the temperature is stable and that's something that danny faulconer's written about in his book uh falling flat where he talks about that experiment but it's it's so it's temperature differences that's that's so tricky that's not an experiment that i would recommend um there are there are better ones um i mean i live in colorado i can go to top of pike's peak and i can see a certain distance uh to the edge of colorado maybe even a little bit into kansas i can't see ohio and it's because of the curvature of the earth you can only see so far because of the curvature of the earth and that that experiment is not quite as dependent on temperature differences because the angle is uh is a bit steeper so but there are experiments you can do that are not sensitive to temperature and i i've listed some of those on in that article that i wrote on the biblical science institute website if you go to our website and do a search for for flat earth you'll find a couple articles and in the second one i wrote i i showed some experiments you can do to test the courage of the earth that do not depend on temperature okay okay i've not yet read that article but i'll put a link to it in the description below thanks yeah absolutely absolutely um and um and some people i don't mean to mock because some people i think are for whatever reason genuinely confused i had a gentleman uh that has emailed me a number of times and we've exchanged a few emails and he's he's really appreciative of of of my teaching of john macarthurs he listens to john mcarthur a lot and uh he's a he writes well i mean but he thinks the earth is flat and for some reason he's he's got a blind spot and he's fallen into this into this deception um even though i even pointed out to him speaking of john mcarthur a couple years ago at the truth matters conference jeff williams an astronaut jeff williams do you know him by the way i do yeah you do okay so i've got an autograph he sent me his book one time and autographed it so but i've had a number of conversations with jeff he's just a great guy yeah he is he is so he's been up in the international space station i think holds the record for the he did it got broken recently it got broken okay he was the uh american who'd spent the most time in space and then that recently uh a couple years ago got broken by somebody else but uh okay i was with him one month before that got broken i said how long until that gets broken he said next month oh really yeah but in fact i i actually had a conversation with him one time when he was on the space station we skyped and uh that was cool because he's floating there so i know he's not faking it so it's pretty neat well that's that's the thing and these people would say speaking of faking it that it's all faked the moon landing is faked nasa is is fake the the space shuttle one god that does flat earth videos he said it's it's just a big balloon basically it's like a bouncy house it it's not real it goes up but it doesn't go up into space and give us some some idea of the magnitude of the deception that people would have to that that nasa and all these other space agencies would have to force upon us to keep a secret like that i mean how would it just boggles my mind that that everything is is faked uh every person in every space agency would have to be in on this deception right yeah and and um you know i've uh jeff williams he took me on a personal tour of nasa in houston and it was one of the highlights of my life it was a blast and i got to meet all these these wonderful people you know these are these are not these are not demon possessed charlatans that are out the fullest these are people that are doing good science nasa is very transparent in terms of um you you can go and watch i've seen the space shuttle launch i've seen it go into space i've seen it go into orbit and cross over the horizon so i knew i mean i know it's in space it's in orbit i've seen it happen it was a night launch so to night launch you can watch it go all the way into orbit uh so i've seen that with my own eyes there's no doubt about that i've seen the uh i've been inside mission control the the uh jeff is one of the advantages of knowing an astronaut jeff was able to get us he was he and a few others of us were he was leading us around there we got to go inside mission control the astronauts were in their down time so they said okay we can come in and just kind of be quiet and it was really cool i got to see the old mission control where they did the uh the moon landing it's so they use a different uh building now or at least a different room anyway um the the funny thing is it's it's not technologically it wasn't technologically possible to fake it and what i mean by that is if you look at some of the movies that they've done where they've tried to put people on the moon it it looks pretty fake it looks pretty and one of the reasons is it is very hard to simulate one-sixth gravity especially in a large environment now they can do it on that plane that there's a plane that they can use to simulate zero g they can also simulate one sixth g by taking you know by taking the plane out and then diving but only lasts like 30 seconds or so and then they have to come out of it again to simulate 160 g on a sound stage you can't do it if you slow down the camera motion you can tell it looks like it slowed down camera motion i've seen that there's that old series uh space 1999 where that takes place on the moon and when they're outside they're you know they're fighting or something and they slow down the camera but you can tell because of the way other things move you can tell the camera's been slowed down and that's not it we didn't have the technology to fake it back then now we're very close to being able to do that now today the movies that come out like like today they're pretty close to being able to where they can build a complete environment all on computers and simulate 16g and it looks pretty real but back in the 60s they didn't have computers were slide rules back then i mean that was that was about the extent of it they had very primitive computers they couldn't do stuff like that back then or you know people say let's photoshop there was no photoshop back in in 16 in 69 so when you see the picture of earthrise that's that's what it looked like they didn't have computer technology where they could manipulate that today we can get pretty close back then not possible it so the the ironic thing is it's actually easier in 1960s it was actually easier to go there than it would be to fake it that's the bottom line that's ironic yeah i've also heard them say uh i think it's is it's a the allen radiation belts van allen the van helps van allen radiation balance they say that um back in the 60s we didn't have the kind of technology for an astronaut to safely pass through the van allen radiation belts that would have killed them i think some of them say we couldn't even do that today and they say there's proof that we really didn't go into orbit because the van allen radiation belts would have killed anybody that tried show me the math that's you know it's easy to make these outlandish claims you know well do you know how much radiation is the van allen belts uh no do you know how much radiation would be lethal well well no but i just don't think you could possibly survive the van allen belts well it seems to me if you have two unknowns you can't make any argument at all now i happen to know the amount of radiation in the van allen belts because that's something that's been measured it's been studied and when the astronauts went through the van allen belts they did get a little blast of radiation about the same as you as you get when you get an x-ray so if you've ever been x-rayed and you didn't die then that's that's evidence that you can pass through the evangelion belts uh you wouldn't want to spend your life in the bay now belt because that would build up over time but you know every time i go through an airport i get x-rayed and you know it it doesn't kill me you can get a little bit of radiation it doesn't kill you and we do know the amount of radiation that the van allen belts possess we know the amount of radiation that human beings can tolerate safely even in low earth orbit the astronauts jeff williams was telling me that there's certain places in the orbit where the magnetic field is weak on the earth and they won't let them do space walks when they're in that part of the orbit and also there's a there's a lifetime uh radiation limit where if you're getting close to that they'll say okay you can't go up anymore so that so that is something that nasa looks into but they actually unlike the the people who make the claims to the contrary they actually go through the numbers and say okay what is the quantity of radiation and how long till that builds up to an amount that would be dangerous so they've done those calculations ufos and i i have told i told you before we started officially uh recording here that ever since i was a little kid i've always had an interest in astronomy i've just been absolutely fascinated with the size of the universe the the galaxies i mean it's just the human mind cannot comprehend and um from time to time i'll talk to people that believe that there might be intelligent life out there somewhere the universe is so vast you know what's to say that god didn't make some um some other life and put it out there somewhere and and i've i've always told them and you can flesh this out much better than i even if there were aliens out there uh even if even if there were which there aren't i believe that theologically and uh scientifically but even if there were they would have no way to get here right so all right walk us through i sent you a couple of videos that have been on the news lately uh interviewing some fighter pilots and uh showing these uh recently released video footage of taken from some of these fighter jets about these unusual objects and according to the testimony given these things are doing things they are moving at speeds and angles and um in ways that we just absolutely cannot explain um pulling it's estimated six seven hundred g's what would be the equivalent to six or seven hundred g's which of course i don't think a human could even withstand more than 10 or 11. so and they're they say there's no means apparent means of propulsion there's no wings help us here what what do you think might be going on oh it's there's so many so many possibilities that it irritates me when people jump to aliens because first of all that that i don't think i agree i don't think there are extraterrestrial aliens out there there's some theological issues there right uh you know earth is very special in god's plan creation week god spends five days working the earth he takes one day makes everything else all the other plants in the universe are made one day on day four earth's made on day one it's it's unique it's special all the times that god creates life it's always on the earth either in the oceans or in the land or in the atmosphere and so uh the earth really is special yeah um what about various ufos and of course i we get all kinds i used to work in an observatory and we get we get calls in about 90 of the ufos that were reported or the planet venus when venus is low in the sky um because of atmospheric turbulence sometimes it'll look like it's moving around a little bit or it might go like that and is it you know just because of the way the atmosphere uh perturbs the image right and a lot of times it'll you'll get dispersion too and so forth like a little rainbow and now this is this this is physics that i've studied and so i know why that happens and when people call and i said no ma'am that that's just planet venus yes i know it looks like it's dancing it's because of the earth's atmosphere and so on and so forth so uh a lot of these ufos that people report and i'll grant they're a ufo to the person because they're unidentified to that person but if i were there it would i would be able to tell you what it is i've spent more time outside looking up than probably anybody else you know and i've never seen anything that didn't have a very logical explanation i've seen satellites i've seen i've seen a satellite reentry which was spectacular and that that would startle people because it's very bright and it's slow moving and it disappears at some point i've seen fireballs which are spectacular um yeah i saw one that was amazing it's bright green in the middle and an orange with material falling off was spectacular uh just um a few weeks ago about a month ago i was um uh i was doing an event somewhere and staying with a friend and as we pulled in it was night time he said jason what is that and i looked up and and there was a series of bright spots moving in a straight line now i'm sure that would start a lot a lot of people but i happen to be kind of a tech geek and i knew that that was the starlink project that elon musk had been launching these satellites because i'd already seen one earlier and it is spectacular it looks amazing and but if you don't know what it is to you it's a ufo to me it's it's the next uh internet service that i'm going to purchase once it once it gets in line apparently but right now i mean it looks when they first launched they form this streak of beautiful bright lights it's quite stunning and uh anyway so there's all kinds of stuff like that in space i've seen satellites i've seen satellites that are in formation and if you're if you had just a little bit of imagination you might connect to those and it would look like a triangle uh you know stuff like that there's man-made aircraft that are really strange looking uh very short minutes after you called me earlier this week because i live very close to the air force academy minutes after you called a b2 bomber flew over my apartment and of course if you've seen a b2 bomber i mean they they look like something from a sci-fi movie but they're not they're real they're a real airplane and it stands to reason that there are some uh airplanes that the military has not declassified and so if you saw one of those you might say oh i've never seen anything like that well now you have it so there's a lot of different possible explanations there the other thing too if you're looking through glass i immediately discount anything that you see anything because when you're looking through glass it is very easy to be fooled because glass we think of glass what it just all it does is provide a barrier but it the light just passes straight through it well no light gets bent a little bit by glass and light reflects off of glass and so i can imagine a scenario and i've i've seen scenarios like this wherever you're driving at night or somebody else is driving and i'm looking out the window and i'm looking at the stars because that's what i do and uh they take a turn and i'm looking at this bright fairly bright star i'm thinking that shouldn't be there and then the person turns the car and that spot immediately moves over you know over to here and then it stops again when they turn because it was a reflection of venus and because when the car turns the angle between venus and the windshield changes and so that it looks like it's moving you got to be real careful when you're looking through a window that you're not seeing something that actually is coming from behind you perhaps relatively close yeah perhaps venus but the change the change of the window causes it to to move in a peculiar fashion so that's just one example it's it's easy to fool the eyes and there are lots of different ways to do it and i think i i would imagine that a lot of these ufos are bad they're people they're even fighter jets they're looking through glass and one of their instruments a light from one of their instruments could reflect on that glass they could say something boy that's moving fast uh human beings are terrible at estimating velocity when um we're good at estimating certain other things distance if you're within 20 feet or so you can you can estimate that because of parallax but um whenever there's an automobile accident and they ask the different witnesses you know how fast oh those were they have been had to be going 50 miles an hour somebody else said no about 10 miles an hour we're terrible at estimating velocity especially if we don't know the distance to something and so they see this this thing out there and they say then it's stopped almost instantly and then went up like that it had been moving well if it was a fly it would have been like that and then you know that's not a problem they're assuming that they know the distance to it which we don't necessarily know the distance to it so there's all kinds of possibilities there and it's it's often frustrating for me because a lot of times the way it happens with me is somebody will come up to me and they'll say my friend saw such and such and they'll describe it now we're so many links away from reality at this point because i i didn't see it the guy who's telling me about it he didn't see it his friend allegedly saw it so we're already trusting two people which and perhaps they're trustworthy but you know the communication sometimes it breaks down a little bit there's the telephone effect and and then was this was this person looking through a window uh well i'm going to immediately discount it then were they on medication there's all there's all kinds of possibilities there but again most of them are just venus or very natural all kinds of natural phenomenon that if you don't know what they are they look peculiar uh atmospheric phenomenon i'm i'm aware of a lot of them because again that's something that i study it's something i find interesting there are you know they're mock sun sun dogs parhelia where they appear to the left and right of the sun bright spots look like a little rainbow and if the clouds are moving in the right way they can they can act strange or uh the the what are they called the upper tangent arc and so on and i've seen a lot of these atmospheric phenomena so there's all kinds of stuff out there like that the ones that are um well even the videos that i saw because i i watched the videos that you that you sent me to look at and uh there's one where it looks it looks pretty good but it's on a computer screen i can make anything appear on my computer screen so right there i i don't know that that's original it could be but i don't know that it's one possibility of many but it looks kind of like a flying saucer yeah but you know what if you overexpose something on ccd that's exactly what it'll look like and i know that because i've taken plenty of pictures of things and if you expose things it tends to bleed to the other lines it looks like a little flying saucer i've taken pictures of stars that look that way because they're overexposed so that's one of the artifacts that appears so these are just a few of the things that people will think are ufos and then there is the possibility of course that there are actual aircraft that are able to do some pretty spectacular things i i um there was actually a flying saucer that human beings built back in i think it was 1958 or 59 maybe so late 50s and it was built up it was built up in canada i think but it was for the u.s uh military they were going to use it to replace jeeps and also helicopters they thought that'd be kind of neat because then it's one person flying saucer and it worked and it doesn't fly very well but it did work yeah so and then as i was i was i was looking that up on the internet earlier today to try and refresh my memory on that i found another article about somebody had built a model flying saucer just because they thought that would be an interesting shape to try and this was and it worked and this was back in 1932 so my point is human beings have had the capacity to build flying saucers that work for almost a century now this is old technology and so it wouldn't surprise me if if people were doing that today you can get drones that are shaped like ufos and so there's no visible means of propulsion yeah they had they had the propeller really well and uh you know it so it looks like a flying saucer and you can you can purchase these so there's all kinds of different possibilities out there and i don't i'm not suggesting that anyone fits all the situations i'm suggesting that there are all these different situations and each one has its own explanation yeah so we don't with some of these we don't know exactly what they are but we know what they're not and and it just can't be alien life it's just it's impossible yeah it doesn't make any sense people don't understand the distances involved in space because right i mean we watch things like star trek and i'm a huge sci-fi fan i love science fiction but the real universe isn't that way it's just not that way the distances involved are enormous and the speed of light is a limiting parameter in terms of getting from there to here well we can we can develop warp speed no you can't uh technology allows us to use laws of physics technology never allows you to break laws of physics and so the light barrier is not like the sound barrier the sound barrier is not a physical there's nothing in the laws of physics that prevents something going faster than sound it just creates vibrations that are difficult to deal with and so humans eventually figured out how to deal with that but um the speed of light is is that's a that's a physical barrier that's not something you can you can beat and i have written a book on that topic on the physics of einstein if you want to learn more about that but so that that limits the it takes years to get from one start of the the next if you wanted to actually go there now from your point of view it wouldn't seem that long because of time dilation there's some weird effects that kick in due to the physics of einstein but it's very impractical to go somewhere else um it's it's more it's more practical to do science when it comes to astronomy outside of our solar system passively by improving telescopes rather than trying to improve engines because it would just take a long time to get there even the next near star um four light years away right it is 4.3 light years away in our our solar system you could put you could put all the planets in our solar system in a box that i think is six billion miles on the side okay so pretty big and we visited all the planets in our solar system people say well you know go to the next star the next star is 4 000 solar systems away you could fit 4 000 of our solar systems between our solar system and the next one space is really big and people don't appreciate that i think so that's that's an issue it's it's very very impractical star trek is fun but the real universe just it's just not that way yeah i like i like to watch star wars i'm maybe not probably what you would call a you know a super fan or whatever but i like it and uh so do i yeah yeah but you can't really do the castle run in 12 point whatever part 6 right yeah han solo i'm captain of the millennium falcon chewie here tells me you're looking for passage to the alderaan system yes indeed if it's a fast ship fast ship you've never heard of the millennium falcon should i have it's the ship that made the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs um are there other earth-like i keep hearing you know earth-like planets there's earth-like planets out there are there any of those to our knowledge and if there are how far away would the closest one be uh i would say no there are none that are known um the best we can do is get a planet that's about the same size as the earth one of the problems is with these other we now we now have detected planets orbiting other stars and people get upset because most of the methods by which we detect them are indirect so show me a photograph well i'm sorry but a lot of the things that are discovered in physics you can't you know you can't photograph a neutrino but we there's good evidence to exist um but actually some of these planets we've now photographed i actually have a uh a time-lapse animation of three or four planets orbiting another star it's so cool they're taking you know one over periods of time it's amazing so we can actually see other planets in other solar systems now most of them we can't see they've been detected indirectly i was able to find one actually using kepler data a number of years ago so it's kind of neat i was able to find one actually using kepler data a number of years ago so it's kind of neat but um there's no doubt that there are other planets out there about the best you can do is estimate their size and in some cases their mass okay and if they cross directly in front of their star and and that you think well that that would require the system to be a john yes it does so only a small fraction would be a john yes but there's a lot of systems out there so if you you hunt enough some of them are edge on and they've discovered thousands of planets this way that cross in front of their star and the star's brightness drops by a little bit and it goes back up when the planet is finished crossing and you can you can recognize that signature and that if you know the size of the star then and that that it is possible to know the size of the star spectroscopically you can tell what kind of star it is you can estimate the size you can then compute the size of the planet it tells you how big the planet is if you're able to get radial motion from the star the star wobbles as the planet orbits it that tells you how much mass the planet has and so that gives you an estimate of the density but that's it that's all we know about these extrasolar planets we know well we know their period but in terms of their physical properties we know how big they are and in some cases how massive they are that's it but we have no idea about i mean you can make a guess at temperature but temperatures tricky because the atmosphere of the planet will will change the surface temperature right the the earth's a little warmer than it would be if it had no atmosphere because you know there's a mild greenhouse effect which is not people complain about that it's a good thing you want a small greenhouse effect or the earth would be very very cold so um we don't know much about any other properties do they have liquid water on we don't know that we don't know any of any of that so in terms of other planets that we found that are about the size of the earth uh most of the ones we've discovered are much bigger than the earth and that's because they're easier to find the bigger it is it's easier it is to detect that's just a that's a selection bias but um in our own solar system we have a planet that's almost the same size as the earth venus venus is almost the same size as the earth and it's not a place you want to visit because the surface temperature is 900 degrees fahrenheit so it could melt lead uh the atmosphere has is um uh you know toxic and the clouds are made of sulfuric acid type compounds it's just nasty so you know when people talk about earth-like planets they form we found a planet that's the same size as the earth that's i want you to think venus because that that could very well be what it's like we haven't found anything that's that's like earth and if we did again the distance the distance would be enormous because the next nearest star is 4 000 solar systems away and we we've just we've got what four or five spacecraft that have just they're just a little bit outside our solar system the voyagers the pioneers and the horizons are just kind of outside the at least the planets so people don't understand how far away these things are exactly yeah exactly and we shot those off what in the mid 70s 76 or yeah yeah the voyagers i believe were 77 i think so maybe 76.77 yeah and pioneers were a decade earlier so yeah they've been flying for you know 45 years and they've just now made it outside of our solar system yeah you got 4 000 more of those to go to the next nearest star the next nearest star which does not have any earth-like planets around it right i mean i mean you just you can't you can't get there from here i mean you can even if they were out there it's there's no way yeah um and our galaxy the milky way galaxy is a hundred thousand roughly a hundred thousand light years in diameter it's probably a little yeah around there yes eighty thousand maybe a hundred thousand yeah yeah and we know that in diameter how many do we have any estimate of how many galaxies there are in the you know at least 100 billion at least 100 billion yeah and that comes from images like the hubble deep field where they they know how they count the number in this section of the sky and then extrapolate so there's at least 100 billion in the visible universe right one for each star in our own galaxy just to put that in perspective the human mind cannot comprehend such enormity but god calls them all by their names the bible says is that the truth yeah isn't that amazing what a great god we serve amen amen well well jason thank you so much for giving us your time today pleasure thanks for having me on yeah i appreciate it i'm very grateful i appreciate you appreciate you being so um you know just as i say you're you're a nice guy very down to earth very accessible and thanks and uh you make the complicated simple for for folks like us so thank you so much my pleasure thanks and um where can people find out more about you and and the work that you do um your website and some of your resources okay well i'm at the biblical science institute and the website is just biblicalscienceinstitute.com so it's that simple and then if they want to find out where i'm going because i do travel quite a bit now that some of the panic has released a little bit right um if you look down the lower left you can see where i'm going to be at in the next several months anyway we have videos on our website as well if you there's a videos tab lots of articles on the website and that's that's all free for you to enjoy we if you wanted to contribute to our ministry we you can there's a partner option you can do that and that gives you access to our forum where people can chat back and forth and discuss these things that's been i think that's been a blessing to the folks who have enjoyed that particular aspect of our ministry so uh yeah biblicalscienceinstitute.com check us out there all right good deal well thanks again jason and pleasure would love to have you back home sometime oh it'd be great yeah all right okay well dear ones thank you very much for watching i hope that this was an encouragement to you and um educational as it was for me so thank you very much and until our next time together may the grace of our lord jesus christ the love of god and the fellowship of his holy spirit be with you all

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Published: Wed Jun 02 2021